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Python-Based Server Lets Eye-Fi Users Skip Company's Software

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the suddenly-more-attractive dept.

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gollito writes "Coder Jeff Tchang has developed software written with python that allows users to download pictures from the Eye-Fi card rather than having to use the eye-fi manager software. Running the script at intervals would allow for real time updates to an online gallery." At least one user has responded to the release of this software by getting it (after a bit of tweaking) to run on Ubuntu Linux, and another says it works with BSD. I hope the people at Eye-Fi see this as a good thing, rather than reason for a knee-jerk cease-and-desist letter; when I asked about Linux support at the most recent CES, I was given a good-natured shrug and a reasonable hand-wave: approximately, "We just don't have the developer time for that when most of our users are on other platforms."

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Useful website (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27226235)

"Provide alternate content for browsers that do not support scripting" - I'm not too surprised their hardware doesn't support Linux.

No thanks.

What is eye-fi and why would I care? (5, Insightful)

guruevi (827432) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226307)

A memory card with Wi-Fi built in and bad driver support somebody wrote a Python script for. Other than being over expensive (both in pocket and on battery) and unnecessary for most high-end camera's (since they have it already built-in or aren't in range of any wi-fi when shooting) I don't see the need for it nor do I see many uses elsewhere.

This is Slashdot, the marketing and publicity channel of non-news for gadget freaks.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (5, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226459)

I shoot semi-pro photography. I do studio shots and 'tethering' is a PITA.

a wireless (a good one!) solution is needed.

however, this device aint it ;(

its sd-card only (pros tend to use CF cards). it does not support raw (why even bother then?). its slow and its gimmicky.

the idea is good but it needs a TRUE solution, not this ugly hack. good first POC though.

soon, though, cam companies will build in their own wi-fi, so this 'card stuff' has limited time before its irrelevant.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (2, Interesting)

The Phantom Mensch (52436) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226615)

Sure, the camera companies will build wi-fi in their cameras at some point. But do you want to buy a new $1000 camera body just to get one with a $25 wi-fi chipset built-in? That's how the camera companies will solve this problem.

Is the JPEG limitation in this a function of how the Eye-fi firmware works or something that can be fixed in the Python script?

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226811)

Sure, the camera companies will build wi-fi in their cameras at some point.

Personally, I'd much rather cameras have GPS instead of Wi-Fi, so that they can automatically fill in the EXIF location data for the photos.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (3, Informative)

corsec67 (627446) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227107)

Personally, I'd much rather cameras have GPS instead of Wi-Fi, so that they can automatically fill in the EXIF location data for the photos.

That would only work if your camera was on for long periods of time, and had a constant view of the sky. Plus I get the best reception when I leave my GPS on the dashboard of the vehicle I am in, and leaving a camera powered on the dashboard of a firetruck seems like a very bad idea, while my GPS can handle that no problems. Also, having a separate GPS lets me use it for multiple cameras, since I might not be able to get a GPS built into every kind of camera I want with me.

When I am taking pictures that I want to have the GPS data in the EXIF, I have a GPS running all day that I keep with me, and then at night I correlate the times from the pictures with the locations from the GPS using gpscorrelate [dview.net] . It takes in a GPX and a list of the pictures, so I can do all of the pictures I took all day and correlate them very quickly, even if they were taken with different cameras.

There is a compact camera with GPS, the Nikon P6000 [wikipedia.org] , but it has to lock on to the satellites when you turn it on, which can take a while, especially if reception is weak.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (2, Insightful)

Eponymous Bastard (1143615) | more than 5 years ago | (#27228451)

Then it sounds like you need a camera and GPS with bluetooth. They can talk to each other and fill in location data in real-time, and if you're in a studio or near your laptop, it can upload the pictures in the background.

You could even use it as a phone camera, or for videoconferencing, or whatever you want. Bluetooth is pretty standard for tethering like this.

Wifi is only useful if you want to upload directly to the internet. That's not always the best solution

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

corsec67 (627446) | more than 5 years ago | (#27228741)

Well, I don't *need* bluetooth on my camera, but you are right if all of my cameras and GPS had bluetooth, they could possibly say "where am I right now", and the GPS could respond.

That would be useful, but none of my cameras or my GPS have bluetooth.

I agree that Wifi is less useful than bluetooth could be.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (2, Informative)

Deanalator (806515) | more than 5 years ago | (#27230499)

iphones put GPS data in the exif data of any picture you take.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

singularity (2031) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227525)

I had considered wanting a camera with a GPS built-in, but there are so many times that it would not be worth it - any indoor shot, for example. Seems like a waste of upfront cost and battery life.

Instead I will use the GPS I already have, the camera I already have, and any one of a few different programs that will compare time stamps between the two devices and add the corresponding EXIF data automatically.

Right now I am using GPSPhotoLinker [earlyinnovations.com] for OS X.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

chappel (1069900) | more than 5 years ago | (#27228009)

Seems the real answer would be for cameras to start being made with a standardized accessory slot - like the mini-PC cards. You could then get a PC card gps, wifi, blue-tooth, 3g, extra memory, USB, SCSI, firewire (live video!), whatever - swap between camera bodies, even have a gps card with its own internal battery that could be left on with a good view of the sky then re-united with the camera at a convenient time to do the geo-tagging.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227861)

Personally, I'd much rather cameras have GPS instead of Wi-Fi, so that they can automatically fill in the EXIF location data for the photos.

Don't they already have this? [ricoh-usa.com]

What is the purpose? For hikers? Aren't they usually carrying around a GPS anyway? Is it to save having to match time stamps?

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 5 years ago | (#27230541)

Ricoh, and the few others I have seen, are doing it wrong: the bulky, almost-SLR high-end cameras are the ones that would benefit from this least. What really needs GPS are the relatively cheap point-and-shoots (like mine [canon.com] ) that are designed to be carried around everywhere, even when you don't have anything else. Camera phones would be okay too, except that they generally don't have a good enough user interface to get the shot when speed is of the essence.

Also, not having to match time stamps is a big deal, for me at least. It means only having to deal with one device (and one battery) instead of two, not having to spend time later, having the tagged pictures instantly available (in case I want to do something with them before I get home), etc. And it both maximizes accuracy (since the location reading is taken at the time of the shot there's no interpolation) and battery life (no readings are taken when not also taking a picture).

By the way, keep in mind that I'm not talking about some sort of hybrid device, where you'd be using the thing to navigate. I'm talking about adding the most bare-bones GPS functionality possible, where it just take a latitude and longitude (and maybe elevation, if possible) and sticks it in the picture's metadata. No routing, no UI, no maps, nothing else.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#27231017)

What's the use case? I don't think a snapshot camera would work the way you think, because there are limitations to GPS. For instance, keeping the thing off and in your pocket at the ready will not give you a GPS signal. It takes at least a few seconds and typically a few minutes to get satellite signals, and probably won't work at all in a city where you are likely to be playing the bit of tourist. I think GPS sort-of works in these bulky cameras because they are out in the clear and presumably on for longer periods of time, since anyone using such a camera is doing more serious photography.

The little clip-on GPS dongle that Sony sells updates every 15 seconds, so as long as you are on foot, your pics are likely to get tagged within the error of the GPS signal. And you can leave it on all the time without running down your camera battery. Syncing the GPS data to the photos is also quite easy, since there is software that will do it automatically for you. Some cameras can read GPS info from a separate GPS unit via Bluetooth.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

zuzulo (136299) | more than 5 years ago | (#27230463)

Surveyors, military, and police folks often find uses for kit like this. If you have the cash, it is not too difficult to find binocular devices with integral laser rangefinder, camera, gps, compass, etc. I have often thought that there would be high demand for a consumer grade version - automated location tagging and sizing features would seem fairly desirable. A quick survey of some of the current military devices can be found here [defense-update.com] .

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

Mr. Firewall (578517) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226981)

I shoot semi-pro photography. I do studio shots and 'tethering' is a PITA. a wireless (a good one!) solution is needed.

Dude. Get a Nikon [nikonusa.com] .

Their wireless remote solution is ridiculously expensive (as is everything with Nikon's name on it) but I've seen it in action and it works very well.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

aztektum (170569) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227211)

soon, though, cam companies will build in their own wi-fi, so this 'card stuff' has limited time before its irrelevant.

And we'll all throw the perfectly good cameras we own in the trash bin in order to upgrade?

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (2, Interesting)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227925)

And we'll all throw the perfectly good cameras we own in the trash bin in order to upgrade?

if you want new features that need hardware, yes.

with digicams, they are throw-away, so that's one case.

the other case is with slrs and here, the investment (long term) is lenses, not bodies. this isn't film and bodies are NOT long-term anymore. (leica is not quite thinking that, with their m8 body SO expensive and already uncompetitive since sensor and cpu tech advances but their body doesn't. not really.)

what I object to is having to trash lenses if the brand didn't think far enough ahead or introduced something short-term and fooled us into thinking it was not a mid-solution. case in point, contrast focus vs phase-detect (slr style) focus. with new movie-cam features in slrs, you need contrast focus and mirror flip-less focusing. older lenses didn't 'do this well' if at all. you have to REBUY your lenses to get this new feature.

hopefully this won't happen TOO often, but its more tolerable that we upgrade our bodies than our lenses.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27228317)

>pros tend to use CF cards

is there something better about CF cards, or is it just that most professional level cameras use CF cards? thx

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#27228973)

I believe the data transfer rate is (or can be) higher.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226479)

I agree. I have a 2GB SD card in my camera, and try as I may, I never managed to fill it up. That's why I never went to a bigger SDHC card, I just can't seem to top this one. I guess it could be somewhat useful for those who just have to upload their pics to Facebook or something.

Since I'm not on any social networking site, I am totally not the target for this device.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

stokessd (89903) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226599)

I have a couple 2gig cards and a Canon G7 camera. I thought I'd never fill those up. Then I went on vacation for two weeks in the strikingly beautiful Western Ireland region and without even trying hard I filled two of them up. I'm heading to Scotland this summer, and I'm going loaded for bear with dozens of gig of storage, like money or education, you can't have enough.

Back on topic, This card is a solution to a non-problem.

Sheldon

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 5 years ago | (#27228341)

I've always wanted to visit Scotland (but only after Iceland). I just came back from Thailand, and I didn't just go to the beach, but saw a lot of beautiful and colorful places, temples, palaces etc. We even filmed a dozen short videos with the camera (of me eating insects, for instance), but still, it was under 1GB. I guess we're satisfied with only 3 or 5 megapixel pics. Yours is, btw. a very nice camera, and makes 10 megapixel photos. And it's probably a pelasure to use, too, compared to our Olympus. Not that I need such a great camera, but I do envy the ISO 1600.

Though I find it utterly ridicolous that the PowerShot G7 comes with a 32MB card. Aww... c'mon Canon.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 5 years ago | (#27229325)

Back on topic, This card is a solution to a non-problem.

If you're trying to document misbehavior by police or other security personal, the kind of folks who will beat you and smash your camera, having some auto-upload capability is a very good idea.

Sousveillance [wearcam.org] makes corrupt officials nervous. Anything that enables it is a worthwhile technology. Hide a netbook nearby, have it relay images from eye-fi equipped camera to a server far away, and see bad cops caught in the act.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#27231089)

I find corrupt police officers always notify me well in advance. This enables me to select a hiding place for my netbook and to place it there at a time when nobody's watching.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 5 years ago | (#27231277)

I find corrupt police officers always notify me well in advance.

I don't, but I find that people attending political demonstrations and rallies where police malfeasance is likely, usually plan their attendance in advance.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (2, Interesting)

Smidge204 (605297) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226529)

I've known about the Eye-fi card for awhile. It strikes me as an interesting trinket but, as you said, not the most groundbreaking tech ever.

What interests me, especially with this recent development, is a potential use in something other than a camera. Cameras are not the only devices that use SD cards for storage, after all. With this script, though, it may be a simple way to hard-hack a wireless connection into some homebrew embedded device.

I'm still not clear if it can download data TO the card instead of just uploading to an external source... that would make it a lot more useful.
=Smidge=

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

guruevi (827432) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227303)

It seems this card only copies files that are already written on the card through some weird proprietary protocol. As I said, many camera's will soon have this or at least have an option to add it (Nikon already has it on some SLR's and I believe Canon has a consumer camera with it and the rest probably won't lag behind).

What WOULD be interesting instead of this unusable trinket would be a cf-card as you propose that makes whatever device have a wireless connection. It could stream whatever is written on it directly through an open protocol onto an image on another storage system and retrieve it the same way. Kinda like having it emulate the card but have the data (as an image) physically reside on the storage server (with a small 128MB local buffer). That way you could insert them in security camera's and the like that currently all have their individual hard drive and cards.

Your wish (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#27228985)

Granted [davespda.com] .

But this thing still is cool. If you can get gps and bidirectional communications in an SD form factor and 4GB storage as well, you're well on your way to some interesting rover applications.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#27229125)

Better yet would be two way communication so you could operate it by remote control from a computer. I was thinking security, not candid pr0n. Honest.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (0, Offtopic)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226539)

What is it that compels people like you to post?

The 2 ipod shuffle stories were full of this, as was the megapixel story, and the comments on the iphone 3.0 story were mostly unreadable from it. Now eye-fi.

What is it about a company offering a product that you can choose to either buy or not based on your own needs that generates so much emotion in you people? Why do you care what other people buy when those choices don't affect you?

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (5, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226625)

I think some people complain because they do want a product similar to the one being discussed, but the product has some particular flaw that screws it up. They're frustrated because they almost found exactly what they wanted, but failed.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

6Yankee (597075) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226903)

If it had been available in CF format, I'd have my credit card in my hand right now.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

james_shoemaker (12459) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227009)

You do know they make SD to CF adapters.

James

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27227479)

Like fuck they do.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

pelrun (25021) | more than 5 years ago | (#27228285)

Then how come I see a shitload of them on ebay, when I'm searching for eye-fi?

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

Aphoxema (1088507) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227671)

How would you fit that inside of an SD slot?

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

james_shoemaker (12459) | more than 5 years ago | (#27228553)

other way around, stick an SD in a CF slot.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

raynet (51803) | more than 5 years ago | (#27228809)

I would fit it by taking the SD-card from the SD-to-CF-card adapter and use it without the adapter in case I needed to put it in a SD slot.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

blueskies (525815) | more than 5 years ago | (#27230121)

You don't need to fit the adapter in a SD slot, because you wouldn't need the adapter. Eye-fi comes as SD.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

The Cisco Kid (31490) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227259)

I think you've hit the nail on the head, at least with me. At one point I was trying to find a way to be able to upload photos (over wifi or even wired ethernet) to a digital frame without having to physically go move SD cards around. (So the frame could stay in the folks living room)

I was looking at single board computers with USB (the frame's internal flash can me mounted like a USB disk) but ended up abandoning the idea. Then I happened to glance at one of these eye-fi cards at a best buy. I didn't look too closely at the time (I didnt buy it), but later on I did some more looking with the idea of maybe using it exactly like that - it seemed like it would exactly solve my problem - a wifi-connected SD card.

But then I released it was locked down to proprietary windows software that didn't even support copying *to* the card that only supported one use - copying pictures from a camera, and completely ignored and prevented any other possible use. So yes, it was "almost" exactly what I wanted, but due to no vision on the part of the maker, its flaws completely screwed my desired use of it.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

corsec67 (627446) | more than 5 years ago | (#27228103)

The way I do that is I got a Wifi-based picture frame. If this one [thinkgeek.com] comes back in stock, that might be what you want.

The one I got [amazon.com] is based on Windows CE and has a bunch of problems, and freezes often enough that I put it on a timer to reboot it daily. It also has a bug that can't handle titles that have quotes in them.

It reads a RSS feed for my photos, and updates them automatically. I have an album on Ipernity that I add pictures to, and a short while later they show up on the picture frame. The upside is that works from across the world, which is why I set that up.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#27229641)

based on Windows CE and has a bunch of problems

I think the second part was redundant there.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

cellurl (906920) | more than 5 years ago | (#27228321)

I think it is a wonderful product. It removes parts for any system which currently uses SD which is ba-jillions. Its the trifecta of savings, space, cost, power. I do hope they make it bi-directional. We are just waiting for the price to come down a bit. Its going to enable datalogging everywhere. -jim

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27226555)

My girlfriend has an IRiver MP3 player. She isn't technology savy. She doesn't have a computer. But, I would like to be able to add music to her player with out her having access to a computer.

The company she works for (a restaurant) has free Wi-Fi and would like to be able to change her music during the day.

I found the eye-fi and thought that it would be perfect but, as far as I know, it will only upload to a server and not download.

I would like for the eye-fi card to contact my home server and copy everything from a directory setup on my server. That way when she asks me for new music, I copy my .mp3 to that directory and when she goes to work, her IRiver gets updated.

Maybe this is a step in the right direction.

Nathan

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (2, Interesting)

fm6 (162816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227029)

Oh please. It's a perfectly good idea, even though EyeFi has kind of bungled the implementation. The fact that hackers are hacking it should tell you something.

The use case they talk about in the advertising is a pretty common one. A bunch of people get together for a big social event, like a wedding, and take lots of pictures. Everybody promises to share their pictures, but what with absent-mindedness and the hassle of uploading big jpegs, it never happens. Wouldn't it be nice if everybody could see the pictures right after they're taken, and grab the ones they like? Makes the event more fun, too.

My use case is more serious. I write technical documentation for computer hardware, and I sometimes have to take photos of said hardware for the illustrators to work from. I suck as a photographer, so it'd be really nice if pictures just got automatically transferred to my tablet so I check each one right after it's taken. If you have to plug in the camera or transfer the SD card, it's too inconvenient to check until you've accumulated a bunch of photos.

The flaw (as of when I tried it over a year ago; perhaps it's improved since) in that use case is that the stupid EyeFi can't interface with networks that require any kind of authentication. That leaves out secured networks, and also the typical hotspot, where, even if it's free, they generally make you go to the providers' web site at least once before they let you on the web. (The WiFi network where I work is unsecured, but you have to login with via the provider's web site before you can use it.) So basically, the thing is only useful if you provide your own access point. What's needed is a way to network it directly to your computer.

Hmm, run a router on my tablet? Have to think about it.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

mspohr (589790) | more than 5 years ago | (#27229607)

Authentication is a problem for these cards but there is a way around it. The Asus WL-330g is a very small portable access point that has a WiFi Cafe mode where it can connect (with authentication and other nonesense) to a WiFi access point and then offer an 'open' WiFi connection that the Eye-fi should be able to connect to...

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27230203)

I heard about that. Not a bad solution for the wedding scenario. Won't work for me, though, setting up a router (even a portable one) is almost as much hassle as just transferring the pics by sneakernet.

I've found some routing software that might run on my tablet. That would enable a direct camera-to-tablet connection. Add in this python software.... Have to give it try when I have the time.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

bendodge (998616) | more than 5 years ago | (#27229671)

It sounds like you need a Bluetooth version...

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27230251)

My thought exactly. There actually are bluetooth cameras, but they're high-end and cost more than I'm willing to spend. And there's no bluetooth equivalent of the EyeFi.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (2, Insightful)

Mr. Firewall (578517) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227163)

I don't see the need for it nor do I see many uses elsewhere.

Not a pro, eh?

Think event photography. For an example, think youth sports. You're shooting a game with an eye-fi card while an associate runs the laptop. Parents come up to your table and order prints, which your associate cranks out right there on the spot.

And while your associate is doing the dirty work (i.e., collecting filthy lucre), you just keep on shooting the game.

Need I say, "3. Profit!"?

It's very useful, to a wide range of pros. Of course, no pro in zir right mind is going to run Linux on that laptop, but there's no question how much money the card itself can make for you.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#27228683)

For an example, think youth sports. You're shooting a game with an eye-fi card while an associate runs the laptop. Parents come up to your table and order prints, which your associate cranks out right there on the spot.

While the game is ongoing? Wouldn't they be, like, watching it? I don't see a significant advantage over having several cards and swapping them around.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

Mr. Firewall (578517) | more than 5 years ago | (#27229543)

While the game is ongoing?

You must mean, "While the games are ongoing, don't you? And the answer is Yes.

Wouldn't they be, like, watching it?

Only when their own kid is playing. The rest of the day is spent walking around bored, chatting with neighbors, and waiting for the kid's next event.

I don't see a significant advantage over having several cards and swapping them around.

Never shot one of these events, have you? When you've got four or more soccer matches / softball games going on at the same time, or a hundred Taekwondo / Karate / wrestling matches, or a wedding reception -- you don't exactly have time to keep running over to your table to change cards....

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#27230911)

You must mean, "While the games are ongoing, don't you?

Do I? You originally wrote "You're shooting a game". Make your fucking mind up, if you have one.

Never shot one of these events, have you?

Neither have you. Srsly, hundreds of bouts simultaneously?

or a wedding reception -- you don't exactly have time to keep running over to your table to change cards....

Odd how they manged before, isn't it? Maybe they have pockets, or something.

When does the retouching and other post processing occur in this instant print scenario? Bullshit.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27230047)

fyi, Python also works with M$ Windows.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (1)

Sleepy (4551) | more than 5 years ago | (#27228381)

Slashdot is News For Nerds.

Is it nerdy to add wifi-to a consumer camera?
Is it nerdy to adapt this to Linux, where zero support existed before?

Yes.

Is this a case of stealth marketing/publicity abuse? Could be, but I doubt it. I have one of these devices (purchased for my wife), and I loathed that it had to run Windows because I don't.

  Now I can look at this script, and look at customization.. rather than copying my photos off her PC, I could setup a second upload point on my laptop which only gets enabled when her MAC address is offline. That'd be a lot easier than re-configuring the card for a new PC (it supports only 1 PC I understand).

I don't see a lot of marketing abuse here. I do see editor abuse sometimes (publishing a story from a buddy when someone else submitted it first). But that's another story.

Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27229687)

This is Slashdot, the marketing and publicity channel of non-news for gadget freaks.

Well yea, and that's news????

That name is so 2008... (5, Funny)

orkybash (1013349) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226359)

Gotta get it changed to Yfy.

Re:That name is so 2008... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27226447)

Atleast that doesn't sound like an STD.

Re:That name is so 2008... (2, Funny)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227043)

I think Yfying is something completely different from the discussed device and most people prefer to bleach their eyes should they accidently encounter it.

Re:That name is so 2008... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27227415)

Gotta get it changed to Yfy.

I get the feeling the only reason the topic is there at all is so that someone would say that.
Good job! Gave me a 'lil chuckle!

Re:That name is so 2008... (1)

MadMidnightBomber (894759) | more than 5 years ago | (#27229525)

ITYM WhyFi

Re:That name is so 2008... (1)

DieByWire (744043) | more than 5 years ago | (#27230873)

Gotta get it changed to Yfy.

Or PyFy. Or YFy.py.

Shoulda gone into marketing.... yeah, that's it. Marketing. I've got what it takes.

DCMA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27226519)

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has developed a software (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27226551)

You sound like every Indian software developer I've ever met. The word software does not require, and should not have, an indefinite article before it.

Re:has developed a software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27226869)

Unless it's being used as a loan. Like 'Die Software'. This is scientifically how language 'organically' develops, i.e. by fringe usage becoming conventional. Twat.

Re:has developed a software (2, Informative)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227255)

Hey, speakinh of twats, why not read the OP more closely?

He specified the use of an indefinite article. "Die" is a definite article. Even in German, one would not use "Eine software".

Re:has developed a software (-1, Troll)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226877)

The word software does not require, and should not have, an indefinite article before it.

So, you'd prefer a sentence like "John is software developer" to "John is a software developer?" Where'd you learn to speak English?

Re:has developed a software (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27226979)

In a place that recognizes that there's a difference between his use of the word software and your use of the word software that makes using the article wrong in one case and right in the other.

Re:has developed a software (1)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227299)

Yeah, I know. I was using software as part of a noun phrase where it can take an indefinite article, unlike the OP where he was using the bare noun where it can't. I was just picking on the overly broad statement of the issue.

It's an interesting word, actually - many non-count nouns can be used with an indefinite article, but only in the context of a generic class, e.g., "Beef is a meat that's very popular in Brazil," or "Evian is a water that's bottled in France." However true it might be, I don't think you could say something like "Oracle is a software that costs far too much for what it does," and have it be grammatically acceptable to (most?) native speakers of English. I'd be curious if that is possible for any native speakers, though.

Re:has developed a software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27227013)

That depends. Does John ever get around to writing a second piece of software, or is software always singular for him?

Re:has developed a software (1)

idontgno (624372) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227089)

Well, to be pedantic (and who can resist an opportunity like that?), the indefinite article indicates the object noun "developer", not "software" (which is just an adjective in your example).

"A developer." "What kind of developer?" "A software developer." (Or, "A stupid developer", or "A very drunken developer", or even "A developer who is wasting productive work time discussing English grammar on /.")

Re:has developed a software (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227345)

So, you'd prefer a sentence like "John is software developer" to "John is a software developer?" Where'd you learn to speak English?

"Software" is not being used as a noun in your example. "Software" is an adjective modifying "developer". "Developer" is the noun that the article you use applies to.

Where'd you learn to parse English?

To be fair, the OP made a slight error when he wrote

The word software does not require, and should not have, an indefinite article before it.

He should have written "The noun software does not require..."

He also probably shouldn't have interjected the bit about Indians... that's just evidence of some xenophobia or racism.

Re:has developed a software (1)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227609)

"Software" is not being used as a noun in your example. "Software" is an adjective modifying "developer". "Developer" is the noun that the article you use applies to.

Actually, I don't think it's an adjective in my example - I think it's still a noun, but part of a compound noun phrase that has a count noun as it's head (which is why it can take an indefinite article in my example). Potato, po-tah-to, I guess.

Where'd you learn to parse English?

Like all native speakers, I learned from those that raised me (and from others around me, though in a more passive capacity). It's debatable how much influence coursework and reading in syntax has influenced my parsing - given that it was largely in the generative/GB/minimalist tradition, one could say it had nothing to do with parsing ;)

Re:has developed a software (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#27228857)

A count noun as it is head?

I'd quit while your a head, if I was you.

Re:has developed a software (1)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 5 years ago | (#27230451)

I'd quit while your a head, if I was you.

That's really an awful pun. Thanks for the chuckle.

Re:has developed a software (1)

d3matt (864260) | more than 5 years ago | (#27230345)

Software is an adjective modifying the word developer. Similarly the article 'a' is a modifier of the word developer.

He's "a developer". What kind of developer? He's a __software__ developer.

Re:has developed a software (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227549)

The French sometimes pluralise it.

Re:has developed a software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27228153)

By the way, found the appropriate wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_noun [wikipedia.org] Nouns that are uncountable never get an "a" or "an" in front of them. There's a nice list of examples on the right (software is one of them!)

Maybe they aren't very big (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27226553)

TFA talks about the company not having enough developers to support a non-Microsoft OS. Maybe they don't have much resources for anything.

I went to the company site linked in TFA and got the following message:

// Provide alternate content for browsers that do not support scripting // or for those that have scripting disabled. Alternate HTML content should be placed here. This content requires the Adobe Flash Player. Get Flash

They didn't have the time to properly test their website and we're seeing a message from a template (that should have been removed). I've seen this kind of thing before. A company doesn't have the resources to do the job right and rushes the product out the door just to survive. It sure rings all the alarm bells for me.

Re:Maybe they aren't very *SMART* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27226749)

Are they in the business of selling hardware, or software?

If they're in the business of selling hardware, they don't *need* to assign developer resources to it. Just make the specs available, someone will write Linux software. (Proof: people are already doing this, without the specs. Wht not make their life easier?)

It never ceases to amaze me that some companies think that selling your product more people is a bad thing.

Re:Maybe they aren't very big (2, Funny)

PPH (736903) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227175)

A company doesn't have the resources to do the job right and rushes the product out the door just to survive. It sure rings all the alarm bells for me.

It sounds familiar to me. Like some little fly-by-night s/w outfit in Redmond.

Troll mod in 3...2...1

Re:Maybe they aren't very big (1)

Mister Whirly (964219) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227501)

Congratulations. I only had to get down half a page to see this totally unrelated in any way article being somehow connected back to being Microsoft's fault. Thanks Slashdot for not disappointing!

Well, I do give you a bonus point for at least admitting you are trolling.

Re:Maybe they aren't very big (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27227887)

Yeah, and people should stop picking on those poor Nazis - all that unpleasantness was decades ago, give them a break.

Re:Maybe they aren't very big (1)

Mister Whirly (964219) | more than 5 years ago | (#27228131)

Nice strawman AC. If you were blaming Nazis for things they had nothing to do with, I would tell you the same thing. Maybe you should just take the leap and blame Nazis on Microsoft too.

Re:Maybe they aren't very big (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 5 years ago | (#27231121)

The humor aside, the (evidently missed) point being made is that size rarely has much to do with s/w quality. Some pretty crappy product gets written by large outfits. And some excellent s/w gets written by one guy sitting in a dorm room in Helsinki.

feature (4, Interesting)

The Cisco Kid (31490) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226585)

I havent looked at it yet (I will) but what I'd like to see is the ability to *upload* files to the card. The application would be putting it in a digital picture frame (which would be in a different room than where the computers were) and be able to add photos to it without having to physically go get the SD card and apply sneakernet.

Re:feature (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 5 years ago | (#27230133)

I worked out a solution (sort of) to this problem for my Father.

For his last birthday I wanted to get him a digital picture frame, since so many of the pictures that the rest of the family is taking are digital. I also wanted it to be something he could just plug in and "forget about". Requiring zero maintenance from him.

I looked around a bit and got a Kodak

- It has built in WiFi (he already had DSL, so all I needed to do was install a WiFi Router, which was good since he needed a router between him and the internet anyway :) ).
- It can be set to display a Flicker or Kodak Gallery account automatically.

I set him up with a Kodak Gallery account (he doesn't even use it, but its so I can manage it) and set the picture frame for his network, and to show the Galleries of all his friends when it boots up.

Now all I need to do is share an album with him (or modify the pictures in an album I've already shared), and they instantly appear on his frame.

Just in case the WiFi goes out, I also loaded some "default" pictures onto the local memory, but things have been good for the past 6 months or so (actually this reminds me, he's been complaining when I talked to him on the phone that there aren't any new pictures :) ).

I think it can also be set to upload/download files between a computer and itself, but that would have meant me setting up a server to connect to his computer before it is updated, and I needed a more remote solution. :)

Re:feature (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 5 years ago | (#27230249)

Like and idiot, I forgot to update the section in my reply that actually listed the model number before I hit submit (with Slashdot had an "Edit" feature :) ).

Please replace this:


I looked around a bit and got a Kodak

With this:


I looked around a bit and got a Kodak EasyShare W1020 http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jhtml?pq-path=13162&pq-locale=en_US [kodak.com] . Its a bit pricy (although they also have a smaller model for less), but I really wanted to get my father something nice for his 79th birthday. :)

:)

Isn't it interesting... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226603)

that the excuse for not providing the facilities is that nobody is using it on those OSes. Seems odd to me that they'd expect for a substantial number of people to buy their products without including the ability to actually use the product.

But then again, developers seem to be spoiled badly enough that they expect people to plunk down their cash even before they can use it on their preferred OS. Often times sending cease and desist letters in place of actual support.

Re:Isn't it interesting... (1)

OG (15008) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226999)

This is a squarely consumer product from a small company with limited developer resources. According to Net Applications, Windows and Mac make up a bit over 98% of the consumer OS base. While people may disagree over methodology, these are the two major platforms used by Eye-Fi's target demo. Expending resources on Linux support probably doesn't make financial sense for them.

I primarily use Linux, and I love it, but it's not Eye-Fi's responsibility to make Linux more appealing by having applications available for the platform.

C&D in 3, 2, 1 ... (4, Informative)

wiredlogic (135348) | more than 5 years ago | (#27226611)

From their website it looks like they are selling the same product at three different price points with the only differentiator being the included software features. A cross-platform solution that allows one to bypass this scheme may induce their lawyers to shit the proverbial brick and send out a reflexive C&D order to combat such a nuisance.

Re:C&D in 3, 2, 1 ... (3, Informative)

cortesoft (1150075) | more than 5 years ago | (#27228671)

It looks like they are slightly different in the hardware department as well. For one, there are 2 different sizes (2G and 4G), and the high end one looks like it has access information for 10,000 hot spots built in (although I am doubtful about how useful those would be). It actually doesn't appear that there is any difference in the desktop software, just on the card and for external services (the geotagging thing on the high end one).

Of course, they probably will still sue, because you could probably compete with a third party geotagging service or something.

did anyone watch the flash intro? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27227355)

that wifi router doesn't have any antennas or an ethernet cable.

only at home? (1)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227425)

Running the script at intervals would allow for real time updates to an online gallery.

Wouldn't you have to be within range of your own home network for this to work? I don't think it would work if you were on someone else's wireless would it?

Why the knee-jerk may come (1)

Aphoxema (1088507) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227591)

I think the problem here would be "programmed feature removal"

http://www.eye.fi/cards/ [www.eye.fi]

There's three different cards to buy, and I have no doubt that they're all identical save for what card they claim to be, thereby limiting what features the manager software will allow the user to access.

Re:Why the knee-jerk may come (1)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227747)

For the bottom two that seems to be true, but the 3rd one can upload through hotspots that are not your home. I'm sure the hardware on all 3 are the same but the firmware on the 3rd might be different.
I could also see where they might all be the same except for a serial number. In that case the bottom two while in another hotspot would have to try to contact the master server which would reject it based on serial number. But if it had different firmware on the bottom two it might not try to contact at all (which is what I believe).

ceace and desist (2, Informative)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 5 years ago | (#27227593)

I hope the people at Eye-Fi see this as a good thing, rather than reason for a knee-jerk cease-and-desist letter

From looking at their 3 different models it seems that the only difference between the bottom two models is software running on the PC, so this could effectively turn a $50 card into a $60 card. Doubt they would be happy about that.

Which version of Eye-Fi cards? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27229669)

He doesn't say which of the Eye-Fi cards this works with.

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