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iPhone 3.0 Software Announced

kdawson posted about 5 years ago | from the most-rumors-were-true dept.

Cellphones 619

Apple unveiled the iPhone 3.0 software just now in Cupertino. Here's MacWorld's live-action blow-by-blow coverage. The announcement included new features for developers and users. For developers, the big items were in-app purchasing (for example for game upgrades, map content, and subscriptions) for paid apps only; peer-to-peer connectivity via Bluetooth; giving apps access to hardware via the dock connector or Bluetooth; maps embeddable in apps; and push notifications. For users, there's finally cut-copy-paste available in all apps; search across everything in the iPhone; landscape keyboard; MMS messaging; and voice memos. Developer beta starts today and 3.0 will be available in the summer — free for all 3G phones, $10 for iPod Touch.

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Bluetooth Keyboard (2, Interesting)

vertinox (846076) | about 5 years ago | (#27229819)

I'm wondering if this means we get that bluetooth keyboard with core apps or do we need to use 3rd party apps?

Re:Bluetooth Keyboard (1, Troll)

Andy_R (114137) | about 5 years ago | (#27229889)

Well, now that the phone has cut & paste, it should be trivial to write such a third party app if it is needed.

Re:Bluetooth Keyboard (1)

vertinox (846076) | about 5 years ago | (#27229981)

True. But it would be kind of lame to have to open a single text edit program to type in with the keyboard just to copy and paste into mail app...

Unless you can automate that.

I don't think you are going to be happy (4, Interesting)

hellfire (86129) | about 5 years ago | (#27230375)

I think the answer might be neither. In a Q&A at the end of the demo, someone asked a cryptic question with an equally cryptic answer:

From the Gizmodo [q] live blog:

Q: Bluetooth human input device profile for external keyboards.
A: We have nothing to announce.

Considering how they went to great pains to announce individual features of bluetooth that they were using, and avoided talking about bluetooth filesharing, I think they are hinting that bluetooth keyboards are not in the cards at the moment.

Re:I don't think you are going to be happy (3, Insightful)

jezor (51922) | about 5 years ago | (#27230409)

Huge mistake by Apple; this is one of the few features that Palm hasn't (yet) confirmed for the Pre, and it's one that business users in particular want. Heck, Apple itself sells a Bluetooth keyboard! {ProfJonathan}

Wow. (2, Insightful)

FictionPimp (712802) | about 5 years ago | (#27229823)

Well that covers a list of features I really wanted as a would be dev and a iphone owner. All I can say is "fucking finally!"

Re:Wow. (1)

omeomi (675045) | about 5 years ago | (#27230245)

Agreed. And, just in time, the Apple Developer site is down... "We are busy updating the site. Please check back soon."

Can't wait to try it out, though.

Re:Wow. (1)

thuh Freak (725126) | about 5 years ago | (#27230431)

I didn't actively participate in the previous SDKs, but http://developer.apple.com/ [apple.com] mentions that developers can 'test' their apps directly on the phone. Does that mean that apple has created a way to put an app on the iphone w/o app store? (Anyone else think that is frickin awesome?)

Re:Wow. (1)

FictionPimp (712802) | about 5 years ago | (#27230599)

Yea, you have to pay the 100 bucks to be a 'official' developer. Then you can test apps directly on your phone and put them on the store.

I'm almost at the point where I need to look into getting that account.

Great (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27229825)

Another story for the faggy mac users.
Honestly, who follows every single thing apple do.

All hail... (1, Funny)

wandazulu (265281) | about 5 years ago | (#27229863)

...our new bluetooth headset overlords!

Oh, also our cut-copy-paste overlords!

Re:All hail... (-1, Flamebait)

American Terrorist (1494195) | about 5 years ago | (#27229979)

All hail...our new bluetooth headset overlords! Oh, also our cut-copy-paste overlords!

Uhhhhhh ok.... this just isn't funny on any level. I understand the attempt to be absurd but it lands flat. How about no more overlord references for 2 weeks?

What amazing coverage of the event! (5, Funny)

American Terrorist (1494195) | about 5 years ago | (#27229897)

10:08 PT - DM: Scott looking very hip in a black zip-up. I wonder who does his hair. 3.0 is a major update to the iPhone OS. Comes with "incredible features" for developers and customers. Here's what's on tap for developers.

He's so dreamy! I hope the new iPhone OS has lots of his pictures pre-loaded!

And the new iPhone works with any service provider, right?

Touch users have to pay??? (3, Insightful)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 5 years ago | (#27229901)

WHy does apple do this kind of crap? Is the touch less expensive or subsidized or ANYTHING that would justify having to pay vs their Iphone counterparts?

Blame Sarbanes-Oxley (2, Informative)

hellfire (86129) | about 5 years ago | (#27230009)

I wish I had a reference for you, but it has to do with SOX compliance. The 3.0 software is free to iPhone users because it's part of the AT&T contract. For iPod Touch, there's no such contract. Because of some legal accounting obligation under SOX, and because there is no contract for iPod Touch users, Apple has to charge for software upgrades for the iPod touch. This was mentioned by Jobs I believe at tone of Apple's media blitzes last year.


Re:Blame Sarbanes-Oxley (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230105)

Even if that's completely true, they could simply charge $1, or $0.99, or $0.01. Not $10.

Not SOX, just GAAP (4, Informative)

JeffTL (667728) | about 5 years ago | (#27230213)

It's actually a matter of generally accepted accounting principles, and I still have trouble seeing what Sarbanes has to do with it. It's revenue recognition, which is pure GAAP. The argument is basically that they'd have understated the expenses associated with generating the revenue last period, i.e. overstated net income and it's derivative numbers such as earnings per share, if they added new functionality to sales already recognized.

Re:Touch users have to pay??? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230013)

WHy does apple do this kind of crap?

They know that their sheep-like customers will bend over and take it up their wooly asses.

Re:Touch users have to pay??? (2, Informative)

PeeShootr (949875) | about 5 years ago | (#27230025)

Yeah. It's because of Sarbanes Oxley. With the phone they can say that the updgrade is incorporated in the monthly fee. But, since there is no recurring fee for the touch, they have to charge for the update. Thank the accountants.

Re:Touch users have to pay??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230183)

What a load of bulls.. is that?

So Microsoft has to charge for Servicepacks?

Redhat has to charge for updates?

Ubuntu has to charge you for downloading it?

Get some common sense people...

Re:Touch users have to pay??? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230423)

This, it's obviously more Apple bullshit. They lie about their contributions to the Free Software community, so why wouldn't they lie about this? I don't buy it, and you shouldn't either.

It is the duty of Free Software supporters everywhere to oppose Apple in all possible ways on all possible fronts until all Apple software on all platforms is fully GPL3 or Apple no longer exists. OS X was built on the blood, sweat, and tears of Open Source programmers, and Apple must NEVER be allowed to forget it!

Re:Touch users have to pay??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230607)

service packs and updates are bug fixes or new features for existing (ie, already purchased) applications. Slashdot accounting advice is a lot like slashdot legal advice.

Re:Touch users have to pay??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230355)

It has nothing to do with Sarbanes Oxley. Sarbanes Oxley = assessing internal controls, and putting the CEO/CFO on the hook for the accuracy of the financial statements.


Re:Touch users have to pay??? (1)

mmkkbb (816035) | about 5 years ago | (#27230395)

But minor Mac OS version (and other software) upgrades are free, as are non-Touch iPod firmware updates.

Re:Touch users have to pay??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230035)

Blame Sarbanes-Oxley


For crying out loud... (5, Insightful)

Space cowboy (13680) | about 5 years ago | (#27230037)

*EVERY* time Apple announce something new for the touch/iphone, it costs an extra $10 on the touch.

*EVERY* time someone moans about that.

*EVERY* time someone else points out that Apple account for iphone sales over a period of time, thus allowing them to maneuver around the ridiculous Sarbonnes-Oxley requirements. They bill the touch as a one-off, so can't add new functionality without there being a representative charge.

Whether you agree with them or not, that's their position (presumably that of their highly-paid lawyers, too). Get over it, *every* time you add onto the touch, you're going to pay extra.


Re:Touch users have to pay??? (1)

SydShamino (547793) | about 5 years ago | (#27230127)

I expect Apple sees more revenue from a product such as the iPhone, either through AT&T kickbacks (assuming they still get those) or through purchases of more apps due to the larger hardware feature set.

iPod Touch users, though, basically just have an iPod with a pretty interface and a small subset of other features. I assume some work was required to compile and test the subset of 3.0 that will work with the iPod Touch hardware, and they want to extract as much profit from that effort as possible.

I'll think about paying for it when it releases. It will likely depend on whether or not my wife has a job again, not on the actual cost.

Re:Touch users have to pay??? (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 5 years ago | (#27230157)

Maybe it's because you're constantly paying for the iPhone? (Perhaps AT&T funds some of the development cost, or maybe Apple gets some money from your service fee.)

Or maybe it's something like the Intel Macbook 802.11n firmware upgrade, that Apple said they charged money because of something in the Sarbanes-Oxley act. Linky [appleinsider.com]. Of course, I'm still skeptical as to the validity of that claim.

I agree it's dumb, though.

Re:Touch users have to pay??? (5, Informative)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | about 5 years ago | (#27230311)

The short answer is that our financial regulatory environment forces them to do so, kinda.

If Apple books profits for iPod Touches at the time of purchase, but then books expenses for iPod Touch development later, they are vulnerable to the accusation that they were hiding expenses on their balance sheet, which is illegal.

After getting burnt by this once in the past (Airport basestations, I think), they started charging for feature updates. When they book expenses for the development of iPod Touch 3.0, they can account for it like a new product for sale, and either make a profit or loss on those sales.

The other solution to this issue is that they book profits for iPhones on a "two year subscription basis". That means they only record 1/8th of the sale profit of an iPhone as profit in the quarter it was purchased. They can then charge further development costs against this same income, and they don't have to account for it like a separate product for sale.

Whether they should account for *everything* on a subscription basis is totally open for debate. It has been suggested that this subscription accounting is one of many factors that could be depressing Apple's share price. When they have a killer quarter for iPhone sales, that profit gets smeared across 8 quarters of earnings statements.

IMHO, it could be argued that this is a good thing, and forces shareholders to consider longer term value. So maybe they really should account for everything this way. The question is how profitable are these $9.95 iPhone OS updates & $100 Mac OS updates. Iduno.

Re:Touch users have to pay??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230379)

the 3.0 torrent on piratebay in 3.2.1...

Re:Touch users have to pay??? (1)

Reece400 (584378) | about 5 years ago | (#27230435)

I expect that the phone carriers wouldn't go for paid updates, but for the ipod touches they can do whatever they want.. and they want to take your money.

what's STILL missing (1, Interesting)

JonTurner (178845) | about 5 years ago | (#27229903)

I'll start the list:

* printing
* spam filtering on email ...

Re:what's STILL missing (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | about 5 years ago | (#27229967)

Exchange syncing more than one folder
Exchange displaying e-mails with the correct attributes
Exchange handling appointments in a sensible way ...

Re:what's STILL missing (2, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | about 5 years ago | (#27230053)

Exchange syncing more than one folder
Exchange displaying e-mails with the correct attributes
Exchange handling appointments in a sensible way ..

Those would be low on the priority list. The iPhone's primary target market is consumers, not corporate users. Features like those are more aimed at corporate users, not home users.

Re:what's STILL missing (2, Insightful)

Zerth (26112) | about 5 years ago | (#27230207)

So you really want a Blackberry Storm with an Apple logo on it?

Re:what's STILL missing (3, Interesting)

vux984 (928602) | about 5 years ago | (#27230443)

So you really want a Blackberry Storm with an Apple logo on it?

How about a blackberry storm with a proper touch interface? That's what I want.

(And no I actually don't mind the click screen at all; i actually quite like it even.)

I just can't stand the fact that there is no velocity/momentum support. Want to scroll the screen? On either device just move finger. Works great. Want to scroll up faster?

On an iphone move finger faster - screen scrolls faster. Flick it and the screen scrolls really fast and gradually slows down.

On a storm. move finger faster, screen scrolls at the same speed. Flick it and the storm scrolls at the same speed and then stops immediately after your finger leaves it.

On an iphone when you reach the bottom it sort of 'overshoots' its a bit and stops to show you there is no more. On a storm... you hit the bottom and it stops. But it doesn't give you that visual cue that you are at the bottom.

It goes on... the storm has a comparatively putzy touch support. I hear its because finger movements are just mapped to the old simple trackball/wheel commands (up, down, left, right, click) instead of providing a proper touch api to handle all the additional information.

Re:what's STILL missing (4, Interesting)

Andy_R (114137) | about 5 years ago | (#27230011)

Filtering is best done server side. For me the to-do list is:
Record video from the camera

Re:what's STILL missing (1)

Space cowboy (13680) | about 5 years ago | (#27230129)

Filtering is best done server side. For me the to-do list is:

Hell, no.


Not in a million years, thanks.


Um, perhaps. I never carry a printer around with me, but I can see some use for this

Record video from the camera

That'd be cool.

And it should stay missing (1)

hellfire (86129) | about 5 years ago | (#27230189)

Why would you want spam filtering on ANY phone? That's a waste of power on a device which has a limited precious power supply. Hell I wouldn't do it on a laptop, either. Set up IMAP, and do your filtering either server side, or keep your work/home PC logged in and have the email client do it there.

As for printing, how in demand is it for someone to plug in an electronic device that allows you to view the document already to print it to paper? I can't believe the demand is that high. copy/paste, bluetooth, and MMS are higher in demand and two of the three aren't all that necessary. If you need to print because of your eyes, then perhaps an iPhone isn't for you. If you need it for delivery or point of sale, well I just don't see the iPhone as a Point of sale device or durable enough for every day delivery. Maybe some day, but again, I can't believe there is demand.

Re:what's STILL missing (5, Funny)

StikyPad (445176) | about 5 years ago | (#27230399)

* Removable Battery
* Video
* Speech to Text
* Waterproof
* Fireproof
* Shatterproof
* Self-cleaning screen
* Wriststraps
* Juice dispenser
* Cash dispenser
* Stock predictor
* Mechanical actuators of any kind
* Biometric monitoring
* Jury tampering
* AI
* Introspection

Re:what's STILL missing (1)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | about 5 years ago | (#27230441)

Who says it can't print? They just announced that device developers can write their own software & protocols. That means you can make an iPhone printer.

Are you saying you want it to have the printing capabilities of OS X? Because that takes up about 1GB for drivers.

Voice dialing (1)

sxltrex (198448) | about 5 years ago | (#27230563)

The one and only thing I truly miss from my crappy old flip phone. If only The Steve wasn't violently opposed to it.

What is really really missing... (2, Interesting)

mario_grgic (515333) | about 5 years ago | (#27230583)

is a good phone firewall app that allows you to block calls from phone numbers by using simple globs (e.g. 909 ***-**** would drop all calls from area code 909).

I don't know if any phone has this (I know there is a $20 app for jail broken iPhone 3G), but it should be provided as part of the iPhone OS in the first place.

The user should be in control of their phone and who is allowed to get through to them. As it is now tele marketers can ruin you life :D.

Now about that 32GB issue... (0, Troll)

ThatDamnMurphyGuy (109869) | about 5 years ago | (#27229939)

I have a metric crap tonne of music. That 32GB iPod Touch just isn't cutting it at all and I loathe that classic iPod. Hurry up with the 64GB upgrade already.

Re:Now about that 32GB issue... (2, Informative)

Captain Splendid (673276) | about 5 years ago | (#27230091)

You just need better playlists. I've got well over 150 GB of mp3s and a 16GB ipod touch (with almost 2 GB of that taken up by photos/apps/movies), and I've got it cycling my music just fine.

Re:Now about that 32GB issue... (1)

necro81 (917438) | about 5 years ago | (#27230185)

I have a metric crap tonne of music

How many Libraries of Congress is that?

Re:Now about that 32GB issue... (2, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | about 5 years ago | (#27230241)

That 32GB iPod Touch just isn't cutting it at all and I loathe that classic iPod. Hurry up with the 64GB upgrade already.

Yeah, because you really need more than 10,000 songs on you. God forbid you have to listen to the same song twice in 2 months.

I have a metric crap ton of music too. But realistically. Even the 8GB model is more enough for music, especially if you can re-sync it once a week or so.

And while I wouldn't mind a capacity bump in the next release, its hardly the most important feature. I'd value battery life, better speaker, gps, and dozen other features more than more memory.

Re:Now about that 32GB issue... (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 5 years ago | (#27230459)

God forbid you have to listen to the same song twice in 2 months.

It's nice having most or all of your collection with you for long trips where you don't know what you will be in the mood for in advance. It's also nice for playing stuff for friends who may not have heard some specific song that you have.

My classic iPod 80GB works fine for this, but even that is running out of space. This is with large chunks of repetitive bootlegs disabled from syncing.

What I really want is an iTunes feature that allows the main library to use lossless encoding (for streaming to my Apple TV) and automatically maintain AAC shadow copies for syncing to a mobile device like the iPod or iPhone. Right now I have to maintain two complete iTune libraries to accomplish this.

Notes Sync! Finally! (1)

javacowboy (222023) | about 5 years ago | (#27229969)

This is my favourite new feature. I use the Notes app to jot down notes and was annoyed at not being able to sync those notes, as I was with my iPod. This is long overdue, but I'll be happy to have it.

Re:Notes Sync! Finally! (1)

henryhbk (645948) | about 5 years ago | (#27230117)

However, it needs to sync with Exchange notes. No obvious reason it couldn't, they only mention sync via itunes. We use a lot of notes in our work that are updated frequently (who to call for x so you don't have to call the help desk, etc...)

Congratulations, Apple (3, Insightful)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | about 5 years ago | (#27229975)

You've now achieved what Palm devices could do ten years ago.

Re:Congratulations, Apple (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230083)

you could have just wrote "hi I'm a moron"

Hi, I'm a moron! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230333)

Hi, I'm a moron. I wrote it! Now, what do I get?

Re:Congratulations, Apple (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230139)

Well, some of it anyway. Still no good calendar or to-do list. (And yes, I'm ignoring anything which stores data on 3rd party servers and requires internet access to look at.)

Re:Congratulations, Apple (1)

kisrael (134664) | about 5 years ago | (#27230297)

"Still no good calendar or to-do list. (And yes, I'm ignoring anything which stores data on 3rd party servers and requires internet access to look at.)"
I'm an old Palm fan from 1997, and I don't see where the calendar is worse than Palms... and the Avigo's Todo app is totally adequate. No desktop app, but you don't need any net access for it.

And as for the original poster... may if Palm had, you know, kept adding features to its core phones, they wouldn't have needed the reboot. (And it's obvious iPhone borrowed stuff like the home screen from Palm and not say WinCE.)

Re:Congratulations, Apple (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230561)

Jailbreak, add the calendar program from BigBoss.

Allows you to have your events displayed on the lock screen.

Re:Congratulations, Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230143)

And look where they are now.

Re:Congratulations, Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230211)

Yeah but in order for Palm to do it they had to use a time machine to travel to the present day, steal Apple's ideas, and then travel back in time to implement them.

Re:Congratulations, Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230295)

I guess they forgot to congratulate Palm. Here goes...

Congratulations, Palm, 10 years ago you achieved what Apple did with the Newton 15 years ago!

Re:Congratulations, Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230387)

You've now achieved what Palm devices could do ten years ago.

What's funny is that you see that as a dig. Apple introduced their first mobile device less than two years ago, whereas in 1999 Palm had already been in the handheld business for seven years.

Palm is dead anyways; the iPhone OS has more than 4x the marketshare. The guy to beat in this arena is RIM (and they're closing in), and Symbian (which Apple isn't anywhere near).

Re:Congratulations, Apple (1)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | about 5 years ago | (#27230507)

You've now achieved what Palm devices could do ten years ago.

That's a pretty trollish post, you get excused because this update is truly all about catch-up, without the innovation of the original iPhone software or 2.0.

Still no Adobe Flash (2, Insightful)

CNETNate (1469133) | about 5 years ago | (#27229997)

I'll use copy-paste once or twice a week, but I'd use Adobe Flash 99% of ever hour spent using Safari.

DLC Hell (5, Interesting)

foo fighter (151863) | about 5 years ago | (#27230019)

I, for one, am not looking forward to being spammed in my apps to pay "Only $.99 for this new widget! Click Now!". I expect everything from EA to be even worse on this platform than it has been to date.

Did you see that FPS demo where the guy had to pay extra to get the rocket launcher? That does **not** make me want to play that game.

Re:DLC Hell (3, Funny)

qoncept (599709) | about 5 years ago | (#27230269)

Did you see that FPS demo where the guy had to pay extra to get the rocket launcher? That does **not** make me want to play that game.

In that case, I have no idea what girl is ever going to want to go out with you.

Re:DLC Hell (5, Insightful)

Brandee07 (964634) | about 5 years ago | (#27230305)

Agreed; I am not a fan of the microtransaction model.

I like my game purchases to be complete games, not games with huge gaping holes in them (coming soon!) or games that are really only shells for lots of nickle-and-dime DLC, which is exactly what that FPS they demoed appeared to be.

However, buying content though apps is not without merit. Kindle for iPhone currently takes people through Safari to make purchases, which quite a few people complained about. They would be able to buy new books directly from the app. (Of course, Apple has a Free-means-free policy, so they'd probably have to start charging for the app in addition to the books- but $.99 is easier to swallow than $359). This could also work for companies like iVerse Media, who sells comic books. Rather than have each issue as a separate app complete with reader software, they could bundle them all up under an iVerse app. That way I won't have a bunch of issues of Atomic Robo all over my home screen.

The best move Apple made was the free-means-free policy. If an app is free, you can't go charging for bits inside it. I would not be happy to download a free app and find that I had to pay $.99 per widget in order to unlock all the useful bits.

Re:DLC Hell (1)

GleeBot (1301227) | about 5 years ago | (#27230391)

At least it seems to be limited to paid apps only. Meaning if someone gives away a free-as-in-beer app, they won't have an opportunity to pester you to buy an upgrade later--it'll be as free as advertised.

From a developer perspective, I can see where this cuts off some legitimate business models, but that's probably outweighed by the interest of the users not to get a lot of free-in-name-only apps bombarding you to unlock them.

Camera card reader -- please (3, Interesting)

snowwrestler (896305) | about 5 years ago | (#27230079)

The new SDK will allow developers to control accessories attached to the dock adapter. I'm really hopeful someone will make a card reader...it would so nice to bring a 32GB iPod touch on trips instead of a MacBook Pro.

Re:Camera card reader -- please (1)

Satan Dumpling (656239) | about 5 years ago | (#27230309)

I'll be happy if someone just teaches it how to talk to the Ipod Radio Remote. I'd like to leave the Ipod in the car and connect the remote to the Iphone.

Copy/Paste (1, Insightful)

CompMD (522020) | about 5 years ago | (#27230137)

I, for one, welcome Apple to 1983 by gaining the capabilities of the Macintosh 512k.

Re:Copy/Paste (3, Funny)

illegalcortex (1007791) | about 5 years ago | (#27230489)

Expect certain posters to pivot from claiming copy-and-paste is a useless unnecessary feature to ragging on another other phone that does not include it out of the box.

Still like the Palm Pre features better (0, Offtopic)

blahbooboo (839709) | about 5 years ago | (#27230191)

Well, great update. But the Palm Pre still has more exciting functionality.

For example, I love that with the Pre conversations will switch between SMS and IM instantly and seamlessly.

iPod touch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230197)

"$10 for iPod Touch"

!@#$ you Apple!

So push notification but no background apps? (1)

Pahalial (580781) | about 5 years ago | (#27230209)

How does that work exactly? i.e. will instant messaging apps (Beejive) be able to get new messages pushed to them and notify you of this while you're doing something else, or will this only lengthen battery life when actively using such apps?

Re:So push notification but no background apps? (1)

alen (225700) | about 5 years ago | (#27230595)

there was a story a month back that Google is licensing Microsoft's ActiveSync for something similar. I bet Push is just ActiveSync with a different name and Apple branded

Slowly but surely iPhone OSX will replace Mac OSX (1, Interesting)

QuatermassX (808146) | about 5 years ago | (#27230239)

After today's announcement (huzzah cut and paste and Bluetooth connectivity!) I am increasingly convinced that Apple is heading toward pushing the Macintosh off to the side and allowing iPhone OS to become the driver of much of its development efforts.

A lot of the Star Trek-ish utility of the new APIs really becomes laptop-killing functionality when you run this OS on, say, a 10-inch iPad or whatever the thing will be called. The larger form factor **should** negate **some** of the small-battery-killing radio and system activity by providing more space for a larger battery. Then again, Jon Ive does like his devices thin!

And this leaves the Mac OS X ... ? Secure in its role as a desktop OS that runs apps like Photoshop and drives complex devices like scanners, printers, etc (for now). But surely Apple is heading back toward the original conception of the Macintosh way back in the 80's - a ubiquitous information appliance. In this case, it's an uber-device that interacts seamlessly with location-aware, contextual user inputs and communication of any sort.

Apple is carefully repositioning our expectations of what we do with our "computers" - and Microsoft doesn't even seem to care.

Re:Slowly but surely iPhone OSX will replace Mac O (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230445)

Also, building in support to put a price on certain OS features which you can purchase on a need basis.

Joking of course... ;)

Re:Slowly but surely iPhone OSX will replace Mac O (1)

javacowboy (222023) | about 5 years ago | (#27230465)

Interesting observation...

What would be really neat, say 5 years down the road, would be a mobile device you could connect to a docking station with an LCD monitor (ex 24 inches).

Then all your mobile apps could switch away from "battery saving mode" and "3G network saving mode" and run with less restrictions, as well as well as run full-size, or something close to it with some combination of new features and resolution independence.

Full computers would be reserved for professions who really need the extra computing power.

The only issues would be storage and better access to the filesystem. Given 5 years, they could probably solve these issues.

What amuses me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230307)

Is Apple fanboys constantly told us the iPhone didn't need 3G.

Then the iPhone got 3G.

Then the Apple fanboys told us the iPhone didn't need MMS.

Now the iPhone's getting MMS.

The story is the same for GPS and so on. The fact is even Apple realises that these features should be part of any phone and it's great to see they're finally getting implemented. It's just rather comical in light of the excuses made for the things the iPhone has been missing all this time.

Thankfully even Apple itself ignores the zealot hoarde it's managed to acquire.

Tethering (5, Interesting)

Andy_R (114137) | about 5 years ago | (#27230327)

This only came up in the Q&A afterwards, but tethering is a new feature supported by OS 3.0, but Apple are not making a big thing of it yet because it's going to need to be negotiated with the phone carriers before it can be rolled out.

I Dont believe it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27230373)

free for all 3G phones, $10 for iPod Touch

first thing I thought I when I was reading the summary was, "How much is Apple gonna charge it's customers for a Service Pack (ala OS X 'upgrades')?"

I'm very suprised they are giving this away to iPhones and only charging $10 for the iTouch. Guess 1st Gen iPhones are screwed though?

Re:I Dont believe it (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 5 years ago | (#27230469)

From the Engadget article:

What about the rest of us? iPhone OS 3.0 will be available this Summer. A free update to all of our iPhone 3G customers. And it works on the original iPhone. Now the hardware has changed between these two devices. For instance, A2DP and MMS won't be available on the iPhone 1st gen.

So, it seems some of the features will be on the first-gen iPhone, but not ones that required a hardware change. (I guess they don't want you using MMS over an Edge network).

Let the complaints begin . . . (5, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 5 years ago | (#27230473)

If there's is something you don't like about the iPhone, you have choices like the Android but if you are patient, Apple might address your issue sometime in the future. It's not a matter of life and death that Apple didn't release the feature you wanted:

Apple: Introducting the iPod: 1000 songs in your pocket.
Naysayers:"No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame." Seriously who's going to buy this? It is Mac only, uses Firewire, and costs $400!!

Apple: iPod 2.0: Touch sensitive scroll wheel. Now compatible with Windows. Up to 20GB
Naysayers: Okay, more space than a Nomad, but no wireless. Firewire only. Still expensive. Easily scratched

Apple: iPod 3.0: UI Redesign. Now USB compatible. Up to 40GB
Naysayers:Still waiting for wireless. Still expensive. No video or photo capability. Really I need something smaller, maybe flash based. Easily scratched. Still expensive

Apple: iPod mini: Smaller version of iPod. 4 or 6 GB disk based. iPod 4.0. UI Redesign. Clickwheel. Up to 40GB. iPod 4.1: now with color and photo capability. Up to 60GB
Naysayers:Still no wireless. Still expensive. No video. Maybe a phone/iPod combination would work. Easily scratched. Still expensive

Apple:iPod Shuffle: Ultra-portable iPod. Up to 1GB. iPod mini v2: New colors. iPod nano: Flash based. Color. Replacing mini. Up to 4GB. iPod 5.0: Now with video. Up to 80GB
Naysayers:No screen on the shuffle. Small video screen on the iPod. And it's not a touch screen. Replace the profitable mini, are they insane? The nano scraches too easily! Still no wireless. When is Apple going to make an iPhone? Still expensive

Apple:iPod Shuffle: Even smaller. Metallic shell. Up to 2GB. iPod nano: New scratch-resistant metallic shell. More battery life. Up to 8GB.
Naysayers:I can't use the new shuffle as a USB stick! Still no wireless or widescreen or touchscreen. No iPhone. Easily scratched. Still expensive

January 2007:
Apple:iPhone: multi-touch, widescreen iPod + mobile phone + internet browser + wireless
Naysayers:I wanted the phone part to be separate. It's only on AT&T. It's not 3G. I can't buy music wirelessly. It's frickin' expensive.

September 2007:
Apple:iPod Touch: iPhone without the phone. iTunes Music Store built in. iPod nano: New form factor. Video. Up to 8GB. iPod Classic: Metallic shell. Up to 160GB
Naysayers:iPhone is still only AT&T and not 3G. iPod touch is only 8GB and 16GB. And it's frickin' expensive.

February 2008:
Apple:iPod nano: new colors: iPod shuffle: new colors. iPouch Touch: 32GB available
Naysayers:iPhone is still only AT&T and not 3G. iPod Touch and iPhone are still expensive

June 2008:
Apple:iPhone 2.0: 3G. Slimmer, faster, more apps, cheaper. 8GB $199. 16GB $299
Naysayers:iPhone is still only AT&T. No cut and paste. The camera is 1.3MP and not video. Not cheaper: AT&T 3G plan costs me more than 2.5G plan. I blame Apple for this.

March 2009:
Apple:iPhone 3.0 software: Cut and paste. Bluetooth peer-to-peer connectivity. Complete iPhone search. landscape keyboard. MMS messaging. and voice memos.
Naysayers:Where's my total Exchange interoperability? No printing. No email filtering. No video recording.

Fast forward to the future . . .
Apple:iPod femto: Size of a business card, but thinner. Direct neural interface. No charging, uranium battery last 5,000 years. Up to 500TB. iPhone X: Instantaneous, realtime language translation. Up to 20PB
Naysayers:Still no ogg. Should be 1PB. Neural interface is only in HD and not Extreme-HD. Should have used plutonium batteries that last 10,000 years. iPhone isn't 6G. Language translation only covers "major" languages and not Swahili. Still expensive.

Apple:iPod femto: Plutonium batteries. 1PB. iPhone XI: 6G. Language translation now includes Swahili.
Naysayers:Neural interface is still HD. iPhone can't reach Pluto. Doesn't cover all dialects of Swahili. Still expensive.

Fake Steve Jobs' head:I called Katie2.0 and told her to stop production of everything because of the constant griping. Siooma, whinetards.
Naysayers:???? . . . Profit!!!!

Skype over 802.11? (1, Insightful)

hwyhobo (1420503) | about 5 years ago | (#27230547)

What I really want in my phone is full integration of communication methods I normally use. Can I connect to a 802.11 wireless network and launch Skype and Yahoo Instant Messenger (with voice, of course)? No, I don't mean over cellular network.
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