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Activists Use Wikipedia To Test Aussie Net Censors

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the hole-in-the-net dept.

The Internet 330

pnorth writes "Editors at Wikipedia have removed a link to a blacklisted web site that sat uncontested for over 24 hours in the main body of the Australian regulator's own Wikipedia entry. The link, which directs readers to a site containing graphic imagery of aborted foetuses, was inserted into ACMA's Wikipedia entry by a campaigner against Internet filtering to determine whether Australia's communications regulator had a double-standard when it came to censoring web content. The very same link motivated the regulator to serve Aussie broadband forum Whirlpool's hosting company with a 'link deletion notice' and the threat of an $11,000 fine. Last night, the link became the subject of 'warring' between several Wikipedia administrators in the lead up to its removal, with administrators saying they didn't want to be used to prove a point."

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Phirst Poast Tsarkon Reports YODA GREASE UP YOUR A (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27251551)

Tsarkon Reports 9 Step Yoda Grease

9 steps to greasing your anus for Yoda Doll Insertion!
v 4.50.3
$YodaBSD: src/release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/yodanotes/9stepprocess.sgml,v 4.50.3 2009/03/12 05:52:25 tsarkon Exp $

  1. Defecate. Preferably after eating senna, ex lax, prunes, cabbage, pickled eggs, and Vietnamese chili garlic sauce. To better enhance the pleasure of this whole process, defecation should be performed in the Return of the Jedi wastebasket for added pleasure. [homestead.com]
  2. Wipe ass with witch hazel, which soothes horrific burns. (Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda certifies that his lips, raw like beaten flank steak from nearly continuous analingus with dogs, are greatly soothed by witch hazel.)
  3. Prime anus with anal ease. [cduniverse.com] (Now Cherry Flavored for those butthole lick-o-phillic amongst you - very popular with 99% of the Slashdotting public!)
  4. Slather richly a considerable amount of Vaseline and/or other anal lubricants into your rectum at least until the bend and also take your Yoda Doll [theswca.com] , Yoda Shampoo bottle [homestead.com] or Yoda soap-on-a-rope [homestead.com] and liberally apply the lubricants to the Doll/Shampoo/Soap-on-a-rope.
  5. Put a nigger do-rag [firstlinemfg.com] on Yoda's head so the ears don't stick out like daggers!
  6. Make sure to have a mechanism by which to fish Yoda out of your rectum, the soap on the rope is especially useful because the retrieval mechanism is built in. [homestead.com]
  7. Pucker and relax your balloon knot several times actuating the sphincter muscle in order to prepare for what is to come.
  8. Slowly rest yourself onto your Yoda figurine. Be careful, he's probably bigger than the dicks normally being shoved up your ass! [thegreenhead.com]
  9. Gyrate gleefully in your computer chair while your fat sexless geek nerd loser fat shit self enjoys the prostate massage you'll be getting. Think about snoodling [urbandictionary.com] with the Sarlaac pit. Read Slashdot. Masturbate to anime. Email one of the editors hoping they will honor you with a reply. Join several more dating services - this time, you don't select the (desired - speaks English) and (desired - literate). You figure you might get a chance then. Order some fucking crap from Think Geek. Get Linux to boot on a Black and Decker Appliance. Wish you could afford a new computer. Argue that cheap-ass discount bin hardware works 'just as well' as the quality and premium hardware because you can't afford the real stuff. Make claims about how Linux rules. Compile a kernel on your 486SX. Claim to hate Windows but use it for World of Warcraft. Admire Ghyslain's courage in making that wonderful Star Wars movie. Officially convert to the Jedi religion. Talk about how cool Mega Tokyo is. Try and make sure you do your regular 50 story submissions to Slashdot, all of which get rejected because people who aren't fatter than CowboyNeal can't submit. Fondle shrimpy penis while making a Yoda voice and saying, use the force [toysrgus.com] , padawan, feeel the foooorce [toysrgus.com] , hurgm. Yes. Yes. When 900 years you reach [lemonparty.org] , a dick half as big you will not have. [toysrgus.com]

All in a days work with a Yoda figurine rammed up your ass.

I HAVE A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS!

GO LINUX!!

Tux is the result after trimming Yoda's ears off so that Lunix people don't rip themselves a new Asshole

What you can do with you ass after sitting on a GREASED UP YODA DOLL. [gayfistingjournal.com]

y______________________________YODA_ANUS__- [hotlinkfiles.com]
o_________________.'_:__`.________________y [hotlinkfiles.com]
d____________.-.'`.__;___.'`.-.___________o [hotlinkfiles.com]
a___________/_:_____;__/____;___________d [hotlinkfiles.com]
s_,'__""--.:__;".-.";:_:".-.":__;.--""__`,a [hotlinkfiles.com]
e_:'_`.t""--.._'/@.`;___',@`_..--""j.'_`;s [hotlinkfiles.com]
x______`:-.._J_'-.-'L___`--_'_L_..-;'_____e [hotlinkfiles.com]
________"-.___;__.-"__"-.__:___.-"________x [hotlinkfiles.com]
y____________L_'_/.------._'_J___________y [hotlinkfiles.com]
o_____________"-.___"--"___.-"____________o [hotlinkfiles.com]
d______________.l"-:_TR_;-";._____________d [hotlinkfiles.com]
a_________.-j/'.;__;""""__/_.'"-.________a [hotlinkfiles.com]
s_______v.'_/:`._"-.:_____.-"_.';__`.v____s [hotlinkfiles.com]
e____.-"__/_;__"-._"-..-"_.-"__:____"-.___e [hotlinkfiles.com]
x_.+"-.__:_:______"-.__.-"______;-.______x [hotlinkfiles.com]
_v;___`.;_; I Yoda Have A _____:_:_"+._;__ [hotlinkfiles.com]
y_:__;___;_;_Greased Up ME In __:_;__:_:_y [hotlinkfiles.com]
o_;__:___;_:_MY ASS! This Goes__;:___;__:_o [hotlinkfiles.com]
d:___;__:__; On FOREVER!______:_;__/__::_d [hotlinkfiles.com]

Ground Control to Yoda Doll Ballad : "Soddity"

Synopsis: --Major Tom goes to the bathroom and shoves a Yoda doll up his ass, and then gimps back to his desk to post AC Trolls on Slashdot. -Yoda Doll to Major Tom. - Yoda Doll to Major Tom. - Take your ex-lax bars and put my do-rag on. - Yoda Doll to Major Tom. - Commencing countdown, rope is on. - Begin insertion and may Goatse's love be with you. -- This is Yoda Doll to Major Tom, - You've rectally been flayed! - And the papers want to know whose shirts you wear. - Now it's time to leave the crapper if you dare. -- This is Major Tom to Yoda Doll, - I'm stepping through the door. - And I'm farting in a most peculiar way! - And my ass looks very different today. - For here... - Am I shitting in the tincan? - Far...too busy posting trolls. -- Slashdot censors you... and there's nothing I can do. -- Uploading one hundred thousand files, - I'm feeling very ill. - I don't think my feces know which way to go. - I can't tell my intestines from spaghetti- - code. Yoda Doll to Major Tom, your prostate's dead, there's something wrong, - Can you hear me, Major Tom? - Can you hear me, Major Tom? - Can you hear me, Major Tom? Can you hear... Am I shitting in the tincan? - My ass like a baboon's - Slashdot censors you - and there's nothing I can do.


The Yoda Pledge

I pledge Allegiance to the Doll
of the Greased Up States of Yodarica
and to the Republic for which it shoves,
one nation under Yoda, rectal intrusion,
with anal lube and ass grease for all.

hello.mpg lyrics.
I'm doin' this tonight ,
You're probably gonna start a fight .
I know this can't be right .
Hey baby come on,
I loved you endlessly ,
When you weren't there for me.
So now it's time to leave and make it alone .
I know that I can't take no more
It ain't no lie
I wanna see you out that door
Baby , bye, bye, bye...

A picture of your ass after YODA. [bmezine.com]

A *greased* Yoda? (2, Informative)

grub (11606) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251699)


Ah fuck. I was supposed to grease up the Yoda doll? That explains the horrible pain and encrusted blood on the backside of my wizard's robe.

Re:Phirst Poast Tsarkon Reports YODA GREASE UP YOU (5, Funny)

fractoid (1076465) | more than 5 years ago | (#27252007)

Troll? It's just a particularly tortuous Slashdot analogy. You see, the Yoda doll is the new internet blacklist, the grease is alleged child porn (allows you to accept the doll more easily), and 'you' represent the Australian public. The improbability of the whole process neatly mirrors the f**king impossibility of this scheme ever working in the real world.

I concur it was rather obvious but still, it could at least get an 'informative'.

Wikipedia (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27251561)

>Last night, the link became the subject of "warring" between several Wikipedia administrators in the lead up to it's removal, with administrators saying they didn't want to be used to prove a point."

Petty drama, on MY Wikipedia?

Re:Wikipedia (5, Funny)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251837)

Petty drama, on MY Wikipedia?

Why don't you get an account and then log in and say that, Jimmy Wales?

A history lesson (5, Informative)

RockMFR (1022315) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251945)

Censorship is one area where the behavior of Wikipedia as a whole is very predictable. Virgin Killer, AACS encryption key, Jyllands-Posten, etc... If you try to remove something controversial from Wikipedia and it gets publicized, it will get added back, usually with administrator support. If you make a really big fuss, the censorship effort will get its own article and it'll probably get mentioned in one of the articles about Wikipedia itself. WP:V + pro-free-speech admins = you're screwed.

Re:A history lesson (5, Insightful)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 5 years ago | (#27252071)

pro-free-speech admins = you're screwed

On a forum like Wikipedia I would propose that it would be (next to) impossible not to have admins that are not anti-censorship (all things being equal), because working on an encyclopedia demonstrates in interest and love of knowledge, whose antithesis is censorship. That's why Librarians are often advocates for free speech. It's not very surprising.

fpfpfpf (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27251563)

fpfpfpfpf

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Re:fpfpfpf (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27251629)

Careful where you aim that! You don't want it in your eye, trust me.

What's the point? The site's hosted in the US (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27251569)

As far as I understand, the site's hosted in the US. What can the Australian authority do about that?

Re:What's the point? The site's hosted in the US (4, Insightful)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251577)

Block Wikipedia in Australia. At least in theory.

Re:What's the point? The site's hosted in the US (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27252063)

Better that than give them the right to censor Wikipedia for the rest of us.

Why are they trying to censor links to the content, though? Isn't censoring the content itself enough?

There are some things we shouldn't see (2, Interesting)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251571)

As much as I'm all for freedom of speech, sometimes I think people take it a little too far by bringing such graphic images into the public square. Anti-abortionist protestors will frequently hold up graphic (bordering on pornographic) posters showing aborted fetii. This is done in full view of children.

I think the internet should be free, but seriously, how much worse off would we be if we didn't have Goatse.cx [goatse.cx] , TubGirl [tubgirl.com] and other shock sites?

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (3, Insightful)

cbrocious (764766) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251585)

I think speech should be free, but seriously, how much worse off would we be if we didn't have Nazi sympathizers and other hate mongers?

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (5, Insightful)

Lieu21 (1218244) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251683)

I think speech should be free, but seriously, how much worse off would we be if we didn't have breast feeding in public and demeaning of social groups?

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (5, Funny)

Capsaicin (412918) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251779)

how much worse off would we be if we didn't have breast feeding in public

We would be very much worse off! The breastfeeding rate would fall. Child abuse in the form of bottle feeding would become rife, with obvious negative effects on future economic and sporting performance as well as the rise in criminal acitivity among abused children. In cases when mothers resisted such bottlefeeding abuse, we would have an increase in the number of hungry babies crying in public. Worse still some mothers might take their babies into public toilets to feed them, the psychopathological effects of which don't bear contemplating!

But yeah, you're right ;)

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (4, Funny)

Lieu21 (1218244) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251885)

You broke it.

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27252057)

I think speech should be free, but seriously, how much worse off would we be if we didn't have people disagreeing and cuss words?

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (5, Insightful)

Wizard Drongo (712526) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251687)

Not very worse off at all.
But sadly there starts the slippery slope. If you give your government power over what speech is "hateful" or not, then it is they who decide just how hateful something must be.
Eventually, the more extreme politicians will have their say, and you'll soon find things that are not hateful on that list.
Then people become used to the idea of the list. Sooner or later someone comes along who wants to add their own little viewpoint in there without the "people" standing up and making a fuss. So the more extreme dissenters of government policy get quietly silenced. no one makes a fuss, after all, you've already banned the racists, homophobes and political extremists, so who will miss a few moaning greenpeacers or aclu-types. They could be dangerous, they stand up for terrorists after all. So dissent gets shut down and ever more extreme political power is yielded.
Do it all over society, as I believe is happening in the UK (protest is now illegal without permits, habeus corpus is suspended at will, it's illegal to say some things now), and you end up in a Police State.
I don't like the Neo Nazis. I'd rather they chose not to say what they say. But I will defend, to the death if needs must, their right to say it.
Someday, I might find myself the lone voice of dissension. I'd hope no matter what my views you'd stand up and support my right to say them.
Otherwise, one day *you* might be that lone voice...

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (2, Insightful)

cbrocious (764766) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251773)

I don't like the Neo Nazis. I'd rather they chose not to say what they say. But I will defend, to the death if needs must, their right to say it. Someday, I might find myself the lone voice of dissension. I'd hope no matter what my views you'd stand up and support my right to say them. Otherwise, one day *you* might be that lone voice...

I agree fully, and that's why my Troll moderation is nonsensical. Apparently I should've laid down the sarcasm a bit more thickly...

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251783)

How right you are! As much as I may dislike what some people may have to say I love that they have the right to speak it. It means that I have that right as well. You can't shut the mouths of those you disagree with without shutting your own mouth as well.

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (0)

mjwx (966435) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251859)

Not that I entirely disagree with you but the problem with free speech as most US citizens would see it (a la Voltaire) is just as dangerous as restricted speech. Ironically enough for the same reason, it absolves responsibility for the speaker, except in the case of Voltaire style free speech there are absolutely no consequences for any hateful act inspired or incited by the speech.

I don't promote limited speech but I do promote that one be held responsible for their speech. Most speech can be free and without consequence but some can be destructive but it is only after that destruction happens that the speaker could be punished. Free speech without consequences will only serve to make free speech worthless as it will be abused. I believe some yanks refer to this as "yelling fire in a crowded theatre".

Otherwise, one day *you* might be that lone voice...

First they came for the Jews and so on, the entire western world has taken steps towards fascism, no point in singling out the UK here, the US with warrant-less wiretaps and detention without charge has done a bit more in the march towards fascism then the UK or other western nations, holding onto some veil of protected speech doesn't change that. But we are all aboard the authoritarian train heading to fascist central so there is no point arguing over who's the worst fascist and if we really need someone to blame, we needn't have to look far.

Already happened. (5, Insightful)

spaceturtle (687994) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251985)

The photos linked to in the article couldn't be really considered hate speech ... hate speech against whom? Not the fetuses, as the site is "pro-life". If publishing photos of dead fetuses is hate speech against pro-choicers then we may as well tear up free speech. (Technically the ACMA censors offensive images as well as hate speech, but still I don't consider the existance of such images offensive if they are not being waved in my face)

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27252043)

I think you are right.
I also think this this censoring crap is getting totally counter productive.
Now I really don't want to care, but it's a bit bugging me, that anyone with a bit of technical knowledge can access the list that get so much attention right now. Actually nobody would care if they would stop this shit, but this way most of us have to care and any actual bad people gets a full database of..
Oh and by the way, because nobody dares to think about children anymore they are getting lonely and an start to get rare.

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (5, Insightful)

Capsaicin (412918) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251729)

I think speech should be free, but seriously, how much worse off would we be if we didn't have Nazi sympathizers and other hate mongers?

... or Christians, Dentists and Travel agents for that matter.

It is arguable that there are some materials so objectionable that ThePeople(tm) in a democracy could ask their governments to ban or restrict general access to them. But that is not the case here! This was meant to be a secret list, which means we have a (supposedly democratically elected) government acting without public oversight. This is to be tolerated only in the rarest cases when it strictly necessary (such as on some issues of national security). What the Australian government is proposing here is intolerable.

Hopefully the release of the list will serve to warn people about the potential scope of the secret list. And hopefully this will strengthen Sen. Xenophon's resolve (and perhaps pursuade some other cross benchers) to scuttle the enabling legislation in the Senate.

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (3, Insightful)

bitrex (859228) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251981)

Who decides what "hatemongering" is? As far as I have been able to tell, at least in the Western world, it currently works like this: Mock a Christian and it's comedy, mock a Muslim and it's free speech, mock a Jew and it's hate. So you think speech should be "free" and yet it should totally be confined to whatever speech the powers-that-be decide is offensive or isn't offensive to different racial or religious groups through obvious application of double standards? What's free about that?

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251989)

Very, because the very worst of us at least have the function of testing how much freedom we really do have. Once society starts selecting which views can be public and which can't, then ALL of our heads are on the chopping block because that means we are only allowed to express thoughts society lets us express. Great if you're a huge conformist, not so great if you want to think independently. Do you really want to put yourself at the mercy of Leviathan?

What's scary is, liberals tend to like that idea because adhering to the norms and expectations of society and thinking in terms of what's good and functional for society is more important than thinking in terms of individual rights (unless they feel those individual rights ultimately serve society) and conservatives want to PROMOTE STANDARDS and edicts in their holy book.

They're all the same.

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27251613)

Break some eggs to make an omlette?

Lets reverse that statement. Who cares if we can't debate the governments new law to kill all black people, so long as I don't have to look at offensive signs held up by anti abortion protesters!

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27251627)

Well I don't know about protesters holding up graphic images in public, but concerning shock sites:

The internet is not for children. It is not PG-13. It requires parental supervision, like so many other activities.

You're Trolling... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27251671)

The correct plural of foetus is foetuses or foeti, not fetii.

Re:You're Trolling... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27251755)

mmmmmmm... foeti

Re:You're Trolling... (4, Funny)

Hecatonchires (231908) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251875)

That reminds me, who's up for veal?

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (3, Insightful)

Ashriel (1457949) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251815)

I think the internet should be free, but seriously, how much worse off would we be if we didn't have censorship groups and "think of the children" advocates?

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (3, Interesting)

Samah (729132) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251927)

I think the internet should be free, but seriously, how much worse off would we be if we didn't have censorship groups and "think of the children" advocates?

Well, Australia would have an R18+ video game classification, for one thing.

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 5 years ago | (#27252125)

Well said and it implies the trial was maybe not a complete waste. Think how much funnier it is now the pet senator [wikipedia.org] of one of those groups, having bartered his senate chips for mandatory blacklists, is forced into the position of voting on a blacklist that has the nasty side effect of banning his most ardent supporters....oppps....mind your step on the way out senator...

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (3, Informative)

GrahamCox (741991) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251829)

... aborted fetii...

Your speech is certainly free - very free. Hint: "Fetii" isn't a word. I think you mean foetuses (or fetuses, if you insist on using the bastardised version of the language that is American English).

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (1)

FutureDomain (1073116) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251921)

It's proper Latin, you insensitive clod!

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (1)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251831)

As much as I'm all for freedom of speech, sometimes I think people take it a little too far by bringing such graphic images into the public square.

That IS NOT what happened. It is just a TEXT link, clearly labelled and you proceed at your own risk if you want to see it.

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (1)

Jimbob The Mighty (1282418) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251841)

Yes, there are somethings that perhaps I do not want to see. And I am perfectly capable of choosing what they are for myself.

Pornographic? (3, Insightful)

spaceturtle (687994) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251951)

You find photos of dead fetuses remotely pornographic? How?

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (1)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251999)

I think the internet should be free, but seriously, how much worse off would we be if we didn't have Goatse.cx [goatse.cx], TubGirl [tubgirl.com] and other shock sites?

It would be much worse off. Having censorship (like this) would be equivalent to not having an Internet. When governments, ISPs or special interest groups can determine what is normal and decent to look at and what is not normal and decent to look at then most of the advantages of having an Internet are extinguished to nothing more than a heavily regulated, private Bulletin Board System (akin to the early 1990s, but far less free).

If people don't like what's on the Internet then they shouldn't use it. Otherwise leave the rest of us alone. Throughout history governments and organizations have been censoring to the detriment of society. Throughout history these tyrants have said they are doing it for the good of society. People don't seem to be able to learn from history. We need the Internet to be more decentralized and immune from censorship as possible so that people aren't victim to censorship and the myriad excuses used to justify it.

You let me have some goatse.cx, and maybe the Chinese might let people have some Falun Gong, and maybe I will let America have some Scientology sites, or maybe even some of the perversions of Rush Limbaugh. Sometimes all or nothing is the most sensible way to go.

uncomfortable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27252021)

Maybe these images are forcing you to face some uncomfortable truths about your own abortion opinions. The images look too human to you. When faced with these images, you are unable to deny the humanity of the unborn. You can't objectify them.

Re:uncomfortable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27252045)

And when I view goatse, I am unable to deny the humanity of that man's gaping ass.

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (4, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 5 years ago | (#27252053)

Anti-abortionist protestors will frequently hold up graphic (bordering on pornographic) posters showing aborted fetii. This is done in full view of children.

Sorry, how can you possibly link an aborted fetus to pornography?

Either learn to make a proper counter argument, or stop using the "For the CHILDRENZ" argument. Both will help you look less like a fool here on slashdot.

Secondly, while I don't disagree that we wouldn't be worse off without the two sites you mentioned - I do STRONGLY disagree that sites that for example promote anti-abortion should be disallowed. (For the record I am pro-abortion). My point is if the law was passed to block child porn sites, okay, block child porn sites. Don't start using it to block anything you want on a secret list that you can't discuss.

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (1)

tirefire (724526) | more than 5 years ago | (#27252095)

Stop trying to protect children from reality.

Re:There are some things we shouldn't see (1)

carlzum (832868) | more than 5 years ago | (#27252097)

As much as I'm all for freedom of speech, sometimes I think people take it a little too far by bringing such graphic images into the public square. Anti-abortionist protestors will frequently hold up graphic (bordering on pornographic) posters showing aborted fetii. This is done in full view of children.

My beef with abortion protesters isn't with their right to use graphic images to support their argument. I doubt they've received any form of consent to use the images. It's distasteful from the patient's perspective to abortion-rights advocates and from the child's perspective to pro-life advocates. I dislike the campaign's tactic for the same reason, a political site, or even pornography, would have been a better choice.

Also, there's a difference between street corners and targeted communication like Web sites and pamphlets. Forcing graphic images on people robs them of their right to avoid them.

Oblig XKCD (0)

rockNme2349 (1414329) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251575)

Please mod me down.

http://xkcd.com/545/ [xkcd.com]

Re:Oblig XKCD (0, Offtopic)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251595)

You're one of these guys, [xkcd.com] aren't you?

Apostrophe's (1)

jginspace (678908) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251591)

"the lead up to it's removal"

http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif [angryflower.com]

Re:Apostrophe's (1)

Gibbs-Duhem (1058152) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251669)

It's meta funny because the comic's claimed grammar rules actually make it sound like "it's" can be either "it is" or "its" (possessive)

The entire list is now on-line at wikileaks (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27251597)

Firehose story here [slashdot.org]

Re:The entire list is now on-line at wikileaks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27252101)

Is wikileaks up for you at the moment? I'm on a ISP that is on the content filtering scheme and wikileaks has been unavailable to me all day. It hasn't come up with a red blocked screen yet however, which did happen to another website I tried to visit a couple of days ago...

don't want to be used to prove a point? (3, Funny)

liquidsin (398151) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251611)

i was pretty sure that's what wikipedia is for

Re:don't want to be used to prove a point? (1)

broken_chaos (1188549) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251617)

No, they just want to be a record of all points.

Well, all points that someone at Wikipedia takes a liking to.

Why they did it. (3, Funny)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251659)

Using wikipedia to prove this point might endanger their donations. Lack of donations equates to not as many expensive dinners out for the higher ups and that has to be avoided at all costs.

Re:Why they did it. (1)

Ashriel (1457949) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251851)

I don't know about that. If the administration had taken a public stance that they weren't going to take down the link no matter what, I would've been motivated to donate to Wikipedia for the first time ever.

Error in story (4, Informative)

spazzm (545624) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251663)

The link has not been removed. It is at the bottom of WikiPedia's ACAM article as "Prohibited link".
The story pretty much describes the opposite of what happened - the page was protected because a minority of users (many of them IP users without a login) kept on removing the link.

Re:Error in story (3, Informative)

broken_chaos (1188549) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251713)

Check the history. The link was removed when the page was protected, and then re-added by someone else seven hours later for reason: "Restoring state to prevent a witch hunt or anything. Could people please assume good faith in future?".

Definitely sounds like a bit of an internal edit war, etc.

Re:Error in story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27251825)

Check the history again. The link in the main text may be disappearing and reappearing, but the link at the bottom of the page is was there both when the page was protected and when I checked a few seconds ago.

Re:Error in story (2, Interesting)

broken_chaos (1188549) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251917)

Link at the bottom of the page was removed 15 minutes after inital the protection by the same administrator who protected the page. Personally, I considered that short enough a time to consider it "at the same time". Approximately seven hours later (significantly longer than the initial 15 minutes) it was added back by another administrator.

Diff in question is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Communications_and_Media_Authority&diff=278141091&oldid=278071658 [wikipedia.org]

Re:Error in story (1)

spazzm (545624) | more than 5 years ago | (#27252005)

>Link at the bottom of the page was removed 15 minutes after inital the protection by the same administrator who protected the page.

Nope, the protection was applied by SoWhy here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Communications_and_Media_Authority&diff=278062010&oldid=278060875 [wikipedia.org]

The link was removed by VirtualSteve approximately one and a half hour later. VirtualSteve also removes and re-applies the protection. Scarian then re-inserts the link nearly seven hours later.

Re:Error in story (1)

spazzm (545624) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251905)

Nope, the link has was there when the page was protected, immediately after and when I checked a few seconds ago.
Maybe you're confusing the link we're talking about (at the bottom of the WP page) with the one that keeps being added and removed from within the WP text?

Re:Error in story (1)

z0idberg (888892) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251741)

So is anyone able to see if any of those IP addresses are from the ACMA offices?

Update: full block list available on wikileaks (4, Informative)

serps (517783) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251673)

For those who are interested, the Sydney Morning herald reports [smh.com.au] that the full internet filter list has been leaked. It's pretty interesting - there's a lot of not-actually-illegal content on it (including a dentist's site?).

It's interesting to note that this is the minimum that will be blocked in Australia; the gov may (and will) add to this. This sounds like much more of a test of the censors than what TFA writes about...

Re:Update: full block list available on wikileaks (1)

broken_chaos (1188549) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251751)

Wikileaks seems to, unfortunately, not be loading right now... Anyone have a mirror?

Re:Update: full block list available on wikileaks (2, Interesting)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251757)

Is that link Slashdotted or am I being blocked?

Re:Update: full block list available on wikileaks (1, Insightful)

thegrassyknowl (762218) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251787)

It won't surprise me if the list has been updated to include Wikileaks. It seems that the site is not responding, but that could be the slashdot effect kicking in.

What really offends me about this mess is that (AFIK) images of aborted babies are not illegal to look at, even if they are gory and sickening to a lot of people. In fact, these very images can serve as educational material AGAINST abortion because most people don't really believe that there's a little person in there yet until the day they give birth... it would serve well to show the gruesome things that are done in the name of "choice" (I am pro-choice, but I think education on the facts is still worthwhile).

Government controlled secret censorship lists are a bad bad thing. Conroy did a bad bad thing (I could go the whole way with a parody of Chris Isaak here). Why are they fearing making the list public? If all the sites are required to be blocked by ISPs then there should be no way Australians can access the 'disgusting' material on the list anyway. *sighs*

Re:Update: full block list available on wikileaks (1)

mrsurb (1484303) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251855)

Why are they fearing making the list public? If all the sites are required to be blocked by ISPs then there should be no way Australians can access the 'disgusting' material on the list anyway. *sighs*

The censorship is currently undergoing a trial... not all ISPs are involved, notably the big ones. I'm Aussie and I'm against the censorship - I think that there are real ethical and technical problems with the scheme that has been proposed. I do not trust either the current government or any likely alternatives not to use this to their political advantage. But this partial censorship is just farcical!

mirrors (3, Informative)

serps (517783) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251803)

Re:mirrors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27251881)

If wikileaks was being blocked I would expect to see a bit more action here:

HerdictWeb report for wikileaks.org [herdict.org]

Re:mirrors (3, Informative)

SpazmodeusG (1334705) | more than 5 years ago | (#27252015)

Errr... Australia is currently marked as red on that chart. It is the only country not to have access to wikileaks.
Iran, China, Russia are all fine. You can access wikileaks from there. We Australians can't though.

Re:mirrors (1)

bug1 (96678) | more than 5 years ago | (#27252009)

None of those sites work for me. (im in aus btw)

Re:mirrors (2, Informative)

bug1 (96678) | more than 5 years ago | (#27252023)

woops, false alarm, tin foil hat removed...

Re:Update: full block list available on wikileaks (1)

antic (29198) | more than 5 years ago | (#27252011)

Stephen Conroy has since said that the leaked list is not the actual/current ACMA blacklist.

Either way, the blacklist is a fucking stupid idea and I'm ashamed that any mainstream group are pushing for it.

Links are there and locked, now (4, Informative)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251689)

"Editors at Wikipedia have removed a link to a blacklisted web site ....

You might hope that Slashdot editors would CLICK ON THE FUCKING LINKS THEY POST and see the story is wrong at the time of being published. The current version of the page does indeed include the links, and it's been locked. Of course, the part of it being the subject of an edit war was true, and the linked Discussion page is a warzone.

Re:Links are there and locked, now (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251701)

/. editors don't edit.

Re:Links are there and locked, now (3, Funny)

Hecatonchires (231908) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251891)

They enable?

*** GOVERMENT IS ASSISTING DIST. OF CHILD PORN *** (2, Informative)

overbaud (964858) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251703)

Remember is order to ban these sites public servants have to visit them and view the content. As a result the images are downloaded both to their local machines AND departmental AND isp proxy caches. This means that not only are public servants viewing child porn (in order to classify it) but actively distributing it to others servers. The administrators of these server are probably unaware that individuals on behalf of the Australian government are causing child porn to be placed in their servers. Further for proxy servers to work they need to keep a list of servers visited, this would include the banned servers. Heaven forbid their cache list becomes public.

Re:*** GOVERMENT IS ASSISTING DIST. OF CHILD PORN (4, Insightful)

broken_chaos (1188549) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251737)

Such a banned list also inevitably leaks out, and provides a *huge* number of links to such sites, which is even more disturbing to me...

Re:*** GOVERMENT IS ASSISTING DIST. OF CHILD PORN (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27252121)

Remember is order to ban these sites public servants have to visit them and view the content.

C'mon, that would involve work. This is a government department we're talking about here.

So that's why Barrys page gets edited all the time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27251721)

I wonder how many secret service agents it takes to work around the clock to scrub out the truth?

Re:So that's why Barrys page gets edited all the t (1)

Hecatonchires (231908) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251897)

In Australia a starting ASIO Intelligence Analyst role was going quite cheaply - before 9/11 anyway.

Re:So that's why Barrys page gets edited all the t (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27251907)

All 110 percent of them. (That's not a typo)

I've already moderated so can't post logged in.

The censorship has started. (1)

mcsporran (832624) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251849)

I try to get to Wikileaks from my Australian (state) government computer, and I'm getting a error 504.

Exactly the type of stupidity that believes this filtering will serve any useful purpose, also believes that blocking wikileaks serves some useful purpose. They can't even begin to understand.

We haven't even started "protecting the children" yet, and already we have a list of thousands of unpleasant sites, in the wild, and available to any determined individual of whatever age.

I so hate seeing my money spent on such clueless "policy", the insane idea that things will be the way they wish, if they just make enough rules.

Re:The censorship has started. (5, Insightful)

broken_chaos (1188549) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251933)

Cool down a notch or two there. I'm in Canada, and Wikileaks isn't loading either. Slashdot effect or other server problems, I expect.

Re:The censorship has started. (1)

Grail (18233) | more than 5 years ago | (#27252079)

Of course, if the Aussie Guvmint had asked a favour of the DHS folks (heh "DHS" is a courier service here in Oz), someone could have just "accidentally" cut a few power cables to the data center.

Heck, it's (almost) happened to people playing EVE online, why wouldn't a real-world Government do the same thing?

Wikileaks currently unavailable (1)

hatblack (1493387) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251857)

After noticing the ABC report (3 hrs after published at http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/19/2520591.htm [abc.net.au] ), wikileaks is currently not accessible. AFAIK, my ISP is not part of the recent filtering trials, so dont know why I am being blocked. Will need to do a little digging. In the meantime, it would be interesting to know if others can reach the site, and especially the AU blacklist page.

Re:Wikileaks currently unavailable (1)

SanguineV (1197225) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251915)

I was able to reach Wikileaks when the story was posted on the Sydney Morning Herald, but not since. Probably been slashdotted... by everyone who reads the news in Australia. :P

Re:Wikileaks currently unavailable (3, Funny)

overbaud (964858) | more than 5 years ago | (#27252109)

The irony is that many people will see the /. effect as censorship in action.

Re:Wikileaks currently unavailable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27252133)

Fuck the ABC report. People worldwide are having problems accessing the sites...

But just look at some of the filth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27251887)

This was on the list!!!

http://files.kavefish.com/pictures/collections/funny_cat_pictures/_index-list.html ... btw, pointing to that link could cost you $11k in Oz

Most Nerds... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27251893)

Most slashdot nerds are really into "racial equality" and "social justice" because they think it's a fantastic example of libertarian ideals, and that by loving browns and mud people they'll somehow get in the pants of "hip stylish urban women" who love to agonize over the supposed crimes of whites against "oppressed minorities."

It's all fun and gams and a nice intellectual exercise until you get a gang of 15 ghetto Bantu niggers in your face on the subway or on a dark street, screaming "yo muffukka fukin' cracka," hooting and hollerin' about "muh dick" and preparing to beat you to death for your iPod. What are you gonna do then, nerdles? Tell them how you're cool with their urban culture? Talk about your Linux experience? Yeah. Keep telling yourself all people are equal, and that brown people are humans. When you're constantly told by the media that race doesn't matter, you should rightly conclude that it's the only thing that matters.

Re:Most Nerds... (2, Funny)

theolein (316044) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251995)

..... and that by loving browns and mud people they'll somehow get in the pants of "hip stylish urban women" who love to agonize over the supposed crimes of whites against "oppressed minorities."......

Sounds very much like you're agonising over the fact that those "hip stylish urban women" won't let you into their pants and you're blaming everyone else for it. Sad, man.

What exactly are they trying to prove? (1)

jrumney (197329) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251937)

Wikipedia is not located in Australia, and I fail to see where "double-standards" would come into it, as the wiki page is clearly not under control of the Aussie net censors. So what is the point that the activists are trying to prove [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:What exactly are they trying to prove? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27252001)

Who gives a flying crap? People edit Wikipedia to make whatever damn point they want, and if there's some controversy, you can bet there's somebody stirring it up by trying to push their agenda regardless of how close it is to reasonable or truthful.

Or effective.

One of the reasons I left the place was because it just got too apparent how much nonsense was shaping the behavior there.

As an Aussie (1)

boyter (964910) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251953)

Please everyone who is not in Australia or an Australian help distribute this list. Conroy (the arsehat behind the whole thing) has said he will hunt down any aussie who helps destribute the list.

Re:As an Aussie (1)

Barny (103770) | more than 5 years ago | (#27252111)

I say we wrap the list into every torrent for every recent released TV show, its a trivial amount of extra data, and it means a huge amount of aussies are "helping to distribute it" :)

Moving to China (1)

theolein (316044) | more than 5 years ago | (#27251965)

At least there I know I'm being censored and for what.

Civil disobedience (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27252049)

I'm an Australian and I just downloaded the blacklist. Now what is ACMA going to do about it? I am tempted to start printing off the list and handing it out to strangers as a list of "all the good sites on the Internet". From a quick scan most of it looks to be random pron sites, they would have never gotten away with actually banning that many pron sites. Aussies love their porn. Though maybe they didn't ban the big pay ones as a thanks for all those anonymous donations.

Oh, and they have all the *chans. /b/ might almost be readable again if they ban all us Aussies.

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