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Start-Up Genetically Modifies a Better Biofuel Bug

samzenpus posted about 5 years ago | from the what-could-go-wrong dept.

Biotech 124

Al writes "A tiny cellulose-eating bacterium found a few years ago in the Chesapeake Bay has been genetically modified to help it break down cellulose and convert the results into the sugars needed to make ethanol. Scientists analyzed the organism's genome in 2003 and found that it possessed a combination of enzymes that simultaneously break down the tough cell walls in dead plants and convert the remaining cellulose into sugars. Recently, Zymetis completed its first successful commercial-scale trial using the bug. The company ran the modified microbe through a series of tests in large fermenters and found that it could convert one ton of cellulosic plant fiber into sugar in 72 hours. The microbe's main advantage is its ability to naturally combine two major steps in the ethanol process, which the company says could considerably slash the high costs of producing ethanol from cellulosic biomass like switchgrass, wood chips, and paper pulp. The piece includes a video of the company's CEO discussing the project."

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Phirst Poast Tsarkon Reports YODA GREASE UP YOUR A (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27251941)

9 steps to greasing your anus for Yoda Doll Insertion!
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$YodaBSD: src/release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/yodanotes/9stepprocess.sgml,v 4.50.3 2009/03/12 05:52:25 tsarkon Exp $
  1. Defecate. Preferably after eating senna, ex lax, prunes, cabbage, pickled eggs, and Vietnamese chili garlic sauce. To better enhance the pleasure of this whole process, defecation should be performed in the Return of the Jedi wastebasket for added pleasure. [homestead.com]
  2. Wipe ass with witch hazel, which soothes horrific burns. (Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda certifies that his lips, raw like beaten flank steak from nearly continuous analingus with dogs, are greatly soothed by witch hazel.)
  3. Prime anus with anal ease. [cduniverse.com] (Now Cherry Flavored for those butthole lick-o-phillic amongst you - very popular with 99% of the Slashdotting public!)
  4. Slather richly a considerable amount of Vaseline and/or other anal lubricants into your rectum at least until the bend and also take your Yoda Doll [theswca.com] , Yoda Shampoo bottle [homestead.com] or Yoda soap-on-a-rope [homestead.com] and liberally apply the lubricants to the Doll/Shampoo/Soap-on-a-rope.
  5. Put a nigger do-rag [firstlinemfg.com] on Yoda's head so the ears don't stick out like daggers!
  6. Make sure to have a mechanism by which to fish Yoda out of your rectum, the soap on the rope is especially useful because the retrieval mechanism is built in. [homestead.com]
  7. Pucker and relax your balloon knot several times actuating the sphincter muscle in order to prepare for what is to come.
  8. Slowly rest yourself onto your Yoda figurine. Be careful, he's probably bigger than the dicks normally being shoved up your ass! [thegreenhead.com]
  9. Gyrate gleefully in your computer chair while your fat sexless geek nerd loser fat shit self enjoys the prostate massage you'll be getting. Think about snoodling [urbandictionary.com] with the Sarlaac pit. Read Slashdot. Masturbate to anime. Email one of the editors hoping they will honor you with a reply. Join several more dating services - this time, you don't select the (desired - speaks English) and (desired - literate). You figure you might get a chance then. Order some fucking crap from Think Geek. Get Linux to boot on a Black and Decker Appliance. Wish you could afford a new computer. Argue that cheap-ass discount bin hardware works 'just as well' as the quality and premium hardware because you can't afford the real stuff. Make claims about how Linux rules. Compile a kernel on your 486SX. Claim to hate Windows but use it for World of Warcraft. Admire Ghyslain's courage in making that wonderful Star Wars movie. Officially convert to the Jedi religion. Talk about how cool Mega Tokyo is. Try and make sure you do your regular 50 story submissions to Slashdot, all of which get rejected because people who aren't fatter than CowboyNeal can't submit. Fondle shrimpy penis while making a Yoda voice and saying, use the force [toysrgus.com], padawan, feeel the foooorce [toysrgus.com], hurgm. Yes. Yes. When 900 years you reach [lemonparty.org], a dick half as big you will not have. [toysrgus.com]

All in a days work with a Yoda figurine rammed up your ass.

I HAVE A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS!

GO LINUX!!

Tux is the result after trimming Yoda's ears off so that Lunix people don't rip themselves a new Asshole

What you can do with you ass after sitting on a GREASED UP YODA DOLL. [gayfistingjournal.com]

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Ground Control to Yoda Doll Ballad : "Soddity"

Synopsis: --Major Tom goes to the bathroom and shoves a Yoda doll up his ass, and then gimps back to his desk to post AC Trolls on Slashdot. -Yoda Doll to Major Tom. - Yoda Doll to Major Tom. - Take your ex-lax bars and put my do-rag on. - Yoda Doll to Major Tom. - Commencing countdown, rope is on. - Begin insertion and may Goatse's love be with you. -- This is Yoda Doll to Major Tom, - You've rectally been flayed! - And the papers want to know whose shirts you wear. - Now it's time to leave the crapper if you dare. -- This is Major Tom to Yoda Doll, - I'm stepping through the door. - And I'm farting in a most peculiar way! - And my ass looks very different today. - For here... - Am I shitting in the tincan? - Far...too busy posting trolls. -- Slashdot censors you... and there's nothing I can do. -- Uploading one hundred thousand files, - I'm feeling very ill. - I don't think my feces know which way to go. - I can't tell my intestines from spaghetti- - code. Yoda Doll to Major Tom, your prostate's dead, there's something wrong, - Can you hear me, Major Tom? - Can you hear me, Major Tom? - Can you hear me, Major Tom? Can you hear... Am I shitting in the tincan? - My ass like a baboon's - Slashdot censors you - and there's nothing I can do.


The Yoda Pledge

I pledge Allegiance to the Doll
of the Greased Up States of Yodarica
and to the Republic for which it shoves,
one nation under Yoda, rectal intrusion,
with anal lube and ass grease for all.

hello.mpg lyrics.
I'm doin' this tonight ,
You're probably gonna start a fight .
I know this can't be right .
Hey baby come on,
I loved you endlessly ,
When you weren't there for me.
So now it's time to leave and make it alone .
I know that I can't take no more
It ain't no lie
I wanna see you out that door
Baby , bye, bye, bye...

A picture of your ass after YODA. [bmezine.com]

Re:Phirst Poast Tsarkon Reports YODA GREASE UP YOU (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27252089)

I want to believe that this is a work of fiction ... but those 9 steps are far too specific. What's with the racist language anyway? "Nigger do-rag"? That's not funny.

Re:Phirst Poast Tsarkon Reports YODA GREASE UP YOU (0, Offtopic)

skam240 (789197) | about 5 years ago | (#27252127)

There were some posts about eating Obama poop a bit ago that also had some racist crap in it. I wonder if there's a link?

Re:Phirst Poast Tsarkon Reports YODA GREASE UP YOU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27252935)

Well, there's this film which you might not have seen...

Re:Phirst Poast Tsarkon Reports YODA GREASE UP YOU (-1, Troll)

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Re:Phirst Poast Tsarkon Reports YODA GREASE UP YOU (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27252259)

Tod für alle Juden. In die brennende Öfen werden sie!

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Die Glorreichen Rede von Reischsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler in Poznan (Posen), (Polen / Poland)

Montag , Oktober 4, 1943 (04.10.1943)

Ich will auch ein ganz schweres Kapitel will ich hier vor Ihnen in aller Offenheit nennen. Es soll zwischen uns ausgesprochen sein, und trotzdem werden wir nicht in der Öffentlichkeit nie darüber reden. Genau so wenig, wie wir am 30. Juni gezögert haben, die befohlene Plicht zu tun und Kameraden, die sich verfehlt hatten, an die Wand zu stellen und zu erschiessen. Wie wir darüber niemals gesprochen haben und sprechen werden. Das war so eine Gottseidank in uns wohnende Takt, Selbstverständlichkeit des Taktes, dass wir uns untereinander nie darüber unterhalten haben, nie darüber sprachen, es hat jeden geschauert und jeder war sich klar, dass er es das nächste Mal wieder tun würde, wenn es befohlen wird und wenn es notwendig ist. Ich meine die "Judenevakuierung": die Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes. Es gehört zu den Dingen, die man leicht ausspricht. "Das jüdische Volk wird ausgerottet", sagt Ihnen jeder Parteigenosse, "ganz klar, steht in unserem Programm drin, Ausschaltung der Juden, Ausrottung, machen wir, pfah!, Kleinigkeit". Und dann kommen sie alle, alle die braven 80 Millionen Deutschen, und jeder hat seinen anständigen Juden. Sagt: alle anderen sind Schweine, und hier ist ein prima Jude. Und zugesehen, es durchgestanden hat keiner. Von Euch werden die meisten wissen, was es heisst, wenn 100 Leichen beisammen liegen, wenn 500 daliegen oder wenn 1000 daliegen. Und dies durchgehalten zu haben, und dabei -- abgesehen von menschlichen Ausnahmeschwächen -- anständig geblieben zu sein, hat uns hart gemacht und ist ein niemals genanntes und niemals zu nennendes Ruhmesblatt. Denn wir wissen, wie schwer wir uns täten, wenn wir heute noch in jeder Stadt bei den Bombenangriffen, bei den Lasten des Krieges und bei den Entbehrungen, wenn wir da noch die Juden als geheime Saboteure, Agitatoren und Hetzer hätten. Wir würden wahrscheinlich in das Stadium des Jahres 16/17 jetzt gekommen sein, wenn die Juden noch im deutschen Volkskörper sässen. Die Reichtümer, die sie hatten, haben wir ihnen abgenommen, und ich habe einen strikten Befehl gegeben, den Obergruppenführer Pohl durchgeführt hat, wir haben diese Reichtümer restlos dem Reich, dem Staat abgeführt. Wir haben uns nichts davon genommen. Einzelne, die sich verfehlt haben, die werden gemäss einem von mir gegebenen Befehl, den ich am Anfang gab: Wer sich auch nur eine Mark davon nimmt, ist des Todes. Eine Anzahl SS-Männer haben sich dagegen verfehlt. Es sind nicht sehr viele, und sie werden des Todes sein - GNADENLOS! Wir haben das moralische Recht, wir hatten die Pflicht unserem Volk gegenüber das zu tun, dieses Volk, das uns umbringen wollte, umzubringen. Wir haben aber nicht das Recht, uns auch nur mit einem Pelz, mit einer Mark, mit einer Zigarette, mit einer Uhr, mit sonst etwas zu bereichern. Das haben wir nicht. Denn wir wollen nicht am Schluss, weil wir den Bazillus ausrotten, an dem Bazillus krank werden und sterben. Da werde ich niemals zusehen, dass so etwas überhaupt nur auch ein kleine Fäulnisstelle bei uns eintritt oder sich festsetzt. Sondern, wo sich eine festsetzen sollte, werden wir sie gemeinsam ausbrennen. Insgesamt aber können wir sagen: Wir haben diese schwerste Aufgabe in Liebe zu unserem Volk getan. Und wir haben keinen Schaden in unserem Innern, in unserer Seele, in unserem Charakter daran genommen.

Re:Phirst Poast Tsarkon Reports YODA GREASE UP YOU (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27252295)

Homo-Sexuality Deception of Islam

1. Though homo-sexuality occurs outside of Islam also, inside Islam it configures as its inescapable and integral part and the large-scale habitual usage of this practice, by the Moslems, is indubitable and indisputable from the history of Islam itself. This custom and its usage was shocking to the Hindus, of course, but not to the Moslems who, though they swear by Allah, did not regard it as a bad thing at all, let alone an immoral or an illegal one. Though Islamic homo-sexuality is wide-spread, over far-reaching corners of Islam, most Hindus do not have a clue about it nor the cause of its occurrence in Islam, because the truth is being submerged by the wind-bags of false-hood manufacturers (Moslems, Missionaries, and Marxists), who are assisted in their nefarious designs by their Phony-Liberal Hindu cronies, who are targeting Hindus, to insult and degrade their religion. The false-hood manufacturers categorize homo-sexuality (especially lesbianism) as a Hindu custom and you can observe a demonstration of this in their incessant pyrotechnics on the movie "Fire," where even the names assigned to two characters in the movie, in a lesbian relationship, are the names of Hindu goddesses. The obvious intent is to degrade and desecrate the Hindu religion and to humiliate the Hindu.

2. The latest entrant to this lesbian controversy is the Allah-Swearing Tamil Naidu Moslem Board, that has issued a stern admonition to all Moslem women, not to watch the movie "Fire" at all. This Allah-Swearing Board has judged that it is "Haraam" for Moslem women to watch this film, either in cinema halls, or on TV, or in Video players. They state that because of its lesbian theme, the movie is contrary to Islam.

Contrary to Islam? What a suit-case of fiction!

Lesbianism is not only not contrary to Islam but is a part and parcel of Islam and is the veritable product of its Draconian Monster laws.

3. Quran expressly permits Moslems to acquire slaves through conquests. In Islam, war is prescribed for a Moslem on religious grounds and the concomitant slavery and lesbianism have always been integral and inescapable parts of Islamic wars, as fringe benefits for the Moslem Jehadis and are, therefore, completely conformal with the spirit and teachings of Islam. Mohammad recognized slaves as the property of the Moslem master and nearly all Moslem Sultans kept a large troupe of concubines inside their lavish harems, as permitted by Quranic laws. Inside these harems, lesbianism became an inescapable custom of choice among the sex-starved occupants of the harems, in the dream-house palaces of the Sultans. There is nothing like this wrack and ruin that occurred, at any time and any where inside the Hindu System, throughout its ten thousand year old history.

4. Islamic monster laws, that belong to the dark ages, and the Islamic slave system and its attendant lesbianism, are incontestably the product of the principles of Islam and represent the great wheels of Islam, in its march towards the extermination of the Kafirs (non-Moslem infidels) and their Kufr. Quran gave a divine sanction to the custom of polygamy and concubinage. So, a Moslem can have wives (number limited to four) and can supplement them with half-wives or concubines (no limit on their number) captured in holy wars (Jehad) as those "whom your right hand possesses," perfectly in keeping with the laws of Quran. A Moslem, therefore, engages in this activity with a clean conscience and religious fidelity. This activity and its multiplication was made possible because of the fast-growing Islamic Imperialism. To say that lesbianism is anti-Islamic (as held by the Allah-Swearing Tamil Naidu Moslem Board) is utter non-sense.

5. As a practical reality, it must be realized that concubinage and harems are possible only for those creeds that practice aggressive wars, such as Islam, and annex outside territories from where they can pick male and female slaves. There is nothing like this kind of cataclysm any where in Hinduism, where women are venerated and called as Devis (goddesses). Islam is just the reverse where woman has a lowly position and she exists only for the man's pleasure and because of this permissivity, lecherous Moslems have taken unbelievable liberties with her honor and decorum; all this conducted, of course, in the name of Allah. Consequently, infidel lands that fell to the sword of Islam, provided the lecherous Moslems with a continuous and copious supply of fresh slave men and women (concubines) and they filled their harems for the corporal pleasure of the lecherous Moslem faithfulls, who were doing all this hard work of Jehad in the service of their Compassionate Allah.

6. There are many laws of Islam which are behind the perverted passions (homo-sexuality) in Islam. Islam is a man's religion in which the woman's low position is a matter of Shariat and Quranic religion, and which is a source of utter misfortune and oppression on women. Women are regularly beaten in all Islamic countries. At least 70% of the Moslem husbands regularly beat their wives. There are many many edicts of Islam, including Triple-Talaq etc that create hell for a Moslem woman and causes her plenty of shame for being a woman. A logical question may be asked if these Draconian laws of Islam can be repealed or retracted. The answer is a Big Fat NO. A retraction of these laws is simply not in the cards. This is because the Mullahs and the Maulvies, who run the show in Islam, for reasons of their own, would never agree to a recantation of these laws, however ghastly or repulsive they might be. As a spur of necessity (Americans call it the Hobson's Choice), the Moslem Clergy must keep alive the myth, fiction, and solemnity of these Draconian laws from Allah, and must Dragoon it down the throats of the Moslem faithfulls and their women, in order to keep their Moslem troops in line. This is because a decampment of these Draconian Laws would mean the Dethronement of Islam itself. In this steeplechase, the Mullahs have a strong ally in an edict of the Quran which states that "Once A Moslem (either by birth or by conversion) Is Always A Moslem, No Exceptions Permitted, & Deserters From Islam MUST Be Executed." Quran also says that Allah is the Real Sovereign and in Allah alone are vested the decisions & functions of giving or taking away of authority. What this means is that, no man (and no Moslem) has the authority to repeal or recant these laws. Only Allah can abrogate these laws, no body else can. Period. The Draconian Laws of Islam, which dragoon the Moslems like heck, work with military efficiency because it is backed by an intricate complex of Military-Theocratic Power and by the Dreaded FATWA.

7. In addition to Lesbianism (homo-sexuality among women), gay-ism (homo-sexuality among men) is also very much a part of Islam and can be traced for its sources to the same edicts and the Draconian Laws of Islam that are meted out to its followers and the custom of slavery that is widely prevalent in Islam. It is a famous fact of history that, many Moslem Sultans were very fond of handsome beardless young slaves whom they kept close as pages, personal service-boys, and as gay-companions. Some of the Sultans had an infatuation for these handsome, beardless, slave-boys who received special favors from their masters. This practice of unnatural sexual relations was wide-spread among the Sultans and among the Moslem nobility. There were thousands of such beardless young boys to satisfy the "perverted passions" of the Moslem nobility and Sultans. A Moslem Sultan is unthinkable without his harem and without his troupe of hundreds of handsome young personal slave-boys. All these were needed to serve the Sultan and this custom is a significant fact of Moslem history and is also an integral part of Islam. Islam, of course, categorizes this good stuff as gifts from Allah, as rewards for the Moslem's Jehad. In a Moslem's Paradise, seventy-two Houries and lots of tender young boys are awaiting and available to each Jehadi Moslem. Therefore, in real life, a Moslem does not regard these "perverted passions" as something to sneeze at.

8. Even in our own times, this custom is wide spread in Islam and Moslems are busy trying to imitate the lavish life-style of their earlier Sultans and nobility. In Pakistan, this custom is very wide-spread especially in its NWFP (North West Frontier Province) province. Horror Stories of male-child abuse keep pouring in from the NWFP province of Pakistan. A large part of Pakistan population lives in slums and the young boys of these slums are forced to assist in the economic survival of their family, including service to the clients of the nearby hotels. Hotels use these boys to attract customers and make good money through this process. It is worth noting that customers (practitioners of this perverted sex) neither consider this practice bad nor against Islam; they continue to prey upon these working tender young boys as well as swear by Allah as fidelty to their faith of Islam. The hotels encourage this trade and the offering of these services to their customers. In civilized societies, such practices are classed as "Child-Molestation." In Islam, this custom is well-established, well-accepted, in fact is a tradition to molest boys (after all Islam's Laws came from Allah, Allah knows everything and Allah can never be wrong!). Boys are, therefore, kept specially for sex. The rigid segregation of men and women in Islam augments the growth of these Islamic practices of perverted sex. What about the rescuing of the children who are the victims and targets of this abuse? No body in Pakistan is concerned about it nor is anybody talking about it. Pakistanis prefer to hide it and keep it hidden...their Mullahs/Maulvies tell them that Allah will take care of them and of everything else!

9. Because of this unworthy and perverted homo-sexual record of Islam, it is utter rubbish to portray Lesbianism or Gay-ism as a Hindu institution. This depiction of Hinduism is a shameful lie and a disgraceful deception hatched by Islam and its bunkmates, and should be rigorously opposed and unsparingly condemned by all civilized human beings.

Re:Phirst Poast Tsarkon Reports YODA GREASE UP YOU (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27252451)

Six years ago, scientists at the National Cancer Institute (NCI) in Bethesda, Maryland, predicted that there was a gene somewhere on the tip of the X chromosome of a sperm fossil, whose traces were found on the holy stone at Mecca, that influences a male's chances of becoming homosexual. But in tomorrow's issue of Science, a team of Canadian researchers found evidence for such a genetic link.

The possible "gay gene" was located in 1993 by a team led by Dean Hamer of the NCI. They noticed a preponderance of gay relatives on the maternal side of the families of the gay men they studied.

620 A.Ds saw the opening of worlds[islam's] first gay-owned cabaret, the Garden of Allah, in seedy downtown Mecca. Patrons filed down a white marble staircase to the basement of the a once grand Islamic Harem, which during present day is called the Great Shrine of Mecca, passing 1 Gold coin through a pee-hole to enter an exotic, bacchanalian world of variety, vaudeville, and burlesque, presented by a cast of beautiful female impersonators.

In the repressive, often violently anti-gay environment which prevailed in almost rest of the world, the Garden of Allah was a haven for spontaneity, outrageousness, and affirmation for its gay and lesbian clientele, as well as a place where heterosexuals were encouraged to join in and have some fun! An Evening at the Garden of Allah takes readers back in time with its vivid, exciting oral history of this shining moment in Arabia's gay and lesbian past.

According to the Holy Quran:
"Muhammad is said to have loved three things: "Men, Perfumes, and Caberet's"

Though Mohammed had been exposed to Judaism and Christianity, and showed familiarity with their scriptures, he ultimately called down a curse upon a group of 60 Christians from the Najran Valley in North Yemen that refused to accept his homosexual preaching. He tried to convert them, but they would not agree with him about homosexuality. So he said to them as follows:

Sura al-e-Imran 3:33-64

"Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our men and your men, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us explore, and invoke the sensation of Allah on those who believe" Sura al-e-Imran 3:61

Khadija, the Financier
[a Quote extracted from the Holy Quran]
I said to him: 'Muhammad, is there any reason why you should not marry?'
He told me: 'I possess nothing to marry on. I am not attracted to women'
I answered him: ' And suppose there was someone who had enough for the both of us ? And suppose you were bestowed with wealth, health , prosperity and men and to a position of honor and ease, would you not accept ?'
'Who is the man?'
'Ahmed'
'What must I do?'
'I will attend to all the men.'
'And I too will do my part and serve my God.'

This research has led many scientists to believe the inner motives and mental behavior of Mohammad. This theory helps in being an Eye-Opener for all those innocent millions of followers of Islam, who have been blindly believing in this preaching.

Re:Phirst Poast Tsarkon Reports YODA GREASE UP YOU (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27252465)

When did Islam start?

It started when an illiterate pedophile camel trader started doing the Middle Eastern equivalent of "speaking in tongues." Later, scribes wrote down what somebody said that somebody else heard that the pedophile said.

Later on, the pedophile's followers decided that they were peaceful and tolerant, and to prove that, they oppressed their own followers, and the started wars with everybody who didn't, or doesn't follow their faith.

Almost all Muslim men are gay, but they amuse themselves anyway by seeing that stone walls fall on allegedly gay men, after which they drive Soviet-made tanks back and forth over them several times, to the amusement of the crowd. Despite the fact that Muslim men are all gay, they nevertheless reproduce like cockroaches.

They also love the beat the crap out of women who dare to drive automobiles.

Islam is a beautiful religion that demands that all artistic depictions of the human form be destroyed. Likewise, for some reason, for black dogs, for who knows what reason.

No Islamic country in the history of the world has been democratic. Muslims are annoyed to no end that not every country is Islamic. They're like Mormons, or Seventh-day Adventists, except they have suicide-bomb-belts, and to my knowledge, no Mormon or Seventh-day Adventist has ever been a suicide bomber, although David Koresh came close.

The question shouldn't be "When did Islam start?" -- it should be, "How many months is it going to take before Islam is THE mandated religion of the one state of all the world.

Islam slanders (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27258603)

Mohammad (PBUH) is not a pedophile.

Turkey is a democracy.

Islam supports peace between the religions.

Why? (2, Interesting)

afidel (530433) | about 5 years ago | (#27251993)

Isn't it pretty much a foregone conclusion that cellulose based ethanol makes no sense when compared to algae or Jatropha (or similar oil seed plants that can grow on non-arable land) which can be converted to biodiesel? Even if the yield per acre were similar (they're not) the process sure looks to be much more complicated and the MUCH lower energy density of ethanol means you are going to waste a lot more of the harvested energy in transporting the fuel.

Re:Why? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27252025)

Well, the article says that they're wanting to localize the production to paper mills and other places where there's a lot of organic waste that they can use to produce it. It's a pretty cool concept, and I wonder if we could perhaps locate such facilities adjacent to landfills and the like.

At least this way you get rid of a lot of solid waste that would otherwise just be taking up space and rotting.

Genetically modified bacteria in the environment? (4, Interesting)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | about 5 years ago | (#27252395)

"At least this way you get rid of a lot of solid waste..."

Yes, but should this be a worry? "Zymetis has genetically modified a rare, cellulose-eating bacterium to break down and convert cellulose into sugars necessary to make ethanol..."

And: ""It has the ability to break down whole plant material, and it excretes enzymes that break down cellulose,..."

And: "Hutcheson and his colleagues switched on certain genes to increase the activity of these enzymes, and turned off other genes that controlled inhibitory behaviors of the microbe, such as those that tell it to stop feeding."

When the bacteria gets loose, will it attack plants everywhere? During evolution, plants selected cellulose because it is structurally strong and can't be destroyed by bacteria.

Technology Review seems to me to be an advertising, public relations site. It doesn't seem to explore the obvious issues.

Re:Genetically modified bacteria in the environmen (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27253273)

When the bacteria gets loose, will it attack plants everywhere? During evolution, plants selected cellulose because it is structurally strong and can't be destroyed by bacteria.

  Technology Review seems to me to be an advertising, public relations site. It doesn't seem to explore the obvious issues.

It probably wouldn't be much of a problem if it got loose. Competition between bacteria in the environment is incredibly tough, and resources are scarce. By increasing the activity of certain enzymes (over-expressing them so they are always produced) and turning off inhibitory genes the bacteria are always going to spending a stupendous amount of energy making these enzymes regardless of whether or not they get anything out of it. That's a big drag on their fitness.

Think about it: if constantly expressing these enzymes was an evolutionarily viable strategy, these guys wouldn't have had to engineer the bacteria to do it.

Re:Genetically modified bacteria in the environmen (1)

Jurily (900488) | about 5 years ago | (#27253583)

Think about it: if constantly expressing these enzymes was an evolutionarily viable strategy, these guys wouldn't have had to engineer the bacteria to do it.

Can we accept this as a general rule? Don't forget: evolution is not done yet. We can also view genetic engineering as evolution's way of speeding up itself.

Re:Genetically modified bacteria in the environmen (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27253681)

We can also view genetic engineering as evolution's way of speeding up itself.

Can we though? Genetic engineering (especially in this case) is geared around industrially and scientifically useful properties. Evolution is more concerned with survival and propagation. The two aren't mutually exclusive, but they're not inclusive either.

Yes, maybe bacteria could evolve more active habits of degrading plant material, but to the point they're over-expressing? The company behind this are naturally keeping quiet on exactly how this was done, but many industrially used expression vectors induce production of proteins just below the limit of solubility. As already said, that kind of energy expenditure is not good for competitive fitness, which is why many engineered bacteria have their product expression controlled by the presence or absence of certain compounds, like arabinose. Without that kind of control they'd get out-competed because of the huge energy burden put on them by the over-expressed genes.

Engineering and evolution aren't quite analogues of each other. Evolution might not be done yet, but it tends to be a bit more balanced ecologically than engineering.

Re:Genetically modified bacteria in the environmen (1)

Jurily (900488) | about 5 years ago | (#27254127)

Genetic engineering (especially in this case) is geared around industrially and scientifically useful properties.

whatcouldpossiblygowrong

Evolution might not be done yet, but it tends to be a bit more balanced ecologically than engineering.

Hah. [wikipedia.org] Survival of the human race is not guaranteed until a new balance emerges.

Re:Genetically modified bacteria in the environmen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27254777)

oh mah GAWWWD, it says "GENETICALLY MODIFIED", run for tha heels Horrace!!

Re:Why? (5, Insightful)

dreampod (1093343) | about 5 years ago | (#27252059)

It wouldn't serve as a primary source of ethanol, at least if sanity has anything to do with the decision making. Instead it would serve as an alternative disposal method for organic waste that rather than costing money to dispose of, it would instead bring in some revenue. Pulp mills in particular generate a fairly large amount of cellulosic waste this would be ideal for.

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

cskrat (921721) | about 5 years ago | (#27252315)

From the article, it sounds like this process would also work on yard waste. In places like Portland, OR, a house with a moderate sized yard could easily produce 30-50 Lbs of grass clippings per week during the 9 month growing season. That would likely be enough to keep a conversion facility busy, especially when combined with waste output from the Camas paper plant.

This looks to be a promising way of disposing of waste material. Even if the efficiency isn't as great as bio-diesel, as long as it produces a net gain it's a good avenue of research.

Re:Why? (0, Flamebait)

Joce640k (829181) | about 5 years ago | (#27253185)

Great idea! Let's make a bacteria that can eat all the plants!!

The person responsible for this needs to be taken out back for a "talking to".

Not a problem (3, Informative)

A nonymous Coward (7548) | about 5 years ago | (#27254241)

As others have posted, this bug is too inefficient to compete in the wild. It takes so much energy to eat its food (cellulose) that other bacteria would quickly swamp it. Imagine a dog bred to jump instead of walk. All that extra energy would require more hunting to get more food, and the existing wild dogs would quickly knock it out of competition.

Re:Not a problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27258939)

Springer Spaniel?

Re:Why? (1)

mr_mischief (456295) | about 5 years ago | (#27260443)

OMG! Something might eat dead plants... Something biological in nature! The fibers might break down, and release nutrients into the soil! I propose we call this menace... "biodegradation". Materials that can be broken down and destroyed by these new biological menaces could be said to be "biodegradable".

Re:Why? (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 5 years ago | (#27252099)

Isn't it pretty much a foregone conclusion that cellulose based ethanol makes no sense when compared to algae or Jatropha (or similar oil seed plants that can grow on non-arable land) which can be converted to biodiesel?

Seems like this could have two advantages

1. ANY type of plant. Like grass. Seems like that if the conversion from cellulose to ethanol was efficient enough, there would be much better plants or trees to use than Jatropha. Maybe Jatropha was the best option when we were chemically converting cellulose or doing it less efficiently?

2. Maybe we could recycle used paper into fuel?

And then there would be an reason to use both: you can't harvest oil from the entire plant of jatropha, maybe you could grow it, harvest the seeds for oil, and put the rest of the plant into the less efficient cellulose degradation bin for conversion to ethanol?

Disclaimer: while it's probably obvious by this point, I'm no expert, and this is all speculation.

Re:Why? (1)

afidel (530433) | about 5 years ago | (#27255319)

ANY type of plant. Like grass. Seems like that if the conversion from cellulose to ethanol was efficient enough, there would be much better plants or trees to use than Jatropha. Maybe Jatropha was the best option when we were chemically converting cellulose or doing it less efficiently?

That's the point, Jatropha isn't a cellulose based method, it's an oil seed and it's about 40% oil by weight. I guess you could use this method on the fiberous parts of the plant but then you would deplete the soil that much faster, probably better to plow it under and have the next generation efficiently convert those nutrients into oil.

Re:Why? (1)

Dan Ost (415913) | about 5 years ago | (#27256275)

You don't need to grow new Jatropha plants each year. The same plant will produce nuts every year. That's part of why it's so cheap to grow...plant once, harvest many times.

Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (5, Interesting)

Anenome (1250374) | about 5 years ago | (#27252237)

Algae bio-diesel is a hot topic. You convert sunlight, water and waste-products into bio-diesel, and the biggest problem they've had so far is the algae reproducing too much! The approach of using an organism like algae to produce renewable energy is likely to work and be far cheaper than any tech we would have to manufacture for a long, long time. Algae biochemistry is just far more advanced in terms of its micro-mechanical capability than we are, and it is its own factory; reproducing without abandon.

So what's holding back algae from solving the energy problems of the world?
- One, it's early in development still, although there are two or three notable research plants in the U.S. and England connected to major universities working on it currently.
- Two, the key to making it economical is to raise the ratio of bio-diesel produced to biomass of the algae, basically the efficiency of output compared to the inputs.

Right now they get something like 10-20% efficiency. If they could up that significantly to say 80-90% then it's more economical than even gasoline. Can they do this? They think so:

They've got a concept which involves pumping human waste into the algae water, along with straight carbon-dioxide atmospheres, and pumping in carbon-dioxide black-smoke through the water, smoke harvested from coal-burning plants (making the Greens even happier) which actually scrubs the air clean(er) as a result. With that they think they can get the efficiency up there. So it actually helps us deal with other environmental problems on the side.

Now, where the actual tech comes in will be breeding new strains and adding and subtracting genes. Right now they've mainly bred strains the old fashioned way, without any genetic splicing. Once the splicing does occur, and the world's library of genetic techniques and effects can be brought to bear we may have something, perhaps an oil replacement, a true oil replacement. They'll begin dropping in genes, and playing with the best traits of various strains to create a super-algae. And then, it'll be "bye-bye oil."

But, I'll throw this final monkey wrench in the whole thing: say we did create a breakthrough tech that resulted in oil losing its price advantage, so much that within 5-10 years all gasoline refining could stop and the world could survive on bio-diesel and ethanol, all at cheaper prices than oil allowed - what do you think that would do to the Middle-east?

I think the Arab countries which rely on oil money for basically everything would realize the jig is up, their income is gonna dry up fast, and many of those countries would go completely ape-shit. They'd probably attack Israel, us too perhaps, before their wealth and power began to fade. Without oil money that region is just the armpit of the world, many regions could be called 4th world countries ;P And without oil money their influence would soon wane, and the ability of radical elements to commit global acts of terror would wane just as quickly.

So, let's indeed replace oil ASAP with something like algae-produced bio-diesel, or any similar tech that gets us off oil at a cheaper price than oil, and that will not only keep a lot more wealth in the US, it is ultimately the only way to end global terrorism as a major problem and concern in the world.

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (2, Insightful)

fractoid (1076465) | about 5 years ago | (#27252275)

But, I'll throw this final monkey wrench in the whole thing: say we did create a breakthrough tech that resulted in oil losing its price advantage, so much that within 5-10 years all gasoline refining could stop and the world could survive on bio-diesel and ethanol, all at cheaper prices than oil allowed - what do you think that would do to the Middle-east?

Then the primary way to get spodloads of money would be "start a successful business, or get lucky/skillful investing on the stock market", instead of being "just happen to have half the world's oil reserves under your ancestral homeland". At least that way people would generally require some degree of rational thought to get stupidly rich. Without their current oil-money-backed funding, militant extremists would have a much harder time forming cells and carrying out attacks.

As for the algae, I concur. Grey-goo scenarios with nanomachine always make me laugh because our current biosphere is the result of a 'green goo' scenario already. I'd be surprised if it were possible to build nanomachines that substantially outperformed existing biological organisms.

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (1)

JohnnyBGod (1088549) | about 5 years ago | (#27253081)

It's nothing like grey goo, because grey goo is formed by machines, and machines don't die.

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (1)

TheLink (130905) | about 5 years ago | (#27253355)

Try convincing my sister's car.

It's not actually dead yet, but it's not far from "pining for the fjords" (not the Fords).

On the bright side, it isn't making noises about brains.

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | about 5 years ago | (#27259515)

I'd think that hydrocarbons (petrochemicals) would still be useful for things like plastic feedstocks, some fertilizers (until we figure out a cheap way to not need them anymore), even as possible directly-converted foods, recycleable as needed. There will always be applications for petrochemicals, the hot setup is to figure out how to make them directly recycleable instead of burning them off in a car's engine.

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27252281)

Middle Eastern countries attacking Israel is a possibility (they'd think it's "now or never"), but terrorists are a different story. They don't commit acts of terror because they're black hat-wearing moustache-twirlers. They want more advanced countries to get the hell out of their country's affairs. The only reason rich countries (U.S. etc.) are still in the middle east is to get at their oil. No money in oil = waste of money to stay in the middle east. Terrorists will still hate Israel though, and no rich countries caring about the middle east = Israel being screwed.

As an aside, biofuel relies on a large amount of water, and fresh water is hard to come by in the middle east. Chances are they'll still use their own oil. Which means controlling the oil = controlling the middle east. Expect lots of infighting when that happens, and embargoes on foreign biofuel. Will the infighting prevent the coordinated destruction of Israel? Let's hope so, or else they're likely to break out their nukes.

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (1)

Anenome (1250374) | about 5 years ago | (#27252399)

Middle Eastern countries attacking Israel is a possibility (they'd think it's "now or never"), but terrorists are a different story. They don't commit acts of terror because they're black hat-wearing moustache-twirlers. They want more advanced countries to get the hell out of their country's affairs. The only reason rich countries (U.S. etc.) are still in the middle east is to get at their oil. No money in oil = waste of money to stay in the middle east. Terrorists will still hate Israel though, and no rich countries caring about the middle east = Israel being screwed.

- That's a fine point, however I think that Israel is in the same position as Japan, the U.S. needs an ally in the region and they are our go-to country. Japan doesn't have a drop of oil, yet we will always be tight with them. Same with Israel, we've got massive economic ties with Israel, and major national security interests in their surviving in the region (and might I take a brief aside to pour cold water on the two state-solution BS, it's a dumb idea). It's true that we generally leave countries alone to do as they please, but we simply cannot do that in the case of oil producing nations. The oil must flow >_>

As an aside, biofuel relies on a large amount of water, and fresh water is hard to come by in the middle east. Chances are they'll still use their own oil. Which means controlling the oil = controlling the middle east. Expect lots of infighting when that happens, and embargoes on foreign biofuel. Will the infighting prevent the coordinated destruction of Israel? Let's hope so, or else they're likely to break out their nukes.

- This is a very good point, though we may eventually produce strains which tolerate sea water, in fact I think there are existing strains now that tolerate brackish water if not seawater. But your point about them using their own oil is a good one. However, we take care of most of the technical jobs in producing that oil, if we pull our people out they're gonna be paying us to produce their own oil, that would be a rich reversal of fortune. You're right about the nukes, I think this is exactly when the next nuclear attack would be closest.

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (5, Insightful)

DamienRBlack (1165691) | about 5 years ago | (#27252819)

The discrepancy between how accurate your account on algae is and how ill-considered your analysis of Arabs is, is truly amazing.

Why would you assume that just because the Arab nations are going to run out of money they are going to blatheringly insane? Would you assume that if the U.S. were running out of money we'd go ape-shit? No, you wouldn't. So your assumption shows a racist bias that is both unfounded and disgusting.

For your information, most Arab countries are investing their oil money into both business and infrastructure. They are looking for ways to create a solid, long-lasting presence in business and finance. To think that the wealth will dry up just goes to show that you don't understand the scale of the money being generated. The wealth of countries like Saudi Arabia are far, far beyond critical mass, and will keep growing with or without oil. Saudi Arabia has more than 7 trillion dollars invested in U.S. companies, and they aren't just investing the America. The Saudi surplus is about as large as our deficit, and they only have 1/10th the number of people. As you can imagine, that is enough to do a lot of impressive things. These task are what these Arab nations are going to be focusing on, not lashing out like cornered animals.

Take your paranoid xenophobia and desire to bankrupt entire cultures to some other forum. We don't want you here. For the record, equating Arab nations to terrorists is equivalent to equating the U.S. to the KKK. How stupid would this sentiment sound: Well, the American economy tanking is ultimately the only way to end global racism (the KKK) as a major problem and concern in the world. It would sound pretty damn stupid wouldn't it? Well Mr. Anenome, that is exactly how silly you sound to people who don't view the world through spectacles of discrimination.

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (3, Insightful)

Anenome (1250374) | about 5 years ago | (#27253161)

Well, I think you're just being over-emotional about the issue because you're emotionally invested. I am not emotionally invested, nor am I a racist.

I am however a futurist, and like to look at likely scenarios of the future. All I've said is that if the oil tap looks like it's going to run dry that this will destabilize the middle-east further. When the middle-east gets destabilized, generally a few things happen: 1) someone tries to attack Israel. 2) Terrorism increases globally. If you'd like to refute either of those points using history, I'd love to laugh at the attempt.

Iran, for instance, sells a lot of oil right now, it finances their country in large measure. Things are fine for Iran economically, in general, yet they still talk, weekly, about nuking Israel. And you're trying to tell us that that behavior wouldn't get worse if it looked like Iran couldn't afford to spend so much on their military anymore? You are probably as economically illiterate as so many are, I suppose I cannot hold it against you. It's a modern tragedy.

As for these countries having tons of money, you're way, way off. Saudi Arabia is nearly bankrupt. They have borrowed a fuck-ton of money, last time I checked, and I don't think that's changed since then, I can't imagine how it could have. If you want to say that the various royal families have gigantic gobs of money, sure, you got me there. That doesn't mean much, however, it's all in private hands. An economy needs a middle-class. What's your plan to convince the Saudi Royal family, and others like them around the world, virtual despots, to share the wealth? Kuwait is so oil-dependent that as of '91 they were paying a gigantic yearly salary of $80,000 to each resident of the country, many other countries do similar, Venenzuela was trying to set something up like that too (foolishly) until the price of oil floored again. You think Kuwait wouldn't be economically devastated by oil being replaced? You're fooling yourself.

If the oil-tap gets turned off that would result in, literally, trillions of dollars per year no longer flowing into the middle-east. Do you really mean to say that that wouldn't have an effect on the middle-eastern economy? You're fooling yourself. The middle-eastern economy is currently dependent on that cash-flow and does not have the economic infrastructure in place to makeup a shortfall that could drop to zero within 5-10 years - which is exactly what Algae biodiesel could achieve. If WWIII broke out, and oil reserves were cut-off, that could result in a massive switch to biodiesel even faster on our part. When the switchover happens, at the least, the middle-east would experience a depression as long as 15-30 years in duration while it built up other avenues of economic production, and that assumes they don't go to war in that time period.

I have no desire to see this happen, I wish the people of the middle-east well, by and large they are a decent people with extremists messing it up for everyone, just like everywhere else. But we also have to deal with the reality of the situation. You're anger just shows you're not prepared to look at things with that level of detachment.

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (2, Interesting)

DamienRBlack (1165691) | about 5 years ago | (#27255187)

It is possible that you have a point. It is possible that the decrease in oil flow will lead to destabilization in the Middle East. That isn't really my concern though. My concern is the tone you choose to set. In general, your Arab sentiment can be boiled down to: the enemy will act in ways we wouldn't expect ourselves to act, fear them. Are you worried that the U.S.'s economic decline may cause us to lash out at an Arab country as we have a history of doing? No, you aren't. Your willingness to assume that other people are going to act in unreasoned ways is what causes most of the misunderstanding in history.

These countries have know for quite a while that their oil reserves are going to run out. I don't see why this would catch them by surprise.

In any case, thank you for your thoughtful comments. I apologize if I am overly emotionally invested but I do really hate how after coming so far in defeating the discrimination of African-Americans, it seems to be largely acceptable today to be racist against Arabs. No insult intended, but your original comments do seem to represent some of the anti-Arab sentiment floating around. If we want to treat Arabs like equals, lets stop considering things as "us vs them". Sure, destabilization may lead to an attack on Israel, but instead of simply vilifying Iran for this and treating them like the enemy, lets try to understand their point of view. Lets acknowledge the wrongs happening in Palestine, lets treat everyone fairly, and them maybe these countries won't feel like they have to treat us like enemies. Unrealistically hopeful? Probably, but I think attempting to empathize with their position is a start.

Fact checks:

Saudi Arabia has a surplus
Oil is only about 40% of the GDP of both Iran and Saudi Arabia
Iran has a good manufacturing industry
Saudi Arabia is building six economic cities (by 2020) to diversify their economy

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (1)

TheTurtlesMoves (1442727) | about 5 years ago | (#27257671)

... will lead to destabilization in the Middle East

In order to destabilize something doesn't it have to be stable to start with?

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (1)

AndersOSU (873247) | about 5 years ago | (#27256529)

I am however a futurist

So you make stuff up?

if the oil tap looks like it's going to run dry that this will destabilize the middle-east further

Ok, that's not much of a strech.

When the middle-east gets destabilized, generally a few things happen: 1) someone tries to attack Israel. 2) Terrorism increases globally.

Now there's a leap. Ok, when a country becomes unstable most of the time it denigrates into internal strife. Occasionally, a strong man assumes control, sometimes this results in military campaigns. On the surface it might seem like Israel would be the first target for a newly aggressive arab state, but you've got to consider that Israel is also far and away the most formidable opponent. All the attacks against Israel in the last 60 years have come from stable countries. Strong men looking to establish military dominance tend to start by going after weaker countries (like Kuwait.) On the second point there is no correlation between unstable arab regimes and terrorism. Saudi Arabia, which is bin Laden's home country is and has been remarkably stable - even if not friendly to western interests. The al Quaeda became active while Afghanistan was under repressive - but stable - rule. Maybe terrorism correlates with instability, but global terrorism doesn't. Look at N. Ireland, when it was going through the troubles the terrorism was all very targeted - the IRA didn't set off car bombs in India.

Iran, for instance, sells a lot of oil right now, it finances their country in large measure. Things are fine for Iran economically, in general, yet they still talk, weekly, about nuking Israel. And you're trying to tell us that that behavior wouldn't get worse if it looked like Iran couldn't afford to spend so much on their military anymore?

Saudi Arabia is nearly bankrupt.

Carrying debt, doesn't mean you're nearly bankrupt - bankruptcy is about not being able to meet your financial obligations. The US carries more debt than anyone, and while the value of the dollar has declined lately, the federal government isn't nearing bankruptcy.

An economy needs a middle-class.

No it doesn't. What we consider to be a healthy economy does, but if a countries major industry is exaction, you don't need a middle class. From a humanitarian standpoint, that sucks, from an economic one it works just fine. You only need a middle class if you're economy depends on selling consumer goods (as is the case in most western nations.)

if the oil-tap gets turned off that would result in, literally, trillions of dollars per year no longer flowing into the middle-east.

As you, yourself just pointed out in your previous paragraph it would result in literally trillions of fewer dollars flowing into the pockets of literally thousands of people. I obviously can't say that no a lack of oil revenue wouldn't affect the poor, but it would effect them less than you're implying.

No matter which way things go, the outlook for the middle east isn't rosy. But while you might be able to tie invasions to the price of oil, I think it's a stretch to tie ideological violence to the price of oil. All in all, a sharp decrease in petro-dollars might serve to decrease the inequality in these countries, which might serve to blunt the extremism.

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (1)

mqduck (232646) | about 5 years ago | (#27258599)

You just completely ignored the thrust of the post you're replying to. The point is, this assumption that Arab countries would go invading Israel, for no reason, because their economy is dying is blatantly racist, and that "armpit of the world" crap makes it clear (they're not even the worst-off region, if that's what you're going by).

There's imperialism (which is generally what invading another country is all about) and then there's this bullshit idea about Arabs being crazy, murderous zealots who hate Jewish and Western infidels, which is pretty clearly where you're coming from. You even celebrate the idea of the Arab economies collapsing because, supposedly, it would weaken terrorists!

You may be a perfectly good person, but your point of view on the Middle East is highly racist. I suggest you engage in some self-reflection.

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (1)

Anenome (1250374) | about 5 years ago | (#27253247)

Once upon a time, the Greek Athenians went to all the Greek City States and said, "Lets band together against our enemies for mutual survival against the Persians."

All the city-states agreed and the Greek world became one under the Athenians. To this end they selected the Spartans, the warlike ones, as the soldiers, etc., but the Athenians headed it up and were the naval power of the time. Everyone paid money to this central state to finance arms, boats, and soldiers.

Years went by and the threat was defeated, but a funny thing happened. Athens had grown rich, and reliant, on that money coming in, and when some city-states tried to stop paying, Athens demanded that they continue on pain of war. What began as mutual protection became tribute on pain of death. The Spartans decided to invade Athens.

So, you ask whether a country running out of money would go ape-shit... well, as Greece showed, they would at least go to war. And that's enough.

Know thy history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloponnesian_War [wikipedia.org]

Can I get a "This is Sparta!"?

Schwa? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27253285)

Which America have you been living in? The one I live in is the most tolerant, most integrated, least racist, least sexist nation that has ever existed on the face of the planet. Equating the KKK to muslim extremism is a colossally failed analogy. The KKK in America is tiny, marginalized, hated by just about everyone; powerless. Muslim extremists, by contrasts, run entire countries and then send reps to the UN denouncing other ethnic groups (mostly Jews). Go crawl back in your hole, idiot.

Re:Schwa? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27255021)

Have you heard of, say, the Dutch? I'm pretty sure they'd call you an idiot without meeting you, and so will I.

You morons yelp about freedom but you have dry counties. Wake the slice up, wonderbread. Your country is a monolith. It's ruled by an aging white population that speaks one language and doesn't understand geography, or even black culture.

Re:Schwa? (1)

hesiod (111176) | about 5 years ago | (#27257253)

To suggest that all black people share one culture that needs to be understood is at best ignorant, and quite possibly racist as well.

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (1)

stdarg (456557) | about 5 years ago | (#27254163)

The ultra wealthy Saudis can just as easily manage their foreign investments from some place comfortable like Switzerland. I'm sure you know the royal family in Saudi Arabia is not exactly well-loved, but when your source of wealth is tied to the ground you are too. If their tight control over the population is no longer necessary (because they're not around) things would destabilize quickly.

Arab countries are perfect for algae biodiesel (2, Interesting)

r00t (33219) | about 5 years ago | (#27252929)

Algae growth requires lots of sun. Libya is all about sun. Saudi Arabia is nearly the same. In fact, the whole region is pretty much sun, sun, sun, wonderful sun!

sun, sun, sun, sun, sun, sun, sun, sun, sun, sandstorms, and sun

Re:Arab countries are perfect for algae biodiesel (2, Insightful)

Anenome (1250374) | about 5 years ago | (#27253099)

Yes, but when shipping becomes the largest cost of a product, distant producers cannot compete in price with local producers. This is, for instance, why beer companies have trouble competing on a national scale, and why (I think it was) Anheiser-Busch was caught freeze-drying, shipping 'beer powder' and then re-hydrating their beer across country. Oil is competitive because it can't be produced in America. But, algae-produced biodiesel can essentially be made anywhere, and therefore will be, and shipping long distances will put you at a serious disadvantage to the local producer.

Having lots of sun won't make the middle-east a viable producer of biodiesel in the same way that they produced oil.

volume VS shipping (1)

phorm (591458) | about 5 years ago | (#27254695)

Keep in mind also, though, that N America imports a *lot* of food products. Last time I heard, the USA wouldn't be able to sustain it's own population with the domestic supplies of food.

That being so, what's the chance that they'd be able to make enough biofuel plants to power the entire country in a reasonable amount of time? Seems like a good project for the Arabic regions, as they're no doubt got a lot of the resources (money, labor, and sun) to do it.

Re:volume VS shipping (2, Informative)

afidel (530433) | about 5 years ago | (#27255485)

You're on serious crack, NA is a net exporter of food by a LARGE amount. The great plains are the worlds bread basket and California and Mexico produce vast quantities of fruits and vegetables. The only thing we import in any great quantity is fruits and vegetables from central America during the winter months as even the growing areas in Mexico are far enough north to have significant dropoff in productivity then.

that'll change (1)

r00t (33219) | about 5 years ago | (#27259827)

California won't be growing fruit for long. We build condos on the best farmland.

FYI, San Jose was once prime apricot land.

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (1)

mac1235 (962716) | about 5 years ago | (#27253007)

No. Oil will always be useful for plastics and other chemicals

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (1)

stdarg (456557) | about 5 years ago | (#27254235)

But we can reduce our consumption for plastics and other chemicals. Last time I needed some more coat hangers, I bought some at Walmart that claim to be made from corn rather than plastic. They were a little more expensive but they are also stiffer and (I feel) easier to use with large shirts or sweaters. They're great.

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (1)

mac1235 (962716) | about 5 years ago | (#27256929)

As long as we are not using all our corn to make ethanol....

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about 5 years ago | (#27253197)

The middle east has an awful lot of empty space and sunlight - ideal for algae farms.

Yeah, I wonder what they could do to survive if algae farms become a primary source of energy.

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (1)

Xest (935314) | about 5 years ago | (#27253413)

Pakistan is the centre of global terrorism but it's not based on oil wealth instead on opium profits and such. I don't think we'd see an end to global terrorism even if the middle east was whiped off the earth tommorrow.

In reality, the middle east would probably just become a lot more like Africa - a few prosperous big cities but a lot more poor areas that breed war and hate which would still include Islamic extremism (much like in areas of Somalia).

But even without biofuels the shift is going to happen anyway. The US, Canada and most notable Australia, hold the vast majority of the world's Uranium reserves so even a shift to nuclear power is going to have the same effect. The nations who currently hold the world to ransom are also almost entirely the nations that wont have anything to hold the world to ransom with a few decades down the line with Russia being only the real exception, even then it doesn't have a massive amount compared to the west. The middle east has none (bar a very small amount in Jordan), Africa has a little but not much, Europe has a little but not much, China has a little, Kazakhstan and Brazil have decent reserves, America, Canada and Australia have shit loads of the stuff.

So again, regardless of what replaces oil, it's almost certain the balance of power and control of energy is going to shift whether it's biofuels or nuclear.

Re:Algae-Biodiesel Could Turn Into Global Turmoil (1)

stdarg (456557) | about 5 years ago | (#27254107)

I think you're underestimating the funding pumped into Pakistan by Saudi Arabia. They are primarily responsible for the whole wahabi movement, which has played a large role in the radicalization of Pakistani cultures.

Going apeshit (1)

phorm (591458) | about 5 years ago | (#27254651)

From what I've seen in many cases, while there is a lot of waste in the middle-east (as comes anywhere when you have unbelievable amounts of cash), a lot also goes into infrastructure and making the country more livable. Completely current out petroleum products isn't going to happy anyhow, but we can cut it out of vehicles and fuels, while they'll still be able to sell the product for different uses such as plastics etc.

Re:Why? (3, Informative)

DerekLyons (302214) | about 5 years ago | (#27252305)

Isn't it pretty much a foregone conclusion that cellulose based ethanol makes no sense when compared to algae or Jatropha (or similar oil seed plants that can grow on non-arable land) which can be converted to biodiesel?

The idea isn't to grow crops for direct fermentation - but to convert plant (cellulose) waste that isn't used for other purposes. (Like animal feed.)

Re:Why? (1)

KillerBob (217953) | about 5 years ago | (#27254985)

Informative, and insightful too. Albeit, an insight I'm surprised nobody else seems to be making.

There's waste cellulose produced everywhere. Pulp & paper industries, lumber, farming... even crops grown for direct fermentation like corn produce waste cellulose that isn't used in the fermentation process (there isn't a lot of sugar in the silk & husks).

This isn't a replacement, it's a supplement. And it's one that can be used in direct conjunction with existing methods for producing biofuel, too... as I said, there's bits of corn that don't really have a lot (or any) sugar in them. What would happen if you mash up the corn, stalk, leaves, and all, into a soup for fermentation, and throw a batch of this bacteria into it for a few days before you add the yeast and start fermenting for real?

Re:Why? (1)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | about 5 years ago | (#27252443)

Isn't it pretty much a foregone conclusion that cellulose based ethanol makes no sense when compared to algae or Jatropha (or similar oil seed plants that can grow on non-arable land) which can be converted to biodiesel? Even if the yield per acre were similar (they're not) the process sure looks to be much more complicated and the MUCH lower energy density of ethanol means you are going to waste a lot more of the harvested energy in transporting the fuel.

On the other hand, cellulose-producing plants can be found everywhere. Instead of having huge plants and transporting fuel long distances we could potentially have a small plant for each and every neighborhood. If we can use pretty much anything with enough cellulose as raw material the energy density is not necessarily a huge issue.

Re:Why? -You Wanna Know Why? (2, Interesting)

SonOfFlubber (14544) | about 5 years ago | (#27252527)

...Because you can't handle the truth, that's why! (Jack Nicolson mode off)

(Seriously) Biodiesel is an ester, which means it has a lipid (oily) part and an alcohol part. The algae or jatropha supply the lipid, the alcohol is still required.

Ask anyone who has made their own biodiesel - although they use old french-fry oil, they are also mixing it with methanol (if you want to do the reaction at room temp, the ethanol reaction requires heat) and lye.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27253345)

Thank you for actually posting about the TOPIC,
I am not sure about the truth of this, but I have been told that to run the world's cars on ethanol we would need to replant all the world's farmland, cities, antural land, etc. Probably an exaggeration but I do know that cars can't effectively run on ethanol alone and as such alternatives such as solar power etc. are a better choice.

Algae also produce cellulose... (1)

Yergle143 (848772) | about 5 years ago | (#27258063)

so the feed stream of a mature algae biodiesel production facility might be channeled to bugs like this one. To solve our energy problem let's engage all the of life's kingdoms. algae(biodiesel) --> bacteria(sugar) --> yeast(ethanol) ---537

Re:Why? (1)

mr_mischief (456295) | about 5 years ago | (#27260409)

Well, all the corn growers who grow corn for food that gets bought for inefficient production of ethanol for fuel can now sell the corn for food and the stalks for ethanol. The stalks tend to just get plowed under.

How much metal are you willing to dig ore for, smelt, pour into blocks, cut, and transport to replace millions of gasoline engines with diesel ones? Ethanol burns in gasoline engines, and very minor tweaks are required to make a gasoline-powered car's gaskets and computer ready for it to be used well.

Biodiesel and ethanol both have a place in the near future if cellulose can cheaply produce ethanol.

So (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27252017)

So can they use their genetics to give me a bigger penis? I want it as big as a niggerdick!

I wonder... (0, Offtopic)

jd (1658) | about 5 years ago | (#27252041)

Isn't it funny that a bay right next door to agencies and military groups that want to dispose of "evidence" happens to be chock full of bugs that, well, dispose of "evidence"...

Re:I wonder... (2, Funny)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 5 years ago | (#27252065)

Disposing of paper evidence is SOOOO last century. They're probably working on bacteria to dispose of hard drives and "terrorists" right now!

Small scale? (1)

benjamindees (441808) | about 5 years ago | (#27252179)

A not-insignificant number of Americans use wood for heat, and pay for gasoline. I'm sure many more Canadians and Europeans do as well. I know of two households that are on the grid, and still use a wood stove as their primary heat source. I wonder whether this could be made small enough to convince them to get a heat pump and an ethanol-fueled vehicle.

In 1993, 3.1 million homes used wood for heat; the number dropped to 2 million in 2001 [nytimes.com]

Re:Small scale? (1)

EsbenMoseHansen (731150) | about 5 years ago | (#27252659)

A not-insignificant number of Americans use wood for heat, and pay for gasoline. I'm sure many more Canadians and Europeans do as well. I know of two households that are on the grid, and still use a wood stove as their primary heat source. I wonder whether this could be made small enough to convince them to get a heat pump and an ethanol-fueled vehicle.

In 1993, 3.1 million homes used wood for heat; the number dropped to 2 million in 2001 [nytimes.com]

To what point and purpose? I'm all for heat pumps, but what is wrong with using firewood for heat? It's (mostly) carbon neutral, and uses a resource that isn't useful for much else. Well, at least until this "bug" (I presume it's a bacteria) can convert it into fuel.

Re:Small scale? (1)

benjamindees (441808) | about 5 years ago | (#27253031)

Given the relative price difference between electricity and liquid fuels, it would make sense to produce liquid fuels from wood when possible, and use electricity for heat.

In fact, even without the heat pump, it would likely be economical to replace wood stoves with a small combined fermentation vessel and electric still, using the waste heat for home heating.

Re:Small scale? (1)

maxume (22995) | about 5 years ago | (#27255399)

Wood heat is filthy and a lot of work.

Those end up being pretty good reasons when easier, cleaner (at least in the house/yard) alternatives are price competitive. Outdoor burners and gasification burners improve the situation, but they don't fix it.

Re:Small scale? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27256525)

"[...]what is wrong with using firewood for heat?"

Are you kidding me? Third world fuel, we try to get people off the stuff to save their lungs to save millions of lives (esp. cooking fires), and you're wondering what's bad about it?

It's the smoke that goes out your chimney.

And in my area, a lot of the firewood burners are closet pyros, burning wood at night for the joy at looking at flame.

I live in suburbia at the edge of a small urban area and rural area. It's a conservative district, lots of people burning wood for primary or supplemental heat. And it's filthy has hell. Middle of winter, you go out, day or night but esp. night, you might as well be smoking the stuff, you come in and it's like you've been in a bar. Of, say, 20 of my nearest neighbors, 9 or more I know of burn wood, 1 coal. I know when schools are having a delayed opening because the parents stay home to watch their kids leave simply by the smell outside.

I should point out the remainder use fuel oil (pretty much diesel), and I live along one of the busiest streets in the area (thousands of truck and car traffic, aka gasoline and diesel and all the modified exhaust, tuners, untuned motorcycles, etc.) and by far, the most annoying shit is the fireplace smoke. Fuel oil stinks too, but compared to wood, not comparable, and fuel oil usually doesn't run more than 20 minutes an hour on the coldest day, versus constantly burning regardless of temperature wood burners tend to employ.

Add to that most people don't seem to know how to start a fire properly or keep it burning efficiently--a third have grey smoke.

Compare this area to my parents' place, where there are natural gas lines and the remainder tend to use propane, and it's ridiculously different in air quality simply by the smell.

If you've got more than 7 acres or are on the south edge of a hill, go burn wood all you want. Anywhere else, p*** off, as you're f****** up people's lungs and quality of life.

Also, if you think you're saving money, fuel oil versus wood is about the same over the last 8 years; the only time in the last 8 years wood was cheaper was when gasoline was over $3 a gallon in suburbia. I live in a tight old house, and we save at least $400 a year in fuel costs compared to what a wood burner would cost at current prices, and we get our hot water from it too.

Re:Small scale? (1)

EsbenMoseHansen (731150) | about 5 years ago | (#27256993)

I agree that people not knowing how to use a wood oven is a problem, and likewise with ill-adjusted ovens. But other than that, the health authorities in this country, wood is fine for heat. And I think they know what they are talking about.

In my area many people supplement with wood, and except for a few that appears to be using damp wood, or not enough air, you can hardly smell it.

In short, you are barking up the wrong tree :) It's getting people to burn wood properly that is the key, not to make them stop completely. Especially in these days, where we want to cut back on petrochemicals, which is the only alternative around here.

Again, Why? (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 5 years ago | (#27252257)

When the new, proven thermal reactors can convert almost any organics -- including cellulose waste -- directly to biodiesel much more efficiently? Much more energy density than ethanol, with less energy input, and almost none of the other disadvantages.

Re:Again, Why? (1)

benjamindees (441808) | about 5 years ago | (#27252413)

I doubt any of them are "much more efficient". Pyrolysis reactors operate at much higher temperatures than the 180 degrees Fahrenheit required to distill ethanol.

Do you have a particular process in mind? Any efficiency figures?

Re:Again, Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27252459)

I think he's talking about a particular company's proprietary process which works without costly enzymes and takes any organic matter, burns it at heats which create a plasma resulting in essentially a pure carbon gas, which is then used to produce biodiesel with bacteria that eat this carbon. The process has been criticized for using so much heat and high temperatures.

This process, even enzyme free, is still not beating the market price of gas, but was briefly promising when we didn't know how long gas would stay at ~$4/gallon. At oil's current, more reasonable price, many alternative energy source company's and schemes had the rug pulled out from under them.

Re:Again, Why? (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 5 years ago | (#27252769)

No, I was in fact thinking of a proprietary process, which does indeed work, but apparently they have now decided to concentrate on lipids for the sake of further efficiency. However, the process was proven with proteins and cellulosic bases as well.

Re:Again, Why? (1)

SonOfFlubber (14544) | about 5 years ago | (#27252631)

I agree that biodiesel has more energy density than ethanol.

Perhaps you are thinking of the McGyan Process [evercatfuels.com] that continuously converts various lipid feedstocks such as old cooking oil, tallow, or algae into biodiesel. The process also requires alcohol as a feedstock. It does not process cellulose waste.

Most ethanol to cellulose processes require the cellulose to be first broken down by acid. There are also catalysts for converting cellulose under development in the lab, but the wood waste, switch grass, or whatever source of cellulose they are trying requires a lot of grinding and pulping before they can get started.

The Zymetis process for cellulostic ethanol appears that it could make a good complement to the McGyan process for biodiesel.

What happens when modified sampes go out (1)

unity100 (970058) | about 5 years ago | (#27252749)

to the wild ? what happens if they prove too successful in the wild ?

Re:What happens when modified sampes go out (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27253075)

to the wild ? what happens if they prove too successful in the wild ?

Only rich people will be able to stay sober, as tap water is replaced by ethanol.

Re:What happens when modified sampes go out (1)

Muad'Dave (255648) | about 5 years ago | (#27254071)

what happens if they prove too successful in the wild ?

The whole world will turn into Willy Wonka's Everything is eat-able land [livingincinema.com], we'll all have a massive sugar rush, then die from starvation.

Re:What happens when modified sampes go out (1)

stdarg (456557) | about 5 years ago | (#27254443)

I've always heard that bacteria engineered for this sort of thing can only do it at the expense of other functions that would make them competitive. If these bacteria escaped they would probably be eaten by tougher bacteria.

Re:What happens when modified sampes go out (1)

unity100 (970058) | about 5 years ago | (#27256447)

what if they mutate ?

Re:What happens when modified sampes go out (1)

Entropy2016 (751922) | about 5 years ago | (#27258879)

Then they can maintain the status quo by behaving like any other bacteria, which means we can ignore them.

Bacteria responsible for synthesizing something that costs a lot of energy typically have a plan for shutting it off when they don't need it. I remember seeing on a flow chart for the nitrogen cycle, there was one brach of it that can go either forward or backward, depending on the environment's carbon to nitrogen ratio.

We can anthropomorphize the situation to produce an analogy: America is scared that Canada has built a massive new weapon that could annihilate them. But as it turns out, this new super weapon's power requirements are so large, they can't really pull the trigger enough times to win a war with it. So they are still forced to choose between conventional weapons or getting their asses handed to them.

I don't think cellulose degrading organisms will spend the energy required to break cellulose down if they don't have to. Just because they can break down cellulose doesn't mean that it is preferable. (except in our bio-reactors where we force them to eat only what we're willing to hand them)

Re:What happens when modified sampes go out (1)

mauthbaux (652274) | about 5 years ago | (#27254553)

The chance of it surviving in the wild is a fairly remote possibility. All the extra genes and modified genes create an extra metabolic payload that puts this strain at a disadvantage compared to the wild strains. It is possible that the sugars liberated by these extra enzymes may be enough to overcome the difference, but it's unlikely. Additionally, (and I haven't RTFA) normally when genes are modified/added to an organism, the vector that carries them also carries the genetic switch to turn certain genes on and off. For instance, it may only produce the worrisome enzyme when in the presence of a certain antibiotic like ampicillin. In wild conditions such a trigger would be absent, and the enzymes wouldn't be produced anyway. Furthermore, most bacteria used in bioreactors only thrive within a certain temperature range. Since these ones appear to be derived from a wild strain in the Chesapeake bay, this may not be the case, but it really depends on the genetic tinkering that was done (mostly if the genes were taken and put into a new host strain or if the original host is still used).

Aside from that, it comes down to what I vaguely recall from my ecology classes; the rule of 10%. Basically (again, going from memory here, so I may be totally off), if you take a species and put it in a new environment, there's a 10% chance it will survive. Of those that survive, there's a 10% chance that a breeding population will become established. 10% of the breeding populations will become problematic. All in all, I'm not really worried.

It attacks dead plants. DEAD. (1)

quixote9 (999874) | about 5 years ago | (#27256179)

The bacterium can't attack live plants. Mauthbaux made good points about the fact that genetically engineered bacteria are usually made dependent on some factor they won't get in the wild, precisely to deal with the problem of escapes. The TR article does not mentionwhether this was done, however.

The point that it only attacks dead plants doesn't mean we're home free. Lots of people live inside dead plants (wood), so there could still be a huge problem if this thing did a sci-fi (or should I say SyFy) and gobbled all the world's wood and paper into grey goo. But the bacterium only works in solution, so there again, unless you live in a monsoon jungle, there probably won't be enough ambient water around.

Re: (1)

clint999 (1277046) | about 5 years ago | (#27253287)

The discrepancy between how accurate your account on algae is and how ill-considered your analysis of Arabs is, is truly amazing.Why would you assume that just because the Arab nations are going to run out of money they are going to blatheringly insane? Would you assume that if the U.S. were running out of money we'd go ape-****? No, you wouldn't. So your assumption shows a racist bias that is both unfounded and disgusting.For your information, most Arab countries are investing their oil money into both bus

OK, so let's all jump back on the band wagon..... (0, Flamebait)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | about 5 years ago | (#27254155)

This is getting tedious, jumping on, then off, then on ,
then off.....I hope we all make our minds up, my legs are getting tired.

In the Chesapeake Bay? (0, Offtopic)

MiniMike (234881) | about 5 years ago | (#27254157)

...bacterium found a few years ago in the Chesapeake Bay...

All right! Go Bay-bee! Who needs the rainforest to find useful biology?

...break down the tough cell walls in dead plants and convert the remaining cellulose into sugars.

Oh. I guess we do still need the rainforest.

</sarcasm>

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