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Look Out, Firefox 3 — IE8 Is Back On Top For Now

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the because-it-can dept.

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CWmike writes "Internet Explorer 8 has shipped in its final version and is ready to take on its rivals. Preston Gralla reviewed it and says the latest version of Microsoft's browser leapfrogs its closest competition, Firefox 3, for basic browsing and productivity features — it has better tab handling, a niftier search bar, a more useful address bar, and new tools that deliver information directly from other Web pages and services. IE8 has also been tweaked for security and includes a so-called 'porn mode,' new anti-malware protection, and better ways to protect your privacy. The most noticeable new features? Accelerators and Web Slices. Think of an Accelerator as a mini-mashup that delivers information from another Web site directly to your current browser page. Web Slices deliver changing information from a Web page you're not actively visiting directly to IE8. There's one big problem for many, though. No add-ins, and there doesn't appear to be such an ecosystem on the horizon. So if you're a fan of add-ins and customizing the browser itself, writes Gralla, Firefox is superior. But for the actual browsing experience, IE8 has the upper hand — for now."

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662 comments

Best attribute (5, Funny)

imajinarie (1057148) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256703)

IE's primary function for me will still be as Firefox Downloader 8.0

Re:Best attribute (5, Insightful)

XaviorPenguin (789745) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256793)

Agreed.
Besides, I think that whoever is using Firefox will continue to use it regardless of what IEX Browser comes out. The people that will be moving to IE8 will be those people that have used are privy to the previous IE Browser incarnations.

Re:Best attribute (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27256915)

Make that Ubuntu Downloader 8.0 and I'm with you all the way !

Re:Best attribute (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27257031)

Real men would download the ISO via FTP using the command prompt.

Re:Best attribute (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257105)

Yea but with DOS FTP it doen't have the Tick option. You just have the obnoxious hash option. It is nice to see how fast your download is going and how long to wait.

WIN!!!!!! WIN! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27257019)

win. this is epic win.

Re:Best attribute (1)

Ucklak (755284) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257025)

What happened to the days of buying the boxed version of the browser in the store for $39.99?

Re:Best attribute (2, Funny)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257065)

Besides having to get up. Go to the store find the box. Pay a fair chunk of money. Go back and install it on your PC. Vs. Downloading it in 30 seconds for free. I don't know I think we actually have improved the process a bit.

Sat and cell aren't near that fast (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257225)

Vs. Downloading it in 30 seconds for free.

Downloading an 7.5 MB browser installer in 30 seconds needs a 2 Mbps connection. (7.5 MB * 8 bits/byte / 30 s = 2 Mbps.) Satellite and cellphone Internet aren't near that fast. So for a lot of people I know, getting a 2 Mbps connection would require paying at least five figures USD to move to an area serviced by cable or DSL. But I still get your point: even a five minute download is more convenient than having a CD shipped to your door.

Re:Best attribute (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27257199)

10-15 years :P

Re:Best attribute (1)

GweeDo (127172) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257099)

I just downloaded IE8 in Firefox 3.1b3...did the world implode?

Fluff (5, Insightful)

HunterZ (20035) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256705)

Looks like a bunch of fluff. Not even anything about raw performance or memory footprint or standards compliance.

Re:Fluff (5, Insightful)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256727)

Yeah, what's the point of "better tab handling" and a "niftier search bar" if the results look like crap because it can't render everything properly?

Re:Fluff (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256841)

Function over form. My first priority is something that allows me to waste time efficiently, and then something that renders correctly.

Not that IE8 is such a program.

Re:Fluff (2, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257173)

Nonsense. Every browser EXCEPT IE can play the game in my sig. That's not the only example of such complete and total rendering failures on Microsoft's part.

Why would rendering take a back seat to convenience? If you can't view the page, all the convenience in the world isn't going to help you.

Re:Fluff (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257005)

Standards compliance may be an issue for the average user, the other two points are far less important. The average user will just throw some more hardware at the problem. Moore's law takes care of all that nicely.

Add-ins (5, Funny)

nizo (81281) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256707)

[IE8 has] no add-ins, and there doesn't appear to be such an ecosystem on the horizon.

Never fear; I'm sure there will be plenty soon enough, and they will most likely install themselves! Check here [us-cert.gov] to find out about new ones as they get released.

Re:Add-ins (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27256765)

they will most likely install themselves

Such convenience! Verily, IE is superior to Firefox. :P

Re:Add-ins (5, Interesting)

Araxen (561411) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257041)

Add-ins are the "killer app" of the browser for me. I don't think I'll ever switch from Firefox if competing browsers don't have this feature built into it. I just couldn't live without stuff like foxmarks, flagfox, customisegoogle, etc..

Yeah, IE8 can render pages faster but who really cares when pages render in a matter of seconds in any of the browsers on the market. 1 or 2 second difference means nothing to me. Add-ins mean alot to me and are the defining feature and without them it makes IE an inferior browser to Firefox.

Re:Add-ins (5, Funny)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257129)

Bah. IE's add-ins are literally killer-apps!

Try to beat that. ^^

Re:Add-ins (5, Insightful)

stokessd (89903) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257223)

I'd bet that a faster render engine WITH ads still loses against a slightly slower one and adblock.

Sheldon

Re:Add-ins (-1, Troll)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257217)

Har har.

But can someone explain to me how IE toolbars (which IE8 does support) *aren't* add-ins? Because they have a slightly different name? I don't get why people call Google Toolbar on Firefox a "add-in" but when you install the same thing on IE, suddenly it's... what?

Security? (5, Interesting)

afidel (530433) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256717)

Accelerators and Web Slices both sound like they are big gaping security holes waiting to be exploited.

Re:Security? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27256911)

Plus, web accelerators are loathed by all web site managers -- who watch as their bandwidth is leached by browsers whose operators aren't necessarily intending to visit.

The loathing extends to people in parts of the world with metered traffic and/or quotas imposed and extends further to companies with fixed bandwidth pipes who'll now have them flooded with likely unnecessary requests.

Who on earth comes up with these "features" and why do they still have jobs?

Re:Security? (2, Informative)

cdrudge (68377) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257181)

Accelerators are most useful for people who are on dialup or slower broadband connections to download possible future pages while they are looking at the existing one. It makes their life, as in your [clients|customers|visitors] browsing experience better.

If you don't want accelerators hitting your site, don't have a public site. Or deploy counter measures that block or limit the accelerators. Don't bitch and moan about visitors (or potential visitors) leeching your bandwidth when you put it out there for them to consume.

Re:Security? (4, Informative)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257215)

Why are you getting modded insightful when you clearly didn't read the article. You are completely wrong on what accelerators are.

Think of an Accelerator as a mini-mashup that delivers information from another Web site directly to your current browser page. Let's say, for example, that you're on a Web page with an address on it. Highlight the address, and then choose a maps accelerator, and you'll see a map of the address displayed in a flyaway -- a kind of pop-up on the page -- or else on another tab, depending on how that particular accelerator was written. You can interact with the flyaway map just as if you were on the map site itself.

Re:Security? (5, Informative)

Alphager (957739) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257149)

You don't seem to understand what Accelerators are. They are additional markup which denotes that additional information can be downloaded on demand by the user. An example would be the map-accelerator: if you mark an adress with the additional markup, a user can right-click on the area and open google maps in an iframe. Nothing automatic, nothing wierd or non-standard. There even exist a firefox-addon for that functionality: http://www.cleeki.com/firefox.html [cleeki.com]

The speed of IE 8 let me get first post! (5, Funny)

mahsah (1340539) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256721)

Yes, thanks to the new javascript a-

Well, crap.

Firefox will continue to be superior (2, Insightful)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256725)

for the same reason it's been in the past: plugins. If you're looking for the best browser out of the box, it looks right now like Firefox may be in last place. It's bloated, has terrible memory management, and has fewer features, but plugins elevate to a level the other browsers wouldn't even want to reach.

Re:Firefox will continue to be superior (5, Insightful)

sadtrev (61519) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256789)

Or, Put simply, "No matter how slow it is, at least it has Adblock"

Re:Firefox will continue to be superior (5, Insightful)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256863)

And NoScript. And greasemonkey. And GMail Manager. And... The list goes on and on and on... Any one of my 'necessary' plugins makes Firefox more desirable than any other browser.

Re:Firefox will continue to be superior (5, Insightful)

realmolo (574068) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256873)

Well, yes.

And don't forget NoScript.

The thing is, with Adblock and NoScript, browsing on Firefox *is* faster than on any other browser. A

Re:Firefox will continue to be superior (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27257007)

I heard about this great plugin that makes Firefox even faster. It's called "NoHTML." Apparently it breaks some websites tho...

Re:Firefox will continue to be superior (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27257091)

your doing it wrong

Re:Firefox will continue to be superior (3, Insightful)

Sylver Dragon (445237) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256899)

Wish I had mod points, I'd try to wipe out the Troll mod. I don't, so I'll respond instead.

AdBlock is the first add-on I download whenever I setup Firefox. I've gotten so used to browsing with it that I am dumbfounded every time I have to browse the web without it.

Re:Firefox will continue to be superior (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257185)

Dumbfounded? I am stunned and blinded!
I think my eyes are trying to protect my heart.

Re:Firefox will continue to be superior (5, Insightful)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256927)

But Adblock, NoScript, and Flashblock cause noticeable speed-ups, especially if your Internet connection is lousy.

Re:Firefox will continue to be superior (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257013)

Careful, I got modded down this morning for pointing out [slashdot.org] that Firefox's add-ons make it superior to Chrome too. Nothing touches those add-ons. I don't give a shit how fast IE or Chrome are, that's a fart in the windstorm next to the usefulness of some of the better Firefox add-ons.

Re:Firefox will continue to be superior (3, Interesting)

BZ (40346) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257023)

> It's bloated, has terrible memory management

Do you have data to back this up, by any chance? And we're talking about Firefox 3 or later, right?

Re:Firefox will continue to be superior (5, Insightful)

Jason Quinn (1281884) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257071)

[Firefox]'s bloated

Explain to me how Firefox is bloated. Compared to what? Its former self? Other browsers? The executable size of Firefox has been remarkable stable since version 1.0 --- it hovers around the 10MB mark. Just what is the bloat then? Nearly everything in Firefox has a direct browsing application. It is justified to call those features not bloat. The whole "SQLite database is bloat" argument goes out the window about 5 minutes after you start using the awesome bar. Bloat is one of those words that's easy to fling around. What would you get rid of? The plugin system? Look at the other replies to your comment. The crash manager? The tabbed browsing??? Firefox currently has its problems, but bloat is not one of them.

Re:Firefox will continue to be superior (4, Informative)

brundlefly (189430) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257145)

http://ieaddons.com/ [ieaddons.com]

Actually, IE has many, many plugins. You might even recognize some familiar names from Mozilla-land, eg. Foxmarks, StumbleUpon, Cooliris, ....

Porn Mode? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27256729)

Will it prevent Sticky Keys from activating?

No add-ins? (2, Insightful)

Shin-LaC (1333529) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256731)

What about all those third-party toolbars that proliferated for previous versions of IE? Surely they were built on some kind of extension support. Has it been removed?

Cake (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256733)

Are the Mozilla developers giving them a cake?
With the recipe?

"The cake is a lie" jokes in 3...2...1...

Re:Cake (1)

clarkn0va (807617) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257133)

Without Mozilla the IE developers would have had to find another job. The cake was borne of sincere gratitude.

Possibly incorrect (2, Informative)

AIkill (1021773) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256739)

According to Microsoft's own IE8 site, the current version of IE8 is RC1, not a final release. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/Internet-explorer/beta/default.aspx [microsoft.com]

Re:Possibly incorrect (4, Informative)

earnest murderer (888716) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256855)

Won't be released until Noon EST.

Re:Possibly incorrect (1)

Jamie's Nightmare (1410247) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257055)

I downloaded it at 11:35AM by going to the same address and removing "/beta/"

Re:Possibly incorrect (1)

QuantumRiff (120817) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256861)

most other sites with actual reporters mention that its actually released at Noon PST.

Re:Possibly incorrect (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256923)

I'm not sure which time they are using, although I would assume PST, but I thought it wasn't going to be released (officially) till Noon...

Which means it wont be on WindowsUpdate for a week or so later.

A quick Google search (5, Funny)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256757)

1. Click this link: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ie8 [google.co.uk]
2. On the second search result, read the first line of the description.
3. ...
4. (Don't) profit!

Internet Security Hole 8.0! (-1, Troll)

downix (84795) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256761)

A new version of IE, new blatantly obvious security holes to infect our systems with, yay!

Does it adhere to standards? (5, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256773)

My first question with every new release of IE is, "How well does it render valid HTML+CSS?"

Yeah, I don't really care if it's fast and has "Web Accelerators". Will it display properly written pages properly? Are developers going to have to keep putting hacks into their pages to deal with IE quirks? If they aren't adhering to standards, then it's not really worth much.

Re:Does it adhere to standards? (2, Insightful)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256931)

There's only one piece of extra code needed when a page won't render properly in IE.

<a href="http://www.getfirefox.com">Page doesn't look right? Click here.</a>

Re:Does it adhere to standards? (1)

qoncept (599709) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257067)

Exactly. The best thing to do to your website is drive traffic and potential customers away because you're too lazy to make it work in the most used browser in the world.

Re:Does it adhere to standards? (2, Interesting)

ILikeRed (141848) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257085)

Exactly, why don't they tell more about the fun features:

Competition driven market, it works (3, Interesting)

captainpanic (1173915) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256797)

This whole market thingy seems to work.
There is competition driven innovation, and a number of large companies are fighting for the market share.

I like it... although I doubt that my Ubuntu will run IE8, so I guess I won't use IE8 too much - perhaps I'll check it in Wine ;)

Re:Competition driven market, it works (1)

WibbleOnMars (1129233) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257151)

This whole market thingy seems to work.

You say that, but it took five years of market stagnation after MS cornered the market for anyone else to rise to challenge them.

So yes, the competition is good, and it does seem to have stung MS back into life developing new code, but it's hardly a ringing endorsement of the free market.

Reloading a tab at the point that it crashed... (4, Interesting)

chalkyj (927554) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256807)

Each tab is isolated from the others, so if one tab crashes, the entire browser doesn't go down. You can then restore the crashed tab, and when you do, it reloads with the information that had been in it when it crashed, such as a partially written e-mail. And if you were watching a video, the video will start playing at the point the tab crashed, not at the beginning of the video.

Cool as that seems in theory, doesn't automatically reloading the exact state that the tab was in when it crashed mean that it will probably just crash again as soon as you reload it?

Re:Reloading a tab at the point that it crashed... (2, Funny)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257011)

That's often what happens with Minefield (but not always).

Re:Reloading a tab at the point that it crashed... (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257209)

I believe Firefox does that, too, if you Restore Session after a crash...

All alone (5, Funny)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256813)

IE8 Is Back On Top For Now

You know that kid who rushes to the top of the hill, just knowing that he's finally going to win King of the Hill for the first time ever? Then when he gets to the top of the hill, he's elated when he realizes he's at the top... only to realize a few moments later that all the other kids ran up a different hill?

That's Microsoft.

new and innovative security issue (3, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256819)

Accelerator as a mini-mashup that delivers information from another Web site directly to your current browser page.

I have this set up with widgets. It is useful to have certain snippets of web pages at ones fingertips. So I agree that it is a cool feature.

OTOH, implanting this in the browser seems like a serious security risk to me. How many times have we seen something like this used to steal someone's password to their bank account or otherwise make people believe they are on a secure site? How will they keep this feature from being hijacked?

In the end this sounds like feature bloat. It is not part of what MS said IE8 would be, which is a faster, more standards based browser.

Re:new and innovative security issue (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27256875)

OTOH, implanting this in the browser seems like a serious security risk to me.

Oh come on. Microsoft have made IE8 more secure. There's nothing to worry about: I'm sure they've really managed it this time!

Re:new and innovative security issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27256907)

In the end this sounds like feature bloat. It is not part of what MS said IE8 would be, which is a faster, more standards based browser.

MS said X and does Y. Call the newspapers, must be a first time that happened!

Porn Mode? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27256821)

What the hell is this supposed to be?

Taco! (1)

XPeter (1429763) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256823)

For writing this article you should be scored -1 flamebait! You should know better than to put things like this on /.

Love these exciting new features from MS! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27256833)

Think of an Accelerator as a mini-mashup that delivers information from another Web site directly to your current browser page.

So it's a frame/iframe?

Web Slices deliver changing information from a Web page you're not actively visiting directly to IE8

So it's RSS?

Oh great (4, Funny)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256837)

a niftier search bar,

Niftier search bar? What, did they include Clippy?

a more useful address bar,

How much more useful can one make an address bar? It's sole purpose is to provide a place to type in a web address. If by useful, do they mean that horrid Awesome Bar?

and new tools that deliver information directly from other Web pages and services.

Oh joy. Nothing like having your connection come to a crawl as some Flash advertisement tries to load in another page as it it's "delivered" to your system.

Ya know, there's something to be said for simplicity. But then, we are talking about developers who don't know the meaning of simplicity.

Re:Oh great (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257227)

Hmmm. Simplicity, like firefox?

Or, an address bar that is only for typing web addresses. Like Firefox, Safari, and Opera! ... wait, they do lots more with the address bar like google searches and stuff...

Look Out, Firefox 3: IE8 Is Back On Top For Now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27256843)

Would have been an interesting news if some people didn't hack it, almost the same time the news was being broadcasted...
http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2934&tag=nl.e589 [zdnet.com]

It still fails Acid Test 3 (2, Informative)

Again (1351325) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256909)

It still fails Acid Test 3 horribly. Not as horribly as previous versions of IE but it still fails horribly. Also, the buttons still look like Windows 3.1.

Re:It still fails Acid Test 3 (1)

icebrain (944107) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257211)

Hey, I like my Win 3.1 buttons, you insensitive clod!

I'm curious as to how it compares to Safari 3 (1)

gravesb (967413) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256919)

I'm really enjoying Safari 3, but I can't use IE 8, so I don't know how they compare. However, for the things I actually use a browser for, I'm not sure IE 8 matches Safari. Speed, standards compliance, etc. I like some of the new things Safari offers, like the preview of your most visited sites when you open a new tab, but for me the most important things are speed and stability. Obviously, using a beta I'm giving up a bit of stability, but I love how fast it works. Maybe when MS changes its rendering engine there will be a more accurate comparison.

No adins? Do you mean NO TOOLBARS? (1)

alta (1263) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256925)

This can't be right. What do they classify as an add-in? Plug-ins the same thing?

What about my google toolbar? Without that, I'd never use IE.

And media plugins like flash, Quicktime, shockwave, etc? They can't get rid of that, it'd be suicide. Hell, even silverlight is an 'add-in.'

I know I'm wrong here, they would never block flash, so what does the "No Add-in" statement mean?

After using the beta and RC1... (3, Informative)

Cryogenic Specter (702059) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256935)

I have been using the beta and RC1 for some time now and over all it is an improvement. The CSS model for this version is closer to standard and that is a major bonus. The new "broken page" button is useful since it reverts back to the CSS model for IE7. Many sites use a generic conditional to determine if the user is browsing with ANY version of IE and then use that information to override some CSS styles.

This causes problems with IE8 since it is closer to being correct; these "fixes" throw it off. I am sure that sites will begin to change as IE8 use spreads. Until IE6 finally dies (still has 20% market share) though, I am saddened that the world is still suffer with IE hacks.

One bad thing, reverting back to IE7 is pretty much impossible in most cases.

Another, some old Active X controls do not work.

Ok, one more, they use an interconnected process model like Chrome so that the whole world does not crash when one bad page causes problems. Yeah, that is a great idea, but in my experience, it locks your whole machine and crashes every instance. Boo!

two options (1)

blindbat (189141) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256937)

fta:
>If you've abandoned Microsoft's browser for a rival, you may -- or may not -- want to return.

That's a worthless statement. Glad he made the options clear.

Innovation is back! (2, Insightful)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256959)

Good to see innovation is back in town. I won't be using IE anytime soon, at least not until there is a Linux or OS-X release of the browser. But I'm sure the Firefox, Opera, Chrome, etc. developers are going to take a good hard look at those features, and we'll see the best innovations appear in other browsers really soon. And hopefully even more nifty functions inspired by this.

The last two, three years have seen more innovation in the browser than the ten years before that. FF 1 was nice and up to par - adding tabs but not that much more, FF 2 was a serious improvement, but only in FF 3 I start to see very serious changes and improvements - it starts to feel experimental at times - in an innovative way, something that I don't feel in FF 2. Is it because MS has picked up their pace in UI innovation? Is it because Google has launched Chrome with its super-javascript-engine? Or maybe because alternative Safari has gained mainstream recognition with its Windows version and the iPhone version? Or more likely all of the above?

Interesting times ahead, for sure. Very interesting times. And a lot of hard hard work for anyone involved in browser development to keep their brainchild on top. What a little competition can do! For once I will say: go, Microsoft, go, you're starting to do well in this. Just make sure you stick to the standards as otherwise you won't make it against the competition. The competition is too strong for that kind of tricks already.

Meh (1)

Quothz (683368) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256963)

I have to admit, the tab management looks nice. Grouping, better placement, and crash isolation are all pretty nifty.

The accelerators and Web slices stuff looks gimmicky; while a few folks might find 'em useful, to me they're just another "don't tell me about this again" feature. The dealbreakers are the lack of add-on support and the usual "We are the standard" attitude. I'll only use it if I must.

I do hope FF mimics its new tab management features or finds a better method.

Re:Meh (1)

nyctopterus (717502) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257183)

Firefox is going to switch [readwriteweb.com] the tab ordering (which I agree seems to be a better way to do it).

acid test (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27256979)

if no one has already run it, someone try the acid test on it

It's still MSIE ... (5, Funny)

hedronist (233240) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256991)

First, a joke circa 1983: a hardware guy and a software guy (remember, this was 1983) take an HP Unix system to the roof of a 5 story building. They connect a long extension cord, boot it up, and throw it off the roof. There is a resounding crash and they rush down to see the results. "Wow!" shouts the hardware guy, "it's still running!" The software guy shrugs and says, "Yeah, but it's still running HP-UX."

What's my point? It may be better than previous MSIE attempts, but it is still Microsoft, it's still IE, and it still only runs on Windows. As a web designer the rule is still: make it look right in Firefox, then unbreak it in MSIE{6,7,8}.

Re:It's still MSIE ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27257161)

make it look right in Firefox, then break it for MSIE{6,7,8}.

There fixed that for ya. :)

Did Someone Say Security? (4, Insightful)

mpapet (761907) | more than 5 years ago | (#27256995)

Think of an Accelerator as a mini-mashup that delivers information from another Web site directly to your current browser page.

Sounds like a *wonderful* malware delivery system.

Web Slices deliver changing information from a Web page you're not actively visiting directly to IE8.

Yet another malware delivery system.

Why, in 2009, are they slapping on another layer of lard on top of their needlessly complex and largely ineffective OS security?

One thing is for sure, they aren't going to stop releasing dumb things like this so I'll never be out of work babysitting their products.

Hopefully History Will Not Repeat Itself (1)

caffeinejolt (584827) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257069)

Microsoft has a history of rising up to destroy the browser competition that exists at the time. They also seems to rest on their laurels afterwards in a manner that stagnates web innovation.

This time though, there are a few viable competitors [statowl.com] and the Windows platform, while still dominating [statowl.com] , has dwindled since the last browser war. So I think healthy competition will hopefully remain in place this round. Nonetheless, Microsoft should not be underestimated - they now see the value of controlling the Web via a dominant browser, and they also have Windows 7 on the horizon, which may or may not increase their OS market share. You can bet on IE8 being a prominent feature in Windows 7 and pushed to existing Windows users.

I wish the underdogs luck!

Here we go again. (1)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257101)

Browser wars are soooooo last century. And that's the best a billion dollar company can do?

What about browser main function ? (1)

alexhs (877055) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257111)

And all that time I thought that the main feature of a browser was to render so-called "web pages" correctly. I mean, I'm using my browser primarily to access content, not for playing with tabs and search bars. Silly me.

Next time they will tell us that IE9 is better because it has a better embedded Flight Simulator than competitors...

Okay, So Can Someone Please Tell My Customer (1)

aquatone282 (905179) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257127)

. . . now that IE8 is out, they can upgrade to IE7?

(My customer is a state government that shall remain nameless)

A quote from Microsoft's website (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27257131)

"Now you can quickly display websites that were designed for older browsers. If youâ(TM)re looking at a page and the text or images arenâ(TM)t lined up right, just use the new Compatibility View button next to the Refresh button on the Address Bar."

I think they mean, websites that were designed for our previous, faulty browser implementations..

Subjectivity Alert (2, Insightful)

Helmholtz (2715) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257135)

"...But for the actual browsing experience..."

Things like "browser experience" are so completely subjective as to have no meaning. The standard counters often include mentions of "general users" and other equally nonsensical strawmen. I don't mind people expressing opinions about their "browser experiences", in fact I think more people should talk about what they like and don't like. What I cringe at is when the difference between a review and opinion piece disappears, or becomes so ambiguous that it might as well be disappeared.

Yes, I know this is a dead horse, but even dead horses deserve a fresh flogging from time to time.

Unofficial Press Release From Mozilla.org (1)

Samschnooks (1415697) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257137)

Oooo! We're soooo scared!

Windows compatibility stopping my upgrade (1)

odin84gk (1162545) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257139)

So I'm sitting at work on a completely legit machine (our IT department is well funded to ensure we don't use pirate software), but I can't download IE8 (I'm still using IE6). It needs some WGA verification for some updates, but it doesn't work (Firewall issue?). Needless to say, I have a compatibility problem with IE8 and I will not be installing it.

Plugins... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27257147)

No omnibar, no adblock, no flashgot, or ChatZilla. I'm sorry M$ but I'll stick to firefox.

Although chrome has become more and more tempting for me...the omnibar really helps me to stick to firefox. I love that omnibar ^_^.

PS:

As much as we all hate IE and Microsoft ain't nothing wrong with a little competition. Firefox is starting to become popular so Microsoft is starting to actually develop IE, this will also keep the firefox team on their toes because they need to tweak the browser a bit more and speed it up.

add-ons are still there (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257157)

Heck, theyve improved the add-on manager:

http://on10.net/blogs/sarahintampa/21691/ [on10.net]

The IE8 blog also lists add-ons as a feature and how to control them via GP.

Not sure what the summary is about. Typically slashdot I guess.

Features, Shmeatures. (3, Funny)

solios (53048) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257179)

I'm not going to run windows just for "the best web browser." They want to resurrect the Mac IE port, I'm all for that - IE 5 for the Mac was the best browser on the platform until Mozilla came along.

It doesn't matter how "good" IE8 is - it's windows only, and Windows + Internet == Screaming Assrape. While I run windows at home and at work for non-Mac apps, I don't connect to the internet with my windows machines. I don't use samba (I use an SCP client which is slower but imo less of an asspain than windows networking), I don't download anything, and I damn sure don't install anything that didn't come from a vendor disk.

End result : exponentially fewer security problems than friends who run XP on their wintendos.

IE8 could give me winning lottery numbers and blow jobs... but I'm not running a web browser on Windows, ever. It's like having sex without a condom at an STD conference.

When hasn't this been true? (1)

Trillan (597339) | more than 5 years ago | (#27257205)

If you discount everything unique Mozilla adds - and ignore security - of course Internet Explorer is better, if you don't discount IE's unique features.

The secret to making any decision poorly is to set your criteria correctly to support the conclusion you want to come to.

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