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Dell's Smartphone Rejected — Too Dull

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the stomach-for-human-weakness-but-not-the-eye dept.

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MBCook writes "AppleInsider has an article discussing Dell's attempt to enter the smartphone market, as well as the news that the phone was rejected by carriers as too dull. The article doesn't pull punches: 'Dell's failure to successfully step from the commodity PC business into the mobile handset market should come as no surprise, as smartphones requires expertise in software platform development, consumer design savvy, and portable device engineering, all things Dell has never demonstrated any proficiency in.'"

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Is it sad (1, Offtopic)

JB19000 (1389999) | more than 5 years ago | (#27283677)

that I knew who the author would be before I clicked the link.

Re:Is it sad (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27284215)

Me to! I hovered the mouse over the link and saw the URL before I clicked. Cool feature, right?!

Spoiler alert (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27284515)

Warning: Snape kills Adama.

Re:Is it sad (5, Interesting)

Forge (2456) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284529)

Yeah, but seriously. Who cares?

Back to the story. Dell (as in Micheal Dell) needs to walk down to the corner where they are working on Mobile phones, bitchslap everyone for a little while then remind them what Dell's main asset is.

People like to buy stuff from them. If Dell started to sell and support Apple PCs as just another product line, sales of Apple PCs would climb.

This is no accident:

#1. In some places, (Jamaica) Dell provides onsite support and a warehouse of spare parts that's already cleared customs and can thus be delivered in compliance with the Next business day or even the 4 hour response Warranties.

#2. Dell still has the best designed site for customizing and buying Computer hardware.

In simple terms Dell doesn't need it's own products. It just needs decent quality stuff with the Dell brand on it. Let someone else design and build the Dell phone. Ignore the carriers (except for making sure the phone is compatible) and start selling unlocked Dell phones for whatever they cost to make and deliver plus a markup.

Once the carriers see the numbers delivered whoever has the fewest on it's network will go to Dell on bended knee to get a bundling deal.

Re:Is it sad (4, Insightful)

Fear the Clam (230933) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284759)

People like to buy stuff from them. If Dell started to sell and support Apple PCs as just another product line, sales of Apple PCs would climb.

Maybe from the added "credibility" of being associated with Dell, but not because of how much gee whiz fun it is to buy from Dell's online store. Have you ever tried getting a straight price from them? You get different options and pricing depending on whether you go in via home or office or corporate or data center or whatever bullshit classification scheme they decide for you, then it's uselessly bare until you add to it, and then maybe there's a sale that day and maybe not, or maybe a "deal" and why the hell can't they just give you a straight price?

Try buying something from store.apple.com and compare the experience.

Some might argue that Dell is a better value because you're not paying the "Apple tax' for the user experience. That's true so long as you believe that the user experience is worthless.

Re:Is it sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27284843)

I like to buy laptops from Dell, and the sales thing is actually fun to play with, different prices for corporate/home, lucky 10% off this week and so on, but their product, guarantee and service are exactly what i want anyway. i play to find out the price and... deal! Sorry, I don't pay taxes for funny, glossy, slick apple logos.

Re:Is it sad (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284957)

Don't want to pay for the logo- don't blame you. Thats also part of why I don't buy Dell- they're a good $500 over building it yourself for gaming rigs, and 200-300 over local builders.

But none of that excuses their horrible, horrible website and pricing scheme. There should be a base price, a thing that allows you to pick upgrade options for each part all on one page, and a flat increase for each option. I shouldn't get different prices based on my starting point or the order I choose my options. Their website is a piece of shit.

Re:Is it sad (2)

Orbijx (1208864) | more than 5 years ago | (#27285107)

Except that there is a thing that allows you to pick upgrade options for each part, all on one page.

Granted, there's no flat increase, and I'll cede that point, but when ordering a box, switch it to list view from that annoying as sin icon view. It'll put all the parts stuff on one tab, accessories that you're probably going to skip on another, additional services like special warranty modifications (keep your hard drive, etc) on another tab, and the last tab builds what you've chosen.

(and yes, nothing is nicer than a keep your hard drive warranty. not sending a dead hard drive in to the man is awesome.)

Jamaica is your example? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27285037)

Its a third world hole, why not just add maybe Mozambique or Angola instead?
Its the same thing.

Tell me about Canada, or the UK, germany, Australia, Spain, etc and I can try to relate but Jamaica?
Please...

(I used to travel to Jamaica twice a year on business for about a decade)

Dull (-1, Troll)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | more than 5 years ago | (#27283709)

Dell's Smartphone Rejected -- Too Dull

Why don't they just change the 'o' in their logo to a 'u'?

Re:Dull (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27283753)

don't you mean the e?

Re:Dull (5, Funny)

stonedcat (80201) | more than 5 years ago | (#27283841)

Didn't you hear that Dell changed their name to Doll?
It's just like SciFi becoming Syfy except not quite as retarded.

Re:Dull (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27284109)

SyFy .. lol

The perfect name for retarded viewers

Re:Dull (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27284131)

don't you mean the e?

That's Vice President Quayle to you, son.

Re:Dull (4, Funny)

ciaohound (118419) | more than 5 years ago | (#27283799)

change the 'o' in their logo to a 'u'?

"Logu?" "Lugo?" "Lugu?" I don't get it.

Re:Dull (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27283855)

Nono, he meant Dell! You didn't know it was spelled Doll? In the the UK it's Doull.

Re:Dull (1)

ciaohound (118419) | more than 5 years ago | (#27283913)

Is there an umlaut?

Re:Dull (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27284059)

Yës!

Re:Dull (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27285121)

In Germany, yes: Däll

Re:Dull (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27284287)

Congratulations! You just won the Dell's smartphone prize for dull people!

Who knew Acer had a phone? (4, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#27283773)

More interesting than a boring Dell phone, was a note near the end that Acer had a smrtphone out - one of them is the DX900 [youtube.com] , a Windows Mobile phone.

Sorry about the voice...

Re:Who knew Acer had a phone? (2, Informative)

dbcad7 (771464) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284033)

Good catch.. Google shopping results lead me to believe that this is not selling yet, but coming in April.. It does have some neat specs.. quad band, dual sim with an onboard gps receiver is a combo I have searched for before and not found.. I have found many dual sim with TV tuner (soon to be useless in the US) but none with the GPS.

Re:Who knew Acer had a phone? (1)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284279)

That voice is neat. It's obviously computer generated, but still neat!

Is this the one Enderle was hyping? (2, Insightful)

CatOne (655161) | more than 5 years ago | (#27283779)

I mean, given they pay him "consulting fees" I wouldn't doubt it. But maybe a contrarian viewpoint to Enderle... just take everything that he says as the "wrong" view and you'll do well.

Re:Is this the one Enderle was hyping? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27283803)

I have no idea what you are talking about...

Re:Is this the one Enderle was hyping? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27284079)

I like Rob, he's like a slugger who swings for the fences and sometimes misses the ball by two feet. Yeah, he was terribly wrong about SCO. This time, I think he's on to something. What Dell *used* to be good at (talking about the '90s) was operations, implementing industry standard engineering specs like VESA or PCI and sourcing the manufacturing and handling the distribution better than the competition. They grew like blazes, so much that the founder got full of himself, wrote a worthless business book and took cheap shots at competitors like Apple. Then they decided they needed to pad their bottom line. I personally stopped buying from them after they stiffed me on my $150 rebate about 5 years ago, on my $2000+ purchase from them.

In short, they now seem to be run by morons, like a lot of other huge companies.

Re:Is this the one Enderle was hyping? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27284125)

Excellent points Rob.

G2 (4, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#27283853)

Bring on the G2 (or whatever it will be called for Sprint and Verizon) in April. I'm also curious how Nokia will respond now that they own Qt, and they've got working fully functional KDE 4 desktops on their n810 tablets.

Bring on the OLED screens that are thinner, use less battery, and have much higher resolution.

Smartphones are going to explode in the next two years. People said you didn't "need" a camera in your phone, or GPS, and they're becoming commonplace. Most people don't "need" a smartphone, but everyone will have one, and we'll find new uses for them.

Re:G2 (5, Funny)

timothy (36799) | more than 5 years ago | (#27283977)

"Smartphones are going to explode in the next two years."

Which ones?!

Re:G2 (4, Funny)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284135)

The ones with Sony batteries!

Re:G2 (5, Funny)

SmlFreshwaterBuffalo (608664) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284593)

Can't be. Who's ever heard of a Sony battery lasting anywhere near two years?

Thank you. (0, Offtopic)

taxman_10m (41083) | more than 5 years ago | (#27283871)

Come again.

mod8 3own (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27283929)

Re:mod8 3own (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27285255)

Comprehending goatse is easier than comprehending that post. Maybe viewing the goatse picture resulted brain damage for the troll poster.

shocking (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27284007)

It's shocking to see that AppleInsider doesn't pull any punches when writing about a Dell phone. I wonder what their point of view is towards the iPhone.....

Innovate at the Corporate Level (1)

NicknamesAreStupid (1040118) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284021)

Dell buys HTC.

Re:Innovate at the Corporate Level (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284589)

Dell buys HTC.

... HTC (now a subsidiary of Dell) starts releasing rubbish devices. I don't think there is anything good on this planet that Dell couldn't turn into a turd.

Mini 9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27285423)

The Dell Mini 9 is a fine netbook but that of course if beyond the grasp of your brain.

Ive used all kinds of laptops and its a freaking machine and even the junkiest 10pds Acer laptop can still do a decent job.

Go ahead (0, Offtopic)

retech (1228598) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284025)

Tell everyone exactly how you feel.

Get noticed (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284039)

If you can't have a fashion victim feeling comfortable with your phone, then you have just found painted yourself into a crowed corner of other generic looking devices. If you are going to charge someone $200-$400 for a phone, then it better not look like it was put together without any care for appearance. If you want to make a generic phone, be ready to charge no more than $50 for it.

Re:Get noticed (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 5 years ago | (#27285171)

Re "If you want to make a generic phone, be ready to charge no more than $50 for it."
Bic mobile phone - looks not unlike the Bic razor
http://digital-lifestyles.info/2008/07/11/bic-phone-launches-in-france-e49-mobile-ready-to-go/ [digital-lifestyles.info]
http://www.techdigest.tv/2008/07/bic_mobile_phon_1.html [techdigest.tv]
and a nice video with a French voice over
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6cykt_premiers-test-du-bic-phone_tech [dailymotion.com]
and in English (ad before warning)
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoChannel=2602&videoId=88851 [reuters.com]

Screw the carriers (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27284043)

Screw the carriers. Just release the phone worldwide as an unlocked GSM phone.

Apple Insider (5, Insightful)

i.of.the.storm (907783) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284081)

Uh, does anyone else find it a bit suspect that this is from a site called Apple Insider? For me that completely ruins the credibility of this story. I mean, any smartphone is miles less dull than the generic clamshells and candybars that the telcos keep pushing.

Re:Apple Insider (3, Informative)

Karlt1 (231423) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284165)

Uh, does anyone else find it a bit suspect that this is from a site called Apple Insider? For me that completely ruins the credibility of this story. I mean, any smartphone is miles less dull than the generic clamshells and candybars that the telcos keep pushing.

The Apple Insider article and the Slashdot summary also linked here:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/dell-phone-stalled-poor-reception/story.aspx?guid= [marketwatch.com] {E1450208-5E11-4A8F-B726-85A6AFF04E2A}

Re:Apple Insider (3, Informative)

caerwyn (38056) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284169)

The first link from Apple Insider is definitely a bit on the biased side. The second link, though, is to MarketWatch, and is a little better on the fact/rant ratio.

Re:Apple Insider (2, Interesting)

slyn (1111419) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284657)

Appleinsider used to be (and probably still is) the best *editorial* apple rumor website. However, more recently their best writer (Prince McLean) has become more like Daniel Eran Dilger of RouglyDrafted in his style and bias. In the websites "Road to Snow Leopard" series about OS 10.6, occasionally McLean would cite Dilger concerning random tidbits of Mac history, but not often enough to make the articles bad like Dilgers self-citing poorly written biased excuses for articles are. More recently though, McLeans articles are becoming equally snarky and has a lot of shots against apple competitors just like Dilgers articles, making me think that McLean is a just a pseudonym/sockpuppet for Dilger (which would be further supported by the fact that Dilger posts all of McLeans editorials on his site).

Either way its unfortunate whether its true or not, because it means either that McLean is not Dilger but is being influenced by one of the most pompous worst apple editorialists in the worst possible way, or that McLean is Dilger, and that Dilger actually has the potential to write decent articles (like McLeans earlier writing on the site), but instead writes the trash like what normally ends up on Roughly Drafted.

Re:Apple Insider (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27284915)

McLean is Dilger

Yes, that is common knowledge.

Re:Apple Insider (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27284991)

Regardless of who the writer is or isn't, it's sad to see the RoughlyDrafted drivel on AppleInsider. RoughlyDrafted loves to try to "debunk" things that are actually true and is one of the folks that makes being a fan of Apple embarrassing. AppleInsider used to be a good source of Apple knowledge a long time ago but now mostly rehashes press releases and posts half-truth drivel. MacRumors is now pretty much the best bet in the business.

Re:Apple Insider (1)

zullnero (833754) | more than 5 years ago | (#27285097)

So, because they specialize in "Apple rumors", that makes them unbiased when reviewing competitor's phones?

I don't think so. That's like going to Treocentral and think you're going to get a resounding review of the iPhone as it stacks up to the Treo.

Re:Apple Insider (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284899)

it's a timothy/kdawson story. facts and fact checking have no place in it.

Re:Apple Insider (1)

zullnero (833754) | more than 5 years ago | (#27285077)

I certainly get the feeling that the "pulls no punches" part of this writeup is kind of redundant, considering that yes, it's by AppleInsider.

Of course Apple fanboys are going to rag on the competitor's phone. These are the same types of people who fervently believe that Apple invented the smartphone.

Re:Apple Insider (1)

triffid_98 (899609) | more than 5 years ago | (#27285489)

..and the mp3 player, and the GUI, the mouse, ad nauseum.

Of course Apple fanboys are going to rag on the competitor's phone. These are the same types of people who fervently believe that Apple invented the smartphone.

Phone Economics? (2, Interesting)

PPH (736903) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284107)

I guess I don't really understand the economics behind handsets. I've always bought my own and never through the service provider. Thanks to AT&Ts following the GSM standard, I just put my SIM chip in whatever phone I want and I'm good to go.

What is the likelyhood that some manufacturer comes out with some compelling device and sell it directly to the consumers? The consumers use it in spite of the desires of the network operators.

Re:Phone Economics? (4, Insightful)

wagnerer (53943) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284703)

Your behavior just hi-lights the fact that you don't understand the economics. A portion of that monthly service payment to the carrier either goes to pay off the cost of the phone subsidy or directly to the carriers profit line. At the very least get one of the free phones with it to keep as a back-up. If you don't want it then donate it to charity. But I'm sure the AT&T stockholders appreciate your contribution to their dividend checks.

Re:Phone Economics? (2)

Microlith (54737) | more than 5 years ago | (#27285005)

What is the likelyhood that some manufacturer comes out with some compelling device and sell it directly to the consumers?

Low, because most people want a fancy device and won't think a second thought about buying into a 2 year contract in exchange for a $100 superphone.

Most people wouldn't pay $600 for a phone up front. The only company that -could- get away with it and be successful these days would be Apple, but they get a huge amount of concessions from the carriers because they can bring the hype and the customers.

They should have hired a foreign designer (1)

chrisG23 (812077) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284141)

And designed it to be an ultra-thin portable aphrodisiac.........

Re:They should have hired a foreign designer (1)

MadnessASAP (1052274) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284685)

And designed it to be an ultra-thin portable aphrodisiac.........

Those are mutually exclusive you know.

Re:They should have hired a foreign designer (2, Funny)

Orbijx (1208864) | more than 5 years ago | (#27285131)

Butbutbutbut, why didn't they just add cellular capabilities to the a-daaaah-mo, then?
It'd make it the ultimate little black book, then. :)

Dell missed its opportunity (3, Insightful)

grapeape (137008) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284143)

Dell missed its opportunity when it unceremoniously dumped its PDA line, after having one of the best with the x50v they pulled away to focus on MP3 players that no one wanted delivering millions of what were nearly fanatical users straight into the hands of what would now be their competition.

Re:Dell missed its opportunity (0)

binaryspiral (784263) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284357)

The Axim was dumped because of sales and stiff competition from other manufacturers like HP wiping the floor with their PDA features.

Axims were the same as Dell's desktops - mediocre consumer grade hardware but nothing to get excited about.

Re:Dell missed its opportunity (4, Insightful)

grapeape (137008) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284431)

How so? I picked the x51v over the Ipaq hx4700 which was the current model when Dell dropped their PDA line.

Spec for spec the Axim trounced the Ipaq, it had more memory, a graphics co-processor, consumer IR, vga out, the same processor, same resolution, and a cheaper price.

Re:Dell missed its opportunity (1)

itsthebin (725864) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284635)

android on the Axim http://axdroid.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

my Axim is still in use every day - it is only the battery that is letting it down

Dell just needs to spec some good hardware again and let android developers make it "sexy"

Re:Dell missed its opportunity (1)

Eun-HjZjiNeD (1001079) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284911)

I bought an HX4700 before Dell came out with the x51v. If I had waited 2 months I would have got the Axim over the iPaq. Not to mention the 'touch pad' is freakishly annoying on the hx4700. I had the chance to use an axim, however, and the panel dell used was very sub par. My hx4700 still works and looks beautifully, except the touch pad has broken, and would cost me over 100$ to replace it. None of HP pdas to date appeal to me as a replacement, even though my current PDA is slightly broken... IMO, the smartphone industry killed the PDA. Thats why Dell dropped out and HP make such crapty PDAs as of late. If dell made a smartphone now with simmilar specs to the old axim, but with a better panel [like the sony panel on the hx4700] I would buy one in a heartbeat. As long as it's NOT running win mobile.

Re:Dell missed its opportunity (3, Insightful)

Kaboom13 (235759) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284611)

I owned an Axim. At the time I bought it, they had the same or better specs then the iPaqs for $50-$100 less. They ran the same OS (Windows Mobile) and a year or so down the line when MS updated, Axim owners got a free update and owners of the HP model I had considered at the same time got the shaft. Really the only place HP beat them was on appearance.

It seems more likely that Dell decided there was not a lot of money to be made in pda's (they have always been a niche market) and gave up their slowly gaining market share to go chase the iPod.

Re:Dell missed its opportunity (1)

Bright Apollo (988736) | more than 5 years ago | (#27285421)

Troll.

The Dell Axim x50v had a CF slot *and* an SD slot, not to mention Wifi and Bluetooth. If the only thing HTC did was update the Axim line to handle 802.11abg/n -- and perhaps a consequent ROM upgrade to WinMo6 -- they'd sell as many as they could make. Those were extremely capable machines. In fact, it's the primary input device for my HTPC. Why buy a wireless kbd/mouse when I can control the whole thing remotely? Hell, the fuckin' thing has an IR blaster in it! Ditch all the remotes!

All right, let me compose myself here. Yeah, so, Axims, great devices. Update the radios, I'll take it. I'll take any resistive panel over crapacitive.

-BA

Dell's strategy is all wrong. (4, Insightful)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284161)

They should be shooting for volume sales of a hot platform, like their current PC strategy is now.

Instead of trying to build a gee-whiz unique product, they should be building a phone that's cheaper than an HTC G1, runs Android and is available to a variety of networks. Dull, sure, but at a pricepoint beating the G1, it doesn't have to be a flashy offering, just usable and capture the enthusiasm of the G1 fanbase and potential market. 3G, Bluetooth, Web and Android apps.

What else would they need?

Re:Dell's strategy is all wrong. (4, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284233)

Instead of trying to build a gee-whiz unique product, they should be building a phone that's cheaper than an HTC G1, runs Android and is available to a variety of networks.

That sounds a lot like what they did, actually. We don't know how much they wanted for this, but it was capable of Android and Windows Mobile and they tried marketing it to multiple providers. The providers weren't interested. They want low end non-smart phones and high end smart phones.

What else would they need?

Buy in from providers and economy of scale to make it cheap enough.

Re:Dell's strategy is all wrong. (1)

alex4u2nv (869827) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284705)

Thats what I would've expected also. For them to develop a dull but very practical, interoperable and cheap system to compete for the enterprise market space that RIM is still holding on to.

Re:Dell's strategy is all wrong. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27284877)

What else would they need?

Microsoft's blessing?

dull is a criteria?? (1)

yvanthegreat (1032262) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284199)

now really... Since when is a phone capable of being dull? And if you're not dull yourself, why bother if people think your cellphone is? Seems to me some people are trying to compensate for their own lack of being interesting by needing a cellphone that isn't 'dull'. Hardly shocking news of course...

Re:dull is a criteria?? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27284403)

Dude you're getting a Dull!

Re:dull is a criteria?? (4, Funny)

dangitman (862676) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284661)

Every phone I've bought has been dull. They tend to have rounded corners, because otherwise you'd be cutting your face on the sharp edges. That's why I never bought a Razr.

Smartphones? (0)

Quantos (1327889) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284241)

Why do people keep calling them smartphones? They aren't going to know that I'm having a stroke and phone 911 for me.
What happened to a phone being a phone? (I think I just might be showing my age there.) Why do we need all these reasons to have dead batteries so that when there is an important call-or we need to make an important, we can't.

Re:Smartphones? (1)

nloop (665733) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284257)

Get off my lawn!

Re:Smartphones? (1)

mkiwi (585287) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284435)

Re:Smartphones? (1)

Quantos (1327889) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284571)

Actually I wasn't kidding, I'm dead serious.
That is a cool feature for the iPhone, but again it burns through batteries fast when it's used for that.
It will take a lot more than what they have now to convince me that I need one.

Re:Smartphones? (2, Interesting)

NoobixCube (1133473) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284525)

I've always said a "smartphone" will never cut the mustard for me. I don't care how many PDA-like features it has, the PDA features will always be inferior to a real PDA. What I want is a PDA with phone features like voice and text. A netbook with a voip service would sum up the functionality I want, though I'd want it in a smaller form factor.

Re:Smartphones? (1)

TrancePhreak (576593) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284697)

What PDA features are you speaking about? A Windows Mobile phone is basically just what you described. They took their PDA's and put phone equipment in them.

Re:Smartphones? (4, Insightful)

east coast (590680) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284539)

If you want your normal cellphone, by all means, buy it. You see, they make different phones for different people with different needs. They make tons of phones for people just like you! No one is stopping you.

Now, I'll go back to my smartphone that suits my purposes much better. After all, I bought it, I have the right to get what I want out of my phone. Why is this always such a problem around here? And worse, who mods these people up for people having choices?

carriers don't care (2, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284259)

According to an article in the register carriers are more concerned, as ould be expected, with how to extract a profit from a phone [theregister.co.uk] rather than an innovative feature set.

Given the phones that have not made it to the US market, and the fact that the iPhone has to bypass the carriers all together, I do not trust their judgement on how interesting a phone might be. OTOH, given that it is a Dell, and does run an MS OS, I would assume that it was just another phone, perhaps full of gee whiz features, but not worth stocking over any other mobile device.

Perhaps they should approach Cricket or Boost Mobile. I don't think either of those has a smart phone, and Dell can likely make it cheap enough, as MS probably has some motivation to get into this extremely low level market sector.

Re:carriers don't care (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284681)

and the fact that the iPhone has to bypass the carriers all together

Pardon?

Re:carriers don't care (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284695)

What do you mean the iPhone bypasses carriers all together? I cannot think of a way in this is true.

Re:carriers don't care (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27284767)

Apple designed the phone they wanted. They then went to each carrier and told them what to do to make it work. Compare this to what happened with Motorola and the Razr. In the US Verizon had one model. According to the people I talked to an Cingular at the time, it was modified quite a bit to meet cingualars needs. And it was a different phone in other markets. Compare this to the iPhone, where, except for government limitations, it is the same phone. The vendor lock ins are in exchange for doing business not as usual.

A lesson for all computer companies (1)

g_adams27 (581237) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284297)

When will computer manufacturers learn that they don't have the expertise to design cool, sleek products like a cell phone? They should leave that to other companies like Appl...

er...

nuts, why doesn't this "Add Comment" form have a "Cancel" button?

Re:A lesson for all computer companies (1)

EEPROMS (889169) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284519)

They should leave that to other companies like Appl...
So innovative it took them 3 years to offer "cut and past" on their phone

Re:A lesson for all computer companies (3, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284577)

So innovative it took them 3 years to offer "cut and past" on their phone

Oh yeah? Does YOUR cell phone have time travel capabilities?

I thought not.

Re:A lesson for all computer companies (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284715)

Palm CEO Ed Colligan in November 2006:

"We've learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone. PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in."

Government should be sued for free public airwaves (1)

zymano (581466) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284363)

We need an alternative to to the phone companies.

What kind of dull? (1)

supernova_hq (1014429) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284409)

Dull as in boring, or dull as in not shiny (apple people, there is a difference).

If they mean boring, then fine, I can see that as a bad thing

If they mean not shiny, then what's the problem? I specifically bought a non-shiny phone (w385) because it has rubber on 50% of the phone and neither scratches nor needs a cover that makes it 150% thicker. If only it were unlockable...

Re:What kind of dull? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27285189)

Dull as in no sharp edges. Some people still aren't allowed to play with blades.

Duh...Dell is stagnating (2, Insightful)

FooGoo (98336) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284513)

Dell seems to be trying to be Apple with their smart phones and their bizarre new aluminum netbook. Commodity equipement makes only innovate in reducing their production costs not in product development/design.

Dell is in a tight spot being squeezed by Apple at the high end and other commodity PC manufacturer at the low end.

Well I For One... (1)

Miseph (979059) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284613)

Am completely shocked. Really. I just can't believe that APPLINSIDER would publish an article claiming Dell isn't able to make a consumer savvy, portable well-designed smartphone able to compete with other leading competitors. Man, it's like they are openly advocating for another company with an entry in that market which touts itself as the ultimate consumer savvy designer portable device manufacturer or something. That's just brutal.

Re:Well I For One... (1)

Renderer of Evil (604742) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284749)

Appleinsider isn't the source. This appeared in Marketwatch. Check the second link for the original.

Re:Well I For One... (1)

Swampash (1131503) | more than 5 years ago | (#27285471)

Two words: Adamo

Retrograde'em (1)

Neptunes_Trident (1452997) | more than 5 years ago | (#27284797)

Make'em Beige in color and watch droves of fools part with their cash!

The writing is on the wall for Dell (1)

PingXao (153057) | more than 5 years ago | (#27285111)

It has been for several years IMO, but now it's becoming clear that they won't be able to alter the course of events. I think the fate of the company is no longer in its own hands. A sale is more likely than a bankruptcy. I can see IBM taking another shot at this market segment :) It might be worth a shot if they can get it cheap enough.

Dude, you're getting a Dull! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27285331)

n/t

The only thing Dell was ever any good at... (2, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | more than 5 years ago | (#27285369)

Was build-to-order and fast delivery. They grew like crazy by being aggressive cost-cutters, and when they cut the costs to the point where their low quality started to get on their customers' nerves, their decline was a foregone conclusion.

-jcr

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