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Increase In Xbox 360 E74 Problems

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the revenge-of-the-red-ring dept.

XBox (Games) 346

Xbm360 writes "According to data collected by Joystiq as well as Google Trends, there's been a steady rise in reports and discussion of the so-called E74 error on Xbox 360 consoles since August of last year. The E74 error is related to video problems caused by either a faulty AV connector or, more often, a loosened ANA/HANA scaling chip. This is not the first time the Xbox 360 has experienced technical issues; in recent years many people have complained about scratched discs and over-heating consoles — the 'red ring of death.'"

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Afro-Leninst Obama Bankrupting the USA Tsarkon Rpt (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295753)

Afro-Leninst Obama Bankrupting the USA Tsarkon Rpt

Barack Hussein Barry-Soetoro-Afro-Leninist Obama II. , hell bent on bankrupting the USA once and for all.

- Chairman Barack Hussein "The Teleprompter" Obama is deeply connected to corruption, Rahm Emanuel (Radical authoritarian Statist-Zionist whose father was part of the Murderous Civilian Killing Israeli Terrorist Organization known as IRGUN), Connected to Rod Blagojevich (Rahm inherited Rod's federal-congress seat), Connected to Ayers, a man who promotes the concept that civilian collateral damage is ok in a war against freedom, Preacher Jeremiah Wright, who is himself a black-elitist who wants all the people who largely "pay the freight" to suffer, 31 million on food stamps, more blacks are in prison and on food-stamps per capita than anyone else. The problem with Wright is simply this: the facts are "racist."
- Obama: Racist, AIPAC-Zionist, Corrupted and a Traitor and a Liar who can't even produce a valid birth certificate (which is not a certificate of live birth)
- Raytheon lobbyist in Pentagon
- Goldman Sachs insider second in command at Treasury.
- Cabinet has had several nominees and appointees with multiple tax fraud issues.
- The head of the IRS and the head of the Treasury, Geithner, is a Tax Cheat
- Lied about no lobbyists
- Lied about having a new degree of accountability and a SUNSHINE period of new laws, he has signed bills with little or no review at whitehouse.gov as promised.
- Appointed a second amendment violating Rich-pardoning treasonist Eric Holder as AG, the top cop of the USA, a man who helped a fugitive evade justice.
- Has not put a dime in for a single new nuclear power plant but wants to help bridges and roads to promote more driving.
- Obama, Blagojevich and Rahm Emanuel have a LOT to hide. They literally lived next to each other, Rahm had (until being Chairman Obama's Chief of staff) Blagojevich's old federal congressional seat. Blagojevich helped Chairman "The Teleprompter" Obama cheat his way to the Illinois senate by getting other candidates thrown off the ballot in Illinois. Why do you think Blagojevich was so mad? Obama DID owe him, big time. Rahm and Obama are using Blagojevich and trying to cut his head off to keep him away.
- Tony Rezko, Iraqi Arms Dealer Nahdmi Auchi, and of course Aiham Alsammarae. Chairman "The Teleprompter" Hussein Obama is so corrupted its a joke.
- Fools and "useful idiots" twist the pie charts by leaving welfare, workfare, interest on debt, social security, Medicare and Medicaid out and focusing only on non-whole "discretionary" pie charts.
2007 high level pie chart, Federal Budget, USA [wikimedia.org]
2009 Pie chart, detailed, Federal Budget, USA [wikimedia.org]
- Chairman Obama is drastically increasing spending and creating more entitlements that will make the US less competitive (especially against China, India, East Europe/Russia). This will be a huge disaster and change you can believe in will strap you and your grandkids with more debt. No taxation without representation? Obama is spending money for the next two-three generations and they can't even vote yet, or even have been born.
- An alternative to the dollar and a forex and a reserve currency came up at the last G20 meeting. The world will not take faith in Obama's liar-socialist spending and welfare state, why should the taxpayers (plebian citizen-slaves of a police state).
- The spending going on now vastly eclipses all previous spending. In fact, the massive trillion plus debts is a thing of the 80's onwards. Congress signs the checks, remember that Year after year, as egregious as the pentagon spending is, that the social spending is completely a waste of money and it is unfunded over the long term. Eisenhower built the interstates, the US could build a new power infrastructure with this money but instead is being pissed into creating more of an entitlement system that is STILL unfunded, and without massive poll-taxes and far more aggressive progressive taxes, could NEVER be funded.
- The budgeting being done today were recently reported by a non-partisan auditing commission will lead to about 10 TRILLION in new debt over the next 10 years. Obama is going to double the national debt while doing nothing to address the unfunded debt obligations of Social Security.
- Clinton appointed David Walker of the GAO, he quit, the unfunded debt obligations have rendered the USA insolvent according to accounting standards.
Taxpayers on the hook for $59 trillion [usatoday.com]
US Public Debt Unfunded Debt Obligations [wikipedia.org]
- Most of the world population gets NOTHING from their governments, or a very bare minimum or services that benefit only the upper echelons of society. However, the liar Chairman Obama says we need his universal "state-hospital" rationed health care to be competitive. Bull. China and India give nothing, and they are the biggest threat to the American worker. By forcing healthcare and higher taxes, Americans will be less competitive.
- If you think 60% tax rates end to end (income, accounts receivable tax, building permit tax, CDL tax, cigarette tax, corporate income tax, dog license tax, federal income tax, unemployment tax, gasoline tax, hunting license tax, fishing license tax, waterfowl stamp tax, inheritance tax, inventory tax, liquor tax, luxury tax, Medicare tax, city, school and county property tax (up 33 percent last 4 years), real estate tax, social security tax, road usage tax, toll road tax, state and city sales tax, recreational vehicle tax, excise tax, state franchise tax, state unemployment tax, telephone federal excise tax, telephone federal state and local surcharge tax, telephone minimum usage surcharge tax, telephone state and local tax, utility tax, vehicle license registration tax, capital gains tax, lease severance tax, oil and gas assessment tax, misc internet sales tax and many more taxes that I can't recall at the moment) will make the US competitive, along with compulsory programs to provide everyone with health care is going to make the US competitive in the age of India and China, you are a joke.
- As the US nationalizes (read: rations healthcare) to the least common denominator of affordability without regard to efficacy, people with money will simply look into medical tourism so those with money can go to medical parks in India and get real health care. Those who have lived in Canada or in the UK can tell you "free" healthcare is NOT a panacea. If you think this, you are again, a useful idiot. The NHS in the UK has given bad blood and Hepatitis and AIDS blood to people, and Jade Goody who just died was misdiagnosed twice resulting in her death (She was all cleared twice of cervical cancer which she just died of). The NHS in the UK is not able to be sued or held accountable. Neither will Chairman Obama's rationed health care service for America.
- Sorry to bust the socialist bubble-lie, but support of these types of policies will simply lower the standard of living in the USA, particularly for the middle class. At least at the end of the Eisenhower projects the USA got roads to show for the spending, and with this new spending, the USA could have built power plants that get the USA out of the middle east, but the age of government for the sake of government is upon us, and the useful idiots line up and believe empty promises.
The pentagon (and Bechtel, Kroll, Bluewater, Halliburton, etc) could get less than half of what they get today, but that will fix nothing fundamental in terms of government spending. It is simply not enough to make a difference when compared to the Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security entitlements.
See: YouTube - US Government Immorality Will Lead to Bankruptcy [youtube.com]
- If Obama thinks its ok to lie to 300 million people about being able to "take care of them" without even being honest about what that care would look like, then being an idiot and believing in Obama is for you.
- The US Government already have over 50% of the budget on Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security. Socialists: Good job on that one, its working great. Solution to the current near-collapse-due-to-over-spending: add more unfunded entitlements!
- You Socialist-liars can break my spirit and my financial back to force me to "need" a federal government that is turning this country into a police state and turn it into a quasi-socialist lie, but I will, I must put up a fight. I have kids to educate and feed, and the stuff you sell (which is failing to various degrees everywhere else as implemented) is simply forcing a culture of failure on a once great, libertarian free country.
- I will not be complacent with your "change," and there will be a point where civil war will become an option. See how hard you can push before you get it. How much more than half can the truly productive workers in this country afford to pay. Keep pushing to find out how to start a civil war.
- The socialist-lie of a plan will not work, its not fundable, it WILL destroy the currency to fund it, and its really as simple as this: if this insanity is funded by borrowing from the US's economic and military adversaries then Obama and his socialist cabal is NOT fit to administrate society. Rome fell. Kings who mis-manged their treasuries all fell. Every example of unhinged spending leads to the same result: systemic collapse.
- Obama and his sycophantic lunatics would want to have a civil war to get Chairman Obama's way and force the socialist-lie system on my already tax paying law abiding ass. And as far as "no new taxes" for those under 250k, its a lie, the tax is called inflation, which is set to begin just about now that the Chinese wont want the USA's worthless treasuries to fund the socialist-lie fantasy (one that COMMUNIST China doesn't even try and sell to its people!)
- Chairman Obama's numbers don't add up. There is a $59 trillion dollar hole (UFDO) in social security alone. AIG $150 billion here, TARP $350 billion there. $800 billion for a highly dubious stimulus package. Another one on the way. $59 trillion hole in the balance sheet IGNORED. China saying they aren't going to buy treasuries, Clinton clamoring to find buyers now. $3.6 trillion dollar budget, potential military action on Mexico, Iran still a "terrorist state" at the behest of the AIPAC, spending up, dollar about to fall, inflation over time since Breton Woods extremely easy to document, yet, the socialist-liars question when the numbers (the Federal Government numbers) simply don't add up to the point where if the US-GOV was a company it would be insolvent.
  -How dare the taxpayers question what Chairman Obama's drastic spending increases are going to do to the purchasing power of our savings because Chairman Obama wants to recklessly spend and try to maintain and American empire AND guarantee a standard of living, and Chairman Obama doesn't even want to build a single nuclear power plant to do it? Chairman Obama must be a complete and total lunatic moron.
- Obama is either a negligent idiot or an unhinged maniac with delusional fantasies. Meanwhile, Chainman Obama's tax dodging Treasury Secretary has 17 unfilled positions, the Treasury Dept. isn't even functioning at this point.
- "General welfare" in the constitution was, according to the man who wrote it, Madison, meant to be extremely limited in scope. The federal government per the constitution doesn't even have the enumerated POWER to deal with economic messes. A lot of these "POWERS" were created while there is a crisis to dupe the public into accepting an un-constitutional authoritarian regime as the government and to usurp authority over the people.
- The USA is a constitutional republic. A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting to eat a sheep. Also a constitutional republic isn't about using a barely-majority or a plurality to stuff your (un-fundable disastrous) crap down the disenfranchised other-half's throat.
- With Obama's authoritarian corrupted criminal (aiding and abetting a criminal in flight of prosecution, Rich case) Eric Holder in charge, we won't have our inalienable and enumerated rights to firearms much longer. For a constitutional law expert, Obama must have never read the federalist papers or he would simply hand himself as a traitor.
- The arbitrary expansion of "general welfare" is not only unconstitutional, it may very well lead to a serious conflict on the issue.
- Here is a debate on general welfare and how stuff like this came to pass, but was clearly no intended by the authors of the document of root law.
In Federalist No. 41, James Madison asked rhetorically: "For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power?" (In reference to the general welfare clause)
So strongly did the founders believe that "general welfare" wouldn't be expanded as written:
In Federalist No. 84, Alexander Hamilton indirectly confirmed Madison's point. (That the "general welfare" clause was "clearly" nota free pass for government)
Hamilton argued that a bill of rights, which many were clamoring for, would be not only unnecessary, but dangerous. Since the federal government was given only a few specific powers, there was no need to add prohibitions: it was implicitly prohibited by the listed powers. If a proposed law a relief act, for instance wasn't covered by any of these powers, it was unconstitutional.
"why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do? Why, for instance, should it be said, that the liberty of the press shall not be restrained when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed?"
Hamilton goes on to argue that making Amendments (e.g., enumerating Free speech, press and assembly) and enumerating the 'right' would have the following effect:
(A bill of rights) "would furnish, to men disposed to usurp, a plausible pretence for claiming that power that is, a power to regulate the press, short of actually shutting it down. "
"With respect to the words 'general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers (enumerated in the Constitution) connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." --James Madison [The US Supreme Court has found the meaning of "general welfare" in the Constitution to be much more elastic than did Mr. Madison. But as the "author of the Constitution," what does he know?]
James Madison, when asked if the "general welfare" clause was a grant of power, replied in 1792, in a letter to Henry Lee,

If not only the means but the objects are unlimited, the parchment [the Constitution] should be thrown into the fire at once.

"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government , and to provide new Guards for their future security. ...--The Declaration of Independence
- Wrong, monetizing failures causes more. Japan showed us this for decades. But hey, Chairman Obama thinks you can fix a problem DECADES in the making with a quick fixer-upper, he is screwed in the head.
- The complaints are with the Federal government (in general) since Breton Woods. The Federal Government and Obama's minions STILL didn't listen to David Walker, a Clinton appointee and former head of the GAO. This isn't about political parties anymore morons!
- Show me a single federal budget that was less than the previous. If this $3.6T budget goes, its never coming back barring systemic collapse.
- The United States Federal Government, The United States Federal Reserve, and the banks which were enabled to continue down reckless paths by a quasi government agency known as the Federal Reserve whose actions are not subject to congress and whose members are unelected. This situation is untenable and unconstitutional.
- Every inflationary road taken in history ends in collapse. Keynesian policies are widely regarded as no longer workable.
- Inflation is a tax: What ignorant tax and spenders don't take into account here is the relative percentages of people's wealth (both net and gross) and the costs of owning and maintaining houses, cars, standards of living.
- Inflation via deficit spending is going to make it such that you will be paying a lot more by percentage of your income to maintain a given standard of living. Obama's arguments are so poorly thought out and seek to blame "Republicans" for the mess, its really simply laughable - the needs cleanup now, not worsening.
- You can't spend your way out of a hole if the creditors (e.g. China) start telling the USA they won't buy. It is that simple. Now America starts to have to collateralize the debt with assets. The USA will be selling off chunks of American assets to back the new debt. One day, it may even be necessary to sell Alaska back to Russia because no one will take greenbacks to prop up a failing version of a modern Rome.
- Ah, here we go with the Matthew Lesko arguments. [lesko.com]
Interest rates were on the rise before the government stepped in with free money for everyone (the fine print of course indicate massive strings attached).
Other economies, for example, India, have the central rates set to far more reasonable/realistic rates (at the moment ~ 8+%), which is still tends to be too low, but shows that if you need someone else capital you need to pay a premium for it, and given that capital is in short supply, it would stand to reason that a premium must be charged for it.
The problem is the unrealistic growth rates of mature economies don't allow for profiting via growth projections (rather than simply earning money). So the government steps in, turns on the free money spigot, gets the interest rates for savings down in the 1-2% range while diluting the value of the whole currency in order to prop up dying companies that ran the business like a Madhoff Ponzi scheme.
- The Republicans aren't solely responsible for the crisis as Obama's minions would have you believe, congress is (no particular congress), the Executive of the US government (no particular one) and the US Federal Reserve System are all at fault.
- Fundamentally, the government is trying to fix the prices of various things to "make it all work." This pulling on the invisible hand is a fools venture. It was predicted long ago the housing collapse (and those, such as myself, in the know, wished while realizing the housing collapse coming that we were wrong for everyone's sake - but the truth is the truth) . It may be that the Austrian (von Mises) economists will ultimately be proven right.
- We are a nation of partially educated whiney grabby idiots, and we got the government that represents this. The Chinese, India and other up and coming nations will show no mercy for this arrogant abuse of our status as the world's forex reserves.
- War and asset sales will continue to be the only option for this scheme until it is corrected at the core. And to say that the government has already averted a depression by doing what they did (most of the monies injected wont be "felt" for some time), is just arrogance and stupidity. Price fixing prolonged the Great Depression. Price-fixing (or attempting to) houses will do the same, but probably worse.
- Obama's minions simply don't care if the US is bankrupted and rendered insolvent, they just want a say in how its done, presumably to "feel safe." Rather selfish.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." AND "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (Possibly Richard Jackson)

- Everyone better realize that inflation will pay a major role in funding un-fundable fantasies, wiping the savers and the middle class out. The problem is, that other countries are growing tired of making our Federal Reserve notes worth something by buying our debt as treasuries. Obama's minions talk about spending, but in order to "get what YOU want" you will sell debt to potential economic and military adversaries? Real bright. What's really sad is that despite David Walker being an authority on these issues, people refuse to even watch him and listen to what he is saying.
- On the success of Canada and its form of Socialism: A huge country like Canada with massive amounts of uranium and tar sands and natural resources and a huge land mass with a scant 30 million people is an order of magnitude less of a problem to manage than a country with 10x its population, a serious leaky southern border, backfiring aggressive foreign policy, particularly with Iran, and the US is competing with countries like India and China whose middle classes are larger than the US's entire population. The top 5 students in every Indian and Chinese primary school out numbers all the kids in primary school in the US. Canada is a idyllic island, the USA is front and center in an all out economic and political clash of ideologies.
- Cap and trade (and pollution control for solving global problems) will never work unless the top 10 countries in the world (in terms of both GDP and manufacturing capacity and population) are on board. Period end. If the world doesn't quickly move to nuclear now and fusion shortly, it is OVER possibly not if every home on the planet gets a wind vane, but that seems unlikely to happen (since its possible now).
- Keynes calls it "the paradox of thrift" and suggested that policies forcing people not to save is a "good idea." The guy wanted people spending all the time, or if he didn't, he never conveyed that to his protégés well enough for them to not do what they are doing. Right now the plebeians in the US are actually stashing cash, and everyone from Obama to the media is trying to get people to spend spend spend. The best thing for the long term is for people to prepare for the coming hell, not set out with no reserves.
- I have seen Keynes invoked to justify nearly every bad move in the past decade, and its warming up to be a potential currency collapse, the collapse of the US Treasury and Federal Reserve notes, and a collapse of the NYSE. And then they invoke Keynes to suggest the best way out of the mess is to spend out of an already near-critically debt massed black hole.
- A house is run like a town is run like a country or business is run like a state is run like a government. If there are things the government is doing that would either force your home into bankruptcy or into jail via fraud charges, then the government and banks shouldn't be operating in that fashion. A certain degree of stretchy liquidity is in order, but in terms of percent of GDP, there is no way of justifying what they US has now.
- Iceland failed at 850 percent debt to GDP. The US is at 350 and rising. It is not a good thing at all.
- What is happening to the dollar as a forex standard. [youtube.com]
- March 19, 2009 C-SPAN - "Let's Quit Destroying Our Dollar!" [youtube.com]
- HR 1207 (A bill to make the Fed more accountable and to answer questions regarding the dollar policy) [loc.gov]

Title: Obama sidetracked by fiscal mess, but presses on [yahoo.com]
"Being heard above the din may prove difficult. Lawmakers are wrangling over taxing people who got big bonuses and worrying the president's budget could generate $9.3 trillion in red ink over the next decade."
- Kremlin to pitch new global currency [infowars.com]
Russia proposes creation of global super-reserve currency

Holy crap, even the Russians and Chinese get it. Strange days are here.

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Re:Afro-Leninst Obama Bankrupting the USA Tsarkon (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295959)

Artist: Johnny Rebel Song: who likes a nigger

L.B.J. was a-flyin' one morn', Over south Louisiana...feeling for alarm, When he looks down below, and what does he see?, Two cajuns pullin' a nigger on ski's!, So he lands, and says, "Thanks for helping your black brother!", And them two cajuns just looked at each other, And said, "He might be smart, but I'll tell you something...", "He don't know a thing about alligator huntin'!", O-wop-bop-bam-bam, Who likes a nigger?, o-wop-bop-bam-bam
(CHORUS), Who likes a nigger?, o-wop-bop-bam-bam, Who likes a nigger?, And the hatin', everybody, is a-gettin' much bigger, Rich man travelin' down thru the South, Stopped in Mississippi to get a tooth pulled out, When he paid the doctor the charges due, He said "My nigger chauffer's got a bad tooth, too", "Well, I'll pull it...", said the doc, "but you'd better not holler!, Cause I'll have to charge you $200.00, Cause here in Mississippi he can't open his mouth, We'll have to go thru his bottom, to get the thing out!"
Chorus
There ain't much difference 'tween a nigger and a donkey, 'Bout as much between an ape and a monkey, Ones a little bigger, but you gotta agree, There's not very much more that you can see., But a mule earns his livin' by the sweat of his neck, While a nigger sits down and draws a gov't check, The nigger should be smarter, as a general rule, But in a spelling contest, I'd pick the mule!

Artist: Johnny Rebel Song: nigger hating me

I like sugar, and I like tea, But I don't like niggers...no siree!, There's two known things that'll make me puke, And that's a hog eatin' slop, and a big, black spook!, You know it...cause I show it, Like a barn-yard rooster I crow it!, And the NAACP, Would sure like to get a-hold of nigger-hatin' me!, Roses are red, and violet's are blue, And nigger's are black, you know that's true, But they don't mind, cause what the heck!, You gotta be black to get a welfare check!, And I'm broke...no joke, I ain't got a nickel for a coke!, And I ain't black, you see, So Uncle Sam won't help poor nigger-hatin' me., Jig-A-Boo, jig-a-boo...where are you?, I's here in the woodpile...watchin' you, Jig-A-Boo, jig-a-boo...come out!, No! Cause I'm scared of the white man's a-way down South, You know it!...cause I show it., Stick your black head out and I'll blow it!, And the NAACP, Can't keep you away from little old nigger-hatin' me!, Mirror, mirror...on the wall, Who is the blackest of them all?, A man named King, and there ain't no doubt, That he's causin' lots of trouble with his baboon mouth., Brewin'...he's a doin', It's caused by the trouble he's a-brewin', And the NAACP, Can't win if the white men stick with nigger-hatin' me!, Hey! Mr. President! What do you say?, When are we whites gonna have our day?, The nigger's had there's such a long, long time, I'm white, and it's time that I had mine!, You know it...cause I show it!, Stick your black head out and I'll blow it!, And the NAACP, Can't win if the white man sticks with nigger-hatin' me

Artist: Johnny Rebel Song: Affirmative Action

Affirmative action, what's this country coming to?, Affirmative action, what's the white man gonna do?, It's another government handout and simply said, "You've got to hire a nigger instead", I was down at the office, cleaning up the joint, Just doing a little extra, making brownie points, Cause I'd heard somebody say, a promotion's on the line, So I was working hard, I wa.nted that promotion to be mine, So I asked the CEO if I could have a try, He said "you work hard, son and I know you qualify., You're the best man for the job but it's out of my hands, I've got to give it to a nigger, courtesy of Uncle Sam", Oh affirmative action, what's this country coming to?, Affirmative action, what's the white man gonna do?, It's another government handout and simply said, "You've got to hire a nigger instead.", Now I went looking for a new job the very next day., I got an interview and things were surely going my way.., I was asked a lot of questions, I was giving it my best, My qualifications were impeccable, I could tell he was impressed, Then a nigger walked in and said, "yo, what's up, You need a man, well here I be. Say bro, you're in luck", The bossman looked at me and said "what can I do?, Uncle Sam says I've got to hire the nigger instead of you", Oh affirmative action, what's this country coming to?, Affirmative action, what's the white man gonna do?, It's another government handout and simply said, "You've got to hire the nigger instead", Now we've gotta stop what's happening to you and me., The feds have got to listen, and I'm sure you'll agree, We need to get their attention, and make them understand, I've been thinking about it lately, and I got a plan.., Oh let's act like a bunch of niggers and go out in the street., And demonstrate, and raise some hell, to everyone we meet, We'll stop taking all this crap that we have in the past., And tell Uncle Sam to stick the affirmative action up his ass., So affirmative action, what's this country coming to?, Affirmative action, what's the white man gonna do?, It's another government handout and simply said, "You've got to hire a nigger instead", Oh it's another government handout and simply said, "You've got to hire a nigger instead"

Artist: Johnny Rebel Song: Reparations

There you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, There you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me, You say all your ancestors were slaves, And that's the reason that you ought to get paid, You want something for nothing, you monkeys are all the same, You're putting all of the blame on the whites, We violated your civil rights, But your civil rights proven is nothing but a shakedown game., So there you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, There you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me, There ain't a slave still living today, So tell me why do you think we should pay?, For what we didn't do, and what didn't happen to you, You can always go back home, Where the monkeys and the baboons roam, And if you're ain't satisfied that's exactly what you ought to do., Hey there you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, There you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me, We don't owe you a damn thing, Man, you gotta be out of your mind, So take your reparations, And stick them where the sun don't shine, Hey there you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, And there you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me, We don't owe you a damn thing, Hey, you gotta be out of your mind, So take your reparations, And stick them where the sun don't shine, Hey there you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, There you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me, I said listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me

Artist: Johnny Rebel Song: Alabama Nigger

I'm an Alabama Nigger and I wanna be free, Hell with the N double A C P, I dont drink, I dont cuss, I wanna ride on the front of the bus, I'm an Alabama Nigger and I wanna be free, Hell with the N double A C P, I wanna eat where the white folks eat, cause I'm white on the bottom of my feet., I'm an Alabama Nigger and I wanna be free, Hell with the N double A C P, We dont screw like the white folks do, we just screw til we get through, I'm an Alabama Nigger and I wanna be free, Hell with the N double A C P, I wanna be white more and more, so i can bitch at the nigger next door, I'm an Alabama Nigger and I wanna be free, Hell with the N double A C P, I'm glad this tune came along, we done wore out one nigger song., I'm an Alabama Nigger and I wanna be free, Hell with the N double A C P, I wanna be white dont you understand, so I can play in a trashy white band, I'm an Alabama Nigger and I wanna be free, Hell with the N double A C P, I'm an Alabama Nigger and I wanna be free, Hell with the N double A C P

Artist: Johnny Rebel Title: DAMN, I WISH I WAS A NIGGER

if i was a nigger...i could drive a cadillac with class, my pocket stuffed with welfare checks, and i could sit on my big black ass, now you take a nigger, he aint nobody's fool, he doesn't buy any gasoline to drive his kids to school, damn i wish i was a nigger, our government has gone crazy, id change things if i could, if i was only a nigger, i could afford to live in a white neighborhood, oh the things that i could do, if i was black and hell bent, i could send my kids to college, and it wouldn't cost me one damn cent, damn i wish i was a nigger, the wife and i were down on our luck, we were really getting uptight, they said at the welfare office, you aint black you're white, oh how I've tried to get a job, a diploma i had with pride, the post office man laughed and said youre not dark enough to even qualify, damn i wish i was a nigger, i took a civil service exam, and passed it without shame, a nigger took one next to me, and he couldnt even write his own name, the nigger, he got the job, now he's government top ?prass?, he couldn't qualify for a trash truck, I'm out on the street on my ass, damn i wish i was a nigger, if i was a Jesse Jackson, id be nobody's slob, wearin $500.00 dollar suits, that nigger hasn't even got a job, if i was Jackson Brown, i could sit back and relax, and if elected president, could paint the white house black, damn i wish i was a nigger, if i was a jig-a-boo, i could find me my roots, with a afro big as a watermelon, and a pair of white disco boots, if i was only dark complexioned, i could stand tall in this life, i could eat high off the hog, just me and my white wife, damn i wish i was a nigger, things are supposed to be segregated, but things are a little off key, I've never seen a white man, head...of the NAACP, it aint that i don't like a nigger, if I've rubbed you wrong by chance, take a look at that mistletoe, hanging on the seat of my pants, damn i wish i was a nigger, if i was a kinky top, i could be a Martin Luther King, id have me a vision on a mountain top, my song the whole world would sing, i could have me a peace march, on the streets of Memphis, Tennessee, i could tare up the whole damn city, and the police wouldn't dare stop me, damn i wish i was a nigger, a lot of things in life i know, but one thing i cant figure, why a nigger can call me a honkey, and i cant call a nigger a nigger, if i was a jungle bunny, i could ring a golden bell, i could be a Mohammed Ali, and be loved by Howard Coozell, damn i wish i was a nigger, if i was a you-bangy, 7 foot tall and lean, i could be a famous player, on the Washington basketball team, if i was only chocolate brown, i could have me some turnip greens, a possum fat an watermelon, chitlens and a pot of butter beans, damn i wish i was a nigger, now when Martin Luther King, was buried in Washington with class, face down in his box, so the politicians could kiss his ass, i guess its just politics, and it sure gets my goat, kiss assin with a nigger, just to get his vote, damn i wish i was a nigger, if i was only a ?birdhead?, id live high on the hill, sellin cocaine and prostitutes, and poppin all kinds of pills, now take the NAACP, they can march and raise all kinds of hell, let the KKK start to move, and they'll all wind up in jail, damn i wish i was a nigger, i dreamed my life was over, i heard saint peter say, today we're taken on the niggers, you've gotta go the..other way, then i heard the devil, he said i heard what peter had to say, but I'm sorry to tell you son, today in hell...is nigger day, damn don't you wish you were a nigger, I'm going back to the hills of Arkansas, where they don't have those not damn one sided nigger peace marches, protesters, welfare check grabbers, I'm gon' plant me some turnip greens in a watermelon patch, raise me a hog, and a big fat possum, i said yes i am your mother

Artist: Johnny Rebel Title: If I Could Be A Nigger For A Day

Hello, I'm Johnny Rebel. For a long time we've listened to these niggers pitch a fit, 'bout their hard times, and civil rights. Well, ain't that the pits? So I think I'll take me an imaginary trip, and try to be a nigger for a day., If I could be a nigger for a day, I could live my life the free and easy way, I'd take from Uncle Sam and let the white man pay, If I could be a nigger for a day, Now for one whole day, a nigger I could be, The first thing I'd do is join the NAACP, And I'd let Fwyzee and Foo-May do my thinkin' for me, If I could be a nigger for a day, Now I wouldn't wanna work, 'cause I wouldn't have to, Guess what I'd do next, well, you shouldn't need a clue, I'd go down to social services like all the brothers do, If I could be a nigger for a day, Oh if I could be a nigger for a day, I could live my life the free and easy way, I'd take from Uncle Sam and let the white man pay, If I could be a nigger for a day, Now when I'd sit down in that office, the office of welfare, I'd get food stamps, a medical card, and free child care, For all the illegitimate kids that I've got scattered everywhere, If I could be a nigger for a day, Now I'd have plenty of time, so I'd hang out with a mob, And I'd consume a little dope, or find a good place to rob, Now that would make me self-employed and I wouldn't even need a job, If I could be a nigger for a day, Oh if I could be a nigger for a day, I could live my life the free and easy way, I'd take from Uncle Sam and let the white man pay, If I could be a nigger for a day, And when I'd need somethin' I'd steal it so I wouldn't have to buy it, And if the cops would apprehend me you know that I'd deny it, And I could call Jesse or Al, they'd come and start a riot, If I could be a nigger for a day, But I can't be a nigger, and I don't really have to be, 'Cause coon, let me tell ya, it's plain and simple to see, That if I was you for a day then I'd be taking from me, So I don't wanna be a nigger for a day, I don't wanna be a nigger for a day, I don't wanna live the free and easy way, I'll struggle long, and struggle hard, but that's okay, 'Cause I'll never be a nigger for a day, No, I'll never be a nigger for a day

Artist: Johnny Rebel Title: In Coontown

If you smell somethin' funny when you walk down the street, You're in Coontown, You look and see garbage all over the street, You're in Coontown, Up and down the street there ain't nothin' but trash, Nigger girls tryin' to get a nigger boy's cash, Then you even see a spook with a big moustache, In Coontown, On the corner there's a nigger with a drink in his hand, That's Coontown, Tryin' to bum a nickel from whoever he can, In Coontown, And don't be suprised, you can make a bet, If you go back tomorrow he'll be there yet, He's tryin' to get drunk, and drunk he's gonna get, In Coontown, Niggers never bother 'bout goin' to work, In Coontown, They seem to think that work is for jerks, Outta Coontown, He don't do nothin' but sleep and doze, He don't wake until his eyes are tired of bein' closed, It's half a day's work for him to scratch his toes, In Coontown, It amazes me to see the way they live, In Coontown, They do all the takin' while we have to give, To Coontown, The white man worries the nigger don't care, 'Cause at the end of the month his check'll be there, Every nigger earns his livin' off the old welfare, In Coontown, Every nigger earns his livin' off the old welfare, In Coontown,

Artist: Johnny Rebel Title: It's The Attitude, Stupid

It ain't the big lips, It ain't the nose, It ain't your kinky hair, Or your clothes, It ain't your dreadlocks hangin', Or the way that you walk, It ain't the smell, It ain't the black, White people might probably, Learn a little bit better, But if you wanna know nigger, I'll tell ya what pisses us off, It's the attitude stupid, It's what's inside your brain, It's the attitude stupid, Ain't you ever gonna change, You keep thinkin' everything, Is black and white, Don't you know the difference, 'Tween wrong and right, It's the attitude stupid, We don't owe you a thing, It ain't your looks, And that's a fact, It ain't your ass, Ridin' up on your back, It ain't the way you say "argh-a", When you spell out a word, It's the things you say, And you do, Thinkin' white people, Still owe somethin' to you, Well listen to me nigger, This is somethin' you've never heard, It's the attitude stupid, It's what's inside your brain, It's the attitude stupid, Ain't you ever gonna change, You keep thinkin' everything, Is black and white, Don't you know the difference, 'Tween wrong and right, It's the attitude stupid, We don't owe you a thing, It's the attitude stupid, We don't owe you a thing

Artist: Johnny Rebel Title: Jesse Showed Up

Grocery store, Three niggers inside, The store ain't open, It's the middle of the night, Alarm goes off, The cops show up, They caught 'em red-handed, Put 'em in handcuffs, And then..., And then..., And then..., And then..., Jesse showed up, Jesse showed up, Wouldn't you know it, Jesse Jackson showed up, He had a bunch of porch monkeys, Praisin' his name, While he preached and he hollered, And he passed the blame, And said:, "Them niggers wasn't stealin' when they got caught. They was only doin' some shoppin' just like I thought. White man should never store there it's all his fault.", And they all got excited, When Jesse showed up, Election time, A new president, Al Gore never wins, So the niggers all went, The checks were counted, And counted again, They counted three times, But they still didn't win, And then..., And then..., And then..., And then..., Jesse showed up, Jesse showed up, Wouldn't you know it, Jesse Jackson showed up, He had a bunch of porch monkeys, Praisin' his name, While he preached and he hollered, And he passed the blame, And said:, "Listen you niggers I think we've been had. If we lose this election it's gonna be bad. And it's the white man's fault 'cause he stole all the checks.", And they all got excited, When Jesse showed up, Something's gonna happen, One of these days, If Jesse Jackson don't start, Mendin' his ways, He's gonna keep stirrin', The niggers up, 'Til the white man says, Enough is enough, And then..., And then..., And then..., And then..., The Klan'll show up, The Klan'll show up, All dressed in white, They're gonna show up, He's gonna be sorry, For struttin' his stuff, Hell's gonna break loose, When the Klan shows up, And they'll say:, "Jackson, what do you mean causin' all this trouble? It's up yours nigger, we gonna pop your bubble. We gonna break it off in ya, and stick it in double.", So just watch yourself Jesse, When this Klan shows up, You'd better watch yourself Jesse, When the Klan shows up,

Artist: Johnny Rebel Title: Kajun Ku Klux Klan

You niggers listen now, I'm gonna tell you how, To keep from getting torchered, When the Klan is on the prowl, Stay at home at night, And lock your doors up tight, Don't go outside or else you'll find, Those crosses-a-burnin' bright, Now I know you won't believe me, So I'm gonna tell you why, The Kajun Ku Klux Klan, Is gonna get you by and by, I'm warnin' you that when I'm through, You're gonna change your tune, This story's 'bout a nigger, His name was Levi Coon, He walked into a cafe, He thought he'd get a bite, He thought that they would serve him, Since they passed the civil rights, The waitress told him no, And that he'd better go, He said, "No ma'am, my Uncle Sam say, I don't have to go.", So he sat there in that cafe, Bein' stubborn as a mule, No matter what she said, He wouldn't get up off that stool, He sat there like a jackass, Said, "I'm gonna demonstarate., I came in here to eat, and, I ain't leavin' 'til I've ate.", The waitess had enough, She said, "I'll call your bluff.", She said, "If we can't treat you right, We'll have to treat you rough.", The phone was in her hands, She gave him one more chance, He wouldn't go, and so she called, The Kajun Ku Klux Klan, When he saw them cajuns comin', Levi knew it was too late, His eyes popped out his head, And his kinky hair got straight, He said, "Oh lousy white folks, I didn't mean a thing., Why did I have to listen, To that demonstrator King?", Now niggers understand, They tied up both his hands, He was at the mercy of, The Kajun Ku Klux Klan, I knew just what they'd do, Levi knew it too, I knew what kind of torture, They would put that nigger through, Now the moral of this story, As plain as it can be, Niggers mind your business, And let us white folks be, You'd better heed my warnin', And try to understand, Don't you demonstrate, Around the Kajun Ku Klux Klan

Artist: Johnny Rebel Title: Keep Workin' Big Jim

Keep a-workin' Big Jim, You'll prove it by and by, Keep a-workin' Big Jim, Find out the reasons why, A few years ago,in the year of '63, A President was shot-he died, And the man accused of killing him was shot to death, Before he was even tried, Then the Warren Commission,made up of what should be, The greatest lawmen of our time, Wrapped up the case,and said the assassination, Was the work of one warped mind, Keep a-workin' Big Jim, We hope you prove they're wrong, Keep a-workin' Big Jim, We're with you all day long, In a shorter time than it takes to solve a simple theft case, They said they solved the crime of our time, Oswald was the man,they said he worked it all alone, No one conspired with him to plan the crime, Big Jim Garrison,a lawyer from New Orleans, Didn't think the case was really solved, In his investigation,he's come up with a lot, He's gonna prove somebody else was involved, Keep a-workin' Big Jim, We wanna know the truth, Keep a-workin' Big Jim, The nation's watching you, Now wouldn't it be something if the Warren Report, Turned out to be just a lie, And one big man who was working all alone, Found the answers and the reasons why, And the so-called leaders of the government, Who won't try to help him win the fight, It seems they're more afraid that Jim will prove them wrong, Instead of hoping Big Jim's right,
Johnny Rebel - Lookin' For A Handout

Have you ever been just drivin' around, and ended up in the colored part of town? And you see an old-time wanderoo Jack with a great big T.V. antenna. Then you look out in the back, you can always see a Cadillac. And inside there's about fifteen niggers eatin' one can of beans for dinner. Now ain't that just like a nigger, so the story goes. They just like to live that-a-way, you know? Why, they haven't got one spark of ambition in their minds. They're hard-headed as a dad-blamed mule, and the only reason they go to school is so they can learn to sign their names when they become members of the welfare line., They're lookin' for a handout, To get somethin' free, Lookin' for a handout, From you and me, And with the consent, Of the president, They're gonna get their way, They're gonna get their way, Now I ain't aimin' to run anybody down, but I know how they operate down in Coontown. Why, they wouldn't hit a lick at a snake if it was curly enough to strike. But when their leader says, "Hey nigger, demonstrate", why, them jigaboos don't even hesitate. 'Cause as a nigger says, "Uhh, hmm, uhh...them's the kind of happenin' we likes.", They're lookin' for a handout, To get somethin' free, Lookin' for a handout, From you and me, And with the consent, Of the president, They're gonna get their way, They're gonna get their way, But one day there's gonna be a stop to all this givin', and darkies you gonna have to account for your livin'. You won't be able to hold your black hand out and wait for somebody to give you your daily bread. 'Cause the master said you'll have to earn your salvation, so you'd better start lookin' over the situation, and stop causin' all this trouble, and be a good 'ol nigger instead., And quit lookin' for a handout, To get somethin' fee, Quit lookin' for a handout, From Uncle Sam and me, Don't try to integrate, Be glad to segregate, It's better that way, Much better that way, It's better that way-ay-ay-ay-a-a-ay-a-a-ay-ay
Johnny Rebel - Move Them Niggers North

Move them niggers north, Move them niggers north, If they don't like our southern ways then, Move them niggers north, Our South has been invaded by, Trashy-lookin' crew, They'll change our ways and take our schools, Away from me and you, It's time for us to make a stand, To keep our southern ways, We've got to give a helping hand, It's unity that pays, Move them niggers north, Move them niggers north, If they don't like our southern ways then, Move them niggers north, They're trying to start trouble, By mixing up the races, They feel a whole lot better off, By staying in their places, I like our South, man, the way it is, I'm sure that you do too, Oh, Martin Luther thinks it's his, I know he's wrong, don't you?, Move them niggers north, Move them niggers north, If they don't like our southern ways then, Move them niggers north, It's time for us to make a stand, To keep our southern ways, We've got to give a helping hand, It's unity that pays, Move them niggers north, Move them niggers north, If they don't like our southern ways then, Move them niggers north, (Move them niggers north), (Move them niggers north), (Move them niggers north)
Johnny Rebel - Nigger, Nigger

Nigger, nigger, Tellin' lies, Black face and bloodshot eyes, Crooked toes and crooked nose, That's the way a nigger goes, (That's how he goes), They're marching for equality, They'll never be as good as me, We won't let them integrate, We must only segragate, (Keep 'em in their places), Nigger, nigger, Tellin' lies, Black face and bloodshot eyes, Crooked toes and crooked nose, That's the way a nigger goes, Oh, Martin Luther's got to go, That's one thing that we all know, We'll take him ridin' on a rail, And lock him in the county jail, Niggers want to change our ways, But taxes they won't ever pay, Monkey lips and kinky hair, Living off that old welfare, (Got their handout), They might as well give up the fight, No federal judge can make them white, The job is up to you and me, Let's beat the NAACP, (Move 'em north), Nigger, nigger, Tellin' lies, Black face and bloodshot eyes, Crooked toes and crooked nose, That's the way a nigger goes, That's the way a nigger goes, That's the way a nigger goes, That's the way a nigger goes,
Johnny Rebel - Nigger-In-Law

The other day I ran into an old friend, Joe was his name, So I said, "Joe, how ya been?", He said, "JR, you won't believe this, but things ain't worth a damn.", And I said, "Joe, what's the problem?', He said "JR, you wanna know my problem? Well, I'll tell ya my problem.", And he began his story, something like this:, All my life I've been single, I didn't wanna be tied down, But I finally did it, I finally got married, And the chants started goin' around, She was divorced and had three kids, They all had fair skin and blonde hair, But I didn't know their daddy was a nigger, And daddy just had to be there, Awwwww..., What do you do when, Everything's messed up, Stickin' down in your crawl, Other men lucky, All they have to aggitate 'em, Is a dog-gone, Mother-in-law, But this black hairy dude, Livin' down at my house, Beats all you ever saw, I'm the sole-bred winner, Of a wife and three, Bakin' ninnies, And a nigger-in-law, And he kept on-a-talkin', And I just kept on listenin', And he went on, something like this:, It all started last friday evenin', I got home from work, there he sat, Sittin' there loafin', restin' and-a-smokin', Man, he was ace of spades black, I didn't know just who he was then, But it wasn't too long 'til I did, He said, "Don't get uptight, I have visitin' rights., I came to see your wife and my kids.", Awwwww..., What do you do when, Everything's messed up, Stickin' down in your crawl, Other men lucky, All they have to aggitate 'em, Is a dog-gone, Mother-in-law, But this black hairy dude, Livin' down at my house, Beats all you ever saw, I'm the sole-bred winner, Of a wife and three, Bakin' ninnies, And a nigger-in-law, But he talked on, and I began to figure out, That Joe had found a solution, He said:, He was still there saturday evenin', Just-a-watchin' me mow the lawn, He watched the game on sunday and the soaps on monday, It's tuesday and he still wasn't gone, Suddenly I got me an idea, And I came up with a plan, I turned my nigger-loving wife and her nigger ex-husband, Over to the Ku Klux Klan, Hehe..., That's what you do, When everything's messed up, Stickin' down in your crawl, Never again will I, Ever say a word, About anybody's, Mother-in-law, That nigger ho'ed up, When the Klan showed up, It's the last thing he ever saw, Now I'm the ex-husband, Of a wife with three, Bakin' ninnies, And a nigger-in-law, I'm the proud ex-husband, Of a wife with three, Bakin' ninnies, And a nigger-in-law
Johnny Rebel - Niggers Suck!

Well I don't know why the sky is blue, And why the gums on a nigger well they're blue too, I don't pay attention to all that stuff, But I do know niggers suck, And I don't know why the world ain't flat, And why the nose on a nigger is flat like that, I don't pay attention to all that stuff, But I do know niggers suck, I don't know, I don't wanna know, Why a jigaboo's lips are thick, But I sure know that, A nigger ain't worth a lick, And I don't know, I don't wanna know, Why a nigger ain't got no pride, But I know them coons are never, No, they're never satisfied, Well I don't know why the rain comes down, I don't know why a nigger is black or brown, I don't pay attention to all that stuff, I do know niggers suck, Well I don't know why nigger stinks, I don't know why jigaboo's hair has kinks, I don't pay attention to all that stuff, I do know niggers suck, I don't know why night turns to day, And why a nigger won't work to earn his way, I don't pay attention to all that stuff, But I do know niggers suck, I don't know, I don't wanna know, Why a jigaboo's lips are thick, But I sure know that, A nigger ain't worth a lick, And I don't know, I don't wanna know, Why a nigger ain't got no pride, But I know them coons are never, No, they're never satisfied, I don't know why a nigger is kin to an ape, I don't know why spooks wanna integrate, I don't pay attention to all that stuff, But I do know niggers suck, I do know niggers suck, Hey, I do know niggers suck
Johnny Rebel - No Niggers In Our Schools
No we don't want niggers in our schools, We're not for immigration, Keep those niggers in their place, We'll have a better nation, Our southland got along just fine, Until those immigrators, Came down here sturring up a mess, With outside aggitators, They'll march, sit in and demonstrate, And try to take our schools, They want to change our southern way, With a brand new set of rules, No we don't want niggers in our schools, We're not for immigration, Keep those niggers in their place, We'll have a better nation, We must prove to martin luther, We stand for what is right, No court, or left-wing liberals, Can ever make him white, Form a solid line of white men, Conservatives we'll be, They'll never ever overcome, Our schools will still be free, No we don't want niggers in our schools, We're not for immigration, Keep those niggers in their place, We'll have a better nation, We must prove to martin luther, We stand for what is right, No court, or left-wing liberals, Can ever make him white, Form a solid line of white men, Conservatives we'll be, They'll never ever overcome, Our schools will still be free, No we don't want niggers in our schools, We're not for immigration, Keep those niggers in their place, We'll have a better nation
Johnny Rebel - Quit Your Bitchin' Nigger!

Quit your bitchin' nigger and just let things be, You're messin' up big time take it from me, Quit your bitchin' nigger or you'll get your due, 'Cause the Ku Klux Klan will come-a-callin' on you, For forty-somethin' years you've been raisin' all hell, And niggers that ain't enough, We're all gettin' mighty fed up with you, And all of your civil rights stuff, Don't you love this country, either you do or you don't, If you ain't happy, then what the hell do you want, Hey quit your bitchin' niggers and just let things be, You're messin' up big time take it from me, Quit your bitchin' nigger or you'll get your due, 'Cause the Ku Klux Klan will come-a-callin' on you, You got money and jobs and your equal rights, Given by the government, You got welfare, food stamps, a medical card, And sometimes a little free rent, You just keep begging, takin' everything we've got, Well damn you nigger, don't you think it's time to stop, So quit your bitchin' niggers and just let things be, You're messin' up big time take it from me, Quit your bitchin' nigger or you'll get your due, 'Cause the Ku Klux Klan will come-a-callin' on you, Lately you're yelling 'bout our rebel flag, Wantin' us to take it down, It represents our history and southern pride, And rebel blood on the grass, So go to hell nigger, I'm tellin' ya loud and clear, It ain't comin' down, the rebel flag is stayin' right here, Hey quit your bitchin' niggers and just let things be, You're messin' up big time take it from me, Quit your bitchin' nigger or you'll get your due, 'Cause the Ku Klux Klan will come-a-callin' on you, 'Cause the Ku Klux Klan will come-a-callin' on you
Johnny Rebel - Reparations

There you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, There you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me,, You say all your ancestors were slaves, And that's the reason that you ought to get paid, You want something for nothing, you monkeys are all the same, You're putting all of the blame on the whites, We violated your civil rights, But your civil rights proven is nothing but a shakedown game.,, So there you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, There you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me,, There ain't a slave still living today, So tell me why do you think we should pay?, For what we didn't do, and what didn't happen to you, You can always go back home, Where the monkeys and the baboons roam, And if you're ain't satisfied that's exactly what you ought to do.,, Hey there you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, There you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me,, We don't owe you a damn thing, Man, you gotta be out of your mind, So take your reparations, And stick them where the sun don't shine,, Hey there you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, And there you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me,, We don't owe you a damn thing, Hey, you gotta be out of your mind, So take your reparations, And stick them where the sun don't shine,, Hey there you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, There you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me, I said listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me
Johnny Rebel - Send 'Em All Back To Africa

We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, Where they belong, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, They oughta get the hell out of America, And leave the white man alone, They don't like this, they don't like that, They're never satisfied and that's a fact, They more we give, the more they take, The more we fix, the more they break, The country's in an awful mess, With a whole lotta civil unrest, I got one thing to suggest, They outta leave, and get gone, Gather up all the niggers, And go back home, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, Where they belong, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, They oughta get the hell out of America, And leave the white man alone, They want their way, it ain't no doubt, They just keep pushin', they never stop, They don't like the way things are done, They outta go back to where they come from, So white people I'm askin' you, Let's buy us a boat or two, And here's what we need to do, Help 'em pack, and be kind, Make sure we don't leave, One nigger behind, And send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, Where they belong, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, They oughta get the hell out of America, And leave the white man alone, Life in America would be so great, Without niggers here to demonstrate, 'Bout this, and that, and that, and this, And you, and me, and gettin' things free, Won't you listen to me?, Let's send 'em all back to Africa, Send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, Where they belong, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, They oughta get the hell out of America, And leave the white man alone, They oughta get the hell out of America, And leave the white man alone
Johnny Rebel - Ship Those Niggers Back

Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, Gather all those equals up and herd them on the pier, America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, Twenty million ugly coons are ready on the pier, "Hey there man, I ain't gettin' in that boat, looks like that boat's leakin' to me, man," (whack!) "Ooooh yes, White Man, here I come!", America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, Boats are ready for the trip, we won't shed a tear, "You actin' like you don't love us nice colored folks any more," (whack!) "Ahhh! Ahhh, White Man brought us from Africa, your fault!", America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, Hand that chimp his ugly stick, hand that buck his spear, "Hold on there man, I've left my bottle of wine back there on the dock," (whack!) "Ahhh! Oww, man!", America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, Twenty million jigaboos, to Africa we'll steer, "How we gonna find Africa man, we ain't got no compass, how we gonna find that island, man," (whack!) "Ahhhh! Ahhhhhhhhh!", America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, There they go far out to sea, see them disappear, "Hello, hello back there on the dock, I believe this boat is leakin' man.", America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, Boats are leaking badly now, they sink, we've settled here, "Help! Help, we're sinking! Gggglllluggggg...", America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, No more nigger civil rights led by nigger queers, America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, Our homes, our schools, our city streets of niggers will be clear, America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, America will be all white, the land we love so dear, America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ship those niggers back, Ship those niggers back

Johnny Rebel - Some Niggers Never Die (They Just Smell That Way)

The other day I took a fishin' trip, Just me and my boat, and no Banjo lip, Banjo was my guide, an old colored feller, He wasn't very dark, he was a high-steppin' yeller, So we launched my boat, and I cranked my motor, And up to my nose came a terrible odor, I looked around, tryin' to find somethin' dead, But it was Banjo with his arm up, scratchin' his head, Some niggers never die, They just smell that way, Now the more he'd scratch, the more he'd sweat, And I'm here to say he was-a-chokin' me to death, So we loaded up, I just couldn't go on, And I coughed and I gagged, all the way home, When I dropped him off, I was next to dine, My nose was-a-runnin, and my eyes were-a-cryin', The smell scorched the hair right out of my nose, When I got home I had to burn all my clothes, Some niggers never die, They just smell that way, I recooperated quick, I was thankful for that, I was only in bed for a week and a half, The very first day I was up on my feet, I went to the supermarket, down the street, I shopped all around, and I filled out my order, My groceries were bagged by a fat nigger porter, The air conditioner was broke and I was ferocious, 'Cause it was hot and that nigger was-a-sweatin' on my groceries, Some niggers never die, They just smell that way, The vegetables and greens I bought started wilting, My blood pressure rose, and that could've killed me, I was gonna smash him all over that place, But he raised up his arm, and I fell on my face, Now I'm here in the hospital and at the ceiling I stare, I coulda whipped that nigger, 'cept he used germ warfare, So from now on I'll carry a long, long stick, 'Cause if I can keep from the smell, then I'll have 'em licked, Some niggers never die, They just smell that way

Johnny Rebel - Stay Away From Dixie

Well lately niggers are runnin' their mouths, Sayin' they're gonna take over the South, Jigaboo-here's to you, If you can, try it man, 'Cause Dixieland will never be free, To a nigger and the NAACP, Stay away, stay away, Stay away, from Dixieland, 'Cause we're proud of our Dixie, Hooray, hooray, We'll fight again this time we'll win, We've lived, we'll die in Dixie, Stay away, stay away, You don't belong in Dixie, Stay away, stay away, You don't belong in Dixie, In the Civil War a lot of men died, That's not enough, they ain't satisfied, They integrate, demonstarate, Shout and sing, for Mr. King, 'Cause Mr. King is-a-gonna lose out, When the northern states unite with the South, Watch the fun, when it's done, 'Cause they'll run, from Dixieland, 'Cause we're proud of our Dixie, Hooray, hooray, We'll fight again this time we'll win, We've lived, we'll die in Dixie, Stay away, stay away, You don't belong in Dixie, Stay away, stay away, You don't belong in Dixie, They've yelled "black power" in Alabama, Even demonstratin' in Louisiana, What a shame, they're to blame, 'Cause they came, to Dixieland, Up in the North big trouble they've brewed, In Chicago town and Cicero too, Let's unite, Yankeeland, Come on fight, with Dixieland, 'Cause we're proud of our Dixie, Hooray, hooray, We'll fight again this time we'll win, We've lived, we'll die in Dixie, Stay away, stay away, You don't belong in Dixie, Stay away, stay away, You don't belong in Dixie

Johnny Rebel - Still Lookin' For A Handout

Not so long ago I wrote a little song and much to my suprise before very long, Lookin' For A Handout was sittin' on top of the segregation hit parade. So the nigger population keeps gettin' bigger and since I got my first break by singin' about niggers, I'll just sing two or three more verses and see if I can double up on the friends I've made. Now we've all heard of the NAACP. They say they're gonna make all them niggers free. What they mean is they're lookin' for someone to earn it, bring it in their house, put it on the table, and feed 'em. 'Cause their idea of freedom ain't bein' free. It seems they're more interested in gettin' it free. And me and my family and every other white man and his family could go for that kind of freedom., Still lookin' for a handout, Things are still the same, Still lookin' for a handout, Not a thing has changed, While they're on welfare, They haven't got a care, 'Cause they like it that way, They like it that way, My mother used to say, "Son, a livin' comes hard, and you ain't gonna make it by sittin' in the yard. You just can't sit around like a nigger, you had to get up off and hustled yourself a job." And after all these years I find this true, and I sit and wonder like most white men do. Who in the world is feedin' them jungle bunnies while they're demonstratin', causin' riots, and formin' mobs?, Still lookin' for a handout, Things are still the same, Still lookin' for a handout, Not a thing has changed, While they're on welfare, They haven't got a care, They like it that way, They like it that way, Now my suggestion to their problem of bein' free is goin' back to Africa and be cannibals like they used to be. And they can spend the rest of their lives eatin' each other, throwin' coconuts, and swingin' from a tree. Or they can stay here and be our friends, and still be free like they've always been. And start earnin' their own way of life, and stop dependin' on you and me, Still lookin' for a handout, Things are still the same, Still lookin' for a handout, They outta be ashamed, But like I said before, They keep-a-wantin' more, They like it that way, They like it that way, They like it that way-ay-ay-ay-a-a-ay-a-a-ay-ay

Johnny Rebel - Who Likes A Nigger

L.B.J. was a-flyin' one morn', Over south Louisiana...feeling forlorn, When he looks down below, and what does he see?, Two cajuns pullin' a nigger on ski's!, So he lands, and says, "Thanks for helping your black brother!", And them two cajuns just looked at each other, And said, "He might be smart, but I'll tell you something...", "He don't know a thing about alligator huntin'!", O-wop-bop-bam-bam, Who likes a nigger?, o-wop-bop-bam-bam (CHORUS), Who likes a nigger?, o-wop-bop-bam-bam, Who likes a nigger?, And the hatin', everybody, is a-gettin' much bigger, Rich man travelin' down thru the South, Stopped in Mississippi to get a tooth pulled out, When he paid the doctor the charges due, He said "My nigger chauffer's got a bad tooth, too", "Well, I'll pull it...", said the doc, "but you'd better not holler!, Cause I'll have to charge you $200.00, Cause here in Mississippi he can't open his mouth, We'll have to go thru his bottom, to get the thing out!", Chorus, There ain't much difference 'tween a nigger and a donkey, 'Bout as much between an ape and a monkey, Ones a little bigger, but you gotta agree, There's not very much more that you can see., But a mule earns his livin' by the sweat of his neck, While a nigger sits down and draws a gov't check, The nigger should be smarter, as a general rule, But in a spelling contest, I'd pick the mule!

Re:Afro-Leninst Obama Bankrupting the USA Tsarkon (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295993)

This is actually chocked full or informative links and information. Interesting.

Meanwhile, thw wii remain's in the lead (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295755)

of system's severely lacking in content.

Re:Meanwhile, thw wii remain's in the lead (4, Funny)

Feminist-Mom (816033) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296115)

Maybe, but I can use my playstation to keep my coffee warm.

I don't quite see what this is about (0, Flamebait)

Kokuyo (549451) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295757)

After years of streamlined production and cheapened components while the sophistication has steadily risen, people still wonder about fundamental design issues?

Of course an XBox 360 is less stable than, say, a SNES. Of course a 1960 Chevy truck was more sturdy than a 2009 model. It's in the nature of things to become more fragile the more versatile they get.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (4, Insightful)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295781)

Of course a 1960 Chevy truck was more sturdy than a 2009 model. It's in the nature of things to become more fragile the more versatile they get.

Of the two, I'd say the 1960 one was the more versatile. It's less likely to break if you do weird stuff with it, while doing the same basic job as the 2009 model.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (2, Funny)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296369)

"Versatile" stopped meaning "an array of useful features" a long time ago. As long as you can sync your car to your bluetooth phone (firmware upgrades anyone?), have it tell you the quickest route to the nearest gyro stand, and pet your hand and tell you "everything's ok" when your favorite idol-wannabe gets booted, it's "versatile"

Thank you, marketroids.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (1)

digitalchinky (650880) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296391)

Less likely to break in the sense of being 'sturdy' also means you are more likely to die in an accident. So, would you prefer your el-cheapo modern X-Box to shatter harmlessly on impact with your significant other in the heat of game battle anger, or remain in one piece?

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (5, Funny)

DirtyUncleRon69 (1492865) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296427)

shatter harmlessly on impact with your significant other in the heat of game battle anger, or remain in one piece?

Depends if the bitch is screen-peeking or not

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (0, Offtopic)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296587)

Also the abilities the truck were designed for are becoming reduced. the towing capacity of the 1984 chevy pickup are greater than the 2009 chevy pickup truck. GM realized that most trucks never do anything but get driven like a car so they cut costs in building them that almost nobody would notice.

Honestly, all corporations are making crap products, this really should not surprise anyone.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (5, Insightful)

Ptolomeu (1029812) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295857)

If that was true than the same would be happening to the PS3 and Wii. But these haven't caused not even a third of the problems the XBox had. It was just poor design, Microsoft knew about it but launched it anyway so it would be the first in its generation. There was a thread here in Slashdot about this.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (4, Insightful)

/ASCII (86998) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295905)

My guess would be that it's mostly caused by Microsofts relative hardware inexperience. Sony and Nintendo have spent decades building consoles and similar home electronics, but Microsofts prior hardware experience consists of building a bunch of mice and keyboards and using common off the shelf components to build a small computer that they called the X-box, and sold as a console. They grossly underestimated the difficulty and cost of building cutting edge, high quality hardware from scratch, and they keep paying the price for it.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (2, Informative)

rumith (983060) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295997)

Microsofts prior hardware experience consists of building a bunch of mice and keyboards

Not really. To the best of my knowledge, all Microsoft keyboards are essentially rebranded products of Philips and Razer.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (5, Informative)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296071)

Not really. They have their own H/W design department. They do not manufacture themselves - that's fact. But they design themselves.

Another fact: keyboard/mice/etc H/W design team has ZILCH/ZERO/NADA in common with Xbox* design team. They belong to different business units.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (1)

rumith (983060) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296381)

I stand corrected.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296085)

The original XBox is nearly indestructable and I say this as an XBox owner. Shame it lacked good games (JRPGs), though.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (1)

Megane (129182) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296177)

...except that at least one of the (three?) models of DVD drive they used is total crap. The main value in a used XBox is whether its DVD drive works or not. And their DVD reader design is such that it is not possible to read a genuine XBox disc without a genuine XBox DVD drive. (or installing the official firmware on one of a very few compatible consumer models of drive that haven't been manufactured in years, but they used that funny plug so such a hacked drive will only work on a PC)

Out of the three units I have, the two I got used have one bad and one partially good DVD drive. The only good DVD drive is from the XBox that my brother's then-wife's kids tried to take apart, and ruined the mainboard. I took that in trade for giving them a new one for xmas back in the day. (I was PS2/GC back then.)

Of course the best thing about the original XBox is how they not only completely failed to secure the system (more loopholes than were actually used to crack the system), but actually included holes for a pin header with all but one of the required signals for a mod chip. I'm glad I bought two chips back in the day. Now I can rip discs on my one good drive, then use the crappy FTP server to copy the game to the other one.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (4, Interesting)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296161)

My guess would be that it's mostly caused by Microsofts relative hardware inexperience.

Demonstrably false. Microsoft have a quality console under their belts. Despite it's ponderous bulk, the original Xbox was a reliable console. I've rarely heard of system failures or disc scratches, and the device stands up well to custom modding. In addition to this, it was the first mainstream console to have hard drive and an ethernet link. And that was all from a company which, to my knowledge, had never produced a single hardware product.

Now that same company comes out and produces the 360 with its notoriously high failure rate. And it's wasn't down to the complexity of the design. The red ring of death was due to parts and material failures. Scratched discs were again down to a substandard component. Now we have a loose video chip problem.

This is NOT down to design. These issues are trivial to fix if only Microsoft was willing to pay the money. The fact is, they're not. These errors all exist because Microsoft is cutting costs across the board on 360 manufacturing. For every error that is found, you can be sure that three more lurk beneath the surface as a result of substandard parts, components and assembly line procedures.

The reason is clear. Despite their deep pockets, Microsoft are not willing to make the kind of losses everyone assumes they can make with the 360. But they still want a lower price point. It's not just manufacturing. Look at Live. Microsoft are the only game service provider in the world who are charging people to play titles online. When everyone else; Nintendo, Sony and Valve, make playing online completely free, the Live gold membership fee required to play every single Xbox 360 title online stands out like a sore thumb. It's particularly egregious standing next to Microsoft's own Games for Windows: Live, which is also free.

Bad hardware and unnecessary online fees. Why would a company in Microsoft's position continue to hinder itself in these ways? The answer is that they want the 360 to succeed, but are not willing to shell out funds indefinitely to achieve this. The console needs to sell massively, but they are not willing to charge people for this, so production costs are cut instead. The console needs to make money off people during its lifetime, but they are not willing to do this through selling games, so they charge for services that should be free.

Everyone has assumed that Microsoft's funds are essentially unlimited when it comes to their goal of getting a Microsoft console into the living room. I don't think this is true anymore. Over time, it has become clear that a console in the living room is not going to serve as the hub of a digital household. I think Microsoft has realized this and is now simply treating the Xbox as another part of its home computer strategy, but not as an essentially one that must be maintained at any cost.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (1, Informative)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296301)

Re:Microsoft have a quality console under their belts.

Watch the vid of the real men and woman who took the original xbox apart.
Its was junk from day one with MS pulling 3rd rate team members from other projects and trying to get it working on time.
Nothing will ever change with MS.
The Google Tech Talks December 1, 2006 "Deconstructing The Xbox Security System" should be fun
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4356347903120410001&ei=z3THSeHCOpHMwgOYxfCYDw [google.com]

Xbox Is Being Slowly Let To Die Off (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296463)

"I think Microsoft has realized this and is now simply treating the Xbox as another part of its home computer strategy,"

The Xbox hardware has as much of a future at Microsoft as the Zune hardware does.

Zero.

Microsoft has been consistently shutting down the lifeblood of a viable console, first party development studios over the past two years. They are down to only three now. And it sounds like Rare is up next.

The absolutely barren 2009 and 2010 360 exclusive game releases makes it clear that the days of wasting money on the Xbox fiasco are over at Microsoft and they are milking the current installed base for as much money from the 50 dollar a year online charges as they can before killing the 8 year long disaster once and for all.

 

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (4, Insightful)

Crazy Man on Fire (153457) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296639)

Now that same company comes out and produces the 360 with its notoriously high failure rate. And it's wasn't down to the complexity of the design. The red ring of death was due to parts and material failures. Scratched discs were again down to a substandard component. Now we have a loose video chip problem.

This is NOT down to design. These issues are trivial to fix if only Microsoft was willing to pay the money. The fact is, they're not. These errors all exist because Microsoft is cutting costs across the board on 360 manufacturing. For every error that is found, you can be sure that three more lurk beneath the surface as a result of substandard parts, components and assembly line procedures.

So, you're saying it didn't fail because of poor design but because they designed it to be inexpensive to manufacture? That sounds to me like bad design. They didn't design it to stand up to normal use and instead designed it to save a few pennies here and there during the manufacturing and assembly process. Sounds like a classic example of a poorly chosen design trade-off where quality is sacrificed to save costs. Now it is coming back to bite them.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (1)

mrops (927562) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296273)

Chee. if they were inexperianced about hardware, what do u have to sway for thier software, what excuse do they have their.

Further, IMO, they would do it all over again considering the success of xbox 360.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (1)

portalcake625 (1488239) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296503)

Windows is actually very stable, the only thing that crashes it are the Nvidia Alpha drivers (duh!). Windows just is not secure. Period.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296049)

There was a thread here in Slashdot about this.

Oh. Then it must be true.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (1, Funny)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296203)

>>>Microsoft knew about it but launched it anyway so it would be the first in its generation. There was a thread here in Slashdot about this.

Therefore it *must* be true because slashdot never posts inaccurate or biased stories! /end sarcasm. At least Microsoft was willing to admit the problems and exchange or repair failing consoles. Microsoft was willing to lose money to keep people happy; that's better than what Toyota did when their 2004 truck engines started sludging oil & seizing-up (they blamed the customer). It's good to see a company stand behind their product for a change.

But I'm still concerned. As programmers learn the system and push the hardware to its limits, will we see even more overheating Xbox 360s? Probably.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (3, Informative)

Ptolomeu (1029812) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296583)

>>>Microsoft knew about it but launched it anyway so it would be the first in its generation. There was a thread here in Slashdot about this.

Therefore it *must* be true because slashdot never posts inaccurate or biased stories! /end sarcasm.

No, it's true because it linked to documents and internal sources proving this...

At least Microsoft was willing to admit the problems and exchange or repair failing consoles. Microsoft was willing to lose money to keep people happy; that's better than what Toyota did when their 2004 truck engines started sludging oil & seizing-up (they blamed the customer). It's good to see a company stand behind their product for a change.

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Hey fanboy, that's the least they could do after launching consoles they knew they were faulty! And you think they supported the product just because they were nice? Have you thought that it would be much worse for them if they didn't? There's no excuse to launch a product they knew it was going to give a lot of problems, when they could just have solved them by delaying the launch. Sure it was nice that they at least provided replacements, but it was just a compensation for a problem they shouldn't have caused.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (4, Insightful)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296631)

The problem is, they never have admitted it was a design flaw. Adding to the warranty for the RRoD doesn't amount to an admission, and to this day no one will say "yes, we screwed up the design". They'd probably face a class-action suit if they did, I suppose. They still refuse to admit any issues with disc scratching, though youtube's full of videos on what causes it. And this issue now appears after a hefty graphics update to the console (NXE), we're seeing yet again the rushed design decisions possibly come back to bite MS in the butt. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt, but since it's hitting the HDMI consoles pretty hard, I have to wonder...

While I agree it was nice of MS to add to the warranty for the RRoD, I don't have any faith they're standing behind their product. True, they didn't blame the user very loudly (though early on, they were blaming poor ventilation), but they never admitted there was/is a flaw. Now we've another flaw possibly in the making and MS is charactaristically silent. :) The 360 has shown me that MS can't make a console. So until they make a tank like the PS3, I'm skipping their next offering or two. Games or not, you can't play the games on dead hardware. After 3 Elites, I got a new Arcade system when it hit $200 (with the lighter PSU), and if my Elite dies again (it's showing the initial stages of it now), I'll just put my Arcade unit as the primary system and just throw in the towel.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (5, Insightful)

syousef (465911) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295897)

Of course an XBox 360 is less stable than, say, a SNES. Of course a 1960 Chevy truck was more sturdy than a 2009 model. It's in the nature of things to become more fragile the more versatile they get.

This is the attitude that's killing tech industries the world over.

There's a set of minimums to meet for a product to be fit for purpose. Okay you don't need the sturdy steel chassis of a 1960 Chevy truck to drive around town with occassional longer trips so as the technology has improved and parts could be made lighter and cheaper it made sense to do so. However if as a result the damn thing dies for no reason after a couple of months use, or touching it dents it, you bet people will be complaining.

So if someone's throwing around or stomping on their Xbox 360 and it dies, good and well, they're an idiot. If they're careful with it and it still lasts as long as a $2 item from the junk shop there's a problem.

Why is it in tech we have people rant on about how it's the way of progress and things moving forward that tech becomes useless fragile junk, or the software doesn't work on hardware specified on the box as being minimum, or loses people's data, then wonder why people think we're propeller heads?

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (4, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296279)

>>>Why is it in tech we have people rant on about how it's the way of progress and things moving forward, that tech becomes useless fragile junk, or the software doesn't work on hardware specified on the box as being minimum, or loses people's data, then wonder why people think we're propeller heads?
>>>

That's an *excellent* question. I popped-in a 5-year-old DVD-R that was *supposed* to be my friend's wedding video, but instead all I got was a bunch of pixelated garbage. Meanwhile my VHS tapes are nearing a quarter-century age, and they still playback just fine. Even the one tape that developed a wrinkle is still watchable and enjoyable. Meanwhile my wedding DVD-R is now a drink coaster. Sad.

I'm an engineer but I'm not like my colleagues. They embrace every new tech that comes along. I ask the question, "Is this new thing better than the old technology?" Sadly the answer is often 'no' which is why I still use pen-and-paper, not an electronic PADD/PDA, and also why I still use a VHS camcorder not one of those DVD-Rs that self-erases itself after five years. ("Obsolescence and stupidity wrapped in the same package. How efficient of you.") I tried to explain that to my brother: Don't buy Vista; buy an XP PC. "But Vista is the newest and bestest!" Now he's unhappy because his Vista machine refuses to play foxnews.com video, and it's pathetically slow, and he wishes he had listened to me.

Technology is only better if it *improves* on old technology, not simply because it's the newest thing.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296491)

Now he's unhappy because his Vista machine refuses to play foxnews.com video

Sounds like a nice feature to me. Where can I procure this Vista you speak of?

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (1)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296641)

My question, though, is where were all these complains when the PSX was the dominant system? After my 3rd PSX, I kindly resigned and quit playing PSX games until I finally got a PS2. I'm now on my 3rd PS2 and I've said the same thing. Unfortuantely PS3's aren't backwards compatible now, so I'm kinda stuck.

On the other hand (and I may be one of the lucky ones) I still have my launch 360. I'm a lighter gamer...I don't play FPS's for entire afternoon...which might explain why I don't have problems with my 360. But this surely doesn't explain the list of problems I've had with Sony.

Honestly, I agree that there's a major issue with Xbox hardware, but I think it's been blown up to this degree through MS hatred. From everything I can tell, the original PSX was more unstable than this thing ever thought about being.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (3, Interesting)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295901)

The issue is that an Xbox360 is less sturdy than anything else on the market right now. Compared to Wii and PS3 its a pile of manure disguised as a gaming console.

Its just shitty hardware Q&A from the same company that excels in bad quality software.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296125)

Its just shitty hardware Q&A from the same company that excels in bad quality software.

You are - as most people on /. - are totally wrong about it.

Quality is a metric. Product has to balance quality vs. features vs. price.

N.B. Network people I'm sure can already recognize the famous "fast, cheap, secure: pick any two" pattern.

M$ as business has to balance all the three to make the product not too expensive (== cut features and quality); stable enough (== fewer better tested featured) and feature-full.

While feature set and price often are predefined (e.g. in case of Xbox360) quality remains only metric business can use to regulate development/etc costs.

In the end: Yes, M$ has shitty hardware Q&A. But it's "as designed". Otherwise, Xbox360 might have cost only few chips less than PS3. It's cheaper (RRoD fiasco was really exceptional) to deal with quality issues later, than introducing delays into initial phases of development/promotion of new product.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (5, Insightful)

dhavleak (912889) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295937)

It's in the nature of things to become more fragile the more versatile they get.

Actually, it's in the nature of /. to consider a random poll on joystiq (which could easily be hijacked by say, ps3 fanboys or MS haters) and unverifiable data from google trends as irrefutable proof of increased E74 errors.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (5, Funny)

azior (1302509) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296065)

It's in the nature of things to become more fragile the more versatile they get.

Actually, it's in the nature of /. to consider a random poll on joystiq (which could easily be hijacked by say, ps3 fanboys or MS haters) and unverifiable data from google trends as irrefutable proof of increased E74 errors.

don't forget the ring of death and all those broken discs we made up... because microsoft always makes quality products!

LOL! What An Idiot! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296075)

The E74 problems have been a active source of discussion on both general and Xbox specific forums for a long time now. It is a problem that has hit many long time and well known Xbox 360 owners who have no reason to lie about the problem.

In other words, keep your mouth off about something you don't have a clue about.

People want this shit fixed. Dimwits like you sat around in forums two years ago spouting the same garbage about the RRoD fiasco and the problem dragged on and on and on because idiots like you constantly filling forums with the same stupid shit you just posted.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296003)

You should replace versatile with complex and electronics-ridden. I'm not a luddist, but does *everything* we create need a PCB to control it?

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296123)

I'm not a luddist, but does *everything* we create need a PCB to control it?

No. But games consoles do.

360 Design Faults Were Known By MS In 2005 (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296007)

Xbox 360 consoles were dying in store demo kiosks months before the console went on sale.

> Hardcore Xbox fans screamed it was incompetent store employees who didn't know how to hook up a console

Xbox 360 consoles were dying at game media offices months before the console went on sale.

> Hardcore Xbox fans screamed it was just pre-release hardware and the real consoles wouldn't have those problems

Xbox 360 consoles were dying when they went on sale to the general public

> Hardcore Xbox fans screamed that they were just the first batch and that once production got moving those 'kinks' would be worked out

Every new Xbox 360 model continued to have massive numbers of hardware failures

> Hardcore Xbox fans screamed the new models about to come out fix those problems

Microsoft knew about the problems before the console was released and they went right ahead and put the turd of console up for sale regardless. They knew they had a fundamentally botched hardware design and lied through their teeth about the defective hardware until they finally had to fork out 1.1 billion in repair bills.

There is ZERO incentive for Microsoft to ship working hardware. The niche Xbox fanbase of the console market has demonstrated that they are perfectly willing to buy 3,4,5 or more new consoles without hesitation. It has helped inflate the installed base for the 360 mostly in the US but done nothing in Japan and Europe where the number of fanatical Microsoft fans is tiny.

The problem for Microsoft is the sales numbers from major console game publishers is showing equal to or greater sales rates for multiplatform games on the PS3 even though the 360 supposedly having a huge installed base amount in the US.

Either:

1. PS3 owners are buying massively more multiplatform games relative to 360 owners

2. The number of duplicate 360 consoles owned in the US is gigantic

Xbox Sales Rate Same As 360 Sales Rate (1)

MediaStreams (1461187) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296107)

The obviously huge number of people who own duplicate 360 consoles puts an amazing perspective on the worldwide sales numbers for the first Xbox compared to the Xbox 360.

The Xbox was on the market from Nov 2001 until June 2005 when it went out of production. It sold about 25 million consoles worldwide. About 3.5 years.

The Xbox has been on the market from Nov 2005 until the present. Just over 3 years.

Even going with a modest estimate of the number of people who own multiple 360 consoles, the sales rate of the Xbox and Xbox 360 are almost identical. Even the relative sales rates from the three major regions are virtually identical to last gen. The 360 is pretty much dead in Japan just like the first Xbox. European sales are mostly from the UK just like the first Xbox. And bulk of 360 sales comes from the US just like the first Xbox.

Re:360 Design Faults Were Known By MS In 2005 (1)

Dr. Manhattan (29720) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296511)

PS3 owners are buying massively more multiplatform games relative to 360 owners

Actually, that's not a completely unreasonable prospect. There's been more exclusives for the 360 in the past couple of years. (No, I'm [slashdot.org] not [slashdot.org] an [slashdot.org] xbot [slashdot.org] , just being honest.) That being said, the 360's hardware issues seem likely to be the bigger contributor, at least IMHO. (Oh, and this year's looking pretty good for the PS3, game-wise. I'm pretty hopeful about inFamous [wikipedia.org] .)

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (5, Insightful)

ledow (319597) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296033)

It's a common fallacy that versatile means "more fragile", propogated by exactly this sort of poor design and manufacture. Just because you've witnessed it, doesn't mean the opposite (i.e. stable, versatile and modern) isn't possible or available. The problem is that almost EVERYTHING modern is rushed out the door to sell it, especially games consoles - build it cheap, stack it high. "Fix it in firmware" are words that you DO NOT want to hear - it means someone isn't doing their job. Even the ability of upgrading firmware should be rarely used, hard to do and positively discouraged.

It's like the people who say "Well, Vista should crash more, it's newer!". No, it shouldn't - it should be learning by the mistakes of the past few decades and be virtually uncrashable (this is NOT impossible - and yet in two trials of Vista I've crashed machines within literally hours of building them for my workplace without even doing anything "fancy" like installing drivers or applications, or installing new hardware, or using unsupported or broken hardware, etc.). In fact, the exact opposite should be true and it should be more reliable, faster on the same machine, and do more, because it's based on decades-old technology with a new sheen. System requirements should not be going up as quickly as they are (almost damn exponential!) - and now that we're hitting limits (CPU speed, etc.), some OS and programs are showing their limitations and actually getting SLOWER on the top-end hardware because they rely on things just getting faster every year. There was a time when a PC upgrade meant that everything ran faster. Now it merely means that things run.

In terms of software, reliability should be going *up* all the time - the software should be getting fixed more and more as time goes on, not thrown out with each new iteration. You win by making things SIMPLE and reuseable, not complex. The simpler they are, the easier they are to find problems, the less they have to go wrong, the easier they are to fix. That's *software*. Easily updateable, changeable *software*. Hardware should be a million times more solid.

Games consoles are enclosed systems. Their hardware has been fixed to a finite set of components that will not change. Their OS software has a long time in which to be designed and is very basic - load game, run it, everything else should be handled by the application, so it's not like you have to update the DirectX drivers to fix a bug in a shader model or some such crap - the game works or doesn't and it's the game manufactures fault if it doesn't (this is the way it SHOULD work, anyway... I'm not surprised that MS basically try to make the XBox a mini-PC because it's all they know). Console hardware is *static*. Thus it can be tested *much* more extensively for problems than, say, my bodge-job, home-built, cheap-component PC which has been up now for over a year and never crashed or experienced a hardware problem (or, for that matter, needed any significant hardware maintenance in that time - I think I blew the dust off the fans once while it was still running). Or the dozens of servers, dozens of "blackboxes" and hundreds of client machines that I've built along the same lines in recent years. These things can EASILY run for decades, even being knocked about and moved in school environments. The BBC-Micro's that I pulled out of a skip last year from one school I work at were still perfectly operational despite years of heavy use and having been stored with no maintenance and then thrown (literally) into a skip and having building rubble thrown on them - THAT is solid-state hardware of thirty years ago! They were originally bought as a set of 15. There were still 15 there, all working - one of them we still used for flashing EEPROM's! We should have moved FORWARD from that, not BACKWARD.

A computer should be switched on, work should be done, and then it should be switched off. Anything that causes that cycle not to work under reasonable conditions (i.e. not dropped, not placed in a furnace, etc.) is the fault of either the hardware manufacturer or the operating system author. It's as simple as that. We're talking solid-state components, enclosed systems, zero tampering, well-specced hardware, millions of units. There should be adequate design and testing to make sure that this stuff just does not happen and that the abuse it's likely to recieve is catered for. It's a modern disease to expect to have to "reboot" a computer, or to treat it carefully from a software point of view (i.e. the user should never do X), or to take software or hardware failures with no real underlying reason in your stride. Anything related to power or heat is a sure sign that somebody wasn't doing their job.

I worked in a school which had a card-swipe, door-access system. The thing could run for years at a time without problems. The only problems were if the brats in school prised off the steel casing, and tried to jab a screwdriver into PCB of the thing. Then it would lock the whole door-access network (WHY?! Especially in a security system, having such a DoS situation is just stupid). But you could just reset or replace the boards while everything was still online and then everything would just work again. Ignoring the "locking the network" part, that's how it should be - no problems unless you do something incredibly stupid and unexpected. Hardware failure is true hardware failure. We complained for YEARS about the locking the network thing (despite the fact that there was no way our users should have been doing what they did to get it to do that) because it was otherwise a perfect system that, despite integrating with convential PC hardware, never went wrong.

Computers aren't magical mystical hardware. We know how they work. We can test them in harsh environments. They are predictable and dependable. Just because modern companies think that testing consists of turning one on and playing one game on one occasion means that the thing should work anywhere and everywhere without further testing does not mean they are right. Faults such as this SHOULD NOT be happening without proof that severe stress is being put on the hardware - if some kid is kicking their Xbox about, fair enough, you can't avoid such things, but the fact that they are replacing under warranty for such issues means that's probably NOT happening.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296119)

the fun part is that the competitor had an inverse problem with wiimots being more sturdy than everything else and basically destroying people's tvset, eyes, faces, walls...

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296171)

>>>Of course an XBox 360 is less stable than, say, a SNES. Of course a 1960 Chevy truck was more sturdy than a 2009 model. It's in the nature of things to become more fragile the more versatile they get.
>>>

Yeah, and yet the PS3 has next-to-no problems, and the Wii console has zero problems. So I'm blaming the designer not the complexity. (I also question your claim the SNES was simple. For its time it was leading edge technology and just as prone to engineering mistakes as an X360.)

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (1)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296315)

Well, the Wiimote has some problems. That strap is flimsy and folks have broken big-screen LCD displays because of it. But your point is still good.

Re:I don't quite see what this is about (1)

Jeppe Salvesen (101622) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296265)

Of course a 1960 Chevy truck was more sturdy than a 2009 model. It's in the nature of things to become more fragile the more versatile they get.

Not at all. The 2009 Chevy Truck is engineered to be less sturdy. Why? Because a less sturdy truck requires less material to build and will therefore be cheaper. Y'know, most people tend to buy the cheaper of two equivalent products while flagrantly disregarding lifetime cost of the product.

This is a Microsoft plot (0, Troll)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295769)

They are gradually getting games accustomed to strange errors through the steady introduction of problems. As time goes on, these errors will become so prevalent that they become invisible to the average player.

As unlikely as it seems, this is actually Microsoft's strategy to decrease their own support costs. By reducing the helpdesk manual size to "have you checked that your cables are plugged in correctly?" and "Have you tried rebooting the machine?", they are also reducing the amount of time each support call requires. Reduced call times means fewer support technicians which means more money remains in Microsoft's pockets.

It's sad that they always think of the bottom line rather than their customers.

Re:This is a Microsoft plot (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295839)

It's all a conspiracy!!!! Microsoft is responsible!!!!

Re:This is a Microsoft plot (1)

TheSeer2 (949925) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296005)

That has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

And who said (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295835)

And who said Microsoft couldn't bring their high level of standards to the console world? The sad thing is that despite all these problems, their leading in this realm, too. It just shows that the world will eat up whatever second-rate crap they're fed and they'll keep on asking for more. MS has proven that twice now.

Re:And who said (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295859)

You're right except you're wrong, Microsoft is not leading here by any meaningful metric

Re:And who said (-1, Troll)

daveime (1253762) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295927)

And the late 20s / early 30s still-living-in-moms-basement, M$ is bad, OSS is good, information should be free except when it's under a GNU licence crowd you get in here are a "meaningful metric" ?

Yes, the most insignificant 0.007% of the population who have nothing better to do (myself included) than to post variations of "we hate microsoft" on a glorified BBS, and who have nothing but the support of our fellow peers modding us up or down to make us feel like we belong to an elite part of tech society.

I might have been tempted to say "you must be new here", except for the fact you didn't have the guts to post as anything but Anonymous Coward.

Sorry, I'm in a funny mood today ...

Re:And who said (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295991)

What the hell are you talking about?
Whether MS is good or bad is of no interest here,
it's just that the MS box is not leading, the Nintendo boxes that everyone are hating are leading.
And i'm too lazy to even give a fake email to register, and seeing how well a 7digit account like you behave that doesn't sound like a good idea anyway.

capcha : despises
fitting i guess

Microsoft's mascot should be a bug (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295981)

The early releases of Windows Vista and the xbox 360 remind me of Microsoft's special touch.

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030329

Re:And who said (1)

berwiki (989827) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296521)

"despite all these problems"... do we really know how many people the RROD and E74 affect? I've seen ridiculous reports at over 30%. Gimme a break. I know over a dozen people with 360s and only 1 had a RROD error, and that was after he moved to a different apartment, so who knows what happened in transit.

Whatever, this is slashdot, so logic and reasoning don't apply to MS bashing, but I enjoy my 360 over the higher priced, less games available, PS3 at the moment.

Heh, figures. (3, Interesting)

rarel (697734) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295895)

I don't want to troll, but that's exactly why I chose to buy a PS3 instead of a 360. It cost me more, and the 360 has *plenty* of games I'd like to play, but I just can't justify paying that kind of money for a shoddy brick that could actually be broken before I even plug it in for the first time.

I'm not disappointed by the PS3, I actually have quite a lot of fun with it, but I'd have bought a 360 Elite instead a long time ago if it weren't for the litany of failures reported everyfuckinwhere.

The games are cool, but they managed to ruin this making the hardware a piece of crap. Mod me troll if you like, that's just how it is.

Re:Heh, figures. (2, Insightful)

skaet (841938) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296287)

Hosestly, I don't know if anyone has actually bothered looking for the real failure rate rather than jumping on the /. Bash Microsoft Bandwagon. What do you suppose it is? /. would probably have you believe it's anywhere upwards of 30 or 40%. If you went to the retailers they'd tell you it's between 15 and 20%. Which is still bloody high, but 1 in 6? I like those odds. Especially when they now have a 3 fucking year warranty. (see I can emphasize phrases with cuss words too!)

Call me a fanboi if you must, I have yet to see a problem. I've bought two Xbox 360 consoles - one original from 2007, the other from 2008. Neither one has ever RROD, crashed, over-heated, read error, scratched disc, or E74'd.

Stupid Xbots... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296421)

"Neither one has ever RROD, crashed, over-heated, read error, scratched disc, or E74'd."

Someone stupid enough to buy two of the universally regarded Worst Console Ever Made.

Stupid enough to try to get anyone to believe the shit you just wrote.

What a coincidence! What a total fucking loser.

Re:Heh, figures. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296447)

I think you prove something interesting, though: no xbox 360 fan seems incapable of owning just -one- xbox 360.

Everyone I have talked to about their xbox has bought at least 2; either because one of them broke down, or for -no damn good reason-.

My Wii is being played 'upside down'. I have dropped it, accidentally kicked it, had a piece of paper get wedged in the CD slot by mistake...and my Wii doesn't even hesitate on a loading screen. Have you tried to do any of that with your xbox? Yeah, thought not; have fun with your pansy computer that can't handle the abuse of -moving-.

Re:Heh, figures. (4, Interesting)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296449)

I know the plural of anecdote is not data, but I am on my third Xbox (I've only purchased one). The first one would sometimes freeze up on powerup, sometimes give an E74, and they wouldn't replace it till it RROD'd, it lasted two months. The second one lasted just over a year (long enough for the standard warranty to run out) it started randomly freezing up in the midst of games, the menus, etc and at completely random intervals. They refused to replace it. Flatly refused, the only thing the 3 year warranty is for is RROD's. Eventually (a few weeks later) it did RROD:

Advice for the unfortunate out there, don't pay $100 or so to ship your console to Microsoft if its freezing up, wait a bit and actually use it and put up with the freezing for a few weeks, it seems likely to result in a RROD.

Re:Heh, figures. (1)

lubricated (49106) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296545)

There is a high failure rate and then there is the stuff that doesn't show up in the statistics. I've owned two 360's. The first one got stolen. The first one also would randomly freeze up from overheating. Even though it was placed away from other electronics on it's own table. My new one doesn't overheat but the drive in there is shoddy and gets read errors from random reads. This is now sort of fixed since you can now install games to the hard drive. The point is that neither of these consoles would have been recorded on the failure rate. The three year warranty only covers red ring of death issues after the first year.

I also have a ps3. It was a waste of money, I prefer to play games on my 360, I prefer to watch movies on my htpc. The only game I've liked on the ps3 is metal gear. Little big planet was made for little japanese girls.

Re:Heh, figures. (4, Informative)

berend botje (1401731) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296563)

I'm now on my ninth Xbox 360. All replaced under warranty. I've had multiple RRoD's, one dead-on-arrival, scratched disks (they didn't replace the disks) and other failures.

So, lets make this very clear.

I bought an Xbox 360, which broke. It was replaced, and it broke. It was replaced, and that one broke. It was replaced, and it broke again. It was replaced, and it broke, just as the ones before. It was replaced, and it broke. It was, once again, replaced, and it broke. It was replaced, and it broke, as usual. It was replaced, and now I'm waiting for it to break.

Re:Heh, figures. (3, Insightful)

Threni (635302) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296603)

> Which is still bloody high, but 1 in 6? I like those odds

Things have pretty much changed over the last 30 odd years if people genuinely believe a 1 in 6 failure rate is acceptable.

Yep, No Reason Other Than The RRoD... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296347)

LOL!

If only the 360's hardware wasn't a stinking pile of shit, you'd have an amazing console that:

* Has 1.5 gigabytes less storage than the PS2 and Xbox had last gen for game - "Buh,buh,buh...compression!"

* Is jet engine noisy thanks to the shitty hardware and outdated 12x DVD drive spinning at an insane rate

* Has a stupid giant external power brick

* Wimpy graphics hardware - the 360 graphics hardware is so botched and underpowered the system after 3 years on the market only has the stupid and outdated crossplatform Unreal Engine as its 'big graphical showpiece'. Gotta love those Epic 5000 by 5000 16xAA UE3 marketing renders for 360 games!

* Won't let you upgrade the internal harddrive with off the shelf drives from any store but instead have to pay roughly double or more from Microsoft themselves

* 50 dollar a year online charges adding an extra couple hundred dollars to the price of the console over its life

* No dedicated servers for big online games. Lag, lag, lag, and tiny player counts for online games

* Pathetic first party studios. Only 3 Xbox first party stuidos for the 360: Rare, Lionhead, and Turn 10. An absolute joke compared to Nintendo's 10 and Sony's 20

* No keyboard and mouse support

* No webbrowser

* No Blu-Ray movie support

But I guess there is the 'amazing' 360 2009 and beyond games lineup of multiplatform games you can play on other consoles or your PC and DLC and...uh...another fucking Halo game!

Re:Yep, No Reason Other Than The RRoD... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296435)

amazing that if what you said was true, or even decent, you wouldn't have posted it as AC, but you know that you're wrong, and know that you are on /. so everything anti M$ is true and the right way to be. Grow some balls and post as yourself. Your friendly AC :)

Re:Yep, No Reason Other Than The RRoD... (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296457)

All that for $100 less then the PS3. In business the winner is rarely the most technological advanced but the one who finds the best balance between price and performance. These devices are strictly designed for entertainment, I know some grammes base their lives around this, but to be realistic these are designed to play games. Most of the population who buys these products want to play the games more then drool at the graphics, sound, analyses the story plot etc...

Re:Yep, No Reason Other Than The RRoD... (1)

MediaStreams (1461187) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296493)

The PS3 is 200 dollar more expensive than the 360, not 100.

Even with the 200 dollar extra cost, the PS3 just sold virtually identically number of units worldwide as the 360 in 2008, and is selling at significantly faster rate in life to date sales.

So much for your theory...

Sony not much better (5, Informative)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295921)

There's a lot being said about the infamous red ring of death killing 360's but Sony are getting almost no coverage of their issues.

There's been a large scale problem of Blu Ray drives in PS3s dying from the Diode burning out. This recently happened to me when I wanted to dust off the console to play RE5. I've replaced drive heads in the PS2 before so I thought I'd save £60 and repair it myself. Turns out the drive head that is in 'all EU 40gb ps3s' with two lenses, isn't in mine and I have to fork out another £60 on top of what I've spent already to get the correct part...

There seems to be two main possible causes of this happening: a patch increased the voltage going to the drive in an attempt to speed up the slow load times, some models can't take this and fail (the way the drives take a while to fail completely and cases focus around big new releases that force you to patch make this seem possible).

Second is turning the power switch off when there's a disc in the drive, apparently the drive hates it and is very sensative to power fluctations. Seems incredibly crappy if this is the case. I hate leaving things in standby.

I just can't understand why modern games consoles have so many problems. I've never had any drive fail except in consoles, Not even the cheapest, nastiest generic drives I could get have ever failed.

Re:Sony not much better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295971)

any documentation or a reliable link to prove that this is a "large scale problem"? i've had my ps3 since launch date with no problems.

Re:Sony not much better (1)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296073)

Google: ps3 won't read discs. there are plenty of forums full of people with PS3s with dead drives.

There are lots of people recently having this problem, specifically from the end of feb. There are measures which seem to fix it for a week or so, but as soon as your PS3 starts struggling to read discs, it's on the verge of death.

Although the scale of it is hard to guess, the same thing is happening to a lot of people suddenly.

Sony have suggested there's nothing wrong with their patches it's just that lots of people dusted off their consoles to play RE5 or KZ2 which is why there's been a sudden surge of failures.

Re:Sony not much better (1)

grodzix (1235802) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295973)

First version(s) of PSX had plastic elements in their cd drive instead of metal ones to decrease cost. As it turned out they got worn out much quicker than predicted so they've fixed it with putting in propper metal parts.

Also I heard that some versions had serious overheating issues when used for a long time.

You know, nothing new here. If you try to cut costs the quality gonna go down in one or other place.

Re:Sony not much better (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295975)

You know, there's a reason they aren't getting much coverage. Maybe because it isn't happening (on a large scale, anyway).

Re:Sony not much better (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296027)

No kidding. And it seems like most of abigsmurf's problem is that he decided to do the repair himself and he bought THE WRONG FUCKING PART! If you're going to try to repair something yourself, it really helps if you know what you're doing. And then when you screw that up, you should only be getting mad at yourself, not the company who would've gladly fixed it for you. Then again, sounds like today's I-take-no-responsibility-for-my-actions youth. Now get off my lawn!

Re:Sony not much better (1, Insightful)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296099)

Yes... Try thinking before you write.

How would me buying the wrong part for my already broken console be the cause of the breakage? As far as I know, psychic powers aren't a documented feature of the Cell processor.

Re:Sony not much better (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296153)

Try reading before you write.

At no point did I ever claim or insinuate that your purchasing the wrong part is what caused the breakage. I did however claim that your inability to perform the repair by yourself is the root cause of your angst. Or would you still be pissed off if you had been able to fix it yourself? I'm guessing you wouldn't.

Re:Sony not much better (1)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296261)

Erm yes? I would've been?

Even if the part had been the correct one, I'd still be out £40 and had to have spent an afternoon taking the console apart, not to mention the time spent restoring the console and backing up the save files. 'Most of my problem' is the console breaking in the first place.

abigsmurf, Absolute Loser (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296379)

You're a fucking embarrassment to all console gamers you piece of shit Xbot.

A fucking lying and pathetic loser.

No wonder everyone in the console world despises Microsoft, the Xbox, and its loser fanboys like abigsmurf.

Re:Sony not much better (2, Funny)

Megane (129182) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296317)

As far as I know, psychic powers aren't a documented feature of the Cell processor.

Are you sure about that? The way Sony was talking just before the PS3 was released, I'm sure I remember them claiming it had psychic powers, and the ability to leap tall buildings in a single bound, too!

Re:Sony not much better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296019)

They're not getting coverage because the scale of the problems is vastly smaller. I've neither known anyone who suffered this problem or even heard of this problem. Xbox's and X360's are dropping like flies and always have been. Every complicated peice of hardware is going to have glitches and failures, but a few reports does not a 'large scale' problem make.

Re:Sony not much better (1)

AC-x (735297) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296103)

> Not even the cheapest, nastiest generic drives I could get have ever failed.

Really? I usually end up replacing my optical drives in my PC every 18-24 months or so as they get slowly worse and worse at reading discs (even after cleaning). At less then £20 each I'm not really surprised tho.

Xbox Fans - The Scum Of The Console World (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296169)

What a disgusting piece of shit abigsmurf and other Xbox fanboys are.

Fuck off and die you lying piece of garbage.

Meanwhile MS is killing off PC gaming (0, Offtopic)

syousef (465911) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295925)

I don't think it was even reported on slashdot, but those Microsoft job cuts in Jan/Feb included all but 6 members of the Aces Studio team that developed Microsoft Flight Simulator for about a quarter century. After creating a buggy resource hog with version 10 which required 2 service packs to make bearable (and it's still buggy by most accounts), they simply killed off one of the best educational tools they ever built.

Re:Meanwhile MS is killing off PC gaming (1)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296151)

So is it a bad thing they laid of the studio that ruined flight simulator or a good thing then?

MS does do a lot for PC gaming. For all the negativity DirectX gets on here, they work heavily with graphics card makers and software developers creating each version, including it in their consoles enables easier ports between consoles and PC gaming making PC titles get a chance at a wider audience and in general most games companies are generally happy using the API over alternatives solutions such as OpenGL and SDL.

Overheating (1)

grodzix (1235802) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295941)

The overheating issue is quite funny one as XBox 360 has external power supply ^^ (and as far as I know power supply is quite important temperature increase factor).

Re:Overheating (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296121)

The overheating issue is quite funny one as XBox 360 has external power supply ^^ (and as far as I know power supply is quite important temperature increase factor).

Actually, the processors inside the unit also generate a substantial amount of heat. That's why they all have these giant heatsinks on them.

After this long... (3, Interesting)

sunami88 (1074925) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295985)

All this time since launch, and consoles are still dropping. I feel a fool for giving them my money *stares pointedly at his 360 with messed up video output*.

Call me a troll, but I feel ripped off: Fucking FAIL

Re:After this long... (1)

Megane (129182) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296425)

Call me a troll too, but I can't help feeling awesome for having waited all this time. But I have almost every TV console system released in North America from the PS2/GC/XBox era all the way back to Channel F, so it's not like I have a lack of things to play. And I even have a Wii but play my PS2 instead.

I'm still leery about a system that nobody has cracked yet (I love my two jukebox XBoxes and will do it to fat PS2s when I have the time), but mostly it's the RROD and disc-eating that I wanted to avoid. Now that the 65nm/65nm units are out, and the new LiteOn drives are supposed to be more reliable, maybe I'll get one later this year. That is, if there's something I want to play badly enough to pull me away from my PS2.

And the replies in this article are the first I've heard of PS3 hardware problems... ah yes, good old drive decay. I hope you "but it's such a great value because it plays BluRay movies!" people finally understand why it's BAD to use a video game system to play movies. Me, I'm still pissed that they took out the PS2 compatibility, and didn't even keep it as an option. Now if I want one someday, I'll have to worry about the drive dying too. The good news is as long as the drive works long enough to install Linux, it's still a good emulator platform, even with the gimped graphics access.

Hardware Problems? (3, Funny)

Hasney (980180) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296021)

On my 360? I never thought I'd see the day!!!!

Re:Hardware Problems? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296555)

Hardware problems? In my xbox 360? It's more likely than you think!

An Xbox 360 breaking... (5, Funny)

Sabz5150 (1230938) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296035)

This is news? Oh... it's breaking in an entirely new way? Now that's news.

Go microsoft (2, Funny)

davro (539320) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296041)

Son "Mum i have a red ring of death on my ..." interrupted by Mum Mum "Your going straight down the doctors and your not playing with Jonny and Billy any more" Son "But Mum the red ring of death is on my X box ?" Mum "More the reason to get you down the doctors, Now get in the car!" Son "But Mum just look at my X box ?" Mum "You dirty little boy get in the car now were going down the doctors, and then to the psychiatrist."

E74OD (2, Funny)

MrKaos (858439) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296081)

Microsoft's E74 Of Death

in recent years??? (4, Informative)

theeddie55 (982783) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296097)

This is not the first time the Xbox 360 has experienced technical issues; in recent years many people have complained about scratched discs and over-heating consoles â" the 'red ring of death.'"

I think the term "in recent years" is more than a little unnecessary in reference to a console that's only been available for a little over 3 years.

Wow, does that article suck. (5, Informative)

Petersko (564140) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296255)

I had an XBOX360, and I had a PS3. Sold both a while back when I realized I hadn't played a console game in over six months.

I don't have a vested interest in this article. I don't measure my self-worth by what strangers think of my choice in consoles. I don't give a damn about the RROD, or about the E74 error.

However, I hate stupid articles like this one.

Everything you need to know about the worth of this article is contained in this chart [blogcdn.com]

Lovely, isn't it? And no, the numbers aren't "in thousands". They're talking about reports over the last year going from 3 per month to 15. That's not failures - that's "emails to joystiq.com". It's worse than useless.

Did the emails spike because owners are, in fact, seeing spiking numbers of failures? Did the spike occur because some other site mentioned it with a link to related materials on joystiq.com? Did the emails say if the failures occured this month, or if some people were reporting failures from a couple years ago?

Al Gore would most assuredly approve of that chart.

They point out that their "little study" isn't perfect [joystiq.com] , and that it's unscientific, but then they say, "as we interpret the data...". Of course that data is statistically insignificant and hopelessly flawed.

If you're going to start beating the drum on something like this you should get your shit together in advance. Otherwise you're going to look like an idiot.

That was my first trip to joystiq.com. Probably my last, too.

MOD UP, BITCH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296417)

~

Re:Wow, does that article suck. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296653)

Ha ha ha - Al Gore. Maybe the uptick in XBOX 360 errors is due to "Global Warming"! That's it; I'm buying a Prius.

Yep, happened to me last year (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296311)

In October or so of '07, the 360's video died. Thankfully, I had the BB extended warranty and swapped it right out.

Still, it sucks to have to lose everything you downloaded and played through.

No way! (1)

PeeShootr (949875) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296459)

It is not possible that Microsoft has put out a shoddy product. I don't believe it!

How many errors? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296551)

Why do you think the 360 was called 360?

"Steve, how many different errors have been found with the new xbox?"
"Three-hundred and Sixy, Bill."
"I think we have our name."

I think there's a chair-throwing reference in there somewhere...

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