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Battle For Wesnoth Version 1.6 Released

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the new-and-shiny dept.

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bomanbot writes "The team for the great turn-based, open-source strategy game Battle for Wesnoth has just released the new stable version 1.6 of their popular title. Some of the new version's highlights include a new campaign, new multiplayer scenarios, improved graphics and user interface, and new background music. The full release notes have been posted, and the source code and binary downloads for many different platforms including Linux, Windows and Mac OS X are available as well."

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Obama Afro-Leninst Bankrupting the USA Tsarkon Rpt (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295403)

Obama Afro-Leninst Bankrupting the USA Tsarkon Rpt
Barack Hussein Barry-Soetoro-Afro-Leninist Obama II.

- Chairman Barack Hussein "The Teleprompter" Obama is deeply connected to corruption, Rahm Emanuel (Radical authoritarian Statist-Zionist whose father was part of the Murderous Civilian Killing Israeli Terrorist Organization known as IRGUN), Connected to Rod Blagojevich (Rahm inherited Rod's federal-congress seat), Connected to Ayers, a man who promotes the concept that civilian collateral damage is ok in a war against freedom, Preacher Jeremiah Wright, who is himself a black-elitist who wants all the people who largely "pay the freight" to suffer, 31 million on food stamps, more blacks are in prison and on food-stamps per capita than anyone else. The problem with Wright is simply this: the facts are "racist."
- Obama: Racist, AIPAC-Zionist, Corrupted and a Traitor and a Liar who can't even produce a valid birth certificate (which is not a certificate of live birth)
- Raytheon lobbyist in Pentagon
- Goldman Sachs insider second in command at Treasury.
- Cabinet has had several nominees and appointees with multiple tax fraud issues.
- The head of the IRS and the head of the Treasury, Geithner, is a Tax Cheat
- Lied about no lobbyists
- Lied about having a new degree of accountability and a SUNSHINE period of new laws, he has signed bills with little or no review at whitehouse.gov as promised.
- Appointed a second amendment violating Rich-pardoning treasonist Eric Holder as AG, the top cop of the USA, a man who helped a fugitive evade justice.
- Has not put a dime in for a single new nuclear power plant but wants to help bridges and roads to promote more driving.
- Obama, Blagojevich and Rahm Emanuel have a LOT to hide. They literally lived next to each other, Rahm had (until being Chairman Obama's Chief of staff) Blagojevich's old federal congressional seat. Blagojevich helped Chairman "The Teleprompter" Obama cheat his way to the Illinois senate by getting other candidates thrown off the ballot in Illinois. Why do you think Blagojevich was so mad? Obama DID owe him, big time. Rahm and Obama are using Blagojevich and trying to cut his head off to keep him away.
- Tony Rezko, Iraqi Arms Dealer Nahdmi Auchi, and of course Aiham Alsammarae. Chairman "The Teleprompter" Hussein Obama is so corrupted its a joke.
- Fools and "useful idiots" twist the pie charts by leaving welfare, workfare, interest on debt, social security, Medicare and Medicaid out and focusing only on non-whole "discretionary" pie charts.
2007 high level pie chart, Federal Budget, USA [wikimedia.org]
2009 Pie chart, detailed, Federal Budget, USA [wikimedia.org]
- Chairman Obama is drastically increasing spending and creating more entitlements that will make the US less competitive (especially against China, India, East Europe/Russia). This will be a huge disaster and change you can believe in will strap you and your grandkids with more debt. No taxation without representation? Obama is spending money for the next two-three generations and they can't even vote yet, or even have been born.
- An alternative to the dollar and a forex and a reserve currency came up at the last G20 meeting. The world will not take faith in Obama's liar-socialist spending and welfare state, why should the taxpayers (plebian citizen-slaves of a police state).
- The spending going on now vastly eclipses all previous spending. In fact, the massive trillion plus debts is a thing of the 80's onwards. Congress signs the checks, remember that Year after year, as egregious as the pentagon spending is, that the social spending is completely a waste of money and it is unfunded over the long term. Eisenhower built the interstates, the US could build a new power infrastructure with this money but instead is being pissed into creating more of an entitlement system that is STILL unfunded, and without massive poll-taxes and far more aggressive progressive taxes, could NEVER be funded.
- The budgeting being done today were recently reported by a non-partisan auditing commission will lead to about 10 TRILLION in new debt over the next 10 years. Obama is going to double the national debt while doing nothing to address the unfunded debt obligations of Social Security.
- Clinton appointed David Walker of the GAO, he quit, the unfunded debt obligations have rendered the USA insolvent according to accounting standards.
Taxpayers on the hook for $59 trillion [usatoday.com]
US Public Debt Unfunded Debt Obligations [wikipedia.org]
- Most of the world population gets NOTHING from their governments, or a very bare minimum or services that benefit only the upper echelons of society. However, the liar Chairman Obama says we need his universal "state-hospital" rationed health care to be competitive. Bull. China and India give nothing, and they are the biggest threat to the American worker. By forcing healthcare and higher taxes, Americans will be less competitive.
- If you think 60% tax rates end to end (income, accounts receivable tax, building permit tax, CDL tax, cigarette tax, corporate income tax, dog license tax, federal income tax, unemployment tax, gasoline tax, hunting license tax, fishing license tax, waterfowl stamp tax, inheritance tax, inventory tax, liquor tax, luxury tax, Medicare tax, city, school and county property tax (up 33 percent last 4 years), real estate tax, social security tax, road usage tax, toll road tax, state and city sales tax, recreational vehicle tax, excise tax, state franchise tax, state unemployment tax, telephone federal excise tax, telephone federal state and local surcharge tax, telephone minimum usage surcharge tax, telephone state and local tax, utility tax, vehicle license registration tax, capital gains tax, lease severance tax, oil and gas assessment tax, misc internet sales tax and many more taxes that I can't recall at the moment) will make the US competitive, along with compulsory programs to provide everyone with health care is going to make the US competitive in the age of India and China, you are a joke.
- As the US nationalizes (read: rations healthcare) to the least common denominator of affordability without regard to efficacy, people with money will simply look into medical tourism so those with money can go to medical parks in India and get real health care. Those who have lived in Canada or in the UK can tell you "free" healthcare is NOT a panacea. If you think this, you are again, a useful idiot. The NHS in the UK has given bad blood and Hepatitis and AIDS blood to people, and Jade Goody who just died was misdiagnosed twice resulting in her death (She was all cleared twice of cervical cancer which she just died of). The NHS in the UK is not able to be sued or held accountable. Neither will Chairman Obama's rationed health care service for America.
- Sorry to bust the socialist bubble-lie, but support of these types of policies will simply lower the standard of living in the USA, particularly for the middle class. At least at the end of the Eisenhower projects the USA got roads to show for the spending, and with this new spending, the USA could have built power plants that get the USA out of the middle east, but the age of government for the sake of government is upon us, and the useful idiots line up and believe empty promises.
The pentagon (and Bechtel, Kroll, Bluewater, Halliburton, etc) could get less than half of what they get today, but that will fix nothing fundamental in terms of government spending. It is simply not enough to make a difference when compared to the Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security entitlements.
See: YouTube - US Government Immorality Will Lead to Bankruptcy [youtube.com]
- If Obama thinks its ok to lie to 300 million people about being able to "take care of them" without even being honest about what that care would look like, then being an idiot and believing in Obama is for you.
- The US Government already have over 50% of the budget on Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security. Socialists: Good job on that one, its working great. Solution to the current near-collapse-due-to-over-spending: add more unfunded entitlements!
- You Socialist-liars can break my spirit and my financial back to force me to "need" a federal government that is turning this country into a police state and turn it into a quasi-socialist lie, but I will, I must put up a fight. I have kids to educate and feed, and the stuff you sell (which is failing to various degrees everywhere else as implemented) is simply forcing a culture of failure on a once great, libertarian free country.
- I will not be complacent with your "change," and there will be a point where civil war will become an option. See how hard you can push before you get it. How much more than half can the truly productive workers in this country afford to pay. Keep pushing to find out how to start a civil war.
- The socialist-lie of a plan will not work, its not fundable, it WILL destroy the currency to fund it, and its really as simple as this: if this insanity is funded by borrowing from the US's economic and military adversaries then Obama and his socialist cabal is NOT fit to administrate society. Rome fell. Kings who mis-manged their treasuries all fell. Every example of unhinged spending leads to the same result: systemic collapse.
- Obama and his sycophantic lunatics would want to have a civil war to get Chairman Obama's way and force the socialist-lie system on my already tax paying law abiding ass. And as far as "no new taxes" for those under 250k, its a lie, the tax is called inflation, which is set to begin just about now that the Chinese wont want the USA's worthless treasuries to fund the socialist-lie fantasy (one that COMMUNIST China doesn't even try and sell to its people!)
- Chairman Obama's numbers don't add up. There is a $59 trillion dollar hole (UFDO) in social security alone. AIG $150 billion here, TARP $350 billion there. $800 billion for a highly dubious stimulus package. Another one on the way. $59 trillion hole in the balance sheet IGNORED. China saying they aren't going to buy treasuries, Clinton clamoring to find buyers now. $3.6 trillion dollar budget, potential military action on Mexico, Iran still a "terrorist state" at the behest of the AIPAC, spending up, dollar about to fall, inflation over time since Breton Woods extremely easy to document, yet, the socialist-liars question when the numbers (the Federal Government numbers) simply don't add up to the point where if the US-GOV was a company it would be insolvent.
  -How dare the taxpayers question what Chairman Obama's drastic spending increases are going to do to the purchasing power of our savings because Chairman Obama wants to recklessly spend and try to maintain and American empire AND guarantee a standard of living, and Chairman Obama doesn't even want to build a single nuclear power plant to do it? Chairman Obama must be a complete and total lunatic moron.
- Obama is either a negligent idiot or an unhinged maniac with delusional fantasies. Meanwhile, Chainman Obama's tax dodging Treasury Secretary has 17 unfilled positions, the Treasury Dept. isn't even functioning at this point.
- "General welfare" in the constitution was, according to the man who wrote it, Madison, meant to be extremely limited in scope. The federal government per the constitution doesn't even have the enumerated POWER to deal with economic messes. A lot of these "POWERS" were created while there is a crisis to dupe the public into accepting an un-constitutional authoritarian regime as the government and to usurp authority over the people.
- The USA is a constitutional republic. A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting to eat a sheep. Also a constitutional republic isn't about using a barely-majority or a plurality to stuff your (un-fundable disastrous) crap down the disenfranchised other-half's throat.
- With Obama's authoritarian corrupted criminal (aiding and abetting a criminal in flight of prosecution, Rich case) Eric Holder in charge, we won't have our inalienable and enumerated rights to firearms much longer. For a constitutional law expert, Obama must have never read the federalist papers or he would simply hand himself as a traitor.
- The arbitrary expansion of "general welfare" is not only unconstitutional, it may very well lead to a serious conflict on the issue.
- Here is a debate on general welfare and how stuff like this came to pass, but was clearly no intended by the authors of the document of root law.
In Federalist No. 41, James Madison asked rhetorically: "For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power?" (In reference to the general welfare clause)
So strongly did the founders believe that "general welfare" wouldn't be expanded as written:
In Federalist No. 84, Alexander Hamilton indirectly confirmed Madison's point. (That the "general welfare" clause was "clearly" nota free pass for government)
Hamilton argued that a bill of rights, which many were clamoring for, would be not only unnecessary, but dangerous. Since the federal government was given only a few specific powers, there was no need to add prohibitions: it was implicitly prohibited by the listed powers. If a proposed law a relief act, for instance wasn't covered by any of these powers, it was unconstitutional.
"why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do? Why, for instance, should it be said, that the liberty of the press shall not be restrained when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed?"
Hamilton goes on to argue that making Amendments (e.g., enumerating Free speech, press and assembly) and enumerating the 'right' would have the following effect:
(A bill of rights) "would furnish, to men disposed to usurp, a plausible pretence for claiming that power that is, a power to regulate the press, short of actually shutting it down. "
"With respect to the words 'general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers (enumerated in the Constitution) connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." --James Madison [The US Supreme Court has found the meaning of "general welfare" in the Constitution to be much more elastic than did Mr. Madison. But as the "author of the Constitution," what does he know?]
James Madison, when asked if the "general welfare" clause was a grant of power, replied in 1792, in a letter to Henry Lee,

If not only the means but the objects are unlimited, the parchment [the Constitution] should be thrown into the fire at once.

"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government , and to provide new Guards for their future security. ...--The Declaration of Independence
- Wrong, monetizing failures causes more. Japan showed us this for decades. But hey, Chairman Obama thinks you can fix a problem DECADES in the making with a quick fixer-upper, he is screwed in the head.
- The complaints are with the Federal government (in general) since Breton Woods. The Federal Government and Obama's minions STILL didn't listen to David Walker, a Clinton appointee and former head of the GAO. This isn't about political parties anymore morons!
- Show me a single federal budget that was less than the previous. If this $3.6T budget goes, its never coming back barring systemic collapse.
- The United States Federal Government, The United States Federal Reserve, and the banks which were enabled to continue down reckless paths by a quasi government agency known as the Federal Reserve whose actions are not subject to congress and whose members are unelected. This situation is untenable and unconstitutional.
- Every inflationary road taken in history ends in collapse. Keynesian policies are widely regarded as no longer workable.
- Inflation is a tax: What ignorant tax and spenders don't take into account here is the relative percentages of people's wealth (both net and gross) and the costs of owning and maintaining houses, cars, standards of living.
- Inflation via deficit spending is going to make it such that you will be paying a lot more by percentage of your income to maintain a given standard of living. Obama's arguments are so poorly thought out and seek to blame "Republicans" for the mess, its really simply laughable - the needs cleanup now, not worsening.
- You can't spend your way out of a hole if the creditors (e.g. China) start telling the USA they won't buy. It is that simple. Now America starts to have to collateralize the debt with assets. The USA will be selling off chunks of American assets to back the new debt. One day, it may even be necessary to sell Alaska back to Russia because no one will take greenbacks to prop up a failing version of a modern Rome.
- Ah, here we go with the Matthew Lesko arguments. [lesko.com]
Interest rates were on the rise before the government stepped in with free money for everyone (the fine print of course indicate massive strings attached).
Other economies, for example, India, have the central rates set to far more reasonable/realistic rates (at the moment ~ 8+%), which is still tends to be too low, but shows that if you need someone else capital you need to pay a premium for it, and given that capital is in short supply, it would stand to reason that a premium must be charged for it.
The problem is the unrealistic growth rates of mature economies don't allow for profiting via growth projections (rather than simply earning money). So the government steps in, turns on the free money spigot, gets the interest rates for savings down in the 1-2% range while diluting the value of the whole currency in order to prop up dying companies that ran the business like a Madhoff Ponzi scheme.
- The Republicans aren't solely responsible for the crisis as Obama's minions would have you believe, congress is (no particular congress), the Executive of the US government (no particular one) and the US Federal Reserve System are all at fault.
- Fundamentally, the government is trying to fix the prices of various things to "make it all work." This pulling on the invisible hand is a fools venture. It was predicted long ago the housing collapse (and those, such as myself, in the know, wished while realizing the housing collapse coming that we were wrong for everyone's sake - but the truth is the truth) . It may be that the Austrian (von Mises) economists will ultimately be proven right.
- We are a nation of partially educated whiney grabby idiots, and we got the government that represents this. The Chinese, India and other up and coming nations will show no mercy for this arrogant abuse of our status as the world's forex reserves.
- War and asset sales will continue to be the only option for this scheme until it is corrected at the core. And to say that the government has already averted a depression by doing what they did (most of the monies injected wont be "felt" for some time), is just arrogance and stupidity. Price fixing prolonged the Great Depression. Price-fixing (or attempting to) houses will do the same, but probably worse.
- Obama's minions simply don't care if the US is bankrupted and rendered insolvent, they just want a say in how its done, presumably to "feel safe." Rather selfish.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." AND "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (Possibly Richard Jackson)

- Everyone better realize that inflation will pay a major role in funding un-fundable fantasies, wiping the savers and the middle class out. The problem is, that other countries are growing tired of making our Federal Reserve notes worth something by buying our debt as treasuries. Obama's minions talk about spending, but in order to "get what YOU want" you will sell debt to potential economic and military adversaries? Real bright. What's really sad is that despite David Walker being an authority on these issues, people refuse to even watch him and listen to what he is saying.
- On the success of Canada and its form of Socialism: A huge country like Canada with massive amounts of uranium and tar sands and natural resources and a huge land mass with a scant 30 million people is an order of magnitude less of a problem to manage than a country with 10x its population, a serious leaky southern border, backfiring aggressive foreign policy, particularly with Iran, and the US is competing with countries like India and China whose middle classes are larger than the US's entire population. The top 5 students in every Indian and Chinese primary school out numbers all the kids in primary school in the US. Canada is a idyllic island, the USA is front and center in an all out economic and political clash of ideologies.
- Cap and trade (and pollution control for solving global problems) will never work unless the top 10 countries in the world (in terms of both GDP and manufacturing capacity and population) are on board. Period end. If the world doesn't quickly move to nuclear now and fusion shortly, it is OVER possibly not if every home on the planet gets a wind vane, but that seems unlikely to happen (since its possible now).
- Keynes calls it "the paradox of thrift" and suggested that policies forcing people not to save is a "good idea." The guy wanted people spending all the time, or if he didn't, he never conveyed that to his protégés well enough for them to not do what they are doing. Right now the plebeians in the US are actually stashing cash, and everyone from Obama to the media is trying to get people to spend spend spend. The best thing for the long term is for people to prepare for the coming hell, not set out with no reserves.
- I have seen Keynes invoked to justify nearly every bad move in the past decade, and its warming up to be a potential currency collapse, the collapse of the US Treasury and Federal Reserve notes, and a collapse of the NYSE. And then they invoke Keynes to suggest the best way out of the mess is to spend out of an already near-critically debt massed black hole.
- A house is run like a town is run like a country or business is run like a state is run like a government. If there are things the government is doing that would either force your home into bankruptcy or into jail via fraud charges, then the government and banks shouldn't be operating in that fashion. A certain degree of stretchy liquidity is in order, but in terms of percent of GDP, there is no way of justifying what they US has now.
- Iceland failed at 850 percent debt to GDP. The US is at 350 and rising. It is not a good thing at all.
- What is happening to the dollar as a forex standard. [youtube.com]
- March 19, 2009 C-SPAN - "Let's Quit Destroying Our Dollar!" [youtube.com]
- HR 1207 (A bill to make the Fed more accountable and to answer questions regarding the dollar policy) [loc.gov]

Title: Obama sidetracked by fiscal mess, but presses on [yahoo.com]
"Being heard above the din may prove difficult. Lawmakers are wrangling over taxing people who got big bonuses and worrying the president's budget could generate $9.3 trillion in red ink over the next decade."
- Kremlin to pitch new global currency [infowars.com]
Russia proposes creation of global super-reserve currency

Holy crap, even the Russians and Chinese get it. Strange days are here.

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Re:Obama Afro-Leninst Bankrupting the USA Tsarkon (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295571)

A dumb nigger communist traitor motherfucker we can believe in.

Typical nigger breaks the fucking bank first year at work. Its called nigger rich for a reason. And to think this dumb nigger's nigger daddy skipped out and his non-nigger relatives raised him. And then he marries a BIG NIGGER bitch and all she does is crib about niggers getting the boot in the USA.

This guys dumb nigger half will ruin the country, the smart white guy in him got himself elected, but if a person is more than 9% nigger, the nigger poisons the person and they become dumb as a nigger.

Spearchucking nigger jungle bunny nigger idiot. FUcking traitor nigger obama.

Re:Obama Afro-Leninst Bankrupting the USA (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296011)

Artist: Johnny Rebel Song: who likes a nigger

L.B.J. was a-flyin' one morn', Over south Louisiana...feeling for alarm, When he looks down below, and what does he see?, Two cajuns pullin' a nigger on ski's!, So he lands, and says, "Thanks for helping your black brother!", And them two cajuns just looked at each other, And said, "He might be smart, but I'll tell you something...", "He don't know a thing about alligator huntin'!", O-wop-bop-bam-bam, Who likes a nigger?, o-wop-bop-bam-bam
(CHORUS), Who likes a nigger?, o-wop-bop-bam-bam, Who likes a nigger?, And the hatin', everybody, is a-gettin' much bigger, Rich man travelin' down thru the South, Stopped in Mississippi to get a tooth pulled out, When he paid the doctor the charges due, He said "My nigger chauffer's got a bad tooth, too", "Well, I'll pull it...", said the doc, "but you'd better not holler!, Cause I'll have to charge you $200.00, Cause here in Mississippi he can't open his mouth, We'll have to go thru his bottom, to get the thing out!"
Chorus
There ain't much difference 'tween a nigger and a donkey, 'Bout as much between an ape and a monkey, Ones a little bigger, but you gotta agree, There's not very much more that you can see., But a mule earns his livin' by the sweat of his neck, While a nigger sits down and draws a gov't check, The nigger should be smarter, as a general rule, But in a spelling contest, I'd pick the mule!

Artist: Johnny Rebel Song: nigger hating me

I like sugar, and I like tea, But I don't like niggers...no siree!, There's two known things that'll make me puke, And that's a hog eatin' slop, and a big, black spook!, You know it...cause I show it, Like a barn-yard rooster I crow it!, And the NAACP, Would sure like to get a-hold of nigger-hatin' me!, Roses are red, and violet's are blue, And nigger's are black, you know that's true, But they don't mind, cause what the heck!, You gotta be black to get a welfare check!, And I'm broke...no joke, I ain't got a nickel for a coke!, And I ain't black, you see, So Uncle Sam won't help poor nigger-hatin' me., Jig-A-Boo, jig-a-boo...where are you?, I's here in the woodpile...watchin' you, Jig-A-Boo, jig-a-boo...come out!, No! Cause I'm scared of the white man's a-way down South, You know it!...cause I show it., Stick your black head out and I'll blow it!, And the NAACP, Can't keep you away from little old nigger-hatin' me!, Mirror, mirror...on the wall, Who is the blackest of them all?, A man named King, and there ain't no doubt, That he's causin' lots of trouble with his baboon mouth., Brewin'...he's a doin', It's caused by the trouble he's a-brewin', And the NAACP, Can't win if the white men stick with nigger-hatin' me!, Hey! Mr. President! What do you say?, When are we whites gonna have our day?, The nigger's had there's such a long, long time, I'm white, and it's time that I had mine!, You know it...cause I show it!, Stick your black head out and I'll blow it!, And the NAACP, Can't win if the white man sticks with nigger-hatin' me

Artist: Johnny Rebel Song: Affirmative Action

Affirmative action, what's this country coming to?, Affirmative action, what's the white man gonna do?, It's another government handout and simply said, "You've got to hire a nigger instead", I was down at the office, cleaning up the joint, Just doing a little extra, making brownie points, Cause I'd heard somebody say, a promotion's on the line, So I was working hard, I wa.nted that promotion to be mine, So I asked the CEO if I could have a try, He said "you work hard, son and I know you qualify., You're the best man for the job but it's out of my hands, I've got to give it to a nigger, courtesy of Uncle Sam", Oh affirmative action, what's this country coming to?, Affirmative action, what's the white man gonna do?, It's another government handout and simply said, "You've got to hire a nigger instead.", Now I went looking for a new job the very next day., I got an interview and things were surely going my way.., I was asked a lot of questions, I was giving it my best, My qualifications were impeccable, I could tell he was impressed, Then a nigger walked in and said, "yo, what's up, You need a man, well here I be. Say bro, you're in luck", The bossman looked at me and said "what can I do?, Uncle Sam says I've got to hire the nigger instead of you", Oh affirmative action, what's this country coming to?, Affirmative action, what's the white man gonna do?, It's another government handout and simply said, "You've got to hire the nigger instead", Now we've gotta stop what's happening to you and me., The feds have got to listen, and I'm sure you'll agree, We need to get their attention, and make them understand, I've been thinking about it lately, and I got a plan.., Oh let's act like a bunch of niggers and go out in the street., And demonstrate, and raise some hell, to everyone we meet, We'll stop taking all this crap that we have in the past., And tell Uncle Sam to stick the affirmative action up his ass., So affirmative action, what's this country coming to?, Affirmative action, what's the white man gonna do?, It's another government handout and simply said, "You've got to hire a nigger instead", Oh it's another government handout and simply said, "You've got to hire a nigger instead"

Artist: Johnny Rebel Song: Reparations

There you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, There you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me, You say all your ancestors were slaves, And that's the reason that you ought to get paid, You want something for nothing, you monkeys are all the same, You're putting all of the blame on the whites, We violated your civil rights, But your civil rights proven is nothing but a shakedown game., So there you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, There you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me, There ain't a slave still living today, So tell me why do you think we should pay?, For what we didn't do, and what didn't happen to you, You can always go back home, Where the monkeys and the baboons roam, And if you're ain't satisfied that's exactly what you ought to do., Hey there you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, There you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me, We don't owe you a damn thing, Man, you gotta be out of your mind, So take your reparations, And stick them where the sun don't shine, Hey there you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, And there you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me, We don't owe you a damn thing, Hey, you gotta be out of your mind, So take your reparations, And stick them where the sun don't shine, Hey there you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, There you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me, I said listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me

Artist: Johnny Rebel Song: Alabama Nigger

I'm an Alabama Nigger and I wanna be free, Hell with the N double A C P, I dont drink, I dont cuss, I wanna ride on the front of the bus, I'm an Alabama Nigger and I wanna be free, Hell with the N double A C P, I wanna eat where the white folks eat, cause I'm white on the bottom of my feet., I'm an Alabama Nigger and I wanna be free, Hell with the N double A C P, We dont screw like the white folks do, we just screw til we get through, I'm an Alabama Nigger and I wanna be free, Hell with the N double A C P, I wanna be white more and more, so i can bitch at the nigger next door, I'm an Alabama Nigger and I wanna be free, Hell with the N double A C P, I'm glad this tune came along, we done wore out one nigger song., I'm an Alabama Nigger and I wanna be free, Hell with the N double A C P, I wanna be white dont you understand, so I can play in a trashy white band, I'm an Alabama Nigger and I wanna be free, Hell with the N double A C P, I'm an Alabama Nigger and I wanna be free, Hell with the N double A C P

Artist: Johnny Rebel Title: DAMN, I WISH I WAS A NIGGER

if i was a nigger...i could drive a cadillac with class, my pocket stuffed with welfare checks, and i could sit on my big black ass, now you take a nigger, he aint nobody's fool, he doesn't buy any gasoline to drive his kids to school, damn i wish i was a nigger, our government has gone crazy, id change things if i could, if i was only a nigger, i could afford to live in a white neighborhood, oh the things that i could do, if i was black and hell bent, i could send my kids to college, and it wouldn't cost me one damn cent, damn i wish i was a nigger, the wife and i were down on our luck, we were really getting uptight, they said at the welfare office, you aint black you're white, oh how I've tried to get a job, a diploma i had with pride, the post office man laughed and said youre not dark enough to even qualify, damn i wish i was a nigger, i took a civil service exam, and passed it without shame, a nigger took one next to me, and he couldnt even write his own name, the nigger, he got the job, now he's government top ?prass?, he couldn't qualify for a trash truck, I'm out on the street on my ass, damn i wish i was a nigger, if i was a Jesse Jackson, id be nobody's slob, wearin $500.00 dollar suits, that nigger hasn't even got a job, if i was Jackson Brown, i could sit back and relax, and if elected president, could paint the white house black, damn i wish i was a nigger, if i was a jig-a-boo, i could find me my roots, with a afro big as a watermelon, and a pair of white disco boots, if i was only dark complexioned, i could stand tall in this life, i could eat high off the hog, just me and my white wife, damn i wish i was a nigger, things are supposed to be segregated, but things are a little off key, I've never seen a white man, head...of the NAACP, it aint that i don't like a nigger, if I've rubbed you wrong by chance, take a look at that mistletoe, hanging on the seat of my pants, damn i wish i was a nigger, if i was a kinky top, i could be a Martin Luther King, id have me a vision on a mountain top, my song the whole world would sing, i could have me a peace march, on the streets of Memphis, Tennessee, i could tare up the whole damn city, and the police wouldn't dare stop me, damn i wish i was a nigger, a lot of things in life i know, but one thing i cant figure, why a nigger can call me a honkey, and i cant call a nigger a nigger, if i was a jungle bunny, i could ring a golden bell, i could be a Mohammed Ali, and be loved by Howard Coozell, damn i wish i was a nigger, if i was a you-bangy, 7 foot tall and lean, i could be a famous player, on the Washington basketball team, if i was only chocolate brown, i could have me some turnip greens, a possum fat an watermelon, chitlens and a pot of butter beans, damn i wish i was a nigger, now when Martin Luther King, was buried in Washington with class, face down in his box, so the politicians could kiss his ass, i guess its just politics, and it sure gets my goat, kiss assin with a nigger, just to get his vote, damn i wish i was a nigger, if i was only a ?birdhead?, id live high on the hill, sellin cocaine and prostitutes, and poppin all kinds of pills, now take the NAACP, they can march and raise all kinds of hell, let the KKK start to move, and they'll all wind up in jail, damn i wish i was a nigger, i dreamed my life was over, i heard saint peter say, today we're taken on the niggers, you've gotta go the..other way, then i heard the devil, he said i heard what peter had to say, but I'm sorry to tell you son, today in hell...is nigger day, damn don't you wish you were a nigger, I'm going back to the hills of Arkansas, where they don't have those not damn one sided nigger peace marches, protesters, welfare check grabbers, I'm gon' plant me some turnip greens in a watermelon patch, raise me a hog, and a big fat possum, i said yes i am your mother

Artist: Johnny Rebel Title: If I Could Be A Nigger For A Day

Hello, I'm Johnny Rebel. For a long time we've listened to these niggers pitch a fit, 'bout their hard times, and civil rights. Well, ain't that the pits? So I think I'll take me an imaginary trip, and try to be a nigger for a day., If I could be a nigger for a day, I could live my life the free and easy way, I'd take from Uncle Sam and let the white man pay, If I could be a nigger for a day, Now for one whole day, a nigger I could be, The first thing I'd do is join the NAACP, And I'd let Fwyzee and Foo-May do my thinkin' for me, If I could be a nigger for a day, Now I wouldn't wanna work, 'cause I wouldn't have to, Guess what I'd do next, well, you shouldn't need a clue, I'd go down to social services like all the brothers do, If I could be a nigger for a day, Oh if I could be a nigger for a day, I could live my life the free and easy way, I'd take from Uncle Sam and let the white man pay, If I could be a nigger for a day, Now when I'd sit down in that office, the office of welfare, I'd get food stamps, a medical card, and free child care, For all the illegitimate kids that I've got scattered everywhere, If I could be a nigger for a day, Now I'd have plenty of time, so I'd hang out with a mob, And I'd consume a little dope, or find a good place to rob, Now that would make me self-employed and I wouldn't even need a job, If I could be a nigger for a day, Oh if I could be a nigger for a day, I could live my life the free and easy way, I'd take from Uncle Sam and let the white man pay, If I could be a nigger for a day, And when I'd need somethin' I'd steal it so I wouldn't have to buy it, And if the cops would apprehend me you know that I'd deny it, And I could call Jesse or Al, they'd come and start a riot, If I could be a nigger for a day, But I can't be a nigger, and I don't really have to be, 'Cause coon, let me tell ya, it's plain and simple to see, That if I was you for a day then I'd be taking from me, So I don't wanna be a nigger for a day, I don't wanna be a nigger for a day, I don't wanna live the free and easy way, I'll struggle long, and struggle hard, but that's okay, 'Cause I'll never be a nigger for a day, No, I'll never be a nigger for a day

Artist: Johnny Rebel Title: In Coontown

If you smell somethin' funny when you walk down the street, You're in Coontown, You look and see garbage all over the street, You're in Coontown, Up and down the street there ain't nothin' but trash, Nigger girls tryin' to get a nigger boy's cash, Then you even see a spook with a big moustache, In Coontown, On the corner there's a nigger with a drink in his hand, That's Coontown, Tryin' to bum a nickel from whoever he can, In Coontown, And don't be suprised, you can make a bet, If you go back tomorrow he'll be there yet, He's tryin' to get drunk, and drunk he's gonna get, In Coontown, Niggers never bother 'bout goin' to work, In Coontown, They seem to think that work is for jerks, Outta Coontown, He don't do nothin' but sleep and doze, He don't wake until his eyes are tired of bein' closed, It's half a day's work for him to scratch his toes, In Coontown, It amazes me to see the way they live, In Coontown, They do all the takin' while we have to give, To Coontown, The white man worries the nigger don't care, 'Cause at the end of the month his check'll be there, Every nigger earns his livin' off the old welfare, In Coontown, Every nigger earns his livin' off the old welfare, In Coontown,

Artist: Johnny Rebel Title: It's The Attitude, Stupid

It ain't the big lips, It ain't the nose, It ain't your kinky hair, Or your clothes, It ain't your dreadlocks hangin', Or the way that you walk, It ain't the smell, It ain't the black, White people might probably, Learn a little bit better, But if you wanna know nigger, I'll tell ya what pisses us off, It's the attitude stupid, It's what's inside your brain, It's the attitude stupid, Ain't you ever gonna change, You keep thinkin' everything, Is black and white, Don't you know the difference, 'Tween wrong and right, It's the attitude stupid, We don't owe you a thing, It ain't your looks, And that's a fact, It ain't your ass, Ridin' up on your back, It ain't the way you say "argh-a", When you spell out a word, It's the things you say, And you do, Thinkin' white people, Still owe somethin' to you, Well listen to me nigger, This is somethin' you've never heard, It's the attitude stupid, It's what's inside your brain, It's the attitude stupid, Ain't you ever gonna change, You keep thinkin' everything, Is black and white, Don't you know the difference, 'Tween wrong and right, It's the attitude stupid, We don't owe you a thing, It's the attitude stupid, We don't owe you a thing

Artist: Johnny Rebel Title: Jesse Showed Up

Grocery store, Three niggers inside, The store ain't open, It's the middle of the night, Alarm goes off, The cops show up, They caught 'em red-handed, Put 'em in handcuffs, And then..., And then..., And then..., And then..., Jesse showed up, Jesse showed up, Wouldn't you know it, Jesse Jackson showed up, He had a bunch of porch monkeys, Praisin' his name, While he preached and he hollered, And he passed the blame, And said:, "Them niggers wasn't stealin' when they got caught. They was only doin' some shoppin' just like I thought. White man should never store there it's all his fault.", And they all got excited, When Jesse showed up, Election time, A new president, Al Gore never wins, So the niggers all went, The checks were counted, And counted again, They counted three times, But they still didn't win, And then..., And then..., And then..., And then..., Jesse showed up, Jesse showed up, Wouldn't you know it, Jesse Jackson showed up, He had a bunch of porch monkeys, Praisin' his name, While he preached and he hollered, And he passed the blame, And said:, "Listen you niggers I think we've been had. If we lose this election it's gonna be bad. And it's the white man's fault 'cause he stole all the checks.", And they all got excited, When Jesse showed up, Something's gonna happen, One of these days, If Jesse Jackson don't start, Mendin' his ways, He's gonna keep stirrin', The niggers up, 'Til the white man says, Enough is enough, And then..., And then..., And then..., And then..., The Klan'll show up, The Klan'll show up, All dressed in white, They're gonna show up, He's gonna be sorry, For struttin' his stuff, Hell's gonna break loose, When the Klan shows up, And they'll say:, "Jackson, what do you mean causin' all this trouble? It's up yours nigger, we gonna pop your bubble. We gonna break it off in ya, and stick it in double.", So just watch yourself Jesse, When this Klan shows up, You'd better watch yourself Jesse, When the Klan shows up,

Artist: Johnny Rebel Title: Kajun Ku Klux Klan

You niggers listen now, I'm gonna tell you how, To keep from getting torchered, When the Klan is on the prowl, Stay at home at night, And lock your doors up tight, Don't go outside or else you'll find, Those crosses-a-burnin' bright, Now I know you won't believe me, So I'm gonna tell you why, The Kajun Ku Klux Klan, Is gonna get you by and by, I'm warnin' you that when I'm through, You're gonna change your tune, This story's 'bout a nigger, His name was Levi Coon, He walked into a cafe, He thought he'd get a bite, He thought that they would serve him, Since they passed the civil rights, The waitress told him no, And that he'd better go, He said, "No ma'am, my Uncle Sam say, I don't have to go.", So he sat there in that cafe, Bein' stubborn as a mule, No matter what she said, He wouldn't get up off that stool, He sat there like a jackass, Said, "I'm gonna demonstarate., I came in here to eat, and, I ain't leavin' 'til I've ate.", The waitess had enough, She said, "I'll call your bluff.", She said, "If we can't treat you right, We'll have to treat you rough.", The phone was in her hands, She gave him one more chance, He wouldn't go, and so she called, The Kajun Ku Klux Klan, When he saw them cajuns comin', Levi knew it was too late, His eyes popped out his head, And his kinky hair got straight, He said, "Oh lousy white folks, I didn't mean a thing., Why did I have to listen, To that demonstrator King?", Now niggers understand, They tied up both his hands, He was at the mercy of, The Kajun Ku Klux Klan, I knew just what they'd do, Levi knew it too, I knew what kind of torture, They would put that nigger through, Now the moral of this story, As plain as it can be, Niggers mind your business, And let us white folks be, You'd better heed my warnin', And try to understand, Don't you demonstrate, Around the Kajun Ku Klux Klan

Artist: Johnny Rebel Title: Keep Workin' Big Jim

Keep a-workin' Big Jim, You'll prove it by and by, Keep a-workin' Big Jim, Find out the reasons why, A few years ago,in the year of '63, A President was shot-he died, And the man accused of killing him was shot to death, Before he was even tried, Then the Warren Commission,made up of what should be, The greatest lawmen of our time, Wrapped up the case,and said the assassination, Was the work of one warped mind, Keep a-workin' Big Jim, We hope you prove they're wrong, Keep a-workin' Big Jim, We're with you all day long, In a shorter time than it takes to solve a simple theft case, They said they solved the crime of our time, Oswald was the man,they said he worked it all alone, No one conspired with him to plan the crime, Big Jim Garrison,a lawyer from New Orleans, Didn't think the case was really solved, In his investigation,he's come up with a lot, He's gonna prove somebody else was involved, Keep a-workin' Big Jim, We wanna know the truth, Keep a-workin' Big Jim, The nation's watching you, Now wouldn't it be something if the Warren Report, Turned out to be just a lie, And one big man who was working all alone, Found the answers and the reasons why, And the so-called leaders of the government, Who won't try to help him win the fight, It seems they're more afraid that Jim will prove them wrong, Instead of hoping Big Jim's right,
Johnny Rebel - Lookin' For A Handout

Have you ever been just drivin' around, and ended up in the colored part of town? And you see an old-time wanderoo Jack with a great big T.V. antenna. Then you look out in the back, you can always see a Cadillac. And inside there's about fifteen niggers eatin' one can of beans for dinner. Now ain't that just like a nigger, so the story goes. They just like to live that-a-way, you know? Why, they haven't got one spark of ambition in their minds. They're hard-headed as a dad-blamed mule, and the only reason they go to school is so they can learn to sign their names when they become members of the welfare line., They're lookin' for a handout, To get somethin' free, Lookin' for a handout, From you and me, And with the consent, Of the president, They're gonna get their way, They're gonna get their way, Now I ain't aimin' to run anybody down, but I know how they operate down in Coontown. Why, they wouldn't hit a lick at a snake if it was curly enough to strike. But when their leader says, "Hey nigger, demonstrate", why, them jigaboos don't even hesitate. 'Cause as a nigger says, "Uhh, hmm, uhh...them's the kind of happenin' we likes.", They're lookin' for a handout, To get somethin' free, Lookin' for a handout, From you and me, And with the consent, Of the president, They're gonna get their way, They're gonna get their way, But one day there's gonna be a stop to all this givin', and darkies you gonna have to account for your livin'. You won't be able to hold your black hand out and wait for somebody to give you your daily bread. 'Cause the master said you'll have to earn your salvation, so you'd better start lookin' over the situation, and stop causin' all this trouble, and be a good 'ol nigger instead., And quit lookin' for a handout, To get somethin' fee, Quit lookin' for a handout, From Uncle Sam and me, Don't try to integrate, Be glad to segregate, It's better that way, Much better that way, It's better that way-ay-ay-ay-a-a-ay-a-a-ay-ay
Johnny Rebel - Move Them Niggers North

Move them niggers north, Move them niggers north, If they don't like our southern ways then, Move them niggers north, Our South has been invaded by, Trashy-lookin' crew, They'll change our ways and take our schools, Away from me and you, It's time for us to make a stand, To keep our southern ways, We've got to give a helping hand, It's unity that pays, Move them niggers north, Move them niggers north, If they don't like our southern ways then, Move them niggers north, They're trying to start trouble, By mixing up the races, They feel a whole lot better off, By staying in their places, I like our South, man, the way it is, I'm sure that you do too, Oh, Martin Luther thinks it's his, I know he's wrong, don't you?, Move them niggers north, Move them niggers north, If they don't like our southern ways then, Move them niggers north, It's time for us to make a stand, To keep our southern ways, We've got to give a helping hand, It's unity that pays, Move them niggers north, Move them niggers north, If they don't like our southern ways then, Move them niggers north, (Move them niggers north), (Move them niggers north), (Move them niggers north)
Johnny Rebel - Nigger, Nigger

Nigger, nigger, Tellin' lies, Black face and bloodshot eyes, Crooked toes and crooked nose, That's the way a nigger goes, (That's how he goes), They're marching for equality, They'll never be as good as me, We won't let them integrate, We must only segragate, (Keep 'em in their places), Nigger, nigger, Tellin' lies, Black face and bloodshot eyes, Crooked toes and crooked nose, That's the way a nigger goes, Oh, Martin Luther's got to go, That's one thing that we all know, We'll take him ridin' on a rail, And lock him in the county jail, Niggers want to change our ways, But taxes they won't ever pay, Monkey lips and kinky hair, Living off that old welfare, (Got their handout), They might as well give up the fight, No federal judge can make them white, The job is up to you and me, Let's beat the NAACP, (Move 'em north), Nigger, nigger, Tellin' lies, Black face and bloodshot eyes, Crooked toes and crooked nose, That's the way a nigger goes, That's the way a nigger goes, That's the way a nigger goes, That's the way a nigger goes,
Johnny Rebel - Nigger-In-Law

The other day I ran into an old friend, Joe was his name, So I said, "Joe, how ya been?", He said, "JR, you won't believe this, but things ain't worth a damn.", And I said, "Joe, what's the problem?', He said "JR, you wanna know my problem? Well, I'll tell ya my problem.", And he began his story, something like this:, All my life I've been single, I didn't wanna be tied down, But I finally did it, I finally got married, And the chants started goin' around, She was divorced and had three kids, They all had fair skin and blonde hair, But I didn't know their daddy was a nigger, And daddy just had to be there, Awwwww..., What do you do when, Everything's messed up, Stickin' down in your crawl, Other men lucky, All they have to aggitate 'em, Is a dog-gone, Mother-in-law, But this black hairy dude, Livin' down at my house, Beats all you ever saw, I'm the sole-bred winner, Of a wife and three, Bakin' ninnies, And a nigger-in-law, And he kept on-a-talkin', And I just kept on listenin', And he went on, something like this:, It all started last friday evenin', I got home from work, there he sat, Sittin' there loafin', restin' and-a-smokin', Man, he was ace of spades black, I didn't know just who he was then, But it wasn't too long 'til I did, He said, "Don't get uptight, I have visitin' rights., I came to see your wife and my kids.", Awwwww..., What do you do when, Everything's messed up, Stickin' down in your crawl, Other men lucky, All they have to aggitate 'em, Is a dog-gone, Mother-in-law, But this black hairy dude, Livin' down at my house, Beats all you ever saw, I'm the sole-bred winner, Of a wife and three, Bakin' ninnies, And a nigger-in-law, But he talked on, and I began to figure out, That Joe had found a solution, He said:, He was still there saturday evenin', Just-a-watchin' me mow the lawn, He watched the game on sunday and the soaps on monday, It's tuesday and he still wasn't gone, Suddenly I got me an idea, And I came up with a plan, I turned my nigger-loving wife and her nigger ex-husband, Over to the Ku Klux Klan, Hehe..., That's what you do, When everything's messed up, Stickin' down in your crawl, Never again will I, Ever say a word, About anybody's, Mother-in-law, That nigger ho'ed up, When the Klan showed up, It's the last thing he ever saw, Now I'm the ex-husband, Of a wife with three, Bakin' ninnies, And a nigger-in-law, I'm the proud ex-husband, Of a wife with three, Bakin' ninnies, And a nigger-in-law
Johnny Rebel - Niggers Suck!

Well I don't know why the sky is blue, And why the gums on a nigger well they're blue too, I don't pay attention to all that stuff, But I do know niggers suck, And I don't know why the world ain't flat, And why the nose on a nigger is flat like that, I don't pay attention to all that stuff, But I do know niggers suck, I don't know, I don't wanna know, Why a jigaboo's lips are thick, But I sure know that, A nigger ain't worth a lick, And I don't know, I don't wanna know, Why a nigger ain't got no pride, But I know them coons are never, No, they're never satisfied, Well I don't know why the rain comes down, I don't know why a nigger is black or brown, I don't pay attention to all that stuff, I do know niggers suck, Well I don't know why nigger stinks, I don't know why jigaboo's hair has kinks, I don't pay attention to all that stuff, I do know niggers suck, I don't know why night turns to day, And why a nigger won't work to earn his way, I don't pay attention to all that stuff, But I do know niggers suck, I don't know, I don't wanna know, Why a jigaboo's lips are thick, But I sure know that, A nigger ain't worth a lick, And I don't know, I don't wanna know, Why a nigger ain't got no pride, But I know them coons are never, No, they're never satisfied, I don't know why a nigger is kin to an ape, I don't know why spooks wanna integrate, I don't pay attention to all that stuff, But I do know niggers suck, I do know niggers suck, Hey, I do know niggers suck
Johnny Rebel - No Niggers In Our Schools
No we don't want niggers in our schools, We're not for immigration, Keep those niggers in their place, We'll have a better nation, Our southland got along just fine, Until those immigrators, Came down here sturring up a mess, With outside aggitators, They'll march, sit in and demonstrate, And try to take our schools, They want to change our southern way, With a brand new set of rules, No we don't want niggers in our schools, We're not for immigration, Keep those niggers in their place, We'll have a better nation, We must prove to martin luther, We stand for what is right, No court, or left-wing liberals, Can ever make him white, Form a solid line of white men, Conservatives we'll be, They'll never ever overcome, Our schools will still be free, No we don't want niggers in our schools, We're not for immigration, Keep those niggers in their place, We'll have a better nation, We must prove to martin luther, We stand for what is right, No court, or left-wing liberals, Can ever make him white, Form a solid line of white men, Conservatives we'll be, They'll never ever overcome, Our schools will still be free, No we don't want niggers in our schools, We're not for immigration, Keep those niggers in their place, We'll have a better nation
Johnny Rebel - Quit Your Bitchin' Nigger!

Quit your bitchin' nigger and just let things be, You're messin' up big time take it from me, Quit your bitchin' nigger or you'll get your due, 'Cause the Ku Klux Klan will come-a-callin' on you, For forty-somethin' years you've been raisin' all hell, And niggers that ain't enough, We're all gettin' mighty fed up with you, And all of your civil rights stuff, Don't you love this country, either you do or you don't, If you ain't happy, then what the hell do you want, Hey quit your bitchin' niggers and just let things be, You're messin' up big time take it from me, Quit your bitchin' nigger or you'll get your due, 'Cause the Ku Klux Klan will come-a-callin' on you, You got money and jobs and your equal rights, Given by the government, You got welfare, food stamps, a medical card, And sometimes a little free rent, You just keep begging, takin' everything we've got, Well damn you nigger, don't you think it's time to stop, So quit your bitchin' niggers and just let things be, You're messin' up big time take it from me, Quit your bitchin' nigger or you'll get your due, 'Cause the Ku Klux Klan will come-a-callin' on you, Lately you're yelling 'bout our rebel flag, Wantin' us to take it down, It represents our history and southern pride, And rebel blood on the grass, So go to hell nigger, I'm tellin' ya loud and clear, It ain't comin' down, the rebel flag is stayin' right here, Hey quit your bitchin' niggers and just let things be, You're messin' up big time take it from me, Quit your bitchin' nigger or you'll get your due, 'Cause the Ku Klux Klan will come-a-callin' on you, 'Cause the Ku Klux Klan will come-a-callin' on you
Johnny Rebel - Reparations

There you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, There you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me,, You say all your ancestors were slaves, And that's the reason that you ought to get paid, You want something for nothing, you monkeys are all the same, You're putting all of the blame on the whites, We violated your civil rights, But your civil rights proven is nothing but a shakedown game.,, So there you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, There you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me,, There ain't a slave still living today, So tell me why do you think we should pay?, For what we didn't do, and what didn't happen to you, You can always go back home, Where the monkeys and the baboons roam, And if you're ain't satisfied that's exactly what you ought to do.,, Hey there you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, There you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me,, We don't owe you a damn thing, Man, you gotta be out of your mind, So take your reparations, And stick them where the sun don't shine,, Hey there you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, And there you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me,, We don't owe you a damn thing, Hey, you gotta be out of your mind, So take your reparations, And stick them where the sun don't shine,, Hey there you go again talking about reparations, There you go again talking about something else free, There you go again talking about reparations, Well listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me, I said listen to me nigger, you ain't getting nothing from me
Johnny Rebel - Send 'Em All Back To Africa

We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, Where they belong, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, They oughta get the hell out of America, And leave the white man alone, They don't like this, they don't like that, They're never satisfied and that's a fact, They more we give, the more they take, The more we fix, the more they break, The country's in an awful mess, With a whole lotta civil unrest, I got one thing to suggest, They outta leave, and get gone, Gather up all the niggers, And go back home, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, Where they belong, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, They oughta get the hell out of America, And leave the white man alone, They want their way, it ain't no doubt, They just keep pushin', they never stop, They don't like the way things are done, They outta go back to where they come from, So white people I'm askin' you, Let's buy us a boat or two, And here's what we need to do, Help 'em pack, and be kind, Make sure we don't leave, One nigger behind, And send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, Where they belong, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, They oughta get the hell out of America, And leave the white man alone, Life in America would be so great, Without niggers here to demonstrate, 'Bout this, and that, and that, and this, And you, and me, and gettin' things free, Won't you listen to me?, Let's send 'em all back to Africa, Send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, Where they belong, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, We oughta send 'em all back to Africa, They oughta get the hell out of America, And leave the white man alone, They oughta get the hell out of America, And leave the white man alone
Johnny Rebel - Ship Those Niggers Back

Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, Gather all those equals up and herd them on the pier, America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, Twenty million ugly coons are ready on the pier, "Hey there man, I ain't gettin' in that boat, looks like that boat's leakin' to me, man," (whack!) "Ooooh yes, White Man, here I come!", America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, Boats are ready for the trip, we won't shed a tear, "You actin' like you don't love us nice colored folks any more," (whack!) "Ahhh! Ahhh, White Man brought us from Africa, your fault!", America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, Hand that chimp his ugly stick, hand that buck his spear, "Hold on there man, I've left my bottle of wine back there on the dock," (whack!) "Ahhh! Oww, man!", America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, Twenty million jigaboos, to Africa we'll steer, "How we gonna find Africa man, we ain't got no compass, how we gonna find that island, man," (whack!) "Ahhhh! Ahhhhhhhhh!", America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, There they go far out to sea, see them disappear, "Hello, hello back there on the dock, I believe this boat is leakin' man.", America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, Boats are leaking badly now, they sink, we've settled here, "Help! Help, we're sinking! Gggglllluggggg...", America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, No more nigger civil rights led by nigger queers, America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, Our homes, our schools, our city streets of niggers will be clear, America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ring that bell, shout for joy, white man's day is here, America will be all white, the land we love so dear, America's for whites, Africa's for blacks, Send those apes back to the trees, ship those niggers back, Ship those niggers back, Ship those niggers back

Johnny Rebel - Some Niggers Never Die (They Just Smell That Way)

The other day I took a fishin' trip, Just me and my boat, and no Banjo lip, Banjo was my guide, an old colored feller, He wasn't very dark, he was a high-steppin' yeller, So we launched my boat, and I cranked my motor, And up to my nose came a terrible odor, I looked around, tryin' to find somethin' dead, But it was Banjo with his arm up, scratchin' his head, Some niggers never die, They just smell that way, Now the more he'd scratch, the more he'd sweat, And I'm here to say he was-a-chokin' me to death, So we loaded up, I just couldn't go on, And I coughed and I gagged, all the way home, When I dropped him off, I was next to dine, My nose was-a-runnin, and my eyes were-a-cryin', The smell scorched the hair right out of my nose, When I got home I had to burn all my clothes, Some niggers never die, They just smell that way, I recooperated quick, I was thankful for that, I was only in bed for a week and a half, The very first day I was up on my feet, I went to the supermarket, down the street, I shopped all around, and I filled out my order, My groceries were bagged by a fat nigger porter, The air conditioner was broke and I was ferocious, 'Cause it was hot and that nigger was-a-sweatin' on my groceries, Some niggers never die, They just smell that way, The vegetables and greens I bought started wilting, My blood pressure rose, and that could've killed me, I was gonna smash him all over that place, But he raised up his arm, and I fell on my face, Now I'm here in the hospital and at the ceiling I stare, I coulda whipped that nigger, 'cept he used germ warfare, So from now on I'll carry a long, long stick, 'Cause if I can keep from the smell, then I'll have 'em licked, Some niggers never die, They just smell that way

Johnny Rebel - Stay Away From Dixie

Well lately niggers are runnin' their mouths, Sayin' they're gonna take over the South, Jigaboo-here's to you, If you can, try it man, 'Cause Dixieland will never be free, To a nigger and the NAACP, Stay away, stay away, Stay away, from Dixieland, 'Cause we're proud of our Dixie, Hooray, hooray, We'll fight again this time we'll win, We've lived, we'll die in Dixie, Stay away, stay away, You don't belong in Dixie, Stay away, stay away, You don't belong in Dixie, In the Civil War a lot of men died, That's not enough, they ain't satisfied, They integrate, demonstarate, Shout and sing, for Mr. King, 'Cause Mr. King is-a-gonna lose out, When the northern states unite with the South, Watch the fun, when it's done, 'Cause they'll run, from Dixieland, 'Cause we're proud of our Dixie, Hooray, hooray, We'll fight again this time we'll win, We've lived, we'll die in Dixie, Stay away, stay away, You don't belong in Dixie, Stay away, stay away, You don't belong in Dixie, They've yelled "black power" in Alabama, Even demonstratin' in Louisiana, What a shame, they're to blame, 'Cause they came, to Dixieland, Up in the North big trouble they've brewed, In Chicago town and Cicero too, Let's unite, Yankeeland, Come on fight, with Dixieland, 'Cause we're proud of our Dixie, Hooray, hooray, We'll fight again this time we'll win, We've lived, we'll die in Dixie, Stay away, stay away, You don't belong in Dixie, Stay away, stay away, You don't belong in Dixie

Johnny Rebel - Still Lookin' For A Handout

Not so long ago I wrote a little song and much to my suprise before very long, Lookin' For A Handout was sittin' on top of the segregation hit parade. So the nigger population keeps gettin' bigger and since I got my first break by singin' about niggers, I'll just sing two or three more verses and see if I can double up on the friends I've made. Now we've all heard of the NAACP. They say they're gonna make all them niggers free. What they mean is they're lookin' for someone to earn it, bring it in their house, put it on the table, and feed 'em. 'Cause their idea of freedom ain't bein' free. It seems they're more interested in gettin' it free. And me and my family and every other white man and his family could go for that kind of freedom., Still lookin' for a handout, Things are still the same, Still lookin' for a handout, Not a thing has changed, While they're on welfare, They haven't got a care, 'Cause they like it that way, They like it that way, My mother used to say, "Son, a livin' comes hard, and you ain't gonna make it by sittin' in the yard. You just can't sit around like a nigger, you had to get up off and hustled yourself a job." And after all these years I find this true, and I sit and wonder like most white men do. Who in the world is feedin' them jungle bunnies while they're demonstratin', causin' riots, and formin' mobs?, Still lookin' for a handout, Things are still the same, Still lookin' for a handout, Not a thing has changed, While they're on welfare, They haven't got a care, They like it that way, They like it that way, Now my suggestion to their problem of bein' free is goin' back to Africa and be cannibals like they used to be. And they can spend the rest of their lives eatin' each other, throwin' coconuts, and swingin' from a tree. Or they can stay here and be our friends, and still be free like they've always been. And start earnin' their own way of life, and stop dependin' on you and me, Still lookin' for a handout, Things are still the same, Still lookin' for a handout, They outta be ashamed, But like I said before, They keep-a-wantin' more, They like it that way, They like it that way, They like it that way-ay-ay-ay-a-a-ay-a-a-ay-ay

Johnny Rebel - Who Likes A Nigger

L.B.J. was a-flyin' one morn', Over south Louisiana...feeling forlorn, When he looks down below, and what does he see?, Two cajuns pullin' a nigger on ski's!, So he lands, and says, "Thanks for helping your black brother!", And them two cajuns just looked at each other, And said, "He might be smart, but I'll tell you something...", "He don't know a thing about alligator huntin'!", O-wop-bop-bam-bam, Who likes a nigger?, o-wop-bop-bam-bam (CHORUS), Who likes a nigger?, o-wop-bop-bam-bam, Who likes a nigger?, And the hatin', everybody, is a-gettin' much bigger, Rich man travelin' down thru the South, Stopped in Mississippi to get a tooth pulled out, When he paid the doctor the charges due, He said "My nigger chauffer's got a bad tooth, too", "Well, I'll pull it...", said the doc, "but you'd better not holler!, Cause I'll have to charge you $200.00, Cause here in Mississippi he can't open his mouth, We'll have to go thru his bottom, to get the thing out!", Chorus, There ain't much difference 'tween a nigger and a donkey, 'Bout as much between an ape and a monkey, Ones a little bigger, but you gotta agree, There's not very much more that you can see., But a mule earns his livin' by the sweat of his neck, While a nigger sits down and draws a gov't check, The nigger should be smarter, as a general rule, But in a spelling contest, I'd pick the mule!

New Music? Way too much already!! (1)

telomerewhythere (1493937) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295413)

We don't need new music. Get rid of these!

Re:New Music? Way too much already!! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295421)

volume controls are available in the prefernces menu (ctrl + p)

Re:New Music? Way too much already!! (-1, Offtopic)

telomerewhythere (1493937) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295497)

*whoosh*

Re:New Music? Way too much already!! (1)

telomerewhythere (1493937) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295629)

I was actually celebrating addition of new music. I also liked old stuff. That's what i get for trying to be funny.

Re:New Music? Way too much already!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295635)

Let it go. Geez louise!

Re:New Music? Way too much already!! (0, Offtopic)

sympathy (1492055) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295707)

wish i had some mod points so i could 5 this

Re:New Music? Way too much already!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295849)

I wish I had some mod points so I could -1 offtopic this

Re:New Music? Way too much already!! (0)

freedumb2000 (966222) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295883)

Do you really want to this thread to go on ad infinitum?

Re:New Music? Way too much already!! (0)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296523)

Is that a trick question?

Re:New Music? Way too much already!! (0)

freedumb2000 (966222) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296585)

Do you want it to be?

Re:New Music? Way too much already!! (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 5 years ago | (#27300893)

Do polar bears shit in igloos?

Re:New Music? Way too much already!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27301385)

Does the pope shit in the woods?

Re:New Music? Way too much already!! (1)

mail2345 (1201389) | more than 5 years ago | (#27301875)

Yes.

After digesting the chewy center.

Source (3, Interesting)

Saija (1114681) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295431)

i just downloaded the source code and compile it in my ubuntu box, seems good and shiny and the option to download addons in the gui is great

Offtopic (0, Offtopic)

Meneth (872868) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295515)

I just love the icon for 'PC Games'. That lead-heavy slab of joystick that is the Microsoft Force Feedback Sidewinder has no equal. :)

Re:Offtopic (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295555)

The Logitech Wingman series of joysticks were much, much better. Gravis used to make joysticks that were better than anything Microsoft has ever made.

Ontopic: All open source games suck. I have played many of them and they are all horrible. I suspect that this is only "news" because of the game's license and not because the game is even remotely good.

Re:Offtopic (1)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295647)

I suspect that this is only "news" because of the game's license and not because the game is even remotely good.

It's news because it's something a substantial chunk of slashdotters are likely to be interested in reading about.

Ontopic: All open source games suck. I have played many of them and they are all horrible.

That's a personal judgment of likes and dislikes. It might be the case that most people will agree, but I conjecture that there's very little you can say which is objective (rather than merely consensual) and supports a claim that a game sucks.

(On topic) Actually, I really like it (1)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295703)

Actually, as such things go, Wesnoth is probably the only open-source game I would pay real money (i.e. more than about $5) for, even if it were proprietary. It's fun, challenging, addicting, and much easier for me to play casually than chess (which fills roughly the same niche, though one advantage of Wesnoth is that I can play a team game with friends against another team online). It is certainly not what some people would call a great video game - it doesn't have Crysis-level shiny graphics, World of Warcraft-like immersive gameplay, Halo-like adrenaline-driven twitch thrills, or the superb mix of strategic/tactical skill demand of StarCraft (to name a few games that are well-known for their respective areas of superiority). However, it is fun to play, has a nice set of campaigns (which sound like they've gotten even better), and you can connect to the multiplayer server, find a game, play it and have a good time, and be done in half an hour (easily, if the map isn't huge) which is one of the traditional scourges of turn-based games; many take too damn long.

Give it a shot. It's free, after all - you can even tweak it if you think you can make it better.

Some FOSS games suck; this one is great (1)

chris-chittleborough (771209) | more than 5 years ago | (#27299947)

Given the huge number of Free/Open-Source games out there, it's natural that many of them suck. (And that's not counting the ones that were never finished.) It's also natural that commercial games win on immersive 3D graphics and other things that require big development teams. But there are some FOSS games that are absolutely terrific, and Wesnoth is one of them.

Many of the good things about Wesnoth are fairly obvious: quality music, good graphics, good in-game tutorials etc. Others are not so obvious: extensive playtesting, carefully tweaked scenarios. And one design choice that may look strange to modern console gamers turns out to be extremely clever: the hexagonal map and the lack of long-range attacks makes it relatively easy to write a superb AI.

Wesnoth has another unusual accomplishment: narrativist elements and hex maps in the same game.

Re:Some FOSS games suck; this one is great (1)

superbus1929 (1069292) | more than 5 years ago | (#27302525)

It's funny because there's a game called Elven Legacy that's coming out soon; I previewed the Russian build of it, and it's nothing more than Battle of Wesnoth with better graphics, a shitty story, less options, and worse gameplay. It aped the hexagonal gameplay almost exactly, but made it less intuitive.

It's going to likely cost $30. I have Wesnoth on both Linux and Windows.

Re:Offtopic (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296701)

Actually, troll, you are wrong. Wesnoth & Frozen Bubble are two of the all time greats & I'd put them beside any similarly themed closed source game in a "taste-test"

Re:Offtopic (1)

neomunk (913773) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296995)

I'd add lbreakout2 to that list as well. I've been a fan of breakout/arkanoid type games since I was a kid, and lbreakout2 has many fun levels, interesting block types, fun powerups and multiplayer capability.

FreedroidRPG, while not what I would call "done" is coming along rather nicely, and will make a nice Diablo-type game when (if) it's finished up.

Re:Offtopic (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 5 years ago | (#27301957)

Oddly enough, I was thinking about that one too, just couldn't remember the name. I was setting up a Kubuntu installation for a co-worker's kid & got stuck on that game for like 2 hours testing it out.

Re:Offtopic (1)

not flu (1169973) | more than 5 years ago | (#27305579)

Frozen Bubble is a TERRIBLE clone of Puzzle Bobble. Play some of the arcade games it's trying to imitate some time and despair. I haven't played Wesnoth in so long that my opinion on it is hopefully no longer justified - but calling it one of the all time greats makes YOU sound like the troll, not the GP.

Re:Offtopic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27306475)

When I say open source games sucks, I don't mean just against commercial games, but also against freeware and shareware games too.

It's like the guys who don't release source code spend a lot more time making a fun and playable game instead of figuring that "someone else will get around to it". Or it might be because non open source games have much tighter focus and not a dozen developers trying to go in opposite directions, with questionable "artists" and "musicians".

Frozen Bubble is a COPY of a commercial game. Wesnoth seems to be little more than Warlords with a few additions. I'm sorry but if your two "all time greats" are those games, then the games you play suck.

Re:Offtopic (1)

JK_the_Slacker (1175625) | more than 5 years ago | (#27304301)

Ontopic: All open source games suck. I have played many of them and they are all horrible. I suspect that this is only "news" because of the game's license and not because the game is even remotely good.

As an open source game programmer, I take offense to this. Heavy offense. As an open source gamer, I disagree. Open source games are great because if you find a problem, you can dig and and fix it. You're free to improve them.

Contrast this with, for example, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance. I love the concept, I love the gameplay, but what I don't love is the huge number of typos in the dialog. I can't do a thing about it. On the other hand, I was able to do a complete overhaul of the dialog in FreedroidRPG, and I'm now a member of the dev team.

As far as your experience with open source games, I doubt you've played a significant portion of them, and I highly doubt you've kept up with the updates. Yes, updates, new developments that get pushed out for public consumption. You don't get that with many proprietary games. You might get 3 patches, and that's it. No new content, just bugfixes. *That* sucks.

Re:Offtopic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27305129)

Open source games are great because if you find a problem, you can dig and and fix it. You're free to improve them.

Okay. The problem with Wesnoth is that it is far, far too luck-based. I could theoretically remove the accuracy shenanigans but then how would I go about rebalancing everything? I'm not a game designer.

People being free to improve something != people being capable of improving something.

Wow, look at those screenshots (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295557)

looks pretty shitty to me.

Let me be the first to say... (5, Interesting)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295585)

Let me be the first to say that I for one welcome our weak, slow or dim goblin overlords.

It's interesting that you can log in to the official multiplayer server with your forum credentials. A future possibility might be a ranking system, and approximately even matches; that's one feature of Warcraft III that I like quite a bit.

We always say that the one thing holding back Open Source games is the lack of man-hours devoted to all the artwork. Let me quote http://www.wesnoth.org/start/1.6/ [wesnoth.org] a little:

  • Many mainline campaigns have improved storyline prose and new cutscenes or epilogs.
  • More campaigns now include references to events in the overall history, adding depth and richness to the narration.
  • Our composers have added five new original background tracks: [...]
  • The game graphics have been improved with a whole new range of unit portraits. Many more units have full animations and team coloring.
  • Forests get more variety with graphics for spring/summer, fall and winter deciduous forest terrains.

How impressive that really is... well, I guess the proof is in the pudding. But wesnoth has people working on things other than code.

I'm looking forward to playing this when I have the time :)

Re:Let me be the first to say... (2, Interesting)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295665)

Ranking system? I'd love to see this. I've gotten the occasional badly outmatched game (in either direction) online, although most of the time it's been good games all around. An experience system like Battle.Net would be fairly cool, although I wonder what it would take, implementation-wise.

One important question (relevant to the previous) is that you mention credentials; does the 1.6 multiplayer server require an actual login? I have an alias I typically use on the 1.4 server, but there's no actual authentication that I'm aware of. The last 1.5 build I tried flat-out didn't work in multiplayer, so I haven't been testing the new stuff.

Finally, kudos to the team; Wesnoth is a great game, good for casual play for a few minutes at a time (even on majorly underpowered hardware) or for a fun multiplayer match with friends over the 'net. I can't wait to try out the new version, and keep up the good work!

Re:Let me be the first to say... (1)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296239)

does the 1.6 multiplayer server require an actual login?

No, it doesn't.

(There was this link in my post, you see... :p)

Re:Let me be the first to say... (1)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#27301107)

Sorry for replaying to myself, but after digging through the (long, even if you only look at 1.5.0 to 1.6) changelog, I fount the relevant info:

You *can* now password-protect an account, which means you can use your forum account and nobody else can (or you can create a protected non-forum account). However, you can still log in quickly using an unclaimed user name with no password.

I'd go further than that (4, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295733)

It isn't just art, but basically non-programming related assets that OSS games tend to lack in. Not a surprise since they are usually done by coders. So not only does the artwork tend to be lacking, but sound, music, level design and so on. It seems that most of the people who are interested in working on that sort of thing, do it for a commercial engine. You'll find some pretty amazing community developed stuff for things like UT3.

Part of the reason is probably that the tools are better for those games. Take a look at the Unreal Editor or the Elder Scrolls Construction Kit some time. They are extremely solid tools, and have some good assets to start working with. Compare that to many OSS games which have NO tools. The designers would have to do everything on their own. Also it is easier to reach an audience that way. If you are a level designer and make a level for a popular game, you just release it and people can play. If you sign on with an OSS game, well first it has to actually reach a state people want to play, and then people have to discover it and try it.

I do think one thing that would help is for OSS games to have much better tools. Make it easy for people to add assets, build levels and so on. Maybe more people would be willing to do so.

Re:I'd go further than that (1)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295935)

I believe Battle for Wesnoth includes at least a few tools for things like level editing and such. There are a considerable number of fan-made campaigns available for download, for example.

That said, Wesnoth does have some very nice non-code work in it, even in 1.4 (can't wait to see the new stuff). The music, for example, is superior to that of many commercial games (in my opinion). There were lots fo graphics but they werent' always very good; an update to those will help people take the game seriously, which can help them think better of open source in general.

Re:I'd go further than that (1)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296395)

It isn't just art, but basically non-programming [...] So not only does the artwork tend to be lacking, but sound, music, level design and so on.

I want to clarify what I meant, in case you meant to expand on it.

By "art" and "artwork", I mean something fairly close to the wikipedia definition: "Art is the process or product of deliberately arranging elements in a way that appeals to the senses or emotions."

That covers at least

  • visual art: terrain tiles, units, UI widgets
  • audio art: music and sound effects (including choosing when to be silent)
  • narrative art: telling a good story and telling it well

I'm as of yet undecided whether I want to call level design an art; the things I evaluate tbs/rts/fps maps by are not aesthetic in nature---yeah it's cute that the terrain of Python (an iCCup starcraft map) looks like a snake, but more importantly than that is that the map makes for fair and fun play time.

Maybe that's the emotional appeal; I don't know. The other three points are much closer to broadly accepted art forms, FWIW.

You make an interesting point about quality of tools. I don't know much about that, but you've earned your plus-mods.

Re:I'd go further than that (2, Interesting)

lordtoran (1063300) | more than 5 years ago | (#27300385)

I find it amusing that many commercial games suffer from the opposite problem: Millions are thrown into state of the art content, but the gameplay is awkward or unbalanced, or the game crashes often.

Dwarf Fortress (2, Informative)

Bragador (1036480) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298545)

This is true. The thing that came to my mind when I read your post was Dwarf Fortress. The whole thing is a coding project. People play it for the game itself but the graphics are ASCII and there is no sound.

You can add some packages to get graphics like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Graphic.jpg [wikipedia.org] but it's really old school.

If there were artists ready to work long hours on the project, the game could get this http://spriteattack.cator.de//df/show/ [cator.de] . A bit childish but still much better than ASCII.

Re:I'd go further than that (1)

waveclaw (43274) | more than 5 years ago | (#27303349)

They [wikiquote.org] say that one of the benefits, if not an outright goal [opensuse.org] , of some Linux distributions is to be a great platform to develop software on.

At one time Linux looked downright competitive as a platform (if certainly not market,) so what happended since 2002 [linux.com] ?

I do think one thing that would help is for OSS games to have much better tools. Make it easy for people to add assets, build levels and so on. Maybe more people would be willing to do so.

Well, games are not just software. The software is simply there to make the game go.

Perhaps the reason that there are so few [happypenguin.org] (or in some opinions no [slashdot.org] ) good games on Linux is that for developing games, Linux sucks?

Perhaps it is time to admit that OpenGL [virtualdub.org] is a not the only kid on the block [slashdot.org] and start providing another popular API [wikipedia.org] that other developers want to use [beyond3d.com] ?

Perhaps it is time to stop throwing away all that boatload of artwork with each release [linux.com] and start saving anything under a usable license [creativecommons.com] to an appropriate gathering spot [art4linux.org] ?

Perhaps it is time to put down that cumulative-xml2pd-custom-package-colored-pretty-printer patch and answer some basic questions [braid-game.com] in such a way that new people don't hate us [xkcd.com] ?

What happened [upgrade-cepis.com] to those Open Source game engines [wikipedia.org] that were going to let you MOD your way for WoW 2.0? Perhaps they are still there, waiting for content.

Perhaps what Linux Gaming needs is a little less CompSci and a little more [linux.conf.au] Bachelors of Arts [brajeshwar.com] ?

Re:I'd go further than that (1)

walshy007 (906710) | more than 5 years ago | (#27306895)

Perhaps it is time to admit that OpenGL [virtualdub.org] is a not the only kid on the block [slashdot.org] and start providing another popular API [wikipedia.org] that other developers want to use [beyond3d.com]?

I'm unsure as to whether your supporting opengl or bagging it, as all of the links actually say opengl is in many ways a superior standard, except the last one.

as for supporting directx in linux, except via wine wrapper it would be a cold day in hell before that happens, most likely.

Re:Let me be the first to say... (1)

mcfatboy93 (1363705) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296289)

Many mainline campaigns have improved storyline prose and new cutscenes or epilogs.

wait. does this mean that i have to play my campaigns again because now i have missed some cool new cinimatic or is it the same stuff just a diffrent window?

Re:Let me be the first to say... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296321)

proof is in the pudding.

Arrrgggggggg

The proof of the pudding, is in the eating!

Re:Let me be the first to say... (1)

Facetious (710885) | more than 5 years ago | (#27299351)

The proof of the pudding is in the derivation. Then again, I was a math major.

Re:Let me be the first to say... (1)

cthulu_mt (1124113) | more than 5 years ago | (#27300873)

The second derivative of pudding is cake. Math is delicious.

Re:Let me be the first to say... (1)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 5 years ago | (#27310307)

But then again, the cake is a lie, and math is either inconsistent or, translating poorly from a danish hash collision, unhealthy.

server slow (5, Informative)

Eugenia Loli (250395) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295599)

Their server is extremely slow right now that Slashdot's linking it. Here's some binaries:
Win: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wesnoth/wesnoth-1.6a-win32.exe?download [sourceforge.net]
OSX: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wesnoth/Wesnoth_1.6a.dmg?download [sourceforge.net]
and the source code:
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wesnoth/wesnoth-1.6a.tar.bz2?download [sourceforge.net]
The Linux binaries page doesn't load right now to get more links, sorry.

Re:server slow (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295605)

fuck you!

Re:server slow (1)

lordtoran (1063300) | more than 5 years ago | (#27300401)

You misspelled "thank you".

Works on other platforms too (4, Informative)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295639)

Battle for Wesnoth is a great game, not least of all because it actually has fairly original gameplay (it's not a clone of some other game), but one thing I'd like to take the time tpo mention in particular is that it compliles not only across different operating systems, but also different architectures. PowerPC, for example - not many games still under development on that platform (console aside). It's even available for the Nokia N800/810 (ARM) and probably other PDA/SMartPhone devices - and being turn-based with a very simple interface (mildly more complex than chess) it's quite playable on them too.

It's one of the great advantages of open-source development: anybody can port it to whatever they want!

Re:Works on other platforms too (1)

daemonburrito (1026186) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295727)

[...] not least of all because it actually has fairly original gameplay (it's not a clone of some other game)

I like Wesnoth, and have wasted weeks at a time with it, but it was based on Master of Monsters [wikipedia.org] .

Also, check this out: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/WesnothPhilosophy [wesnoth.org]

Re:Works on other platforms too (1)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296109)

Ah, interesting. It does seem to have borrowed heavily - I'd never heard of the other game but from the Wikipedia article it sounds quite similar (and certainly predated Wesnoth). I'd be interested to play it, just for comparison.

Bleh. Clone or not, it's still a good game.

Re:Works on other platforms too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296407)

Reminds me more of the first PC game I ever owned:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_General

Re:Works on other platforms too (1)

Mad Merlin (837387) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296649)

It's also strongly based on Warsong [wikipedia.org] . It's been awhile since I've played Wesnoth, but one of the missions in the first campaign is very reminiscent of one of the missions in Warsong (the one with the basilisks, IIRC), I mentioned it in the IRC channel and the main developer confirmed that that wasn't an accident.

Re:Works on other platforms too (0)

Nevynxxx (932175) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295731)

You know this started out as a clone of Warcraft 2, don't you?

Re:Works on other platforms too (1)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295963)

I hav trouble believeing that; WC2 is a real-time game with no experience model, long-ranged attacks (all attacks in Wesnoth are against adjacent units), an economic base model (where resources are collected then spent to build things - in Wesnoth, your base is any castle your leader can get on, and your economy is essentially a matter of territory with no regard to the concept of harvesting).

You may be thinking of Glest, a completely different (from Wesnoth) game that has lots in common with WarCraft 2.

Re:Works on other platforms too (1)

BPPG (1181851) | more than 5 years ago | (#27301487)

And Warcraft 2 was a clone of Tetris!

Re:Works on other platforms too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295911)

It isn't original, it's just 20 years out of date.

You've killed their servers! (2, Informative)

Kamamura (235695) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295699)

An attention from Slashdot probably means more traffic they needed.

Down for the count (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295763)

An attention from Slashdot probably means more traffic they needed.

It's 5:30 AM Eastern Time.

The story has drawn a humongous 20 posts - and their server is Slashdotted?

What does that tell you about open-source gaming?

Re:Down for the count (1)

teh moges (875080) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295861)

Absolutely nothing. Server capability != game quality

Re:Down for the count (3, Insightful)

neomunk (913773) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296953)

That it's not backed by big corporations with money to throw at servers? Actually, I thought that that was almost implicit, but if you wanna be disappointed, go right ahead.

Or you could donate, possibly allowing them to upgrade their servers. Probably not as fun as making sweeping generalizations about projects YOU couldn't build, but hey, at least donating doesn't make you seem like an whiny douche to the rest of the room.

Re:Down for the count (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27300005)

That particular poster *is* a whiny douche - ignore him or her, and get on with life; you'll be happier, my friend.

Wesnoth is cool (5, Interesting)

JohnnyBGod (1088549) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295837)

Turn-based strategy really isn't my cup of tea, and Wesnoth is one of the two games I ever liked in the genre (the other being Civ 4). But what's really impressive is that it is the only open-source game I've ever played that actually looks like a finished product.

Re:Wesnoth is cool (4, Interesting)

zebslash (1107957) | more than 5 years ago | (#27295953)

You can add Freeciv to that list.

Re:Wesnoth is cool (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298987)

& Frozen Bubble

Re:Wesnoth is cool (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 5 years ago | (#27305097)

bash: syntax error near unexpected token `&'

Nope, haven't got that one. :(

Re:Wesnoth is cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27301845)

And OpenTTD. It rocks, seriously.

Re:Wesnoth is cool (1)

SL Baur (19540) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296403)

Turn-based strategy really isn't my cup of tea

They ARE my cup of tea, though I have a tendency to get bored with them after awhile. Turn-based strategy games are very cool while you're learning the game, but grinding turn-based games ... I'll give this one a shot and hope for the best.

A huge THANK YOU for all the people who did this.

Re:Wesnoth is cool (1)

cthulu_mt (1124113) | more than 5 years ago | (#27301211)

I have been looking for a new PC turn-based game for awhile. Can't wait to get home and try this.

ROFL! looks like a 1989 amiga game (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27295979)

the graphics are just lol!

open source games just don't work :D

Re:ROFL! looks like a 1989 amiga game (1)

Stalyn (662) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296031)

the graphics are just lol!

I guess you never played Dwarf Fortress... I wish DF's graphics were anywhere close to Wesnoth. (Doesn't stop me from playing it though.)

Re:ROFL! looks like a 1989 amiga game (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296295)

Actually, they're fine. I'm 25 and think they are high quality, moody and a bit nostalgic. But I guess I'm getting old.

Re:ROFL! looks like a 1989 amiga game (3, Insightful)

ledow (319597) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296385)

Ah, the age-old stupidity. Good graphics != good game. If you think so, you were probably brought up on XBoxes and Playstations, which means that dedicating an evening to one game is probably a struggle and that thinking or enjoying the game is second to "completing" it or showing it to your mates.

I still play Nethack, ffs, and the graphics on that were far too primitive when I started playing that years ago. Give me an emulator and crap graphics any day of the week - there's not many games that you can replay over and over again and still feel you got your moneys-worth every time you replay it.

Re:ROFL! looks like a 1989 amiga game (2, Funny)

skeeto (1138903) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298231)

I still play Nethack, ffs, and the graphics on that were far too primitive when I started playing that years ago.

"While NetHack's graphics may seem primitive by today's standards, today's gameplay seems primitive by NetHack standards."

(source [battlereports.com] )

Re:ROFL! looks like a 1989 amiga game (1)

fat_mike (71855) | more than 5 years ago | (#27305081)

Um, I cut my teeth on Infocom games and loved them. I then moved to Sierra and was marveled by the immersive graphical worlds they created. Kings Quest 1 (the original) still has better graphics than a lot of Linux games.

Re:ROFL! looks like a 1989 amiga game (1)

Miladinoski (1280850) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296397)

Huh?

Shining Force for one is a terribly old Sega Genesis game and it's still very playable and interesting.

The quality of the graphics isn't all to some people. Gameplay comes to mind more to some gamers than graphics.

Those can get this game, and others can play Crysis or whatever game that demands a lot of processing power just to display some "shining" effects ;)

Re:ROFL! looks like a 1989 amiga game (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 5 years ago | (#27302393)

And Shining Force is still selling today on the Wiiware channel. That's the exact same version as the Genesis game, same graphics, same everything. I expect it's made more money in the last two years than an average 'new' pc game.

Re:ROFL! looks like a 1989 amiga game (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296763)

I tried playing your game but couldn't find it.

Lovely game (1)

captainpanic (1173915) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297313)

I love this game. :)

I've played it for a while now, and yesterday my Ubuntu decided (by itself, merely asking me for a password) that it was time to upgrade Wesnoth :)
*clicks, waits, doubleclicks, smiles, plays all night*

I really enjoy the campaigns... and I have yet to try online gaming.

I only got over my Wesnoth addiction a few weeks ago, and now I've been thrown right back.
Does open source also mean that they'll continue to improve it? Because my social life really doesn't need that ;)

Needs an Easier mode (3, Interesting)

k8to (9046) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297703)

This game is well loved by strategy enthusiasts, but could be equally fun for strategy wimps if it was more accessible. The game is unabashedly designed to be a struggle, and is so even on Easy if you haven't mastered all the strategy elements, while if you have, Medium is probably wehere you should be playing.

Essentially it needs a better scale-down in difficulty level. The best way to achieve this will probably be via AI tweaking.

Re:Needs an Easier mode (2, Insightful)

Draek (916851) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298519)

Umm, which campaign have you played? because, from actual experience as well as reading the forums, it seems like most campaigns' levels of difficulty vary a lot from what they actually mean, and while for one "Easy" is "you only need a funcioning brain", for another its "We won't torture you *that* much". A good example of the latter, for instance, is "Under the Burning Suns", excellent storyline and very fun levels, but when they say its aimed at "Expert" players, they weren't kidding.

Good campaigns for newbies at the game, IMHO, are "A Tale of Two Brothers" and of course, the classic "Heir To The Throne". Or you could play skirmishes against a handicapped AI, which in case you didn't know (it did take me a while to find it) is under Multiplayer - Local Game, then switch "Local Player" to "Computer Player", at least on 1.4.5 (the version currently available on Ubuntu).

Re:Needs an Easier mode (1)

k8to (9046) | more than 5 years ago | (#27325003)

Heir to the Throne, the default campaign, is the one I've spent the most time with. It needs a less challenging mode.

At one point back in 0.9.x I hacked up the game to apply multipliers to the damage table to tilt it towards the human player, but it didn't feel right at all.

Re:Needs an Easier mode (1)

captainpanic (1173915) | more than 5 years ago | (#27299265)

I would actually agree with that.

Although some campaigns are indeed very simple, and give you a chance to screw up, I also found campaigns where even when playing "easy" some of the levels were quite hard, and unforgiving. It is not nice if within a campaign some levels are much, much harder than the rest. However, those were all in user made campaigns which I downloaded... and I guess that the game itself should not be blamed. The only suggestion I have to the guys making Wesnoth is to include a brief description of the add-on in the ingame add-on download thingy, so that I know if it's a hard/easy campaign. (btw, Compliments for having such a download feature in the first place).

And also, I agree that there should be an easier mode (but not a cheat mode - no need to be invincible - just make it really easy) - for those who just enjoy mindless clicking and winning. Call it the "wussy"-level, even easier than "easy".
After a day of hard work, sometimes I just want to click around and experience the whole thing without actually trying it more than twice (ok, three times at most). But I can understand if people disagree with such approach. After all, it also took me a lot of attempts before I got Mario to free the princess for the first time. :-)

Re:Needs an Easier mode (1)

argiedot (1035754) | more than 5 years ago | (#27301267)

Ha ha, so true. When I tried this a while back, I used to cheat at some parts so that I could advance. Save right when you attack, and load and you'd get to make your move again (even though the results happened). So in one turn you could kill someone. Of course, that was annoying. I will play this game again. It was rather fun otherwise.

I could never get into the game. (1)

phoenix.bam! (642635) | more than 5 years ago | (#27303667)

There was too much micromanaging tactics right off the bat to hold my interest. If I had three spears attacking one guy I'd end up getting slaughtered in two rounds after two of his buddies showed up because I didn't keep my archer in exactly the right hex.

Want to see an awesome portrait? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27304153)

elvis sylph [wesnoth.org]

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