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Alaska's Mt. Redoubt Has Erupted

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the mountain-go-boom dept.

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alaskana98 writes "Alaska's Mt. Redoubt volcano has erupted 3 times, with the first event starting at 10:38 PM Alaska standard time. The ash cloud is estimated to be higher than 50,000 feet. So far, only light ash fall is predicted for areas north of Anchorage."

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Tsarkon Reports Obama bent on bankrupting USA B (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296845)

Tsarkon Reports Obama bent on bankrupting USA

Barack is hell bent on bankrupting the USA once and for all ; read everything below and you might finallybegin to understand.

- Chairman Barack Hussein "The Teleprompter" Obama is deeply connected to corruption, Rahm Emanuel (Radical authoritarian Statist-Zionist whose father was part of the Murderous Civilian Killing Israeli Terrorist Organization known as IRGUN), Connected to Rod Blagojevich (Rahm inherited Rod's federal-congress seat), Connected to Ayers, a man who promotes the concept that civilian collateral damage is ok in a war against freedom, Preacher Jeremiah Wright, who is himself a black-elitist who wants all the people who largely "pay the freight" to suffer, 31 million on food stamps, more blacks are in prison and on food-stamps per capita than anyone else. The problem with Wright is simply this: the facts are "racist."
- Obama: Racist, AIPAC-Zionist, Corrupted and a Traitor and a Liar who can't even produce a valid birth certificate (which is not a certificate of live birth)
- Raytheon lobbyist in Pentagon
- Goldman Sachs insider second in command at Treasury.
- Cabinet has had several nominees and appointees with multiple tax fraud issues.
- The head of the IRS and the head of the Treasury, Geithner, is a Tax Cheat
- Lied about no lobbyists
- Lied about having a new degree of accountability and a SUNSHINE period of new laws, he has signed bills with little or no review at whitehouse.gov as promised.
- Appointed a second amendment violating Rich-pardoning treasonist Eric Holder as AG, the top cop of the USA, a man who helped a fugitive evade justice.
- Has not put a dime in for a single new nuclear power plant but wants to help bridges and roads to promote more driving.
- Obama, Blagojevich and Rahm Emanuel have a LOT to hide. They literally lived next to each other, Rahm had (until being Chairman Obama's Chief of staff) Blagojevich's old federal congressional seat. Blagojevich helped Chairman "The Teleprompter" Obama cheat his way to the Illinois senate by getting other candidates thrown off the ballot in Illinois. Why do you think Blagojevich was so mad? Obama DID owe him, big time. Rahm and Obama are using Blagojevich and trying to cut his head off to keep him away.
- Tony Rezko, Iraqi Arms Dealer Nahdmi Auchi, and of course Aiham Alsammarae. Chairman "The Teleprompter" Hussein Obama is so corrupted its a joke.
- Fools and "useful idiots" twist the pie charts by leaving welfare, workfare, interest on debt, social security, Medicare and Medicaid out and focusing only on non-whole "discretionary" pie charts.
2007 high level pie chart, Federal Budget, USA [wikimedia.org]
2009 Pie chart, detailed, Federal Budget, USA [wikimedia.org]
- Chairman Obama is drastically increasing spending and creating more entitlements that will make the US less competitive (especially against China, India, East Europe/Russia). This will be a huge disaster and change you can believe in will strap you and your grandkids with more debt. No taxation without representation? Obama is spending money for the next two-three generations and they can't even vote yet, or even have been born.
- An alternative to the dollar and a forex and a reserve currency came up at the last G20 meeting. The world will not take faith in Obama's liar-socialist spending and welfare state, why should the taxpayers (plebian citizen-slaves of a police state).
- The spending going on now vastly eclipses all previous spending. In fact, the massive trillion plus debts is a thing of the 80's onwards. Congress signs the checks, remember that Year after year, as egregious as the pentagon spending is, that the social spending is completely a waste of money and it is unfunded over the long term. Eisenhower built the interstates, the US could build a new power infrastructure with this money but instead is being pissed into creating more of an entitlement system that is STILL unfunded, and without massive poll-taxes and far more aggressive progressive taxes, could NEVER be funded.
- The budgeting being done today were recently reported by a non-partisan auditing commission will lead to about 10 TRILLION in new debt over the next 10 years. Obama is going to double the national debt while doing nothing to address the unfunded debt obligations of Social Security.
- Clinton appointed David Walker of the GAO, he quit, the unfunded debt obligations have rendered the USA insolvent according to accounting standards.
Taxpayers on the hook for $59 trillion [usatoday.com]
US Public Debt Unfunded Debt Obligations [wikipedia.org]
- Most of the world population gets NOTHING from their governments, or a very bare minimum or services that benefit only the upper echelons of society. However, the liar Chairman Obama says we need his universal "state-hospital" rationed health care to be competitive. Bull. China and India give nothing, and they are the biggest threat to the American worker. By forcing healthcare and higher taxes, Americans will be less competitive.
- If you think 60% tax rates end to end (income, accounts receivable tax, building permit tax, CDL tax, cigarette tax, corporate income tax, dog license tax, federal income tax, unemployment tax, gasoline tax, hunting license tax, fishing license tax, waterfowl stamp tax, inheritance tax, inventory tax, liquor tax, luxury tax, Medicare tax, city, school and county property tax (up 33 percent last 4 years), real estate tax, social security tax, road usage tax, toll road tax, state and city sales tax, recreational vehicle tax, excise tax, state franchise tax, state unemployment tax, telephone federal excise tax, telephone federal state and local surcharge tax, telephone minimum usage surcharge tax, telephone state and local tax, utility tax, vehicle license registration tax, capital gains tax, lease severance tax, oil and gas assessment tax, misc internet sales tax and many more taxes that I can't recall at the moment) will make the US competitive, along with compulsory programs to provide everyone with health care is going to make the US competitive in the age of India and China, you are a joke.
- As the US nationalizes (read: rations healthcare) to the least common denominator of affordability without regard to efficacy, people with money will simply look into medical tourism so those with money can go to medical parks in India and get real health care. Those who have lived in Canada or in the UK can tell you "free" healthcare is NOT a panacea. If you think this, you are again, a useful idiot. The NHS in the UK has given bad blood and Hepatitis and AIDS blood to people, and Jade Goody who just died was misdiagnosed twice resulting in her death (She was all cleared twice of cervical cancer which she just died of). The NHS in the UK is not able to be sued or held accountable. Neither will Chairman Obama's rationed health care service for America.
- Sorry to bust the socialist bubble-lie, but support of these types of policies will simply lower the standard of living in the USA, particularly for the middle class. At least at the end of the Eisenhower projects the USA got roads to show for the spending, and with this new spending, the USA could have built power plants that get the USA out of the middle east, but the age of government for the sake of government is upon us, and the useful idiots line up and believe empty promises.
The pentagon (and Bechtel, Kroll, Bluewater, Halliburton, etc) could get less than half of what they get today, but that will fix nothing fundamental in terms of government spending. It is simply not enough to make a difference when compared to the Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security entitlements.
See: YouTube - US Government Immorality Will Lead to Bankruptcy [youtube.com]
- If Obama thinks its ok to lie to 300 million people about being able to "take care of them" without even being honest about what that care would look like, then being an idiot and believing in Obama is for you.
- The US Government already have over 50% of the budget on Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security. Socialists: Good job on that one, its working great. Solution to the current near-collapse-due-to-over-spending: add more unfunded entitlements!
- You Socialist-liars can break my spirit and my financial back to force me to "need" a federal government that is turning this country into a police state and turn it into a quasi-socialist lie, but I will, I must put up a fight. I have kids to educate and feed, and the stuff you sell (which is failing to various degrees everywhere else as implemented) is simply forcing a culture of failure on a once great, libertarian free country.
- I will not be complacent with your "change," and there will be a point where civil war will become an option. See how hard you can push before you get it. How much more than half can the truly productive workers in this country afford to pay. Keep pushing to find out how to start a civil war.
- The socialist-lie of a plan will not work, its not fundable, it WILL destroy the currency to fund it, and its really as simple as this: if this insanity is funded by borrowing from the US's economic and military adversaries then Obama and his socialist cabal is NOT fit to administrate society. Rome fell. Kings who mis-manged their treasuries all fell. Every example of unhinged spending leads to the same result: systemic collapse.
- Obama and his sycophantic lunatics would want to have a civil war to get Chairman Obama's way and force the socialist-lie system on my already tax paying law abiding ass. And as far as "no new taxes" for those under 250k, its a lie, the tax is called inflation, which is set to begin just about now that the Chinese wont want the USA's worthless treasuries to fund the socialist-lie fantasy (one that COMMUNIST China doesn't even try and sell to its people!)
- Chairman Obama's numbers don't add up. There is a $59 trillion dollar hole (UFDO) in social security alone. AIG $150 billion here, TARP $350 billion there. $800 billion for a highly dubious stimulus package. Another one on the way. $59 trillion hole in the balance sheet IGNORED. China saying they aren't going to buy treasuries, Clinton clamoring to find buyers now. $3.6 trillion dollar budget, potential military action on Mexico, Iran still a "terrorist state" at the behest of the AIPAC, spending up, dollar about to fall, inflation over time since Breton Woods extremely easy to document, yet, the socialist-liars question when the numbers (the Federal Government numbers) simply don't add up to the point where if the US-GOV was a company it would be insolvent.
  -How dare the taxpayers question what Chairman Obama's drastic spending increases are going to do to the purchasing power of our savings because Chairman Obama wants to recklessly spend and try to maintain and American empire AND guarantee a standard of living, and Chairman Obama doesn't even want to build a single nuclear power plant to do it? Chairman Obama must be a complete and total lunatic moron.
- Obama is either a negligent idiot or an unhinged maniac with delusional fantasies. Meanwhile, Chainman Obama's tax dodging Treasury Secretary has 17 unfilled positions, the Treasury Dept. isn't even functioning at this point.
- "General welfare" in the constitution was, according to the man who wrote it, Madison, meant to be extremely limited in scope. The federal government per the constitution doesn't even have the enumerated POWER to deal with economic messes. A lot of these "POWERS" were created while there is a crisis to dupe the public into accepting an un-constitutional authoritarian regime as the government and to usurp authority over the people.
- The USA is a constitutional republic. A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting to eat a sheep. Also a constitutional republic isn't about using a barely-majority or a plurality to stuff your (un-fundable disastrous) crap down the disenfranchised other-half's throat.
- With Obama's authoritarian corrupted criminal (aiding and abetting a criminal in flight of prosecution, Rich case) Eric Holder in charge, we won't have our inalienable and enumerated rights to firearms much longer. For a constitutional law expert, Obama must have never read the federalist papers or he would simply hand himself as a traitor.
- The arbitrary expansion of "general welfare" is not only unconstitutional, it may very well lead to a serious conflict on the issue.
- Here is a debate on general welfare and how stuff like this came to pass, but was clearly no intended by the authors of the document of root law.
In Federalist No. 41, James Madison asked rhetorically: "For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power?" (In reference to the general welfare clause)
So strongly did the founders believe that "general welfare" wouldn't be expanded as written:
In Federalist No. 84, Alexander Hamilton indirectly confirmed Madison's point. (That the "general welfare" clause was "clearly" nota free pass for government)
Hamilton argued that a bill of rights, which many were clamoring for, would be not only unnecessary, but dangerous. Since the federal government was given only a few specific powers, there was no need to add prohibitions: it was implicitly prohibited by the listed powers. If a proposed law a relief act, for instance wasn't covered by any of these powers, it was unconstitutional.
"why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do? Why, for instance, should it be said, that the liberty of the press shall not be restrained when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed?"
Hamilton goes on to argue that making Amendments (e.g., enumerating Free speech, press and assembly) and enumerating the 'right' would have the following effect:
(A bill of rights) "would furnish, to men disposed to usurp, a plausible pretence for claiming that power that is, a power to regulate the press, short of actually shutting it down. "
"With respect to the words 'general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers (enumerated in the Constitution) connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." --James Madison [The US Supreme Court has found the meaning of "general welfare" in the Constitution to be much more elastic than did Mr. Madison. But as the "author of the Constitution," what does he know?]
James Madison, when asked if the "general welfare" clause was a grant of power, replied in 1792, in a letter to Henry Lee,

If not only the means but the objects are unlimited, the parchment [the Constitution] should be thrown into the fire at once.

"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government , and to provide new Guards for their future security. ...--The Declaration of Independence
- Wrong, monetizing failures causes more. Japan showed us this for decades. But hey, Chairman Obama thinks you can fix a problem DECADES in the making with a quick fixer-upper, he is screwed in the head.
- The complaints are with the Federal government (in general) since Breton Woods. The Federal Government and Obama's minions STILL didn't listen to David Walker, a Clinton appointee and former head of the GAO. This isn't about political parties anymore morons!
- Show me a single federal budget that was less than the previous. If this $3.6T budget goes, its never coming back barring systemic collapse.
- The United States Federal Government, The United States Federal Reserve, and the banks which were enabled to continue down reckless paths by a quasi government agency known as the Federal Reserve whose actions are not subject to congress and whose members are unelected. This situation is untenable and unconstitutional.
- Every inflationary road taken in history ends in collapse. Keynesian policies are widely regarded as no longer workable.
- Inflation is a tax: What ignorant tax and spenders don't take into account here is the relative percentages of people's wealth (both net and gross) and the costs of owning and maintaining houses, cars, standards of living.
- Inflation via deficit spending is going to make it such that you will be paying a lot more by percentage of your income to maintain a given standard of living. Obama's arguments are so poorly thought out and seek to blame "Republicans" for the mess, its really simply laughable - the needs cleanup now, not worsening.
- You can't spend your way out of a hole if the creditors (e.g. China) start telling the USA they won't buy. It is that simple. Now America starts to have to collateralize the debt with assets. The USA will be selling off chunks of American assets to back the new debt. One day, it may even be necessary to sell Alaska back to Russia because no one will take greenbacks to prop up a failing version of a modern Rome.
- Ah, here we go with the Matthew Lesko arguments. [lesko.com]
Interest rates were on the rise before the government stepped in with free money for everyone (the fine print of course indicate massive strings attached).
Other economies, for example, India, have the central rates set to far more reasonable/realistic rates (at the moment ~ 8+%), which is still tends to be too low, but shows that if you need someone else capital you need to pay a premium for it, and given that capital is in short supply, it would stand to reason that a premium must be charged for it.
The problem is the unrealistic growth rates of mature economies don't allow for profiting via growth projections (rather than simply earning money). So the government steps in, turns on the free money spigot, gets the interest rates for savings down in the 1-2% range while diluting the value of the whole currency in order to prop up dying companies that ran the business like a Madhoff Ponzi scheme.
- The Republicans aren't solely responsible for the crisis as Obama's minions would have you believe, congress is (no particular congress), the Executive of the US government (no particular one) and the US Federal Reserve System are all at fault.
- Fundamentally, the government is trying to fix the prices of various things to "make it all work." This pulling on the invisible hand is a fools venture. It was predicted long ago the housing collapse (and those, such as myself, in the know, wished while realizing the housing collapse coming that we were wrong for everyone's sake - but the truth is the truth) . It may be that the Austrian (von Mises) economists will ultimately be proven right.
- We are a nation of partially educated whiney grabby idiots, and we got the government that represents this. The Chinese, India and other up and coming nations will show no mercy for this arrogant abuse of our status as the world's forex reserves.
- War and asset sales will continue to be the only option for this scheme until it is corrected at the core. And to say that the government has already averted a depression by doing what they did (most of the monies injected wont be "felt" for some time), is just arrogance and stupidity. Price fixing prolonged the Great Depression. Price-fixing (or attempting to) houses will do the same, but probably worse.
- Obama's minions simply don't care if the US is bankrupted and rendered insolvent, they just want a say in how its done, presumably to "feel safe." Rather selfish.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." AND "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (Possibly Richard Jackson)

- Everyone better realize that inflation will pay a major role in funding un-fundable fantasies, wiping the savers and the middle class out. The problem is, that other countries are growing tired of making our Federal Reserve notes worth something by buying our debt as treasuries. Obama's minions talk about spending, but in order to "get what YOU want" you will sell debt to potential economic and military adversaries? Real bright. What's really sad is that despite David Walker being an authority on these issues, people refuse to even watch him and listen to what he is saying.
- On the success of Canada and its form of Socialism: A huge country like Canada with massive amounts of uranium and tar sands and natural resources and a huge land mass with a scant 30 million people is an order of magnitude less of a problem to manage than a country with 10x its population, a serious leaky southern border, backfiring aggressive foreign policy, particularly with Iran, and the US is competing with countries like India and China whose middle classes are larger than the US's entire population. The top 5 students in every Indian and Chinese primary school out numbers all the kids in primary school in the US. Canada is a idyllic island, the USA is front and center in an all out economic and political clash of ideologies.
- Cap and trade (and pollution control for solving global problems) will never work unless the top 10 countries in the world (in terms of both GDP and manufacturing capacity and population) are on board. Period end. If the world doesn't quickly move to nuclear now and fusion shortly, it is OVER possibly not if every home on the planet gets a wind vane, but that seems unlikely to happen (since its possible now).
- Keynes calls it "the paradox of thrift" and suggested that policies forcing people not to save is a "good idea." The guy wanted people spending all the time, or if he didn't, he never conveyed that to his protégés well enough for them to not do what they are doing. Right now the plebeians in the US are actually stashing cash, and everyone from Obama to the media is trying to get people to spend spend spend. The best thing for the long term is for people to prepare for the coming hell, not set out with no reserves.
- I have seen Keynes invoked to justify nearly every bad move in the past decade, and its warming up to be a potential currency collapse, the collapse of the US Treasury and Federal Reserve notes, and a collapse of the NYSE. And then they invoke Keynes to suggest the best way out of the mess is to spend out of an already near-critically debt massed black hole.
- A house is run like a town is run like a country or business is run like a state is run like a government. If there are things the government is doing that would either force your home into bankruptcy or into jail via fraud charges, then the government and banks shouldn't be operating in that fashion. A certain degree of stretchy liquidity is in order, but in terms of percent of GDP, there is no way of justifying what they US has now.
- Iceland failed at 850 percent debt to GDP. The US is at 350 and rising. It is not a good thing at all.
- What is happening to the dollar as a forex standard. [youtube.com]
- March 19, 2009 C-SPAN - "Let's Quit Destroying Our Dollar!" [youtube.com]
- HR 1207 (A bill to make the Fed more accountable and to answer questions regarding the dollar policy) [loc.gov]

Title: Obama sidetracked by fiscal mess, but presses on [yahoo.com]
"Being heard above the din may prove difficult. Lawmakers are wrangling over taxing people who got big bonuses and worrying the president's budget could generate $9.3 trillion in red ink over the next decade."
- Kremlin to pitch new global currency [infowars.com]
Russia proposes creation of global super-reserve currency

Holy crap, even the Russians and Chinese get it. Strange days are here.

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Re:Tsarkon Reports Obama bent on bankrupting USA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296855)

tl;dr

Re:Tsarkon Reports Obama bent on bankrupting USA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296883)

Yeah, you see slashdot doesnt have inline images so I cant make a picture-pages style story book for you. Maybe on fark? Literacy is a bitch, I know.

Re:Tsarkon Reports Obama bent on bankrupting USA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27297991)

so lame

It's still dark in Alaska (3, Funny)

Kludge (13653) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296881)

The web cam just shows blackness

Re:It's still dark in Alaska (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296911)

Obama's on Mt. Redoubt? Man, even Alaska is getting dark...

Re:It's still dark in Alaska (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296945)

Next thing you know there will be frakkin coons on Deadliest Catch...

Re:It's still dark in Alaska (4, Informative)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296917)

Apparently this is what the inside of a layer of ash looks like at this time of morning.

Global cooling on its way?

Re:It's still dark in Alaska (1)

genner (694963) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297889)

I see a few dots of light

What I want to know... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296921)

Can Governor Sarah Palin see it happening from her house?

Not at the moment, she's on her knees (5, Funny)

Barsteward (969998) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297611)

praying for forgiveness for upsetting her god...

Re:Not at the moment, she's on her knees (5, Funny)

cthulu_mt (1124113) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298019)

You had me at "on her knees".

Re:What I want to know... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27298099)

No, she doesn't believe in monitoring volcanoes.

It's not Russia, but... (4, Funny)

ptomblin (1378) | more than 5 years ago | (#27296937)

Sarah Palin reports she can see it from her house.

Breakup (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296989)

I guess we're finally finding out how Sarah responded to Bristol's breakup with her fiance...

Re:It's not Russia, but... (5, Informative)

necro81 (917438) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297139)

In truth, Sarah Palin almost certainly can see this from her house. Mt Redoubt is only about 100 miles from Anchorage, and a lot of the intervening distance is the open water of Cook Inlet. On a clear-ish day, one can see Denali (20,320 ft) from Anchorage, and that's over 100 miles away. A 50,000 foot tall ash plume will certainly be visible - once daylight arrives, anyway. I can only imagine what the view will be from the many towns on the east coast of the Kenai peninsula, where they'll be able to look right across Cook Inlet to the volcano.

[to be technical, Sarah Palin lives in Wasilla, which some consider a suburb of Anchorage, even though it's an hour away by car]

Re:It's not Russia, but... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27297319)

Yes, but does that make her a vulcanologist?

Re:It's not Russia, but... (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297695)

Only if she writes down what she sees.

Re:It's not Russia, but... (4, Informative)

cashman73 (855518) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297587)

And the Republicans want to eliminate money for volcano monitoring [cnn.com] ?!?! Great idea!

Re:It's not Russia, but... (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298197)

Well, if it eliminates "Sarah Palin"s... I say that's a good deal! ^^

Re:It's not Russia, but... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27298021)

I can only imagine what the view will be from the many towns on the east coast of the Kenai peninsula, where they'll be able to look right across Cook Inlet to the volcano.

I assume you mean west coast of the Kenai peninsula. Unless this is some new definition of the word east.

Re:It's not Russia, but... (3, Informative)

eggoeater (704775) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298321)

>In truth, Sarah Palin almost certainly can see this from her house.

She might be able to see a vague outline of ash in the sky today, but as the ash blows north any further viewing will be obscured.
You can see Denali from Anchorage because it's mostly flat in between the two.
The view south from Anchorage however is mostly mountains; seeing anything off in the distance is unlikely.

BTW, the drive from Anchorage down the Kenai to Homer is staggeringly beautiful. I highly recommend it.

Re:It's not Russia, but... (0, Offtopic)

oldr4ver (1192469) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297693)

Let us not forget that there are only 6 continents on Palin's map of the earth. Africa is apparently of no concern to this dimwit. Could you imagine her first argument for a piece of legislature she would have pushed, "Why? Because I want to, that's why!"

Re:It's not Russia, but... (3, Funny)

DrWho520 (655973) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297813)

The volcano god will demand a virgin sacrifice, so we can count out Bristol.

Re:It's not Russia, but... (2, Funny)

skeeto (1138903) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298303)

I redoubt it.

Re:It's not Russia, but... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27298373)

still can't tell Tina Fey from Sarah Palin, huh.

Re:It's not Russia, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27298427)

I can see it from my house...problem it is still dark here. and probably cloudy. so I will not ba able to see it. But the last few days have been clear and Alaskan cold. I could see the steam plume. I live across the inlet from Mt redoubt. By the time it gets light I will be off to work, So if it is clear I will miss seeing the ash plume. I bet Sarah can see it from her house . she would be looking at the north side where as I am looking at it from the south east. Anchor Point. On to work....

YEP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27296991)

More proof that Sarah PALIN is incompetent. Good thing we elected Barack Obama. His steady leadership and teleprompter reading skills have brought back prosperity. I shudder to think of the massive deficits and floundering leadership if she had been elected.

Re:YEP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27297023)

Barack is hell bent on bankrupting the USA once and for all ; read everything below and you might finallybegin to understand.

- Chairman Barack Hussein "The Teleprompter" Obama is deeply connected to corruption, Rahm Emanuel (Radical authoritarian Statist-Zionist whose father was part of the Murderous Civilian Killing Israeli Terrorist Organization known as IRGUN), Connected to Rod Blagojevich (Rahm inherited Rod's federal-congress seat), Connected to Ayers, a man who promotes the concept that civilian collateral damage is ok in a war against freedom, Preacher Jeremiah Wright, who is himself a black-elitist who wants all the people who largely "pay the freight" to suffer, 31 million on food stamps, more blacks are in prison and on food-stamps per capita than anyone else. The problem with Wright is simply this: the facts are "racist."
- Obama: Racist, AIPAC-Zionist, Corrupted and a Traitor and a Liar who can't even produce a valid birth certificate (which is not a certificate of live birth)
- Raytheon lobbyist in Pentagon
- Goldman Sachs insider second in command at Treasury.
- Cabinet has had several nominees and appointees with multiple tax fraud issues.
- The head of the IRS and the head of the Treasury, Geithner, is a Tax Cheat
- Lied about no lobbyists
- Lied about having a new degree of accountability and a SUNSHINE period of new laws, he has signed bills with little or no review at whitehouse.gov as promised.
- Appointed a second amendment violating Rich-pardoning treasonist Eric Holder as AG, the top cop of the USA, a man who helped a fugitive evade justice.
- Has not put a dime in for a single new nuclear power plant but wants to help bridges and roads to promote more driving.
- Obama, Blagojevich and Rahm Emanuel have a LOT to hide. They literally lived next to each other, Rahm had (until being Chairman Obama's Chief of staff) Blagojevich's old federal congressional seat. Blagojevich helped Chairman "The Teleprompter" Obama cheat his way to the Illinois senate by getting other candidates thrown off the ballot in Illinois. Why do you think Blagojevich was so mad? Obama DID owe him, big time. Rahm and Obama are using Blagojevich and trying to cut his head off to keep him away.
- Tony Rezko, Iraqi Arms Dealer Nahdmi Auchi, and of course Aiham Alsammarae. Chairman "The Teleprompter" Hussein Obama is so corrupted its a joke.
- Fools and "useful idiots" twist the pie charts by leaving welfare, workfare, interest on debt, social security, Medicare and Medicaid out and focusing only on non-whole "discretionary" pie charts.
2007 high level pie chart, Federal Budget, USA [wikimedia.org]
2009 Pie chart, detailed, Federal Budget, USA [wikimedia.org]
- Chairman Obama is drastically increasing spending and creating more entitlements that will make the US less competitive (especially against China, India, East Europe/Russia). This will be a huge disaster and change you can believe in will strap you and your grandkids with more debt. No taxation without representation? Obama is spending money for the next two-three generations and they can't even vote yet, or even have been born.
- An alternative to the dollar and a forex and a reserve currency came up at the last G20 meeting. The world will not take faith in Obama's liar-socialist spending and welfare state, why should the taxpayers (plebian citizen-slaves of a police state).
- The spending going on now vastly eclipses all previous spending. In fact, the massive trillion plus debts is a thing of the 80's onwards. Congress signs the checks, remember that Year after year, as egregious as the pentagon spending is, that the social spending is completely a waste of money and it is unfunded over the long term. Eisenhower built the interstates, the US could build a new power infrastructure with this money but instead is being pissed into creating more of an entitlement system that is STILL unfunded, and without massive poll-taxes and far more aggressive progressive taxes, could NEVER be funded.
- The budgeting being done today were recently reported by a non-partisan auditing commission will lead to about 10 TRILLION in new debt over the next 10 years. Obama is going to double the national debt while doing nothing to address the unfunded debt obligations of Social Security.
- Clinton appointed David Walker of the GAO, he quit, the unfunded debt obligations have rendered the USA insolvent according to accounting standards.
Taxpayers on the hook for $59 trillion [usatoday.com]
US Public Debt Unfunded Debt Obligations [wikipedia.org]
- Most of the world population gets NOTHING from their governments, or a very bare minimum or services that benefit only the upper echelons of society. However, the liar Chairman Obama says we need his universal "state-hospital" rationed health care to be competitive. Bull. China and India give nothing, and they are the biggest threat to the American worker. By forcing healthcare and higher taxes, Americans will be less competitive.
- If you think 60% tax rates end to end (income, accounts receivable tax, building permit tax, CDL tax, cigarette tax, corporate income tax, dog license tax, federal income tax, unemployment tax, gasoline tax, hunting license tax, fishing license tax, waterfowl stamp tax, inheritance tax, inventory tax, liquor tax, luxury tax, Medicare tax, city, school and county property tax (up 33 percent last 4 years), real estate tax, social security tax, road usage tax, toll road tax, state and city sales tax, recreational vehicle tax, excise tax, state franchise tax, state unemployment tax, telephone federal excise tax, telephone federal state and local surcharge tax, telephone minimum usage surcharge tax, telephone state and local tax, utility tax, vehicle license registration tax, capital gains tax, lease severance tax, oil and gas assessment tax, misc internet sales tax and many more taxes that I can't recall at the moment) will make the US competitive, along with compulsory programs to provide everyone with health care is going to make the US competitive in the age of India and China, you are a joke.
- As the US nationalizes (read: rations healthcare) to the least common denominator of affordability without regard to efficacy, people with money will simply look into medical tourism so those with money can go to medical parks in India and get real health care. Those who have lived in Canada or in the UK can tell you "free" healthcare is NOT a panacea. If you think this, you are again, a useful idiot. The NHS in the UK has given bad blood and Hepatitis and AIDS blood to people, and Jade Goody who just died was misdiagnosed twice resulting in her death (She was all cleared twice of cervical cancer which she just died of). The NHS in the UK is not able to be sued or held accountable. Neither will Chairman Obama's rationed health care service for America.
- Sorry to bust the socialist bubble-lie, but support of these types of policies will simply lower the standard of living in the USA, particularly for the middle class. At least at the end of the Eisenhower projects the USA got roads to show for the spending, and with this new spending, the USA could have built power plants that get the USA out of the middle east, but the age of government for the sake of government is upon us, and the useful idiots line up and believe empty promises.
The pentagon (and Bechtel, Kroll, Bluewater, Halliburton, etc) could get less than half of what they get today, but that will fix nothing fundamental in terms of government spending. It is simply not enough to make a difference when compared to the Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security entitlements.
See: YouTube - US Government Immorality Will Lead to Bankruptcy [youtube.com]
- If Obama thinks its ok to lie to 300 million people about being able to "take care of them" without even being honest about what that care would look like, then being an idiot and believing in Obama is for you.
- The US Government already have over 50% of the budget on Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security. Socialists: Good job on that one, its working great. Solution to the current near-collapse-due-to-over-spending: add more unfunded entitlements!
- You Socialist-liars can break my spirit and my financial back to force me to "need" a federal government that is turning this country into a police state and turn it into a quasi-socialist lie, but I will, I must put up a fight. I have kids to educate and feed, and the stuff you sell (which is failing to various degrees everywhere else as implemented) is simply forcing a culture of failure on a once great, libertarian free country.
- I will not be complacent with your "change," and there will be a point where civil war will become an option. See how hard you can push before you get it. How much more than half can the truly productive workers in this country afford to pay. Keep pushing to find out how to start a civil war.
- The socialist-lie of a plan will not work, its not fundable, it WILL destroy the currency to fund it, and its really as simple as this: if this insanity is funded by borrowing from the US's economic and military adversaries then Obama and his socialist cabal is NOT fit to administrate society. Rome fell. Kings who mis-manged their treasuries all fell. Every example of unhinged spending leads to the same result: systemic collapse.
- Obama and his sycophantic lunatics would want to have a civil war to get Chairman Obama's way and force the socialist-lie system on my already tax paying law abiding ass. And as far as "no new taxes" for those under 250k, its a lie, the tax is called inflation, which is set to begin just about now that the Chinese wont want the USA's worthless treasuries to fund the socialist-lie fantasy (one that COMMUNIST China doesn't even try and sell to its people!)
- Chairman Obama's numbers don't add up. There is a $59 trillion dollar hole (UFDO) in social security alone. AIG $150 billion here, TARP $350 billion there. $800 billion for a highly dubious stimulus package. Another one on the way. $59 trillion hole in the balance sheet IGNORED. China saying they aren't going to buy treasuries, Clinton clamoring to find buyers now. $3.6 trillion dollar budget, potential military action on Mexico, Iran still a "terrorist state" at the behest of the AIPAC, spending up, dollar about to fall, inflation over time since Breton Woods extremely easy to document, yet, the socialist-liars question when the numbers (the Federal Government numbers) simply don't add up to the point where if the US-GOV was a company it would be insolvent.
  -How dare the taxpayers question what Chairman Obama's drastic spending increases are going to do to the purchasing power of our savings because Chairman Obama wants to recklessly spend and try to maintain and American empire AND guarantee a standard of living, and Chairman Obama doesn't even want to build a single nuclear power plant to do it? Chairman Obama must be a complete and total lunatic moron.
- Obama is either a negligent idiot or an unhinged maniac with delusional fantasies. Meanwhile, Chainman Obama's tax dodging Treasury Secretary has 17 unfilled positions, the Treasury Dept. isn't even functioning at this point.
- "General welfare" in the constitution was, according to the man who wrote it, Madison, meant to be extremely limited in scope. The federal government per the constitution doesn't even have the enumerated POWER to deal with economic messes. A lot of these "POWERS" were created while there is a crisis to dupe the public into accepting an un-constitutional authoritarian regime as the government and to usurp authority over the people.
- The USA is a constitutional republic. A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting to eat a sheep. Also a constitutional republic isn't about using a barely-majority or a plurality to stuff your (un-fundable disastrous) crap down the disenfranchised other-half's throat.
- With Obama's authoritarian corrupted criminal (aiding and abetting a criminal in flight of prosecution, Rich case) Eric Holder in charge, we won't have our inalienable and enumerated rights to firearms much longer. For a constitutional law expert, Obama must have never read the federalist papers or he would simply hand himself as a traitor.
- The arbitrary expansion of "general welfare" is not only unconstitutional, it may very well lead to a serious conflict on the issue.
- Here is a debate on general welfare and how stuff like this came to pass, but was clearly no intended by the authors of the document of root law.
In Federalist No. 41, James Madison asked rhetorically: "For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power?" (In reference to the general welfare clause)
So strongly did the founders believe that "general welfare" wouldn't be expanded as written:
In Federalist No. 84, Alexander Hamilton indirectly confirmed Madison's point. (That the "general welfare" clause was "clearly" nota free pass for government)
Hamilton argued that a bill of rights, which many were clamoring for, would be not only unnecessary, but dangerous. Since the federal government was given only a few specific powers, there was no need to add prohibitions: it was implicitly prohibited by the listed powers. If a proposed law a relief act, for instance wasn't covered by any of these powers, it was unconstitutional.
"why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do? Why, for instance, should it be said, that the liberty of the press shall not be restrained when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed?"
Hamilton goes on to argue that making Amendments (e.g., enumerating Free speech, press and assembly) and enumerating the 'right' would have the following effect:
(A bill of rights) "would furnish, to men disposed to usurp, a plausible pretence for claiming that power that is, a power to regulate the press, short of actually shutting it down. "
"With respect to the words 'general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers (enumerated in the Constitution) connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." --James Madison [The US Supreme Court has found the meaning of "general welfare" in the Constitution to be much more elastic than did Mr. Madison. But as the "author of the Constitution," what does he know?]
James Madison, when asked if the "general welfare" clause was a grant of power, replied in 1792, in a letter to Henry Lee,

If not only the means but the objects are unlimited, the parchment [the Constitution] should be thrown into the fire at once.

"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government , and to provide new Guards for their future security. ...--The Declaration of Independence
- Wrong, monetizing failures causes more. Japan showed us this for decades. But hey, Chairman Obama thinks you can fix a problem DECADES in the making with a quick fixer-upper, he is screwed in the head.
- The complaints are with the Federal government (in general) since Breton Woods. The Federal Government and Obama's minions STILL didn't listen to David Walker, a Clinton appointee and former head of the GAO. This isn't about political parties anymore morons!
- Show me a single federal budget that was less than the previous. If this $3.6T budget goes, its never coming back barring systemic collapse.
- The United States Federal Government, The United States Federal Reserve, and the banks which were enabled to continue down reckless paths by a quasi government agency known as the Federal Reserve whose actions are not subject to congress and whose members are unelected. This situation is untenable and unconstitutional.
- Every inflationary road taken in history ends in collapse. Keynesian policies are widely regarded as no longer workable.
- Inflation is a tax: What ignorant tax and spenders don't take into account here is the relative percentages of people's wealth (both net and gross) and the costs of owning and maintaining houses, cars, standards of living.
- Inflation via deficit spending is going to make it such that you will be paying a lot more by percentage of your income to maintain a given standard of living. Obama's arguments are so poorly thought out and seek to blame "Republicans" for the mess, its really simply laughable - the needs cleanup now, not worsening.
- You can't spend your way out of a hole if the creditors (e.g. China) start telling the USA they won't buy. It is that simple. Now America starts to have to collateralize the debt with assets. The USA will be selling off chunks of American assets to back the new debt. One day, it may even be necessary to sell Alaska back to Russia because no one will take greenbacks to prop up a failing version of a modern Rome.
- Ah, here we go with the Matthew Lesko arguments. [lesko.com]
Interest rates were on the rise before the government stepped in with free money for everyone (the fine print of course indicate massive strings attached).
Other economies, for example, India, have the central rates set to far more reasonable/realistic rates (at the moment ~ 8+%), which is still tends to be too low, but shows that if you need someone else capital you need to pay a premium for it, and given that capital is in short supply, it would stand to reason that a premium must be charged for it.
The problem is the unrealistic growth rates of mature economies don't allow for profiting via growth projections (rather than simply earning money). So the government steps in, turns on the free money spigot, gets the interest rates for savings down in the 1-2% range while diluting the value of the whole currency in order to prop up dying companies that ran the business like a Madhoff Ponzi scheme.
- The Republicans aren't solely responsible for the crisis as Obama's minions would have you believe, congress is (no particular congress), the Executive of the US government (no particular one) and the US Federal Reserve System are all at fault.
- Fundamentally, the government is trying to fix the prices of various things to "make it all work." This pulling on the invisible hand is a fools venture. It was predicted long ago the housing collapse (and those, such as myself, in the know, wished while realizing the housing collapse coming that we were wrong for everyone's sake - but the truth is the truth) . It may be that the Austrian (von Mises) economists will ultimately be proven right.
- We are a nation of partially educated whiney grabby idiots, and we got the government that represents this. The Chinese, India and other up and coming nations will show no mercy for this arrogant abuse of our status as the world's forex reserves.
- War and asset sales will continue to be the only option for this scheme until it is corrected at the core. And to say that the government has already averted a depression by doing what they did (most of the monies injected wont be "felt" for some time), is just arrogance and stupidity. Price fixing prolonged the Great Depression. Price-fixing (or attempting to) houses will do the same, but probably worse.
- Obama's minions simply don't care if the US is bankrupted and rendered insolvent, they just want a say in how its done, presumably to "feel safe." Rather selfish.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." AND "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (Possibly Richard Jackson)

- Everyone better realize that inflation will pay a major role in funding un-fundable fantasies, wiping the savers and the middle class out. The problem is, that other countries are growing tired of making our Federal Reserve notes worth something by buying our debt as treasuries. Obama's minions talk about spending, but in order to "get what YOU want" you will sell debt to potential economic and military adversaries? Real bright. What's really sad is that despite David Walker being an authority on these issues, people refuse to even watch him and listen to what he is saying.
- On the success of Canada and its form of Socialism: A huge country like Canada with massive amounts of uranium and tar sands and natural resources and a huge land mass with a scant 30 million people is an order of magnitude less of a problem to manage than a country with 10x its population, a serious leaky southern border, backfiring aggressive foreign policy, particularly with Iran, and the US is competing with countries like India and China whose middle classes are larger than the US's entire population. The top 5 students in every Indian and Chinese primary school out numbers all the kids in primary school in the US. Canada is a idyllic island, the USA is front and center in an all out economic and political clash of ideologies.
- Cap and trade (and pollution control for solving global problems) will never work unless the top 10 countries in the world (in terms of both GDP and manufacturing capacity and population) are on board. Period end. If the world doesn't quickly move to nuclear now and fusion shortly, it is OVER possibly not if every home on the planet gets a wind vane, but that seems unlikely to happen (since its possible now).
- Keynes calls it "the paradox of thrift" and suggested that policies forcing people not to save is a "good idea." The guy wanted people spending all the time, or if he didn't, he never conveyed that to his protégés well enough for them to not do what they are doing. Right now the plebeians in the US are actually stashing cash, and everyone from Obama to the media is trying to get people to spend spend spend. The best thing for the long term is for people to prepare for the coming hell, not set out with no reserves.
- I have seen Keynes invoked to justify nearly every bad move in the past decade, and its warming up to be a potential currency collapse, the collapse of the US Treasury and Federal Reserve notes, and a collapse of the NYSE. And then they invoke Keynes to suggest the best way out of the mess is to spend out of an already near-critically debt massed black hole.
- A house is run like a town is run like a country or business is run like a state is run like a government. If there are things the government is doing that would either force your home into bankruptcy or into jail via fraud charges, then the government and banks shouldn't be operating in that fashion. A certain degree of stretchy liquidity is in order, but in terms of percent of GDP, there is no way of justifying what they US has now.
- Iceland failed at 850 percent debt to GDP. The US is at 350 and rising. It is not a good thing at all.
- What is happening to the dollar as a forex standard. [youtube.com]
- March 19, 2009 C-SPAN - "Let's Quit Destroying Our Dollar!" [youtube.com]
- HR 1207 (A bill to make the Fed more accountable and to answer questions regarding the dollar policy) [loc.gov]

Title: Obama sidetracked by fiscal mess, but presses on [yahoo.com]
"Being heard above the din may prove difficult. Lawmakers are wrangling over taxing people who got big bonuses and worrying the president's budget could generate $9.3 trillion in red ink over the next decade."
- Kremlin to pitch new global currency [infowars.com]
Russia proposes creation of global super-reserve currency

Holy crap, even the Russians and Chinese get it. Strange days are here.

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Re:YEP (1)

sabs (255763) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297769)

Wow, you've been sipping the kool-aid pretty hardcore lately haven't you.

Obama isn't perfect, but you sir have taken paranoidal delusion to a whole new level of fun.

Re:YEP (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27298165)

Yes, a document full of facts and factual stements and factual observations is delusional. That makes sense. Care to refute any of it, or just ad-hominate and suggest the guy telling the truth is a nut.

Very very MINITRU of you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Truth [wikipedia.org]

Thats a sign of being a useful idiot, you know. Not looking at facts.

Send in Al Gore (3, Funny)

gooman (709147) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297017)

Well this should clearly be illegal, dumping all of that ash and those greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere.
Of course there's a Republican governor.
Won't somebody think of the caribou?!

Re:Send in Al Gore (5, Funny)

Samschnooks (1415697) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297163)

It's different. Those greenhouse gases are all natural; therefore, they're safe and healthy. Why I expect the next time I walk into Wholefoods, they'll have canisters with the gas output from the volcano.

I may even market it in an infomercial: "Volcano Gas! The natural male enhancement! For women too! You can have an Earth Shattering Happy moment with your partner!"

I'm on my way to film commercials with that smiling couple!

Re:Send in Al Gore (4, Funny)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297393)

How about a tie in with my All Natural Green Organic Hemlock Energy Drink?

"If it's good enough for Socrates it's good enough for us!"

Every can comes with a coupon for the sequestration of your carbon.

Re:Send in Al Gore (3, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297321)

There's nothing we can do about the natural contributions of Earth's own systems to the Greenhouse - except where we're increasing it by cutting trees, replacing them with livestock, helping heat the oceans to kill coral reefs, create dead zones instead of carbon-based life ecosystems and acidifying them to release more oceanic carbon into the air. The Earth's baseline Greenhouse gas cycles are stable enough for us to live in, as we evolved to do over thousands and millions of generations.

But the sudden extra dumping of Greenhouse pollution is pushing those cycles out of their groove, into a new groove that leaves the weather more violent and the seas swollen with melted ice. If we don't rein in our artificial contributions, even though they're small compared to the natural baseline, we're going to inherit a whirlwind that will probably destroy our civilization.

That's why Al Gore is warning us so urgently. And why Republican governors are dangerous sources of hot air.

Re:Send in Al Gore (4, Insightful)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297517)

Explain why we are still not in an ice age if the "natural contributions of the Earth's own systems" are stable and don't cause climate change.

Re:Send in Al Gore (1)

((hristopher _-*-_-* (956823) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298061)

Apart from supervolcanos, every xxxxxxxxx years. It is stable as far as sudden changes are concerned.

Actually the eruption of this one may help delay the onset of the clathrate 'dilemma' that may destroy most life. A cooling effect of Siberia should occur now during the summer, although I am not an expert in these matters.

If I was going to try something 'initial' to delay the clathrate gun, this would be it. Clap clap to god, quantum spirits, or some mad scientist.

Re:Send in Al Gore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27298273)

That's global warming too! See, as we know, Al Gore invented the internet. This is where it gets interesting. Turns out friction produces heat, right? Well when nerds discovered porn on the internet, there was a large increase in the amount of friction around the world. The resulting heat increased global temperatures to the point that we are no longer in an ice age! So really, you should be thanking global warming.

Re:Send in Al Gore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27298365)

Mammoth farts.

Re:Send in Al Gore (2, Insightful)

dupup (784652) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298479)

Explain why we are still not in an ice age if the "natural contributions of the Earth's own systems" are stable and don't cause climate change.

The natural contributions referred to do contribute to climate change, of course, as do other factors like fluctuations in the Earth's orbit around the sun and continental drift. The thing that makes the anthropogenic contributions to climate change troublesome is that they happen over a dramatically shorter period of time than is typical for natural events.

And when I say, "troublesome", I mean, of course, troublesome to us. The Earth will cheefully cruise along whether we infest it or not.

Re:Send in Al Gore (-1, Flamebait)

Ogive17 (691899) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297627)

I don't care if Al Gore gets all of his energy from solar panels... the guy uses more electricity in a month than I use in a year. He's full of shit, if he wants to be a leader in the environmental push, he needs to be an example of energy conservation as well.

He's only a "leader" because he's got lots of money to pay others to offset his excesses.

Re:Send in Al Gore (2, Insightful)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298403)

He's only a "leader" because he's got lots of money to pay others to offset his excesses.

Actually, the company he buys his "offsets" from is owned by ... himself. By the way, can I buy "offsets" from myself, and write them off of my taxes?

Re:Send in Al Gore (4, Insightful)

mikem170 (698970) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297757)

If we don't rein in our artificial contributions, even though they're small compared to the natural baseline, we're going to inherit a whirlwind that will probably destroy our civilization."

There is not enough scientific eveidence to back up your statement. "Probably" is a strong word. Overpopulation could be the real danger. Humanity might receed, the climate will go on.

Throughout history there have always been those crying "end of the world". Many of them cooks and manipulators, I'm sure. All of them wrong.

Re:Send in Al Gore (5, Funny)

T Murphy (1054674) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298131)

Throughout history there have always been those crying "end of the world". Many of them cooks and manipulators.

Note to self: when someone says the world is ending, do NOT try their soup.

Re:Send in Al Gore (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298349)

That's why Al Gore is warning us so urgently. And why Republican governors are dangerous sources of hot air.

And that's why Al Gore's house uses more energy than 50 normal houses. He's using the energy before it can cause ecological problems from wasteful people.

Finally.... (2, Funny)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297033)

Finally, several months after the loss in elections, Sarah Palin let the steam out.......

Re:Finally.... tsarkon (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27297057)

Seems like the steam Obama's letting out of the economy is far larger than the steam coming out of this, or Krakatoa for that matter.

Meanwhile (4, Interesting)

Alzheimers (467217) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297071)

Meanwhile, in Louisiana, Governor Bobby Jindal mutters something about all this wasteful government spending.

Re:Meanwhile (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297253)

Jindal was right! We don't have to monitor volcanoes, just wait for them to erupt and the news media will monitor them for us! Who wants to monitor them when they aren't doing anything interesting anyway? That would be like monitoring weather patterns out in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean...boring and useless.

indeed (3, Funny)

eean (177028) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298115)

Why even bother to predicate hurricanes if government is useless at responding to them.

"Government is ineffective, vote for us and we'll show you how!" - traditional GOP motto.

haha (4, Insightful)

p3on (1245484) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297079)

i bet jindal feels like a doof

Re:haha (5, Insightful)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297239)

No he doesn't; If 8 years of Bush has shown us anything, it's that conservatism means never having to consider the possibility you're wrong.

Re:haha (1)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298217)

I thought it was "Conservatism means never having to say you're wrong".

Re:haha (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27297269)

Yeah, being right about the waste and unfunded entitlements in the stimulus is really something that makes one feel doofy

Re:haha (1)

Alinabi (464689) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297435)

Yeah, being right about the waste and unfunded entitlements in the stimulus is really something that makes one feel doofy

No, it is not. But I don't see how this matters for Jindal, he has never been right about anything in his entire life.

Re:haha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27297507)

Yeah, except that thing about the unfunded debt obligation. NO he was right about that.

Correction... 4 NOT 3 eruptions... (5, Informative)

denzacar (181829) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297083)

NOT from TFA:

Alaska volcano Mount Redoubt erupts 4 times

By MARK THIESSEN - 40 minutes ago

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) -- Alaska's Mount Redoubt volcano erupted four times overnight, sending an ash plume more than 9 miles high into the air, but the state's largest city has likely been spared from any ashfall.
"The ash cloud went to 50,000 feet, and it's currently drifting toward the north, northeast," said Janet Schaefer, a geologist with the Alaska Volcano Observatory.

The first eruption, in a sparsely area across Cook Inlet from the Kenai Peninsula, occurred at 10:38 p.m. Sunday and the fourth happened at 1:39 a.m. Monday, according to the observatory.

The wind patterns were taking the ash cloud away from Anchorage, toward Willow and Talkneetna, near Mount McKinley, North America's largest mountain in Denali National Park.
Geophysicist John Power said no cities have yet reported any ash fall from the volcano, but noted that it was still early.
Using radar and satellite technology, the National Weather Service is predicting ash to start falling later Monday morning.

Dave Stricklan, a hydrometeorogical technician with the National Weather Service, expected very fine ash.
"Just kind of a light dusting," he said. He said the significant amount of ash probably dropped immediately, right down the side of the volcano.
"The heavier stuff drops out very quickly, and then the other stuff filters out. There's going to be a very fine amount of it that's going to be suspended in the Atmosphere for quite some time, but nothing to really affect anything such as aviation travel. The heavier stuff will filter out," he said.

Still, Alaska Airlines on Monday canceled 19 flights in and out of the Anchorage international airport because of the ash.
Elmendorf Air Force Base in Anchorage told only essential personnel to report to work. The Air Force says 60 planes, including fighter jets, cargo aircraft and a 747 commercial plane, are being sheltered.

The 10,200-foot Redoubt Volcano, roughly 100 miles southwest of Anchorage, last erupted during a four-month period from 1989-90.
But the volcano became restless earlier this year. The observatory had warned in late January that an eruption could occur at any time.
Increased earthquake activity over the past 48 hours prompted scientists to raise the alert level for Mount Redoubt on Sunday.
On Sunday morning, 40 to 50 earthquakes were being recorded every hour.
A steam plume rising about 1,000 feet above the mountain peak was observed Saturday.

Re:Correction... 5 NOT 4 eruptions... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27297173)

2009-03-23 02:04:08
As of 2:00AM March 23, 2009, AVO has recorded FOUR large explosions [...]

2009-03-23 04:37:08
Another large explosion is occurring at Redoubt.

(which IS from TFA)

Correction... 5 NOT 4 eruptions... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27297561)

The Anchorage Daily News is reporting 5 eruptions here [adn.com]

/Former resident of Eagle River, AK
//Saw Mt Redoubt the last time it erupted.
///Well, at least until the ash obscured the view.

Re:Correction... 4 NOT 3 eruptions... (2, Funny)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298449)

The first eruption, in a sparsely area across Cook Inlet

Good thing it was in a "sparsely area". That's a kind of spice, isn't it?

Massive planetary chaos (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27297085)

If you thought we had climate change before, wait till you see what this ash cloud will do. I predict there will be a massive temperature swing, destroying all crops in the northern hemisphere, putting half of the world's population in danger of death from lack of food, and adversely affecting the economies of all the southern hemisphere countries, which will lead to the use of non-green technologies for cost reasons, which will compound the problem exponentially. I predict that because of this incident, the entire population of the world will be dead within two years.

Speak for yourself nonbeliever... (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297125)

Jebus is gonna save me.

Or Xenu... One of those guys anyway...

Re:Speak for yourself nonbeliever... (1)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297691)

Sonny Jebus? He kicks ASS!

Re:Speak for yourself nonbeliever... (1)

genner (694963) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297939)

Budda, Zeus, God, one of you guys, do something!
Help, Satan, you owe me!

Re:Speak for yourself nonbeliever... (1)

Cerberus7 (66071) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297977)

Definitely Xenu. We're talking about volcanoes, after all.

Check out the seismograph [alaska.edu] . I can't wait until daylight and we get some pics of what's going on out there.

Re:Speak for yourself nonbeliever... (1)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298461)

Sorry, but volcanoes you can't see at night suck. Lightning from the dust cloud is a minimum.

Re:Massive planetary chaos (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297871)

This got -1 Flamebait, but should probably +1 Funny, or if this was Fox News, +1 Informative.

This is likely how many so-called News reporters will cover it, they'll take something like "there have been reports of birds fleeing the area", and "an estimated 30 animals were killed in the first explosion" something that's pretty much expected, but not bother noting that, then they'll bring on some pseudo-scientist proclaiming the global impact of this, possible rises is mosquito breeding, then transitioning into "here's Dr. Doom, on the recent status of bird flu..." without making note of the fact it's an unrelated report, making it seems as though there is a correlation between this eruption and something else.

I doubt it, and I doubt it again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27297095)

Sorry... this story is a mixup. Someone on twitter said: "D00d, the vulcanoe just 'rupted" and I said "I doubt it" and he said "no reely", and I said "I doubt it" again. And somehow that go morphed into "Mount ReDoubt has erupted"
Sorry

Pork (1)

Nikola Tesla and You (1490547) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297149)

I seem to recall that volcano monitoring was labeled as 'Pork'?

Re:Pork (2, Informative)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297277)

To be fair... I think the US Congress labels any spending that benefits a single state or group as "pork". So, ya, volcano monitoring is pork, but useful pork in my opinion - especially as ash clouds can affect more than just the source state, though this may not be the case given the size of Alaska...

Not all government pork is bad - insert joke here - ...

Re:Pork (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27297363)

Is there such a thing as Kosher pork???

Re:Pork (1)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298259)

To be fair... I think the US Congress labels any spending that benefits a single state or group as "pork". So, ya, volcano monitoring is pork.

So would watching a super volcano not be pork?

How much CO2 would this dump into the atmosphere? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27297179)

Just curious what the #cars per eruption ratio is.

Re:How much CO2 would this dump into the atmospher (2, Interesting)

MilesAttacca (1016569) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297427)

Just remember, all the debris kicked up into the atmosphere could actually cause global cooling. Reference the drop in average world temperature caused by the eruption of Mount Pinatubo [wikipedia.org] awhile back.

Re:How much CO2 would this dump into the atmospher (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27297579)

Of course this would be temporary cooling, the gasses (warming) released from the event would persist for longer periods of time in the atmosphere than the particulates (cooling).

Re:How much CO2 would this dump into the atmospher (1)

kenj0418 (230916) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297621)

Car: About 3600 kg for an average car (http://www.terrapass.com/carbon-footprint-calculator/)
Volcanoes (average for all of them each year): 130,000,000,000 kg (http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php)
Didn't find anything on one volcano.

So about 36 million cars = all the volcanoes for CO2 emissions.

Re:How much CO2 would this dump into the atmospher (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298137)

http://www.volcanolive.com/vei.html [volcanolive.com]

Claims "20-30", so about 1.2 million cars per volcano. Give or take a fair bit because the "lava flow" ones would be putting out a fare bit as well.

52 Million cars [worldometers.info] are projected to be made this year, and going by 3600kg per car, means they will be putting out about 187 billion kg ontop of the millions of cars already out there.

Provided all of the 4 sites are correct, the emissions from cars a year is probably about 5 to 8 times more than volcanoes a year.

Re:How much CO2 would this dump into the atmospher (2, Funny)

whoop (194) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297759)

The only proper measurement here is how many MP3s would fit in a standard volcanic eruption.

A new record for currency! (0)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297207)

This news item is only one week old - this is surely a record for timely reporting. :)

The Devil Comes for Republicans (4, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297247)

When Republican governor of Louisiana Bobby Jindal took to TV immediately after President Obama's address to the Joint Session of Congress last month, he whined that the government funded volcano monitoring is "wasteful spending" [sciam.com] . Of course he was lying, since he said "$140M for volcano monitoring", when that money is for USGS "facilities and equipment, including stream gages, seismic and volcano monitoring systems and national map activities", all kinds of important stuff for running and protecting our country.

Then Jindal went into some kind of weird story about his standing for sanity during Hurricane Katrina (which he was lying about [talkingpointsmemo.com] , too - and it was a story about the lone Democrat getting things done, surrounded by Republicans including Jindal doing nothing but flapping their lips). Reminding us what happens when the government doesn't monitor predictable local natural disasters that kill thousands and destroy cities.

This was the official Republican response. Maybe they just want to keep secret their main competition for spewing filthy hot air that kills Americans.

Re:The Devil Comes for Republicans tsarkon (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27297305)

Yeah , monitoring them really stops them going off. Just like predicting eathquakes and tsunamis, the monitoring has prevented a lot of injuries and.. oh wait, they never do, there is almost never enough warning for the monitoring to shit.

Re:The Devil Comes for Republicans (2, Insightful)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297529)

I think Jindal was talking about using Stimulus money to fund volcano monitoring. Sorry, but I have to agree with him here. Monitoring volcanoes does nothing to STIMULATE the economy. Now if he were opposed to a stand-alone bill that spent $140,000,000/yr for volcano monitoring, then your points may be valid.

As to Jindal lying about his actions during Katrina, I can't seem to find your posts of outrage when Hillary Clinton claimed she was shot at in Bosnia, Barack Obama's claims that he had no ties to William Ayers or Tony Rezko, or his ignorance of the blatant racism of his pastor for 20 years. Where is your outrage over a guy who ducked paying taxes being put in charge of the IRS?

Sorry Doc, but if you want to at least appear to be non-partisan, you must at least make an faux attempt to apply the same standards to both sides. Truth is that there are good people on both sides of the aisle, although few and far between. You really shouldn't hate someone just because of the letter after their name. You used to be fair and smarter than that. Seeing that you've become a hateful, partisan hack disappointments me.

Re:The Devil Comes for Republicans (3, Interesting)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297771)

It's spending money, right?

To pay people's wages? That sounds exactly like stimulus.

To buy equipment? That sounds exactly like stimulus too.

Sure less multiplier effects than say building roads and bridges to connect industries to transport hubs/people, but you can't say it "does nothing to STIMULATE the economy", since clearly it does.

Of course stimulating the economy by borrowing/printing money is retarded anyway, but that's beside the point.

Re:The Devil Comes for Republicans (4, Insightful)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298023)

It's spending money, right?

To pay people's wages? That sounds exactly like stimulus.

To buy equipment? That sounds exactly like stimulus too.

Sure less multiplier effects than say building roads and bridges to connect industries to transport hubs/people, but you can't say it "does nothing to STIMULATE the economy", since clearly it does.

Of course stimulating the economy by borrowing/printing money is retarded anyway, but that's beside the point.

Well, if simply paying wages is the goal, then you could pay a LOT more wages for $140,000,000 a year than you could by simply monitoring volcanoes. How much of that money is spent monitoring volcanoes overseas? How many American jobs does it provide? What is the LONG TERM stimulus to the economy when compared to say a school which employs teachers, janitors, administrators for decades, not to mention educating kids?

Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against volcano monitoring, but not under guise of "stimulus". $140,000,000/yr will provide 2800 people with $50,000/yr jobs that actually build something, fix something, or make life easier for someone else, all of which would stimulate the economy much more than a few geologists sitting around collecting steam and ash data from a non-active volcano in the Phillipines. Again, I'm not saying it's not important, but it certain is not stimulus.

Re:The Devil Comes for Republicans tsarkon reports (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27298289)

In other news today, despite crushing amounts of spending, fusion still does not exist, cancer is not cured and no new nuclear power plants have been built (or are even planned in the "stimulus" ) ensuring our dealings with the middle-eastern TERR_OIL barons for some time to come.

Public fucking spending is working so great :)

Re:The Devil Comes for Republicans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27298327)

$140,000,000/yr will provide 2800 people with $50,000/yr jobs that actually build something, fix something, or make life easier for someone else

Except with that math, how would the raw materials be paid for? Facilities? Tools? You can't just make jobs out of thin air. There needs to be work for them to do.

Re:The Devil Comes for Republicans (1, Interesting)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298429)

$140,000,000/yr will provide 2800 people with $50,000/yr jobs that actually build something, fix something, or make life easier for someone else

Except with that math, how would the raw materials be paid for? Facilities? Tools? You can't just make jobs out of thin air. There needs to be work for them to do.

Um... OK. How about we take the money that was to be spent on steam gauges and what-not and spend it on concrete, lumber and rebar? How about we invest it on green energy, nuclear plants or research into how to turn a volcano into a power station? My point was that there are a million different ways to spend this money that would really qualify as stimulus and do more to benefit the average unemployed auto/construction/technical worker than monitoring volcanoes.

Re:The Devil Comes for Republicans (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27298027)

Equipment for monitoring volcano's does not belong, and has no business in an economic stimulus package. How many jobs are created from "steam gauges, seismic and volcano monitoring systems and national map activities?"

MOD UP!! ARCHERB DESTROYS DOC RUBY!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27298185)

I love it when Doc Ruby gets ass raped like this. He's one of the biggest hacks around, and he just got SMOKED!!!

That comment can't be flamebait if its a factual response to a parent flamebait comment. It's danmn insightful.

Moderators, do your job and bitchslap Doc Ruby to hell for being such a dumbass.

Be nice to DOC RUBY!!! (1, Insightful)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 5 years ago | (#27298335)

Please, don't hammer Doc. He's brilliant, although as of late, misguided. His posts can be fair, open and extremely insightful when he's not just typing with his heart instead of his head. While emotional responses are usually not a problem, in Doc's case, his heart has been filled with partisan hatred of late. I'm hoping that his head will take back over and clean out all the illogical, off balance hatred that has clouded his otherwise sound judgment.

For example, (and to get back on topic) imagine his outrage if a Republican had spent $140,000,000/yr to monitor volcanoes. He would be screaming in all caps and bold that this was some sort of a payoff to Sarah Palin. He would say that the US has not had a major eruption since Mt. St. Helens in the mid 80's. He would also point out that since this eruption was predicted and prepared for, there is no need to spend MORE money for monitoring since the current system obviously works fine with the current funding.

I look forward to the day when I can read Doc's posts again and think, "Wow! That bastard made sense."

Re:The Devil Comes for Republicans (1)

praedictus (61731) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297847)

Should have spent a little more to ash proof the seismometers. Looks like 2 of the 4 webicorders have gone titsup. RSO went off the air at 4:45 and RDN as of 6:03 am akst. Unless its the slashdot effect melting them.

Re:The Devil Comes for Republicans (1)

praedictus (61731) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297899)

Oops, just RSO is off the air, rdn was just slow refreshing.

Can the devil come for all ideologues? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27298053)

Does politics have to pollute EVERY story here? Seriously, I hate the GOP (hate the Democrats, too), but you raving, spittle dripping ideologues who have to drag politics into every damned story on anything are worse than any of them. Yes, we all know about Jindal's idiocy. You are not unique. You are not special for doing thing. Every point in your post was said in the first 15 minutes after Jindal's original comments.

Please just die or something. You ideologues, on both sides, are useless.

A poem (4, Funny)

SoundGuyNoise (864550) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297567)

Mount Redoubt has blown its spout. Throwing ash and soot about.

Sarah Palin Jokes, How Original! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27297761)

Wow, you are all so witty with your Sarah Palin jokes! Those definitely didn't get old!

15 240 meters (4, Funny)

haeger (85819) | more than 5 years ago | (#27297895)

Since everyone but Myanmar, Liberia and the United States use the metric system I just thought I'd point out the hight of the ash cloud.

In case you don't know this obscure "ft" unit. ;-)

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