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China Blocks YouTube, Again

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the well-played-well-played dept.

Censorship 127

cryfreedomlove brings news that YouTube has once again been blocked in China. The Google-owned video site was censored in China last year because of videos about the protests in Tibet, and that may be the impetus behind this latest restriction. According to a New York Times report, "'The instant speculation is that YouTube is being blocked because the Tibetan government in exile released a particular video,' said Xiao Qiang, adjunct professor of journalism at the University of California, Berkeley... Mr. Xiao said that the blocking of YouTube fit with what appeared to be an effort by China to step up its censorship of the Internet in recent months. Mr. Xiao said he was not surprised that YouTube was a target. It also hosts videos about the Tiananmen Square protests and many other subjects that Chinese authorities find objectionable."

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first (2, Funny)

interested pyro (1499899) | more than 5 years ago | (#27329899)

methinks that China needs to be brought out of the stone age like MAtthew Perry did many years ago....

Re:first (-1, Troll)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330151)

Shut the fuck up you idiot: if you think Americans are better than the chinese with their corrutped oligarchic system, then you need to buy yourself a clue: the fact is you're no freer than even the sorriest Chink.

Fuck Obama and his what he means with change (i.e.: pennies to the people, notes and gold to themselves).

Fuck America, its CIA and its corporations.

Fuck Slashdot for keeping their visitors hypnotized by all that made-in-China shite while at the same time remaining unconscious of what the world they though the geek (whatever this label means to these sorry fucks) shall inherit is indeed becoming.

I actually despise you.

Re:first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27330675)

die in a fire you lying fascist republitard twatwaffle sack of shit, no wonder your handle is "hitler"...

Re:first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27330233)

who cares what china blocks

Re:first (4, Insightful)

severoon (536737) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330399)

I guess the YouTube posters got all cocky when "The River Crab Wears Two Watches" and "Grass Mud Horse" didn't get it blocked...

This is an unfortunate development. For a bit there, it looked like China might be going more open, but I guess the infantilization of their people is more important. :-/

Re:first (2, Informative)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 5 years ago | (#27331007)

I'm surprised this story is about China and not the UK. I guess it's only a matter of time - "UK Blocks Wikipedia" has already happened.

Typical for an American to think... (-1, Troll)

denzacar (181829) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330405)

...that watching a sitcom will solve anything. Even one as popular as Friends.

An really... wasn't Joey more popular than Chandler?

Re:Typical for an American to think... (3, Informative)

MetaPhyzx (212830) | more than 5 years ago | (#27331013)

That would be Commodore Matthew Perry, who opened up Japan by threat of force.

I wasn't sure if you were just trying to be funny...

Re:Typical for an American to think... (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 5 years ago | (#27334549)

Yeah, I was quite aware of that.

I was feigning arrogance and ignorance - unlike the GP who proposes that one of the world's oldest civilizations, and home of a quarter of the world's human population "be brought out of the stone age".
And suggesting, by mentioning Commodore Perry, that it should be done by force.
By a country of mere 306 million, who owe a shitload of money to the above mentioned "stone age" country.

But I guess that subtle humor is an elegant weapon, for a more civilized times.
At least on slashdot.

Re:Typical for an American to think... (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 5 years ago | (#27335231)

Yeah, I was quite aware of that.

I was feigning arrogance and ignorance - unlike the GP who proposes that one of the world's oldest civilizations, and home of a quarter of the world's human population "be brought out of the stone age".

They are an extremely old civilization. I just wonder if maybe they've gotten a bit senile.

Re:Typical for an American to think... (1)

interested pyro (1499899) | more than 5 years ago | (#27335417)

I am sorry. I didn't memorize every fact that History class stuffed into my brain. If there is another instance of China being forced to face the present, please, SHOW ME!! I would love to change my post to accommodate your "EVERYONE IS SPECIAL!!!" ways.

Re:first (1)

kokojie (915449) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330777)

To be fair, Australia and UK also keeps a blacklist of websites, some are political websites such as pro-life sites. Some states in the US also keep a blacklist of urls at the state level (ISP in the state are required to block these url).

Re:first (1)

Tyris (1315133) | more than 5 years ago | (#27335719)

Australia doesn't (yet) force the blacklist upon us though...

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27329901)

FP

Re:FP (-1, Offtopic)

interested pyro (1499899) | more than 5 years ago | (#27329925)

srry kid. gotta be faster on the mouse... for now, I am the fastest clicker in this part of the web....

Re:FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27330079)

No, you anc't have fp.

Not yours.

in soviet china... (0, Redundant)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 5 years ago | (#27329909)

...the tubes block You!

Re:in soviet? china... (1)

Aklyon (1398879) | more than 5 years ago | (#27335693)

wouldn't it be in communist, not soviet?

What should Google do? (4, Interesting)

sabre86 (730704) | more than 5 years ago | (#27329993)

My initial response is that Google should just ignore the blockage -- stick by the free speech principles that they purport to support.

But it is my hope that Youtube, blogs and similar sites have a positive effect on subverting the PRC government's policies of censorship and thought control, even when censored. Wikipedia suggests that this is true, with sexual content becoming less censored around 2004 [wikipedia.org] . It's also clear that the Chinese populace is willing and at least somewhat to subvert such censorship, as indicated by the "Ten Mythical Creatures [wikipedia.org] " meme.

So, though it galls me, perhaps Google should aim for some sort of middle of the road response to maximize the subversion of China's anti-free speech policies.

--sabre86

Re:What should Google do? (4, Interesting)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330145)

My initial response is that Google should just ignore the blockage

When in Rome...

But it is my hope that Youtube, blogs and similar sites have a positive effect on subverting the PRC government's policies of censorship and thought control, even when censored.

Thought control is nonexistant. Chinese media may seem that way from the outside, but you have to understand that people are much more critical when they know it's controlled.

A seemingly irrelevant quote [wikipedia.org] : "Strangely enough, Hungarians living outside of Hungary - especially those living overseas - never really understood Hofi's message. This wasn't because of a language barrier: it was a consequence of drastically different experiences regarding certain historical events."

He became a legend not because he was critical, but because he said what everyone in the country was thinking anyway.

Re:What should Google do? (4, Insightful)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330255)

A seemingly irrelevant quote [wikipedia.org]: "Strangely enough, Hungarians living outside of Hungary - especially those living overseas - never really understood Hofi's message. This wasn't because of a language barrier: it was a consequence of drastically different experiences regarding certain historical events."

He became a legend not because he was critical, but because he said what everyone in the country was thinking anyway.


Every crazy leader you've ever heard of was like that. We get more and more dissatisfied with living under the system we're in, until one day, some madman who doesn't care about political correctness stands up and says "We're all thinking the same way, lets get those motherfuckers!", and everyone follows them because they were the sanest person who was willing to lead them against their enemies.

It has to be a madman, because they're the outsiders. The insiders are paralyzed into indecisiveness by what they stand to lose, and are crippled by their tendency to use traditional methods to achieve their goals, which is a liability when you're trying to create a fresh new system.

Re:What should Google do? (1)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330821)

Every crazy leader you've ever heard of was like that. We get more and more dissatisfied with living under the system we're in, until one day, some madman who doesn't care about political correctness stands up and says "We're all thinking the same way, lets get those motherfuckers!", and everyone follows them because they were the sanest person who was willing to lead them against their enemies.

It has to be a madman, because they're the outsiders. The insiders are paralyzed into indecisiveness by what they stand to lose, and are crippled by their tendency to use traditional methods to achieve their goals, which is a liability when you're trying to create a fresh new system.

In the name of the Hungarian people, let me say: FUCK YOU. Hofi was not a leader, he was a comedian. He never tried to tell anyone what to do, except "stop being stupid". We loved him precisely because of that. And because he was not afraid to tell that to those in power as well.
There are few things you can do to piss off a Hungarian: calling Hofi a madman is one of them.

RTFWiki.

His death created an enormous vacuum in Hungarian comedy, and it is a common consensus among people who witnessed his performances that there may never be another comedian like him. Even today, he is referred to as "The Hofi", with the definite article. He was indeed a national institution.

Hofi's historical significance - beyond his obvious merits as a comedian - was that he maintained his identity and dignity in a totalitarian regime where most others would have bailed. He can never be compared to those stand-up comedians who were making fun of politicians while living under a democratic government.

mod parent informative (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27333783)

I didn't know who was Hofi was until I read the parent comment.

Re:mod parent informative (1)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27335665)

I linked it in GGGP... That's what I get for assuming slashdotters can read the first sentence of a link [wikipedia.org] before replying.

Géza Hofi (born Géza Hoffmann, July 2, 1936 in Budapest; died April 10, 2002 in Budapest) was a Hungarian actor and comedian.

Re:What should Google do? (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 5 years ago | (#27335271)

I can see your point. The guy had big brass balls.

Re:What should Google do? -shieldwolf (1)

One Brave Prune (1470115) | more than 5 years ago | (#27331821)

great post very thought provoking

Re:What should Google do? -shieldwolf (1)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27333007)

Too bad he didn't read what he was replying to.

Re:What should Google do? (1)

NoobixCube (1133473) | more than 5 years ago | (#27335507)

I always use traditional methods to get things done. It just happens that I introduce new traditions into my life and throw out old ones every few hours. A recent tradition is no less a tradition! :P

Re:What should Google do? (1)

noundi (1044080) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330319)

...but you have to understand that people are much more critical when they know it's controlled.

Yeah people are in no way easily manipulated, especially highly educated people such as the Chinese that are tought from birth to question authority.

Re:What should Google do? (1)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330947)

Yeah people are in no way easily manipulated, especially highly educated people such as the Chinese that are tought from birth to question authority.

Which is why China will never be as totalitarian as the US.
</troll>

Re:What should Google do? (1, Funny)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330163)

Youtube2.com, a full mirror of regular Youtube. Just keep making new ones until China gives up.

Re:What should Google do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27330565)

Deny youtube*.com

Re:What should Google do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27334715)

WHOOOOOOSHH!!

China have censored part of the internet? (5, Insightful)

Hasney (980180) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330023)

I'll alert the presses!!!!!

Re:China have censored part of the internet? (1, Funny)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330213)

I'll alert the presses!!!!!

Tell me, Mr. Anderson... what good is a phone call... if you're unable to speak?

Re:China have censored part of the internet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27330657)

You fucking better. This is news for nerds, this is stuff that matters. Bigtime.

Re:China have censored part of the internet? (1)

Beyond_GoodandEvil (769135) | more than 5 years ago | (#27331145)

You fucking better. This is news for nerds, this is stuff that matters. Bigtime.
Like water still wet, fire still hot?

Their Last Straw... (1)

A. B3ttik (1344591) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330025)

This certainly isn't the First Anti-China Video on Youtube, and from TFA, the Chinese Government was in the practice of blocking individual videos.

I guess the Tibetan Beating Video was the straw such that the Chinese Government just said, "Aw, screw it. Ban the whole thing."

It's not like no one saw it coming, but whats really scary is not that Chinese Citizens sit by and take this... but that from what I understand, they _condone it_ and even expect it.

Re:Their Last Straw... (0, Flamebait)

Anonimouse (934959) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330155)

The question is of degree. YouTube and other websites have been and will continue to be blocked or censored provided they do not adhere to local laws or sentiments. In the place of China you should also include Thailand (nothing derogatory about the king), Turkey (don't mention the "genocide" against Armenians, most of the middle east (porn), UK (knives and anything deemed pro-terrorist or deemed as such), Germany (no holocaust denial). The list goes on and on. This idea unfortunately mostly by westerners, that they should somehow "subvert" any country that doesn't agree with their views or actions is nothing but a hangover from colonialist attitudes of supremacy.

Re:Their Last Straw... (3, Insightful)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330569)

Turkey (don't mention the "genocide" against Armenians

Killing hundreds of thousands [wikipedia.org] of people deserve a bit more than quotation marks, don't you think?

Germany (no holocaust denial)

Which is fucked up itself. Any historical truth is only worth as much as it is allowed to research. Jailing people for asking "has that really happened?" is not freedom of speech.

Lying about a massacre of that degree should or should not be a crime, depending on your political views, but researching it? And if I find something contrary to the "truth" set in law, am I a criminal for saying it? Does even a historian [wikipedia.org] not have the right to his own opinion anymore?

I don't deny the Holocaust, but there's a certain amount of doubt in me against any fact you have to protect by force of law. That's Thought Police, even if what they're defending is true.

Re:Their Last Straw... (1)

Anonimouse (934959) | more than 5 years ago | (#27332513)

"Killing hundreds of thousands [wikipedia.org] of people deserve a bit more than quotation marks, don't you think?" No, because Turkey doesn't view it as Genocide. So that was legitimate use of quotes to get a point across. "Which is fucked up itself......" I agree. So what's your point? My argument was that this continual ZOMG! China! is rediculous because we and other countries do *exactly* the same kind of censorship. Sometimes just as blatant and other times more insidiously.

Re:Their Last Straw... (1)

Anonimouse (934959) | more than 5 years ago | (#27332825)

No idea why my original post was modded flamebait. Rediculous.

Re:Their Last Straw... (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330741)

It's their one great fear: disintegration/segmentation.

China seems to be the only ancient empire that managed to maintain intact to the modern time. Any other contender?

The real story (4, Funny)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330033)

Secret footage of Mao Tse-Tung wearing a really comfy pair of Italian loafers. The Tibet stuff is a cover story.

Tiananmen Square (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27330041)

I can't believe this isn't talked about more. I can't believe it didn't come up before they decided to let them host the Olympics.

You guys know they put a bunch of farm boys into tanks and had them roll into Tiananmen Square and start shooting students, right? Shooting from their tanks onto balconies.

What do you think happened to that guy standing in front of the tank (you know the picture)? You think he's still alive? Can you imagine the courage it took to do that?

And the world rewarded these murderers with the Olympic Games.

Re:Tiananmen Square (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27330229)

As far as I know I read somewhere the guy from this famous footage was not killed during the protests.

But I agree with you, the world is ignoring too many things. When the maoists seized the power in China they killed 60 000 000 people... 60 MILLION, thats like, a bit more than population of UK

But you know the rule: when it isn't clear what it is about, its about money. China and the west exist in a symbiotic relationship, each acts more or less in order not to annoy the other one much.

~Dreen

Re:Tiananmen Square (3, Interesting)

u38cg (607297) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330433)

It's called realpolitik. While I and many others would love to ostracise China until they choose to reform, let's consider what happened last time we tried it on Germany in 1919. A billion angry, resourceful, intelligent people is *not* a country I want to go to war with, no matter how many of their own people they massacre. Their own citizens are slowly starting to figure out that it's not quite right; things will change eventually.

Re:Tiananmen Square (1)

NoobixCube (1133473) | more than 5 years ago | (#27335539)

All western nations should be taking the Chinese government as a chilling vision of things to come, and watching the Chinese people to see how the fuck we can get out of our future mess. My bet is there'll be a few more craters on the surface of the earth, and a few more chapters in our anthologies of war (I mean... "history books") before the world changes for the better. I don't think war is the right answer - civil or otherwise - but I do think it's the answer people will choose.

Yeah but... (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330441)

That was one AWESOME opening ceremony, wasn't it?

Re:Yeah but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27331703)

No; it was the retroactive worst opening ceremonies ever. They mimed the performance of a non-cute girl using a much cuter one, they showed kids representing the ethnicities of China (except that they were really all Han), the "footprints" leading to the stadium were fake, BSODs were happening on their projectors, etc...

Re:Yeah but... (1)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 5 years ago | (#27332999)

I think he was talking about the massacre.

Re:Tiananmen Square (1, Interesting)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330445)

The students were viewed as dangerous radicals, set to change China from an Iraq-style stable dictatorship into an Iraq-style civil war with a democracy wrapping on top. They were elitists who had very little support outside their own little clique. However, they were lionized and idolized by certain Westerners who found the famous photo romantic, and for no other reason.

PS the Olympic games are for sale to whoever wants to pay. I thought we settled that back when Salt Lake City got caught for bribery (it worked, too).

Re:Tiananmen Square (1)

BigHungryJoe (737554) | more than 5 years ago | (#27331779)

China also views Falun Gong/Falun Dafa as dangerous radicals, and they are anything but. And there's a fair number of them.

Re:Tiananmen Square (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27334711)

China also views Falun Gong/Falun Dafa as dangerous radicals, and they are anything but.

How do you know the Falun Gong aren't dangerous? They used to firebomb newspaper offices if the paper dared to criticize them, which makes them terrorists by any definition. They are also heavily funded by the U.S. -- their leader, Li Hongzhi, lives in New York. Why shouldn't China be suspicious of them?

Re:Tiananmen Square (2, Insightful)

Logic and Reason (952833) | more than 5 years ago | (#27333291)

And that makes it OK to send in a bunch of tanks and start shooting at them?

Re:Tiananmen Square (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27333567)

It's also worth remembering that the '89 Tiananmen square demo was almost exactly 70 years after the previous Tiananmen square student demo. And the earlier one was the first public action by the movement that fomented the communist revolution.

So you can see why the Chinese govt was a bit edgy.

Re:Tiananmen Square (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27331033)

Keep in mind that every country has it's injustices, not just China. Nazi Germany mudering 6 million people, I'm sure, is far worse than that. Americans toturing and mudering Africans because of their skin pigment. Americans tricking and lying to native Americans during the pre-colonial era just for land. WWII US Government sends Japanese peole into internment camps due to fear of national security. Red Scare in Cold War - US. Government uses fear to try to run out so called "Commies". Don't think that your pretty little democracy is perfect either, idiot.

Re:Tiananmen Square (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27331635)

but I'm Canadian!

Re:Tiananmen Square (1)

bitrex (859228) | more than 5 years ago | (#27334527)

Around 6 million Jews were killed during the Holocaust - the total death toll is estimated to be more than twice that - but of course there can only ever be rough estimates as there is ample evidence that the Nazis kept incomplete records and that the records were tampered with after the war for the benefit of various aggrieved parties, particularly the Soviets. Even from my elementary school days, however, the "and some other people" in the modern Holocaust narrative have gotten short shrift, so I'm not surprised you wouldn't know about them. There are enough inconvenient truths on all sides about World War 2 to fill a hundred textbooks; I think if a person wants to starts throwing accusations about who did the "most evil" during that conflict one should be prepared to do enough research to see how far the rabbit hole really goes.

Re:Tiananmen Square (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27331065)

And the world rewarded these murderers with the Olympic Games.

I sure as hell didn't, I protested hosting the games there and protest China's censorship. I guess people are still discounting these protests.

In soviet ... (4, Interesting)

houghi (78078) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330055)

In Soviet America sites block you. [slashdot.org]

(I am glad I can't moderate myself, as I would have no idea wether this is troll, funny or insightfull. Oh well. I have way too much karma anyway.)

Re:In soviet ... (0, Offtopic)

Hasney (980180) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330207)

In Soviet Slashdot, karma burns you!

Re:In soviet ... (1)

IQgryn (1081397) | more than 5 years ago | (#27334331)

...I would have no idea wether this is troll, funny or insightfull.

It seems you were wrong on all counts. +5 interesting isn't bad, though.

Time of Troubles (0)

cagrin (146191) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330117)

The establishment is getting closer to their goal of world government and trying to silence dissenters lest the majority wake up and stop their plans. It will get much hotter yet. Take the Red pill.

Re:Time of Troubles (2, Insightful)

cagrin (146191) | more than 5 years ago | (#27332063)

Ignorance and apathy are the two most dangerous diseases of our time, and very difficult to cure.

Great firewall of... wtf? (4, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330183)

Okay, seriously; They've invested tens (if not hundreds) of millions of dollars into a national infrastructure informally known as the "Great Firewall of China". And yet they block sites wholesale rather than by keyword, URL, or a dozen other possibilities? If they're trying to keep this as transparent to the population as possible, why constantly block and unblock popular sites? It just compels people to ask the question "Why do they keep blocking/unblocking this site?" And the answer is only a google query away.

I'm not arguing for or against censorship here, I'm merely pointing out that it's difficult to imagine that they lack the most basic capabilities of censorship software that is sold commercially and globally elsewhere, and that it is not technically challenging to impliment those features. Why spend millions on an infrastructure item that lacks even the most basic features needed for its intended use?

Re:Great firewall of... wtf? (5, Insightful)

hengdi (1202709) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330299)

It IS transparent to the population of China. I live here, and its just not an issue even with the net-addicted teenagers I teach every day. They all use Chinese video sites, and the only people annoyed by this are us westerners.

Think of it this way: how many Chinese language sites do you go to every day? Would you notice if a few got shut down? That, my friends, is the reality of this to the average Chinese person.

Now, if they shut down WOW, we'd have a revolution today!

Re:Great firewall of... wtf? (2, Insightful)

Salgat (1098063) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330379)

People typically don't make a fuss over what they are used to. The issue is that of civil liberties and the right to information. It may not be a big issue there, but for many of us we feel that every person has that right.

Re:Great firewall of... wtf? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27330531)

So the new strategy should be:

1. Create a Chinese site
2. Make it popular with Chinese
3. Get the Government to ban it
4. Watch the revolution start

Re:Great firewall of... wtf? (1)

pisto_grih (1165105) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330793)

5. ...

6. Profit!! (I post way too many of these.)

Re:Great firewall of... wtf? (1)

kokojie (915449) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330895)

You can't. Sites hosted outside of China are too slow to become popular with people in China.

MOD PARENT UP! :) (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330697)

You make an excellent point. I've always operated under the assumption that english was taught rather pervasively, and so they would also use english sites.

Re:MOD PARENT UP! :) (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27331831)

heh.. Spanish is taught a lot in the US... how many teenagers do you see using Spanish websites?

Re:MOD PARENT UP! :) (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#27335173)

Spanish is taught a lot in the US... how many teenagers do you see using Spanish websites?

Not many.

Re:Great firewall of... wtf? (4, Informative)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330331)

Youtube isn't globally popular:
http://www.youku.com/ [youku.com]

Facebook isn't globally popular:
http://www.zhanzuo.com/ [zhanzuo.com]

MSN messenger isn't globally popular:
http://www.qq.com/ [qq.com]

And in fact there is a cloned super-sanitized version of every web service that exists, so the majority of people just don't notice or even care.

Re:Great firewall of... wtf? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27331521)

The Chinese Facebook would be http://xiaonei.com/ [xiaonei.com]
Same layout, colors and everything.

Re:Great firewall of... wtf? (2, Insightful)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330355)

I'm not sure if youtube is as popular in china as it is over here, or if there is a native type video site that is more popular because it was founded and grew in the culture it intends to serve rather than than be adapted and spread by its foreign owners. Google isn't number 1 everywhere. It just seems that way.

I wonder how many people would react if the number 2 or number 3 video site in America disappeared for a week or two. (assuming, of course, that we have been conditioned to accept bullying and censoring from the government and ISPs bent on controlli

Re:Great firewall of... wtf? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27330383)

The answer is simple: By blocking an unblocking, they pressure the content providers to self-censor. China is a huge market, and if they block all of YouTube, it gives YouTube incentive to remove the offending posts, greatly increasing their ability to control content on the web.

They are already get used to it (2, Insightful)

Clarious (1177725) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330483)

I guess people in China has already get used to censorship, when they can't access something, they won't get curious and then just go do something else.

You might said that no one would do that, but remember the cultural differences, Chinese People has had censorship for thousands of years. Back then, if your name has the same word as the emperor, you are doomed, your head will get cut off if you insult the emperor etc...

Yes, now the youth with influence from the west might do different, but it will take a long time for Chinese to be aware of what is really going on.

PS: I don't live in China, but in its neighbor country which has the same problem.

Chinese have many ways getting around censorhsip (3, Informative)

masupra (1515683) | more than 5 years ago | (#27334593)

What got censored are only those official news/reports/articles. If you live in China and surf the web, you'll know that almost any information can be published in an alternative way, and the government is doing nothing about it. Just take one example, 'Tiananmen Massacre' or '6.4'(the date it happened) is banned, but you can always use something like 8^8 to say 6.4 in another way, and every Chinese reading the post knows what it means. Or you can Acronym of Pinyin for a word, such as ZF for 'government', GCD for 'Communist Party', FLG for 'Fa Lun Gong', etc. I am a Chinese working in the US and I post on popular Chinese web sites almost every day for all contents I want, never a problem. The key is, you have to understand the culture background to get around the censorship. Getting blocked by posting 'let's over throw the communist party' in plain English or Chinese only shows you lack the basic common sense to deal with censorship, which is a skill many Chinese are good at. An added benefit of censorship is it makes people very skeptical and critical on whatever is being reported by media. While I found many American blindly believe what was reported by BBC/CNN/NYT, most Chinese take the news report with a huge grain of salt. That is why CCTV of China is officially called CCAV (adult video) by many Chinese citizens. As a Chinese who has deep root and understanding with China's culture and current development, what I want to clarify is, most Chinese don't care about censorship. Because most ordinary Chinese only cares about economy (like most people in other countries do). The current law and policies in China offers relatively fair and open environment to most citizens. People have no right for direct vote, but you can mostly joke around most political stuff without the worry of being thrown into jail (if you know how people call Hu Jintao 'bro Hu', Wen Jiabao 'baby' in his face (bao can mean baby in Chinese), that's enough for most people -- even in America, with so many Bush haters, they only provide lip service, how many of the Bush haters actually sued him in court or draw a gun and start shooting in Crawford? I often found Westerners have a laughable and condescending view upon China. They tend to think Chinese government is evil and Chinese people are stupid, they label all Chinese people who don't agree with them as 'brainwashed', they refuse to call the Muslims who blew buses packed with innocent people terrorists simply because they are against Chinese government, and they foolishly believe Dalai Lama is a peace lover even he never apologized for his past as a slave owner and was on CIA payroll for more than 20 years (as a slave owner in Tibet you can legally kill a slave and use his skull as a bowl). btw you don't get killed by having the same name with the emperor, but you do need to change your name. It is a tradition in ancient China that emperors use very rare words as their names so most people don't have to worry about this kind of 'naming collision'

Screw China. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27330345)

China sucks.

Re:Screw China. (-1, Offtopic)

denzacar (181829) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330493)

Shut up with your Asian fetish already!
We get it! You like Asians, OK, fine.

WHOOSH! (0, Offtopic)

denzacar (181829) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330929)

WHOOSH!

Re:WHOOSH! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27332047)

There was a joke in there somewhere?

Re:Screw China. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27330653)

You met her?

China rocks! (0)

noisany (1515507) | more than 5 years ago | (#27330775)

You may condemn China. You may hate China. But does it matter? It never does! Face it. now, even US is begging China to save its economy via not saying not to buy its treasury. And China is pushing to create new global currency. Smell something? The world is changed. All *tube* kind of web sites (you can search them) have something kind of dirty stuffs, you know it. I strongly support Chinese government to have censorship on these matters. Never listen whatever others say like this site.

Re:China rocks!? (0, Flamebait)

cdpage (1172729) | more than 5 years ago | (#27331451)

China does not 'ROCK' they are what they are because they whored themselves out to worst rapist there is...next to themselves of coarse.

That's a big hit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27330813)

So one Tibet video can get all of YouTube shut off for a billion people?

Big hitter, the Lama.

Who cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27330899)

Who cares? Nobody used youtube in china. It sucks.

I say who gives a crap (1)

DigitalReverend (901909) | more than 5 years ago | (#27331001)

I don't live there, it doesn't affect me. If I did live there and it did affect me, I would stand up and do something about it even if it meant giving up my own life. Apparently the half billion people that live there are satisfied with how life is otherwise they'd stand up and overthrow their own government. I am ready to do the same here, if our government keeps heading in the direction its going.

Re:I say who gives a crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27331585)

I don't live there, it doesn't affect me. If I did live there and it did affect me, I would stand up and do something about it even if it meant giving up my own life. Apparently the half billion people that live there are satisfied with how life is otherwise they'd stand up and overthrow their own government.

I am ready to do the same here, if our government keeps heading in the direction its going.

AMEN! Seriously though

Re:I say who gives a crap (1)

ridewinter (754545) | more than 5 years ago | (#27333587)

I don't live there, it doesn't affect me.

China's lack of freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and free elections are incredibly scary to me. It may not seem like that big of a deal right now, as they try to play nicely with the world. But what happens in 20 years when they become the richest & most powerful nation, and no longer have the incentive to play fairly? They have complete control over their people due to the lack of the above democratic checks. The Chinese people have no idea about the genocides committed in their near past, Tiananmen Square, etc. What happens when the most powerful nation on earth lacks any kind of social discourse??

Re:I say who gives a crap (1)

DigitalReverend (901909) | more than 5 years ago | (#27334683)

I said half a billion, looks like I was off. The population of China when I looked here [chinability.com] at 3:36pm Eastern Daylight Time on 25 March 2009 showed a population of 1,319,175,333 people.

One would assume that only a portion of that number is government and military. Another portion is either too young or too old, but I am sure that still leaves a big enough population to stand up against their government and end the oppression. For whatever reason, those people choose not to do so. Their government is their responsibility, not ours. Now if the government of China tries to pull the same crap here in the states, they will find we don't roll over so easy and there will be people who will stand up against them. For me, I am ready to give up my life before I would ever live under such rule as the Chinese people CHOOSE to live under.

Tibetan government in exile is really annoying. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27331415)

Tibetan government in exile is really annoying.
Ppl in China are happy and get richer and richer.
Ppl in Tibet are Chinese and who care the slaver master's Tibetan government in exile.
There r 2 major brunch of religions and 4 more super lamas in Tibet. OK, Dahlai is important but he is just one of them. Would you like to be slaver of Dahlai under the name of human right? Please! Free Tibet and Be a Slaver.

 

I think this story is a bit blown up (0)

One Brave Prune (1470115) | more than 5 years ago | (#27332027)

I don't know where people got the idea that laws are soveirgn, but when you have a government with over a billion people I imagine the rules change quite a bit. In fact, I wouldn't mind blocking youtube in America; maybe I would be a little more productive at home. :P

Bad news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27332035)

I dont get it, why this action took place. One should accept the fact that unfortunate events take place. By blocking Youtube, it just shows a negative image on part of China
Ali (www.geekword.net)

Tunisia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27332629)

Youtube has been blocked in Tunisia for a year now and nobody has unblocked it, despite how popular it is.

pot v. kettle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27334817)

Censorship?
Try getting info about American casualties in Iraq/Afghanistan. Somebody don't want you to know.

Try finding about the race of the suspects in the latest criminal acts in your neighborhood. Somebody don't want you to know they are usually blacks.

We are obviously much superior to the lowly Chinese.

Re:pot v. kettle (1)

aplcr0331 (1198817) | more than 5 years ago | (#27335125)

Are you talking about our (US) casualties or the deaths of A-Stan/Iraqi people? You can get those pretty much any time you want. Hers a few I found with a quick Google searhc: http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/ [antiwar.com] http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx [icasualties.org] http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ [iraqbodycount.org]

Re:pot v. kettle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27335579)

A few years ago the censors prevented the release of photographs of rows of coffins containing Americans killed in Iraq.
I guess the thought was that public sentiments may turn against what has proven to be a war based on false pretenses.

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