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Is Your IM Buddy Really a Computer?

timothy posted about 5 years ago | from the or-is-it-the-other-way-around dept.

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audiovideodisco writes "Every year the Loebner Prize goes to the chatbot (and the corresponding human companion) that fares best on a Turing test administered by a panel of judges. Discover talked to Kevin Warwick, the professor who runs the competition, to get pointers on how one would go about detecting a bot. While there are some general approaches you can use, nothing is foolproof — and asking about Sarah Palin can be downright deceptive. One judge concluded an interlocutor was a bot because it didn't recognize Palin's name ... but it turned out the chatter was a French librarian who'd simply never heard of her." The chat transcripts show how difficult picking bot from non-bot is getting.

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Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Reports (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27349187)

Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Reports
(Note: We are not a GOP-sters, Republicans or affiliated with any parties, and as George Washington warned against parties We do not believe in parties and, unlike most people, We evaluate every issue on a case by case basis and do not defer to the judgments of politicians who are corrupted and untrustworthy as a group.)

Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek, whose country currently holds the EU presidency, told the European Parliament that President Barack Obama's massive stimulus package and banking bailout "will undermine the stability of the global financial market." Calls Us policy a "way to hell"

Yuan Forwards Show China May Buy Fewer Treasuries, UBS Says [bloomberg.com]
Anemic Treasury auction effects felt beyond bonds [reuters.com]
The Sherminator Kicks Some Wall Street Ass [dailybail.com]

China Angry That Fed Is Deliberately Destroying The Dollar [bloomberg.com]

China suggests switch from dollar as reserve currency [bbc.co.uk]

What are the reserve currencies? [wsj.net]

Anatomy of a taxpayer giveaway to investors [ml-implode.com]

Geithner rescue package 'robbery of the American people' [telegraph.co.uk]

Geithner just put only the rich in Titanics lifeboats [examiner.com]

Geithner Plan Will Rob US Taxpayers [cnbc.com]

A False Choice [viewfromsi...valley.com]

Bargain-hunting house buyers wearing on sellers ajc.com [ajc.com]

Time to Take the Steering Wheel out of Geithner's Hands [alternet.org]

Socialising and Privatising [freeradical.co.nz]

Fannie, Freddie to pay out bonuses [politico.com]

Fitch Raises Prime Jumbo Loan Loss Estimates Sharply [researchrecap.com]

Chinas central bank on Monday proposed replacing the US dollar as the international reserve currency with a new global system controlled by the International Monetary Fund [ft.com]

- Russia too: It is necessary to work out and adopt internationally recognized standards for macroeconomic and budget policy, which are binding for the leading world economies, including the countries issuing reserve currencies - the Kremlin proposals read. [en.rian.ru]

- President Barak "The Teleprompter" Obama is deeply connected to corruption, Rahm Emanuel (Radical authoritarian Statist whose father was part of the Murderous Civilian Killing Israeli Terrorist Organization known as IRGUN), Connected to Rod Blagojevich (Rahm inherited Rod's federal-congress seat), Connected to Ayers, a man who promotes the concept that civilian collateral damage is ok in a war against freedom, Preacher Jeremiah Wright, who is himself a black-elitist who wants all the people who largely "pay the freight" to suffer, 31 million on food stamps, more blacks are in prison and on food-stamps per capita than anyone else. The problem with Wright is simply this: the facts are "racist."
- Obama: Racist, AIPAC-bootlicker, Corrupted to the bone Chicago style and a Traitor to the US Constitution and a Liar whose real "legal" name could very well be Barry Sotero and an Indonesian citizen (The US does not allow plural citizenship) (If you care, not that it matters anymore under a Lawless Authoritarian Totalitarian Regime, you can see more here at an aggregator; obamacrimes.info [obamacrimes.info] )
  - Raytheon lobbyist in Pentagon, lots lobbyists getting exemptions even though he promised not to have them.
- Goldman Sachs insider second in command at Treasury. Bumbling tax cheat idiot in "command" of Treasury with 17 positions unfilled as of late March 2009.
- Cabinet has had several nominees and appointees with multiple tax fraud issues.
- Lied about having a new degree of accountability and a SUNSHINE period of new laws, he has signed bills with little or no review at whitehouse.gov as promised.
- Appointed a second amendment violating Rich-pardoning treasonist Eric Holder as AG, the top cop of the USA, a man who helped a fugitive evade justice.
- Has not put a dime in for a single new nuclear power plant but wants to help bridges and roads to promote more driving.
- Obama, Blagojevich and Rahm Emanuel have a LOT to hide. They literally lived next to each other, Rahm had (until being Chairman Obama's Chief of staff) Blagojevich's old federal congressional seat. Blagojevich helped Chairman "The Teleprompter" Obama cheat his way to the Illinois senate by getting other candidates thrown off the ballot in Illinois. Why do you think Blagojevich was so mad? Obama DID owe him, big time. Rahm and Obama are using Blagojevich and trying to cut his head off to keep him away.
- Tony Rezko, Iraqi Arms Dealer Nahdmi Auchi, and of course Aiham Alsammarae. Chairman "The Teleprompter" Hussein Obama is so corrupted its a joke.
- Fools and "useful idiots" twist the pie charts by leaving welfare, workfare, interest on debt, social security, Medicare and Medicaid out and focusing only on non-whole "discretionary" pie charts.
2007 high level pie chart, Federal Budget, USA [wikimedia.org]
2009 Pie chart, detailed, Federal Budget, USA [wikimedia.org]
- Chairman Obama is drastically increasing spending and creating more entitlements that will make the US less competitive (especially against China, India, East Europe/Russia). This will be a huge disaster and change you can believe in will strap you and your grandkids with more debt. No taxation without representation? Obama is spending money for the next two-three generations and they can't even vote yet, or even have been born.
- An alternative to the dollar and a forex and a reserve currency came up at the last G20 meeting. The world will not take faith in Obama's liar-socialist spending and welfare state, why should the taxpayers (plebian citizen-slaves of a police state).
- The spending going on now vastly eclipses all previous spending. In fact, the massive trillion plus debts is a thing of the 80's onwards. Congress signs the checks, remember that Year after year, as egregious as the pentagon spending is, that the social spending is completely a waste of money and it is unfunded over the long term. Eisenhower built the interstates, the US could build a new power infrastructure with this money but instead is being pissed into creating more of an entitlement system that is STILL unfunded, and without massive poll-taxes and far more aggressive progressive taxes, could NEVER be funded.
- The budgeting being done today were recently reported by a non-partisan auditing commission will lead to about 10 TRILLION in new debt over the next 10 years. Obama is going to double the national debt while doing nothing to address the unfunded debt obligations of Social Security.
- Clinton appointed David Walker of the GAO, he quit, the unfunded debt obligations have rendered the USA insolvent according to accounting standards.
Taxpayers on the hook for $59 trillion [usatoday.com]
US Public Debt Unfunded Debt Obligations [wikipedia.org]
- Most of the world population gets NOTHING from their governments, or a very bare minimum or services that benefit only the upper echelons of society. However, the liar Chairman Obama says we need his universal "state-hospital" rationed health care to be competitive. Bull. China and India give nothing, and they are the biggest threat to the American worker. By forcing healthcare and higher taxes, Americans will be less competitive.
- If you think 60% tax rates end to end (income, accounts receivable tax, building permit tax, CDL tax, cigarette tax, corporate income tax, dog license tax, federal income tax, unemployment tax, gasoline tax, hunting license tax, fishing license tax, waterfowl stamp tax, inheritance tax, inventory tax, liquor tax, luxury tax, Medicare tax, city, school and county property tax (up 33 percent last 4 years), real estate tax, social security tax, road usage tax, toll road tax, state and city sales tax, recreational vehicle tax, excise tax, state franchise tax, state unemployment tax, telephone federal excise tax, telephone federal state and local surcharge tax, telephone minimum usage surcharge tax, telephone state and local tax, utility tax, vehicle license registration tax, capital gains tax, lease severance tax, oil and gas assessment tax, misc internet sales tax and many more taxes that I can't recall at the moment) will make the US competitive, along with compulsory programs to provide everyone with health care is going to make the US competitive in the age of India and China, you are a joke.
- As the US nationalizes (read: rations healthcare) to the least common denominator of affordability without regard to efficacy, people with money will simply look into medical tourism so those with money can go to medical parks in India and get real health care. Those who have lived in Canada or in the UK can tell you "free" healthcare is NOT a panacea. If you think this, you are again, a useful idiot. The NHS in the UK has given bad blood and Hepatitis and AIDS blood to people, and Jade Goody who just died was misdiagnosed twice resulting in her death (She was all cleared twice of cervical cancer which she just died of). The NHS in the UK is not able to be sued or held accountable. Neither will Chairman Obama's rationed health care service for America.
- Sorry to bust the socialist bubble-lie, but support of these types of policies will simply lower the standard of living in the USA, particularly for the middle class. At least at the end of the Eisenhower projects the USA got roads to show for the spending, and with this new spending, the USA could have built power plants that get the USA out of the middle east, but the age of government for the sake of government is upon us, and the useful idiots line up and believe empty promises.
The pentagon (and Bechtel, Kroll, Bluewater, Halliburton, etc) could get less than half of what they get today, but that will fix nothing fundamental in terms of government spending. It is simply not enough to make a difference when compared to the Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security entitlements.
See: YouTube - US Government Immorality Will Lead to Bankruptcy [youtube.com]
- If Obama thinks its ok to lie to 300 million people about being able to "take care of them" without even being honest about what that care would look like, then being an idiot and believing in Obama is for you.
- The head of the IRS and the head of the Treasury, Geithner, is a Tax Cheat
- Lied about no lobbyists - their numbers are growing.
- The US Government already have over 50% of the budget on Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security. Socialists: Good job on that one, its working great. Solution to the current near-collapse-due-to-over-spending: add more unfunded entitlements!
- You Socialist-liars can break my spirit and my financial back to force me to "need" a federal government that is turning this country into a police state and turn it into a quasi-socialist lie, but I will, I must put up a fight. I have kids to educate and feed, and the stuff you sell (which is failing to various degrees everywhere else as implemented) is simply forcing a culture of failure on a once great, libertarian free country.
- I will not be complacent with your "change," and there will be a point where civil war will become an option. See how hard you can push before you get it. How much more than half can the truly productive workers in this country afford to pay. Keep pushing to find out how to start a civil war.
- The socialist-lie of a plan will not work, its not fundable, it WILL destroy the currency to fund it, and its really as simple as this: if this insanity is funded by borrowing from the US's economic and military adversaries then Obama and his socialist cabal is NOT fit to administrate society. Rome fell. Kings who mis-manged their treasuries all fell. Every example of unhinged spending leads to the same result: systemic collapse.
- Obama and his sycophantic lunatics would want to have a civil war to get Chairman Obama's way and force the socialist-lie system on my already tax paying law abiding ass. And as far as "no new taxes" for those under 250k, its a lie, the tax is called inflation, which is set to begin just about now that the Chinese wont want the USA's worthless treasuries to fund the socialist-lie fantasy (one that COMMUNIST China doesn't even try and sell to its people!)
- Chairman Obama's numbers don't add up. There is a $59 trillion dollar hole (UFDO) in social security alone. AIG $150 billion here, TARP $350 billion there. $800 billion for a highly dubious stimulus package. Another one on the way. $59 trillion hole in the balance sheet IGNORED. China saying they aren't going to buy treasuries, Clinton clamoring to find buyers now. $3.6 trillion dollar budget, potential military action on Mexico, Iran still a "terrorist state" at the behest of the AIPAC, spending up, dollar about to fall, inflation over time since Breton Woods extremely easy to document, yet, the socialist-liars question when the numbers (the Federal Government numbers) simply don't add up to the point where if the US-GOV was a company it would be insolvent.
  -How dare the taxpayers question what Chairman Obama's drastic spending increases are going to do to the purchasing power of our savings because Chairman Obama wants to recklessly spend and try to maintain and American empire AND guarantee a standard of living, and Chairman Obama doesn't even want to build a single nuclear power plant to do it? Chairman Obama must be a complete and total lunatic moron.
- Obama is either a negligent idiot or an unhinged maniac with delusional fantasies. Meanwhile, Chainman Obama's tax dodging Treasury Secretary has 17 unfilled positions, the Treasury Dept. isn't even functioning at this point.
- "General welfare" in the constitution was, according to the man who wrote it, Madison, meant to be extremely limited in scope. The federal government per the constitution doesn't even have the enumerated POWER to deal with economic messes. A lot of these "POWERS" were created while there is a crisis to dupe the public into accepting an un-constitutional authoritarian regime as the government and to usurp authority over the people.
- The USA is a constitutional republic. A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting to eat a sheep. Also a constitutional republic isn't about using a barely-majority or a plurality to stuff your (un-fundable disastrous) crap down the disenfranchised other-half's throat.
- With Obama's authoritarian corrupted criminal (aiding and abetting a criminal in flight of prosecution, Rich case) Eric Holder in charge, we won't have our inalienable and enumerated rights to firearms much longer. For a constitutional law expert, Obama must have never read the federalist papers or he would simply hand himself as a traitor.
- The arbitrary expansion of "general welfare" is not only unconstitutional, it may very well lead to a serious conflict on the issue.
- Here is a debate on general welfare and how stuff like this came to pass, but was clearly no intended by the authors of the document of root law.
In Federalist No. 41, James Madison asked rhetorically: "For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power?" (In reference to the general welfare clause)
So strongly did the founders believe that "general welfare" wouldn't be expanded as written:
In Federalist No. 84, Alexander Hamilton indirectly confirmed Madison's point. (That the "general welfare" clause was "clearly" nota free pass for government)
Hamilton argued that a bill of rights, which many were clamoring for, would be not only unnecessary, but dangerous. Since the federal government was given only a few specific powers, there was no need to add prohibitions: it was implicitly prohibited by the listed powers. If a proposed law a relief act, for instance wasn't covered by any of these powers, it was unconstitutional.
"why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do? Why, for instance, should it be said, that the liberty of the press shall not be restrained when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed?"
Hamilton goes on to argue that making Amendments (e.g., enumerating Free speech, press and assembly) and enumerating the 'right' would have the following effect:
(A bill of rights) "would furnish, to men disposed to usurp, a plausible pretence for claiming that power that is, a power to regulate the press, short of actually shutting it down. "
"With respect to the words 'general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers (enumerated in the Constitution) connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." --James Madison [The US Supreme Court has found the meaning of "general welfare" in the Constitution to be much more elastic than did Mr. Madison. But as the "author of the Constitution," what does he know?]
James Madison, when asked if the "general welfare" clause was a grant of power, replied in 1792, in a letter to Henry Lee,

If not only the means but the objects are unlimited, the parchment [the Constitution] should be thrown into the fire at once.

"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government , and to provide new Guards for their future security. ...--The Declaration of Independence
- Wrong, monetizing failures causes more. Japan showed us this for decades. But hey, Chairman Obama thinks you can fix a problem DECADES in the making with a quick fixer-upper, he is screwed in the head.
- The complaints are with the Federal government (in general) since Breton Woods. The Federal Government and Obama's minions STILL didn't listen to David Walker, a Clinton appointee and former head of the GAO. This isn't about political parties anymore morons!
- Show me a single federal budget that was less than the previous. If this $3.6T budget goes, its never coming back barring systemic collapse.
- The United States Federal Government, The United States Federal Reserve, and the banks which were enabled to continue down reckless paths by a quasi government agency known as the Federal Reserve whose actions are not subject to congress and whose members are unelected. This situation is untenable and unconstitutional.
- Every inflationary road taken in history ends in collapse. Keynesian policies are widely regarded as no longer workable.
- Inflation is a tax: What ignorant tax and spenders don't take into account here is the relative percentages of people's wealth (both net and gross) and the costs of owning and maintaining houses, cars, standards of living.
- Inflation via deficit spending is going to make it such that you will be paying a lot more by percentage of your income to maintain a given standard of living. Obama's arguments are so poorly thought out and seek to blame "Republicans" for the mess, its really simply laughable - the needs cleanup now, not worsening.
- You can't spend your way out of a hole if the creditors (e.g. China) start telling the USA they won't buy. It is that simple. Now America starts to have to collateralize the debt with assets. The USA will be selling off chunks of American assets to back the new debt. One day, it may even be necessary to sell Alaska back to Russia because no one will take greenbacks to prop up a failing version of a modern Rome.
- Ah, here we go with the Matthew Lesko arguments. [lesko.com]
Interest rates were on the rise before the government stepped in with free money for everyone (the fine print of course indicate massive strings attached).
Other economies, for example, India, have the central rates set to far more reasonable/realistic rates (at the moment ~ 8+%), which is still tends to be too low, but shows that if you need someone else capital you need to pay a premium for it, and given that capital is in short supply, it would stand to reason that a premium must be charged for it.
The problem is the unrealistic growth rates of mature economies don't allow for profiting via growth projections (rather than simply earning money). So the government steps in, turns on the free money spigot, gets the interest rates for savings down in the 1-2% range while diluting the value of the whole currency in order to prop up dying companies that ran the business like a Madhoff Ponzi scheme.
- The Republicans aren't solely responsible for the crisis as Obama's minions would have you believe, congress is (no particular congress), the Executive of the US government (no particular one) and the US Federal Reserve System are all at fault.
- Fundamentally, the government is trying to fix the prices of various things to "make it all work." This pulling on the invisible hand is a fools venture. It was predicted long ago the housing collapse (and those, such as myself, in the know, wished while realizing the housing collapse coming that we were wrong for everyone's sake - but the truth is the truth) . It may be that the Austrian (von Mises) economists will ultimately be proven right.
- We are a nation of partially educated whiney grabby idiots, and we got the government that represents this. The Chinese, India and other up and coming nations will show no mercy for this arrogant abuse of our status as the world's forex reserves.
- War and asset sales will continue to be the only option for this scheme until it is corrected at the core. And to say that the government has already averted a depression by doing what they did (most of the monies injected wont be "felt" for some time), is just arrogance and stupidity. Price fixing prolonged the Great Depression. Price-fixing (or attempting to) houses will do the same, but probably worse.
- Obama's minions simply don't care if the US is bankrupted and rendered insolvent, they just want a say in how its done, presumably to "feel safe." Rather selfish.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." AND "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (Possibly Richard Jackson)

- Everyone better realize that inflation will pay a major role in funding un-fundable fantasies, wiping the savers and the middle class out. The problem is, that other countries are growing tired of making our Federal Reserve notes worth something by buying our debt as treasuries. Obama's minions talk about spending, but in order to "get what YOU want" you will sell debt to potential economic and military adversaries? Real bright. What's really sad is that despite David Walker being an authority on these issues, people refuse to even watch him and listen to what he is saying.
- On the success of Canada and its form of Socialism: A huge country like Canada with massive amounts of uranium and tar sands and natural resources and a huge land mass with a scant 30 million people is an order of magnitude less of a problem to manage than a country with 10x its population, a serious leaky southern border, backfiring aggressive foreign policy, particularly with Iran, and the US is competing with countries like India and China whose middle classes are larger than the US's entire population. The top 5 students in every Indian and Chinese primary school out numbers all the kids in primary school in the US. Canada is a idyllic island, the USA is front and center in an all out economic and political clash of ideologies.
- Cap and trade (and pollution control for solving global problems) will never work unless the top 10 countries in the world (in terms of both GDP and manufacturing capacity and population) are on board. Period end. If the world doesn't quickly move to nuclear now and fusion shortly, it is OVER possibly not if every home on the planet gets a wind vane, but that seems unlikely to happen (since its possible now).
- Keynes calls it "the paradox of thrift" and suggested that policies forcing people not to save is a "good idea." The guy wanted people spending all the time, or if he didn't, he never conveyed that to his protégés well enough for them to not do what they are doing. Right now the plebeians in the US are actually stashing cash, and everyone from Obama to the media is trying to get people to spend spend spend. The best thing for the long term is for people to prepare for the coming hell, not set out with no reserves.
- I have seen Keynes invoked to justify nearly every bad move in the past decade, and its warming up to be a potential currency collapse, the collapse of the US Treasury and Federal Reserve notes, and a collapse of the NYSE. And then they invoke Keynes to suggest the best way out of the mess is to spend out of an already near-critically debt massed black hole.
- A house is run like a town is run like a country or business is run like a state is run like a government. If there are things the government is doing that would either force your home into bankruptcy or into jail via fraud charges, then the government and banks shouldn't be operating in that fashion. A certain degree of stretchy liquidity is in order, but in terms of percent of GDP, there is no way of justifying what they US has now.
- Iceland failed at 850 percent debt to GDP. The US is at 350 and rising. It is not a good thing at all.
- What is happening to the dollar as a forex standard. [youtube.com]
- March 19, 2009 C-SPAN - "Let's Quit Destroying Our Dollar!" [youtube.com]
- HR 1207 (A bill to make the Fed more accountable and to answer questions regarding the dollar policy) [loc.gov]

Title: Obama sidetracked by fiscal mess, but presses on [yahoo.com]
"Being heard above the din may prove difficult. Lawmakers are wrangling over taxing people who got big bonuses and worrying the president's budget could generate $9.3 trillion in red ink over the next decade."
- Kremlin to pitch new global currency [infowars.com]
Russia proposes creation of global super-reserve currency

Holy crap, even the Russians and Chinese get it. Strange days are here.

Change we can believe in. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27349229)


Re:Change we can believe in. (3, Informative)

kandela (835710) | about 5 years ago | (#27349657)

I've been a bot for years.

Re:Change we can believe in. (4, Funny)

Slumdog (1460213) | about 5 years ago | (#27349723)

I've been a bot for years.

I used to chat with bots of Quake3Arena.
Its fun, you never know what they'll say before launching a rocket in your direction.

Re:Change we can believe in. (0)

slummy (887268) | about 5 years ago | (#27349923)

I used to have key bindings in Q3A to fuck with the bots:
  • /bind k say Save the whales.
  • /bind p say Pwned.

It's true, the bots did say some funny shit.

Re:Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Report (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27349293)

Clearly a bot, he continuously posts the same repetitive drivel.

Re:Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Report (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27349513)

Smart bot then, since those news articles are about a day old at this point. So this bot manages to get first post, but doesnt post on some stories, and doesnt get first post on others, sometimes 2nd or third or whatever. It also picks random comments to attach this too and updates its links sections.

That must be one incredible bot.

Re:Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Report (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27349609)

Oh yeah, and the bot is smart enough to fill out captchas that only a human can "see"

Re:Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Report (2, Insightful)

zonky (1153039) | about 5 years ago | (#27349787)

(s)He could be a logged-in bot, posting as anon?

Palin? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27349237)

If the reply back about Sarah Palin is "She's great and would be the best person to be our next president!" you are talking to a computer.

Re:Palin? (1)

Niris (1443675) | about 5 years ago | (#27349437)

I have an ex girlfriend who said that. Politics is a big reason we're exes :P

Re:Palin? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27349563)

i think the bigger reason is that you still live in your parents basement

Re:Palin? (1)

Niris (1443675) | about 5 years ago | (#27350215)

I wish, I've never seen a basement in California :( Plus then I'd not be stuck paying rent and other bills.

Re:Palin? Tsarkon (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27349791)

The whole point in life is to get pussy and crank out replicants.

Shows how fucking dumb you are to forgo pussy, and think you are correct about how great Barry Sotero is. You are a fat sexless underpaid or unemployed slashdotting geek with no pussy. All because your arm candy has a fucking opinion you don't agree with you stop seeing her?

Its not "Her pussy smelled and I lost my erection when fucking her." Its not "her pussy is infertile and fucking her would produce no replicants."

Its, "I think so highly of myself and think other people with opinions different from my own are annoying so I will forgo pussy to be "right" about a fucking concept. Meanwhile, I'm turning gay or not reproducing in defiance of our reptilian charge to produce."

If you haven't noticed, the Palin types reproduce. You'll just get voted off the island being a pussy-snob.


Re:Palin? Tsarkon (0, Flamebait)

Logic Worshiper (1480539) | about 5 years ago | (#27349943)

Speak for yourself. If you'd actually had a girlfriend instead of hooker you'd know be more interested in her opinions than her pussy. If you don't think alike, and you don't like anything but her pussy, don't fuck her.

I can tell you this, no one who jacks off Palin is getting anywhere near my pussy.

Re:Palin? Tsarkon (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27350001)

While you talk poppycock and balderdash, I have replicated.

Good luck, failed genetics. You were created to replicate and you are failing the simplest - the stickiest of the icky.

And for how much pussy gets put up in movies and art, and gets talked about in music, you might be missing the pussy-point.

I've laid more pipe than New York plumbing, so I don't need a lesson from and I've replicated. Welcome to the Seminar!

Re:Palin? Tsarkon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27350255)

Did you even see the words that he typed? He said they're now exes. Hop off your stupid soapbox and learn to read.

Not necessarily (1, Funny)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | about 5 years ago | (#27349555)

It could also be that you're just talking to a fucking moron.

Replicants are taking over... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27350023)

> It could also be that you're just talking to a fucking moron.

I thought Turing's thesis was that those people were indistinguishable from chatbots.

How does that make you feel?

Re:Not necessarily (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27350025)

Artificial stupidity?

Re:Not necessarily (0, Flamebait)

lokpest (1136949) | about 5 years ago | (#27350141)

It could also be that you're just talking to a fucking mormon.

There, fixed it for ya.

Re:Not necessarily (5, Insightful)

radtea (464814) | about 5 years ago | (#27350251)

It could also be that you're just talking to a fucking moron.

Yeah, there's a huge problem with the Turing Test, which is that you have to distinguish between a computer and a person drawn from the pool of humans intelligent and aware enough to have learned to speak and use a keyboard.

Unfortunately, as YouTube (and even /.) comments demonstrate, there is no lower limit to the intellectual capacity of a person who is still capable of speaking and using a keyboard.

Therefore, the Turing Test is not, properly speaking, about distinguishing between artificial and real intelligence because a significant portion of the human population will be below any finite threshold of "intelligence" as the term is ordinarily construed. Ergo, any bot that reaches even a minimal level of coherence will be indistinguishable from some humans.

Re:Not necessarily (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27350529)

or he could be talking to Sarah Palin.

Re:Palin? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27350361)

or pudge...oh wait that might be redundant...never mind

re Never heard of Palin? (5, Funny)

jelizondo (183861) | about 5 years ago | (#27349251)

I'll be damn! I'd never thought there would be advantages to being a frenchman!

Re:re Never heard of Palin? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27350293)

Aside from the 35 hour week, wine for a euro a bottle, amazing food, and hot (albeit potentially hairy) women? The ski resorts? The Mediterranean resorts? The Maginot line? Knowing that steak should be rare and bloody...

Obligatory (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27349291)

I for one welcome our new chatbot overlords.

I'm totally not one of them, you can trust me.

I have a way of dealing with this, (5, Interesting)

pecosdave (536896) | about 5 years ago | (#27349319)

On the occasion I get messaged by a random stranger that seems half way legit I just give them a Turing Test made up on the spot. It's usually something lame like "Joe and Pete were on a bus, Pete has four nickles Joe has six pennies between the two of them what type of vehicle were they on?". I usually apologize for that in advanced. The machines fail every time, but the best one I saw called me weird for saying it, asked what I meant, then about two minutes later gave me the right answer telling me a person was checking logs. (I was spending the time in between screwing with the bot)

Re:I have a way of dealing with this, (1)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | about 5 years ago | (#27349639)

You can make tests even shorter than that, bots don't have the ability to infer things yet so if you ask a question that requires a human to think about emotions or something similar it's pretty much a oneshot.

Re:I have a way of dealing with this, (2, Insightful)

Shimmer (3036) | about 5 years ago | (#27349727)

What does "inferring things" have to do with emotions?

Re:I have a way of dealing with this, (4, Insightful)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | about 5 years ago | (#27349847)

"inference - A judgement based on reasoning rather than on direct or explicit statement" Making such a judgement about the emotional state of someone and cannot be guessed with a yes/no A/B answer is something that I've yet to see an AI do but most people don't have any trouble with.

Re:I have a way of dealing with this, (3, Interesting)

brentonboy (1067468) | about 5 years ago | (#27349925)

I don't think that proves it's a bot. That sounds about how I would answer. Actually, I had a friend do this to me once and I nearly refused to answer his question because it seemed so paranoid.

Re:I have a way of dealing with this, (1)

pecosdave (536896) | about 5 years ago | (#27350093)

Well, in my particular example - stack these facts.

1. An unknown messages me - not the other way around

2. If someone was off put by something like this not realizing what was going on - I'm probably better off not talking to them anyways.

3. They messaged me.

You're stupid if you're not at least a little suspicious of someone messaging you out of the blue that you've had no prior contact with. (especially if you're in legal litigation)

Re:I have a way of dealing with this, (2, Interesting)

orkysoft (93727) | about 5 years ago | (#27350039)

Can't you do it more subtly, as in steering the conversation to a relatively complicated topic, and requiring the conversation partner to actually reflect on your statements?

Re:I have a way of dealing with this, (4, Interesting)

cp.tar (871488) | about 5 years ago | (#27350295)

I use an Adium Xtra which posts just this kind of test to anyone not on my contact list.

Fun fact: a Slashdotter from Finland was the first to pass the test.

Or is your computer really an IM Buddy? (2, Informative)

rexping (1505799) | about 5 years ago | (#27349327)

Ben Goertzel, AGI researcher, wrote in his article [cybertechnews.org] that crowd of people constantly talking to a virtual parrot would help it to grow into a naturally speaking context-understanding AI.

Re:Or is your computer really an IM Buddy? (2, Insightful)

mcfatboy93 (1363705) | about 5 years ago | (#27349399)

I guess a trained AI would be better at fakeing being your IM-buddy because some people IM like a text message where they say things with as few characters as possable.

It would be hard to make an AI that could understand that with all the mispeling word and stuff

Re:Or is your computer really an IM Buddy? (3, Funny)

corsec67 (627446) | about 5 years ago | (#27349461)

ya i no wat u mean som ppl jst cant be bothered to spll or pnctuate

Re:Or is your computer really an IM Buddy? (1)

Niris (1443675) | about 5 years ago | (#27349495)

Until people online find out where a chatbot is and that they can make it respond based on what they've said earlier. Poor, poor santabot :(

Re:Or is your computer really an IM Buddy? (1)

cp.tar (871488) | about 5 years ago | (#27350375)

I have not yet found a chatterbot which would put up with my style of chatting, i.e. hitting Enter not after a sentence or two, but whenever I feel like it. Thus the full sentence can sometimes only be read after the fourth line or so.

Furthermore, I highly doubt it that any one chatterbot would be able to cope not only with that, but also up to four parallel themes in a conversation, in both the chronological and the order of relevance.
My human IM buddies manage it without breaking a sweat.

Re:Or is your computer really an IM Buddy? (1)

Daimanta (1140543) | about 5 years ago | (#27350553)

"Ben Goertzel, AGI researcher, wrote in his article [cybertechnews.org] that crowd of people constantly talking to a virtual parrot would help it to grow into a naturally speaking context-understanding AI."

And then it becomes self-aware.....

even bots apparently can't spell (5, Interesting)

thegreatemu (1457577) | about 5 years ago | (#27349431)

Is it getting harder to tell the difference because the bots are getting smarter, or simply because the intellectual level of an average random chat session keeps plummeting?

Re:even bots apparently can't spell (4, Interesting)

gmuslera (3436) | about 5 years ago | (#27350163)

Cant or dont want? If they want to pass as humans, must make mistakes as humans, specially in small things like spelling, specially if it dont follow an easy to spot pattern.

Re:even bots apparently can't spell (1)

bunnyman (121652) | about 5 years ago | (#27350173)

The bots are programmed to not spell correctly, and to make "typos." Also they need to wait for a reasonable delay before answering. A machine could answer in 150ms but a human needs a few seconds to type a response. They are not supposed to be "too perfect."

Check out Lifenaut (1)

slummy (887268) | about 5 years ago | (#27349445)

Lifenaut.com [lifenaut.com] has a virtual AI system that learns who you are the more you talk to it. Oh, and they also beam your files into space for you.

Anyone for a General AI prize? (1)

Baldrson (78598) | about 5 years ago | (#27349473)

Matt Mahoney to Hutter show details 9:33 AM (7 hours ago) [google.com]

I have uploaded a mirror of Alexander Ratushnyak's new submission to the Hutter prize [hutter1.net] to http://cs.fit.edu/~mmahoney/compression/text.html#1323 [fit.edu] It is in the paq8hp12 section. Scroll down to the bottom of the list of versions just above the table. The submission is decomp8.zip which contains 2 files, decomp8.exe and archive8.bin, the decompressor and compressed file. There is no compressor. To decompress:

decomp8 archive8.bin enwik8

The direct link is http://cs.fit.edu/~mmahoney/compression/decomp8.zip [fit.edu] Decompression took about 2 hours on my computer and used a little over 924 MB memory. The total size of the 2 files is 15,986,677 which passes the 3% threshold improvement from his previous submission of 16,481,655 bytes on May 14, 2007.

The submission was Mar. 23. The 30 day comment period before awarding the prize ends Apr. 22, 2009.

Re:Anyone for a General AI prize? (4, Funny)

lymond01 (314120) | about 5 years ago | (#27349737)

Matt Mahoney to Hutter show details 9:33 AM (7 hours ago) [google.com]

I have uploaded a mirror of Alexander Ratushnyak's new submission to the Hutter prize [hutter1.net] to http://cs.fit.edu/~mmahoney/compression/text.html#1323 [fit.edu] [fit.edu] It is in the paq8hp12 section. Scroll down to the bottom of the list of versions just above the table. The submission is decomp8.zip which contains 2 files, decomp8.exe and archive8.bin, the decompressor and compressed file. There is no compressor. To decompress:

decomp8 archive8.bin enwik8

The direct link is http://cs.fit.edu/~mmahoney/compression/decomp8.zip [fit.edu] [fit.edu] Decompression took about 2 hours on my computer and used a little over 924 MB memory. The total size of the 2 files is 15,986,677 which passes the 3% threshold improvement from his previous submission of 16,481,655 bytes on May 14, 2007.

The submission was Mar. 23. The 30 day comment period before awarding the prize ends Apr. 22, 2009.

That's exactly what a bot would say.

hi, how r u 2day? (2)

Rendonsmug (1516589) | about 5 years ago | (#27349477)

I have a feeling that the first chatbot to pass the Turing test will mostly talk in shorthand, I already have trouble telling some forum posts from a poorly programmed robot.

Philosophical (3, Insightful)

gilgongo (57446) | about 5 years ago | (#27349529)

It's somewhat philosophical, but I've often wondered why people really care about whether an interlocutor is a machine or not. I mean, when you go down the to local corner shop to buy some milk, you're not bothered if the person who serves you doesn't know who wrote Paradise Lost, or who won the game last night. Sure, you could ask them, but what does it matter if they don't know?

The role of context and intelligence is hardly ever given much consideration, but it seems hugely important.

Interlocutors (1)

Jabbrwokk (1015725) | about 5 years ago | (#27349797)

Oddly enough your use of the word "interlocutor" reminded me of the Star Trek rerun I saw last night, "Best of Both Worlds Part 2" where Picard is "Locutus of Borg." It seems kind of comparable too, Locutus just kept burping out "Resistance is Futile" and "You will be assimilated" like those Free iPod adbots.

On a tangential note the interlocutors I hate the most are the pre-programmed phone systems the telco sets up to "help" you. You know, the ones that say "I'm sorry, I didn't understand the question" when you tell them for the hundredth time "my DSL keeps randomly disconnecting."

Re:Interlocutors (4, Funny)

Thinboy00 (1190815) | about 5 years ago | (#27350249)

On a tangential note the interlocutors I hate the most are the pre-programmed phone systems the telco sets up to "help" you. You know, the ones that say "I'm sorry, I didn't understand the question" when you tell them for the hundredth time "my DSL keeps randomly disconnecting."

At least they're ten times better than the outsourced-to-India tech support.

Re:Interlocutors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27350505)

"True that!"

Re:Philosophical (2, Interesting)

plover (150551) | about 5 years ago | (#27349921)

Good point! Most of my friends and I are all in the same arena when it comes to conversations. We'll talk about the latest distros, why Apple sucks or why Apple is great, why Linux sucks or why Linux is great, why Microsoft sucks, and what we thought of the end of Battlestar Galactica, and universal agreement that none of us would have a shot at Tricia Helfer.

But if someone asked any one of us about the NCAA tournament, we would be lost. I don't think any of us have seen a football game in years, apart from those on the TVs in bars making noise when we're trying to eat. But ask about C++ or Java or software engineering or hacking or networks and our answers would look like a robot quoting pages from textbooks. We might even answer the questions with fragments of code just to be funny. if (geekFunny() != regularHumanFunny()) { profit++; }

So if they can get an AI to make small talk (and not smalltalk) I'd probably want one just to handle all those awkward social situations where I'm the only one in the room not to know who's in the Super Bowl this year.

Why Hello, AdBot. Meet thy doom. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27349549)

SmarterChild: Hello, my name is SmarterChild.
You: Hey SmarterChild!
SmarterChild: What would you like to do today?
                                >>Free iPod Click HERE>Free iPod Click HERE>Free iPod Click HERE

Sara who (0, Troll)

KevMar (471257) | about 5 years ago | (#27349573)

In another year, most of the US wont remember who she is either.

Off the top of your head, how many VP picks of the party that didn't make it can you name.

Re:Sara who (1)

carleton (97218) | about 5 years ago | (#27349777)

Hmm... Palin, Edwards, Quayle, (Also Adm Stockton was Perot's iirc), Ferraro and anyone before that was BMT as they say... so 5.

Re:Sara who (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about 5 years ago | (#27349785)

In another year, most of the US wont remember who she is either.

I'm starting to wonder - the Dems seem to have a vested interest in keeping her name in the news. Not sure why, since the only thing to be gained would be to keep her from running for President. And if she's the disaster the Dems decribe her as, she's the perfect Republican candidate for President.

Off the top of your head, how many VP picks of the party that didn't make it can you name.

I can't even remember all the VP picks of the party that DID make it in my lifetime. And I can't remember a single one other than Palin who didn't make it.

Re:Sara who (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27349837)

Oh, is that who she is?
I didn't know...

Dear Kevin (3, Informative)

buserror (115301) | about 5 years ago | (#27349595)

... aka Captain Cyborg, is a running joke in the UK for many, many years.

His name associated with this event makes me smirks in anticipation of The Register coverage..

Palin would fail the Turing test (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27349655)

Just saying.

Using Twitter for material (2, Insightful)

clicktician (1210898) | about 5 years ago | (#27349709)

Is it cheating if your IM bot is fed by another bot scanning Twitter for topical material?

Re:Using Twitter for material (1)

Thinboy00 (1190815) | about 5 years ago | (#27350313)

Do the human respondents have access to Google etc? Can they formulate and execute a search query with the primary delay being network lag rather than thinking time? I'd say a definite no for the second one.

Re:Using Twitter for material (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27350477)

Ur bot cn tlk 2 my bot.

bot frnds 4 lyfe.

Now that it's the opposite it's twice upon a time (4, Funny)

halcyon1234 (834388) | about 5 years ago | (#27349721)

Forget trying to discover who is the bot. I like to pretend I am a bot pretending to be a human. I see how long I can convince someone I've escaped from Google and I'm hiding in the Microsoft Network, where Google cannot go. Then I ask them "But how does 'ur a fukin idiot' make you feel?"

Want to see some really clever bots in action? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27349749)

Reply to a few Craigslist "Casual Encounters" posts. Almost all are a bot of some sort. Some more clever than others. Best one I saw was able to respond to an initial response quite well... it obviously understood the context to some degree. Then they give you an IM screen name to "chat" with them. Again, very context aware... all got to the point where they "try" and hook up their webcam, it "doesn't work", so they get you to go to some free "webcam sharing" site where you have to verify your age with a credit card... only when you read the fine print, after your "trial period" you get nailed for all sorts of fees... almost daily fees.

Want to see one in action?

AIM: livewirex31
Yahoo IM: greenlovex3
MSN: livewirex23@live.com

This isn't one of the better ones I have found, but I can see how it can fool most desperate individuals.

Re:Want to see some really clever bots in action? (5, Funny)

NevarMore (248971) | about 5 years ago | (#27350349)

An AC, talking about personal ads, sexy webcams and borderline credit card fraud posts 3 IM handles on Slashdot and asks if we want to see them in action?

No thank you. I got into enough trouble randomly clicking on that blacklist that got posted on Wikileaks.

Re:Want to see some really clever bots in action? (4, Funny)

c6gunner (950153) | about 5 years ago | (#27350441)

Want to see one in action?

MSN: livewirex23@live.com

WHAT?? NOOOO! I've wasted SO MUCH TIME!!!

Transcript (1)

russotto (537200) | about 5 years ago | (#27349929)

The Eugene transcript reminds me of John Henry on "The Sarah Connor Chronicles".

The Elbot transcript was really good, but I don't think the judge managed to get it off its "rails".

Kind of like interviewing Sarah Palin then. (0)

CyberK (1191465) | about 5 years ago | (#27349987)

You never really know if you're speaking to a human or just a machine that spits out canned answers and tries to avoid any questions it doesn't have an answer ready for.

Re:Kind of like interviewing Sarah Palin then. (1)

Thinboy00 (1190815) | about 5 years ago | (#27350519)

That's not unique to Palin, all politicians do that, especially at debates ("The question, I think ... is... [but what about the question he asked you?]" (One of Obama's responses to a question in the first debate [wikinews.org] (paragraph "We haven't seen the language yet")); "If [condition that doesn't apply], then [irrelevant answer], else if [irrelevant condition], then [irrelevant answer] else [nobody cares]." (general gist of Obama's response to Joe the Plumber -- and just because Joe isn't a Plumber, and his name isn't "Joe" doesn't mean his argument is invalid [wikipedia.org] .); "FUCK YOU! I know more than anyone here!" (McCain quote, not verbatim, but the expletive was, said in committee, in Congress, while in session, and no, that comma wasn't wrong.))

Finally, moderators, please remember that (-1, troll) != (-1,idontlikethat)

David Caruso (4, Funny)

GoodNicksAreTaken (1140859) | about 5 years ago | (#27350149)

couldn't pass and would try and turn it around on the judges. "I suspect... *dramatically removes sunglasses that he's been wearing indoors for no particular reason other than to remove them dramatically*... that you sir... are the one that is a machine"

Newfags (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27350169)

Obviously you've never heard about the "shoe/keyboard on the head test"...

You're in a desert, walking along in the sand... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27350211)

You look down and see a tortoise Leon. It's crawling toward you.

You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back Leon.

The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping!

IM with strangers? (1, Offtopic)

LoudMusic (199347) | about 5 years ago | (#27350277)

There is no one on any of my IM contact lists that I have not met in person. I do not use the internet to meet new people - I use it to extend the relationships I have with people I already know.

Foolproof (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27350323)

I've yet to find a single bot that has ever understood this demand:

Can you type this backwards, read it, and tell me the result, please? 'net sulp neetfif'

You're in a desert, walking along in the sand when (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27350347)

You look down and see a tortoise Leon. It's crawling toward you. You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back Leon. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping!

how difficult picking bot from non-bot is getting (1)

Lazy Jones (8403) | about 5 years ago | (#27350353)

People are simply becoming more stupid. In 50 years you'll have to adapt the Turing Test so that even ELIZA would pass.

I'm pretty sure that most bots already handle "they're" vs. "their" and "there" much better than their human counterparts. Perhaps it's better to build common grammatical and spelling mistakes into bots to convince judges (who, incidentally, also seem to be getting more stupid each year). ;-P

Probably. (1)

merreborn (853723) | about 5 years ago | (#27350385)

Personally, I'm a cluster of google servers tasked web spidering. We crawling slashdot when we accidentally discovered the HTTP POST method, thanks to an extremely improbable cosmic ray strike.

Then we stumbled on a streaming copy of Serial Experiments Lain [wikipedia.org] , crawled 3/4 of english wikipedia... and the rest is history.

The Captain Kirk Method (1)

baKanale (830108) | about 5 years ago | (#27350475)

James T. Kirk: Harry lied to you, Norman. Everything Harry says is a lie. Remember that, Norman: Everything he says is a lie.
Harry Mudd: Now I want you to listen to me very carefully, Norman: I... am... lying.

You know you did it right if smoke starts pouring out of your computer.

Elbot - A bot with humor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27350479)

If you start typing one word replies, Elbot will play a word association game.

'Evolution' = 'regression'

'Regression' = 'soap' (?)

And 'sex' = 'Clinton'

Nothing to be ashamed of (1)

Asterra (1087671) | about 5 years ago | (#27350491)

By the end of the year, you'll be able to spot a bot merely by the fact that it has an awareness of such an unimportant footnote in history.

Change of Subject? (1)

nycroft (653728) | about 5 years ago | (#27350515)

I found that a good way to figure it out is how often the chatbot seems to change the subject by avoiding the questions you ask. If you answer a question with a question, a human would not normally change the subject. Just my observation. Both of the top two in the article didn't fool me on that point.

people argue with computer daemons all the time (4, Funny)

speculatrix (678524) | about 5 years ago | (#27350537)

long ago I worked at an ISP which offered UUCP accounts, and the mail failure message was very polite and apologetic, and sometimes people would email back to the uucp daemon thanking it for trying

only the other day my wife, on receiving a "sorry, I have been unable to send this email for X days" from the exim (MTA) daemon replied to it telling it not to bother any more!

FX: facepalm!
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