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Technology Scans Giant Fish Schools

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the for-great-harvests dept.

Earth 31

rhettb writes "Employing a new technology, MIT engineers have studied the origins of a mass gathering of hundreds of millions of fish and their subsequent migration. This is the first time a mass migration of animals has been studied from beginning to end, according to their paper published in Science. Until now biologists have depended on theory rather than data from the field, employing computer simulations and experiments in the lab. The MIT engineers employed a new technology, Ocean Acoustic Waveguide Remote Sensing (OAWRS), to record the mass migrations in detail. Developed by Makris and his team in 2006, the OAWRS is able to take images of an area 62 miles (100 kilometers) in diameter every 75 seconds. The system relies on sending sound waves that locate objects by bouncing off of them."

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Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Reports (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27349567)

Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Reports
(Note: We are not a GOP-sters, Republicans or affiliated with any parties, and as George Washington warned against parties We do not believe in parties and, unlike most people, We evaluate every issue on a case by case basis and do not defer to the judgments of politicians who are corrupted and untrustworthy as a group.)

Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek, whose country currently holds the EU presidency, told the European Parliament that President Barack Obama's massive stimulus package and banking bailout "will undermine the stability of the global financial market." Calls Us policy a "way to hell"

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Chinas central bank on Monday proposed replacing the US dollar as the international reserve currency with a new global system controlled by the International Monetary Fund []

- Russia too: It is necessary to work out and adopt internationally recognized standards for macroeconomic and budget policy, which are binding for the leading world economies, including the countries issuing reserve currencies - the Kremlin proposals read. []

- President Barak "The Teleprompter" Obama is deeply connected to corruption, Rahm Emanuel (Radical authoritarian Statist whose father was part of the Murderous Civilian Killing Israeli Terrorist Organization known as IRGUN), Connected to Rod Blagojevich (Rahm inherited Rod's federal-congress seat), Connected to Ayers, a man who promotes the concept that civilian collateral damage is ok in a war against freedom, Preacher Jeremiah Wright, who is himself a black-elitist who wants all the people who largely "pay the freight" to suffer, 31 million on food stamps, more blacks are in prison and on food-stamps per capita than anyone else. The problem with Wright is simply this: the facts are "racist."
- Obama: Racist, AIPAC-bootlicker, Corrupted to the bone Chicago style and a Traitor to the US Constitution and a Liar whose real "legal" name could very well be Barry Sotero and an Indonesian citizen (The US does not allow plural citizenship) (If you care, not that it matters anymore under a Lawless Authoritarian Totalitarian Regime, you can see more here at an aggregator; [] )
  - Raytheon lobbyist in Pentagon, lots lobbyists getting exemptions even though he promised not to have them.
- Goldman Sachs insider second in command at Treasury. Bumbling tax cheat idiot in "command" of Treasury with 17 positions unfilled as of late March 2009.
- Cabinet has had several nominees and appointees with multiple tax fraud issues.
- Lied about having a new degree of accountability and a SUNSHINE period of new laws, he has signed bills with little or no review at as promised.
- Appointed a second amendment violating Rich-pardoning treasonist Eric Holder as AG, the top cop of the USA, a man who helped a fugitive evade justice.
- Has not put a dime in for a single new nuclear power plant but wants to help bridges and roads to promote more driving.
- Obama, Blagojevich and Rahm Emanuel have a LOT to hide. They literally lived next to each other, Rahm had (until being Chairman Obama's Chief of staff) Blagojevich's old federal congressional seat. Blagojevich helped Chairman "The Teleprompter" Obama cheat his way to the Illinois senate by getting other candidates thrown off the ballot in Illinois. Why do you think Blagojevich was so mad? Obama DID owe him, big time. Rahm and Obama are using Blagojevich and trying to cut his head off to keep him away.
- Tony Rezko, Iraqi Arms Dealer Nahdmi Auchi, and of course Aiham Alsammarae. Chairman "The Teleprompter" Hussein Obama is so corrupted its a joke.
- Fools and "useful idiots" twist the pie charts by leaving welfare, workfare, interest on debt, social security, Medicare and Medicaid out and focusing only on non-whole "discretionary" pie charts.
2007 high level pie chart, Federal Budget, USA []
2009 Pie chart, detailed, Federal Budget, USA []
- Chairman Obama is drastically increasing spending and creating more entitlements that will make the US less competitive (especially against China, India, East Europe/Russia). This will be a huge disaster and change you can believe in will strap you and your grandkids with more debt. No taxation without representation? Obama is spending money for the next two-three generations and they can't even vote yet, or even have been born.
- An alternative to the dollar and a forex and a reserve currency came up at the last G20 meeting. The world will not take faith in Obama's liar-socialist spending and welfare state, why should the taxpayers (plebian citizen-slaves of a police state).
- The spending going on now vastly eclipses all previous spending. In fact, the massive trillion plus debts is a thing of the 80's onwards. Congress signs the checks, remember that Year after year, as egregious as the pentagon spending is, that the social spending is completely a waste of money and it is unfunded over the long term. Eisenhower built the interstates, the US could build a new power infrastructure with this money but instead is being pissed into creating more of an entitlement system that is STILL unfunded, and without massive poll-taxes and far more aggressive progressive taxes, could NEVER be funded.
- The budgeting being done today were recently reported by a non-partisan auditing commission will lead to about 10 TRILLION in new debt over the next 10 years. Obama is going to double the national debt while doing nothing to address the unfunded debt obligations of Social Security.
- Clinton appointed David Walker of the GAO, he quit, the unfunded debt obligations have rendered the USA insolvent according to accounting standards.
Taxpayers on the hook for $59 trillion []
US Public Debt Unfunded Debt Obligations []
- Most of the world population gets NOTHING from their governments, or a very bare minimum or services that benefit only the upper echelons of society. However, the liar Chairman Obama says we need his universal "state-hospital" rationed health care to be competitive. Bull. China and India give nothing, and they are the biggest threat to the American worker. By forcing healthcare and higher taxes, Americans will be less competitive.
- If you think 60% tax rates end to end (income, accounts receivable tax, building permit tax, CDL tax, cigarette tax, corporate income tax, dog license tax, federal income tax, unemployment tax, gasoline tax, hunting license tax, fishing license tax, waterfowl stamp tax, inheritance tax, inventory tax, liquor tax, luxury tax, Medicare tax, city, school and county property tax (up 33 percent last 4 years), real estate tax, social security tax, road usage tax, toll road tax, state and city sales tax, recreational vehicle tax, excise tax, state franchise tax, state unemployment tax, telephone federal excise tax, telephone federal state and local surcharge tax, telephone minimum usage surcharge tax, telephone state and local tax, utility tax, vehicle license registration tax, capital gains tax, lease severance tax, oil and gas assessment tax, misc internet sales tax and many more taxes that I can't recall at the moment) will make the US competitive, along with compulsory programs to provide everyone with health care is going to make the US competitive in the age of India and China, you are a joke.
- As the US nationalizes (read: rations healthcare) to the least common denominator of affordability without regard to efficacy, people with money will simply look into medical tourism so those with money can go to medical parks in India and get real health care. Those who have lived in Canada or in the UK can tell you "free" healthcare is NOT a panacea. If you think this, you are again, a useful idiot. The NHS in the UK has given bad blood and Hepatitis and AIDS blood to people, and Jade Goody who just died was misdiagnosed twice resulting in her death (She was all cleared twice of cervical cancer which she just died of). The NHS in the UK is not able to be sued or held accountable. Neither will Chairman Obama's rationed health care service for America.
- Sorry to bust the socialist bubble-lie, but support of these types of policies will simply lower the standard of living in the USA, particularly for the middle class. At least at the end of the Eisenhower projects the USA got roads to show for the spending, and with this new spending, the USA could have built power plants that get the USA out of the middle east, but the age of government for the sake of government is upon us, and the useful idiots line up and believe empty promises.
The pentagon (and Bechtel, Kroll, Bluewater, Halliburton, etc) could get less than half of what they get today, but that will fix nothing fundamental in terms of government spending. It is simply not enough to make a difference when compared to the Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security entitlements.
See: YouTube - US Government Immorality Will Lead to Bankruptcy []
- If Obama thinks its ok to lie to 300 million people about being able to "take care of them" without even being honest about what that care would look like, then being an idiot and believing in Obama is for you.
- The head of the IRS and the head of the Treasury, Geithner, is a Tax Cheat
- Lied about no lobbyists - their numbers are growing.
- The US Government already have over 50% of the budget on Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security. Socialists: Good job on that one, its working great. Solution to the current near-collapse-due-to-over-spending: add more unfunded entitlements!
- You Socialist-liars can break my spirit and my financial back to force me to "need" a federal government that is turning this country into a police state and turn it into a quasi-socialist lie, but I will, I must put up a fight. I have kids to educate and feed, and the stuff you sell (which is failing to various degrees everywhere else as implemented) is simply forcing a culture of failure on a once great, libertarian free country.
- I will not be complacent with your "change," and there will be a point where civil war will become an option. See how hard you can push before you get it. How much more than half can the truly productive workers in this country afford to pay. Keep pushing to find out how to start a civil war.
- The socialist-lie of a plan will not work, its not fundable, it WILL destroy the currency to fund it, and its really as simple as this: if this insanity is funded by borrowing from the US's economic and military adversaries then Obama and his socialist cabal is NOT fit to administrate society. Rome fell. Kings who mis-manged their treasuries all fell. Every example of unhinged spending leads to the same result: systemic collapse.
- Obama and his sycophantic lunatics would want to have a civil war to get Chairman Obama's way and force the socialist-lie system on my already tax paying law abiding ass. And as far as "no new taxes" for those under 250k, its a lie, the tax is called inflation, which is set to begin just about now that the Chinese wont want the USA's worthless treasuries to fund the socialist-lie fantasy (one that COMMUNIST China doesn't even try and sell to its people!)
- Chairman Obama's numbers don't add up. There is a $59 trillion dollar hole (UFDO) in social security alone. AIG $150 billion here, TARP $350 billion there. $800 billion for a highly dubious stimulus package. Another one on the way. $59 trillion hole in the balance sheet IGNORED. China saying they aren't going to buy treasuries, Clinton clamoring to find buyers now. $3.6 trillion dollar budget, potential military action on Mexico, Iran still a "terrorist state" at the behest of the AIPAC, spending up, dollar about to fall, inflation over time since Breton Woods extremely easy to document, yet, the socialist-liars question when the numbers (the Federal Government numbers) simply don't add up to the point where if the US-GOV was a company it would be insolvent.
  -How dare the taxpayers question what Chairman Obama's drastic spending increases are going to do to the purchasing power of our savings because Chairman Obama wants to recklessly spend and try to maintain and American empire AND guarantee a standard of living, and Chairman Obama doesn't even want to build a single nuclear power plant to do it? Chairman Obama must be a complete and total lunatic moron.
- Obama is either a negligent idiot or an unhinged maniac with delusional fantasies. Meanwhile, Chainman Obama's tax dodging Treasury Secretary has 17 unfilled positions, the Treasury Dept. isn't even functioning at this point.
- "General welfare" in the constitution was, according to the man who wrote it, Madison, meant to be extremely limited in scope. The federal government per the constitution doesn't even have the enumerated POWER to deal with economic messes. A lot of these "POWERS" were created while there is a crisis to dupe the public into accepting an un-constitutional authoritarian regime as the government and to usurp authority over the people.
- The USA is a constitutional republic. A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting to eat a sheep. Also a constitutional republic isn't about using a barely-majority or a plurality to stuff your (un-fundable disastrous) crap down the disenfranchised other-half's throat.
- With Obama's authoritarian corrupted criminal (aiding and abetting a criminal in flight of prosecution, Rich case) Eric Holder in charge, we won't have our inalienable and enumerated rights to firearms much longer. For a constitutional law expert, Obama must have never read the federalist papers or he would simply hand himself as a traitor.
- The arbitrary expansion of "general welfare" is not only unconstitutional, it may very well lead to a serious conflict on the issue.
- Here is a debate on general welfare and how stuff like this came to pass, but was clearly no intended by the authors of the document of root law.
In Federalist No. 41, James Madison asked rhetorically: "For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power?" (In reference to the general welfare clause)
So strongly did the founders believe that "general welfare" wouldn't be expanded as written:
In Federalist No. 84, Alexander Hamilton indirectly confirmed Madison's point. (That the "general welfare" clause was "clearly" nota free pass for government)
Hamilton argued that a bill of rights, which many were clamoring for, would be not only unnecessary, but dangerous. Since the federal government was given only a few specific powers, there was no need to add prohibitions: it was implicitly prohibited by the listed powers. If a proposed law a relief act, for instance wasn't covered by any of these powers, it was unconstitutional.
"why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do? Why, for instance, should it be said, that the liberty of the press shall not be restrained when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed?"
Hamilton goes on to argue that making Amendments (e.g., enumerating Free speech, press and assembly) and enumerating the 'right' would have the following effect:
(A bill of rights) "would furnish, to men disposed to usurp, a plausible pretence for claiming that power that is, a power to regulate the press, short of actually shutting it down. "
"With respect to the words 'general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers (enumerated in the Constitution) connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." --James Madison [The US Supreme Court has found the meaning of "general welfare" in the Constitution to be much more elastic than did Mr. Madison. But as the "author of the Constitution," what does he know?]
James Madison, when asked if the "general welfare" clause was a grant of power, replied in 1792, in a letter to Henry Lee,

If not only the means but the objects are unlimited, the parchment [the Constitution] should be thrown into the fire at once.

"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government , and to provide new Guards for their future security. ...--The Declaration of Independence
- Wrong, monetizing failures causes more. Japan showed us this for decades. But hey, Chairman Obama thinks you can fix a problem DECADES in the making with a quick fixer-upper, he is screwed in the head.
- The complaints are with the Federal government (in general) since Breton Woods. The Federal Government and Obama's minions STILL didn't listen to David Walker, a Clinton appointee and former head of the GAO. This isn't about political parties anymore morons!
- Show me a single federal budget that was less than the previous. If this $3.6T budget goes, its never coming back barring systemic collapse.
- The United States Federal Government, The United States Federal Reserve, and the banks which were enabled to continue down reckless paths by a quasi government agency known as the Federal Reserve whose actions are not subject to congress and whose members are unelected. This situation is untenable and unconstitutional.
- Every inflationary road taken in history ends in collapse. Keynesian policies are widely regarded as no longer workable.
- Inflation is a tax: What ignorant tax and spenders don't take into account here is the relative percentages of people's wealth (both net and gross) and the costs of owning and maintaining houses, cars, standards of living.
- Inflation via deficit spending is going to make it such that you will be paying a lot more by percentage of your income to maintain a given standard of living. Obama's arguments are so poorly thought out and seek to blame "Republicans" for the mess, its really simply laughable - the needs cleanup now, not worsening.
- You can't spend your way out of a hole if the creditors (e.g. China) start telling the USA they won't buy. It is that simple. Now America starts to have to collateralize the debt with assets. The USA will be selling off chunks of American assets to back the new debt. One day, it may even be necessary to sell Alaska back to Russia because no one will take greenbacks to prop up a failing version of a modern Rome.
- Ah, here we go with the Matthew Lesko arguments. []
Interest rates were on the rise before the government stepped in with free money for everyone (the fine print of course indicate massive strings attached).
Other economies, for example, India, have the central rates set to far more reasonable/realistic rates (at the moment ~ 8+%), which is still tends to be too low, but shows that if you need someone else capital you need to pay a premium for it, and given that capital is in short supply, it would stand to reason that a premium must be charged for it.
The problem is the unrealistic growth rates of mature economies don't allow for profiting via growth projections (rather than simply earning money). So the government steps in, turns on the free money spigot, gets the interest rates for savings down in the 1-2% range while diluting the value of the whole currency in order to prop up dying companies that ran the business like a Madhoff Ponzi scheme.
- The Republicans aren't solely responsible for the crisis as Obama's minions would have you believe, congress is (no particular congress), the Executive of the US government (no particular one) and the US Federal Reserve System are all at fault.
- Fundamentally, the government is trying to fix the prices of various things to "make it all work." This pulling on the invisible hand is a fools venture. It was predicted long ago the housing collapse (and those, such as myself, in the know, wished while realizing the housing collapse coming that we were wrong for everyone's sake - but the truth is the truth) . It may be that the Austrian (von Mises) economists will ultimately be proven right.
- We are a nation of partially educated whiney grabby idiots, and we got the government that represents this. The Chinese, India and other up and coming nations will show no mercy for this arrogant abuse of our status as the world's forex reserves.
- War and asset sales will continue to be the only option for this scheme until it is corrected at the core. And to say that the government has already averted a depression by doing what they did (most of the monies injected wont be "felt" for some time), is just arrogance and stupidity. Price fixing prolonged the Great Depression. Price-fixing (or attempting to) houses will do the same, but probably worse.
- Obama's minions simply don't care if the US is bankrupted and rendered insolvent, they just want a say in how its done, presumably to "feel safe." Rather selfish.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." AND "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (Possibly Richard Jackson)

- Everyone better realize that inflation will pay a major role in funding un-fundable fantasies, wiping the savers and the middle class out. The problem is, that other countries are growing tired of making our Federal Reserve notes worth something by buying our debt as treasuries. Obama's minions talk about spending, but in order to "get what YOU want" you will sell debt to potential economic and military adversaries? Real bright. What's really sad is that despite David Walker being an authority on these issues, people refuse to even watch him and listen to what he is saying.
- On the success of Canada and its form of Socialism: A huge country like Canada with massive amounts of uranium and tar sands and natural resources and a huge land mass with a scant 30 million people is an order of magnitude less of a problem to manage than a country with 10x its population, a serious leaky southern border, backfiring aggressive foreign policy, particularly with Iran, and the US is competing with countries like India and China whose middle classes are larger than the US's entire population. The top 5 students in every Indian and Chinese primary school out numbers all the kids in primary school in the US. Canada is a idyllic island, the USA is front and center in an all out economic and political clash of ideologies.
- Cap and trade (and pollution control for solving global problems) will never work unless the top 10 countries in the world (in terms of both GDP and manufacturing capacity and population) are on board. Period end. If the world doesn't quickly move to nuclear now and fusion shortly, it is OVER possibly not if every home on the planet gets a wind vane, but that seems unlikely to happen (since its possible now).
- Keynes calls it "the paradox of thrift" and suggested that policies forcing people not to save is a "good idea." The guy wanted people spending all the time, or if he didn't, he never conveyed that to his protégés well enough for them to not do what they are doing. Right now the plebeians in the US are actually stashing cash, and everyone from Obama to the media is trying to get people to spend spend spend. The best thing for the long term is for people to prepare for the coming hell, not set out with no reserves.
- I have seen Keynes invoked to justify nearly every bad move in the past decade, and its warming up to be a potential currency collapse, the collapse of the US Treasury and Federal Reserve notes, and a collapse of the NYSE. And then they invoke Keynes to suggest the best way out of the mess is to spend out of an already near-critically debt massed black hole.
- A house is run like a town is run like a country or business is run like a state is run like a government. If there are things the government is doing that would either force your home into bankruptcy or into jail via fraud charges, then the government and banks shouldn't be operating in that fashion. A certain degree of stretchy liquidity is in order, but in terms of percent of GDP, there is no way of justifying what they US has now.
- Iceland failed at 850 percent debt to GDP. The US is at 350 and rising. It is not a good thing at all.
- What is happening to the dollar as a forex standard. []
- March 19, 2009 C-SPAN - "Let's Quit Destroying Our Dollar!" []
- HR 1207 (A bill to make the Fed more accountable and to answer questions regarding the dollar policy) []

Title: Obama sidetracked by fiscal mess, but presses on []
"Being heard above the din may prove difficult. Lawmakers are wrangling over taxing people who got big bonuses and worrying the president's budget could generate $9.3 trillion in red ink over the next decade."
- Kremlin to pitch new global currency []
Russia proposes creation of global super-reserve currency

Holy crap, even the Russians and Chinese get it. Strange days are here.

Re:Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Report (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27349699)

This is a really interesting article. I am a Tuna fisherman and I would really like to know more about Tuna's behavior in an en-masse sense. I mean, we get "get on the fish" ok, but this sort of data would help fisherman understand how much fish can be caught, where to catch them and where not to (you want Tuna to reproduce so it would be nice to know where and when we should give a chance to re-grow.)

This is very promising to see that we are focusing research on a super-important part of our ecosystem, and this sort of thing will lead to a better understanding and I think better management of marine populations in general.

Basically (0, Troll)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#27349615)

MIT nerds use sonar to track fish, claim breakthrough.

Re:Basically (3, Funny)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 5 years ago | (#27349659)

MIT nerds ping fish, echo reply in 0.012 seconds.

Re:Basically (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 5 years ago | (#27349811)

That seems unlikely.... In sea water that puts the fish only 9m away.

Re:Basically (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27350565)

We've analyzed the ping... and the killer tuna is calling from INSIDE YOUR HOUSE! (dun dun dun)

Re:Basically (1)

craze ivan (1092703) | more than 5 years ago | (#27356373)

So you know all the factors that influence the sound waves speed at every point along the migration as well as every point from the surface to the maximum depth they were measuring. Ya I thought not, shoot down someone's joke, which was funny, risk being shot down.

Re:Basically (1)

Slumdog (1460213) | more than 5 years ago | (#27351481)

MIT nerds ping fish, echo reply in 0.012 seconds.

Using traceroute after access denied.

This technology promises to revolutionize... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27349643)

...the post-secondary education market for whales.

Better link (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27349975)

Cool. Better link:;2009/326/4

Future Technology Deployment... (2, Funny)

Narnie (1349029) | more than 5 years ago | (#27349979)

This new technology will be installed on Chinese and Japanese fishing vessels to further depopulate the oceans and provide temporary low seafood prices. When asked about what they would do after emptying the ocean of fish, the Chinese spokesperson replied, "We're working on that."

Re:Future Technology Deployment... (1)

cplusplus (782679) | more than 5 years ago | (#27350321)

I wish I could mod this "Sad but true"

Re:Future Technology Deployment... (1)

SupremoMan (912191) | more than 5 years ago | (#27350551)

"We're working on that."

Soylent Green

Re:Future Technology Deployment... (1)

IonOtter (629215) | more than 5 years ago | (#27351103)

Fish! Plankton! Sea greens! Protein from the sea!

Re:Future Technology Deployment... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27355723)

Any reason you picked out the Chinese and Japanese in particular? Or do you think the rest of the world doesn't participate in overfishing?

Re:Future Technology Deployment... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27359367)

This new technology will be installed on Chinese and Japanese fishing vessels to further depopulate the oceans and provide temporary low seafood prices. When asked about what they would do after emptying the ocean of fish, the Chinese spokesperson replied, "We're working on that."

A Chinese spokesman from the Ministry of Truth indicated that the fish were looking forward to being liberated from their oppressive school system and are looking forward to joining their communist brethren.

Oblig. Ghostbusters (1)

rubies (962985) | more than 5 years ago | (#27350653)

Not an undersea, unexplained mass sponge migration?

And did they move more than a foot and a half?

Sonar (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27351061)

The system relies on sending sound waves that locate objects by bouncing off of them.

Thank you! Simply saying it relied on SONAR would have left us all completely befuddled.

Re:Sonar (1)

Slumdog (1460213) | more than 5 years ago | (#27351501)

The system relies on sending sound waves that locate objects by bouncing off of them.

Thank you! Simply saying it relied on SONAR would have left us all completely befuddled.

Maybe he was thinking Radar and decided it didn't sound right.

Re:Sonar (1)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 5 years ago | (#27351833)

Sometimes we send out sound waves that are actually polite requests for the fish to provide us with their current coordinates.

Re:Sonar (2, Informative)

The Grim Reefer2 (1195989) | more than 5 years ago | (#27351873)

The system relies on sending sound waves that locate objects by bouncing off of them.

Thank you! Simply saying it relied on SONAR would have left us all completely befuddled.

Well yes and no. Typical military SONAR operates in the 2 kHz to 10 kHz range or sea floor mapping SONAR at 5 kHz, while OAWRS is significantly lower from 300 Hz to 1.5 kHz. It is also different than typical SONAR in that there is a transmitting vessel and a separate receiving vessel. Using separate transmit and receive locations that are a significant distance from each other also differentiates it from conventional long range SONAR which operates at 500 Hz. Here's a link that describes OAWRS in more detail if you're interested: []

Dangerous Catch (2, Interesting)

Sun.Jedi (1280674) | more than 5 years ago | (#27351239)

... would be so boring if they knew where the fish were.

Re:Dangerous Catch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27363295)

... would be so boring if they knew where the fish were.

Since the point of the series is to film the fishing of two different deep-sea crab species, I doubt this specific technology would impact the show.

This is unfortunate. (1)

nuckfuts (690967) | more than 5 years ago | (#27351931)

I used to work on a commercial fishing vessel. With the the number of boats and the nets we used, the main reason we didn't take ALL the fish is that the ocean is so BIG. I've seen water churning with salmon which could not be located a short while later when fishing was allowed to begin.

If tools are now available to reliably track schools of fish in open waters, I think it's inevitable that the next step will be someone scooping them up in a net.

Re:This is unfortunate. (1)

Ozlanthos (1172125) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354425)

I was present in LA during the 92-94 El Nino years. Commercial boats got so fricken lazy they would send a spotter plane out to find out where the party boats were catching fish. then come in with purse-seines and drag the area dry. They kept doing this past the point of driving Yellowfin below .08 a pound(side note: at the time Mackeral was going for .18 a pound...and they use it primarily to make cat food and fertilizer...)!!! THEY KEPT IT UP UNTIL IT COST MORE TO GO OUT THAN COULD BE MADE ON A FULL LOAD OF TUNA!!!!

It is one of the experiences that has filled me with disdain for the commercial fleets of the world. Their over-riding mind-set is "if I don't kill it someone else will". If the people of the world could see first hand what it takes to get their fish fillets and such, they would swear off sea food entirely! I know, and that is why I catch and release. Because I know full well, that if I do not kill it....IT IS STILL ALIVE!!!! It might even be bigger the next time someone catches it! It might even get a chance to mature and spawn and MAKE MORE FISH TO CATCH before being caught again!!!! Heaven forbid that should happen!

Tell you what commercial fishermen of the globe. the next time you go out, no matter how many fish are out there to harvest, take in only half the capacity of your boat. Make an agreement with every single boat captain you know to do this, and have them do the same in kind. Before you know it, the stock of fish you catch will be much larger, making it necessary to take even less fish. If you keep it up long enough, the price per pound of fish will rise with the diminishing supply (the price of an available supply is dependent solely upon how much product is brought to the market, not how much is available on the planet!!!) Go out for shorter runs, bring in less, work less, make more per fish...see how that works? -Oz

Have you ever met a human? (1)

professorguy (1108737) | more than 5 years ago | (#27355343)

Everyone should take only half a load? Yeah, that'll work great. Build in a huge incentive to cheat once prices are high. Your suggestion would lead to a highly exploitable environment, which people will exploit because that's what people do. Let's face it, "exploit environment" has been a successful strategy for about 4 billion years. Your gentlemen's agreement is essentially asking us to become a different species. Unlikely.

Re:Have you ever met a human? (1)

Ozlanthos (1172125) | more than 5 years ago | (#27358123)

Sorry if I am so "pro-human" that I'd dare to suggest that we'd be able to think further than the ends of our noses. You want to know what the real exploit there is to be made here really is???? I have the boat, I can fish, you cannot!!! HAHAHA!! If I don't go out and kill it, YOU CAN'T EAT IT AT MCDONALD'S!!! Of course the only way that will work for me is if everyone else does it too. Don't get me wrong, I know many commercial fishermen are uneducated about things like ecology, economics and biology. I have only spent the better part of my life either in, on, or around some body of water or another (I could probably be classified as an amphibian with as much time as I've spent fishing.) I guess the fact that I can even think of such heresy must be the result of some mutation......but for the most part you are right....people suck, I just think we can, and should be better. -Oz

ecosystem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27352805)

Great, another way to more efficiently destroy the oceans ecosystem.

Mass extinction... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27353221)

in 3, 2, 1...

I will take unpredictability any day (1)

Discoflamingo13 (90009) | more than 5 years ago | (#27361123)

"You forget, Peter. I was present at an undersea, unexplained mass sponge migration."
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