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Tesla Releases First Official Photos of Model S Sedan

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the that's-a-lot-of-glass dept.

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Thelasko writes "After several pictures of the Model S were leaked onto the internet, Jalopnik has the first official pictures of the Model S. One of its most striking features is its massive touchscreen in place of the center console."

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Imagine buying one of those... (4, Funny)

SupremoMan (912191) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353663)

taking it home, and noticing a bad pixle, what a buzzkill.

Re:Imagine buying one of those... (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27353695)

You misspelled "pixel." Hah-hah!

Re:Imagine buying one of those... (1)

Philip K Dickhead (906971) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353817)

Aston-Jaguar.

I wonder if Callum designed this coach, too?

Re:Imagine buying one of those... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27354093)

Aston-Jaguar.

I wonder if Callum designed this coach, too?

Yeah, obvious rip-off.

Re:Imagine buying one of those... (5, Interesting)

Antidamage (1506489) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354167)

Tesla based its last vehicle on the Lotus Elise and even assembles them at the Lotus factory in England. I wouldn't be surprised if some exotic European car manufacturer were involved in this model as well.

Re:Imagine buying one of those... (3, Funny)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354083)

Perhaps he is French?

"Non! Le pixle est mauvais!"

Re:Imagine buying one of those... Tsarkon Reports (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27353725)

Need to borrow that Phirst Poast aka Frosty Piss:
Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Reports
(Note: We are not a GOP-sters, Republicans or affiliated with any parties, and as George Washington warned against parties We do not believe in parties and, unlike most people, We evaluate every issue on a case by case basis and do not defer to the judgments of politicians who are corrupted and untrustworthy as a group.)

Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek, whose country currently holds the EU presidency, told the European Parliament that President Barack Obama's massive stimulus package and banking bailout "will undermine the stability of the global financial market." Calls Us policy a "way to hell."

Yuan Forwards Show China May Buy Fewer Treasuries, UBS Says [bloomberg.com]
Anemic Treasury auction effects felt beyond bonds [reuters.com]
The Sherminator Kicks Some Wall Street Ass [dailybail.com]
China Angry That Fed Is Deliberately Destroying The Dollar [bloomberg.com]
China suggests switch from dollar as reserve currency [bbc.co.uk]
What are the reserve currencies? [wsj.net]
Anatomy of a taxpayer giveaway to investors [ml-implode.com]
Geithner rescue package 'robbery of the American people' [telegraph.co.uk]
Geithner just put only the rich in Titanics lifeboats [examiner.com]
Geithner Plan Will Rob US Taxpayers [cnbc.com]
A False Choice [viewfromsi...valley.com]
Bargain-hunting house buyers wearing on sellers ajc.com [ajc.com]
Time to Take the Steering Wheel out of Geithner's Hands [alternet.org]
Socialising and Privatising [freeradical.co.nz]
Fannie, Freddie to pay out bonuses [politico.com]
Fitch Raises Prime Jumbo Loan Loss Estimates Sharply [researchrecap.com]

Chinas central bank on Monday proposed replacing the US dollar as the international reserve currency with a new global system controlled by the International Monetary Fund [ft.com]

- Russia too: It is necessary to work out and adopt internationally recognized standards for macroeconomic and budget policy, which are binding for the leading world economies, including the countries issuing reserve currencies - the Kremlin proposals read. [en.rian.ru]

- President Barak "The Teleprompter" Obama is deeply connected to corruption, Rahm Emanuel (Radical authoritarian Statist whose father was part of the Murderous Civilian Killing Israeli Terrorist Organization known as IRGUN), Connected to Rod Blagojevich (Rahm inherited Rod's federal-congress seat), Connected to Ayers, a man who promotes the concept that civilian collateral damage is ok in a war against freedom, Preacher Jeremiah Wright, who is himself a black-elitist who wants all the people who largely "pay the freight" to suffer, 31 million on food stamps, more blacks are in prison and on food-stamps per capita than anyone else. The problem with Wright is simply this: the facts are "racist."
- Obama: Racist, AIPAC-bootlicker, Corrupted to the bone Chicago style and a Traitor to the US Constitution and a Liar whose real "legal" name could very well be Barry Sotero and an Indonesian citizen (The US does not allow plural citizenship) (If you care, not that it matters anymore under a Lawless Authoritarian Totalitarian Regime, you can see more here at an aggregator; obamacrimes.info [obamacrimes.info] )
  - Raytheon lobbyist in Pentagon, lots lobbyists getting exemptions even though he promised not to have them.
- Goldman Sachs insider second in command at Treasury. Bumbling tax cheat idiot in "command" of Treasury with 17 positions unfilled as of late March 2009.
- Cabinet has had several nominees and appointees with multiple tax fraud issues.
- Lied about having a new degree of accountability and a SUNSHINE period of new laws, he has signed bills with little or no review at whitehouse.gov as promised.
- Appointed a second amendment violating Rich-pardoning treasonist Eric Holder as AG, the top cop of the USA, a man who helped a fugitive evade justice.
- Has not put a dime in for a single new nuclear power plant but wants to help bridges and roads to promote more driving.
- Obama, Blagojevich and Rahm Emanuel have a LOT to hide. They literally lived next to each other, Rahm had (until being Chairman Obama's Chief of staff) Blagojevich's old federal congressional seat. Blagojevich helped Chairman "The Teleprompter" Obama cheat his way to the Illinois senate by getting other candidates thrown off the ballot in Illinois. Why do you think Blagojevich was so mad? Obama DID owe him, big time. Rahm and Obama are using Blagojevich and trying to cut his head off to keep him away.
- Tony Rezko, Iraqi Arms Dealer Nahdmi Auchi, and of course Aiham Alsammarae. Chairman "The Teleprompter" Hussein Obama is so corrupted its a joke.
- Fools and "useful idiots" twist the pie charts by leaving welfare, workfare, interest on debt, social security, Medicare and Medicaid out and focusing only on non-whole "discretionary" pie charts.
2007 high level pie chart, Federal Budget, USA [wikimedia.org]
2009 Pie chart, detailed, Federal Budget, USA [wikimedia.org]
- Chairman Obama is drastically increasing spending and creating more entitlements that will make the US less competitive (especially against China, India, East Europe/Russia). This will be a huge disaster and change you can believe in will strap you and your grandkids with more debt. No taxation without representation? Obama is spending money for the next two-three generations and they can't even vote yet, or even have been born.
- An alternative to the dollar and a forex and a reserve currency came up at the last G20 meeting. The world will not take faith in Obama's liar-socialist spending and welfare state, why should the taxpayers (plebian citizen-slaves of a police state).
- The spending going on now vastly eclipses all previous spending. In fact, the massive trillion plus debts is a thing of the 80's onwards. Congress signs the checks, remember that Year after year, as egregious as the pentagon spending is, that the social spending is completely a waste of money and it is unfunded over the long term. Eisenhower built the interstates, the US could build a new power infrastructure with this money but instead is being pissed into creating more of an entitlement system that is STILL unfunded, and without massive poll-taxes and far more aggressive progressive taxes, could NEVER be funded.
- The budgeting being done today were recently reported by a non-partisan auditing commission will lead to about 10 TRILLION in new debt over the next 10 years. Obama is going to double the national debt while doing nothing to address the unfunded debt obligations of Social Security.
- Clinton appointed David Walker of the GAO, he quit, the unfunded debt obligations have rendered the USA insolvent according to accounting standards.
Taxpayers on the hook for $59 trillion [usatoday.com]
US Public Debt Unfunded Debt Obligations [wikipedia.org]
- Most of the world population gets NOTHING from their governments, or a very bare minimum or services that benefit only the upper echelons of society. However, the liar Chairman Obama says we need his universal "state-hospital" rationed health care to be competitive. Bull. China and India give nothing, and they are the biggest threat to the American worker. By forcing healthcare and higher taxes, Americans will be less competitive.
- If you think 60% tax rates end to end (income, accounts receivable tax, building permit tax, CDL tax, cigarette tax, corporate income tax, dog license tax, federal income tax, unemployment tax, gasoline tax, hunting license tax, fishing license tax, waterfowl stamp tax, inheritance tax, inventory tax, liquor tax, luxury tax, Medicare tax, city, school and county property tax (up 33 percent last 4 years), real estate tax, social security tax, road usage tax, toll road tax, state and city sales tax, recreational vehicle tax, excise tax, state franchise tax, state unemployment tax, telephone federal excise tax, telephone federal state and local surcharge tax, telephone minimum usage surcharge tax, telephone state and local tax, utility tax, vehicle license registration tax, capital gains tax, lease severance tax, oil and gas assessment tax, misc internet sales tax and many more taxes that I can't recall at the moment) will make the US competitive, along with compulsory programs to provide everyone with health care is going to make the US competitive in the age of India and China, you are a joke.
- As the US nationalizes (read: rations healthcare) to the least common denominator of affordability without regard to efficacy, people with money will simply look into medical tourism so those with money can go to medical parks in India and get real health care. Those who have lived in Canada or in the UK can tell you "free" healthcare is NOT a panacea. If you think this, you are again, a useful idiot. The NHS in the UK has given bad blood and Hepatitis and AIDS blood to people, and Jade Goody who just died was misdiagnosed twice resulting in her death (She was all cleared twice of cervical cancer which she just died of). The NHS in the UK is not able to be sued or held accountable. Neither will Chairman Obama's rationed health care service for America.
- Sorry to bust the socialist bubble-lie, but support of these types of policies will simply lower the standard of living in the USA, particularly for the middle class. At least at the end of the Eisenhower projects the USA got roads to show for the spending, and with this new spending, the USA could have built power plants that get the USA out of the middle east, but the age of government for the sake of government is upon us, and the useful idiots line up and believe empty promises.
The pentagon (and Bechtel, Kroll, Bluewater, Halliburton, etc) could get less than half of what they get today, but that will fix nothing fundamental in terms of government spending. It is simply not enough to make a difference when compared to the Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security entitlements.
See: YouTube - US Government Immorality Will Lead to Bankruptcy [youtube.com]
- If Obama thinks its ok to lie to 300 million people about being able to "take care of them" without even being honest about what that care would look like, then being an idiot and believing in Obama is for you.
- The head of the IRS and the head of the Treasury, Geithner, is a Tax Cheat
- Lied about no lobbyists - their numbers are growing.
- The US Government already have over 50% of the budget on Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security. Socialists: Good job on that one, its working great. Solution to the current near-collapse-due-to-over-spending: add more unfunded entitlements!
- You Socialist-liars can break my spirit and my financial back to force me to "need" a federal government that is turning this country into a police state and turn it into a quasi-socialist lie, but I will, I must put up a fight. I have kids to educate and feed, and the stuff you sell (which is failing to various degrees everywhere else as implemented) is simply forcing a culture of failure on a once great, libertarian free country.
- I will not be complacent with your "change," and there will be a point where civil war will become an option. See how hard you can push before you get it. How much more than half can the truly productive workers in this country afford to pay. Keep pushing to find out how to start a civil war.
- The socialist-lie of a plan will not work, its not fundable, it WILL destroy the currency to fund it, and its really as simple as this: if this insanity is funded by borrowing from the US's economic and military adversaries then Obama and his socialist cabal is NOT fit to administrate society. Rome fell. Kings who mis-manged their treasuries all fell. Every example of unhinged spending leads to the same result: systemic collapse.
- Obama and his sycophantic lunatics would want to have a civil war to get Chairman Obama's way and force the socialist-lie system on my already tax paying law abiding ass. And as far as "no new taxes" for those under 250k, its a lie, the tax is called inflation, which is set to begin just about now that the Chinese wont want the USA's worthless treasuries to fund the socialist-lie fantasy (one that COMMUNIST China doesn't even try and sell to its people!)
- Chairman Obama's numbers don't add up. There is a $59 trillion dollar hole (UFDO) in social security alone. AIG $150 billion here, TARP $350 billion there. $800 billion for a highly dubious stimulus package. Another one on the way. $59 trillion hole in the balance sheet IGNORED. China saying they aren't going to buy treasuries, Clinton clamoring to find buyers now. $3.6 trillion dollar budget, potential military action on Mexico, Iran still a "terrorist state" at the behest of the AIPAC, spending up, dollar about to fall, inflation over time since Breton Woods extremely easy to document, yet, the socialist-liars question when the numbers (the Federal Government numbers) simply don't add up to the point where if the US-GOV was a company it would be insolvent.
  -How dare the taxpayers question what Chairman Obama's drastic spending increases are going to do to the purchasing power of our savings because Chairman Obama wants to recklessly spend and try to maintain and American empire AND guarantee a standard of living, and Chairman Obama doesn't even want to build a single nuclear power plant to do it? Chairman Obama must be a complete and total lunatic moron.
- Obama is either a negligent idiot or an unhinged maniac with delusional fantasies. Meanwhile, Chainman Obama's tax dodging Treasury Secretary has 17 unfilled positions, the Treasury Dept. isn't even functioning at this point.
- "General welfare" in the constitution was, according to the man who wrote it, Madison, meant to be extremely limited in scope. The federal government per the constitution doesn't even have the enumerated POWER to deal with economic messes. A lot of these "POWERS" were created while there is a crisis to dupe the public into accepting an un-constitutional authoritarian regime as the government and to usurp authority over the people.
- The USA is a constitutional republic. A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting to eat a sheep. Also a constitutional republic isn't about using a barely-majority or a plurality to stuff your (un-fundable disastrous) crap down the disenfranchised other-half's throat.
- With Obama's authoritarian corrupted criminal (aiding and abetting a criminal in flight of prosecution, Rich case) Eric Holder in charge, we won't have our inalienable and enumerated rights to firearms much longer. For a constitutional law expert, Obama must have never read the federalist papers or he would simply hand himself as a traitor.
- The arbitrary expansion of "general welfare" is not only unconstitutional, it may very well lead to a serious conflict on the issue.
- Here is a debate on general welfare and how stuff like this came to pass, but was clearly no intended by the authors of the document of root law.
In Federalist No. 41, James Madison asked rhetorically: "For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power?" (In reference to the general welfare clause)
So strongly did the founders believe that "general welfare" wouldn't be expanded as written:
In Federalist No. 84, Alexander Hamilton indirectly confirmed Madison's point. (That the "general welfare" clause was "clearly" nota free pass for government)
Hamilton argued that a bill of rights, which many were clamoring for, would be not only unnecessary, but dangerous. Since the federal government was given only a few specific powers, there was no need to add prohibitions: it was implicitly prohibited by the listed powers. If a proposed law a relief act, for instance wasn't covered by any of these powers, it was unconstitutional.
"why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do? Why, for instance, should it be said, that the liberty of the press shall not be restrained when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed?"
Hamilton goes on to argue that making Amendments (e.g., enumerating Free speech, press and assembly) and enumerating the 'right' would have the following effect:
(A bill of rights) "would furnish, to men disposed to usurp, a plausible pretence for claiming that power that is, a power to regulate the press, short of actually shutting it down. "
"With respect to the words 'general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers (enumerated in the Constitution) connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." --James Madison [The US Supreme Court has found the meaning of "general welfare" in the Constitution to be much more elastic than did Mr. Madison. But as the "author of the Constitution," what does he know?]
James Madison, when asked if the "general welfare" clause was a grant of power, replied in 1792, in a letter to Henry Lee,

If not only the means but the objects are unlimited, the parchment [the Constitution] should be thrown into the fire at once.

"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government , and to provide new Guards for their future security. ...--The Declaration of Independence
- Wrong, monetizing failures causes more. Japan showed us this for decades. But hey, Chairman Obama thinks you can fix a problem DECADES in the making with a quick fixer-upper, he is screwed in the head.
- The complaints are with the Federal government (in general) since Breton Woods. The Federal Government and Obama's minions STILL didn't listen to David Walker, a Clinton appointee and former head of the GAO. This isn't about political parties anymore morons!
- Show me a single federal budget that was less than the previous. If this $3.6T budget goes, its never coming back barring systemic collapse.
- The United States Federal Government, The United States Federal Reserve, and the banks which were enabled to continue down reckless paths by a quasi government agency known as the Federal Reserve whose actions are not subject to congress and whose members are unelected. This situation is untenable and unconstitutional.
- Every inflationary road taken in history ends in collapse. Keynesian policies are widely regarded as no longer workable.
- Inflation is a tax: What ignorant tax and spenders don't take into account here is the relative percentages of people's wealth (both net and gross) and the costs of owning and maintaining houses, cars, standards of living.
- Inflation via deficit spending is going to make it such that you will be paying a lot more by percentage of your income to maintain a given standard of living. Obama's arguments are so poorly thought out and seek to blame "Republicans" for the mess, its really simply laughable - the needs cleanup now, not worsening.
- You can't spend your way out of a hole if the creditors (e.g. China) start telling the USA they won't buy. It is that simple. Now America starts to have to collateralize the debt with assets. The USA will be selling off chunks of American assets to back the new debt. One day, it may even be necessary to sell Alaska back to Russia because no one will take greenbacks to prop up a failing version of a modern Rome.
- Ah, here we go with the Matthew Lesko arguments. [lesko.com]
Interest rates were on the rise before the government stepped in with free money for everyone (the fine print of course indicate massive strings attached).
Other economies, for example, India, have the central rates set to far more reasonable/realistic rates (at the moment ~ 8+%), which is still tends to be too low, but shows that if you need someone else capital you need to pay a premium for it, and given that capital is in short supply, it would stand to reason that a premium must be charged for it.
The problem is the unrealistic growth rates of mature economies don't allow for profiting via growth projections (rather than simply earning money). So the government steps in, turns on the free money spigot, gets the interest rates for savings down in the 1-2% range while diluting the value of the whole currency in order to prop up dying companies that ran the business like a Madhoff Ponzi scheme.
- The Republicans aren't solely responsible for the crisis as Obama's minions would have you believe, congress is (no particular congress), the Executive of the US government (no particular one) and the US Federal Reserve System are all at fault.
- Fundamentally, the government is trying to fix the prices of various things to "make it all work." This pulling on the invisible hand is a fools venture. It was predicted long ago the housing collapse (and those, such as myself, in the know, wished while realizing the housing collapse coming that we were wrong for everyone's sake - but the truth is the truth) . It may be that the Austrian (von Mises) economists will ultimately be proven right.
- We are a nation of partially educated whiney grabby idiots, and we got the government that represents this. The Chinese, India and other up and coming nations will show no mercy for this arrogant abuse of our status as the world's forex reserves.
- War and asset sales will continue to be the only option for this scheme until it is corrected at the core. And to say that the government has already averted a depression by doing what they did (most of the monies injected wont be "felt" for some time), is just arrogance and stupidity. Price fixing prolonged the Great Depression. Price-fixing (or attempting to) houses will do the same, but probably worse.
- Obama's minions simply don't care if the US is bankrupted and rendered insolvent, they just want a say in how its done, presumably to "feel safe." Rather selfish.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." AND "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (Possibly Richard Jackson)

- Everyone better realize that inflation will pay a major role in funding un-fundable fantasies, wiping the savers and the middle class out. The problem is, that other countries are growing tired of making our Federal Reserve notes worth something by buying our debt as treasuries. Obama's minions talk about spending, but in order to "get what YOU want" you will sell debt to potential economic and military adversaries? Real bright. What's really sad is that despite David Walker being an authority on these issues, people refuse to even watch him and listen to what he is saying.
- On the success of Canada and its form of Socialism: A huge country like Canada with massive amounts of uranium and tar sands and natural resources and a huge land mass with a scant 30 million people is an order of magnitude less of a problem to manage than a country with 10x its population, a serious leaky southern border, backfiring aggressive foreign policy, particularly with Iran, and the US is competing with countries like India and China whose middle classes are larger than the US's entire population. The top 5 students in every Indian and Chinese primary school out numbers all the kids in primary school in the US. Canada is a idyllic island, the USA is front and center in an all out economic and political clash of ideologies.
- Cap and trade (and pollution control for solving global problems) will never work unless the top 10 countries in the world (in terms of both GDP and manufacturing capacity and population) are on board. Period end. If the world doesn't quickly move to nuclear now and fusion shortly, it is OVER possibly not if every home on the planet gets a wind vane, but that seems unlikely to happen (since its possible now).
- Keynes calls it "the paradox of thrift" and suggested that policies forcing people not to save is a "good idea." The guy wanted people spending all the time, or if he didn't, he never conveyed that to his protégés well enough for them to not do what they are doing. Right now the plebeians in the US are actually stashing cash, and everyone from Obama to the media is trying to get people to spend spend spend. The best thing for the long term is for people to prepare for the coming hell, not set out with no reserves.
- I have seen Keynes invoked to justify nearly every bad move in the past decade, and its warming up to be a potential currency collapse, the collapse of the US Treasury and Federal Reserve notes, and a collapse of the NYSE. And then they invoke Keynes to suggest the best way out of the mess is to spend out of an already near-critically debt massed black hole.
- A house is run like a town is run like a country or business is run like a state is run like a government. If there are things the government is doing that would either force your home into bankruptcy or into jail via fraud charges, then the government and banks shouldn't be operating in that fashion. A certain degree of stretchy liquidity is in order, but in terms of percent of GDP, there is no way of justifying what they US has now.
- Iceland failed at 850 percent debt to GDP. The US is at 350 and rising. It is not a good thing at all.
- What is happening to the dollar as a forex standard. [youtube.com]
- March 19, 2009 C-SPAN - "Let's Quit Destroying Our Dollar!" [youtube.com]
- HR 1207 (A bill to make the Fed more accountable and to answer questions regarding the dollar policy) [loc.gov]

Title: Obama sidetracked by fiscal mess, but presses on [yahoo.com]
"Being heard above the din may prove difficult. Lawmakers are wrangling over taxing people who got big bonuses and worrying the president's budget could generate $9.3 trillion in red ink over the next decade."
- Kremlin to pitch new global currency [infowars.com]
Russia proposes creation of global super-reserve currency

Holy crap, even the Russians and Chinese get it. Strange days are here.

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Frosty Piss (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27353665)

Yay!

American cars.... (3, Insightful)

tpgp (48001) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353669)

Quote from the third link:

"it has a 3G connection all the time."
"There's HD, AUX, USB and iPod input to the car"
"there's no start button. You just sit there and wait for the car to detect your RFID presence."

Keep on building kinda cool stuff that noone actually wants & they'll keep having their lunch eaten by the Japanese & Koreans.

Re:American cars.... (3, Insightful)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353753)

The RFID tag is also very interesting. When you walk up to the car, the Model S detects your RFID keytag and pops out the handles for you. When you want to start up the car, there's no start button. You just sit there and wait for the car to detect your RFID presence.

WTF? What if I stand near my car and don't want it to open or start up?

Sounds like a usability nightmare.

the most interesting feature of which is that it has a 3G connection all the time.

Yay, now we can have a moving botnet!

Re:American cars.... (1)

sleigher (961421) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353769)

Yay, now we can have a moving botnet!

Maybe it'll be faster?

Re:American cars.... (4, Insightful)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353863)

The RFID could be done properly. The handles pop out as you are within a meter of your door. Then the car starts while you are sitting. It isn't like a gas car starting isn't really a big problem. I don't know why if i'm sitting in the front seat I'd need the car to be off. The reasons you would shut off a car in that position aren't present in a full electric car.

Re:American cars.... (3, Insightful)

tftp (111690) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354115)

The reasons you would shut off a car in that position aren't present in a full electric car.

Reasons like climate control and DRL and radio are present in all cars.

Re:American cars.... (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354231)

Amazingly my computer can be 'on' without music playing or the fans on or screen or camera or wireless or bluetooth or vidcard or hdd or usb or cd... Pretty sure the car could manage the same. If not, it would be a coding problem not a key problem.

Re:American cars.... (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354239)

The RFID could be done properly. The handles pop out as you are within a meter of your door. Then the car starts while you are sitting.

That's still not done properly. Maybe I'm within a meter of the car because I'm getting in the trunk. Or fetching the coffee cup I left on the roof. Maybe I'm sitting in the seat, but not actually ready to leave because I'm still talking to someone. Or reading the magazine I just picked up. Or fetching something I left on the passenger seat. Or in the glove box.
 
The grandparent has it right - this is a usability nightmare.

Re:American cars.... (1)

PseudoIdiot (1513789) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354301)

That's still not done properly. Maybe I'm within a meter of the car because I'm getting in the trunk. Or fetching the coffee cup I left on the roof. Maybe I'm sitting in the seat, but not actually ready to leave because I'm still talking to someone. Or reading the magazine I just picked up. Or fetching something I left on the passenger seat. Or in the glove box.

You do realize that every other, non Model S car, ever made, ALWAYS have their door handles popped out, right?

Re:American cars.... (1)

Goodgerster (904325) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353937)

It doesn't "start up" like a fossil-powered car. The motor idles at 0 rpm, rotating only to drive the wheels. Further, on similar cars (Volvo S80, etc) the doors will re-lock when you move away from them, and the car won't be driveable for very long without the key inside it either. I imagine the makers of this car, having previously engineered a virtually brand-new powertrain, will be able to properly implement keyless entry.

Re:American cars.... (1)

diesel66 (254283) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354003)

(although I didn't read the article...)

It probably checks to see if someone is actually sitting in the driver's seat (all buckled in, of course) before it starts.

Re:American cars.... (1)

pegdhcp (1158827) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353781)

I can understand 3G connection, that might have real applications, like real time traffic update. (Which we have in my city but it is not safe to use on a smart phone while driving)

On the other hand, lack of start button, what the hell? Who would want to use a computer that you cannot turn it on and off at will. Oops, we were talking about a car, well...

Re:American cars.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27353851)

Well if it's electric, it doesn't really matter whether it's off or on, except for the power used by the computer.

Re:American cars.... (1)

a09bdb811a (1453409) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353845)

Keep on building kinda cool stuff that noone actually wants

How do you know what Noone [wikipedia.org] wants?

Re:American cars.... (2, Insightful)

drago177 (150148) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353991)

OTOH, the AUX & ipod input probably cost $1 each. I don't understand why every car built after 2005 doesn't have those.

Re:American cars.... (1)

Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354015)

The Japanese and the Koreans would be delighted to have as long a waiting list of customers as Tesla has, especially if they were selling those backordered cars at a price that would get you a house in many parts of the country.

Re:American cars.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27354335)

The Japanese and the Koreans would be delighted to have as long a waiting list of customers as Tesla has, especially if they were selling those backordered cars at a price that would get you a house in many parts of the country.

They don't have waiting lists like Tesla because they actually make cars. I'm sure they're quite happy to have a product to sell.

Re:American cars.... (1)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354055)

Make an affordable electric car with a decent range. That's it. All this other crap just adds unnecessary complexity and cost. RFID to detect your presence? What the hell are they thinking...

Re:American cars.... (4, Insightful)

MadUndergrad (950779) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354143)

They (Tesla) can't make it affordable. That's why they have to make it luxury. No one will pay those prices without those extra features.

Re:American cars.... (1)

IrquiM (471313) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354475)

$49,900 is at least affordable here in Norway.

You barely get a VW Golf for that price here.

Re:American cars.... (1)

tftp (111690) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354163)

What the hell are they thinking...

They are thinking of selling you a $1,000 option that costs $10 to build. Include a few of these and suddenly their business is profitable... which may be a necessity because parts for electric cars still cost too much. Nobody can afford a common Volkswagen-class all-electric car, that's why all these premium options are there - to mask the cost.

Re:American cars.... (1)

Antidamage (1506489) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354181)

It's a luxury car with features targeting a certain class of car owner. Their lunch is far from being eaten given they're the only high performance electric car being produced on this scale. I think what you're really saying is that you wish you had one and you're pissed off that they're expensive. The main problem there is that the ideal Tesla owner has two of them. One to drive and one to charge at home.

Re:American cars.... (2, Interesting)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354381)

Keep on building kinda cool stuff that noone actually wants & they'll keep having their lunch eaten by the Japanese & Koreans.

Pft. I've spent hundreds of dollars adding these types of things to my car. I'd give anything to get my hands on that touch-screen.

Anyway, people don't know what they want if it's available yet. Sure, the average person might not even realize you can plug an iPod into a car. But when someone new gets in my car and discovers the interface for the first time, they immediately fall in love with it. Ditto with all the other features. People look at me weird when I tell them I've put a computer in the car, but once they see it, everyone loves it.

So, long story short, you never know what people want until you offer it to them, and if you think that innovation and creativity are bad things then you must be employed in banking or accounting rather than marketing or r&d.

So now we're using 'leaked' in place of 'posted'? (0, Troll)

davester666 (731373) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353703)

If everything 'leaked' to the internet was actually leaked, the whole internet would only be as secure as a Microsoft server.

Cow of the future? (0, Flamebait)

saihung (19097) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353705)

Did they run out of ways to increase the sticker price on this thing and make up for it by just covering every surface in leather? Does the car for the 21st century have to look like a cow died in it?

Re:Cow of the future? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27353717)

I like leather

Re:Cow of the future? (3, Insightful)

mark_hill97 (897586) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353821)

The cow is dying anyways for food. Why do we need to waste it's skin just so some hippies can feel better about it. The Native Americans used to pay honor to the animals they hunted by finding a way to use every piece of the remains, letting nothing go to waste.

Besides, that's imitation leather anyways.

Re:Cow of the future? (1)

bitrex (859228) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354225)

The Native Americans used to pay honor to the animals they hunted by finding a way to use every piece of the remains, letting nothing go to waste.

While this sounds true in an "everybody knows that" kind of way, is there any historical evidence that there actually were certain rituals that were performed by tribes to honor deceased animals besides using all its parts, which could be explained as just prudent behavior in areas where resources were scarce? I've heard people remark on this aspect of Native American religion before but I can't say I've ever read any references that detailed a particular example of it. I'm not trying to troll - I'm not attempting to put down Native Americans and certainly enjoy a steak now and then; I'm genuinely curious.

Re:Cow of the future? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27353859)

Go to hell smelly hippy.

Re:Cow of the future? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27353901)

Take a bath, or something

Where's the plug? (1)

rnaiguy (1304181) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353727)

The only thing I really want to see is how this thing is charged. How could that picture possibly be omitted?

Re:Where's the plug? (5, Funny)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353799)

The only thing I really want to see is how this thing is charged.

Credit card

Touchscreen in a car? (4, Insightful)

SoupIsGoodFood_42 (521389) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353743)

Call me old fashion, but the center console of a car is a place where I prefer to have physical controls that don't need to be looked at in order to use. Perhaps they plan to back it up with some other type of UI, such as voice recognition or a HUD?

Re:Touchscreen in a car? (2, Funny)

psone (1416351) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353813)

Voice recognition combined to the hazards of driving (and the swearing of the driver) could lead to a whole new series of bad jokes...

Re:Voice Recognition in a car? (1)

Logic Worshiper (1480539) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353947)

Driver: Learn to drive you motherfucking asshole.
Car: Please clam down, your aggravation is safety hazard.
Driver: Fuck you Car! If you don't shut the fuck up I'm going to drive you into something.
Car: That would not be advisable, attempting that may result in property damage and injury.
Driver: Want to see... (Then slams car into a tree, in an attempt to teach the car a lesson)

Re:Voice Recognition in a car? (2, Funny)

pnevin (168332) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354027)

Fuck you!

I'm afraid I can't do that Dave

Re:Touchscreen in a car? (1)

Deanalator (806515) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353835)

You are old fashion.

That's like complaining that the leaver is so much more useful than the button. It is the same reasoning that people have against iphone keyboards, and after a couple weeks, I could type on that thing with my eyes closed.

There is the added advantage of being able to have multiple control consoles in the same convenient area, instead of having arrays of buttons and knobs all the hell over the place.

Re:Touchscreen in a car? (2, Interesting)

SoupIsGoodFood_42 (521389) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353879)

I own an iPhone and the touchscreen is great because most of the time I'm using it, I'm looking at it. A touchscreen would be great if it also had physical buttons for the important things, such as de-fogging the windscreen.

Re:Touchscreen in a car? (2, Informative)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353893)

Tactile feedback is real. Typing speeds go up a good deal when you have actual keys. And you have to move your fingers further with them... I mean F and J on almost all keyboards have an extra nib just for feedback. If it wasn't useful it wouldn't be there.

Stop Deanalating us, please (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27353939)

You must be under 25.

You're so enthralled by glassy shiny things like your iPhone (and everyone else's) that the idea of physical controls with physical, tactile feedback is automatically old hat.

The very fact that you had to spend time learning to type on your little Apple-branded toy proves the inappropriateness of touchscreen controls in situations where you should be focusing on something else - like, say, driving. With physical controls you can 'feel around' for something. With a touch screen, you HAVE to look.

I also call bullshit on your "eyes closed" assertion. Try it. You won't finish a single goddamned paragraph. No peeking, now.

Re:Touchscreen in a car? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354421)

I could type on that thing with my eyes closed.

Do you drive like that? It would explain why you can't see that this is a stupid idea.

Re:Touchscreen in a car? (1)

EGenius007 (1125395) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353839)

Or just a good UI design. When you have to have 3 knobs for the heating system, 8 buttons & 3 knobs for the radio, 4 buttons for your GPS, etc. all in a fairly small space (center console) then, sure, it makes sense to provide tactile feedback.

On the other hand, if you can give the user 3-4 simple, intuitive buttons to select the option they want in 2 clicks, and then reduce most functions to 2 giant "UP" and "DOWN" buttons...

Re:Touchscreen in a car? (2, Insightful)

SoupIsGoodFood_42 (521389) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353929)

I'm not sure you understand good UI design, because it's completely depended on what the interface is used for. If I'm barreling down the motorway and notice that the windscreen is starting to fog up, there should be a reliable way to deal with that that doesn't require me to take my eyes off the road or press more than one button. Perhaps if we're talking about something more complex like the radio, that is different -- A dynamic UI could be much better in that case.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of advantages for a dynamic touchscreen interface in a car, but that doesn't mean you should replace the entire console with a single UI method. Compromise can be a good thing. Of course, without more details, it's hard to say if what they've done here is a good or bad thing.

Re:Touchscreen in a car? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354471)

On the other hand, if you can give the user 3-4 simple, intuitive buttons to select the option they want in 2 clicks, and then reduce most functions to 2 giant "UP" and "DOWN" buttons...

The problem with that is it can take you a long time to get through the menu system because the fewer the buttons, the deeper the menu tree must be. You also have to remember where in the tree you are while (presumably) concentrating on something else.

Seems like another solution looking for a problem.

Re:Touchscreen in a car? (2, Insightful)

pgn674 (995941) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353953)

Or maybe something interesting. Like, vibrate the screen when your finger is on a pressable button. Or, have audio feedback in a similar manner or maybe when your finger is hovering over the screen. Not voice with words, but tones.

Re:Touchscreen in a car? (1)

pipingguy (566974) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354273)

Like with the BlackBerry Storm? I'm disappointed with the feedback delay, should have gotten the Bold.

How delicate is this screen? (4, Interesting)

khallow (566160) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353969)

I wonder what it takes to damage this screen? Could a 4 year old kick it in? Or would it crack if some large cargo in the passenger seat shifted into it?

Re:How delicate is this screen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27354201)

I don't think 4 year olds are allowed in the front seat now a days. If we're lucky, 16 year olds won't be allowed either... (my son turns 16 in August, and the idea of him driving...)

Re:Touchscreen in a car? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27354213)

You're right. Controls that have useful tactile feedback are less likely to distract you while driving. For example, my Renault Laguna has heating and air-con controls that are too low and while there are real buttons, you have to look at an LCD display (low down) to see what you've selected. The couple of seconds that you have to take your eye off the road could be the seconds that a child runs out in front of you. A touchscreen is even worse. If I worked for the regulatory powers, I wouldn't let this car on the road.

Re:Touchscreen in a car? (2, Interesting)

Rick17JJ (744063) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354369)

When I was a teenager, I loved simple collection of, easy to find, large knobs and levers on my dad's 1971 Volvo 142E. I knew where every control was by memory and never, ever, had to take my eyes off the road to adjust anything. Without looking, or hardly even thinking, I could easily adjust the heater, defroster, A/C, windshield wipers, or the radio. The knobs and levers were large enough to easily be operated by a driver wearing winter gloves. The clicks, range of motion and other sounds, gave clear auditory and tactile feedback, confirming that I had properly adjusted the knob or lever.

Over the last 20 years, I have been disappointed at how it has become necessary to take my eyes of the road, for several seconds, to adjust much of anything. It is no longer possible, on modern cars and trucks, to find or operate the controls by feel, without looking. I would prefer to be able to keep my eyes on the road at all times. The complicated digital controls on modern cars and trucks are a step backwards from the standpoint of safety.

At least, I can still find the steering wheel, gas pedal, brake and clutch pedals by touch, without looking. Those have not yet gone digital, thank goodness.

Boring! (1, Insightful)

MrMista_B (891430) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353849)

Alright, the /internal/ tech might be neat, but...

It looks just like EVERY OTHER CAR put out in the last 20 years.

Seriously, have car makers forgotten to make a car look like anything other than a squashed jelly bean?

Tech might be nice, but it's just as dull and unimaginatevly plain looking as just about every other soulless melted bean blob out there.

Dissapointing.

Re:Boring! (1)

SoupIsGoodFood_42 (521389) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353975)

I think it looks great -- not dull or unimaginative at all. Much better than the roadster. But then again, I am a fan of conservative design (as well as "out there" designs). What do you think it should have looked like?

Re:Boring! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27353999)

If a "squashed jelly bean" happens to be the most aerodynamically efficient shape, then so be it, I'm glad. It's convergent evolution in action.

Re:Boring! (1)

TheMCP (121589) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354047)

Yeah, I'm with you! Cars should be designed to be pretty and interesting to look at instead of aerodynamic, functional, non-polluting, and efficient! It's far more important that we enjoy looking at our cars than that we be able to afford the fuel for them or that we have clean air to breathe!

Re:Boring! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27354089)

Unfortunately, the air flowing around your car doesn't care how "awesome and imaginative" it looks. Just think of the shape as a performance feature.

Re:Boring! (1)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354135)

Actually, it does look a lot like a current Jaguar or maybe a Mondeo. However, it looks nothing like a Toyota, Peugeot, Fiat, Porsche, Chrysler, or any number of cars produced in the last 20 years.

Re:Boring! (1)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354247)

Yeah, it does look like a combination of current premium cars, and especially remids me of the Jaguar XF concept [google.com] . That's not a very bad thing, and at least it doesn't look like a fucking Prius.

Re:Boring! (1)

polar red (215081) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354249)

I was thinking it looks like a 'maserati quattroporte'

Re:Boring! (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354221)

I don't know, I thought similarly about the original Tesla when I saw the pictures, that is was nothing much, but last week I saw one on the street, and I have to say it looked COOL. The only other car that looks that nice when you see it on the street is a Ferrari, and those cost two or three times more. So maybe in real life this one will look good too.

Either way, I can't afford it.

Re:Boring! (1)

maitai (46370) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354261)

You have seen their original car, right?

Re:Boring! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27354299)

As soon as I saw the tight fitting fenders (over the tires), I could see that there is very little ride travel for the suspension. This is going to be a very hard & harsh riding car.

And... the electric car is still not quite there (5, Interesting)

DrBuzzo (913503) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353857)

It's amazing people still think the big oil companies killed the electric car and not the inherent difficulties of making a car run on electricity and still have an acceptable range.

The S-Series Tesla is a very nice electric car, which it should be for the price of 55 grand! It still is not a car I could drive even if I could afford it.

The range of the S-Series is reported to be about 150 miles, with plans for a 300-mile extended range version (which will cost thousands more). The original intent was 225 miles, but they've since brought that down to 150. The 300 mile upgrade, (assuming it's not vaporware) won't be around for a while.

Read the fine print, though. That's basically under optimal driving conditions. Air conditioning and combination of accelerating and stopping will drop that, potentially to around 100 miles.

For me, that would be enough for 90% of my driving, but yesterday I drove from my home to New York City, as I often do, and that was about 110 miles to Midtown. That's not what I consider an especially long drive and I know plenty of people who drive that far or further on a fairly regular basis.

That kind of range is just cutting it too close. Maybe if I didn't use the air conditioning too much and I drove conservatively I could squeeze in within the range and still have a bit extra, but that's way too close for comfort. One extremely nasty stop and go traffic jam or unexpected detour and I could be dead on the side of the road.

I don't think I'm alone in not being able to reasonably buy two cars - an electric one for most stuff and a gasoline one for when I need to go on a longer trip. The S-Series would not even be able to get me reliably to a city 2.5 hours from my home, like Boston - and it's not unusual for me to drive to a city like Boston.

Amazing that even at this price, it still isn't there yet.

Re:And... the electric car is still not quite ther (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27353983)

Does the US have no public transportation? Who wants to drive 2,5 hrs if he could just lean back and relax instead :-)

Re:And... the electric car is still not quite ther (1)

DMUTPeregrine (612791) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354117)

The US has no public transportation. At least not any effective public transportation, except possibly sidewalks and a bike.

Re:And... the electric car is still not quite ther (1)

maitai (46370) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354241)

Except bike == on same roads as cars. I'm been hit by cards twice just walking down the sidewalk, I don't think I'd want to try a bike.

Re:And... the electric car is still not quite ther (4, Interesting)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354265)

It sounds like parent is being snarky but he's not. The U.S. has no public transit. There are probably less than a half-dozen major urban markets where you can survive without a car. Everywhere else it's pretty much a daily necessity. And I speak as one who doesn't own a car -- I am a bigtime anomaly and my choice not to drive does force me to make sacrifices.

Re:And... the electric car is still not quite ther (2, Insightful)

istartedi (132515) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354289)

The US has public transportation in some places. In many places that have it however, you will not "lean back and relax" for a length of time comparable to what it would take you to drive.

I know somebody with a medical license suspension. For something that the system is designed to do, it's OK. Downtown San Jose to Mountain View? Not bad. Suburban San Jose to Half Moon Bay? Yeah, you can do it--in, IIRC, 5 or 6 hours. That's assuming you catch the transfers. He got part way by PT, and I drove him over the hills.

Then there are some economic factors that work against it too. Caltrain from Redwood City to San Francisco? A day pass is $8 (maybe less if you ride often, but probably not astoundingly less). If two people want to take this trip, that's $16. Now, if we carpool, the car burned $8 worth of gas, and this was when gas was $4/gal. By splitting the gas, we've already dropped the round trip cost to $4 a head.

This is why a car pool wins big vs. PT. You can't really "train pool"... it's already pooled. A 4-person carpool from Redwood City to SF would cost $2/person if they split the gas. You have to multiply $4/gal gas by a factor of FOUR to beat that... $16/gal! Of course, the 2-person carpool breaks even with the train at $8/gal. Isn't gas in most EU countries about $8/gal? Maybe that's what you have to do in order to make PT economical. It won't happen in the US, because it's a political non-starter. The only way for gas to cost that much here is because oil costs that much, and then in that case the PT system has to raise prices too. The only way to make PT the better option is to tax the living daylights out of gas, and use the proceeds to build PT. I don't see that happening unless actual gas shortages arise, and by then it would have to be hardcore, emergency PT buildouts just to save towns from isolation--real, dire, WWII style gas rationing.

Re:And... the electric car is still not quite ther (1)

pnevin (168332) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354057)

It's amazing people still think the big oil companies killed the electric car and not the inherent difficulties of making a car run on electricity and still have an acceptable range.

Yeah, right. And Steve Guttenberg's a star because he's a good actor.

Re:And... the electric car is still not quite ther (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354073)

I think electric cars will drop in price below that of a gas car in under 10years. I'm talking total cost not just initial though. Generally though. I think for a trip over 2hours it makes sense to take public transit... NVM... Its kinda silly that's not in place for you. Torrington to NYC round trip is like 65bucks. By car gas is about 26$. How ridiculous is it that a bus where you split the cost between 30 other people ends up almost twice the cost.

Going on a tangent: It'd cost the bus about 40$ in gas (7mpg), 80$ on a driver (15$/hr), 10$ maintenance, 20$ for stops and offices, over 20people... should cost around 9.00$ :S And buses can hold 45people so that's at below half capacity with the business taking a 20% cut ontop... Stupid monopolies

Re:And... the electric car is still not quite ther (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354439)

I think for a trip over 2hours it makes sense to take public transit

The problem is that a 2 hour trip by car will probably be 3 hours by bus. And that's without counting the drive to the bus station, and the wait for the bus. And then there's the problem of transportation on the other side, if you're traveling to multiple destinations in one city. So, in other words, screw public transportation.

I live in one city, and every weekend I drive my car to another city to visit friends and family. The trip is about 180km (112 miles) each way. It simply makes no sense at all for me to take public transit. It's cheaper and much more convenient to drive. And I actually like driving, which is a bonus.

Re:And... the electric car is still not quite ther (3, Insightful)

drago177 (150148) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354079)

Ok, we get it. This car is almost, but ultimately, not for you. But I think it is for anyone who A) lives w/in 100mi from a repair shop, and B)
1. likes public transport every once in a while, or
2. has a 2nd vehicle, or
3. lives with someone with a vehicle they can borrow, or
4. takes long trips so seldom they don't mind the public transport

OR, anyone who has enough money to afford sending the car off for repairs and has a concern for the environment, or doesn't like sending money to the middle east, where some ends up in the hands of al queida, or believes in global warming, or likes to show off their tech, etc.

Think roundtrip (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354277)

There are a lot of places in the Bay Area where a drive into San Francisco would be around 45 miles. That's less than an hour of freeway driving. The trick here is that most people also want to drive home again. What's the use of driving a car into the city if the only place you can drive it is to a shop where they can plug it in and recharge it while you're at your appointment? (And then you have to take the bus from the recharge hookup to wherever you were going?)

Re:And... the electric car is still not quite ther (1)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354405)

Also... me, me, me, me, me!

Dude, you're probably not the target market. This ain't a mass-market product, and if you can't afford two cars (or a train ticket) you probably can't afford this ride.

Re:And... the electric car is still not quite ther (1)

ChinggisK (1133009) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354413)

I don't think I'm alone in not being able to reasonably buy two cars - an electric one for most stuff and a gasoline one for when I need to go on a longer trip. The S-Series would not even be able to get me reliably to a city 2.5 hours from my home, like Boston - and it's not unusual for me to drive to a city like Boston.

Anyone that can afford a 55 grand S-Series Tesla can afford a 10 grand, 30mpg gas Kia.

All digital displays... (1)

Evil_Medic1 (1345503) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353861)

In an all electric car?
Would these cut into range compared to primarially analog dials and switches with displays only for navigation/ stereo readout?
Also, note the displays in place of the guage cluster.

Read the fine print (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353871)

Of course you have to pay the shipping to cart it to California every TWELVE THOUSAND MILES to have it serviced by the only authorized Tesla mechanics in the world, unless of course you want to void your warranty. I wonder what being without your car for a month every year feels like. Surely the $3000 you pay for shipping is less than what you saved that year on gas, right? Another little detail is that the battery life is 100,000 miles. Umm, I would hate to think how much replacing the batteries costs. Providing Tesla doesn't follow the Apple pricing plan, they might cost less than a new car.

      I guess it's fine if you live in LA, or within 200 miles of the dealership. Now we need more dealerships/repair centers asap if this is going to go anywhere...

Re:Read the fine print (1)

thesolo (131008) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354101)

Tesla claim the battery replacements will "well under $5000" [autoblog.com] , or so says Elon Musk.

Interesting thing, the car will only have 160 mi range on the base model. Getting 300 mi on a charge requires 2 battery upgrades.

Lithium? (1)

sakonofie (979872) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353883)

The song playing in all of the pictures is Lithium by Nirvana. Lets just look up what that song is about [wikipedia.org] :

The song ... tells the story of a man who finds religion as a last resort after the death of his girlfriend.

*blink* I dunno what exactly this says about why the car was built, but I think there is an employee at Tesla who needs a hug.

No ignition? (1)

Smashe01 (1486933) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353927)

What if you want to sit in the car without it being on? Do you have to wait for it to start up, then turn it off in the console?

Re:No ignition? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354319)

Define "on".

Yes its a big touch screen -- but.... (1)

djfuq (1151563) | more than 5 years ago | (#27353959)

Does it run Linux?

Great... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27353981)

Yet another step away from user-maintainable automobiles.
The authorized service mechanics are going to love this.

I heard it would retail for $50,000. That's... (2, Interesting)

istartedi (132515) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354035)

I heard it would retail for $50,000. That's 25 Tata Nanos. It's a little more than 2 of my current car when it was brand new (I drive a '07 Honda Civic). Oh, and my Honda can just... you know... fill up when it gets to the end of its range.

I think I'll pass on this. The hybrid Aptera still looks promising though. I think Tesla kinda blew it. The sportster is cool, I live near their HQ and see them all the time. It may end up as a very special collector car. Hmmm... the roadster might be a better investment than the company.

We'll see in 3 years time. (3, Informative)

thesolo (131008) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354085)

Keep in mind that although they have finally shown the world their new saloon car, it won't be available for purchase until Q3-Q4 of 2011. Which means we have almost three full years before this car will actually be rolling out onto a street at all.

Think about any concept car you've ever seen, and then think about all of the nifty conceptual bits that weren't there 2-3 years later when the car actually went to production.

All of that said, I like the look of the car, but I'd prefer something smaller and not quite so heavy. Then again, as a single male, I'm not the target demographic for a large saloon that seats seven. I wish they'd produce something like the Roadster for the price point of this car.

I'll wait for actual car (2, Insightful)

dvh.tosomja (1235032) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354161)

Does anybody remember how GM Volt prototype looked like. I said to myself "wow, I want that car". When they start to actually selling that car, it look like Seat Toledo of my grandpa.

Very unattractive. (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354251)

That touchscreen is unattractive and a human engineering disaster. It is far too crowded and "busy", the controls are poorly laid out, and even color is used badly.

Talk about "distracted driving"! This thing should be outlawed.

Clarification (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354271)

When one drives a car for any length of time, one gets to know the controls by feel. Good human engineering properly separates the controls not only by look, but also by position, shape and feel.

When you CAN'T feel, you are forced to look at the controls every time, taking your eyes off the road. In addition, the controls are crowded close together, further necessitating taking your attention off the road.

Very, very poor design.

Re:Clarification (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354433)

The touch screen seems to mainly concern itself with entertainment and environmental control. These are a UI mess anyway. Controls for lights, indicators etc are presumably in the usual places.

cars are for driving (2, Insightful)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354311)

Cars are, first and foremost, for getting from point A to point B. The ideal is to do so comfortably.

The touchscreen looks like it would do anything but. I can imagine:

1) The backlit display interfering with night vision, even at a very low brightness level
2) Being unable to do simple - trivial - things, like change the radio station or skip a CD/mp3 track without looking away from the road.
3) Being able to quickly and efficiently finding (visually) the appropriate widget to tell you the information you're looking for.

That touchscreen doesn't even have widgets of a size and type which help you quickly identify what you're looking for! They look like mock-buttons, ffs! Weather/temp in particular.

Air Conditioning Options (1)

daggre (631200) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354457)

This is getting closer to my price range, but it doesn't appear to have any kind of cooling system, at least they've been mum on the subject so I assume that's the case. As I live in Texas, that's a pretty big deal... Tesla: Here's an idea... Given that there's space under the hood that's not being used, install some Vortex Tubes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_tube) in the front of the car and funnel the cooled air into the cab for A/C. It would only work while you were moving fast enough to generate the compressed air, but it would be better than nothing.

Well ... if they had to copy someone ... (1)

Edmund Blackadder (559735) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354481)

I am glad they had the good taste to copy maserati ...

But... (1)

johndmartiniii (1213700) | more than 5 years ago | (#27354483)

...does it run Linux? It is only a matter of time before someone (with a shitload of money) starts porting Debian. Could make for some interesting driving. Seriously though, what do you do when this thing won't boot? Makes for some interesting driving.
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