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Pirate Bay To Offer VPN For $7 a Month 461

Death Metal sends along an Ars Technica piece about The Pirate Bay's plans for a virtual private network service to help ensure its users' privacy. "The Pirate Bay is planning to launch a paid VPN service for users looking to cover their tracks when torrenting. The new service will be called IPREDator, named after the Swedish Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement Directive (IPRED) that will go into effect in April. IPREDator is currently in private beta and is expected to go public next week for €5 per month. ... IPREDator's website says that it won't store any traffic data, as its entire goal is to help people stay anonymous on the web. Without any data to hand over, copyright owners won't be able to find individuals to target. ... The question remains, however, if any significant portion of The Pirate Bay's users will decide to fork over 5 Euro per month solely to remain anonymous. It seems more likely that the majority either won't care, or will simply start looking for lesser-known torrent trackers to use."
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Pirate Bay To Offer VPN For $7 a Month

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  • Erm (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ilovegeorgebush ( 923173 ) * on Friday March 27, 2009 @11:31AM (#27357993) Homepage
    You're as anonymous as your credit card details allow you to be. How are you supposed to pay for something web-based without handing over your details?

    Furthermore, couldn't the courts just request THB hand over a list of paying customers if it were pertinent to a case?
    • Re:Erm (Score:5, Informative)

      by SatanicPuppy ( 611928 ) * <Satanicpuppy.gmail@com> on Friday March 27, 2009 @11:35AM (#27358053) Journal

      Yea, so? If there are no traffic records, all they would know is that those people pay for a service, not that they actually used it to download anything.

      It's not illegal to pay someone for a secure connection, and since damages in most cases are attached to download records, they would have nothing to stand on really.

    • by batquux ( 323697 )

      This is like buying a 'gold delivery service' from Blackbeard.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Loadmaster ( 720754 )

      You're right that the user will not be totally anonymous, but TPB said they will not store traffic logs. Basically, even if they get your name as a user they cannot tie any illegal action to you. Just ask the RIAA how well lawsuits work with dynamic IP addresses. They paid out over $100,000 to Tonya Anderson of Beaverton, OR because of this.

    • You are purchasing a VPN Service. nothing illegal about that. Now, track who paid for it, their downloads, the torrents they nabbed, the IP from which it was nabbed, match to known copyrighted materials.... Sounds an expensive and a possibly futile search given who is running this party. It would also require they hire geeks very good at this sort of thing and fluent in Swedish. If nothing else it will result in new and interesting letters in the PB legals...
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by FictionPimp ( 712802 )

      Buy a visa gift card with cash?

  • Considering you have to pay them somehow, won't the authorities be able to extradite the client information that way? Granted, The Pirate Bay claims they won't log your activity, but having an account with them might put you under scrutiny.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by joelmax ( 1445613 )
      Yes, but really, if they only have your name and address, they can't search your home/sieze your system simply for having a vpn account with TPB. You are not violating any laws to have that account, therefore probable cause *shouldn't* work on the simple grounds that millions of people around the world use/connect to vpns all the time. Now IANAL by any means, and who knows what sort of strong-arm/sneaky tactics could be used... but simply having a vpn with TPB shouldn't be enough cause to gain a warrant.
      • Well, they were able to torture and imprison you without trial for "terrorist activities". They are able to take your laptop away for having encryption at a border search. I'd say that, realistically, they could probably have a warrant issued(or would just illegally search and seize) against you for having a VPN account with a web site filled with "illegal" material. Just because they shouldn't doesn't mean they won't.

  • Why would anyone need to "cover their tracks when torrenting" unless he was doing something illegal?

    • by Per Wigren ( 5315 ) on Friday March 27, 2009 @11:42AM (#27358173) Homepage

      Illegal is not necessarily the same thing as immoral, wrong, evil, bad.

      Maybe the laws are wrong and should be changed? Before that can happen though, this will help people in need of privacy. You can look at it as a kind of civil disobedience.

    • Why would you shut your blinds unless you were doing something illegal? Why would you password protect your computer unless you have child porn on it? Some people just like their privacy. You don't have to be doing illegal things to want to keep your habits private.

      To be clear, I'm not arguing the likelihood of the service being used for anonymization of illegal activity.

    • Users Rights. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by geekmux ( 1040042 ) on Friday March 27, 2009 @11:59AM (#27358477)

      Why would anyone need to "cover their tracks when torrenting" unless he was doing something illegal?

      Ah, careful there. You're coming dangerously close to arguing the old "mind of I search your car/house, what do you have to hide?"...

      Remove the torrent-laced, copyright-riddled emotion from this for a moment. It's about offering users a service to stay anonymous while using the web. The concept is certainly not new (care for a fresh onion on your browser burger?), this one just happens to be offered by a fairly popular website. Something tells me if Google were to offer the same thing, we wouldn't be talking about people hiding Gmail content.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by mlts ( 1038732 ) *

        When I see the "you have nothing to hide" argument, I see people forget one thing when they use it:

        Criminals want any and all information to strike as well. Have no locks on the doors to make it easier for police to do their duty, but it makes it a cinch for crooks to do a heist too.

        Same with hard disk encryption. I use it because if my laptop gets stolen, I don't want the data on it being used for extortion/blackmail/ID theft. Enterprises use backup systems with AES encryption and advanced key managemen

  • Arr (Score:2, Informative)

    by Inda ( 580031 )
    If you are willing to pay something, why not use something else like the old University Networks. No uploads. Maximum download speeds your pipe can handle.
  • I hope that the RIAA and all the other IP zealots realize the delicious irony that if they hadn't come down so hard on the pirate bay to begin with, they might never have even though of offering such a strong way for its users to cover their own asses. Looks like the Copyright Overlords may have unintentionally done something right by trying to do something wrong!
    • It's the simple natural progression of things. When it comes to the Internet, people have shown time and time again that they can and will find a technical solution to route around any law that they see as unjust or unfair.

  • Rhapsody [real.com] is a subscription based music service with monthly fee of 15$. Someone will make it with 7$/month soon I am sure of it. Why be pirate if you have to pay for it?

    Rex Ping [cybertechnews.org]

    • While I'm not condoning copyright infringement here (which, while you can be sued for it, is not the same as theft because it does not actually deprive them of anything tangible, "possible sales" are not a tangible thing to be stolen, otherwise it would be illegal for a company to compete with another company), with a subscription service, you do not get to keep the files. If you cancel your subscription, those files are deactivated unless you remove the DRM. Removing the DRM is illegal according to the DMC

  • Years ago, the US Government opened up one of these Anonymous web surfing sites. There was no indication that it was the US Government. The let this run for considerable time. After a while, the truth came out in a proceeding. The US Government was using this Anonymous site to find people violating US law. Many people ended up in the tank.

    If you send ALL your traffic to this VPN service, what makes you think you are safe? While PB may not log, what is to stop a government from forcing PB to place

    • by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 27, 2009 @11:58AM (#27358467)

      Years ago, the US Government opened up one of these Anonymous web surfing sites. There was no indication that it was the US Government. The let this run for considerable time. After a while, the truth came out in a proceeding. The US Government was using this Anonymous site to find people violating US law. Many people ended up in the tank.

      If you send ALL your traffic to this VPN service, what makes you think you are safe? While PB may not log, what is to stop a government from forcing PB to place their own logging device inline?

      After being a very quick and nice dialup service, Earthlink suffered a year of horrible response times, poor performance, and high drops. Then it quit, but not until after they lost a lot of subscribers. In a case it turned up that the US Government put these tracking devices inline between Earthlink and their backbone connections which was the cause of the slowdowns. The current crop, though, don't have this issue.

      People need to think about these things.

      Do you have some proof for these claims?

    • by Dan667 ( 564390 )
      It is a VPN, not a regular connection and outside snooping would be pretty hard. To be honest there are probably only a hand full of gov agencies in the world that could do it and they don't care about copyright law. If you look at the competency of the prosecution in the TPB trial it is clear the RIAA don't have any access to them. Occam's razor.
  • by A. B3ttik ( 1344591 ) on Friday March 27, 2009 @11:51AM (#27358347)
    Suppose this takes off and TPB starts raking in cash.

    This shows that even Pirates are willing to fork over money and pay for the products if the service is good enough and the price is low enough.

    Netflix already has similar Pay-for-Unlimited-Access plans between $8 and $20... and if TPB is successful, I predict that more distributors will move to this service model.

    Imagine Blockbuster or Amazon or iTunes saying: "Take whatever you want. Movies, music, ANYTHING. $20/month." They'd make a fortune. Hell, if you threw games in there, I'd personally pay like $100/month.
    • by Dan667 ( 564390 ) on Friday March 27, 2009 @12:11PM (#27358653)
      they are to greedy to understand that they would make a lot more delivering something that people want that they could own than trying to squeeze a nickel out of everything even if it costs most of it to try make it work and have a draconian DRM system. I think a lot of this is driven by egos, control, and middle manager charts that are out of touch with the real world.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Microlith ( 54737 )

      This shows that even Pirates are willing to fork over money and pay for the products if the service is good enough and the price is low enough.

      Sure, they're willing to pay $7/month for VPN, they aren't willing to pay for what they download. Take away the VPN and they'll keep pirating. Charge a fair price and they'll keep pirating.

      "Take whatever you want. Movies, music, ANYTHING. $20/month." They'd make a fortune.

      Sure, they'd make a fortune. But would the fortune they make cover the production costs of every

    • Maybe that's the business model of the future, but I would want to make sure at least some of my money ended up in the hands of the creators of the media I'm enjoying via that service.

      If Blockbuster or Amazon or iTunes did it, there would have to be an agreement with *someone* involved in the production of the works (hopefully artists directly; unfortunately it would probably be record companies and studios). If TPB does it, $0 goes to the artists, and I cannot agree with that. I know that studios and rec

  • Relakks [relakks.com], anyone?
    Strange that TFA doesn't mention it.

  • easy to block (Score:3, Insightful)

    by dickens ( 31040 ) on Friday March 27, 2009 @12:41PM (#27359239) Homepage

    The idea is vulnerable to traffic analysis. Once the IPs of the PB VPN endpoints are known, last mile providers could just drop traffic from them.

  • by Andy Dodd ( 701 ) <atd7NO@SPAMcornell.edu> on Friday March 27, 2009 @12:41PM (#27359241) Homepage

    The whole point of P2P is to use the bandwidth of each client as a server in addition. This relies on a network being distributed without a central bottleneck.

    VPNing in to TPB will introduce just such a bottleneck, killing performance. Or have they figured out a way to do point-to-point VPNing between all registered users?

    What VPN technology are they using? How does it work?

  • by discord5 ( 798235 ) on Friday March 27, 2009 @01:40PM (#27360285)

    Virtual Pirate Network, ijaaaaaaarrrr

    Oh come on, everyone was thinking it.

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