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Slashdot Keybindings, Dynamic Stories

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the we're-still-here dept.

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We've been working hard on the new dynamic Slashdot project (logged in users can enable this by enabling the beta index in their user preferences). I just wanted to quickly mention that there are keybindings on the index. The WASD and VI movement keys do stuff that we like, and the faq has the complete list. Also, if you are using Firefox or have Index2 beta enabled, you can click 'More' in the footer at the end of the page to load the next block of stories in-line without a page refresh. We're experimenting now with page sizes to balance load times against the likelihood that you'll click. More features will be coming soon, but the main thing on our agenda now is optimization. The beta index2 is sloooow and that's gotta change. We're aiming for 2 major optimizations this week (CSS Sprites, and removing an old YUI library) that I'm hoping will put the beta page render time into the "Sane" time frame (which, in case you are wondering, is several seconds faster than that "Insane" time frame we're currently seeing).

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Sane/Insane referring to pages or posts loading? (4, Insightful)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388467)

Because I'd personally be more tolerant of pages taking a few seconds longer to load everyone's comments up than the usually 5-30 second delay on previewing and submitting my own comments.

Re:Sane/Insane referring to pages or posts loading (2, Insightful)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388691)

Which is easily translatable to "I'm more interested in speaking than reading what other people might have to say on the issue".

Re:Sane/Insane referring to pages or posts loading (4, Insightful)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388793)

Which is even more easily translatable to "It's less disruptive for a page to load comments over time while I'm reading through them than it is for me to need to wait a minute or two just on previewing/submitting something I've already typed".

Re:Sane/Insane referring to pages or posts loading (4, Insightful)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390153)

"Which is easily translatable to "I'm more interested in speaking than reading what other people might have to say on the issue"."

Which is easily further translatable again to: I have a Slashdot account .

To be fair, if the guy has a clue, he would be more interesting in posting than reading, and he would be right to have the preference. For example, take your post. You missed major computing concepts like batch processing and time slices. The guy just wants one big time slice to load large amounts of data, and one small time slice to post small amounts of data. This is called intelligent system design.

How much should he be interested in reading your post? I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader(s).

Re:Sane/Insane referring to pages or posts loading (3, Insightful)

Swizec (978239) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388863)

Agreed. WHY does it take so long for my preview to load? Sure I can understand taking a while for comments to appear on the static page, but when I click Preview I want to see the fucking preview instead of wondering if some javascript somewhere crashed and nothing's about to happen.

Edit: you vile bastards, you've changed the delay on purpose while I was typing that first paragraph didn't you!?

Re:Sane/Insane referring to pages or posts loading (3, Informative)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389217)

Agreed. WHY does it take so long for my preview to load?

Indeed. Why does it take so long for EVERYTHING to load?

My solution is simple: go into your preferences and enable "classic" mode. Aaaah, relief. No more cruft and bloat.

Re:Sane/Insane referring to pages or posts loading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27389541)

I really don't understand why slashdot's Ajax is so slow. Often, it takes longer to load a bit of /. ajax than it did to load the page in the first place. I have a site that loads comparable amounts of information with ajax, and it is much faster than a page reload. Why is this I wonder?

The comment thing is just silly. This is really a piece of html that should be coded straight into the javascript if it takes the server so long to respond to requests. Seriously, the comments box is what, 8 html elements?

Finally, why is it that slashdot's js is so damn heavy? I have firefox+debian running on a P4 with a gig of ram. This should be plenty to run a website with a message board, but /. takes over a minute to load a page and run all the javascript.

Please, devs, get a grip on reality.

Re:Sane/Insane referring to pages or posts loading (0, Troll)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389057)

Thank you for making a simple "news for nerds" site more and more bloated and dysfunctional with any new release. Feel free to mod me a troll for expressing my most sincere opinion.

Yours truly

Re:Sane/Insane referring to pages or posts loading (1)

kv9 (697238) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389527)

Thank you for making a simple "news for nerds" site more and more bloated and dysfunctional with any new release.

as long as they keep the classic mode, there will be no problems. I also use GMail in plain html mode and all the bells and whistles don't bother me a bit.

Re:Sane/Insane referring to pages or posts loading (1)

ben0207 (845105) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389823)

I hate to sound a complete noob, but:

  "how I mien classcic mode?"

(also, could somebody set /. to actually follow our choice of fonts when in "basic mode"? It looks hideous with this tiny serif bullshit.)

phew (4, Funny)

ChienAndalu (1293930) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388497)

lucky the beta index isn't linked in the summary, otherwise it would already be slashdotted

Special button (5, Funny)

Spatial (1235392) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388529)

What about a button that causes Kdawson to be kicked in the crotch? You can call it 'Kickdot', as a sleight against the size of his man-spheres.

Show a counter next to it, it'll be great. It'll be the first virtual button ever to get worn out from overuse.

Re:Special button (3, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388995)

Hey, at least blocking kdawson from the front page works again now. For a few painful months, it didn't work with index2.pl and there was no way of switching back to the original. Fortunately, now you can block idle and kdawson from the front page.

Re:Special button (2, Funny)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389689)

Now why would you go and point that out? You know it's only a matter of time before they "fix" that now. Enjoy it while it lasts!

Re:Special button (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27389749)

Unfortunately, you can't block other idiot "editors" from posting Idle stories to non-Idle sections.

Re:Special button (1)

ben0207 (845105) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389865)

Really both option should just be under one button, marked "make /. half-decent again"

(also I've taken to timing how long it takes for the preview box to pop up. Current speed record is 6 seconds.

That's uh, that's not good guys.)

Re:Special button (2, Interesting)

RulerOf (975607) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389885)

Hey, at least blocking kdawson from the front page works again now.

Please share the Zen.

Can I block him from my RSS feed too?

lynx (4, Insightful)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388531)

Just don't break Lynx support.

Re:lynx (2, Informative)

Nimey (114278) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388699)

Slashdot has been looking a lot better on Lynx lately, and it renders well on ELinks as well.

I don't use those browsers much anymore, but in the early '00s I used lynx + zgv to view web comics, images, etc., and it worked quite well indeed. I don't think svgalib is well-supported anymore, though.

Does anyone know of a console-mode image viewer that works on modern systems? It'd be neat to be able to do that again.

Re:lynx (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27388991)

fbi (part of fbida)

http://linux.bytesex.org/fbida/ [bytesex.org]

Re:lynx (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27388787)

I say go back to the way slashdot was 10 years ago. In my opinion, all of this fancy newfangled stuff makes it harder, not easier, to get what I want from the website. It seems like every month there is some new "feature" which breaks the old proven way of doing things. But I don't want it. I don't want to login, I don't want to muck around with javascript sliders, and I don't want to have to use "preferences" just to make the site work as basic HTML. It's like the whole site has turned into a sign-up trap, and I'm out in the cold because I don't *want* to sign up.

My lawn (0, Troll)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389707)

Get off of it.

Stop auto-updating? (4, Insightful)

Smitty825 (114634) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388537)

One (small) issue I seem to have is with the auto-updating feature. Often, I'm connected over a (relatively) slow cell phone link. When I'm using this slow link, I'd prefer to not have Slashdot query the server for updated stories. I know I can press the "pause" button, at the top to stop the auto-updating, but if I forget to do so, then I'm annoyed by some other app responding slowly. Is there plans to make this feature configurable? (Note: Each time I load /., I need to remember to hit the "pause" button...the previous state is never saved)

Re:Stop auto-updating? (1)

Garridan (597129) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389531)

I have (almost) the exact opposite complaint. If I've suspended my laptop, or I haven't been in my slashdot tab for (gasp) more than an hour or so, a huge white block nearly covers the screen. In the upper-left corner of this huge obstruction is a tiny little link, "click to unpause". I'm not old, I'm a plenty skilled mouser, but it's still obnoxious to tab into a page and have it be useless until I nail a fidgety little link. One of two things would improve this:

First (my preference) would be to make the huge div that blocks 90% of the screen and darkens the borders into a little notifier down in a corner of the screen. Make it red, so people notice. Don't make it clickable, either. Just onpause the page when it gets focus.

Second, is if you really must make the page useless if it's paused (a really stupid idea, IMHO), and you really must require the user to click something to unpause, make the entire div clickable -- click anywhere on the huge obstruction and it goes away. Again, it would be better for the obnoxious obstruction (obnoxstruction?) to go away on focus, or on any mouse / keyboard activity whatsoever, but on focus is best.

Re:Stop auto-updating? (2, Informative)

chromas (1085949) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389913)

Click outside the box to unpause.

Re:Stop auto-updating? (2, Informative)

RichardDeVries (961583) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389593)

Click "Index Beta Settings" in your preferences [slashdot.org] and make sure "Paused" is ticked.

Re:Stop auto-updating? (1)

evanbd (210358) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389747)

That leaves another problem. If I leave /. open for a long time, and then want to refresh it, I usually just click the big logo in the upper left. Now, if I do that, instead of reloading a popup appears telling me that it's paused. I can then click to unpause, and then click a third time to refresh! Obviously I could simply refresh the page instead of all this (which I usually do now, but habits die hard), but the behavior is still idiotic.

Re:Stop auto-updating? (2, Informative)

RichardDeVries (961583) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390009)

I usually refresh the entire page (CTRL+R), but I tried your way (click the Slashdot logo) just now. It clears the middle column, says it's loading and then displays the stories. I've got "Paused" turned on and I'm using FF3.0.8 on Linux.
Works pretty good, actually. According to the faq, I can press G for more stories, but I'm not sure that's the same thing.

Re:Stop auto-updating? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27390329)

slashdot.org/palm

Slashdot looks weird (1)

Lord Lode (1290856) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388543)

Hi,

There are a lot of questions I have about slashdot, can anyone answer them?

The tags: in the past if you clicked on one, you got a list of articles with that tag. Now it appears that if you click on one, you tag that article with that tag! Is this the intention?

On one computer, slashdot takes a long time to load a certain script, making the whole browser hang for 10 seconds. It doesn't happen on any other computer I know. What script is this?

On some computers there is, and on some other computers there is not, a flashy green thing on the top right that has the text "green" in it. What is this?

Articles get tags. What decides which of the *many* tags that people probably give to it, appear on the front page below the article? Sometimes there are tags that are so strange that I can't imagine multiple people would by chance pick that same tag, how comes it that those get picked by so many people anyway?

Thanks :)

Re:Slashdot looks weird (1)

Lord Lode (1290856) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388579)

I forgot a question! Why does EVERY article have the tag "story"? What's the point if everything has it?

Re:Slashdot looks weird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27388655)

To filter away idle.

Re:Slashdot looks weird (1)

Chlorine Trifluoride (1517149) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388685)

O RLY? Look at the tags for idle stories.

Re:Slashdot looks weird (3, Informative)

Chlorine Trifluoride (1517149) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388665)

The story tag is to distinguish stories from submissions and comments.

Re:Slashdot looks weird (4, Interesting)

ScuttleMonkey (55) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389137)

The story tag is to distinguish stories from submissions and comments.

Among other datatypes. The firehose is our content delivery tool and pretty much any page is just becoming a filter on the firehose to display whatever data you are asking for. This allows us to do a lot of really cool things (both now and in the near future) and get some performance hits back soon.

Re:Slashdot looks weird (1)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389347)

I've played with the firehose a lot and still can't figure out how to pick what I want to see. There's just a color range and a text box. Are we going to get some documentation soon? I've simply given up trying.

Re:Slashdot looks weird (4, Informative)

ScuttleMonkey (55) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389609)

Yes, it has been a painful migration. However, a complete rewrite of the FAQ is coming soon (with context-appropriate linkage from the rest of the site) along with a much more intuitive interface that allows for easier firehose use. You have already seen the very tip of the iceberg with this post by Rob, expect to many more things like this making the site easier to decode.

I know it hasn't been easy, but hang in there. Slashteam has some really cool stuff on the way.

Re:Slashdot looks weird (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27390445)

Is meta-moderation going to be fixed at some point? Some of us are getting a bit annoyed by activist mods modding stuff they disagree with as 'Troll', and getting away with it.

Re:Slashdot looks weird (4, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390235)

I don't think the original poster correctly framed the spirit of his question....

Why doesn't the front page filter out the display of the 'story' tag?

(Can't help but stick this in here: Why did the horrendously buggy and unusable new default user page go live? A lot of the stuff on there just seems random. Is the number in the speech bubble at the top the number of total comments in the thread the user last posted in? Why? Why the terrible CSS for the top item? Why are the comment titles formatted differently there than everywhere else? Why the redundant 'comments' slashbox on the right with the same content as the left half of the page? Why remove the menus that are on the right side of every other page on the site?)

Re:Slashdot looks weird (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389023)

Another question:

Why does the grey border on the Parent / Reply buttons only render sometimes. In about 20% of stories, these 'buttons' are white text on a white background and I can only see them by selecting the text. Why not just make them buttons?

Re:Slashdot looks weird (1)

bami (1376931) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389031)

>>On one computer, slashdot takes a long time to load a certain script, making the whole browser hang for 10 seconds. It doesn't happen on any other computer I know. What script is this?

If that hanging browser is firefox, try loading the page with firebug (http://getfirebug.com/), if you enable net logging, you can see what takes so long on pages to load.

Don't forget to de install or deactivate it afterwards though, since it can slow other stuff down. (gmail for example)

>> On some computers there is, and on some other computers there is not, a flashy green thing on the top right that has the text "green" in it. What is this?

For what I've seen, it's the comment filter level (with black being raw&uncut, everything from -1, with green being only awesome posts (3+)

Also, take that answer with a grain of salt, IANAHSA (I am not a haxor slashdot admin)

>> Articles get tags. What decides which of the *many* tags that people probably give to it, appear on the front page below the article? Sometimes there are tags that are so strange that I can't imagine multiple people would by chance pick that same tag, how comes it that those get picked by so many people anyway?

That annoys me too, I've tagged stories with crappy tags on error by that.

Next to that, the preview button 'hangs' for me a lot, so I have to press it again for it actually gives me a preview. Seems like shoddy AJAX programming to me.

Re:Slashdot looks weird (1)

PetiePooo (606423) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389109)

Just use ABP with the element-hiding extension and block this element:

#DIV(class=tag-widget body-widget)

No more tags!

Re:Slashdot looks weird (3, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389119)

On some computers there is, and on some other computers there is not, a flashy green thing on the top right that has the text "green" in it. What is this?

A browser bug? Firefox extension? I don't see these.

Articles get tags. What decides which of the *many* tags that people probably give to it, appear on the front page below the article?

Seems to be the most popular n tags. I have no idea what the value of n is.

Sometimes there are tags that are so strange that I can't imagine multiple people would by chance pick that same tag, how comes it that those get picked by so many people anyway?

Tag spamming. Watch for comments that say "tag this article mrsuffleuffogus". Sometimes others will comply. In addition, some people, like this guy [slashdot.org] have sock puppet accounts. Also, I've seen /.ers collaborating on IRC/Twitter/etc. to get articles tagged a certain way or to attack a particular user.

The Beta Index is horrible (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27388555)

The beta page is a perfect example of why I hate the new slashdot features. There are buttons all over the place with randomly coloured backgrounds and the like; it's awful. I hope none of it gets live.

keyboard slayers unite (1)

pinkushun (1467193) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388581)

*Runs off to learn the shortcuts* :-)

UI plea (3, Insightful)

drDugan (219551) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388605)

Would you hire a great UI designer and make a brand new layout or skin that is easier to read and navigate?

... really love reading the content on ./ - but can't stand the design.

I have my preferences pared back to skeletal for readability - but makes the site look painfully ugly

Re:UI plea (1)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389097)

Or just send everyone who touches the UI to a Tufte seminar.

Re:UI plea (1)

evanbd (210358) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389777)

Seconded. Please, for the love of the FSM, do this.

Re:UI plea (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389849)

Well, who stops you from submitting a Greasemonkey script that replaces the CSS files to userscripts.org?
It's actually very very easy to do. (As long as you know how to use a CSS editor, the CSS docs and maybe a bit of JS.)

Re:UI plea (1)

jddj (1085169) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389959)

It's not the UI, it's the whole UX. Slashdot has gotten harder to use, slower to load and no better for all the effort.

What was so wrong with the primarily HTML version that you had to bork it like this?

At a time the world is moving to mobile, you guys are sending down half a meg of front page and making the interaction entirely too tricky and cute to "just plain work" everywhere.

I'm reading Slashdot less and less.

Opera (1)

plus_M (1188595) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388617)

The biggest issue I see with the new Index2 beta (which is sadly the default for those not logged in, as I rarely actually bother to log in) is that in Opera, it is nearly impossible to click the story title to see the comments, except for a tiny sliver only a couple of pixels wide at the very tip of the words. In face, it seems that it is impossible to click on the title of the stories posted by samzenpus at all (which may be a blessing in disguise). This doesn't stop me from reading the comments, however, as I am fully able to click "Read More..." or the number of comments next to this. Regardless, it is still annoying.

Vimperator (1)

FiveDozenWhales (1360717) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388627)

I may have to start turning off Vimperator when using slashdot...

Re:Vimperator (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27388771)

i rather have a way to use the new layout and turn of the bindings of /.

WASD customization (5, Funny)

XanC (644172) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388635)

What about people on non-QWERTY keyboards? Can you create a user option for what key does what?

Re:WASD customization (5, Funny)

langelgjm (860756) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389133)

Why is this modded funny? I use Dvorak, and I'm sure there are plenty of other /.ers who do, too.

Then there are the people using foreign language layout - AZERTY, etc.

Re:WASD customization (1)

Ragzouken (943900) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389383)

3-Strong For a dvorak compatible Slashdot!

Re:WASD customization (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389787)

Exactly. I use the German NEO 2.0 layout [neo-layout.org] . Which is much much better than Dvorak. With 6 shift levels. (Seriously!) And my QWERTY-line goes XVLCWK.

The big question is... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27388645)

...can Jews still comment? I'm sick of coming here for nerd news and having to leave because the whole place stinks of lox and gefilte fish. Sometimes I really think the tag line here should be "news for Hebes, Mezuzahs that matter."

Feature request -- (5, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388681)

Please fix the user pages. The new way of doing it where our comments are buried several clicks in is irritating. The only reason most of us go to our own user pages is to see if anyone's replied to our comment.

Re:Feature request -- (4, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388945)

I emailed Malda about this when it was first implemented, here's
what he said:

The feed should contain stories you've tagged. The idea is that this
is a place where you can share content you like with others.. so if I
go to ~hatta I see the slashdot YOU think I should see. But you're
right in that your comments should be in that page as well. There's
technical reasons that they aren't, but we're going to try to fix
them.

Doesn't make any sense to me though. I've always considered my user page to be for my own benefit, not others. Slashdot isn't myspace. I never read anyone else's user page, and I doubt anyone reads mine. But there you have it. His solution for people like us? Bookmark slashdot.org/~username/comments.

Re:Feature request -- (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389727)

Well. We can always create the "F.U. Malda, this is my web, and I will have it my way" Greasemonkey/Firefox extension. ^^

Re:Feature request -- (1)

story645 (1278106) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389735)

I never read anyone else's user page, and I doubt anyone reads mine.

I read other people's user pages, but mostly to see their comments on other stories.

Re:Feature request -- (2, Insightful)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390163)

Exactly. When someone posts something really good I check to see whether they consistently make good posts, and if so I add them to my friends list.

Re:Feature request -- (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389775)

The reasoning behind the change probably doesn't match what the user base believes.

They could just make the comments page the default when you click on your own name.

Re:Feature request -- (5, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389069)

Why not just set it to send you a message when someone replies to one of your comments? That way, the front page tells you how many new messages you have. That said, it would be great if:
  1. You could jump directly to the page with the reply from the messages list page, rather than having to go via the message page.
  2. Messages indicating replies to the same post could be grouped.
  3. The messages system actually let you send messages to other Slashdot readers, so you didn't have to post your email address in a discussion you wanted to take offline.

Amen to that. What about total number of comments? (1)

langelgjm (860756) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389191)

Is there any way to see a user's total number of comments? The old comment page would display the last 24 of X, where X was the total number of comments from that user account.

Re:Feature request -- (1)

luder (923306) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389679)

Couldn't agree more!

GreaseMonkey hack to fix user pages (2, Interesting)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390279)

A while back I wrote a GreaseMonkey script [neilmcallister.com] to switch the User page back to the old behavior. With this script installed, when you click on your username you go immediately to the comments list, like how it used to work. Try it out and send me feedback if it works/doesn't work for you.

BTW, IMHO this whole effort to "modernize Slashdot" has been a total disaster. I have all the new Indexes turned off, but the UI is still much worse than it was before they started playing around with it. The old layout plus the Slashdotter plug-in did everything much faster and more smoothly than the new code has ever done. Please, PLEASE Taco et al ... just give it up!!

Re:Feature request -- (1)

foo fighter (151863) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390401)

Seconded.

Your User Comments Page Looks Like Shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27388683)

This website seems to get worse every day.

Good thing you are working on new stuff instead of breaking the old stuff that at least worked correctly.

javascript (2, Insightful)

Speare (84249) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388695)

If I load the front page, all the content appears nearly instantly. Then the whole world freezes for about two seconds before the new bright green search button appears next to the search field. I can't scroll or do anything with the page until the godawful javascript decides to finish whatever it wants to do. True for my versions of Camino and Firefox. Just because Chrome has some fancy-dancy new speedup for JS doesn't mean we all have that browser, nor should we fill up pages with new heavy features with little benefit to users.

Re:javascript (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27389485)

Seconded. On slow computers Slashdot even triggers the "unresponsive script" dialog. Totally unacceptable. I find myself hesitating before I load Slashdot these days.

Bring back meta! (3, Insightful)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388721)

While you're working on the site, will you please fix meta-mod so we're *actually* modding the mods? I can't see that the current meta-mod does anything whatsoever. It doesn't mod mods, and it doesn't mod comments either. Just + or - for no particular reason, not used for anything at all. Reminds me of voting in US elections...

Re:Bring back meta! (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388811)

It probably isolates comments with conflicting moderation and polls the groupthink about what mod it prefers (the different moderation selections have essentially devolved into up and down...).

Re:Bring back meta! (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389197)

most of the comments I've been asked to "meta moderate" have never been modded in the first place, so that'a a negative.

Re:Bring back meta! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27388833)

you mean there's always a recount and in the end it's the supreme court judges that decide the outcome?

Turning it off. (4, Insightful)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388789)

I'm not fond of the new beta index or the new user page system. Can they be turned off?

C-X C-preview (4, Funny)

enHatt (1283014) | more than 5 years ago | (#27388805)

So, when are the emacs keybindings up and running?

WASD? (1)

ZeroZenith (83919) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389075)

Do people really use WASD for navigation and games? I know that's the default configuration for a lot of things but to me it seems very unnatural, unless you hitting the W with the ring finger and even that it strange. Using ESDF if a much more natural since your fingers are at home position and the middle finger is appropriately used for UP.

What's the history behind the silly WASD choice?

Re:WASD? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27389195)

Do people really use WASD for navigation and games?

I don't use WASD because you see I have this amazing device called a mouse with a wheel so I can easily navigate things. I also have the glorious space button to do a page down if my heart desires!

Stop catering to those who want to browse with one hand. Put down your coffee/crispy kreme, wipe your hand off on your filthy jeans and browse like the rest of us. Creeps...

Re:WASD? (2, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389423)

For that matter, wouldn't it be more in line with the spirit of the site to use HJKL for navigation?

Re:WASD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27390239)

I'm a lefty, you insensitive clod!

Re:WASD? (1)

tygerstripes (832644) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389475)

I've no hard evidence whatsoever for this, but I suspect the convention started with "Doom".

They wanted the function-keys to used for operations (run, map etc) which, if they were to lie under the pinky, would make WASD the most naturally accessible replication of the classic arrow-key layout for the remaining three fingers. And, as everyone knows, id-software set the benchmark for FPS for years.

Personally I don't have any problem with it. I can't conceive of any arrangement on a QWERTY keyboard that's significantly more intuitive or ergonomic for right-handed players. You're not expected to undertake typing and fast-pace FPS gaming simultaneously, and in fact I find the ergonomic distinction to be beneficial - motor-memory may make it confusing otherwise.

Re:WASD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27389565)

I use ESDF, partly because I'm used to finding that position because it's the touch typing home position and the F key has a little bump on my keyboard, partly because there are more keys surrounding ESDF which can be reached without leaving the movement keys. The first thing I do in any game is to reconfigure the controls to ESDF.

Re:WASD? (1)

radio4fan (304271) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389585)

What's the history behind the silly WASD choice?

From Wikipedia: [wikipedia.org]

The first game to use WASD was the 1992 first person role playing game Ultima Underworld, which used the elaborate WASDX2 default control setup (with X as backpedal and 2 as run), but the scheme wasn't popularized until John Romero implemented it in 1996 for Quake.[citation needed] This has led to the nickname "Romero Key Controls".

still purpousfully broken (1)

Bizzeh (851225) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389401)

slashdot still purpousfully broken in IE...

I am a touch typist. WASD doesn't work well for me (1)

fprintf (82740) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389425)

The first thing I do whenever I can on a new game is to remap the standard WASD keys to ESDF, and then remap everything else accordingly. It allows me to keep my hands on the home row and still use my strong fingers - avoiding use of the pinky on the A key. So in order for this functionality to be of most use, will you allow custom keybindings?

worksforme (2, Interesting)

daemonburrito (1026186) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389553)

D2 and the beta index are working great for me, aside from the hiccup with the comments pane a couple of days ago.

I would like to see meta-moderation revisited, as this is the only way to mitigate coordinated group mods. Since the old mm system was dropped, I've seen an uptick in bizarre moderation.

I know my karma is going to take a hit for this, but I had to say it. Taco, you're doing a fine job. KDawson, I don't hate you. We understand why you have to do Idle. All in all, Slashdot is pretty great.

Faster render is key (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27389563)

Often /. takes as much as 5-10+ sec to load. On a dual xenon workstation. It pretty much killed the site for me. Went off to faster-loading compei

Actually making things worse in Thunderbird! (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389675)

I think keyboard bindings and some useful dynamics are nice. But there still are many ways to read the site without any JavaScript.
One of them is the RSS reader included in Thunderbird. The whole "I want to have the highest rated comment on the top, and the rest cascading (not flat)" is not working anymore since that crappy new system. Even on links from Thunderbird that open in Firefox. I still get old input boxes in old styles.

When will you finally create a way to detect what comments are on the same depth level, without having to open the thing in Firefox?

Keybindings (1)

bziman (223162) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389737)

My browser is already set up to use the keyboard the way I want it... PLEASE do not try to be "cute" and override them. I want a nice static web page that navigates the exact same way that every other web page navigates. I don't want a web page that updates dynamically -- that's why I turned off the freakin' television. And I don't want to have to learn new keyboard bindings for every web site with a clever hacker at the wheel.

Re:Keybindings (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390159)

My browser is already set up to use the keyboard the way I want it... PLEASE do not try to be "cute" and override them.

Seconded. It took me a while to understand why searching with "/searchterm" stopped working on Slashdot. After I finally figured it out, I just disabled the slashdot keys (fortunately that's possible), and now searching works again.

Re:Keybindings (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390345)

Correction: I just tried it on the new style main page, and it obviously ignored my preference not to have dynamic keybindings (it honors that preference on discussion pages).

Fantastic! (1)

Buelldozer (713671) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389761)

Now, when are you going to get around to doing something with the /palm (mobile) portion of the website?

You're only about 6 years behind in development on it.

Even FOX NEWS (http://foxnews.proteus.com/) completely blows /. away in mobile web page functionality. /palm is a joke and should be retired.

Where is the jump button... (1)

WarpCode (1519261) | more than 5 years ago | (#27389809)

and which button switches weapons? /sarcasm As a WASD gamer this definitely makes me happy. My left hand usually rests on those buttons anyways. So far I havent had and issues with it and it seems to load the main page a little quicker then the standard index was loading but perhaps thats just me.

it's a shame firefox3 is fucking broken (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27389819)

scrolling up and down with that new comments dealie makes firefox lag super hard. not to mention flash 10 is broken and buggy as all hell, which compounds the issue when viewing sites like youtube.

I like where this is going (1)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390013)

I find a lot of these new features interesting, I like how stories seem to pop onto the page in near-realtime. Hopefully this will develop into the future of news sites. I can't wait until comments pop into threads in near-realtime as well.

Just wish these enhancements were implemented as user-selectable "themes", though. A lot of these tweaks obviously break distiller scripts and user interface habits.

Is there a version of slashdot for mobile users (other than the rss feed?). I think AvantSlash has stopped trying to track all the changes, which has made the format less accessible to plucker and avantgo users.

Anyway, still a fan, and /. is still my primary news site.

IE8 (1)

Toreo asesino (951231) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390103)

How about updating the front-page to work with IE8 now it's all standards compliant? It clearly doesn't think the page is standards-compliant so offers the "compatibility view"; both produce JavaScript errors and neither renders correctly.

Ahhh....

You hear that?

That was the sound of a thousand geeks exploding in rage at once.

*dons flameproof jacket and awaits IE rage*

A script is taking forever to load (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27390375)

Am I the only one? I'm guessing it's a lethal combo of AdBlock (I know, shame on me) and NoScript. It seems to bog down when attempting to get an ad from google-synaptics-something, for example.

Can't even switch to my other tabs while slashdot is 'booting up'. It's annoying me no end. Any tips would be appreciated.

Please restore small right column! (2, Insightful)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390473)

What I strongly dislike is the disproportionally wide right slashboxes column. I guess that's so you can display big-image ads without breaking the layout, right? It's a shame that Slashdopt goes to such a low to make BAD DESIGN DESICIONS in order to just display slightly different ads (it's not that the there are no other ads which worked just fine on the homepage without breaking the layout).

The big right column takes away to much from what it the one thing I visit slashdot for: The stories. The difference between the left and right column also makes for a very unpleasant optical design.

Please restore the original size of the right column (and just refrain from showing big-image ads there)!

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