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Google Launches Free, Legal Music Downloads in China

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the still-the-underdog-somewhere dept.

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Wired is reporting that Google has a launched a new music download service in China to better compete with the leading search company there, Baidu.com. Offering some 350,000 songs, a number set to rise to somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.1 million in the coming months, the library includes both Chinese and foreign artists signed by Sony Music, EMI, and Universal Music. Proponents of the new service are also hoping it will combat illegal music downloads simply by offering higher quality songs for download. There are no immediate plans to expand this service beyond China.

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Legal? and in....China? (5, Funny)

pilgrim23 (716938) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390479)

hummm that does seem a somewhat...DIFFERENT business model...

New Orleans vs. Fargo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27390863)

So Fargo in North Dakota gets flooded. It's a disaster. Unlike New Orleans, the people in Fargo did not start rioting and looting and pillaging and going apeshit. They worked together to try and build up the levees. Unlike New Orleans, they didn't have to call in the National Guard to restore order for days and days. I predict that unlike New Orleans, you won't hear about the people in Fargo being on taxpayer welfare for free hotel rooms and free food for months and months afterwards.

So what's the difference? Oh yeah, you're not supposed to notice. The people in New Orleans are mostly black. The people in Fargo are overwhelmingly white. Really now, what are we supposed to think? So much for political correctness. Black people are their own worst enemies when it comes to this shit and the perceptions it creates.

Re:New Orleans vs. Fargo (2, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391987)

So what's the difference?

The hurricane?

Re:Legal? and in....China? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27392229)

April Fools?

Proxy anyone? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27390505)

Sounds like a perfect way for the US to download high quality music with nothing more than a simple proxy.

Re:Proxy anyone? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27390631)

And to think, all this time, they've been trying to get outside of the firewall. Now we want in!

Re:Proxy anyone? Until... (1, Insightful)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391007)

The US starts trying to use Google as a VOA (Voice of America) megaphone, then then Chinese ban ALL songs not provided with 100% faithful lyrics sheets, so as to screen out pseudo-anti-Chinese-Government songs, or songs that over-sell the greatness of the USA. Songs like "Born in the USA" will likely get binned (but, for all i know it is available for years...). I imagine Prince's (the artist formerly known as Prince, formerly known NOT as Prince, then formerly now formally known as Prince) "Erotic City" (We can FUCK until the dawn, making love til cherry's gone...) will be binned, unless not yet censored.

Yeh, i can just see Google getting paid (and bending over for the money) the USA VOA machine, cuz, business is business. I hope "do no wrong" applies to not pumping a megaphonic pathway into another country's borders. Locals should HUNT for, not be blasted BY content they don't want nor don't need.

Re:Proxy anyone? Until... (4, Insightful)

GMFTatsujin (239569) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391141)

'"Born in the USA" will likely get binned...'

Have you listened to the lyrics?

Like, REALLY listened to the lyrics?

I'm not just talking Republican National Convention playing the chorus over and over. Seriously. Born in the USA is not a shining example of feel-good patriotism. It's an ironic intervention against an America that's forgotten its defenders.

Re:Proxy anyone? Until... (3, Informative)

DittoBox (978894) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391463)

Bruce Springsteen's 'Born In The USA' Lyrics:

Born down in a dead man's town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
'Til you spend half your life just covering up

[chorus:]
Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.

I got in a little hometown jam
And so they put a rifle in my hands
Sent me off to Vietnam
To go and kill the yellow man

[chorus]

Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man says "Son if it was up to me"
I go down to see the V.A. man
He said "Son don't you understand"

[chorus]

I had a buddy at Khe Sahn
Fighting off the Viet Cong
They're still there, he's all gone
He had a little girl in Saigon
I got a picture of him in her arms

Down in the shadow of the penitentiary
Out by the gas fires of the refinery
I'm ten years down the road
Nowhere to run, ain't got nowhere to go

I'm a long gone Daddy in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
I'm a cool rocking Daddy in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.

Re:Proxy anyone? Until... (1)

JumperCables233 (916271) | more than 5 years ago | (#27392669)

I can hear the sound of RIAA stormtroopers and attack dogs laying siege your house as we speak.

Re:Proxy anyone? Until... (2, Insightful)

kabocox (199019) | more than 5 years ago | (#27392787)

Hmm, that sounds exactly like the type of anti-US song that other nations would want their citizens to hear about the US. Any song that makes the US in general sound like a worse place to live than a third world country or about the same as that won't be on any other nations' banned list.

Re:Proxy anyone? Until... (1)

kdemetter (965669) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391473)

I always hear it like "Porn in the USA" .

Re:Proxy anyone? Until... (1)

xaxa (988988) | more than 5 years ago | (#27392681)

I always hear it like "Porn in the USA" .

I don't know what I hear it as, as the top few results in YouTube "are not available in your country". Thanks, PRS [slashdot.org] .

Ah, Songza (music search engine) to the rescue: http://songza.com/z/n7okam [songza.com]

Having read the lyrics I'll now think of the song in a completely different way.

Re:Proxy anyone? Until... (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#27392589)

It's an ironic intervention against an America that's forgotten its defenders.

Yes. It's similar in vein to lots of other songs that have been misunderstood:

  • This Land is Your Land, Woodie Guthrie. The song is really a direct rebuttal of Irving Berlin's "God Bless America".
  • Little Pink Houses, John "Cougar" Mellencamp. Song about how the poor and disadvantaged. People hear the refrain: "Oh, but that ain't America, You and Me. Ain't that America, Somethin' to see, Baby, Ain't that America, home of the free, yeah..." and think Mellencamp is being patriotic. Hardly.
  • Every Breath You Take, The Police. Not a love song. It's a song about obsession.

Re:Proxy anyone? Until... (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#27393001)

It reminds me of the commercial a couple years back, where they used CCR's "Fortunate Son". The part they used said "Some folks were born, made to wave the flag. Oooh they're red white & blue." Of course, they cut the line afterwards that said "It ain't me". Talk about missing the point.

Re:Proxy anyone? (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390921)

I think you need a little bit more than a simple proxy -- like the ability to read and write Chinese, for example. What are the Chinese characters for "Britney Spears" anyway?

Re:Proxy anyone? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27390955)

Surprisingly, it sounds a lot like "blonde slut" once translated.

Re:Proxy anyone? (3, Funny)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391265)

These are right in the Unicode database.

apt-get install unicode-data
zgrep 'kDefinition.*blonde' /usr/share/unicode/Unihan.txt.bz2
zgrep 'kDefinition.*slut' /usr/share/unicode/Unihan.txt.bz2

The fun thing is, it's easier to search by meaning than by pronouciation or by how the character looks...

Re:Proxy anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27391591)

Actually, Britney Spears is åç"oeç"oe ("Xiao tian tian" which I would very loosely translate as "Little Sweety").

One way to get around not knowing Chinese is going to the English Wikipedia page, hitting the link to the Chinese version of the article, and correlating from one to the other with the help of Babelfish.

Re:Proxy anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27392169)

Blitney Speals?

Link? (4, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390515)

Someone have a link to this so I can start the downloading?

Or do I need a Chinese proxy first?

Re:Link? (4, Informative)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390767)

You will need a Chinese proxy.

I can read just enough Chinese to know which is the download link, but what songs I get is the luck of the draw.

Re:Link? (4, Funny)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390805)

Shall we call it Chinese Roulette instead of Russian Roulette?

Re:Link? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27391067)

I can read just enough Chinese to know which is the download link, but what songs I get is the luck of the draw.

Shall we call it Chinese Roulette instead of Russian Roulette?

They're not that dissimilar; if you inadvertantly download "The Free Tibet Song", then the owner of the proxy gets a bullet through the head.

Re:Link? (1)

b4dc0d3r (1268512) | more than 5 years ago | (#27392231)

No you get 3 of your friends together, click random links, run around the car, and sit in each others' chairs, and then you get whatever the other person clicked on. That way it's still random, but you EXPECTED random.

Wait, you'll need a car for this. OK, so you get 3 of your friends, and a car.

OK, you'll need 3 friends as well. So 3 friends, a car, and the internet.

Re:Link? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27392583)

How about two cats, a dog, a Radio Flyer wagon, some strings and paper cups, will that work instead?

Re:Link? (3, Interesting)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390983)

Ok, there's also a flash based youtube/winamp-like player so you can preview very quickly.

Then there is a right click context menu for downloading mp3s. The ones I got were all 192kbps.

Best fucking music download site ever! Roll out world wide please.

Re:Link? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27391099)

we're still looking for that link

Re:Link? (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391135)

I would love to give you the proxy address but it would get slashdotted really fast, and I haven't finished pirating yet so...Drink up me Hearties Yo Ho.

Re:Link? (1)

blackest_k (761565) | more than 5 years ago | (#27392039)

you missed the ubiquity story ?
that plugin will translate the text for you to whatever you like it seems

Re:Link? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27392155)

So now we get to do google-stacking.

1) Google mp3 site
2) Google translation site
3) ...
4) Profit

Re:Link? (1)

hackingbear (988354) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391309)

I assume this one [google.cn] but the download link is blocked because it detects your IP's from US.

Surprised! (2, Insightful)

XaviorPenguin (789745) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390533)

I am surprised they are not blocking or at least filtering this out like they have done to YouTube and other sites on the Internet.

Positive Reinforcement (5, Insightful)

Ahnteis (746045) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390541)

So let me get this straight -- massive piracy leads to free, legal downloads? I'm going to start installing p2p clients on every computer I'm asked to fix!

Re:Positive Reinforcement (5, Insightful)

francium de neobie (590783) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390761)

Just do it like the bankers - if everyone is a pirate, you're "too big to be prosecuted".

Re:Positive Reinforcement (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391093)

That's why we make it easier for copyright holders to get information out of the ISPs starting tomorrow (IPRED, 1st april 2009) so we can get RIAA/MPAA "pay your way out" deals before it ever reaches actual prosecution over here to.

Demanding fees from people who probably deserves it will most likely be easier to get by with than turning everyone into criminals and charging them as such.

Re:Positive Reinforcement (1)

UncleTogie (1004853) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391723)

If they're giving it away for free, I wonder what'll that'd do the the "value" of the songs they keep insisting are worth hundreds of bucks each.

Re:Positive Reinforcement (1)

conspirator57 (1123519) | more than 5 years ago | (#27392593)

the same thing giving trillions of dollars away to big companies does to the average working stiff's savings: make them worthless.

Re:Positive Reinforcement (1)

omnipresentbob (858376) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391531)

And also too big to fail...

Trying to Compete (3, Insightful)

hax0r_this (1073148) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390821)

I would assume that Google is paying a small price for every download. From the sound of things they might recover a small portion of their costs in ad revenue, but the real goal is to offer a compelling service to capture more of the massive Chinese advertising market.

Chinese Internet users now make up something like half of all internet users, and Google is currently losing to Baidu in that market. Thats a HUGE market to be losing in. So even if Google sees a net loss on offering music downloads, if they can become to Chinese internet users what they are to internet users in the rest of the world they just nearly doubled their ad viewers. Sure, an ad view in China is probably worth a little less, but with billions of viewers it hardly matters.

China is Solvent (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391213)

Well, since the huge China is the only country besides maybe little Canada that is actually solvent, it makes sense to launch this service there.

Re:Positive Reinforcement (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391045)

There are no immediate plans to expand this service beyond China.

Proof right there that there isn't enough piracy in Sweden!

... Or well, maybe Google thought they couldn't compete with our current distributors? =P

Re:Positive Reinforcement (1)

hackingbear (988354) | more than 5 years ago | (#27392041)

Correct. In fact, for long time already, you can buy legal American movies from Walmart in China at much lower price than in the US for the same title.

How do you compete with free? (0, Offtopic)

billlava (1270394) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390545)

If they're hoping this will stop Chinese piracy, they are crazy. Offering higher quality music with a price will only cause the pirates to up their quality, which will trickle down and benefit Chinese downloaders and purchasers of cheap MP3 CDs from Siberia to South Africa.

Re:How do you compete with free? (1)

amori (1424659) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390659)

Perhaps that might actually force other countries to adopt this new business model. Google to Music Industry: Look this model works in China, on the other hand pirates are wrecking sales elsewhere, we recommend you adopt our Chinese model everywhere, this way can turn "free sales" into a profit. Works for Google, works for the consumer.

Re:How do you compete with free? (1, Informative)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390679)

Google is trying to compete with free be being free. Did you even read the title of the story? And someone modded you insightful too? Can anyone manage to read a single sentance?

Re:How do you compete with free? (1, Informative)

billlava (1270394) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390779)

I read the story, but nothing offered through legitimate businesses will ever truly be free (as in beer.) There are associated costs in time, convenience, viewing ads, music selection, and other inconveniences. The fact is, Chinese piracy, like water, will always follow the past of least resistance, and that is certainly not through a Google website that shares profits with record companies.

Can anyone manage to read a single sentance?

Maybe I'll step up and read a whole paragraph when you learn to spell.

Re:How do you compete with free? (1)

GeorgeS (11440) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391835)

pot...meet kettle.

will always follow the past of least resistance

Should be " path of least resistance " ...just so you know for next time.

Re:How do you compete with free? (5, Funny)

InsertWittyNameHere (1438813) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390719)

I agree, free and higher quality isn't enough. The music sounds better knowing that you've obtained it illegally. Just like how food tastes better knowing that you'll be dining and dashing. It's the adrenaline rush that males all the difference.

Re:How do you compete with free? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27390881)

So what is the solution? No matter what they do, pirates will always be able to 1-up them. Pirates are not really "competing" in the proper sense because they aren't confined by the same rules.

Exactly... (1)

billlava (1270394) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391059)

Companies like Amazon and Apple have found ways to monetize music downloads in the USA where we have huge organizations devoted to protecting copyrighted music by threatening with lawsuits that nobody can afford to be involved with. For the other 75% of the world that does not live in such a court-happy western country, however piracy rules the day.

So... (3, Funny)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390605)

So, the key is to pirate songs so much that the labels have no choice but to offer legal, high quality downloads for free. Ok. Not what I expected but I'm willing to do my part...

Re:So... (3, Insightful)

punkr0x (945364) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391511)

You also have to ignore google for a while so they feel it necessary to lure you back with free songs.

Give it away, Give it away, Give it away now... (3, Insightful)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390655)

So, let me get this straight. In order to stop the ever-growing black market of illegal music downloading and distribution, Google chooses to open up shop for free?

So, if I start a massive wave of downloading pirated Microsoft software, when do I get my free copy of Office?

The Chili Peppers had it right all along I guess...

Re:Give it away, Give it away, Give it away now... (3, Funny)

Samschnooks (1415697) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390711)

Exactly! As a matter of fact, put all your CDs, DVDs, and other copyrighted material on-line for free and advertise it. That's the best way to break the system.

Stick it to the man!

How many pairs of handcuffs does it take... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27391685)

Exactly! As a matter of fact, put all your CDs, DVDs, and other copyrighted material on-line for free and advertise it. That's the best way to break the system.

Stick it to the man!

Heh, while your idea has some merit, we've still got to be careful, here in the Land of the Not-So-Free and the Home of the McLawsuit.

Famous last words in any large-crowd revolt against Da Man: "They can't possibly arrest ALL of us!"

Re:Give it away, Give it away, Give it away now... (1)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 5 years ago | (#27392465)

Why not? I just don't do the "advertise" part.

Friends get the URL, archive.org has a backup of mp3s... It's sad to have them duplicate the disk space, but that's why I have movies/etc robotsed off. The music I listen to is rare old Black Metal, quite hard to find. But no, I won't post the URL on slashdot.

The bands are mostly already gone -- so it's a pure win for the society.

Be a man(/woman), symlink your ~/mp3 from Apache today!

New business plan (4, Insightful)

Yetihehe (971185) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390695)

1. Give music away for free 2. ?? 3. ???

Re:New business plan (1)

I cant believe its n (1103137) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390789)

1. Give music away for free

2. ???
3. The Undead roam the Earth

Re:New business plan (1)

wojtalsd (1005693) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390947)

1. Give music away.
2. ???
3. Profit

Re:New business plan (1)

I cant believe its n (1103137) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391493)

1. Give music away for free (it begins)
2. Spread information and knowledge across the globe for free, for all of mankind. Innovation happens faster, with an explosively booming economy and art to die for as result.
3. The Undead roam the Earth

That last step seemed strange to me too initially, but I heard it from a reliable source during the Pirate Bay trial so it must be true.

Re:New business plan (1)

Theoboley (1226542) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390795)

This is not your typical Slashdot Meme.

Re:New business plan (5, Funny)

Camann (1486759) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390815)

It's better than what they had before: 1.??? 2.??? 3.???

Re:New business plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27390853)

2. Sell advertising on the site.

3. Profit!!!

Google's standard MO.

Re:New business plan (5, Funny)

homesnatch (1089609) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390883)

Sure, they lose money on every sale, but they'll make it up in volume!

Re:New business plan (2, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391011)

"You heard the man. Now crank it up to eleven!" - Google

Re:New business plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27392221)

Sounds like the governments plan to bail out our economy. Spend more to make our deficit smaller :)

Re:New business plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27390939)

0. Profit!!
1. Give music away for free
2. ???
3. (Unneeded, profit covered in step 0)

Re:New business plan (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390981)

I assume that, being Google, ads will accompany the download service. Also, since the labels agreed to it, I would assume that they get a cut of the ad revenue.

It may be an issue of the record labels simply agreeing to take something over nothing, however small that "something" may be.

Re:New business plan (3, Interesting)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391031)

Not new at all. Google's business plan has always been:
1) Create content that people want online.
2) Give content away for free.
3) Charge advertisers for ads delivered alongside content.
4) Profit!
As their profit is measured in the billions, offhand I would say this is a pretty good business plan.

Re:New business plan (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27391183)

1) Create content that people want online.

Google never has created any content. They make money off of content created by others. An excellent business plan, as long as you have the near-monopoly needed to make it work.

Re:New business plan (1)

hobbit (5915) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391811)

It's just as well Google had that monopoly, otherwise they'd never have got off the ground </sarcasm>

Re:New business plan (1)

jperl (1453911) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391491)

Are we talking about gnomes or google.
I think it is:
Phase 1: Give away music for free 2: ? Phase 3: Profit

Re:New business plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27391771)

Seems pretty obvious

1. Get people using a service by giving away music for free
2. add small fee for using service
3. profit!!

Re:New business plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27393091)

My take on the backstory here: The RIAA need a new business model. They see all the free downloads, and right or wrong, cannot shake the notion they could be making money on it all. Google suggests that ad supported free downloads might make them more than the nothing they already recieve. China is an enormous market; but most of them just steal the music anyway.

Google suggests testing this business model in China; as the RIAA has nothing to lose in that market and everything (1 billion customers) to gain. The RIAA does some quick math, and determines that something is indeed more than nothing; and agree. Then the incredibly unlikely union of Google and the RIAA set off to drive a beachhead into the Far East's advertising and music markets.

Makes pretty good sense to me. In a market where people already download the RIAA's products for free, indirect revenue may be your only option. And when Google, a multi-billion dollar titan who operates exclusively on indirect revenue, is the one offering to host your content and provide the service; you could really do a lot worse.

Mock them if you like, but can anyone really point out a downside here (as far as the labels are concerned)?

Smart Business Model (1)

Alzheimers (467217) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390925)

1. Generate a random mashup of various pots and pans being dropped down a flight of stairs.

2. Sell them through Google.

3. In China*

4. Profit!

* Note: Model only valid in China.

Re:Smart Business Model (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27391759)

First we had "didn't read the article", then came "didn't read the summary", but you've really taken it to the next step here with "didn't read the third word in the title". Very impressive, nice work.

Here's an Idea: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27390971)

Try selling FLACs? Hell, if I'm paying for music, it better damned be loseless.

Re:Here's an Idea: (0)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391409)

Because you have some source of lossless audio other than online?

Unless you buy the audio directly from the studio after is recorded before any sort of post processing, you are getting lossy compressed audio. The very act of converting from analog to digital is EXTREMELY lossy when you consider the fact that an infinite amount of precision is lost in the process in exchange for long term stability.

Even CDs are lossy to some extent just because of errors during mass production. The goal is to not loss quality, but it happens either way. The music on a CD from any label today has already been compressed anyway at the cost of dynamic range so Brittney can be a little louder and different, just like everyone else.

So you're all gung ho about requiring FLAC for your downloads as if you'll be missing out on something otherwise, yet every other source of the music you have has already undergone extensive compression.

Personally, I find FLACers rather amusing. Do you have one of those tube-amp motherboards and listen only on your $1500 head phones as well?

Re:Here's an Idea: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27391551)

Because you have some source of lossless audio other than online?

Unless you buy the audio directly from the studio after is recorded before any sort of post processing, you are getting lossy compressed audio. The very act of converting from analog to digital is EXTREMELY lossy when you consider the fact that an infinite amount of precision is lost in the process in exchange for long term stability.

Even CDs are lossy to some extent just because of errors during mass production. The goal is to not loss quality, but it happens either way. The music on a CD from any label today has already been compressed anyway at the cost of dynamic range so Brittney can be a little louder and different, just like everyone else.

So you're all gung ho about requiring FLAC for your downloads as if you'll be missing out on something otherwise, yet every other source of the music you have has already undergone extensive compression.

Personally, I find FLACers rather amusing. Do you have one of those tube-amp motherboards and listen only on your $1500 head phones as well?

In other words ...


Dear Sir,

You are smug. You are in fact very smug. But I have ways of dealing with smug people like you. Voila! Watch as I overcome your audiophile smugness with EVEN MORE SMUGNESS and ridicule your expensive tube amps and format preference. I mean really, how DARE you say that you like FLAC more than you like MP3?! Clearly you are not "in the know" so much as me! Hah! You, sir, have now been one-upped! Just pretend like I didn't do the same thing you did, mmkay?

Sincerely,
BitZtream - well not really. I'm not BitZtream. I'm just an AC making fun of BitZtream. Ain't hypocrisy great?!

Re:Here's an Idea: (2, Funny)

pwfffff (1517213) | more than 5 years ago | (#27392807)

Yes, folks, it really is smug replies all the way down. Even this one! Morons.

Re:Here's an Idea: (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27392753)

The very act of converting from analog to digital is EXTREMELY lossy when you consider the fact that an infinite amount of precision is lost in the process in exchange for long term stability.

Actually, no [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Here's an Idea: (1)

hobbit (5915) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391899)

And hell, if you're paying for cables, they'd better be made of solid gold.

Maybe audiophiles are the future for the RIAA. 320Kbps AACs will be available for free, but FLACs of studio masters will cost $500 per track and will be eagerly snapped up by those who claim to be able to tell the difference.

Questions (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 5 years ago | (#27390987)

1. Everything's "legal" in China, right?

2. If it's on the Internet in China, it's probably on the Internet everywhere else, right?

3. And the labels are going along with this...why?

won't fly (1)

squoozer (730327) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391069)

They are trying to sell the one thing that is easier to rip off than anything man has ever produced before to a nation virtually built on ripping things off. Yeah that's going to work really well.

Re:won't fly (1)

omnipresentbob (858376) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391653)

They're not *selling* anything, though. It's all completely free.

The money comes from ads...

I didn't see any when I checked it out, but then again, I don't read/speak/understand chinese

Re:won't fly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27393029)

They are trying to sell the one thing that is easier to rip off than anything man has ever produced before to a nation virtually built on ripping things off. Yeah that's going to work really well.

Easy- to the consumers, they're not selling it, they're giving it away. They're trying to route the illegal downloads to legal, *free* downloads-- Music files free of viruses, etc. From there, they'd generate ad revenue. I'm not sure why you're assuming it's an instant failure.

What's the difference? (1)

prndll (1425091) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391103)

Most people will never be able to tell the difference in quality between this and the typical mp3. For the average person, the only difference is that it would be downloaded from a different server. It seems to me to be easier to mandate advertising in all P2P software. But then, no one would use it for fear of adware/spyware. From what I read here, it's all about "advertising" which has NOTHING to do with downloading anything. The question i have is...How is this any more legal than using bearshare? LMFAO! Nothing changes. The downloader still pays nothing. What's the point in all of this? Unless using this gets your computer infected.

Google's music download address (1)

pythonist (1289628) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391427)

Google's music download service in China:

http://g.cn/music [g.cn]

and their very cool music screener

http://www.google.cn/music/songscreener [google.cn]

Re:Google's music download address (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27391587)

Yes and you can download to your hearts content with the PROC worry free guarantee of a malware/spyware free experience. http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?no_d2=1&sid=09/03/28/190251 [slashdot.org]

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we have both kinds, country AND western! (3, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391885)

the library includes both Chinese and foreign artists

But ... but ... but Chinese artists ARE foreign!!

To help you all out: (2, Informative)

Landak (798221) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391949)

List of free online public proxies located in china, listed by latency:

http://www.xroxy.com/proxylist.php?port=&type=&ssl=&country=CN&latency=1000&reliability=9000&sort=latency#table

"Easy listening songs" from google: here [google.cn] .

Note that the characters "äè½½" mean download, and if slashdot murders that for you, it's the link in the penultimate column in the table. Going down the left hand side of the page are words that correspond to different genres. In order, from the top, they are:

- New (release) music
- Chinese music
- European/American music
- Japanese music
- Pop music
- Rock music
- Hip-hop music
- Soundtrack music
- 'Ethnic' music (though presumably not the "Free tibet" rap...)
- Latin music
- R&B music
- Country music
- Folk music
- Soul music
- Easy-listening music
- "JnB" music

Enjoy!

Offtopic baidu test (2, Interesting)

danking (1201931) | more than 5 years ago | (#27391991)

This is off topic, but I have a little experiment for anyone who wants to give it a try. 1. goto baidu.com 2. search for anything or click on the page 3. Does it work? 4. go back to baidu.com 5. now search for falun gong 6. Did it work? 7. If not try going back to baidu.com, make sure you reference the page and don't just click back I did this and after I searched falun gong I seem to have been temporarily blocked from using the webpage. My connection seems to be getting interrupted.

Free? (1)

highfidelitychris (1448915) | more than 5 years ago | (#27392049)

How is allowing users to download for free able to compete with free pirated versions? Maybe it's not free, but it doesn't state how much (if anything) it costs for this service...

Again, I compete with people who pay less (2, Interesting)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 5 years ago | (#27392109)

I pay $5 for a pill, they pay the same company .10 for the same pill.
I pay $15 for a CD (well actually not directly for 8 years), they pay nothing.
I pay $50k for a college education, they come here to the same school and get massively subsidized.

It really seems like the world economy exists to pump the wealth out of my environment.

While I don't pay $15 for a CD, others pay that and so they have to charge prices for their products and labors that will cover that.

I keep telling myself it will even out at some point- but then they get laws passed that say they can sell a product in another country for $1 and it is illegal to import/resale that product in my country for $1.10 instead of the $15 I pay.

It is anti-capitalist. I could handle my wages going down 10% a year if the prices I pay for goods were going down at the same rate.

Re:Again, I compete with people who pay less (0, Flamebait)

Robert1 (513674) | more than 5 years ago | (#27392469)

Yes, thank you. This is exactly the problem with free-trade, it seems to be designed entirely to sap the wealth out of richer countries and give them to poorer countries. Free-trade in principal would be a great idea, except for the fact that it seems the US (and a very few other western nations) are the only countries that actually practice the 'free' part of free-trade.

Oh yeah, sure export your foreign vehicles, do you mind if we send some to you Japan? Oh what's that, you put giant tariffs and unit limits on your American imports? That's ok, we won't do anything to combat it, nor put tariffs in place ourselves, cause we play nice.

Another great example was an article from the Economist a few years back. Basically it was an American bike company saying they were going out of business because Chinese bikes could be sold for less. They explained that although they had harder workers per hour, greater output, and greater efficiency, the (justified) environmental laws put into place in the US to prevent pollution added enough of a burden to the bike manufacture that bikes made in China which had no environmental oversight could be produced and shipped cheaper than the native bike. They also showed that if China had proper anti-pollution in place, the bike could be produced for CHEAPER in America than in China.

But I guess we're the only ones that play by the rules.

What keeps Baidu from... (1)

mistapotta (941143) | more than 5 years ago | (#27392153)

...deep-linking to the songs on Google's servers? It'd be upsetting for Google if they setup all the infrastructure, eat all the costs, and Baidu reaps the rewards by linking to the self-same content.

DRM (1)

He who knows (1376995) | more than 5 years ago | (#27392323)

What hidden DRM will there be. I'm thinking a lot.

lettaudesigns (1)

lettaudesigns (1519501) | more than 5 years ago | (#27392653)

It's amazing at what google is doing now days. I guess I'm really inspired by Google because I am a software engineer that finds how they go about their business very unique. I wrote an article on my blog about why you should use Google. The blog is focused on helping people who are new to computers/internet and want to learn to use them more efficiently. Check out the article about why you should use google at http://onlineinnovation.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-you-should-use-google.html [blogspot.com] If you have any suggestions for topics to write about, let me know!!! I'm doing this because I feel that this information would have been VERY useful to me when I first started using computers/internet.
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