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Wolverine Film Leaked a Month Before Release

CmdrTaco posted about 5 years ago | from the second-the-director-yelled-sniiikt dept.

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hansamurai writes "The FBI are investigating the leak of an almost finished copy of X-Men Origins: Wolverine a month before the film's cinema release. The movie was reported to have been downloaded several hundred thousand times and has since been 'removed.' Viewers have called the movie incomplete, missing some special effects and music. Fox and the MPAA are still upset, though, but say the copy is forensically marked and can be traced to the leak. The film is due out May 1st in the United States, and the leaked copy is marked March 2nd."

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I missed it? (1)

furby076 (1461805) | about 5 years ago | (#27430161)

Damn I wanted a copy of it and to be honest I will still see it in theatres. Shame this leaked though.

Re:I missed it? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27430307)

Yep, you missed it.

For the first and only time, something that has "leaked" to the internet has been completely and utterly removed from it. You need to be quicker next time.

Re:I missed it? (0, Troll)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | about 5 years ago | (#27430347)

It's an overhyped piece of crap. You want to see it to be "in", not because of its sheer value.
It's imbeciles like you that make the theaters such lame places to go to:

Whatever happens you must keep your integrity and promote quality, not something that you heard could be cool even though whoever repeated that to you, like a docile brainless "geek", has no clue what he's been babling about.

And fire your president, before he acts even worse than the previous jerk.

Re:I missed it? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27430381)

You mean the current one could start 3 other wars?
I can see North Korea and Iran but which's gonna be the 3rd one?

Re:I missed it? (3, Insightful)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | about 5 years ago | (#27430485)

You're right about the rapidly declining quality of Hollywood's output. There's no real depth to anything recent. The old proven actors (like Star Trek and Star Wars) have become senile, uncaring, and devoid of soul at the hands of money-grubbers.

The new crop of actors are cretinous, pretentious fuckwits who are chosen for their tits and their "real-life" drama which is as manufactured as their movies are. You know things are sad when Hollywood's releasing movies like "X-men 25: Because you'll see it Anyway" and "Direct to DVD 5: The theater is only for Booze and sex".

Re:I missed it? (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 5 years ago | (#27430961)

The new crop of actors are cretinous, pretentious fuckwits who are chosen for their tits and their "real-life" drama which is as manufactured as their movies are.

I love to be the one to break this to you: the old crop of actors is primarily a bunch of cretinous, pretentious fuckwits who were chosen for their attractiveness to the public. (There are of course limited counterexamples [wikipedia.org].) Their "real-life" drama was as manufactured as their movies were. One seriously great example is Sean Connery, the favorite James Bond [postchronicle.com]. SNL "Celebrity Jeopardy" -- it's funny because it's true! [cnn.com]

Re:I missed it? (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 5 years ago | (#27430825)

Well, I'd never seen a whole XXX or XXX 2 movie so I'd pass this one even if it was available in the browser or sent on TV ..

And yeah, I speak about the super hero movies, though I tend to jump straight into the action in the other movies to ...

Re:I missed it? (5, Informative)

orkim (238312) | about 5 years ago | (#27430377)

Then grab a torrent, such as:

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4816113/X-Men.Origins.Wolverine.2009.WORKPRiNT.XviD-NoRar

Re:I missed it? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27430505)

Grabbing a torrent from a public tracker isn't wise at the best of times, but for something like this it's crazy. The MPAA/FOX may very well have their eyes on those seeder and peer lists.

Re:I missed it? (5, Interesting)

v1 (525388) | about 5 years ago | (#27430647)

The MPAA/FOX may very well have their eyes on those seeder and peer lists.

I'll take anyone's bet to the otherwise. I have absolute confidence that all the peers in that torrent that have a flimsy ISP will get an email in a week.

Re:I missed it? (3, Funny)

Spazztastic (814296) | about 5 years ago | (#27430925)

The MPAA/FOX may very well have their eyes on those seeder and peer lists.

I'll take anyone's bet to the otherwise. I have absolute confidence that all the peers in that torrent that have a flimsy ISP will get an email in a week.

Comcast stands their ground, right? Right!?

/franticly loads up killdisk, shreds burned DVDs.

Re:I missed it? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27431167)

I very strongly suspected this myself... if one was inclined to download it, usenet would be a much better choice.

In theory, of course.

Re:I missed it? (3, Insightful)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | about 5 years ago | (#27430779)

I'd take my chances at not being the on in 60k they choose to sue.
Seeders: 22425
Leechers:36869
total: 59294

Infact that's a snapshot so you're probably closer to 1 in a million chance of getting sued, IF they choose to sue any of the seeders not just the leak!

Re:I missed it? (1)

Cytric (1108137) | about 5 years ago | (#27431245)

Does it work for film the same as it does for TV shows? I thought if you distribute a copy prior to it's official release, it's now a punishable offense, and not just a civil suit.

Re:I missed it? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27430869)

cough*Proxy*cough

Re:I missed it? (5, Informative)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 5 years ago | (#27431089)

We do Internet for hotels. (In room WiFi) We have about 75 hotels under monitoring. All of them hit bit torrent hard every single night and max out the pipe. We have only ever received 1 MPAA letter. And for the record, the majority of our hotel feeds are from ATT business class DSL or Comcast business Internet. (Also ATT MIS, Logix, Covad, CBeyond, Embarq, and a few others)

Re:I missed it? (2, Funny)

Theoboley (1226542) | about 5 years ago | (#27431215)

If it was removed from the interwebs, It is entirely possible this torrent may be set up by the MPAA/Fox to trap such seeders and peers...

Re:I missed it? (5, Insightful)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | about 5 years ago | (#27430871)

Damn I wanted a copy of it and to be honest I will still see it in theatres.

I will never again willingly watch anything in a cinema so long as I live. Poor food, poor seats, poor video quality, and most of all poor company. The only advantage cinemas still retain over my living room is their sound systems, and frankly it's not worth the bother. I will wait for the Blu-Ray of any new film. It costs about as much as trip to the cinema anyway.

And if the studio refuses to release in my region simultaneously with others, I'll download the film. Tough luck guys. I had the money in my hand, ready to give it to you, but you gave me the finger instead. So guess what I'm giving you.

Re:I missed it? (2, Interesting)

Spazztastic (814296) | about 5 years ago | (#27430993)

I will never again willingly watch anything in a cinema so long as I live. Poor food, poor seats,

Sad but true. The seating is awful and is almost essential to the overall experience with the movie. My sister was all hyped for me to see The Dark Knight a the Franklin Institute's IMAX claiming it was the greatest. I've never sat in a movie seat that so closely resembled sitting coach in an airline in my life.

The good news is some of the new theaters being built are catching on. I had the pleasure of going to new-ish AMC theater in Paramus, NJ (attached to the mall). It had lots of leg room, great video and sound. Hopefully this will set a trend and the designers will realize that cramming in one extra row and column isn't as important as the repeat customers to a comfortable theater.

Re:I missed it? (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about 5 years ago | (#27431177)

I won't see it in theatres.

I wouldn't download and watch it either.

I'm feeling serverly burned out on Comic Book movies. I liked Iron Man, but have been nonplused by the other offerings in the past few years.

What's the saturation point for these things?

Marvel's "Origin" Series (5, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | about 5 years ago | (#27430187)

Disclaimer: I do not care for (nor own but a couple) manga, comic books or 'graphic novels.'

But when I was bored out of my mind one day I picked up the first of a six part series called "Origin" issued by Marvel [wikipedia.org] in 2001.

The story was good (not great) but the art was phenomenal. I am glad they re-worked Wolverine's origin story from whatever they had alluded to before and I recommend you view this series based purely on its art.

I can't find any indication of which story they are basing this film on. I only hope the movie can live up to the beautiful imagery and settings in this series.

I also hold the very unpopular viewpoint that it's basically a slap in the face to an artist to view their work before they're done with it. I also find it laughable that anyone would seek this out aside from people involved in movie production or people interested in this process to study. Do I think it will hurt the movie or cause any amount of financial loss? No, it's merely disrespectful and actually kind of humorous that anyone would ruin the initial exposure of what could amount to a great film.

Re:Marvel's "Origin" Series (1)

Zironic (1112127) | about 5 years ago | (#27430273)

I've seen this leaked version of the movie and even though the special effects were rather gray :P I found it to be fairly decent, I think I might see it when it comes out just to see how the special effects turned out.

Re:Marvel's "Origin" Series (-1, Redundant)

MadnessASAP (1052274) | about 5 years ago | (#27430837)

From what I understood it was a work copy so there was still some missing music and the special effects weren't complete.

Re:Marvel's "Origin" Series (4, Insightful)

Spazztastic (814296) | about 5 years ago | (#27430295)

Do I think it will hurt the movie or cause any amount of financial loss? No, it's merely disrespectful and actually kind of humorous that anyone would ruin the initial exposure of what could amount to a great film.

Do I think that they will use it as a scapegoat, much like Ubisoft did when an unfinished and buggy copy of Assassins Creed leaked [wikipedia.org]? Yes. If their movie doesn't do well in the box office (Well as in higher than their expectations) this will be a perfect excuse for them to use with the media and to investors.

Re:Marvel's "Origin" Series (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27430351)

When do you think Ubisoft will actually finish that up? All the missions seem the same (at least on the XBox 360).

But Honestly... (5, Insightful)

StDoodle (1041630) | about 5 years ago | (#27430393)

Ok, even if I don't agree, I can at least see the logic between "full movie dl's = less ticket sales." But this is a freaking action movie without completed special effects. Can you honestly tell me there are a significant number of people interested in seeing an action movie, minus special effects, who aren't also the fanboy-types who will see it in theatres?

Re:Marvel's "Origin" Series (1)

furby076 (1461805) | about 5 years ago | (#27430315)

Well from previews I can tell you they changed some significant parts (wolverine/sabertooth are brothers in the movie... they were never brothers in the comics).
What really annoys me

The film is not due for release until 29 April in the UK and 1 May in the US.

Why not release it on the same day?

Time Zones.. (1)

way2trivial (601132) | about 5 years ago | (#27430355)

no really, I'm always a day late with these things myself

in both cases they want the release to occur on Friday night and get all weekend.

Re:Time Zones.. (1)

hajus (990255) | about 5 years ago | (#27431027)

It's Apr 29 in UK, and May 1 in the US. If it was timezones, then it would have to be the other way around as in Apr 30 in US and May 1 in UK, and it wouldn't be 2 days apart (just 1). And wtf, it's not going to be Friday on 2 different dates just cause of time zones, we use the same calendar!

Re:Marvel's "Origin" Series (1)

Rhaban (987410) | about 5 years ago | (#27430553)

In several european countries, movies are usually released on wednesday. Here in France Wolverine will be released on april 29th as well.

Worldwide releases means US gets the movie 2 days after the rest of the world.

Re:Marvel's "Origin" Series (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 5 years ago | (#27430345)

I think you're reading too much into the disrespect thing. I understand that from an artistic viewpoint you might have a certain idea of how you want your work received, but I think if the viewer receives more joy or whatever emotion from seeing inside the work as it were then it's best if they see it that way. Also you know people are never going to get precisely the experience you want them to, although many may lie within an acceptable range. If you accept that life is in the living, then you should accept that you benefited most from creating the work and they benefited most from experiencing it in the way most profound for them. Or uh, so I believe. :)

Re:Marvel's "Origin" Series (1)

fyoder (857358) | about 5 years ago | (#27431087)

I think you're reading too much into the disrespect thing.

S'truth, esp. given that this isn't some individual artist's master piece, but a commercial product of a big studio. But there are practical reasons for leaving it alone, namely, it isn't finished. If you're not a big fan, then you can wait, and if you are a big fan, wouldn't you rather see it with all the special effects and music? Do you really want your first exposure to be a work print?

Re:Marvel's "Origin" Series (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | about 5 years ago | (#27430445)

I kind of agree with you on art.

However, I view this as a corporate production by a committee - not a work of art.

It is no different than the latest "Fry's" add in it's essence.

I'll wait to see the finished product so the product can produce the appropriate tuned, tested, and approved emotional effects.

Re:Marvel's "Origin" Series (2, Interesting)

Zerth (26112) | about 5 years ago | (#27430493)

The story has common elements, but the details of those elements are very different.

IE, Logan works as a lumberjack and has a vaguely similar traumatic event happen while working there, but it is in a completely different decade and isn't in the same chronological order with other events.

And they kinda screwed up Deadpool.

Re:Marvel's "Origin" Series (3, Insightful)

PMuse (320639) | about 5 years ago | (#27430535)

Out of respect for the artistic integrity of the 20th Century Fox corporation? Now, that's funny.

Re:Marvel's "Origin" Series (1)

Archon-X (264195) | about 5 years ago | (#27430739)

You raise good points, but I think there's one thing to keep in mind.
Legality and everything aside - this is not a DVD rip, this is a workprint.

Workprints are rare - almost collector's items. You get the chance to see behind the scenes like never before. You see wire shots, greenscreen shots, placeholder CGI, rotated scenes, pre-colour corrected scenes, everything. Things you'd never get to see even on a 'making of' extra disc, etc.

Honestly, I enjoyed watching the workprint immensely, for the above reasons. I'd argue that this workprint will be adored and sought after by the fans, to get their hands on some 'collector's item' scenes and materials.

Did I cancel my pre-ordered DVD? Nope.
Will I still see it at the cinema? Most definitely, with even more enthusiasm to see the changes, and the tweaks to the final product.

Re:Marvel's "Origin" Series (1)

kyouteki (835576) | about 5 years ago | (#27431067)

That's exactly why I downloaded it.

But I've watched a few leaked workprints before. (Never of so high profile a movie.) And, well, allm y attention was drawn to the incomplete effects. Totally ruined the experience for me. So, I plan on keeping the Wolverine workprint and watching it after I see the movie theatrically.

Re:Marvel's "Origin" Series (1)

notarockstar1979 (1521239) | about 5 years ago | (#27430761)

I also hold the very unpopular viewpoint that it's basically a slap in the face to an artist to view their work before they're done with it. I also find it laughable that anyone would seek this out aside from people involved in movie production or people interested in this process to study. Do I think it will hurt the movie or cause any amount of financial loss? No, it's merely disrespectful and actually kind of humorous that anyone would ruin the initial exposure of what could amount to a great film.

I don't know about a slap in the face, but even as an amateur artist I don't like people seeing anything I do before it is complete. It's not laughable that someone would seek it out, however, it's human nature. There is a LOT of hype surrounding this film. A lot of people that are interested in the film want to be the first to see it, comment on it, bash it, or whatever. It's the same as the people screaming FIRST POST here.

Re:Marvel's "Origin" Series (5, Insightful)

kylemonger (686302) | about 5 years ago | (#27430905)

I also hold the very unpopular viewpoint that it's basically a slap in the face to an artist to view their work before they're done with it.

I would agree with you about most artistic endeavors but not about the sausageworks that is big studio moviemaking. Artistic integrity left that building long ago. I wouldn't be surprised if this were an intentional leak, done to generate more interest in the movie. I didn't even know there was a Wolverine movie being made, but I do now. News = free publicity. And there's no downside. Nobody who wants to see the real movie is going to be satisfied by a work print with missing effects, sound editing and God knows what else.

The Reverse Streisand (3, Insightful)

srussia (884021) | about 5 years ago | (#27430337)

It's the latest wrinkle in the marketer's playbook.

Re:The Reverse Streisand (1, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | about 5 years ago | (#27430447)

Reverse Streisand? I assume that's like the Reverse Cowgirl, only more horrific?

(lulz jk I know about the Streisand Effect. That's when she turns into a giant mechanical monster and battles Sidney Portier and Robert Smith)

Re:The Reverse Streisand (1)

Spazztastic (814296) | about 5 years ago | (#27430849)

Reverse Streisand? I assume that's like the Reverse Cowgirl, only more horrific?

Damn this vivid imagination of mine...

Re:The Reverse Streisand (1)

Cassini2 (956052) | about 5 years ago | (#27431141)

This is marketing. It is marketers capitalizing on the Streisand effect. Why else tell everyone you contained the situation?

There are at least 100,000 copies of the movie out there. This must be the Three Mile Island version of "containment". The release version of the film was contained, but everyone who wants to see the pre-release version will have it by Easter.

Spoiler alert! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27430341)

It's a pouch!

Math? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27430369)

May 1st - March 2nd = 1.97 months. Is "round towards zero" the new fad?

Re:Math? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27430457)

Except that it's April. Too much math to notice the change in month, dude?

Re:Math? (1, Informative)

mweather (1089505) | about 5 years ago | (#27430495)

No, and neither is reading comprehension apparently. The leaked film is marked May 1st, that's not when it was leaked. It was leaked in April, a month before the film's release.

Marked but they haven't arrested the guy? (5, Interesting)

MosesJones (55544) | about 5 years ago | (#27430415)

the copy is forensically marked

Ummm if this was true then it wouldn't be an issue of asking the FBI to investigate it would be a matter of telling the FBI which guy to arrest.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes to secure a conviction in this case and just how truthful the statements on protection are.

Re:Marked but they haven't arrested the guy? (5, Interesting)

quangdog (1002624) | about 5 years ago | (#27430683)

Does anyone know how it is forensically marked? Is it something as silly as a banner that appears from time to time in the film with a copyright notice on it? Or is there something more technically interesting going on - some method of steganography in film?

Re:Marked but they haven't arrested the guy? (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | about 5 years ago | (#27430939)

They have little orange dots in the theatre. Not sure if they have them at this stage.

If the person was smart, they could change the forensics.

I imagine you need a chain of evidence from the workprint on the internet back to a person somehow. Because otherwise, faking the forensics data makes it impossible to say a particular person did it beyond a reasonable doubt.

But you might be able to track the uploads and downloads through IP logs if the person was dumb and did it on their personal equipment.

Re:Marked but they haven't arrested the guy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27431115)

it has a banner across the bottom.

Re:Marked but they haven't arrested the guy? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 5 years ago | (#27430783)

Ummm if this was true then it wouldn't be an issue of asking the FBI to investigate it would be a matter of telling the FBI which guy to arrest.

That's only true assuming that only one person is known to have had access to the data stream (provably false.)

Re:Marked but they haven't arrested the guy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27431015)

No. Best case they know who was responsible for the film when it was copied. Presumably that person is in breach of contact and probably facing a pretty serious civil liability. However substantially more evidence would need to be gathered to show any crime has been committed let along to arrest anyone.

Re:Marked but they haven't arrested the guy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27431129)

Something tells me they will arrest someone and make an example out of them at the end of the day, evidence be damned.

I personally do not support the use of out and out theft of prereleased content, so I hope people will avoid downloading this thing and not give the MPAA another reason to use even more draconian protections.

I suspect this has to do with being under paid. (3, Insightful)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | about 5 years ago | (#27430449)

This probably all has to do with being under paid in an industry that makes ass loads of cash for the few at the top, and hardly any at the bottom.

Re:I suspect this has to do with being under paid. (4, Insightful)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 5 years ago | (#27430629)

This probably all has to do with being under paid in an industry that makes ass loads of cash for the few at the top, and hardly any at the bottom.

An industry? You're describing the entire system.

Are you implying this wouldn't have happened in a utopian comunist country?

Re:I suspect this has to do with being under paid. (4, Funny)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | about 5 years ago | (#27430743)

That is right, paying workers a fair wage is communist!

Re:I suspect this has to do with being under paid. (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 5 years ago | (#27430863)

That is right, paying workers a fair wage is communist!"

It depends on your definition of "fair".

Mine is 100% of what they produce. So yes, yes it is.

it was usless for those who downloaded (-1, Offtopic)

abhishek dhiman (1516789) | about 5 years ago | (#27430461)

man i wanted to c this movie so much..and i missed it on net.. well nice to hear that it wa incomplete..now i'll watch the whole muvie in theatre.. ha ha ha.. who downloaded it.. it was worthless..loosers..he he,

I loved the BBC article (5, Insightful)

Xest (935314) | about 5 years ago | (#27430489)

It talks about how the FBI has been called like it's a major disaster.

I can picture it now:

FBI: Hello FBI?

MPAA: THE NEW WOLVERINE FILM HAS BEEN LEAKED

FBI: SHIT, EVERYONE DROP THEIR RAPE CASES, THEIR KIDDIE PORN CASES, THEIR TERRORIST CASES, THE NEW WOLVERINE FILM HAS BEEN LEAKED WE MUST FIND OUT WHO DID THIS

It's just the way the leak of a film gets more news coverage than more serious stories. It's like it's an international tragedy. I mean seriously, a film with chunks missing, temporary sound, CGI missing and so on. There are companies every day that have their security breached and IP stolen. Why does it get international coverage when it's a half-finished movie?

The real response from the FBI should be:

FBI: Here's your case number, take your ticket and get to the back of the queue

On a side note the BBC also said that Fox has had the download of the new film taken down now - that baffled me a bit, I doubt very much they've managed to get it removed from the whole internet, if they have they're the first company in history to achieve such a thing!

Re:I loved the BBC article (5, Funny)

GrayCalx (597428) | about 5 years ago | (#27430691)

Hehe, I like to think it went down like this...

MPAA: THE NEW WOLVERINE FILM HAS BEEN LEAKED!!!

FBI: Okay. [Frank, turn that off] We've made a note of it. [seriously... no they're on the phone. yes the mpaa. What? No, they're on the phone right now!] Just one second. [Damn did you see him just rip that guy open... no, no let it play a bit now] Ahem, yes so we're on the case! [I can't wait to see what the effects are going to look like] We will umm, let you know when we find something.

Re:I loved the BBC article (2, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 5 years ago | (#27430713)

FBI: Hello FBI?

MPAA: THE NEW WOLVERINE FILM HAS BEEN LEAKED

FBI: Wrong number. *Hangs up*

"Shit, there's a leak in project Wolverine. Quick, call agent Manghetto! And put me with the president."
"Mr. Obama?"
"No, the real president. Doctor Doomsday!"

Re:I loved the BBC article (2, Interesting)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 5 years ago | (#27430749)

My guess:

HEADLINE: "Code stolen from (unknown company) that calculates (some random data) STOLEN!!!"

doesn't really relate to anyone where:

HEADLINE: "(a movie you probably want to see) has been STOLEN!!!"

Many more people will relate to and understand. News comes down to numbers.

Actually, not quite. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27431231)

They don't drop their rape cases--the FBI can do more than one thing at a time. But it is reasonable to pursue something like this, because realistically a work print this early will drive down sales in a major way costing the producers millions, easily. More importantly, we're trying to get better enforcement of IP rights in foreign countries and that's hard to argue for if we don't enforce them here. And too much of our GDP is in IP for us to ignore it--I don't think pirates should generally face massive fines or jailtime, but this is NOT the time to be cutting down on our exports.

Removed? (5, Informative)

prakslash (681585) | about 5 years ago | (#27430503)

This is not an April Fool's joke. This is real AND no one can remove shit like this from the internet.
The cat is far out of the bag.

The movie is still available on most major torrent sites.
IsoHunt [isohunt.com]
TPB [thepiratebay.org]

Now I understand.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27430659)

Now I understand why pirating a pre-release is such a big deal (considered the "single point of origin"/"responsible for all subsequent downloads" legal stuff). I was asking about why pirating an album prior to release was so much worse, but this show's why in 16 million colors:

Not only is it a slap in the face to the artists by releasing this /truly/ unfinished work, but a lot of kids won't see the movie because, well hey, I've already seen it.

Re:Now I understand.... (1)

phorm (591458) | about 5 years ago | (#27430829)

The X-Men series has been pretty good thus far (OK, the third not quite so good as the first two).

I'm plenty willing to pay and see this one, as opposed to an unfinished download that some dork posted up online.

And for the record, I do hope they catch whomever did this.

Re:Removed? (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 5 years ago | (#27430765)

This is not an April Fool's joke. This is real AND no one can remove shit like this from the internet.
The cat is far out of the bag.

Is it alive?

Re:Removed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27431279)

7000 peers right now. I'd call that alive.

Article Quotes (3, Interesting)

furby076 (1461805) | about 5 years ago | (#27430525)

20th Century Fox confirmed the copy had now been removed

Goodluck with that

The film is not due for release until 29 April in the UK and 1 May in the US.

This just annoys me. Release it on the same date.

"Even if you see the workprint you're still going to have to go see it in the theatre to fully experience the full movie with CGI effects fully intact."

Considering I like action movies on a screen bigger then 48 inches then yes.

According to its website, Rising Sun Pictures is an Australian visual effects company that worked on the film and is currently working on production of Terminator Salvation.

So when can I expect an early release of Terminator salvation?

The Federation Against Copyright Theft said a leak of this kind was extremely unusual as pre-release security had been tightened in recent years.

I had a full dvd rip of LOTR 3 two months before the movie was released to the movie theatres. By full rip I mean the DVD you would buy in stores when the movie was to be released to stores. This is not unusual/uncommon.

We are encouraged by the support of fansites condemning piracy and this illegal posting and pointing out that such theft undermines the enormous efforts of the filmmakers and actors and, above all, hurts fans of the film" the studio said.

Obvioulsy we will condem it, but that won't stop an "estimated several 100,000 times" of downloads from happening.

In 2007 director Eli Roth blamed an online leak of his horror film Hostel: Part II for reducing box office returns.

Yes there will be some people who say "meh i saw an early release so no reason to see it in theatres" There will also be people who want to see the completed version on the BIG screen.

In an interview with MTV he claimed: "You could buy Hostel: Part II for a quarter in Mexico City. As a result, in a lot of countries where the piracy was bad, they just didn't even release it."

This part is a shame...people who are willing to pay 25 cents for the movie because they want to view it but aren't willing to go to the movie theatre or buy it on legit dvd. These movies aren't free to make.

In a change from recent years, the adverts move away from the message that piracy is theft. Audiences will instead see a trailer, fronted by Dr Who actor Noel Clarke, thanking them for paying to come and watch a film.

About time - i would prefer to see someone thanking me when I buy/rent a legit dvd. I understand the need to have the message there, but I have seen it ton of times. I wish they would make it so I could skip over it.

Re:Article Quotes (2, Informative)

iainl (136759) | about 5 years ago | (#27430725)

Re: release date differences, it's only two days. Here in the UK we're getting a Wednesday release because the kids are off school, and it makes the opening weekend number bigger. The US marketing department apparently don't think it's worth doing something other than the usual Friday. It's hardly the biggest difference out there.

As for Hostel II, surely Roth's problem was more the phenomenally bad reviews prior to release that killed it, rather than some unusually large number of pirate copies?

Re:Article Quotes (2, Insightful)

rrossman2 (844318) | about 5 years ago | (#27430751)

"In 2007 director Eli Roth blamed an online leak of his horror film Hostel: Part II for reducing box office returns." Or maybe it had to do with the fact I saw the first one, which wasn't horrible but besides some of the more "entertaining scenes" was a bit.. typical. Did I see the second in theaters? Nope, didn't really appeal too much. Seemed like a cheap follow up to the first one. Maybe it wasn't the leak of the movie that killed box office sales, maybe there were many others out there who, like me, just didn't care to see it in theaters. This holds true with a lot of movies. All I can say is, I'm glad I didn't pay to see Quarantine. The first maybe half hour or so was actually entertaining, but after that it went to hell real quick.

Re:Article Quotes (1)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | about 5 years ago | (#27430771)

About time - i would prefer to see someone thanking me when I buy/rent a legit dvd. I understand the need to have the message there, but I have seen it ton of times. I wish they would make it so I could skip over it.

Actually if I buy a DVD I want that DVD to be free of commercials, trailers, of everything but the movie (maybe behind the scenes can stay). Take out all the extra crap. I am paying for the movie. I do not need to see ads or other trailers.

Re:Article Quotes (4, Insightful)

lewp (95638) | about 5 years ago | (#27430947)

Nothing gets on my nerves more than unskippable DVD chapters. It's bad enough that the stupid MPAA/FBI warning is pretty much always unable to be skipped, but lots of DVDs actually stick commercials and previews at the beginning that you can't skip over either.

On the other hand, if I pirate the film, I can have it in less than a half hour (less than the time it takes to run to the video store), the movie is never out of stock, I can watch it as many times as I want (making it superior to "on demand"), and all of that annoying crap is removed.

I only buy a movie on DVD if I really, really like it.

Re:Article Quotes (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 5 years ago | (#27430861)

"This part is a shame...people who are willing to pay 25 cents for the movie because they want to view it but aren't willing to go to the movie theatre or buy it on legit dvd. These movies aren't free to make."

true, but in those countries no one can afford to go to the movies. So they wouldn't make money anyways.
So it's not a real large problem in that it's not a loss.

Don't waste my time making me watch you thank me. Just get to the damn movie.

Of course, this specific case won't result in any lost movie sales. It's not complete. Just like people who film a movie while watching it in a public theater. Who cares, it's not going to hurt sales in any meaningful way.

Re:Article Quotes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27431201)

So when can I expect an early release of Terminator salvation?

Rising Sun didn't leak it, vfx houses hardly ever get the entire film and if they do it has a huge watermark with the company name over the entire frame.

I had a full dvd rip of LOTR 3 two months before the movie was released to the movie theatres. By full rip I mean the DVD you would buy in stores when the movie was to be released to stores. This is not unusual/uncommon.

I'm pretty sure I was still working on vfx shots 2 months out, so I doubt that.

This might change my mind (5, Interesting)

ParadiseBob (1126869) | about 5 years ago | (#27430695)

I had absolutely no interest in this movie and no plans to see it. The opportunity to see a work in progress is intriguing though, and I would be more inclined to go see the finished movie after watching the work print to compare the two. I'm not necessarily saying it's a good thing that this was leaked, but in my case (and maybe a few others), this might change a "not interested" into a potential customer interested in a peak at the film making process.

I watched it (4, Interesting)

shellster_dude (1261444) | about 5 years ago | (#27430781)

Since I have an interest in CG and filmography I downloaded the workprint just because I wanted to see how they blended the CG with real effects. I will be seeing the movie in theaters as well.

DON"T READ THIS COMMENT (5, Funny)

fulldecent (598482) | about 5 years ago | (#27430867)

I hate to ruin it for you, but he dies in the end.

Re:DON"T READ THIS COMMENT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27431151)

Sounds plausible, dont tell him though, he doesnt appear to notice he's dead in the rest of the movies.

Re:DON"T READ THIS COMMENT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27431153)

please sir, can you please send us your IP address.A representative of our "group" would like to have a few words with you

FBI Resources (4, Insightful)

joocemann (1273720) | about 5 years ago | (#27430909)

Its a shame the FBI will spend time and resources to investigate civil crimes such as media piracy --- yet the FBI continuously fails to investigate political corruption, vote fraud, and a number of other seriously criminal acts that happen in the US.

I am somehow reminded (living in CA where it is illegal) of the local police and highway patrol constantly using their Cell Phones while driving...

I guess the FBI knows not to bite the dirty hands that feed them.

Great advertising (1)

xorsyst (1279232) | about 5 years ago | (#27431011)

I hadn't even heard that they were releasing a new X-men movie. Now I know all about it thanks to this. If anything, this might increase the box office takings.

As if it would hurt ticket sales (1)

grapeape (137008) | about 5 years ago | (#27431221)

An incomplete workprint gets leaked...so what. People that will be grabbing this are more than likely fanboys who will be waiting in line opening night anyway. Missing special effects and the soundtrack in a movie that depends heavily on both is just a prelude to the real thing for fans. Unless the movie is absolutely horrible I cant really see any damage being done. Not that I condone piracy or leaked films before they were intended to be seen but lets be realistic about it.

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