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EVO Linux Gaming Console Opens Pre-Orders

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the more-titles-please dept.

Games 247

Engadget is reporting that Envizions, maker of the EVO Linux game console, has finally announced final specs and opened the doors to pre-orders. All bets are off until users actually see the hardware, but it will be nice to see a new player in the market. Of course, this assumes they put some time into a little polish that is usually expected from the gaming community (that website, yikes) and some effort into a killer game library. "Envizions say that the console will run a modified, quick-boot distro of Fedora called Mirrors (which can be upgraded to a beefier build named Mirrors Evolution X), and will feature a "cloud" service stacked with Amiga (!) games and an Akimbo-based video service. Beyond that, proper titles will be sold online and on SD cards for around $20." I'm sure they won't forget to send Slashdot a beta review copy with a couple of games.

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I"ll wait. (1, Funny)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447541)

I want to find out what the Penny-Arcade [penny-arcade.com] guys think of this thing.

Re:I"ll wait. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27448239)

does it run windows?

I could have got first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27447583)

except Slashdot's load times are terrible lately. Oh well, frosty piss and all of that.

Re:I could have got first post (2, Funny)

Cube Steak (1520237) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447673)

That's what you get for posting from an EVO Linux Gaming Console.

Great. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27447597)

Now I can pay a fee to play "Free" Open Source Software games. Awesome!

Re:Great. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27447635)

i.e. i hate everyone who makes money from anything except for me because i work hard and no one else does.

lame.

Re:Great. (1)

Narishma (822073) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447965)

Yeah because taking open source games made by others and selling them is such hard work.

Re:Great. (4, Funny)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447675)

Well people often play commercial games for free, so there is at least symmetry.

Re:Great. (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448863)

That's actually quite a serious point - all games consoles have copy protection because developers won't go near them otherwise.

Re:Great. (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448073)

Indeed. Not only that, you get to play a static, old version of Linux, on static, old hardware, with static, old games designed for that system. Hardware devices are one place I'd like to see Linux and other trademarks enforced, so that their name doesn't get associated with upgraded wristwatches.

Long term support (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448401)

you get to play a static, old version of Linux

You mean like the kernel of the Long Term Support versions of Ubuntu OS?

on static, old hardware

You mean like the Eee PC, which has the same Celeron 900 CPU as desktops available 7 to 8 years ago?

with static, old games designed for that system.

Know why Nintendo loaded the Wii Shop Channel up with Virtual Console games for the Wii launch? Easy: it prints money [ytmnd.com] .

Looks all right (1)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447607)

The console itself looks decent. Not to flashy or ridiculous. Should look good in the entertainment center. It's nice to see they're basically using a PS2/3 controller knockoff. I really like the shape of those controllers. I'm looking forward to the possibility of built-in media streaming support for open source codecs!

Re:Looks all right (4, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447907)

It's nice to see they're basically using a PS2/3 controller knockoff.

No it's not. It a very bad sign. See, every so often a company comes along and sees how profitable the gaming industry is. They then think to themselves, "well, that's EASY! I should get a piece of the pie!" Then they spare no imagination (literally, none at all) in creating the most generic "game console" known to mankind. Without fail, they always copy the PS2 controller design. (Which isn't even that great to begin with.)

Then when they stroll into the market thinking they're going to pick up a few dozen studio partnerships and get about the business of selling this generic piece of plastic. Except, shock and horror! None of the game studios are taking them seriously! Why oh why?!? Don't they see how awesome and moneyful* this venture will be?!?!

Eventually, the company runs out of money and hangs their heads in shame. Those stupid game studios. It's all their fault.

Cases in Point (Note the controllers):
Indrema [wikipedia.org]
Mattel Hyperscan [mydigitallife.info]
Phantom Game Console [bbc.co.uk]

If you ever see a game console that uses a rip-off PS2 controller, run the other way. FAST.

* Hey, it's a perfectly cromulent word!

Re:Looks all right (5, Funny)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448329)

"If you ever see a game console that uses a rip-off PS2 controller, run the other way. FAST."

You mean like the PS3?

X. Box. 360. (0, Offtopic)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448455)

If you ever see a game console that uses a rip-off PS2 controller, run the other way. FAST.

The Xbox 360's name was ripped off the PlayStation family controller. Here's proof [wikia.com] .

Re:Looks all right (2, Informative)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448705)

Well PS controller hasn't changed much since the original Playstation.

Let's look at the major competitors.

XBox - Buttons in approximately the same locations/quantities + the white and black buttons.
XBox 360 - Same thing as XBox except that black/white have been moved/removed (can't remember which).

Nintendo 64 - No where close to PS controller design.
Gamecube - Similar feel to PS controller, except that the right side buttons are arranged in a different format.
Wii- Totally different.

So... what will it play? (4, Insightful)

A. B3ttik (1344591) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447643)

With the exception of the "Amiga" snippit, I can't find anything on the internet regarding what games this is going to be able to play.

What, exactly, does "proper titles" encompass?
Will it run PC Games?
Maybe ANY games from any other console?
Will developers need to write games specifically for this? Why would they do so?


Or are we simply going to be limited to the vast selection of Linux Games on the market?

Re:So... what will it play? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27447775)

Linux Games on Evo Smart Console [evosmartconsole.com]

Tremulous, Battle for Wesnoth, SuperTux, Alien Arena.

Looks like they are looking for developers [evosmartconsole.com] but I don't know how open it is going to be.

Re:So... what will it play? (2, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448159)

It seems like all FS2 Open and Vega Strike will need is some interface work. FS2 Open might not even need that, I think you can run it without a mouse already. That's two spaceflight sims, one with support for persistent multiplayer worlds (and the other one with an extremely high level of polish.) There's three or four car racing games which I think are sufficiently polished to put out a halfway decent product. Linux means HID means USB KB+Mouse and 2GB memory and dual-core means that you can run Wine and run many Windows games on top of that as well. This is the game console that can actually function as a full PC... I don't know that I'll preorder, but I would certainly buy one at full retail. I will have to chew over the preorder question. I'd have to know where they're being made and that they actually have a high likelihood of being made. It would help if I knew the hardware design was 100% complete.

Re:So... what will it play? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448491)

Looks like they are looking for developers [evosmartconsole.com] but I don't know how open it is going to be.

The requirement of a "full and incorporated business name" is reminiscent of Nintendo's long-standing requirement of a leased office.

Re:So... what will it play? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27447989)

OK poking around further on the "flash based site with mystery meat navigation" (as the AC several posts below refers to it) reveals a link to EVO: Direct(tm) [evosmartconsole.com] . I can't believe that this is intended as a means of acquiring games for a Linux based console as every title I checked were Windows games.

Re:So... what will it play? (4, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448111)

reveals a link to EVO: Direct(tm)

Oh, hey! I forgot about these guys. EVO acts as sort of a clearing house for indie games. Except that their website is horrible and there has never been anything there worth buying. So I've always gone directly to the studios themselves.

If this is the same EVO, I wouldn't put too much stock in their success.

Especially if you think about what they're offering. Operating Systems are quite possibly the least important part of a game console. At least to the user. Developers only care about APIs and ease of development. While Linux may alleviate the latter issue, what is truly gained by advertising a console based on Linux? Because you'll be able to... to... um... recompile the kernel! No, that's not it. Port TuxRacer! Um... hmm... Run you Linux applications on it! Yeah, that's it. Run your--

Wait. Why would you want to do that? Isn't the point to play games?

SDL + OpenGL (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448729)

While Linux may alleviate the latter issue, what is truly gained by advertising a console based on Linux?

Precisely because it alleviates the latter issue. Indie game developers are already familiar with the SDL + OpenGL stack and the AllegroGL stack, both of which are ported to GNU/Linux.

$280-350 (1)

esocid (946821) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447647)

Isn't too bad considering the specs of the Evo.
  1. Athlon 64x2 5600 CPU (clocked to 2.4GHz)
  2. ATI HD 3200
  3. 2GB of DDR2 RAM
  4. 120GB hard drive

But then again, why not hook your old computer to your tv and run this distro and just buy the games and use the Evo controller or gamepad?

The video is less than old ATI 9800 series (1)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447737)

http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Radeon-HD-3200.9591.0.html [notebookcheck.net]

Basically on part with Nvida 8400 series mobility cards.

I assume they underclock the CPU to reduce heat? I don't see why otherwise.

Re:The video is less than old ATI 9800 series (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447843)

That's still going to beat the living shit out of, say, Xbox video. Which means it's more than enough to put out credible graphics. Nintendo decided that last year's graphics were good enough when the Wii came out; the lack of HD looks positively dated right now (though it rarely interferes with enjoyment in any way.) I don't see why it wouldn't be good enough here.

Re:The video is less than old ATI 9800 series (4, Insightful)

Narishma (822073) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448083)

Because Nintendo made up for the lack of HD graphics by having a new/original controller. This thing seems about as powerful as the original Xbox (CPU is better but GPU is worse). For the price they are asking, you can get a PS3 that has a lot of games, plays blu-rays and dvds and a lot of other stuff. If Linux is your thing you can also install it on the PS3.

Re:The video is less than old ATI 9800 series (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448475)

If it has bluetooth (or USB, whence bluetooth) then you can hook a Wiimote up to it. Linux on the PS3 does not permit the use of the graphics accelerator and as such is bread and circuses for stupid Romans.

Re:The video is less than old ATI 9800 series (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448775)

If it has bluetooth (or USB, whence bluetooth) then you can hook a Wiimote up to it.

But if it lacks Bluetooth, and the console maker neither sells a USB Bluetooth adapter nor provides a properly signed driver for third-party Bluetooth adapters, you can't connect your Wii Remote. Besides, a game that requires an extra controller usually won't sell except when bundled with said extra controller.

Re:The video is less than old ATI 9800 series (0, Troll)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448865)

But if it lacks Bluetooth, and the console maker neither sells a USB Bluetooth adapter nor provides a properly signed driver for third-party Bluetooth adapters, you can't connect your Wii Remote.

Dude. It runs Linux. You can use it as a desktop computer, which is what justifies the price - you'll also be able to run MythTV or XBMC or whatever on it. Er, provided it actually happens, that is. And properly signed driver? The system runs Fedora. You are such a fucking troll.

Re:The video is less than old ATI 9800 series (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448627)

They also made up for it by going after the party games market. People who just want a fun time, and might only want to spend 20-30 minutes on a gmae.

That seems to ahve worked for them.
I really enjoy our Wii, far more then I would Xbox or PS3.

They age demographic of my kids make sit a better choice as well.

I don't need HD with my games, I need fun.

Re:The video is less than old ATI 9800 series (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27448363)

Uhh, no. Even the original Xbox GPU was more powerful than this thing. This integrated video class HD3200 can't even run something like Doom3 at playable framerates. Basically, expect to see Playstation 2 or lesser graphics.

There are some important differences with the Wii that allow Nintendo to get away with their choices:

1. Nintendo has brand recognition. Everyone knows who they are. Nobody knows who "EVO" is.
2. The Wii was released in 2006. In 2009 people are going to expect better graphics relative to the time.
3. The Wii is probably less expensive than this thing will be.
4. Nintendo has well known game franchises and developers.
5. The Wiimote.

Nobody knew PlayStation or Xbox (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448869)

Nobody knows who "EVO" is.

Nobody knew "Nintendo" when ColecoVision was out and Atari 7800 was announced. Nobody knew "PlayStation" or "Sony Computer Entertainment" when Sega Saturn was out and Nintendo 64 was announced. Nobody knew "Xbox" or "Microsoft Entertainment and Devices" when PlayStation 2 was out and Nintendo GameCube was announced. Yet they both had strong showings in their first two iterations.

Nintendo has well known game franchises and developers.

If EVO were to drop its requirement for a corporate name, this console could use mods as a selling point: "the YouTube of games".

Re:$280-350 (1)

tjw (27390) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448813)

But then again, why not hook your old computer to your tv

HDMI, 1080p, noise, and power consumption.

This device would make a perfect MythTV frontend/backend machine. If it's for real, I want one just for a HD frontend.

$380... (5, Interesting)

Zakabog (603757) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447653)

This thing is going to retail for $380. For $19 more I can buy a PS3, install their linux distro, play all of the games this system can play, all of the games PS3 can play, and also play blu-ray movies.

I'd really like to know, who is their target audience?

Re:$380... (4, Informative)

TerranFury (726743) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447697)

Can you? I thought that PS3 linux had no access to the Cell's execution units and so basically had no hardware acceleration? Or am I wrong?

Re:$380... (2, Informative)

Psyko (69453) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447773)

That's true, not sure if sony is going to open it up in the future or not.

Also that yellow dog ppc distro that's officially supported has a long way to go. They don't pack the current release with an mp3 decoder or flash support (which is turning away a lot of people that try it), but at least it ships with gcc.

Re:$380... (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448619)

They don't pack the current release with an mp3 decoder or flash support (which is turning away a lot of people that try it)

How is that Sony's fault? It's Thomson's and Adobe's.

Re:$380... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448661)

Didn't Sony already license mp3 support for the PS3 software so that the PS3 could play mp3s? Flash support I understand.

Re:$380... (1)

funkatron (912521) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448859)

They failed to install two very important bits of software. One of these bit of software is available completely free with full source code so it could be built for the cell architecture. The other shouldn't be too difficult to negotiate. How is it not their fault?

Re:$380... (3, Informative)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447815)

Linux on the PS3 has access to 6 of the 7 SPUs. It does not have direct access to the GPU, only a frame buffer.

Re:$380... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27448249)

Yes. This is the main reason ps3 are sometimes called "crippled".

Re:$380... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27448655)

The Sony Hypervisor runs on one of the SPU's, Linux is given access to 7 of the 8 SPU's and the PowerPC core.

The hypervisor forbids access to the graphics accelerator (RSX), so you only get frame buffer graphics.

Re:$380... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27447805)

I'd really like to know, who is their target audience?

Idiots.

Re:$380... (5, Informative)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447855)

For $180 less you can get a PC with the better specs than this thing that also runs Linux.

Re:$380... (3, Funny)

fm6 (162816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448141)

But it's not a console! It's a PC! Its chassis is big and ugly!

Re:$380... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27448407)

You mean big and ugly like an Xbox or big and ugly like an Xbox 360?

SDTV output (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448557)

For $180 less you can get a PC with the better specs than this thing that also runs Linux.

Does a $200 PC have composite or S-Video output? No; that's a $50 extra [sewelldirect.com] .

Re:SDTV output (1)

Rycross (836649) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448895)

There's plenty of cheap graphics cards (including integrated) out there with S-video out. You can also find composite out and HDMI. DVI-to-HDMI + optical audio is available.

Re:$380... (1)

revoltingdevelopment (1330817) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448381)

I'd really like to know, who is their target audience?

One man: RMS.

Re:$380... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27448523)

Slashdot?

Re:$380... (1)

BcNexus (826974) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448861)

No, you can't. Linux on the PS3 does not have access to 3D graphics acceleration. Not to mention, at 512 MB, the PS3 has 1/4 of the RAM. Also, Ubuntu takes about three to five mutes to boot up and load Firefox and google.com. I know: I love my PS3 for the games and BluRay and I've tried Ubuntu on it.

I predict... (4, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447657)

That this will become a hackers toy, rather than a gamers toy. They're targeting a pretty small market if they feel the need to advertise their Amiga library. Maybe they want to go for the nostalgic and hacker audiences, but unless this brings something to the table that the Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo can't patch into their current consoles I just don't see it gaining any steam.

Re:I predict... (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447857)

If it's fairly quiet I think I might put one under my TV, install MythTV on it, load it with emulators+games and Stepmania, and have a good damn time for $380.

Set up some NFS drives on a remote fileserver and it'll be good for playing movies/TV shows, too.

Re:I predict... (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448297)

They're targeting a pretty small market if they feel the need to advertise their Amiga library.

The fact that they are introducing a new gaming console in an oversaturated market means they have no idea what their market is. Amiga support just makes it a little more obvious.

This is typical geek entrepeneurship. The product is based on what they think is cool rather than what there's a likely market for.

Of course, sometimes geek entrepeneurship succeeds in spite of itself. Woz thought the target audience for the Apple was fellow geeks, which is why he invented the idea of an plug-in bus with documented specs for it. If he'd been right, Apple might have derived a modest income from this product for a short while. But what actually happened is that people started designing serious plugin cards that transformed the Apple II into the first mass-market computer.

So maybe these guys will prove us cynics wrong. But the odds are against them.

Re:I predict... (3, Funny)

Corpuscavernosa (996139) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448307)

Totally. I'm so going to install Linux on mine!

Stuck in a time warp (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27447661)

That flash based site with mystery meat navigation is straight out of the 90s.

I'm not sure how accurate time travel has become these days, but if it were possible to post the console back to 1999, it would sell extremely well.

Fool me upteenth time (3, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447663)

Lemme see here...

  • Indrema
  • Phantom
  • XGP
  • Variety of Linux-based PDAs

Many of the vaporware game consoles and PDAs over the years have convinced Linux users to plunk down pre-order cash before a product existed. Of course, the product often never materializes.

I wouldn't put too much credibility into anything offering pre-orders until they are vetted as a reliable company with actual hardware in the mail.

Fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again. :-P

iPhone? (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448915)

Based on BSD, and pretty much a type of PDA...

SpeedBall? (1)

neo (4625) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447731)

"...will feature a "cloud" service stacked with Amiga (!) games"

I'd buy this console if I could just play SpeedBall one last time with a joystick that would leave those painful blisters right in the center of my palm as I crushed and smashed my spiked fisted way to the goal and scored to the cheers of the corporate crowds.

Sigh.

Sold at a profit? Wildly successful. (3, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447745)

Subject says it all: if they are able to sell the system at a profit then they will be wildly successful. Why? Because the machine has excellent specifications for the price (love that footprint) and if it is at all reliable then it's going to be a moneymaker. I'll buy one to replace my Xbox as the system which runs XBMC, since I now have an HDTV and the Xbox can't really handle drawing the XBMC interface fluidly at 1080i (and doesn't have 1080p at all.) I've bought two (ooh, two) Xbox games at full retail; while you might laugh about the $10 in licensing fees that netted Microsoft, I bought the console used so they definitely didn't eat anything there. If these guys can make a profit (any profit) on the hardware and then make a few bucks per owner on games, they're in the money.

Re:Sold at a profit? Wildly successful. (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447943)

Hell, I've been planning to build a MythTV box some time this year, but if this thing goes a couple months past release without a large number of users seeing hardware failures and such, I may just get this instead. Doubt I'll buy a single game for it (though I will certainly put some on there--mmm, emulators) but the machine itself looks perfect for my needs (desires, rather).

Re:Sold at a profit? Wildly successful. (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448665)

I will be surprised if it is quite.

Re:Sold at a profit? Wildly successful. (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448701)

Subject says it all: if they are able to sell the system at a profit then they will be wildly successful. Why? Because the machine has excellent specifications for the price (love that footprint) and if it is at all reliable then it's going to be a moneymaker.

LOLWUT? Compared to equivalently priced consoles, this machine is lacking.

If you mean as a generic linux PC, maybe you're onto something... except you can get better hardware for the same price. As you mention, it has a nice footprint, but in all other respects it's inferior hardware for the price.

Re:Sold at a profit? Wildly successful. (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448881)

Um.... dont. my XBMC live box I have at home has a dualcore 3.0ghz processor and it CANT play 1080p high motion content well. This gaming platform might not have the guts to play 720p.

Honestly, you can build a XBMC live box for less than $200.00 that can playback 720 all day long and that includes a media center case with a VFD display.

like the console, the website is horrid (1)

unix_geek_512 (810627) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447747)

The console looks quite nice, I'd love to get one but the website is horrid.

It's flash and IMHO it looks terrible with very poor functionality.

Awesome! (1)

C10H14N2 (640033) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447749)

With a craptastic website worse than a 9th-grader's MySpace page and a /. story with a solitary link to !@#$ing Engadget, the actual product is sure to be chock full of quality.

lol (2)

Threni (635302) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447753)

> All bets are off till users actually see the hardware, but it would be nice to see a new player in the market. Of course this assumes they put some time into a little
> polish that is usually expected from the gaming community (that website, yikes) and some effort into a killer game library.

But apart from the mystery spec, shit website and lack of games, it's a killer console. I'm sure Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft are holding crisis talks.

Re:lol (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448615)

But apart from the mystery spec, shit website and lack of games, it's a killer console. I'm sure Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft are holding crisis talks.

Sony obviously sees Linux console gaming as a major threat, because now they've given us two generations of game console which both run linux, while on neither one do they permit access to the graphics hardware beyond a framebuffer.

Yay (2, Insightful)

LurkingOnSlashdot (1378465) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447757)

Now we can pay $20/game to play games we can otherwise download on our computers for free?!

Price of an XBox... (2, Insightful)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447785)

So for the price of an XBox 360, I can buy a console that doesn't have -any- video games that were written this decade yet, and future games will cost $20.

Newsflash: Game developers want to charge more than $20 for games. They aren't going to bother making games for this thing when they could make them for 360 or PS3 and sell them for more.

Re:Price of an XBox... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27447833)

Agreed 100%. Competition sucks. I wish Microsoft could establish a monopoly in video game systems, that way I don't ever have to think about things.

Re:Price of an XBox... (2, Insightful)

MikeUW (999162) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448137)

Newsflash: Game developers want to charge more than $20 for games. They aren't going to bother making games for this thing when they could make them for 360 or PS3 and sell them for more.

You might be right about current game developers - but isn't there a huge start-up cost to break into that industry? An open console like this might provide a new opportunity (or reduce barriers) for new players to enter the market. Perhaps we'll actually see something new and innovative come out of it.

Re:Price of an XBox... (1)

LUH 3418 (1429407) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448293)

Even if they only ported open source games to it, you could have 3D shooters from *this decade* such as nexuiz running on it:

http://www.alientrap.org/nexuiz/ [alientrap.org]

Furthermore, the possibility of using this as a networked HD media player box makes it much more interesting.

My only worry is that this device may well be just vaporware. Pre-order often means "will never materialize", unfortuately.

Re:Price of an XBox... (1)

Rycross (836649) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448383)

Well I guess it could technically be considered from this decade, but only just barely. It doesn't quite reach the level of a PS2 launch title in terms of polish, but its putting out graphics that probably couldn't be done on the PS1. Can't tell much about gameplay from just screenshots, but it looks woefully generic.

Not a game a lot of people would be interested in playing. Let me know if there's any games that can reach current-generation (at least Wii level) polish, or an innovative concept that can excuse a lack thereof.

Re:Price of an XBox... (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448937)

Game developers want to charge more than $20 for games.

Then explain all the games showing up in my WiiWare list for 1500 points or less.

$380 is outrageous (1)

realmolo (574068) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447879)

I like the hardware. I like the fact that it runs Linux, and uses SD cards for games. The whole design philosophy behind the console is great.

But $380? Are they out of their fucking MINDS? The hardware is WEAK compared to a 360, PS3, or even a Wii.

This thing could be successful if they sold it for $200. But at $380, there is NO WAY anyone is going to buy it.

That's the problem with getting into the console business- you have to be able to produce/sell the hardware in enormous quantities so you can get the price down. This company obviously can't do that, so they're paying (almost) retail prices for the hardware. Which means they're fucked.

How the hell did this ever get funding? (4, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447939)

Seriously, what a horrible idea. I don't see how this has any hope of competing with the three consoles that are on the market now. It doesn't have an impressive graphics chip, so it isn't going to blow people away with visuals. At the listed price point, it doesn't have any real price advantage (you can get a 360 for $300, a Wii for $250, a PS3 for $400). It doesn't seem to have ANY new games, much less games that you can't get on another console. So what's the draw?

OSS isn't an answer. Consoles gamers really don't care. The reason people like to buy consoles is to get cheap hardware to play games and no problems. They aren't buying them to write their own software. For that they buy, well, a computer.

I cannot see how the hell they expect this to succeed.

Re:How the hell did this ever get funding? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448263)

Same way the GPX2 and pandora do. They expect to get sell thousands of units not millions of them.

Not everything ever sold has to be found in every home in the first world to turn a profit.

Re:How the hell did this ever get funding? (1)

radish (98371) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448803)

(you can get a 360 for $300, a Wii for $250, a PS3 for $400).
Actually, the base level 360 is $200, which makes this an even more absurd product.

Year of the Linux Console (4, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447947)

2009 will be the Year of the Linux Console.

That's right, you just read it on the internet -- it must be true!

Re:Year of the Linux Console (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27448579)

2009 will be the Year of the Linux Console.

If I put a Linux console on top of my desk would that make 2009 the Year of the Linux Console on the Desktop?

Any role for X? (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 5 years ago | (#27447963)

I was wondering whether X has a role in this venture...or did they strip the memory hog out in favour of something better.

Google did it with Android did it. Apple did the same thing with their OSX system too. Maybe the EVO Linux Gaming Console can take a leaf from Google and Apple.

Yikes indeed... (4, Funny)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448035)

(that website, yikes)

Hmm - Flash used gratuitously where regular HTML + bitmaps would do nicely: CHECK.

Given that they're going to use Flash, failure to take advantage of Flash's main advantage, vis. nice, scalable, anti-aliased vector images: CHECK.

Annoying "mystery meat" navigation system: CHECK.

Annoying textured backgrounds under text: CHECK (at least choose a texture that doesn't look like compression artefacts!)

Crummy English: CHECK. (two words, guys: proof reading!)

Now, I'm not a FOSS purist who's going to curse them unto the seventh generation for merely using Flash, but if FOSS/Linux is going to be one of their USPs they might want to consider their target market!

So, if the console/software designers had any role in that website - forget it.

Re:Yikes indeed... (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448157)

At this point I wonder why they bother mentioning Linux. They should just sell a black box, and tell customers what it can do and what games are available or will be available soon.

Since they only listed 4 open source Linux games on their site, my guess is they don't have a good story to use to sell the console.

if this pans out (1)

British (51765) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448061)

1. Buy said Linux-based video game console
2. Do not play it, nor open the box. Wait for product to fail.
3. Sell it on eBay 10 years later for a huge profit

Proof that this works: look how valuable the Halcyon console is. That's the holy grail of classic video game collecting. The more a console is a dud, the higher profits you can sell it later(exception: Atari Jaguar).

Re:if this pans out (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448259)

Proof that this works: look how valuable the Halcyon console is.

Bad example. The Halcyon was released with a $2500 price tag. Even if it lost a significant chunk of that value, it would still be one of the most expensive consoles in history.

With the possible exceptions of the Pippin and the Jaguar, nearly every "bad" console has lost significant value over the years. F-Channels are worthless, O^2s can be had for a song, people practically give away 5200s because of the controllers, and 7800s can be found for a very reasonably price.

3DOs and CD-is are barely a sixth of their original cost, Amiga CD32s can be found NEW on eBay for $80, Sega Saturns are a mere $40 or less, and the Brits don't have a bleeding clue what to do with their Amstrad GX4000s.

Soo... bad plan. :-)

Seems like a weird time to enter the market (5, Interesting)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448071)

How many more $200-$400 game consoles does the market need? My opinion is that we need fewer than we have. I would like to see more $50-$100 game consoles. I think there is a place in the market for an inexpensive console that everyone can afford, that has some built-in networking for purchasing content and service.

It could be as basic as $50 + $7.50/puzzle game. Plus if you focus on online purchases you don't have to setup retail channels, and you don't have to battle the used game market.
Wii, 360, PS3, iPhone, and Amazon Kindle are examples where a consumer device is plugged directly into an online store for buying apps. But all those devices are over $200 (except maybe a used 360).

Specs don't have to be fantastic either, if you aim for simple games that "non-gamers" like to play. I'm just thinking out loud here, but there are a lot of options for the hardware while still being fairly economical. The 600MHz OMAP3530 (ARM) [beagleboard.org] can do HD resolutions and 3D graphics, although I think a game system would have to be around $125 if you use that to break even. Maybe if VIA does a Nano with integrated chipset(System-on-Chip) the prices might be low enough for an x86-64 based console. But even if it was just an SNES with ethernet welded onto it, that would be good enough for a fair number of simple games. And SNES hardware is incredibly cheap to reproduce (I have an Chinese SNES clone that cost $30). But I think most of us would be willing to pay double or triple to have something that could do vector graphics and maybe light 3D.

Dial-up (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448663)

Plus if you focus on online purchases you don't have to setup retail channels

You do if the market for a $50 console largely overlaps the market for $15/mo Internet access [netzero.net] .

Re:Seems like a weird time to enter the market (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448749)

3. It needs three more.

Re:Seems like a weird time to enter the market (1)

closetpsycho (1175221) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448867)

The PSP is $120 used and $170 new, and it can connect to the PSN store. It can handle SNES and earlier games through emulation (assuming a certain willingness and capability to install custom firmware), and can also handle PS1 games, not to mention all of the platform specific games out for it. Not exactly in the $50-$100 range, I know, but it's also not in the $200-$400 range. Just to keep you aware of what's already out there that might match what you'd like.

Yuo f4il it. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27448353)

Still April 1st? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27448633)

Thought April 1st is over.

Good Potential (1)

CopaceticOpus (965603) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448635)

I could see a use for this system, if it is fully open and hackable. I wonder if it can handle things like:
  • Running Boxee, XBMC, Myth, etc.
  • Playing high bit rate / HD video files over a network
  • Web browsing
  • Compiling/running most any Linux software
  • Running emulators for old systems (NES, N64, C64, Dreamcast, etc.)
  • Dual boot into Windows (and/or run VirtualBox) in order to play Netflix and other proprietary streams
  • Support HDMI / 1080 output for all functions

If it can do all that and do it well, I'd love to have it in my living room, even if they don't release any games for it.

April fools? (1)

Cathoderoytube (1088737) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448653)

This sounds more like an April fools joke that didn't make it into the running.

Gaming Console, or Media Center? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27448683)

Even if NO games are developed for the EVO, it still would be a very versatile piece of hardware. It could nicely replace the aging computer I have set up as a media center in my living room.

In fact, despite being advertised as a gaming console, it sounds more like a media center to me. Fast CPU for video decoding with a relatively lightweight GPU. I'm going to guess that making sure this sort of functionality was available was a goal during development... I wonder if it's possible to drop a Blu-Ray player in there to replace the DVD burner...

I expect wine could play a decent number of PC games on it as well. It might even be possible to *Gasp* dual-boot with windows...not that anyone here would do that.

Kinda puttin' the cart before the horse... (1)

Loosifur (954968) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448755)

Was there a burning need among consumers for a Linux console that was going unfulfilled? Speaking as the kind of person who spends too much money on video games, I see no reason whatsoever to lay down any money at all for a Linux console. If I want to play Amiga games, I can download an emulator. If I want to play games on Linux (insofar as I can), I'd use WINE. Well, really, I'd just run XP or Vista, which I currently do, but that's another can o' worms. The point is that there aren't Linux games that would persuade someone like me to buy a Linux console. Hobbyists or FOSS supporters might, but that's not your money-making demographic if you're making a console. Maybe get a game company or two to sign on for a big launch title if you really want to get this thing off the ground, but as it stands I'd say there's precious little need for an Amiga emulator console. Especially at close to $400.

Um.. it looks like a u-ITX pc (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448771)

All their photos show a typical u-ITX Pc case you can get most anyplace.

Add in Bluetooth and some PS3 controllers and you have the same thing.

In fact it's probably a better setup if some group got together to make a linux distro for a base set of hardware that anyone could slap together for a Open Source gaming platform. Kind of like how the guys at MythTV have created a PVR platform recipe that everyone follows.

I thought... (1)

VinylRecords (1292374) | more than 5 years ago | (#27448809)

I thought April Fool's stories were done with already...

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