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Quebec Says 'Non' To English-Only Video Games

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the cette-ligne-est-mal-écrit-en-français dept.

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daveofdoom writes "The French-Canadian government of Quebec is saying 'non' to English-only video games if French versions are available. 'It's causing a lot of consternation among retailers and gamers alike, who fear the rules will lead to delays in video games arriving in the province, and may not accomplish what the law intends, which is to promote and protect the French language.' This is a ridiculous rule, as game companies can simply stop creating French versions of games to bypass the restriction."

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Choice fodder! (5, Funny)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454669)

Wow. Let the French jokes AND Canadian jokes commence!

Re:Choice fodder! (5, Funny)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454769)

Looks like its about time to surrender, eh?

Re:Choice fodder! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454771)

Q: What do you call a Frenchman who refuses to work and prays to Allah while rioting and raping white women?

A: A filthy, filthy sandNIGGER.

Re:Choice fodder! (4, Insightful)

Redlazer (786403) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454873)

As a Canadian, I would like to make it very, very clear that the rest of Canada, especially here in BC, have absolutely no patience, concern, or otherwise good will towards anyone who would consider them "Quebecois".

Those responsible for creating the idea that we are in any way supportive of our irritating french neighbours, have been sacked.

-The Canadians

Re:Choice fodder! (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454975)

As another Canadian, I support the parent posts statement.

Re:Choice fodder! (3, Insightful)

supernova_hq (1014429) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455049)

Here, here. As much as I love Quebec and their people (spent 2 weeks there and speak fluent french), nobody makes fun of the Quebecers more than the rest of us Canadians!

Disclaimer: I love the Quebec people, it's their governing bodies and the asinine laws they pass that I can't stand. oh, yeah...Eh!

Re:Choice fodder! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27455079)

As someone from Quebec. I cannot agree more.

Quebec laws about french are about segregation and creating two class of citizens.

To get my diploma, even if my native language is french, I had to go to an English school because my written french was not good enough.

That's right, the language laws have forced me to learn English to get a job, because my french was not good enough. Logical as hell.

Re:Choice fodder! (2, Interesting)

debile (812761) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455131)

As a quebecer, I was so fed up with this crap that I moved to BC.

Movies are better in their original language. I watch french movies in french and english movies in english.

Same for books.

Same for any technical profession where you have to talk to someone or learn cutting edge stuff not yet translated.

The french language is beautiful but not that useful and people fail to recognize it.

Re:Choice fodder! (5, Insightful)

HybridJeff (717521) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455121)

As a Canadian born in Quebec I would like to add a big fuck you to all the Quebecois language bigots who feel it should be their job to stomp all over the rights of Quebecers in the name of "protecting" their language. A language does not define a culture, people should be allowed to communicate in any manor of their choosing.

Re:Choice fodder! (5, Funny)

icannotthinkofaname (1480543) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455165)

people should be allowed to communicate in any manor of their choosing.

(1) That should be "manner", not "manor". Unless, of course, you meant that we should be able to communicate in any elite house of our choice. If that is the case, I apologize.

(2) If I ever meet you IRL, I will be sure to communicate only in gestures with ambiguous interpretations, because that is how I shall choose to communicate. :D

Re:Choice fodder! (0, Troll)

pete6677 (681676) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455123)

Quebec would be a nice place if only they'd get rid of the super-annoying Frenchies.

Sigh. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454679)

Link on page to original article:
http://www.thestar.com/article/611472 [thestar.com]

Date on original article:
Apr 01, 2009 04:30 AM

Move along, nothing to see.

Re:Sigh. (1)

Bieeanda (961632) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454729)

Right. Because a nationally syndicated newspaper is going to play April Fool's jokes.

Re:Sigh. (1)

Manatra (948767) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454751)

Nevermind the fact that Quebec has many laws like this for other industries.

Re:Sigh. (1)

motek (179836) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454785)

The Star is a joke every day of the year. Why April 1 should be any different?

Re:Sigh. (2, Informative)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454813)

Right. Because a nationally syndicated newspaper is going to play April Fool's jokes.

Right. Nothing like that would ever happen. [wikipedia.org]

That being said, I wouldn't put this past the Quebecois.

Re:Sigh. (4, Interesting)

Reed Solomon (897367) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454833)

If this was an april fools day joke, they did a good job of making it subtle. This sort of thing is par for the course for the Quebec government. Mostly with these laws and media ownership/controls Quebec sovereigntists want to create a closed society where people don't feel an affinity with the country of Canada. Which is working over time, as Quebeckers more and more make that claim. I've heard many soverigntist youth make that statement. "Oh I don't feel Canadian I feel I am a Quebecois" or whatever. Well of course you do. Your mind belongs to your society in that way. They're certainly entitled to feel that way, but its intellectually dishonest I believe to manage a society this way, especially when society as a whole is becoming more global, Plus, its all words. The first Canadians were essentially Quebeckers. Quebeckers not associating themselves as Canadians just because of the existence of the rest of Canada is like Canadians not calling themselves North Americans, because American's "ruined the term". And also, theres really no point in trying to stave it off. I mean, Japan today isn't the same as Japan 100 years ago, but they're still a unique culture. Ah well, the best thing for Canada would be if they really did separate. Then we could actually stop giving them money, and appeasing them at every turn. Plus we could get rid of "official bilinguism" which doesn't really accomplish anything but keep qualified individuals from getting jobs. You need to speak English and French to get a government job, but in Quebec English is shunned. It's the hypocrisy of political correctness really. It really is a shame as most Canadians, myself included, generally like Quebec and are happy for them to speak french and be part of the social fabric. But when they bitch and moan over and over, it's just ridiculous.

Re:Sigh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27455017)

Sadly, this is about par for the course for the kind of stuff Quebec tries to do, which makes it believable even despite the source and time frame. :P

Re:Sigh. (1)

smchris (464899) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455141)

Sounds like poisson d'avril because good humor should have a referent, and wasn't there a push in Quebec a few years ago to try to make Chinese restaurants use French signs?

French and France (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454689)

If the French language is so great, why does it need protection?

Re:French and France (5, Funny)

theheadlessrabbit (1022587) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454715)

If the French language is so great, why does it need protection?

because English people are physically incapable of chain smoking, drinking wine, being obnoxiously rude and highly insecure of their culture, all at the same time.

Re:French and France (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27455023)

Ah, our racist and xenophobic north americans red necks. Perhaps other languages have to be defended (and not only french, mind you) because you are so unable to learn any foreign language you want to decide for foreigners that they should rather speak english than their native language in their own country for your own convenience. And you are so insecure about your language that you get mad when there is any resistance about that. And i love to hear that kind of comment when i hear many americans yell about hispanos speaking spanish in the US.

NB: I live in the US, english is not my native language

Re:French and France (0, Troll)

malkir (1031750) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455067)

Business keeps english thriving, consider programming languages. Who the fuck wants to program in french? The language of unshaven women.

Re:French and France (1)

supernova_hq (1014429) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455071)

Don't forget staying thin!

To this day nobody knows how they can consume so much smoke, bread and wine and still be some of the thinnest people in the world!

Re:French and France (4, Insightful)

rve (4436) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455133)

Don't forget staying thin!

To this day nobody knows how they can consume so much smoke, bread and wine and still be some of the thinnest people in the world!

Preferring small portions of expensive food over affordable supersized meals

Re:French and France (2, Insightful)

drewtheman (1127999) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455199)

Because we're in the middle of 300 millions people speaking English. It's not only a language, it's a culture. And I can assure you that we have not many points in common with the rest of the north america.

All Your Base Belong To Us (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454693)

I hope this results in the most ridiculous translations possible.

Re:All Your Base Belong To Us (1)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454963)

Tout votre le base est appartenir a nous?

Re:All Your Base Belong To Us (1)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455025)

Toute votre base sont appartiennent a nous! (and that ARE belong)

many questions (1)

saiha (665337) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454697)

So let me get this straight, if there is a french version available then it is illegal to sell a non-french version? I've never been the Quebec but are their no foreign people who live there? People who may speak french but prefer to game in their own language?

Anyway, do they limit books too or is this some luddite/anti-video game thing?

Re:many questions (2, Interesting)

nicolas.kassis (875270) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454737)

Don't worry, many French Canadians think this protectionist stuff goes to far. While I can agree with multilingual signs and companies having multilingual staff. Video games and movies should be allowed to sell separate version in different language. Book do not have this restriction that I'm aware of.

Re:many questions (5, Insightful)

Feyr (449684) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454817)

im a french canadian, and if this law is true it only means i will not be buying any more games in local stores.

french version of games are usually nearly close to unplayable due to being badly translated and even when they're properly translated there is inevitably some key concepts that simply don't exist and have to be adapted.

plain and simple, it detracts from the game. nevermind the lumberjacks that refuse to speak english, i demand my games in their native language.

Re:many questions (2, Insightful)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455045)

As a fluent English speaker, I know exactly what you mean, but as a French French, well, there's few people whose English is good enough so that the original version becomes preferable to the French translation. Besides, that's games we're talking about, not Blackadder.

Re:many questions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454741)

do they limit books too or is this some luddite/anti-video game thing?

Books, signs, posters.. pretty much everything.

Re:many questions (2, Informative)

BrainInAJar (584756) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454759)

French culture and language was declining rapidly before the introduction of the language laws.

There's an Anglophone upper class in Quebec, and immigrants from non-English countries come in and generally want to learn English. That doesn't bode well for French so laws were introduced to attempt to encourage Francophone Quebequois from becoming Anglophone.

It's worked well enough that Latvia introduced similar laws to try to protect the Latvian language and culture from the massive influence of Russian after the Soviet Union fell apart

It's an anti anglophone/allophone thing (0, Flamebait)

Rix (54095) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454763)

Quebekers are incredibly racist and have a deep loathing for any language but their own.

Re:It's an anti anglophone/allophone thing (1)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455047)

Tell Lou Dobbs.

Re:many questions (2, Informative)

rob51 (128483) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454787)

There are some answers for you about the demographics here [wikipedia.org] (legislation bit is interesting).

The Charter of the French Language [wikipedia.org] is the law one people usually complain about (particularly when dealing with public signs). So, not a Luddite thing.

Re:many questions (1)

saiha (665337) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455253)

Thanks, I know that france has always had a hard stance towards language and it is interesting to see how that idea has propagated. I'm actually surprised how recent that legislation is, though if french was being replaced I can see why.

Ease of communication between cultures is good, but there is a lot of culture tied up in the words/language that we use that would be a shame to lose.

Re:many questions (3, Informative)

Bieeanda (961632) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454797)

If there is a French version, it's illegal to stock only the English version. The problem appears to be twofold:

First, if the game is scheduled to be released in both English and French, the stores have to wait until the French version is available. Retailers are worried that gamers will turn to imports if they can't get the hot new titles immediately after launch.

Second, this presupposes that there is an equal demand for games in French, to demand for games in English. The language police [wikipedia.org] can be right fucking bastards about enforcing this sort of thing, so retailers are worried about having to buy more stock than they can guarantee moving. Margins are already pretty thin, so that's a definite concern.

Re:many questions (2, Informative)

motek (179836) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454875)

I would start speculating on the luddite aspect (or on anything else) as soon, as the information is confirmed by a source more serious than an article dated April 1. I have checked local French language media (La Presse, Le Devoir and Radio-Canada) and found nothing.

Re:many questions (1)

Redlazer (786403) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454881)

Quebec does have language laws.

They do not allow businesses to have anything other than french as the dominant language on a sign, including regulations such as maxiumum ratio of size between the english and french that is on the sign.

Their laws are, to me, horribly unconstitutional - sadly their higher population prevents the rest of us from simply sending them into the ocean (intermediary land notwithstanding).

-Red

Re:many questions (1)

supernova_hq (1014429) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455083)

Dude.. In Quebec, if you post a sign, there not only needs to be a french part, but it most be MORE prominent than any other language. If the french part of the same prominence (or god forbid less), you get sighted by the "language police". No joke, that's what they're called...

With the new high capacity game disks (for most consoles at least), they simply need to include both languages on the disk.

Re:many questions (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455215)

Quebec has a real "short man" complex going on. So understand that most of the French speakers in Canada are in that province. That isn't to say there are none in other provinces, but it is a vastly unequal distribution. Most provinces French is a severely minority language. You get over to the west coast, and it seems like almost nobody speaks it. Also, Quebecois is looked down on by the actual French. It is seen as an inferior dialect of French.

Well this leads to a whole lot of silliness. Quebec has several times held a vote to leave Canada and become their own country, no idea how they think their economy would work buy hey. Also you find some "Francophones" who are really arrogant about language. They will speak ONLY in French, despite having fine English skills, and get mad if people won't respond in kind.

So this is just more silliness along these lines. The idea again is to try and force French on people. They want that not only should everyone in Canada speak French, but that it should be their primary language. That it'll never happen doesn't seem to have occurred to them.

fixed... (3, Funny)

theheadlessrabbit (1022587) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454707)

"This is a ridiculous rule, as game companies can simply arret creating French versions of games to bypass the restriction."

there, fixed that for you.

Most of these rules are. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454711)

Most rules about French in Canada are ridiculous. Government officials need to be bilingual regardless of capability of doing a job, for example. Firing a native French speaker from government is almost impossible, regardless of how badly they do at their job. And if people in government has what is deemed an inadequate level of french, the government pays for one-on-one french lessons INSTEAD of for doing your job, and instead of for french classes with other people learning it or instead of for a government billet in a french-speaking area where you can learn the language through immersion. Do you have any idea what that costs that taxpayer? Or how stupid it is?

Protecting cultural heritage is one thing, but this is even worse than political correctness run amuck, because it's groupthink feeding into this mentality that it's bigoted to be against these policies, even when they're ridiculously inefficient.

To make matters worse, I don't believe the requirements are nearly as bilingual in the other direction.

Re:Most of these rules are. (2, Insightful)

BrainInAJar (584756) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454781)

To make matters worse, I don't believe the requirements are nearly as bilingual in the other direction.

No, why would they be? English wasn't the declining language in the 60's. Nobody finds it more convenient to teach their kids French rather than English.

The whole idea behind the laws are that both cultures are intrinsically valuable and worth protecting. Except English culture and language doesn't need protection, it's doing quite fine on it's own

Re:Most of these rules are. (4, Informative)

vorpal22 (114901) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454953)

While I do agree that some of the Quebec language laws are a bit over the top and end up having stupid results, I feel like I must correct and question assertions made in your post in the following paragraph:

And if people in government has what is deemed an inadequate level of french, the government pays for one-on-one french lessons INSTEAD of for doing your job, and instead of for french classes with other people learning it or instead of for a government billet in a french-speaking area where you can learn the language through immersion.

Living in Ottawa, I have several government working friends who have been provided with government funded French language education (and paid for doing so), and none of them have had the privilege of one-on-one lessons: they all attended group-based French language classes, and they were required to pass in order to continue on in their roles.

I don't see how this is much different than your employer investing in job training, and I'm not opposed to it. Furthermore, the vast majority of this occurs in the Ottawa area, I'd suspect, and as most of the population here speaks French, you'd be hard pressed to find a much more immersive environment.

If anyone here is interested, here's an article written up about Quebec and their language laws: The Language Laws of Quebec [marianopolis.edu]

Re:Most of these rules are. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27455115)

Beyond a certain level (EX?), training is frequently one on one. It is different than training in most companies, as most companies train you for something your job requires. In many cases, especially in technology, the language is never used again. You do lose your position if you don't pass though. And no, it does not only apply in Ottawa, I occurs even in Alberta, BC, etc, where it is common that the only people who need the French services are the people providing the French services. And I believe it is incorrect that most people in Ottawa speak French. A large percentage, yes, but not a majority. Overall, It's ridiculous political meddling in the natural decline of a language and culture.

Re:Most of these rules are. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27455179)

If Quebec thinks that they are somehow special because they speak French, then they should just leave Canada and join France. I think our government should declare English (we DO have the ENGLISH Queen as our official head of state) as the official language of Canada, and if Quebec wants to flip us the bird, then they should be deported to France where they belong!

Ridiculous? (4, Insightful)

Bodrius (191265) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454745)

This is a ridiculous rule, as game companies can simply stop creating French versions of games to bypass the restriction.

Perhaps it is ridiculous, but not for that reason.

Which game company would stop creating *French* localizations of their games and lose the market in *France* (and any other French-speaking language) in order to get their english version into the Quebec market?

*That* would be ridiculous.

The populations are off by an order of magnitude. The whole point is that a game company may not think it is worth localizing to French *just for Quebec* - but if they localize for French-speaking market, this forces the two versions to play on level fields.

But if they're already localizing in French, why on earth would they kill their other markets just to prioritize this one? If Quebec per se had ever been a priority, they'd have been treating the French version on par with English from the beginning - which is what this rule tries (futilely) to force.

There are a thousand reasons why this legislation may be wrong-headed and is unlikely to have any positive effect - but this is argument is, indeed, ridiculous.

Re:Ridiculous? (1)

Feyr (449684) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454831)

nevermind that a france translation is so hilarous it makes any game a joke to begin with. try and picture playing Medal of Honor but with the voices having a deep Southern accent, now try to keep a straight face while doing so.

Re:Ridiculous? (2, Informative)

Rene S. Hollan (1943) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455147)

Er, Quebec French and the French spoken in France are separated by about 350 years of linguistic evolution.

Welcome to Canada (eh!) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454757)

Government example from 2006:

Needed an English translation of an article in Japanese. By law have to order a French translation along with English translation. French copy goes straight to the recycle bin.

Waste of taxpayer's money: $1500.

Merci Quebec!

Quebec knows that they can not leave Canada and join the U.S.A.: first language must be English, 2nd Spanish! (secret info revealed during last separation referendum)

Re:Welcome to Canada (eh!) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27455085)

Actually English is not the official language of the US. Though some Americans are scared that Spanish is going to replace English are are trying to pass laws are state level to make english the official language. I find that extremely savorous given the criticisms of the US towards any country trying to resist to the US cultural imperialism.

Re:Welcome to Canada (eh!) (1)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455151)

What the fuck do you mean by "savorous"? Is that a French word, Mr. Sangfroid?

Re:Welcome to Canada (eh!) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27455219)

Savoury. Mind you, English is not everyone's native language out there. And i seriously doubt it is a French word.

English only with French available? (2, Interesting)

Kral_Blbec (1201285) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454773)

Does this make sense to anyone? If it is english only, then it would seem to me that french is unavailable by definition.

Re:English only with French available? (1)

despisethesun (880261) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455019)

Read it again. Basically, retailers cannot stock only the English versions of games if there is also a French version available. If there is a French version, they have to either stock both, French alone, or none. The rule doesn't apply if there is no French version available. Since French versions of games tend to come out later than the English versions, this means those titles will have to be delayed in Quebec, forcing gamers to buy out of province and hurting retailers in Quebec for no good reason.

Good luck with that. (1)

Wellington Grey (942717) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454775)

Language enclaves generally don't last very long.

Stupide (1)

SemiOptimist (1524075) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454795)

L'annonce m'a sidere D:

EFIGS (4, Informative)

tylersoze (789256) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454851)

In my experience as a game developer for nearly 10 years who has worked for a few companies, I can tell you that every game I've ever worked on has always had at least EFIGS (English, French, Italian, German, Spanish) localization (with a French North American SKU). I really don't see this as being much of an issue for most decent sized game publishers.

The last part of game testing usually involves all sorts of fun localization issues and me winding up wishing every would just speak English after dealing with some weird Czech voice over bug or something. :) The Sims was probably the worst, I believe they did a localization for every language known to man.

Re:EFIGS (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454889)

Yeah, localizing Simlish must have been a bitch.

Re:EFIGS (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455249)

The problem is that it forces game retailers to stock games that they may not otherwise need to purchase, that they'll eventually need to sell at a loss if at all.

Come on y'all, speak American already (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454857)

promote and protect the French language

Heh, we'll let anyone speak English, any way they want. Make up new words, take words from other languages, whatever.

Maybe that is one reason why English is "winning".

I guess the other way to popularize French is to have French speakers spend gobs of money all over the world too. That might work, in time.

Re:Come on y'all, speak American already (2, Insightful)

theheadlessrabbit (1022587) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454969)

Heh, we'll let anyone speak English, any way they want. Make up new words, take words from other languages, whatever.

Maybe that is one reason why English is "winning".

I'm not able to come up with a car analogy to add to your post, I hope this will suffice:

English seems to follow a Wikipedia format, where anyone can contribute anything, and thanks to it's flexibility and openness, it grows and adapts at an astonishing pace.

French is more like a traditional Encyclopedia. All the prestige associated with it belongs to the past, and by the time a select few get around to updating it, those changes are already irrelevant.

Re:Come on y'all, speak American already (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455087)

Meanwhile Spanish continues to spread northward through North America, without any Government support at all. I wonder how long before English is battling Spanish in Quebec?

I'm ashamed (3, Interesting)

QuebecNerd (924754) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454865)

...There are some days when I'm ashamed to live in the province of Québec; not many but they do exist and today is one of those days...

For me, language is just a form of expression and has nothing to do with Nationality. Unfortunately, some of our leaders are so paranoid of being 'corrupted' by other cultures and loose their french 'identity' that they would go to any length to protect it. Most of them are too stupid to learn English and act like morons to hide their fears.

The Loi 101 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loi_101) with dictates this behavior is often mis-interpreted and goes too far.

A film is a form of art like music and is created in one and only one language. Subtitles can be put to help understand the dialogue but the original voice and emotions of the artist should be heard.

I mean for years; Arnold Schwarzenegger's voice has been dubbed by a guy who sells washers and dryers and picks lottery numbers on TV here in Québec. Talk about a mood killer. Fuck you Corbeil... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Corbeil)

Anyways, the same goes for music and to a lesser degree, to video games. Let the market regulate itself and let the game publisher decide if it is in their best interest to have a french version.

To regulate that is to go too far and intervene in private business matters.

Hit 1 for English (-1, Troll)

br00tus (528477) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454867)

People in Québec speak French. The only reason Québec is part of Canada is because they lost the Battle of the Plains of Abraham (as well as that England engaged in some divide et impera to keep Canada in its orbit).

Most of Canada is just an extension of the United States. Québec is one of the few gems in this vast wasteland of North America. Companies come in and try to push their products on the Québecois, and they don't even respect them enough to do it in their language. They want all of North America to be this lame, SUV-driving, English-speaking, mall, chain store, suburban sprawl polyglot of crap. I am glad the Québecois are resisting this.

Vive le Québec!

Vive le Québec libre!

Vive le FLQ!

Re:Hit 1 for English (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454921)

quebec is one of the biggest trash heaps in the world. as a montreal resident i say fuck you and speak english to my fellow quebeckers.

Re:Hit 1 for English (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454955)

Quebec racism is now part of /..

If you read the heading and the article it states that games cannot be sold in English if a French version exists. Would the French not buy the French version and the English buy the English version?

The hatred is so intense in some cases as can be seen by the street signs where there is a complete elimination of English. Considering this is in a country which espouses to be bilingual the amount of hatred shows through.

The French lost a war and signed the treaty of Paris. They gave up North America to the English. It's done already get over it. Protecting the French language does not require the elimination or the hatred that is present.

Re:Hit 1 for English (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454959)

ok thanks br00tus I won't have to write this post myself ;)

Re:Hit 1 for English (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27455013)

Quebec doesn't have malls, chain stores, or suburbs? Really?*

Personally I think if you consider Quebec one of the few gems of North America, you're a near-sighted bigot. But hey, that's just me and my appreciation for the wide variety of places and cultures in North America.

* That's English-Sarcastic for "Vous etes pleins de merde."

Re:Hit 1 for English (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27455031)

Quebec is one of the few gems in this vast wasteland of North America

You, and those with your outdated mentality, should take a reality check. Quebec could not survive without Canada. Quebec, for all its "gems", received $7.2 billion in equalization payments last year as a direct transfer from the rest of Canada (the most of ANY province, by a long shot).

I do not mean to say, by any stretch of the imagination, that I dislike Quebec. In fact, I love Quebec and most Quebecers. I just hate the minority of arrogant pricks like you that seem to think that calling yourself a nation, makes it so.

Shutup and get a real job / cause to fight about!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equalization_payments#Equalization_payments_in_Canada_.E2.80.93_2007-08

Re:Hit 1 for English (1)

malkir (1031750) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455109)

nice troll

Color Me Unsuprised (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454885)

I live in Alberta so my views are undoubtedly very biased, however Quebec has a knack for both shooting itself in the foot and whining.

I'm not sure how much of our politics get into the news, but Quebec receives an incredible amount of money from the rest of Canada because of its desire to keep its dying language alive (Seriously, are any languages other than English going to be anything more than a curiosity in 100 years? I can assure you that french wont).

Many years ago, Quebec had a strong and irrational separatist movement where they got the idea that they weren't sucking enough money out of our government (And even back then they were getting largest slice of the pie) and decided to vote to separate (It failed 49-51%).

Frankly, if they had separated their economy would collapse, their health care and employment insurance would be gone, their pensions finished and they would likely be forced to crawl back to Canada in a few months. They have nothing aside from some god given right to make absurd demands.

I admit it, I'm bitter. It feels like every year Quebec whines to parliament and grabs a pile of money from our province. I have nothing against being part of a country and support transfer payments to provinces that are less fortunate. I strongly believe in being a unified country but Quebec has an arrogance that never fails to anger me. They have the gall to consider themselves a separate part of Canada but won't hesitate to suck us dry.

Re:Color Me Unsuprised (1)

debile (812761) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455187)

Yeah Alberta you're so great. You have oil in your backyard and it gives you lots of money. Turns out we have water in ours. We'll see in 100 years if oil, if any is left and you didn't destroyed completely your environment is of any value. On the other side, you will be welcome to drink my water because we're a united country and even if we whine a lot, we do care of the rest of Canada (well... at leat 51% of its people!)

btw I lived in Calgary half a year for work. I know the place and the people. While I admire some of your traits, others or just as dump as ours.

France is the market for french games. (1, Insightful)

Jartan (219704) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454893)

It's not like game companies that make french games are suddenly going to stop over laws in a province with a population of 8 million.

The repercussions of this law seem tricky though. It sounds like multilingual versions have to be provided once a french version exists. Someone will have to pay for creating such versions since multilingual versions are uncommon in the industry. Most localization is paid for by local publishers.

It's easy to say the law is silly but at the same time I know I'd give a lot to see game companies be forced to release multilingual japanese/english versions in the US.

April Fools' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454897)

TFA at thestar.com, which the cnet one links to, was published April 1st. I'm pretty sure this is a lie.

OT: Logged-In Comment Layout And Coloration (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454901)

Today when I'm logged in and look at comments in articles, there's no indentation used to denote what level of reply it is (e.g., a reply to a reply being indented twice from the original). Also, the subject headers have a tweaked out short design with background coloring matching the section and the text messaging not matching it -- for this article it's blue text on a blue background, which is friggin' genius. The AC design right now is much better than what I get logged-in.

Is there some new setting that I have to apply? I went through all the prefs panels that I could find and saw no options that looked relevant (it'd be nice if there was a "put it back the way it was" checkbox). Thanks in advance for any help.

Son of biscuit eating bulldog! (1)

qpawn (1507885) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454907)

What the French, toast?

Hey Quebec! (1)

dark42 (1085797) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454909)

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

More F'ing Quebec (0, Flamebait)

fireheadca (853580) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454913)

Stop signs in quebec say 'Arret' instead of 'Stop' which is displayed in France. I am french descendant but hate the self-imposed decision to ignore the worlds decisions. Most Quebecors don't realize they are an abandoned colony. THIS IS WHY THE ENGLISH WON AGAINST QUEBEC. --- And apparently driving school is optional....

Re:More F'ing Quebec (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454979)

And apparently being insulting and xenophobic is not optional for you.

Re:More F'ing Quebec (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27455137)

which world decisions?

has there been some UN declaration about signage and traffic regulations that supersede local government?

what do the signs in France have to do with the signs in another country?

Wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454951)

Its just wrong that Quebec tries to "protect its F***** cilture from being contaminated" (Sorry, I refuse to utter foul language like the F word). You can't stop time. What they are trying to protect is the past. So just give it up, and quit trying to regulate free choice!

PS Quebec is the wasteland!

Made a start... (5, Funny)

GrahamCox (741991) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454983)

toutes vos base sont appartiennent à nous

Re:Made a start... (1)

PimpDawg (852099) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455175)

Je vois ce que vous avez fait la

Welcome to Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454987)

No really welcome to Canada, anyone living in Canada for any length of time can tell you this is nothing but common place. Every building sign in Quebec, the french part has to be bigger then the english part. This is really not that suprising.

Desperate measures (1)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#27454991)

Tabarnac, people less and less see the point of sticking to French when the rest of the continent ignores it royally! Maudis niaiseux d'anglophones! La la, let's get anal about forcing French everywhere, la!

What you say, forcing French translations of every English word from stop signs to podcasting ("baladodiffusion", can you believe that shit?) didn't help much?! Calice! Let's bribe Celine Dion back here, she's our only hope of achieving a seeming of cultural relevance!!

Re:Desperate measures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27455113)

I'll assume that your name being Michel you moved to Dublin from Quebec at some point. Funny all the same.

Re:Desperate measures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27455139)

They do whatever they want in their territory. Why does that upset you? On that note, have you started to learn Spanish?

non (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27454999)

Non is a prefix; it's a neutral way of saying no. When did this become a word?

no surprise here (1)

agwis (690872) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455021)

I'm not surprised about TFA but what I am surprised about is that anyone else in the world cares about this. This is just another stupid act by the 'language police' in Quebec to protect their *culture* and their *precious* language that us Canadians are used too dealing with on a regular basis. It's absolutely reverse discrimination because we'd never get away with pulling the opposite in the rest of Canada. Quebec gets away with it because they continuously threaten the rest of us with separation, spearheaded by the Bloc Quebecois if they don't get their way. The Bloc Quebecois is a federal political party whose sole ambition is to separate from Canada, and to add insult to injury they are supported by all of Canada's tax payers, for those that aren't aware. I've often wondered if anything similar to what we put up with here happens anywhere else on our wonderful planet. I suspect any such attempt elsewhere would be quelled fast and considered treason. Only in Canada eh, pity!

Back to my original point, anyone that wants to do business in Quebec is already aware of these intricacies or at the very least, not shocked when they pop up. Canada is officially a bilingual country and IMHO does more than its share to accommodate francophone's. Go to Quebec though, and it's like you've already entered another country. Reciprocity is not a factor here! I've travelled extensively throughout Quebec and God forbid you don't have a basic grasp of the French language for even simple things like reading construction, hazard, detour, etc. signs on the highway...because you don't get it repeated in English for you (excluding possibly the Montreal area, but not always). Quebec in many parts is downright hostile to Anglophones, especially if you want to conduct any type of business there.

I live in northern Ontario in a small community that is roughly 80% French. Here, they have it right. Signs are in both languages. If you speak English or French, you can get by fine and people are friendly no matter what language you are most comfortable in. There is no *protection* of one language over another here, and contrary to popular opinion, French is not dying out because of this.

One other thing; I noticed a previous comment suggested that not supporting Quebec was also alienating France. I have a very limited French vocabulary and am not certain about this but I believe the French dialect between Quebec and France is quite different. Supporting one does not implicitly mean you are supporting the other as I'm sure there would still need to be quite a bit more translation.

Obviously I can only speak for myself but I do believe my opinion is a popular one in Canada. I just wish Quebec would reign in their 'language police' and let the market dictate the feasibility of supporting French. If language and culture is so important for Quebecers, they can speak with their wallets.

Vive les jeux en franÃais! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27455059)

Bon dieu!

Re:Vive les jeux en franÃais! (1)

Meumeu (848638) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455173)

Et vive l'UTF8!

I have a complaint about the new page layout (1)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455107)

Blue text on a black background is extremely hard to read. I get these with the comment title and score.

Short sighted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27455235)

Here are politicians making decisions that will effect an entire industry. One basic facts about video game sales:
Most games have a life span measured in months. Most of the money generated from game sales come in in the first few months and then slows down.

What are game companies going to do if they create a French only version? How many packages of games are going to be shipped back to the manufacturer? What is the manufacturer going to do with copies of the games when sales slow? The end result: this will have the opposite effect on the game market for French speakers.

Protecting the French language is fine; but not at the expense of an industry. The gaming industry is there to make a profit not a loss and if you jeopardize it then the industry will do what is necessary to maintain profits. The game may ship with a French translation otherwise it won't be released due to the fact that millions of English copies will be shipped back to the creators of the game.

Hi, I speak French and I am sorry. (5, Interesting)

mclc (1524123) | more than 5 years ago | (#27455251)

Okay, I really don't know where to start. Hi, my name is mclc, I am a French canadian and I feel guilty because of where I am born, and because of my native language, which is French, and because my ancestors were conquered in the Plaines d'Abraham. I play mostly in English, by the way. I watch movies in their original language too. Ho yeah, movies are also under this law. And you know what? I can watch movies in English if I want. I have a contact for that. It's a very dangerous black market to be. By law, watching a movie in English is like buying drugs and hiring a hitman, but worse.

As some people said in a few comments, Quebec has a law to claim the right of French speaking people to be served, to work, live, dream and eat in French. Why you ask? BECAUSE YOU ARE 350 MILLIONS OF ENGLISH SPEAKING AMERICANS AND CANADIANS! Is that so hard to understand? Yeah, we lost a war, so what? We are 80% of French canadians in the province of Quebec. English speakers are protected by the federal laws saying that every service must be available in French and in English (this is applied in Quebec, New-Brunswick and Ontario, but mostly in Quebec as there is no other place in the country where you will really get service in both languages).

Now, because you all like separatists scandals, I will disapoint you. It is not forbidden to sell an English game. Understood? Here's the catch that the evil French speaking aliens set up : you will be forbidden to sell the game in English if, and only if the game is made elsewhere in French. This means that if France (by the way, you just cannot get a game in English in France, by law) does not have the game until a few months, we in Quebec will have the English only version until then. When France (and Quebec) finally gets the game in French, well guess what? The two versions will be available! Bilingual like movies, or books, or every service offered by the Government of Quebec (unlike all other province). Thank yooooouuuuu bilingual country! Naturally, a lot of games are now localized, which means have more than one language in the same CD.

Now, what do you do for us, Rest of Canada, except insulting every frog in Quebec? All I hear is the eternal speak white, only said differently (and usually some stuff about the English Canada who won the war). Live in the 21st century, people. Let us, minority in Canada, speak French as we let you, minority in Quebec speak English. We pass great laws that preserve French and does not affect English in any ways. We almost all know a little of English in Quebec, but hey, IT'S NOT OUR NATIVE LANGUAGE. You just cannot think as good in an other language than your own. For example, all this text was great in my head, and now I don't know where I'm going. But hey, just come in Quebec, speak English in any store and you will be gladly served. French people will switch to English automatically, speak an English sounding more like a wookie, but we will try. I think we deserve the same thing. And in our case, we are only 7 millions in a sea of 350 millions. It is for our protection.

Je vous aime quand même.
mclc
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