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MediaDefender Buys MediaSentry For $136,000 (Not $20M)

timothy posted about 5 years ago | from the sneaking-aboard dept.

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newtley writes "SafeNet paid $20 million for MediaSentry in 2005, but has just sold it to rival MediaDefender for a paltry $136,000, with a promise of more later. MediaSentry's new owner says the combination will allow it to 'dramatically expand its effectiveness.' Is it time for an official government inquiry into MediaSentry and the RIAA? A Chicago student said she was planning on killing herself because the RIAA promised her she'd land in court unless she paid almost $10,000 to 'settle' an alleged copyright infringement. She 'couldn't sleep, couldn't study, couldn't live a normal life because of the worry.' The RIAA 'evidence' came from MediaSentry, accused of operating illegally."

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The RIAA (4, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | about 5 years ago | (#27474243)

Are just a bunch of href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/technologynews/5105

Re:The RIAA (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27474421)

Id like to point ou tthat the meme doesn't quite work unless its midsenta href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/technologynews/5105

I think ... (3, Funny)

krou (1027572) | about 5 years ago | (#27474247)

... timothy failed the Turing Test because the script couldn't figure out there was a problem with the other story before posting this one.

Re:I think ... (4, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 5 years ago | (#27474291)

... timothy failed the Turing Test because the script couldn't figure out there was a problem with the other story before posting this one.

Its this glass bird which rocks forward and backward, pressing the Y key every time around. You know the one:

Vent reactor coolant [Y/N]:

Post next /. story [Y/N]:

Why? (-1, Flamebait)

koh (124962) | about 5 years ago | (#27474255)

Why kill yourself when you can flee the country? It's not like she's in jail or something. Talk about keeping things in perspective...

Re:Why? (5, Insightful)

setagllib (753300) | about 5 years ago | (#27474301)

Fleeing the country at that age and with those limited resources is worse than suicide. The countries where it's reasonably safe to flee to, even with money, are extradition countries, so she'll be right back in the US in time for summer. And a lot of those non-extradition countries are inhospitable to a poor teenager, so she'll just die or end up a meth-addicted prostitute.

This glowing orb of positivity brought to you by perspective.

Re:Why? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27474363)

What's wrong with being a meth-addicted prostitute???
At least she wouldn't get fucked by the MAFIAA.

Re:Why? (5, Informative)

Shakrai (717556) | about 5 years ago | (#27474417)

The countries where it's reasonably safe to flee to, even with money, are extradition countries, so she'll be right back in the US in time for summer

I think you've mistaken a civil action with a criminal one. There's no extradition process that I'm aware of for debt collection. A judgment is just a piece of paper. It would be up to RIAA to find a way to collect on it. Given that she's a student and probably has no assets, good luck with that....

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | about 5 years ago | (#27474585)

Exactly. The RIAA would have to track her down in the country she moved to and then get a court there to rule that she had to pay up. Good luck with that, though, because foreign courts are rather reluctant to involve themselves of civil matters that happened outside of their jurisdiction. In fact, they pretty much flat out refuse to.

For that matter, she could flee to Canada or Mexico.

Re:Why? (1)

Shakrai (717556) | about 5 years ago | (#27474779)

For that matter, she could flee to Canada or Mexico.

Or Florida. It worked for OJ and he actually had assets.....

Re:Why? (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | about 5 years ago | (#27474811)

True, but only in so far as they don't file a federal lawsuit. Whether they can get a federal court to hear the case depends on jurisdictional issues that you often need a lawyer to fish you through.

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

russotto (537200) | about 5 years ago | (#27475375)

Exactly. The RIAA would have to track her down in the country she moved to and then get a court there to rule that she had to pay up. Good luck with that, though, because foreign courts are rather reluctant to involve themselves of civil matters that happened outside of their jurisdiction. In fact, they pretty much flat out refuse to.

For that matter, she could flee to Canada or Mexico.

There's no need for any country-fleeing for someone without significant assets or income. Just pull a Bernie Goetz: do nothing. Let the RIAA obtain all the judgments they can. Declare bankruptcy (the BARF bill a few years ago made it harder, but someone with no assets and low income still has the option). Laugh at the RIAA.

There's also no point in threatening suicide. For students to threaten or even attempt and/or complete suicide over these cases is playing directly into the RIAAs hands; they're trying to frighten people into obeying them, and convincing people that the disobedience is worse than death by one's own hand is an effective motivator.

Re:Why? (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | about 5 years ago | (#27475447)

The difference being she can work in Canada or Mexico and still travel in and out of the United States, and the RIAA, no matter how many judgments they have, can't touch her income at all. Gotta love the sovereignty of foreign governments!

Re:Why? (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | about 5 years ago | (#27475637)

Unless you put a radical Islamic-style spin on the suicide, then you can say that you're becoming a martyr. Then the RIAA has a nasty PR mess on their hands.

Re:Why? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27475303)

I think you've mistaken a civil action with a criminal one.

And that is exactly the problem the RIAA has muddled up the fact so much that most individuals believe that they are going to get a SS storm trooper boot on their neck if they do not cooperate. I am amazed that the people have put up with these infringements on liberty, by the corporations and government for so long. I mean this stuff is just dumbfounding. Why kill yourself, kill them? If enough people have this mentality it's starts what they call a revolution and stops this kind of crap. If you are going to go out at least take some of them with you. I just can't understand having it all taken from you and then just saying, oh well I will take the shell of a life that they left and extinguish it. Screw that if you are that far gone and you have nothing to loose make them loose something.

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | about 5 years ago | (#27476903)

That's what I just can't grasp. Suing students.

What do you have here: Someone who is about 20, who already has racked up around 50k in debt for his tuition, and then you go an sue him for a bazillion (or just one tiny million if he wishes to settle out of court).

So you start your life with over a million down. What would you do? Know what I'd do? Wellfare. Yes, exactly. Work? Am I nuts? You won't get out of debt ever in your life, living the life of a minimum wage slave no matter how much you earn for the rest of your days. Why the heck should I try to pay a debt that was created basically by racketeering and extortion? Often enough without the defendent breaking any laws, his only crime being that he cannot stand up in court against the allegations.

I'm actually waiting for the first to ponder that his life is over anyway, so why not arm up and take a few of those with him that ended it.

Re:Why? (1)

koh (124962) | about 5 years ago | (#27474913)

And the countries in question would extradite someone because she downloaded some music? Seriously?

Re:Why? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 5 years ago | (#27476999)

It has become a criminal offense in some countries by now, being in the same book as assault, manslaughter and other real crimes.

I wouldn't rule it out.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27475679)

How would she be extradited for a civil matter? That just doesn't make sense.

Re:Why? (1)

ionix5891 (1228718) | about 5 years ago | (#27474303)

you cant escape the maffia that easily

Re:Why? (5, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | about 5 years ago | (#27474367)

Oh give me a break. They'd get a civil judgment. You don't even have to flee the country to escape those. It's called Chapter 7 [wikipedia.org] and it's the first thing I would do if I was a student facing a $10,000 judgment from RIAA. If she's like most students she probably doesn't have many assets and they are likely all be exempt. In other words she'd lose nothing but the bankruptcy filing fee and the time it took to appear at the hearing.

If that's all it takes to make her suicidal then she really needs to seek some outside help. In the grand game known as life she's going to face many challenges that are far more scary than a RIAA action. Better learn how to cope with them now.

Re:Why? (1)

mikesd81 (518581) | about 5 years ago | (#27474439)

Hmmmm. Wouldn't she have to file for bankruptcy AFTER the judgement? Or at least after some lawyer fees? I'm not sure how the court would see her filing for bankruptcy prior. Might be seen as a sign of guilt?

Re:Why? (1)

Shakrai (717556) | about 5 years ago | (#27474483)

Wouldn't she have to file for bankruptcy AFTER the judgement?

Yeah, so?

Re:Why? (1)

mikesd81 (518581) | about 5 years ago | (#27474501)

oh wait. I interpreted your comment wrong.

and it's the first thing I would do if I was a student facing a $10,000 judgment from RIAA.

I thought you meant before any court proceedings.

Re:Why? (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#27475327)

First off, $10000 is not that much. For a college grad, it's only two months pay. I'd just hand-over that amount and keep downloading. ----- A reason to flee judgment is if you DON'T pay the extortion letter, and instead land in court and get charged with millions of dollars (or jailtime). THAT'S a reason to flee.

Also, depending on circumstances, wouldn't it be easier to just track down the RIAA CEO and shoot him in the head? He's a tyrant who is abusing his power to extort/scare citizens. After all if you're going to spend time in jail, spend it for a worthwhile reason, not song theft. "What matter a few deaths in a century? From time to time the Tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration, founder of the Democratic Party.

Re:Why? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 5 years ago | (#27476961)

You make 5k a month after tax? Are you hiring?

And I like that Jefferson dude more and more. He made some compelling statements.

Re:Why? (0, Offtopic)

Zironic (1112127) | about 5 years ago | (#27474489)

She'd also lose all her liquid assets(if any) and she'd have a bad credit rating for the next 10 years. And 10k is the settlement, not the judgement.

Re:Why? (5, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | about 5 years ago | (#27474579)

She'd also lose all her liquid assets(if any)

Umm, no, she'd lose her non-exempt assets. I'm not familiar with the specifics in her state but in my state you can exempt up to $2,500 of cash, "tools of the trade", family heirlooms, an automobile worth less than $5,000, etc, etc, etc. The overwhelming majority of Chapter 7s are "no-asset" cases, meaning all of the assets of the debtor are exempt. How many students do you know that have large enough net worths to have to worry about having non-exempt assets?

and she'd have a bad credit rating for the next 10 years

There are worse things in life than a bad credit rating and you'd be surprised how quickly your credit rebounds after a bankruptcy. My bankruptcy was three years ago and my FICO score was 757 the last time I checked. I haven't run into any problems obtaining credit, even after the economy took a nosedive.

And 10k is the settlement, not the judgement.

So what? Let them get a judgment for more than that if they think they can. It will make the bankruptcy even easier to file.

Re:Why? (1)

Zironic (1112127) | about 5 years ago | (#27474605)

Shows how silly it is to sue someone with no assets, it seems in the specific case her parents agreed to pay the settlement though.

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | about 5 years ago | (#27474667)

That was their own damn stupidity. Why would you agree to pay a debt that can't be collected upon and which you have no legal obligation to pay?

Re:Why? (3, Interesting)

Zironic (1112127) | about 5 years ago | (#27474695)

The parents probably had the money but didn't have the legal knowledge and I suppose they didn't want their daughter to have to go through the court since she was so stressed out.

Re:Why? (3, Informative)

Shakrai (717556) | about 5 years ago | (#27474755)

One would think before you'd write a check for $10,000 you'd get some legal knowledge. A consultation with a lawyer would have been well advised. I'd repeat my earlier bit about her needing to seek some professional help too. If a civil lawsuit is all it takes to make her suicidal then she has serious issues and needs to seek treatment.

Re:Why? (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#27475391)

Stop and think about where we are, and what caused it.

"The parents spent $10000 without consulting a lawyer" is symptomatic of a much larger problem. Americans are (in general) careless with money and spend it frivolously without doing any prior research. There's no reason to expect this girl's parents to act any differently from how their society taught them to act. Spend, spend, spend, and don't stop and think. (Or read a $800 billion spending bill.)

Re:Why? (1)

whoever57 (658626) | about 5 years ago | (#27476639)

One would think before you'd write a check for $10,000 you'd get some legal knowledge. A consultation with a lawyer would have been well advised.

IMHO, they would get a bunch of "maybe"s, "might"s, "possibly"s and other vague statements from a lawyer. So now they have to pay the lawyer without having any hard advice on how to proceed.

Re:Why? (1)

Shakrai (717556) | about 5 years ago | (#27476713)

Umm, any lawyer worth his salt would have just told the girl to file bankruptcy and the parents not to pay. Clearly you've had a bad experience with an attorney in the past but the few times in my life I've had to pay for one (including being wrongfully accused of a crime) it was worth every penny.

Re:Why? (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | about 5 years ago | (#27474853)

Wait, there's a filing fee for bankruptcy?

That's like having an all-you-can-eat buffet at fat camp.

Re:Why? (1)

I'm not really here (1304615) | about 5 years ago | (#27475715)

Meh... just put the filing fee on your credit card and then include the credit card under the bankruptcy filing. That's, of course, assuming you have a credit card with any balance left.

Re:Why? (5, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | about 5 years ago | (#27474307)

Why kill yourself when you can flee the country? It's not like she's in jail or something. Talk about keeping things in perspective...

And more to the point why just kill yourself when you could wait until the court case and take out a couple or RIAA lawyers too. Note: This is not legal advice!

Re:Why? (1)

galorin (837773) | about 5 years ago | (#27474669)

and this got modded informative?

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#27475455)

Being sentenced to pay-off ~10 million dollars in RIAA damages is equivalent to a life sentence because you are working, not for yourself, but as RIAA's wage slave. So if you've decided not to be a lifelong slave, but instead to go-out in the blaze of glory, might as well take the CEO and board of directors with you.

Re:Why? (2, Informative)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 5 years ago | (#27474689)

They have tight security at most court houses to prevent things like this. Find the identities of the RIAA lawyers before the court date, stalk them to their homes, and then 'deal' with them (and their pets). The insanity and paranoia caused by the case could be a defense.

Re:Why? (0, Redundant)

MadKeithV (102058) | about 5 years ago | (#27474881)

Note: This is not legal advice!

No, it's actually good advice!


(I'm KIDDING!!! DON'T DO THIS AT HOME! OR IN COURT!)

Re:Why? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27474313)

Yeah, flee the country. Nice advice, from someone that can't even flee their parent's basement.

Re:Why? (5, Interesting)

Shnyzx (786435) | about 5 years ago | (#27474347)

You flee the country when the Government is out to get you, you seek the government's help when somebody is trying to BLACKMAIL you. (and with shoddy evidence at best)

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27474495)

So in this case it's obvious. Flee the country.

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

MadKeithV (102058) | about 5 years ago | (#27474899)

You flee the country where somebody is trying to blackmail you with the full support of the government.

Re:Why? (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#27475497)

I thought we were discussing the U.S., not the UK, France, or China.

Re:Why? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 5 years ago | (#27477077)

Given how much China cares about patents and copyright, this might actually be the place to go. After all you just copied someone else's idea, you didn't try to think for yourself. Not really a crime in their books IIRC.

Or flee to Cuba. PR reasons alone could give you a warm welcome there.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27474393)

Because this is going to happen everywhere.

1. Corporations are soulless entities devoted only to profit, that's not because I'm an unamerican commie or whatever but it's the way the world works.
2. Politicians are puppets controlled by corporations. Obama included, sadly.
3. Politicians make laws to please whoever will keep them firmly bound to their chair (common people? Yeah, sure).

Now, please connect the points before flaming.

If you're lucky enough to find a place in the world where the local leader doesn't get in bed with the rich, please drop a note here. I won't hold my breath though, as you won't find one.

Re:Why? (4, Insightful)

Thorwak (836943) | about 5 years ago | (#27474461)

Could be a million reasons. Maybe she is suffering from panic anxiety for instance (maybe the extra stress actually triggered latent illness). When you can barely get out of bed killing yourself can probably look like a good deal compared to moving to a foreign country.

Re:Why? (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#27475585)

>>>When you can barely get out of bed killing yourself can probably look like a good deal

Yes. I thought about killing myself a few years ago, mainly because I was sick of the "loneliness" of engineering. Go to work, type code all day, go home to an empty hotel room with nothing to keep me company except a television that barely got 3 channels, and 50 kbit/s dialup bittorrent. I eventually decided a miserable life is better than no life, especially when you're getting paid $55/hour, and so I'm still here.

Meanwhile a friend of mine, living 1000 miles away, was apparently having the same debate. He decided a hanging was better than being a website developer, and now he's buried underground.

So yeah I can understand the mentality.

Re:Why? (-1, Flamebait)

furby076 (1461805) | about 5 years ago | (#27474535)

Why kill yourself when you can flee the country? It's not like she's in jail or something. Talk about keeping things in perspective...

Threatening to kill yourself is sometimes done to get the other side to back down. "Look the evil corporation driving someone to try and comitt suicide". When real suicide wannabes don't brag about it. I knew someone (worked for same company) who embezzaled from a bank. When he got caught he threatened to kill himself. THe bank went from pressing charges/jailtime/law suit to just firing him and letting him keep all the goodies he got. Hopefully, in this case, the RIAA will not back down and we can see if the girl bluffed or not.

Re:Why? (2, Informative)

Zironic (1112127) | about 5 years ago | (#27474627)

If you had RTFA you would have gotten the fun news that her parents paid the settlement so her threat was never really serious.

Re:Why? (0, Offtopic)

mewshi_nya (1394329) | about 5 years ago | (#27474901)

Oh fuck off. Asshole. You act like you know so much about suicide.

Just because she told people she was going to doesn't mean she wasn't serious.

Re:Why? (4, Interesting)

DrgnDancer (137700) | about 5 years ago | (#27475053)

If you'd ever taken a suicide prevention class (ah, the fun things you get to do in the military), you'd know that most people who either attempt or commit suicide told someone they were going to. Very few people wake up one morning, decide the world is a bleak place and off themselves without a word. Whether or not the suicide attempt itself is a cry for help, or the result of a legitimate desire to end one's life, most people DO "cry for help" before they ever do it. We're hardwired not to want to die, and even when our conscious mind decides it wants to we usually try to find loopholes.

Obama administration refuses TARP repayment... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27474539)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123879833094588163.html [wsj.com]

Seriously, who didn't think that the plan all along was for the gov't to seize control of the financial sector and dictate wages? The writing's on the wall, folks. Liberty is almost dead.

Re:Why? (5, Insightful)

beadfulthings (975812) | about 5 years ago | (#27474645)

I suspect she's young, struggling in any case, and inexperienced in legal matters. The RIAA tactics are fearsome, and they're deliberately calculated to induce the state of mind she's in now. They've evoked the kinds of feelings of helplessness or hopelessness that can lead to suicidal thoughts in vulnerable people. It's to be hoped that she's able to secure some kind of counseling (or legal counsel) to put the situation into perspective. If you look back, you don't see the RIAA attacking well-established, well-heeled middle aged people. They go after the young, the inexperienced, the poor, the elderly, and the sick--just the sorts of people who are vulnerable. They'd probably be delighted by a suicide. It would scare a few more victims.

Re:Why? (1)

russotto (537200) | about 5 years ago | (#27475405)

If you look back, you don't see the RIAA attacking well-established, well-heeled middle aged people.

Of course not. Well established, well heeled middle aged people don't bother to obtain music illegally.

They download movies instead.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27475693)

Well established, well heeled middle aged people don't bother to obtain music illegally.

They download movies instead.

... and usually ones with ribald puns in the title and featuring actresses who weren't hired for their acting skills ...

Re:Why? (2, Interesting)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#27475661)

>>>deliberately calculated to induce the state of mind she's in now...They'd probably be delighted by a suicide.

You know, I don't wish death on anyone but if this girl had killed herself, maybe RIAA would be sitting in court for third-degree conspiracy to manslaughter (or whatever the legal term is). After all, a neighbor got jailtime for using chat to induce a girl to commit suicide. RIAA v. U.S. - that's a murder case I would love to see. It'd probably get great ratings too on the news channels.

Let's reveal, for everyone to see, how dangerous corporations can be when they use the government to abuse the citizens.

Re:Why? (1)

Zironic (1112127) | about 5 years ago | (#27475755)

If you remember they couldn't get that person for murder so they charged her for some computer related crime related to breaking the myspace ToS.

Re:Why? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 5 years ago | (#27477115)

The young, the elderly, the sick... sounds like a predator picking his prey.

The RIAA prey on their target audience. What happens to a predator when the prey goes extinct?

Two entirely different things (1)

gsslay (807818) | about 5 years ago | (#27474869)

I think you are confusing two entirely different things;

1/ Killing yourself. Generally a bad thing. Messy and definitely adversely affects your lifestyle and ability to pursue happiness.

2/ Saying you're going to kill yourself. Gets you attention and sympathy without tying yourself to any future obligations or inconveniences. Tends to get old if used to excess though.

This Chicago student has a healthy understanding of the difference between the two. Although she did chicken out by saying she was planning, past tense. Real hard-core usage would make it clear that it was still very much an option.

The Old Switcheroo? (4, Interesting)

ZzzzSleep (606571) | about 5 years ago | (#27474345)

Will this allow the RIAA to say "MediaSentry? No we don't use them any more. We use the much more trutsed MediaDefender these days."?

Re:The Old Switcheroo? (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 5 years ago | (#27475359)

Followed by:

- MediaGuard
- MediaWarden
- MediaShield
- MediaSentinel
- MediaWatchdog
- MediaChaperone
- MediaBulwark

And, finally, MediaAegis; point at which they'll get the extremely hard achievement: "Name your company as all Final Fantasy protection spells" totally pwning Bahamut Engineers Inc.

Re:The Old Switcheroo? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 5 years ago | (#27476759)

Let me assure you that this is not one of those shady pyramid schemes you've been hearing about. No sir. Our model is the trapezoid...

Re:The Old Switcheroo? (1)

ultranova (717540) | about 5 years ago | (#27476851)

Let me assure you that this is not one of those shady pyramid schemes you've been hearing about. No sir. Our model is the trapezoid...

Now now, let's not make false accusations. MediaWhatever and the RIAA aren't fraudsters. They're extortionists. There's a difference.

You're Hoping for a lot more Change... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27474433)

... than is within reason if you're waiting for a government investigation of the record companies and/or their cronies. The party of Hollywood is in charge of the government, and the RIAA/MPAA are all paid up in their contributions.

Re:You're Hoping for a lot more Change... (5, Insightful)

zappepcs (820751) | about 5 years ago | (#27474785)

Owning a portfolio of Senators, Federal Judges, and misc. Whitehouse staffers is not "paid up" in any sense of the words, unless of course you'd like to say that the Democrats or Republican are 'paid up' on their contributions. They say the only good way to rob a bank is to own one. It looks as though this is part of the **AA's new business model - buy the bank, then steal it blind rather than just rob the customers as they come in to deposit their paychecks.

By owning a large enough part of the Federal government, the **AA is able to convince the rest of government that they need international copyright trade agreements that are sealed due to national security. If there really were something we could call the "mark of the beast" I'm willing to bet that it has the **AA members logos displayed aesthetically beneath it.

I'm of a mind to say that even if this girl did share audio files, there is no morality system in the world that is recognized under any name other than evil that justifies how the **AA are treating their own customers, grandkids, mothers, grandparents etc. To paraphrase Mr Gump, "fucking assholes do as fucking assholes do" and no amount of apologetizing will get them a reputation better than that of pond scum.

Re:You're Hoping for a lot more Change... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27475519)

"stupid is as stupid does" -> "fucking assholes are as fucking assholes do"

fixed that for you?

Re:You're Hoping for a lot more Change... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27477197)

Stop insulting pond scum... pond scum doesn't deserve to be labeled like that!

I welcome this merger wholeheartedly (4, Interesting)

Trepidity (597) | about 5 years ago | (#27474571)

I always end up confusing them, so I'll ascribe something to MediaSentry only to be corrected that no, the company involved was MediaDefender, or vice versa. Every time I wanted to complain to my alma mater [hmc.edu] about Randy Saaf being on their board of trustees (fortunately no longer the case [hmc.edu]), I had to go look up which of the two he was associated with.

So, I would like to thank the companies for kindly removing this frequent source of error.

Good grief!!! (1)

erroneus (253617) | about 5 years ago | (#27474631)

When will people just give up and find new ways to entertain themselves? By this time, who hasn't heard of what the RIAA is doing?

Apparently, a lot of people I suppose. With every attempt to expose what the RIAA is doing, the RIAA attempts to keep it quiet. Perhaps Southpark needs to revisit the issue.

Re:Good grief!!! (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#27475079)

>>>When will people just give up and find new ways to entertain themselves?

Books are cheap. Just 1 cent on amazon if you buy used. Radio is totally free if you can put-up with the ads, and ditto television if you invest in an antenna, or buy the DVDs which are just $1 an episode. As for movies - well most are )))) anyway, so don't bother. Boycott Hollyweird.

Re:Good grief!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27476945)

well, guys, as long as you have a hand in your pants you should be entertained... and ladies can play with themselves too.

Also, 1 dollar an episode?

House DVD's are like 50 bucks - comes out to be 2 or 3 dollars or more depending on series.

Kill yourselves over 10k? (3, Funny)

tjstork (137384) | about 5 years ago | (#27474781)

The girl needs to get a grip. Just wait till she gets older, screws up, buys a house bigger than she can afford, runs up 30k in credit cards that gets ramped up to 100k because the overlimit charges are just enough to wipe payments out, bringing on more overlimit charges... sooner or later, you learn to just pay what you can, unplug the phone, and move on with life.

bernie madoff, role model? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27474879)

is that what you're suggesting?

Re:Kill yourselves over 10k? (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#27475175)

>>>sooner or later, you learn to just pay what you can

I blame the parents for not teaching the girl that lesson earlier. ("I want a toy." "No." "I wanna toy!" (slap) "Shut up!")* It's called self-sacrifice and learning to satisfied with what you have, instead of what you want. Of course the reason the parents didn't know they were supposed to teach that lesson is because the grandparents failed to teach basic child-rearing skills, preferring to embrace a "live free" philosophy of non-responsibility. Basically, it's all the hippies/baby boomers fault. ;-)

*
* South Park reference

Sticking up for the kids... (1)

tjstork (137384) | about 5 years ago | (#27476733)

The funny thing is, as spoiled and weak is this new generation supposedly is, they have been one of the best military generations this country has had. They seem to have held unit cohesion and pretty much won a counter-insurgency in Iraq, all the while at a tempo and rate of enemy contact that is pretty far above that of many other wars.

Re:Kill yourselves over 10k? (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 5 years ago | (#27475505)

sooner or later, you learn to just pay what you can, unplug the phone, and move on with life...

...in Venezuela.

Re:Kill yourselves over 10k? (1)

tjstork (137384) | about 5 years ago | (#27476777)

No, actually, the good old USA. The big dirty secret of credit cards is that, there's really not a whole lot that banks can really do to you. You have all the leverage with them. You have their money, and what can they do? Take back 20,000 cigarette butts, reclaim 2000 gallons of gasoline, or somehow auction off empty mcdonald's cartons? They might get one of those TGI-Friday's ceramic onion ring dip holders, but that's about it. When a bank gives you a credit card, despite all their harassment, phone calls, everything else, you are holding all the cards, you have all the power, not they. The debt is -unsecured-.

Re:Kill yourselves over 10k? (2, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | about 5 years ago | (#27476809)

The girl needs to get a grip. Just wait till she gets older, screws up, buys a house bigger than she can afford, runs up 30k in credit cards that gets ramped up to 100k because the overlimit charges are just enough to wipe payments out, bringing on more overlimit charges... ...and then she finally has a REAL reason to kill herself, or what do you want to tell us?

Just because some people are in the doo deeply enough that an archeological dig wouldn't find them doesn't mean that I should be happy when I only got it up past my nose.

And the receipt read thus: (3, Funny)

Zerth (26112) | about 5 years ago | (#27474801)

Facilities, Equipment, Data: $20,000,000
Goodwill: -$19,000,000
"Losing" the email server: -$864,000
---
Balance: $136,000

Not that there is much of their email we haven't already seen.

IANASA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27474939)

I am not a stock analyst, but I wonder what effect this will have on the share price of Safenet. Are they smart guys making a really clever acquisition, or are they idiots that are buying a bunch legal headaches and poor publicity. Companies often get to put a value on their goodwill. When you buy a nasty company do you loose your goodwill?

She 'couldn't sleep, couldn't study, couldn't live (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27475077)

I guess if I committed a crime (even a crime that the slashdot community thinks should *not* be a crime) and was being sued for it, I'd expect to have trouble sleeping, studying and living.
Flame away, but there is one point you cannot make: That she did not steal.
Maybe it should be legal, but it isn't, she knew it, she did it anyway.

Re:She 'couldn't sleep, couldn't study, couldn't l (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27475559)

Yeah, so the next time your Congress passes a law which mandates you to suck the rich people's dicks, you'll do it. Because, you know, it's the law.

On killing yourself (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | about 5 years ago | (#27476543)

This highlights that downloading media does have this potential consequence.

While it's sad that this student feels this way, and I've done the same activities myself, anyone considering taking up p2p should consider the small risk of being put under this much pressure to the point that you feel like committing suicide.

I have sympathy for this anonymous student for feeling like killing herself- but you are responsible for your actions and their consequences. It would be different if this was one of the many, many people who a) were dead, b) didn't have computers, c) were under 8 years old, etc. that RIAA has sued over the years (I mean seriously- how could they screw up so badly so many times-- I have to think it is because they were clueless about technology and also that they hired idiots who talked a good show).

I think most agree the artists deserve some compensation. I think most know there are legal ways you can get free songs. And there are numerous safe illegal ways you can get free/extremely inexpensive songs if you are poor (for example, if 15 of you band together, your cost per song is about 10 cents and the artists get some money). (yea-- I do condone poor people taking advantage of the system to have a little pleasure- I think the wealthy rip off everyone to the point that it is justified).

I personally think the cost for songs is way too high and reflects the reality of 1959, not 2009.

Artists do not deserve to be paid forever less one day (I think 28 years is plenty).
So resisting the greedy bastards at RIAA is warranted.

But ghandi knew he would be punished and accepted his punishment. If you p2p songs and you are dumb (most likely) or unlucky (shit happens) then suck it up. No wimps in the paint. If you do commit suicide, go somewhere and make it count. Call the media and off yourself at a music headquarters. Don't just die as an anonymous statistic.

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