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EVE Online Developers Help Player Make Fan Movie

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the somebody-forgot-to-collect-their-souls dept.

PC Games (Games) 56

Enfors writes "CCP, developers of the sci-fi MMOG EVE Online, continue to impress with their open attitude towards players. In a thread on the EVE forums, an EVE Online player named Dire Lauthris describes difficulties he was having while making a fan movie that would illustrate a portion of EVE Online's background story. To make it 'historically correct,' he contacted CCP, the developers, to check on some facts. Instead of threatening to sue him for infringing on their intellectual property, they ended up inviting him to their offices to set him up with better movie-making software than the one he was using. Also, they had an employee record the narrator voice for his movie. The movie is now finished and available online. Massively is running a related article about storytelling in EVE."

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Nice of the devs to do that but... (-1, Offtopic)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 5 years ago | (#27472823)

... I'd really like it of gamers/customers had the ability to take back rights of abandonware or games and
properties that are just being sat on, and also have their rights expanded as investors/co-owners in some capacity because right now the indivduals rights are being abused willy nilly.

I would have loved to see what would have happened to the fan made chrono trigger resurrection if Square had not threatened them:

http://www.opcoder.com/projects/chrono/ [opcoder.com]

Re:Nice of the devs to do that but... (2, Informative)

IKnwThePiecesFt (693955) | more than 5 years ago | (#27472841)

My guess (and I thought it was commonly believed) that the reason Square did that was because they were already making their own remake for the DS and they didn't want sales cannibalized.

Whether that's the real reason or not, I'd say that's a bad example of properties that are just being sat on, since well... it wasn't.

Re:Nice of the devs to do that but... (1)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 5 years ago | (#27472935)

what in the world does that have to do with a game that is still being played? Do you know something about Eve Online that CCP Games doesn't?

Re:Nice of the devs to do that but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27472953)

Every time I see the arguments for abandonware, I think, these are the same people who would bitch about a franchise being milked like Guitar hero. They can either leave a property alone, developed as fully as they did, or they can go back and exploit it. They have elected to leave it alone. They've got a right to their IP, fanmade or not, those folks should have asked permission beforehand. Who knows, maybe it may have turned out differently.

Re:Nice of the devs to do that but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27474481)

You're assuming that the company or main publisher still exists and didn't go bankrupt pulling the game into a copyright blackhole where no one knows who owns it, and so no one can buy the rights to release it.

Re:Nice of the devs to do that but... (1)

khellendros1984 (792761) | more than 5 years ago | (#27480445)

"These are the same people"

Not necessarily. Unless you think that the smallest grouping of people is "gamers", instead of differentiating between "gamers with a nostalgic streak" or "gamers who want something new and exciting".

Re:Nice of the devs to do that but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27474051)

Take back rights? What rights? Gamers have the right to play their legally bought games, but they never had the right to use a game developer's IP for their own purposes. "Abandonware" doesn't exist. It's a term that was invented by game pirates in an attempt to justify their illegal activities.

Square had every right and an obligation to defend their property. Are the people behind Chrono Resurrection so devoid of creativity and imagination that they can't simply take what work they have done and alter it to make a similar, though unaffiliated game?

Re:Nice of the devs to do that but... (2, Insightful)

Devout_IPUite (1284636) | more than 5 years ago | (#27474479)

Abandonware does exist. It's not relevant to this discussion though.

Various games and books go out of print. Sometimes they become difficult to find or expensive. Is the original publisher harmed if I pirate it instead of buying it for a lot of money? Probably not.

Then again, most IP is a load of BS IMHO. Would the world be a worse place if anyone could make a chrono trigger sequel? Probably not. Consumers would get used to looking for the original brand names if they cared about authentic.

Re:Nice of the devs to do that but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27479121)

It's as was said, "abandonware" helps you to justify stealing. Whether that stealing hurts the creator of the work is irrelevant. The fact that you are breaking the law and trampling someone's rights is all that matters. So no, abandonware doesn't exist outside of the pirate's mind. Besides, who the hell are you to decide whether or not theft hurts the victim?

If Square allows one person/group to get away with making a Chrono Trigger game, then that sets a precedent which will make it easier for someone else to do the same, including another company. In effect, by not taking any action against projects like Chrono Resurrection, Square would be relinquishing their rights and control over that franchise.

Re:Nice of the devs to do that but... (1)

pugugly (152978) | more than 5 years ago | (#27481107)

I'm not quite finding where 'abandonware' entered the conversation, but saying acceptance of the term is simply to 'justify stealing' presumes that there is neither
A) a situation in which the law is fundamentally wrong, nor
B) a situation in which the law, while right on the fundamentals, fails to address practical issues.

For instance, in the United States, Copyright and Patent law is expressly grounded in the proposition that the law was created, not out of some obligation to the creators, but out of an awareness that the materials created tend to enrich and benefit society, sufficient to make those protections worth having.

So, by definition, any legal protection of such materials which (arguably) does not tend to enrich or benefit society, is open to debate about whether the law is flawed in so protecting said materials.

If you disagree, and honestly feel that withholding copyrighted materials from society simply because they are not being published at the moment somehow benefits society, then you have a legitimate counter-argument. But ignoring the constitutional basis for saying that 'abandonware' exists as a gray area in which a straight legal interpretation of the law misses the mark in favor of calling anyone that agrees with it thieves, is not such an argument.

Pug

Future of movies (1)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 5 years ago | (#27472861)

Can't wait until I can make a decent movie using nothing but Second Life / Eve Online characters, or even better... when someone with actual creativity can. This is my favorite machinima yet... by far. http://www.vimeo.com/609147 [vimeo.com]

We're getting there!

Re:Future of movies (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27473071)

What is interesting is that I thought that machinima was a giant piece of shit.

Re:Future of movies (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27473777)

No, your opinion was never interesting.

Re:Future of movies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27473965)

Neither was mine.

Re:Future of movies (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 5 years ago | (#27474493)

There are already some memes in this form. Pieces of history ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNJRfSZBU [youtube.com]
Leeeeeeroy !

Re:Future of movies (1)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 5 years ago | (#27474749)

LOL. Sometimes I just love asshats...

Not bad (3, Interesting)

Walkingshark (711886) | more than 5 years ago | (#27472911)

Pretty cool. Someday I'd like to see an entire movie done in machinima that uses different games depending on the scenes. Something with space battles filmed in EVE, ground battles in an RTS, and then some close up action and everything else using an FPS engine (source is pretty good for machinima). Would be neat.

Re:Not bad (5, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 5 years ago | (#27472989)

Someday I'd like to see an entire movie done in machinima that uses different games depending on the scenes [...]

space battles filmed in EVE, ground battles in an RTS, and then some close up action and everything else using an FPS engine

So, we're talking about a love story, right?

Re:Not bad (1)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 5 years ago | (#27475457)

So, we're talking about a love story, right?

No, then you'd use a third-person shooter/racer engine for the close-ups...

Re:Not bad (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27473203)

It's already been done in EVE.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=783871

Re:Mod Parent Up (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | more than 5 years ago | (#27473839)

It's already been done in EVE.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=783871

While the video linked in the story is very good, Clear Skies (linked in parent) is an awesome experience. Changed how I think about machinima.

Re:Not bad (1)

Walkingshark (711886) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477453)

Brilliant, thanks.

Re:Not bad (2, Funny)

g0at (135364) | more than 5 years ago | (#27474449)

space battles filmed in EVE

Heh, "filmed".

b

Re:Not bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477223)

Man, you sound like a retard. Honestly, that is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. And I heard your mom talking about wanting to get pregnant before you were born.

Re:Not bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27499871)

A team did..

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=783871

It recently won best long format machinima at
http://festival.machinima.org/wordpress/?p=102

Wait... what... I 'm confused (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 5 years ago | (#27472981)

So like some people on planet A may or may not have bombed something on Planet B. People planet B build a fleet and go to kick the ass of Planet A. Planet A is caught by ?suprise? but sneaks out a remnant fleet to go kick planet B's ass? But they fail. So they crash their ship into Planet B killing millions of civilians and ?helping people back on Planet A somehow escape?"

I don't get it. What happened in this movie? I give it a C- for clarity.

Re:Wait... what... I 'm confused (2, Informative)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 5 years ago | (#27473057)

You are not their intended audience. At minimum, you need to have visited CCP's website once, and preferably tried the game.

Re:Wait... what... I 'm confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27473299)

From the article: The Breakout [eveonline.com] is the story on which this machinima is based.

The stories in EVE Chronicles are one of the things which sparked my interest in the game.

Re:Wait... what... I 'm confused (1)

zerocool^ (112121) | more than 5 years ago | (#27476871)

If you're interested in some fiction that's not quite so fanboy specific, you might want to check out http://eve.klaki.net/fiction/ [klaki.net] which is a collection of stories written by Istvaan Shogaatsu set in the Eve universe. You might remember Istvaan better as the perpetrator of the Eve Heist that was covered in PCGamer [computeran...ogames.com] as well as here on Slashdot. ( http://eve.klaki.net/heist/ [klaki.net] )

Istvaan is also Tom Czerniawski, who has had several stories published in the Eve magazine EON. On the article linked at Massively, there's a picture of the front cover of a story he's written.

/guiding hand social club operative

Re:Wait... what... I 'm confused (1)

ThePsion5 (1037256) | more than 5 years ago | (#27482553)

To Summarize:
  • The Gallenteans and the Caldari are two civilizations that don't much like each other
  • Caldari extremists commit an act of terrorism that killed hundreds of thousand of Gallenteans
  • The Gallenteans declare war on the Caldari and begin bombarding their home planet
  • An admiral takes a small taskforce and launches a counter-offensive that takes the Gallente by surprise
  • Caldari are given much-needed time to evacuate their home planet as a result
  • The Admiral is eventually caught and sacrifices his flagship, killing several thousand Gallente civilians

Any Questions?

Me! Me! (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 5 years ago | (#27473005)

I wonder how much help could I get to make a fan movie of "playboy, the mansion".

Re:Me! Me! (4, Funny)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 5 years ago | (#27473551)

I think the point of Playboy is the do-it-yourself ethic.

Re:Me! Me! (1)

Siridar (85255) | more than 5 years ago | (#27473771)

I'm sure someone would give you a hand...

Yeah, we know CCP loves to help players out.. (0, Troll)

synthesizerpatel (1210598) | more than 5 years ago | (#27473403)

It's a well known fact that GMs bend over backwards to help EVE Players..

Just google for -> BoB EVE GM

Eve's Back Story Needs All The Help It Can Get (3, Interesting)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 5 years ago | (#27474193)

It should be no mystery why CCP would help a fan who was taking the game's back story seriously. Eve's back story makes that of Magic: The Gathering look like "The Brothers Karamazov."

Now, I'm a huge Eve fan -- huge -- but the whole set-up, like that of the great tabletop space opera game that preceded it, "Battletech," is merely a balsa wood framework designed to prop up as many reasons for different races to be at war with each other as possible. Eve is to Science Fiction what Everquest is to fantasy.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

just to sum up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27474287)

nothing happens. very slowly. then there are some shots of space ships fighting.

the *good* thing about this is unlike most of the awful "made" stuff on youtube it doesnt have a 3 minute title sequence.. you know where you get one name on screen at a time and its the same bloody name...

starring
jim scrote

written by
jim scrote

directed by
jim scrote

etc etc etc ad nausem

Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27474309)

A company with a sensible attitude that realises the value of "free" advertising using their customer base, not shafting them at the first opportunity!

Fan collaboration is stupid. (0)

tjstork (137384) | more than 5 years ago | (#27474397)

You might be able to make a movie but the best stories are the one that one guy thinks up and makes. Committees do not make things great. Please do not hold Linux up as an example of otherwise. Linux is a collection of successful programs, each of which is run by a benevolent dictator of some kind.

Re:Fan collaboration is stupid. (1)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 5 years ago | (#27474633)

Indeed you never see books of fiction written by more then one author.

Re:Fan collaboration is stupid. (1)

tjstork (137384) | more than 5 years ago | (#27474841)

Or songs, or even movies have one great writer, or one great director...

Even corporations always shine at their best when they have that one visionary founder or leader. Rockefeller drove Standard Oil.. Henry Ford drove, well, Ford, Gates drove Microsoft... and, even GM in its prime, was basically dominated by Sloan. You have to have that one person in charge, who also has a vision.

Re:Fan collaboration is stupid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27475615)

So I was hallucinating my way through the whole Dragonlance series? That explains a few things...

Re:Fan collaboration is stupid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27478011)

Not to mention Good Omens, a Pratchett/Gaiman cooperation.

Re:Fan collaboration is stupid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27483481)

"The Talisman" Stephen King and Peter Straub

Quite good fiction in my opinion

Let me be the first to say... (1)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 5 years ago | (#27475579)

Let me be the first to say that I, for one, welcome our new robot hobbyist-community-collaborators.

I hope they will be handsomely and visibly rewarded for this move---preferably with a positive dollar amount attached to the reward---such that the OMG-DOLL4RZ corporate leaders might follow their example, and in the long term change their mind about a thing or two.

Re:Let me be the first to say... (1)

Etrias (1121031) | more than 5 years ago | (#27475941)

My guess is that he'll be rewarded with in-game "isk"...game money, for those not in the know. EVE is pretty cool in that community efforts are appreciated and often rewarded in game with people who have a ton of resources to splurge.

Grammar NAZI! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27478715)

Umm yeah great work on the video and wonderful job by CCP to actively encourage and help but...

'grinded into action' - Um no, not even close, "ground into action" would be more correct, jeez

come on people don't let the new technology turn you into idiots! grammar is what separates you from fools and buffoons. You have a brain for a reason USE IT!

Re:Grammar NAZI! (1)

Enfors (519147) | more than 5 years ago | (#27479815)

Keep in mind that English is not everybody's native language.

Btw, how's your Icelandish grammar?

Re:Grammar NAZI! (1)

spacefiddle (620205) | more than 5 years ago | (#27480495)

How's your Swedish gramper? /getcoat

In other News.... (1)

voudras (105736) | more than 5 years ago | (#27479809)

a 7 minute clip is now refered to as a movie

Been done, but not speficially on backstory (1)

spacefiddle (620205) | more than 5 years ago | (#27480563)

Look at the "Eve Never Fades" trailer (halfway down this page [eveonline.com] ).

That was made by a fan who, IIRC, was given a high-end rig to make it on, and i assume someone got the rights / permission from JunkieXL to use that song. I seem to remember the creator being someone who'd made a bunch of movies that impressed everyone, and was thusly equipped to make the trailer, but that's where my recall of the facts might get hazy.

title (1)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 5 years ago | (#27480667)

Ballad of the Spreadsheet
an eyestrain tale.

Yay, but... Worst... UI.... Ever.... (1)

quibbler (175041) | more than 5 years ago | (#27481843)

I applaud the Eve gang supporting its fan base.

Unfortunately, the Eve UI remains the worst I've seen in any game made in the last 20 years. You'd have to pay me to play this thing (see Worst IT Jobs [slashdot.org] ).

Furthermore, while a back-story is nice, its rather difficult to be part of a story with ships and voice-overs. Eve still doesn't let you get out of your spaceship, still doesn't let you even see around your ship, you are your spaceship, its about the most aseptic stage to ever try to create a "story" unless you've got the power of Pixar behind you.

Re:Yay, but... Worst... UI.... Ever.... (1)

tibman (623933) | more than 5 years ago | (#27485293)

When ambulation comes out (and it will) i hope you'll come play. But as far as story goes.. there is a LOT of meta gaming going on. Lots of forums, killboards, spies everywhere, and tons of 3rd party apps to support in-game stuff. Stories are made every day but you have to take a step back to see them.

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