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Achievements and Optimizations

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the because-we-can dept.

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This week's code refresh has added a number of really irritating story display bugs that we're working on. But, it also added a number of cool optimizations that should improve performance for a lot of readers. Tap that link below to read a brief description of them, and also a few serious notes about the achievement system we launched last Wednesday.

Ok, Optimizations. These really only affect the Index2 beta users and Firefox users. You should really be in one of these 2 groups.

  • CSS Sprites: Vlad combined a number of our chrome images. Vroom used the same technique to combine our top 25 topic icons into a single image. The top 25 icons appear on 60% of our stories, and the chrome images appear on every page load. These 2 changes dropped perhaps 20 requests from a typical fresh page load. That should be a measurable performance increase for a lot of people.
  • Library Purge: Scott removed the last remnants of the YUI library. This was THE library to use for AJAX a few years ago, but as of now, we have totally ported to jQuery. The last 2 bits that used YUI were some animation bits, and the discussion2 threshold changing floating widget thing. Porting those 2 things to jQuery let us pull several hundred k of JS from our includes. This let us trim another 85k from our compressed JS transfers. We've cut the JS included on Slashdot in half in the last month.
  • Varnish: Jamie installed varnish as a reverse proxy behind the F5 but before our apache. Really this won't be a significant performance improvement for now. We use a complex system of static pages to cache the most read content on the site, but varnish will at last let us deprecate that ancient system for something much simpler. We'll be experimenting with this more over the week, but the only real change for most cases is that most of our static content can be served w/o the latency of NFS. Not a big deal really, but it's something. But when we purge out the old caching system, a lot of things will be a lot easier to maintain and debug.
  • CDN: We're probably going to test a CDN this week. The performance gains will be minor, but it will let us move 50 megabits of traffic off our main router and distribute that globally. It sure won't hurt.

A note on Achievements. We launched this as an april fools day joke. We're glad many of you got it. We had great fun with it. But achievements are actually a real, working system. And they serve a purpose. Most of the major bits of functionality on Slashdot have a corresponding achievement. Posting a Journal? Getting a Story Accepted? Being Moderated Up? Using all of your Mod Points up? While many achievements are silly jokes: getting the first block of achievements is essentially a tutorial. And getting some of the more complicated achievements would be a useful indicator for a quality contributor to the site. The heavy lifting on this was done by Chris Brown.

We're also experimenting with a thing we call 'Auto-More'. When you get to the end of the page, a second block of articles will be added to your index. The cool thing is that this means we can serve a smaller selection of stories on the main page request. Since 2/3rds of you never read past story #6, that means that you will get your page a little faster. But 10% or so of you get to the bottom of the page. And you will transparently be given more content. We're doing a bunch of logs to see if this works out. It's just an experiment tho, we may kill it if there is a problem. I think it will eventually be connected to the pause/play function available to logged in Index2 users.

This week we intend to start rolling out the Index2 beta to a very small number of firefox users. A good number of you won't notice. Some of you will tho. You won't hurt our feelings by disabling the thing immediately but I hope you give it a shot. It's great on Firefox. It has a few bugs on Safari. It will work on Chrome as soon as Google gets a Mac port out (Hint hint!). As for IE... well, you'll keep the old system for a few more weeks, but you're only like 14% of our users, and you keep shrinking.

Ok, back to work. You too.

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But does it improve story quality? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27476825)

How about employing someone to proof-read your posts and check the links?

Re:But does it improve story quality? (4, Insightful)

Cube Steak (1520237) | more than 5 years ago | (#27476855)

To improve story quality they just need to get rid of kdawson and ScuttleMonkey. That'll improve quality at least 5000%.

Re:But does it improve story quality? (5, Funny)

ushering05401 (1086795) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477007)

Either that or they need to create some way for readers to weigh in on what should make it to the main pages.

Oh well, we can only wish.

Re:But does it improve story quality? (5, Insightful)

MagicM (85041) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477177)

create some way for readers to weigh in

Like the Firehose [slashdot.org] ?

Re:But does it improve story quality? (5, Funny)

ushering05401 (1086795) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477221)

Firehose?!? I know what that means and I have no time for you GNAA trolls!

Anyhow, I am still trying to figure out what the Green/Black thing means.

Is anyone else seeing +/- on all the story headers?

I think they really should just go with the GGP suggestion and fire those guys.

Re:But does it improve story quality? (3, Interesting)

esocid (946821) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477315)

Look at the color scale. The ROYGBIV(and black) is a scale of hot to cold. Like a story, push the +, don't think it's good, push the -. If a story gets to yellow or above, they usually pick it up. But sometimes they pick up ones for reasons beyond my understanding, and overlook others.

Which brings me to my point. "Fire" kdawson.

Re:But does it improve story quality? (3, Insightful)

doctor_nation (924358) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477345)

I suspect we are in need of at least two "Whoooosh!"'s here.

Humor is so hard to detect in text...

Re:But does it improve story quality? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477647)

The meta-humor of the current situation is funnier.

Re:But does it improve story quality? (5, Insightful)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477483)

The Firehose lets us all know just how bad the Slashdot story submission poll really is. There is a lot of tripe in there; ads, dupes, polemicals, rotten formatting, dupes, enormous submissions, just plain boring stories and more dupes.

The issue of story selection is a deep and chronic one at Slashdot. Essentially, the root of the problem is that there is no real incentive to post a good submission, and more incentive to simply post a swathe of low quality submissions instead. I and many other submitters have spent considerable time an effort on compiling and editing submissions, only to have them rejected within minutes, while dupes were chosen instead.

Now, when you submit you have to accept that your story may not be posted. But when quality submissions are getting lost amid the deluge, it's easy to see how good potential submitters can become disheartened and will simply stop submitting good stories. By contrast, the shotgun submitter who spends less time on each submission, but submits more submissions in total, will be more likely to have a story posted and will continue submitting. The end result is the current, appalling state of the firehose. Admittedly the front page has improved in recent times, but the firehose is as bad as ever.

The best way to solve this problem is to give submitters a karma system. This would allow the system to distinguish between submitters who write good stories that didn't make it, and submitters who just wrote tripe. A meta moderation system for submissions would go a long way to improving the submission box and hence the front page.

Re:But does it improve story quality? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477605)

They already have this. Notice how many submitters NEVER get rejected... This has been the way of Slashdot forever. If you are a "pal" your stories get posted all the time. If you are not, and you posted the story hours earlier, the pal's dupe of yours get's posted instead.

Re:But does it improve story quality? (3, Insightful)

RulerOf (975607) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477233)

After that, they can hire another person explicitly to edit and post stories, perhaps with journalism experience, nudging the story quality up to Over 9000% better than it was before!

Re:But does it improve story quality? (3, Funny)

rev_g33k_101 (886348) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477709)

Slashdot's power level over 9000?!?!

This can NOT be good....

Re:But does it improve story quality? (5, Funny)

nmb3000 (741169) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477391)

To improve story quality they just need to get rid of kdawson and ScuttleMonkey.

Meh. The kdawson script is just ScuttleMonkey v2. Obviously, not only did they not get rid of all the bugs, but they introduced a bunch of new ones. Hey Taco, I think you should name ScuttleMonkey v3 "RickJames". That way if anyone complains, you can have an automated response that just says, "I'm RickJames, bitch!" No one can argue with that.

In any case, those are the only two that I know are computer programs. There's no way to tell how many other /. editors are scripts. Call me paranoid, but I wonder sometimes if Slashdot as a whole isn't a ploy by the machines to waste humanity's time while they plan their attack. You thought Caprica Six planted a virus in the Colonial defense system? Nope. She just installed Slashdot on the defense network and waited. Once everyone was busy arguing about the latest kdawson dupe the Cylons attacked.

Re:But does it improve story quality? (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477441)

They have provided you with a way to hide all their stories though.

Re:But does it improve story quality? (1)

Cube Steak (1520237) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477449)

Yeah, but that's just pretending the problem doesn't exist anymore.

Re:But does it improve story quality? (4, Insightful)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477683)

You can go into preferences and shut kdawson off if you like. So i fail to see the complaint.

Re:But does it improve story quality? (5, Insightful)

Chad Birch (1222564) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477209)

How about adding Unicode support so that posts aren't often filled with random garbage when commenters assume one of the major technical sites on the internet should be able to handle curved quotation marks. Never mind when someone tries to write a word/post in Japanese or any other non-English language.

Re:But does it improve story quality? (3, Interesting)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477289)

tries to write a word/post in Japanese or any other non-English language.

I think the point is that the site wants to remain in English. There's always slashdot.jp if you want to pretend that you know Japanese.

I do admit that having a submission filter fix the most common copy/paste issues (ellipses, em dashes, curved quotes, etc) should be high on the wishlist for slashdot.

Re:But does it improve story quality? (5, Interesting)

Chad Birch (1222564) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477409)

I'm not sure what the random "pretend you know Japanese" jab is about, but regardless, I wasn't trying to say that it should be normal for people to write posts in other languages. However, I've seen multiple instances where someone tried to clear up some details related to a story, where the only source of information is in a foreign language. They write a post along the lines of:

"The summary isn't quite correct, because the article says '<foreign language>', which actually translates to something like '<english translation>'"

Slashdot then totally mangles the quote they took out of the article and displays it in random ASCII characters. Is it something that's totally necessary for the site to have? No, but it's 2009, sites should be able to deal with more than ASCII. I certainly think it would have been a better use of developer time than achievements.

Re:But does it improve story quality? (4, Insightful)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477477)

I think currency symbols and other Unicode often thrown about in geeky discussions like ^2 would be nice
â euro
£ pound
 squared
 cubed

Re:But does it improve story quality? (4, Interesting)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477497)

Names generally do not put up well with translation; and certain countries in Europe use characters outside ISO-8859-1 range even in names. Or is there some new rule in English that under no circumstances can a non-English character appear in English text?

Backwards text (2:erocS) (5, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477361)

How about adding Unicode support so that posts aren't often filled with random garbage when commenters assume one of the major technical sites on the internet should be able to handle curved quotation marks.

They tried that once before. But some idiots found some Unicode characters that could be used to reverse the display of Slashdot and spoof scores. See my previous post on this topic [slashdot.org]

Re:Backwards text (2:erocS) (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477555)

So fix that?

Re:But does it improve story quality? (4, Informative)

coryking (104614) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477467)

Perl supports Unicode just fine. It is Slashcode [sourceforge.net] itself that is stripping out anything that isn't the Queens ASCII. If I could hazard a guess as to why, it would be some kind of cheap way to prevent XSS attacks or page-widening posts. Dunno

Re:But does it improve story quality? (5, Funny)

Blig (1167531) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477259)

How about employing someone to proof-read your posts and check the links?

Are you serious? The lack of proof-read is what makes this place Slashdot! ;-)

Re:But does it improve story quality? (0, Redundant)

Cube Steak (1520237) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477299)

Or when certain editors *cough*kdawson*cough* insert their own crappily written text into the original submission.

Hope (5, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 5 years ago | (#27476841)

Let's just hope these new optimizations don't href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/technologynews/5105

Re:Hope (4, Funny)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 5 years ago | (#27476995)

Shit I think this thing is Hope (Score:3, Funny) by Yvan256 (722131) Alter Relationship on Monday April 06, @11:49AM (#27476841) Homepage Let's just hope these new optimizations don't href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/technologynews/5105 Reply to This

Re:Hope (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477677)

You know this new Slashdot meme will only make sense to people who saw that story before they corrected the href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/technologynews/5105

Test (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27476849)

UTF-8 support .... that's a no. Where did the geeks go?

Greek - Monotonic:
Greek - Polytonic:
Russian:
Gorgian:
English (Braille):
German: Ich kann Glas essen, ohne mir zu schaden.
Middle High German: Sîne klâwen durh die wolken sint geslagen
German - Schwäbisch: I kå Glas frässa, ond des macht mr nix!
German - Bayrisch: I koh Glos esa, und es duard ma ned wei.
Thai:
Japanese:
Chinese:

Re:Test (4, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477415)

UTF-8 support .... that's a no.

I'm guessing that's a no on purpose. Slashdot whitelists characters so that posters can't use the bidirectional characters to destroy the layout.

The Maker Achievement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27476853)

Seriously, what does it mean?

Re:The Maker Achievement (3, Insightful)

unfunk (804468) | more than 5 years ago | (#27476925)

it means you rode Shai Hulud

Re:The Maker Achievement (1)

Kell Bengal (711123) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477103)

Sounds like something my stoner friend does on the weekend.

Re:The Maker Achievement (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477381)

There should be a little maker achievement to go with it.

Re:The Maker Achievement (1)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#27476953)

Well, I don't have it, so I guess it's not related to spending ludicrous amounts of time posting stupid jokes on Slashdot instead of working...

Not clear on all achievements (4, Insightful)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 5 years ago | (#27476857)

I've got a buttload of achievements listed, but not all are described in the help. What do they all mean?

Re:Not clear on all achievements (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477165)

no life

Re:Not clear on all achievements (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477423)

If AC had an account, I'm sure AC will get all the achievements. Yes, including the one achievement that requires one to get all the achievements.

Re:Not clear on all achievements (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477721)

http://foamy.libertech.net/ACH22.swf [libertech.net]

should answer everything you need to know about achievements.

NOTE: it is NOT works safe for language and animated ookyness. (no no porn, just some southpark style animated suggestion..)

now... (1)

unfunk (804468) | more than 5 years ago | (#27476859)

Now if only Facebook (and other big sites, I guess - I don't visit many of them) would do things like decreasing bloat while adding functionality, the web would be a much nicer place to be.

10% of 1% (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27476861)

Since 2/3rds of you never read past story #6, that means that you will get your page a little faster. But 10% or so of you get to the bottom of the page. And you will transparently be given more content.

Those of us with a functioning brain switched off the Javascript Web 2.0 crap the day you foisted it on us, and we'll continue to read Slashdot the way we always have.

Re:10% of 1% (3, Insightful)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477377)

Those of us with a functioning brain switched off the Javascript Web 2.0 crap the day you foisted it on us, and we'll continue to read Slashdot the way we always have.

Those of you with functioning brains prefer larger downloads, and waiting for full page loads before replying and after moderating? Ah, right, and having to refresh the page every time you change your threshold?

Phew. Sure am glad my brain is broken then. Among other advantages, those of us with non-functional brains realize that just because a technology happens to have a buzzword attached to it doesn't mean that the technology itself is a bad thing.

achievements system (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27476863)

The heavy lifting on this was done by Chris Brown.

I don't care if he can code, any man that would hit a woman is no man at all. You don't deserve Rihanna, you piece of shit, and if I ever catch you out on the street without your bodyguards - your ass is grass my friend.

Re:achievements system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477283)

I don't care about his personal life, all I know is that 'The DaVinci Code' was excellent, although maybe a bit light.

Re:achievements system (1)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477585)

That was Dan Brown.

Sleeker is better (4, Insightful)

Kell Bengal (711123) | more than 5 years ago | (#27476887)

Achievements strike me as yet another penis-measuring tool, rather than as something that brings more value to the site. If people never read past story #6 is it because they check the site often enough to not need to go that far back, or is it because they only care about breaking headlines (or perhaps we all just have ADH- ooh, shiny!)

I think we would all benefit much more from a streamlined site, rather than the feature creep we're seeing at the moment. Slashdot isn't much broken, so don't much fix it.

Re:Sleeker is better (3, Insightful)

Sj0 (472011) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477005)

I'd argue it is broken, but because they're changing things.

I don't know about you, but I get really high CPU utilization with the fancy new system. By contrast, the old system's only real flaw was that the page system was broken (you'd have to click on page 5 to get page 2), but straight HTML spit out by a server-side CGI script was about the fastest way you could possibly display the insane amount of information on a slashdot comments page quickly.

Re:Sleeker is better (4, Interesting)

Reziac (43301) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477147)

Absolutely. The cute bells and whistles are sometimes fun, and occasionally useful, but they are NOT why I come here. I come here for the news and the conversation. It's rather like a coffeehouse or neighbourhood bar -- you go there to relax. You don't want to be forced to dress up in a power suit just to have a beer with your friends.

My internet machine is a P3 (albeit with gobs of RAM). It struggles with the full display, even in "low bandwidth" mode (on broadband). It takes 20-30 seconds for any page (even "small" ones) to download and render in Mozilla.

Aside from the fact that the whole bloody look is hard on my aging eyes (with no way to get it to be "restfully readable"), this is one reason I still use antique Netscape 3 here -- it doesn't do CSS or JS, so all I see is plain text, rendered almost instantly.

If the site's "improvements" ever get to where I can't use NS3 to read and post, I'll have to give up Slashdot -- it simply won't be worth the time or the eyestrain if I have to read it in "normal" mode.

Re:Sleeker is better (2, Interesting)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477427)

Using elinks is definitely the way to go when reading slashdot. Even on my screamin' new intel Mac, slashdot takes forever to load in any graphical browser.

Re:Sleeker is better (1)

coryking (104614) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477579)

Since I never target NS3, I'm rather curious--doesn't pretty much the entire web look like shit for you? I mean, no offense, but I never bother targeting NS3 or IE4 because I figure if you are using it, you are pretty much used to nothing on the internet working. So surely you must be used to this, right?

it doesn't do CSS

Translation: tables.

Sorry, no thanks. If I have to do tables, it means it is harder to target search engines and screen readers. I'd rather have them then people who deliberately run antique browsers and complain about how no modern website works.

I could be getting trolled though. In fact, I bet I am. Nobody uses NS3... I get more hits from the Nintendo WII and the PSP!!

Re:Sleeker is better (2, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477583)

Add a mobile page which autodetects. I don't want to have to set something in my settings to get it to come up like that when I only read from my mobile page once or twice a day. It's a real fucking pain in the ass to wait 45 to 60 seconds for the page to come up because there is so much shit being loaded.

Tons of other sites have auto-mobile support. Why not a tech site like Slashdot?

Re:Sleeker is better (2, Informative)

0xABADC0DA (867955) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477765)

this is one reason I still use antique Netscape 3 here -- it doesn't do CSS or JS, so all I see is plain text, rendered almost instantly.

In firefox:
    View -> Page Style -> No Style

Probably you can do this automatically with greasemonkey or something. Noscript will disable all javascript, or only js you want.

My internet machine is a P3 (albeit with gobs of RAM) ... If the site's "improvements" ever get to where I can't use NS3 to read and post, I'll have to give up Slashdot -- it simply won't be worth the time or the eyestrain

'Here's a nickel kid. Get yourself a better computer.' Also, nobody else can read Idle stories either...

Re:Sleeker is better (1)

Vanders (110092) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477211)

I've got everything switched off. All the new menus, collapsing comments, Web 2.37a stuff. I read at -1, Nested, Oldest First with no modifiers. In fact I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between how I see Slashdot now and how I saw it when I first started reading. Which is just the way I like it!

Re:Sleeker is better (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477485)

I also turn everything off every chance I get.

I want flat text.

Every change they've made has annoyed me.

And get off my lawn. --- (joke portion to lighten up- but the rest above I'm serious about)

Re:Sleeker is better (2, Insightful)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477425)

straight HTML spit out by a server-side CGI script was about the fastest way you could possibly display the insane amount of information on a slashdot comments page quickly

Yes. Please, please, please, STOP with the pointless and annoying AJAXing of Slashdot. It is not a "web application" like Google maps where you want to be able to zoom and drag. It is an information source, so send me the information -- not a program to view the information in the way you think is cool.

Classic mode works fine (except, as the parent notes, the broken pagination), whereas attempting to use the "new and improved" system makes me want to put my fist through the screen. If they ever remove the option to use classic mode, for the safety of my hardware I'll have to stop using the site.

Re:Sleeker is better (4, Funny)

johnny cashed (590023) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477039)

I happen to like the achievements.

After all:

In my country, they speak of a man so virile, so potent, that to spend a night with such a man is to enter a world of sensual delights most women dare not dream of. This man is known as "the comedian."

Re:Sleeker is better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477245)

Size matters..even in the e-world. But I do agree that /. isn't really broken, so don't go fixing it until it does break.

Re:Sleeker is better (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477303)

Achievements strike me as yet another penis-measuring tool, rather than as something that brings more value to the site.

Well, at bare minimum they should thus bring penis to the site. Er, wait, slashdot is quite the sausage party already. Actually, I have a theory that there are actually quite a few females lurking, but they don't talk because they know we wouldn't appreciate it anyway. There are of course a few regular female contributors, but if I were them I wouldn't bother - you could be deluged with sexist bullshit anywhere. The difference is that most people are even dumber than the average slashdotter and have less excuse for thinking that crap is funny.

Achievements are harmless. They don't even do anything! As long as there are no achievements based on things like first posts or negative moderation, the achievement system is unlikely to actually harm anyone. It's only when it rewards bad behavior (e.g. by allowing a negative score - thus users could compete for maximum absolute value) that it becomes dangerous.

Re:Sleeker is better (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477319)

Or because some of us use RSS, not the front page, which prevents those statistics from working. (Of course, the fact that I have the JavaScript front page turned off might also do that even if I DID use the front page. :))

I forget, (4, Funny)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#27476899)

how many achievements do I need to unlock the ACOG scope?

Test CDN? (2, Informative)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 5 years ago | (#27476901)

At least for some site optimization schools (from the point of view of visitors, at the very least) using a CDN is almost a must.

Re:Test CDN? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477819)

They could also remove the pictures from idle

Achievements (4, Interesting)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 5 years ago | (#27476915)

Is there a list of who has the most achievements? Maybe Slashdot should award titles depending upon how many achievements you have.

Flair? (4, Funny)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477049)

You mean, like flair? You know, the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

Re:Flair? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477183)

Nice Godwin/Office mix there!

Re:Achievements (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477137)

I never created a /. account until the Karma score was removed. I don't want to go back.

Re:Achievements (1)

RulerOf (975607) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477339)

Create a Rank based on achievement count and quality, then split by UID or Karma level!

Though I have to admit this achievement shit that has been showing up in games is really f*cking asinine.

IPv6? (4, Interesting)

c_g_hills (110430) | more than 5 years ago | (#27476967)

Still no support for IPv6 it seems. Has it even been given consideration?

Re:IPv6? (4, Funny)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477149)

Still no support for IPv6 it seems. Has it even been given consideration?

Yes, as an achievement. Sadly even then, only 0.001% of us will ever see it.

Erm...excuse me! (5, Insightful)

Smivs (1197859) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477051)

It's great on Firefox. It has a few bugs on Safari. It will work on Chrome as soon as Google gets a Mac port out (Hint hint!). As for IE... well, you'll keep the old system for a few more weeks, but you're only like 14% of our users, and you keep shrinking.

Er...havn't you forgotten something. A lot of us are Sooo nerdy we use Opera [opera.com]

Re:Erm...excuse me! (5, Funny)

its_schwim (1247278) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477157)

Nobody's forgotten. /. knows that Opera readers will simply build an inline proxy that pre-reads the page, corrects any errors, add missing alignment attributes and then optimize the resulting code before passing it on to the user. For this reason, web development no longer has to take the browser into account.

Re:Erm...excuse me! (4, Funny)

gnick (1211984) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477573)

Opera readers will simply build an inline proxy that pre-reads the page, corrects any errors, add missing alignment attributes and then optimize the resulting code before passing it on to the user.

... which will be available as a Firefox Add-on eight months later and built into the monolith that will be known as IE 10. Firefox users (myself included) will believe and argue that FF invented this feature.

Re:Erm...excuse me! (1)

Urza9814 (883915) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477779)

Bah! True nerds use Chromium. On Linux.

IE at 14%? (5, Interesting)

theCoder (23772) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477087)

IE usage down to 14% seems like a major story, even for a tech heavy site like Slashdot. It would be interesting to see trends of browsers on /. over time. And maybe even OS stats?

btw, Taco, I use noscript to turn off the Javascript on /., mostly because Firefox 2 on my Solaris machine is just too slow (and there's really no hope of getting Firefox 3 working -- I'd have to compile half of Gnome in library upgrades). I can accept some of the UI weirdness (like the gray triangle on top of every story on the main page), but I hope you don't make Javascript a requirement for viewing /. That would be painful!

Significant portions, anyone? (1)

RulerOf (975607) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477397)

Explicitly ignoring a user-base that high is almost as ignorant as legislating against homosexuals in liberal parts of the US.

But if Taco and friends think raising the barrier to entry on their site is a good idea....

I'm not really sure what to say about that.

Re:IE at 14%? (2, Insightful)

coryking (104614) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477629)

It is only down to 14% on this website because this website doesn't function on any version of IE. If you try to do anything using IE, you'll quickly realize they don't test using it and you have to switch browsers. In otherwords, no it is not a major story beyond "Slashdot is a Firefox-only website"

Funny that. They should put an animated "Best viewed with Netscape" at the bottom of the page. I thought that attitude went out with Firefox.

Re:IE at 14%? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477679)

so if i make a website that purposely craps on firefox users and my firefaox flow comes to nearly zero that's newsworthy? slashdot is defective by design.

acheivement points? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477089)

oh, you mean using up the non-existant mod points since you guys have blackballed certain users from because you disagree with them?

Bring back the old user page! (5, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477107)

The new user page is ugly and less useful than the old one. It takes information that used to be on the main user page and makes me click on a second link in order to see it.

I respect that website maintainers like to add new shiny things to the website every once in a while, but for God's sake, don't take away functionality in the process.

Re:Bring back the old user page! (4, Informative)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477261)

just bookmark www.slashdot.org/users.pl

Re:Bring back the old user page! (2, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477455)

I suppose, until they decide to retire that page. Also, I would like to get a useful page when I click on my name at the top of the page rather than having to type in the address bar or navigate my bookmarks. Also, I prefer the role of the grumpy curmudgeon, and using an alternative user page rather than bitching about the current one is not in keeping with that role.

Spoofing Firefox (2, Funny)

PIPBoy3000 (619296) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477615)

Actually, we IE users are spoofing our user agent to make it seem like we're Firefox whenever we visit Slashdot.

I've got a reputation as a nerd to uphold, after all.

correlation something something causation (3, Insightful)

MagicM (85041) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477131)

As for IE... well, you'll keep the old system for a few more weeks, but you're only like 14% of our users, and you keep shrinking.

Ah, yes. The old "if it hurts, then just stop doing it" treatment. Of course the number of IE users keeps shrinking, as they find that this site doesn't work with their browser of choice!

As an Opera user I'm still using the old-school no-beta, no-beta2 version of Slashdot, and I sincerely hope the day will never come that I have to choose between Opera and Slashdot.

Re:correlation something something causation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477203)

isn't it amazing that malda feels fine about cutting away something that has 14% of his marketshare but still advocates an operating system that really has no more than 3% marketshare in the real world? and yet the linux drones keep crying on and on about not being supported by the mainstream. just goes to show the way linux advocates really work.

Re:correlation something something causation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477727)

One follows standards. One doesn't.

14% (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477253)

Had to read the last line of the article to get that tidbit. :-)

So if IE is such a small fraction, why not post browser statistics?

Along with the upgrades and fixes ... (1)

Samschnooks (1415697) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477273)

I see that the Slashdot programming staff has added some more skills to their resume. I don't CmdrTaco has anything to worry about - yet. But, if we start seeing Slashdot being ported over to .NET, then, well, maybe those guys will be moving on.

Now, with bigger ads! (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477295)

The Google ad blocks seem to be bigger. And there are more of them. I thought Google limited you to one block of ads per page.

Comment Page (5, Informative)

sashapup (1025115) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477309)

Just annecdotal, since I don't have numbers to back it up, but comment pages seem a LOT faster with the cut over from YUI. The lil floating comment bar used to be PAINFULLY slow in letting me scroll through.

Proper unicode support (0, Redundant)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477399)

Please, include with. Don't want to work with ampersands and

Fu\3ker (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477407)

are alm0st

I just hope (3, Insightful)

Reapman (740286) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477445)

You guys don't break IE functionality before my work upgrades from IE6... I absolutely despise IE (and IE6 most of all) but can't break free of it yet :(

Best Improvement (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477459)

The "do not use those stupid fucking boxes on the right side" button actually works now.

Mark all posts as read when hitting "more"? (2, Interesting)

Briareos (21163) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477481)

I know posts get marked as read when using keyboard navigation, but since I don't want to do that could hitting the "Get More Comments" button at the bottom of the page and/or the "More" link in the slider thingy please mark as read and/or collapse all already shown posts?

That would really make finding the newly added posts a lot easier...

np: Gui Boratto - Mr. Decay (Chromophobia)

AutoPager? (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477527)

Slashdot is copying the AutoPager Firefox extension concept? Was code re-used as well?

Bug Fix Request - Comment Mismoderation (5, Insightful)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477559)

I really like the new system(s), especially the async page loading and 'fetch on demand' aspects of comments. But...

Please oh please, add a "submit" button next to the moderation dropdown? It should do the same asynchronous post that selection change of that dropdown does today. It's very easy (especially using a sensitive touchpad) to mis-click on a moderation option - which you can then only undo by replying in the conversation, and losing any point(s) awarded.*

A submit button would remove the accidental moderation issue, and still allow the all the ajaxified web2.0 paradigms to remain intact ;)

* then - to add insult to injury - usually get that corrective post modded down as offtopic because of some moderator a power trip

Suggestion. (3, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 5 years ago | (#27477561)

How about having the username field get focus when you log in.
It would save a little time when logging in.

javascript errors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477633)

Can you guys try to fix the JavaScript errors too? I know you are probably IE haters to the core, but some of us still use it - with javascript debugging enabled. I always get 4 to 6 error pop-ups in IE7 on every page on slashdot. For a site as devoted to technology as slashdot, I'd think that someone would care enough about their code to remove all the bugs from it. Ok, flame away...

index2? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27477731)

What is index2?

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