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Organized Online, Students Storm Gov't. Buildings In Moldova

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the no-emoticon-for-what-I-feel dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Reacting to allegedly fraudulent election procedures, students are storming the presidency and parliament of the small eastern European country of Moldova. It is reported that they used Twitter to organize. Currently twitter and blogs are being used to spread word of what is happening since all national news websites have been blocked. If the 1989 Romanian revolution was the first to be televised, is this the first to be led by twitter and social networks?" Jamie points out this interesting presentation (from March 2008) by Ethan Zuckerman about the realities of online activism, including how governments try to constrain it.

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Hmm... (5, Funny)

KingAlanI (1270538) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489063)

...So Twitter is *occasionally* filled with useful material. :)

Re:Hmm... (1, Insightful)

xenolion (1371363) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489251)

all hale to the uninformed ideas that sounded good at the time.

Re:Hmm... (1)

KingAlanI (1270538) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489829)

I don't get what you mean here...

Re:Hmm... (1)

xenolion (1371363) | more than 5 years ago | (#27490731)

Twitter is just another Blogging tool that people don't take the time to look into what people are saying. Next thing I'm waiting to read around here is some type of Fox News joke..

Re:Hmm... (1)

BobGod8 (1123841) | more than 5 years ago | (#27491857)

No.

Is this the first? (0)

volpe (58112) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489077)

is this the first to be lead by twitter and social networks?

If it isn't, Slashdot ain't doin' its job.

BTW, it's "led", not "lead".

Re:Is this the first? (3, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489217)

If it isn't, Slashdot ain't doin' its job.

If Slashdot was doing its job it would be the FRIST REVOLUTION!.

Re:Is this the first? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27490317)

All hail our new Supreme Leader:
      Ex-Majority Leader U.S. Senator Bill Frist (R-TN), M.D., retired!

Re:Is this the first? (1)

Missing_dc (1074809) | more than 5 years ago | (#27490261)

Perhaps "lead" as in what bullets are made of is accurate?

it is after all a form of rebellion, in an eastern european country, no less.

timothy is my bastard son (1)

Smidge207 (1278042) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489097)

timothy? Dear sweet child /pats head/ I think the word is 'led' not 'lead'.

=Smidge=

i can see the headlines already tommorow (0)

ionix5891 (1228718) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489107)

"TWITter blocked in Moldova by government"

The revolution ... (5, Funny)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489111)

will not be televised, but apparently it will be twittered.

Re:The revolution ... (5, Insightful)

ionix5891 (1228718) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489231)

pitty any future historian who will have to dig thru all the LOLs to follow historical events

Re:The revolution ... (5, Funny)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489303)

Future researcher 1: We've almost decoded the ancient English language. FR2: Yes, we are very close. We just need a definition for this "LOL" word. FR1: Best I can tell, it seems to be a sign of mental retardation.

Re:The revolution ... (1)

omnipresentbob (858376) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489777)

LOL! ... sorry. I had to!

Fax, Internet, Same Thing (5, Interesting)

QuincyDurant (943157) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489363)

The Soviet Union was crushed by fax machines. Twitter is just sort of a chickenshit fax machine for people who like to run their mouths.

BTW, good for the students.

Re:Fax, Internet, Same Thing (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27489437)

I must not be using the same definition of "chickenshit" as you. Chickenshits usually don't storm government buildings.

Re:Fax, Internet, Same Thing (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27490091)

"Chickenshit" modifies "fax machine," not "people." As the fax machines are not storming government buildings, it is perfectly appropriate.

Re:Fax, Internet, Same Thing (1)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 5 years ago | (#27490747)

Skyfax.

Re:The revolution ... (1)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489951)

ASCII art?

Re:The revolution ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27490219)

do not slashdot the revolution

Re:The revolution ... (1)

GXTi (635121) | more than 5 years ago | (#27491879)

The revolution will be simulcast via twitter and telegraph, except where prohibited by law.

Ahh.. (-1, Redundant)

bigattichouse (527527) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489129)

Now the crackdown begins.

Twitter (5, Funny)

koterica (981373) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489131)

Tomorrows CNN: "According to Twits from the Moldovian front...."

Maybe after this, twitting will sound a little less stupid.

Maybe.

Re:Twitter (1)

f1vlad (1253784) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489197)

Don't you recall another /. discussion about Israeli vs. Palestinians debates on twitter? Which one user cleverly interpreted as jews and arabs following each other on twitter :)

Twitteriffic! (5, Funny)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489709)

Tomorrows CNN: "According to Twits from the Moldovian front...." Maybe after this, twitting will sound a little less stupid. Maybe.

Somehow I doubt it. Somewhere, the twits will be twoted as twaying something or other about how these tweettacks are a violation of their twitful rights...

But don't twote me on that...

Re:Twitteriffic! (5, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#27492153)

[twitation needed]

Re:Twitter (1)

MiniMike (234881) | more than 5 years ago | (#27491813)

Tomorrows CNN: "According to Twits from the Moldovian front...."

When did CNN start using reporters from Fox?

And tomorrow on Fox:
"According to Imbeciles from the Moldovian front..."

Wow (5, Funny)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489175)

I'm really surprised they managed to send so many messages without Twitter displaying the Fail Whale.

Re:Wow (5, Funny)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489293)

That's actually how it all started. People got the Fail Whale and thought that was the signal to rush the government. Oops!

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27489475)

In Sweden, election and whale share the same word, coincidence?

Re:Wow (1)

b100dian (771163) | more than 5 years ago | (#27491673)

evely molnin?

Re:Wow (2, Interesting)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 5 years ago | (#27491239)

Actually, epic fails in communication have already resulted in major events [wikipedia.org] (skip the first two paragraphs)

Re:Wow (2, Insightful)

NewbieProgrammerMan (558327) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489557)

I must officially be an old, curmudgeonly luddite now, since I didn't know what the Fail Whale was before today.

Or wait, since we like bashing social networky things here, does that make me cool? I can't tell.

What's the story here? (5, Insightful)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489203)

People use communication tools available to them to organize and carry out tactics?

Oh, it's because it's twitter it's a novelty.

Re:What's the story here? (2, Informative)

xlotlu (1395639) | more than 5 years ago | (#27490215)

The story is their communist government cut down the communication tools. Cellphone coverage is off and all media "shutdown" early in the day. The radio / television employees all went home and the buildings are surrounded by the military.

The story is they were left with the internet. Here's a good read [foreignpolicy.com] .

Re:What's the story here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27490391)

Were people 20 years ago using the Internet to organize protests?

10 years ago? 5 years ago?

The Internet as a social tool is just now coming to its feet. It's not even close to maturity yet. These are the types of things that serve as learning exercises for future real-world organizing being used by the Internet.

It's called a paradigm shift. No, not Twitter: the Internet.

Quit thinking small.

Europe... (5, Interesting)

hkz (1266066) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489225)

From my time in Moldova with native students, all they want is to join up with the rest of Europe and get the show on the road. They're really frustrated at "the Man". There's the Romanians who don't want to reunite the countries (since Moldova is poorer), the Russians who keep feeding the border conflict with Transnistria (fascinating read about that tin pot narco/weapons state: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria [wikipedia.org] ), there's the EU that doesn't even want to consider Moldova as long as there's an unsolved border conflict, there's the communists in power, and so on. Doesn't surprise me much that they're going the same way as the Orange Revolution in Ukraine -- which was much the same circumstances.

Totally OT: Moldova has the BEST wine and the CRAZIEST Nightclubs. Gotta believe me on that one ;-)

Not again! (1)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489397)

How many more countries are going to sprout out in that area? I already went broke replacing all my atlases when the USSR broke up, Yugoslavia broke up and reorged a couple of times, then Kosovo went independent... sheesh! I wish there was an atlas with a bunch of scrapbook-style cutouts for the most likely countries to secede next :)

Re:Not again! (1, Insightful)

harry666t (1062422) | more than 5 years ago | (#27490447)

Ultimate solution to this, and a handful of other problems:

1. Buy a geographical atlas, with no countries marked at all,
2. Write "world" on it,
3. Tell everyone else to do the same.

Re:Not again! (1)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 5 years ago | (#27490779)

Solves a handful of problems and creates many more. Pass.

Re:Not again! (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#27492265)

4. What if they don't take any notice?

Re:Not again! (1)

Freultwah (739055) | more than 5 years ago | (#27491149)

Yugoslavia never re-organised, it just broke up. Quickly at first, gradually in later years. The last of the more or less kosher breakups was a couple of years ago when Montenegro split from Serbia, thus effectively ending Yugoslavia. Kosovo's status is still not set in stone, since its overhasty and unilateral declaration of independence is legally questionable. The last breakup before Montenegro was that of Czechoslovakia on 1 January 1993, when it became the Czech Republic and Slovakia. It's hardly a region in flux, methinks.

As for Moldova, I think there are two main reasons it did not unite with Romania as it had been before the territory was occupied and annexed by the SU. First, Moldovan leaders wanted to remain country leaders, not just play Nth fiddle in a Romanian provincial council. Second, see the wiki article on Moldova, subsection titled "Soviet era". It was said that everybody with brains fled from Moldova over the river Prus when the Russians started coming. So the demographic balance was altered and now it's difficult to achieve something that grandiose.

Just recently I mishappened to see an episode of some American sitcom, where one of the characters said something along the lines of, "Every girl needs to visit Europe at least once in their life, so I bought a ticket to Paris." I moaned. I've been told that quite many people over the pond cannot really tell the relation between Paris, France and Europe. One of those is another's capital, that much they know. "I thought Europe was a country" is something I have heard actually said on TV.

Re:Europe... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27489603)

Doesn't surprise me much that they're going the same way as the Orange Revolution in Ukraine

What - you mean financed and organised by the US government?

Re:Europe... (2, Informative)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489821)

You can also see how fucked Ukraine is now. The government is not functioning, the presidend and the prime minister (former best buddies and orange revolution heroes) are now bitter enemies.

Re:Europe... (3, Informative)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489719)

Russians work as peacekeepers in Transnistria.

Also, you should try to read Wiki article you're quoting:
======
On August 31, 1989, the Supreme Soviet of the Moldavian SSR adopted Moldovan as the only official language, with Russian retained only for secondary purposes, returned Moldovan to the Latin alphabet, and declared a shared Moldova-Romanian linguistic identity. As plans for major cultural changes in Moldova were made public, tensions rose further. Ethnic minorities felt threatened by the prospects of removing Russian as the de facto official language, the possible future reunification of Moldova and Romania and the ethnocentric rhetoric of the Popular Front. The Yedinstvo (Unity) Movement, established by the Slavic population of Moldova, pressed for the equal status given to both Russian and Moldovan.[73]
Soviet symbols are still used in Transnistria

The nationalist Popular Front won the first free parliamentary elections in the Moldavian SSR in the spring of 1990[citation needed], and its agenda started slowly to be implemented.
=======

That pattern was repeated several times during the USSR collapse (in Georgia and Armenia). Russian peacekeepers were able to stop these conflicts before they turned into full-scale civil wars.

Also, Transnistria's reputation as a drug haven is exaggerated.

Re:Europe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27490855)

No propaganda, please!

Soviet and then Russian army actually always supported just one side (Abkhaz in Georgia, Transnistrians in Moldova, postcommunists in Tajikistan, etc.) The 'peacekeeping' here is just as valid term as 'protection', when provided by racketeers.

Re:Europe... (1)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 5 years ago | (#27492689)

No propaganda, please!

And now think _why_ Russian army had to support minorities. And why minorities greeted army with open arms.

Re:Europe... (1, Insightful)

richlv (778496) | more than 5 years ago | (#27491763)

"russian peacekeepers". mwahaha.
really, cut that crap. being occupied by russia for a good 50 years, and seeing what happens at it's borders after the period (georgia, anybody ?) we know quite well what their peacekeeping means.

we also have seen the financing from russia working to keep up such local "movements". stop. we don't want to be occupied by you anymore, we don't want to be deported to siberia, we don't want to suffer from your atrocities anymore. try to understand that, work hard, and maybe, maybe in 50 years you will be respected by your neighbours, as opposed to fear and hatred.

Re:Europe... (0)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 5 years ago | (#27491921)

"really, cut that crap. being occupied by russia for a good 50 years, and seeing what happens at it's borders after the period (georgia, anybody ?) we know quite well what their peacekeeping means."

Well, Georgia shot first. So? I fail to see tanks rolling through the streets of Tbilisi.

"we also have seen the financing from russia working to keep up such local "movements". stop. "

If you have already forgotten, USSR was broke and penniless when local conflicts first flared up in the ex-USSR. That's also when a lot of atrocities were committed by anti-Soviet nationalistic movements.

Let me guess, you're from Poland?

Re:Europe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27492131)

That pattern was repeated several times during the USSR collapse (in Georgia and Armenia). Russian peacekeepers were able to stop these conflicts before they turned into full-scale civil wars.

Really? [wikipedia.org]

Re:Europe... (1)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 5 years ago | (#27492671)

That was hardly a full-scale civil war.

Re:Europe... (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489815)

And don't forget that Transnistria has official relations with the Kremlim much like South Ossetia does.

Igor Smirnov [wikipedia.org] (the head of Transnistria) just recently had a cordial meeting with the Russian President.

Re:Europe... (1)

vally_manea (911530) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489917)

As a romanian I can say that everyone wants Moldova to reunite but that is not going to happen since Russia is using Moldova as a buffer to Nato/EU.

Re:Europe... (1, Flamebait)

dblackshell (1450807) | more than 5 years ago | (#27491237)

... as a Romanian I can tell you that some (like myself) don't give a damn about Moldova, as they don't give a shit about Romania...

Oh, I remember now, they call upon our help when there are major problems (or for profit)... now that's what I call brotherhood relationship.

Re:Europe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27491767)

Yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it (I'm a romanian too)

Re:Europe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27491517)

As a Romanian I can also say that everyone I know 100% wants Moldova to re-unite.

Azi noapte la Prut, razboiul a nceput,
Romanii trec dincolo iara,
Sa ia inapoi prin arme si scut,
Mosia pierduta asta vara.
Refren: Mergem in campia Basarabilor,
Plina de grane, plina de dor.
Si n Bucovina cu manastiri si brazi,
Mergem la lupta dragi camarazi.
Azi Prutul uneste pe fratii Romani,
Si Nistrul al nostru e iara,
Iar Bugu-;i hotar, intre noi si pagani,
Din Tisa la Bug vrem hotare.
Refren: ......
Traiasca Romanul si Patria sa
Ca n vremuri de odinioara,
Nimic nu vom da, pe veci vom jura,
Credinta in Rege si Tara. ;)

Re:Europe... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27491561)

Most Romanians want to reunite with Moldova(and I'm talking here about 99.9%), there are thousands of Moldavians in every major University in Romania, in mine too, we speak the same language and share the same culture and history. We even offered to enter the EU together with Moldova as a single country, which we wore before the USSR ripped it away.

Let me put this clear for you: Romania and Moldova used to be the same country until WWII, The Republic Moldova is just a part of the historic region of Romania called Moldova(since 1359), a big part of it still lies in Romania. The USSR performed ethnic and cultural clensing there, the comunists even went so far as to trying to forbid the teaching of the Romanian language.

Since before the ellections, Romanian citizens woren't allowed to enter Moldova, and now Moldovan citizens that are currently in Romania aren't allow to go back into their own country !

There is probably going to be a millitary intervention this night, since the students even assaulted the national television while the president was there in the studio.

In Romania we went trough something simillar in 1989, it started in the city I'm studying in, Timisoara. A simillar student protest ended in the millitary shooting in the mass of students and killing not only students but everyone who was on the streets. It was a real horror show troughout the country.

If something simillar happens in Moldova I can only hope it's going to come to a millitary intervention from Romania or NATO. The revolution in Romania ended with over one thousand dead and thousands wounded, most of which wore students. I really hope other countries won't just stand by and let the same thing happen again. It's only come so far because romanian officialls allways wore big cowards afraid to say anything that would upset their Moldavian counterparts, or anyone else for that matter. If they won't do anything this time eyther, we're going to start protesting in the same manner.

Re:Europe... (1)

dblackshell (1450807) | more than 5 years ago | (#27492093)

from the way you speak, and the protests your speaking about I assume you are a member of "Noua Dreapta", an ultra-nationalist organization...

Moldova and Romania have moved on two separate roads, and it's not our right, not our duty to intervene. There is no room for "divine" intervention, if they want to go through with this they'll have to sort it out themselves.

Just take as an example the way that the US cleaned Iraq from dictatorship. Now there are more bomb attacks, political conflicts, etc that anyone would have imagined. The changing of the system can only be done by their citizens, intervention may be interpreted by the communist party as a lack of power from the people they rule.

If you and your ultra nationalist party are rebelled by what's happening, I invite you and your little fellas to go in Moldova and sort things out.

Re:Europe... (1)

adyroman (878107) | more than 5 years ago | (#27491677)

Well actually the people of Moldova didn't actually want to unite with Romania in the early 90s. A poll in '92 showed that 70% of the people in Moldova were against the unification with Romania.

Re:Europe... (2, Funny)

T.E.D. (34228) | more than 5 years ago | (#27492545)

there's the communists in power, and so on. Doesn't surprise me much that they're going the same way as the Orange Revolution in Ukraine ... Totally OT: Moldova has the BEST wine and the CRAZIEST Nightclubs.

So they party like it's 1984?

Revolution? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27489241)

You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by the
Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
The revolution will not make you look five pounds
thinner, because the revolution will not be
televised, Brother.

There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32 or report from 29 districts.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving For just the proper occasion.

Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and
Hooterville Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and women will not care if Dick finally gets down with Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock
news and no pictures of hairy armed women
liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be right back after a message
bbout a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
The revolution will not go better with Coke.
The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
The revolution will put you in the driver's seat.

The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
The revolution will be live.

Re:Revolution? (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489325)

tldr

Re:Revolution? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27489595)

tldr

Too Lazy; Didn't Revolt?

Re:Revolution? (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489779)

tldr

Too Lazy; Didn't Revolt?

No. Tweeter Leads: Do Revolt

Re:Revolution? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27489391)

You will not be able to stay home, brother. You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out. You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip, Skip out for beer during commercials, Because the revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox In 4 parts without commercial interruptions. The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary. The revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be brought to you by the Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia. The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal. The revolution will not get rid of the nubs. The revolution will not make you look five pounds thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother. There will be no pictures of you and Willie May pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run, or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance. NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32 or report from 29 districts. The revolution will not be televised. There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down brothers in the instant replay. There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down brothers in the instant replay. There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process. There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving For just the proper occasion. Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and women will not care if Dick finally gets down with Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people will be in the street looking for a brighter day. The revolution will not be televised. There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock news and no pictures of hairy armed women liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose. The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb, Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth. The revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be right back after a message bbout a white tornado, white lightning, or white people. You will not have to worry about a dove in your bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl. The revolution will not go better with Coke. The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath. The revolution will put you in the driver's seat. The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised, will not be televised, will not be televised. The revolution will be no re-run brothers; The revolution will be live.

Burmashave

Oblig. GB2 (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27489317)

I, Vigo, the Scourge of Carpathia, the Sorrow of Moldavia, command you!

The riots of 2005 in France we're powered by blogs (2, Interesting)

Assoupis (758320) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489345)

As told in a lot of reports. But the government can't do much when suddenly it's stormed from everywhere, and after days and days of riots, some cop say: "hey I saw a blog that calls for this demonstration that was more like an angry mob !" I even think they didn't manage to close one of those blog. Also the election of 2004 in Spain, which happened three days after the Madrid train bombing, was won by the socialists, even though national TV was continually broadcasting that the ETA made those bombing (the ETA is a left wing basque nationalist group). Manuel Castells, a Spanish sociologist claim that everybody in the country was just SMSing all day for those three days, since it was clear for anyone left wing that it wasn't the ETA: the ETA usually claim their attacks, and do not usually target civilian.

Re:The riots of 2005 in France we're powered by bl (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489641)

Sounds like a plan to me.

It isn't the government that needs to be stormed though... it is the Federal Reserve Bank.

People hear so much about the government borrowing money to give to businesses and lower banks, but where does it come from? The Federal Reserve? People would have you think it is coming from China and other foreign investors, but when THEY aren't investing, where are those dollars coming from? Ah yes, the Federal Reserve... the private bank that has exclusive right to print and distribute currency. So the government borrows from the Federal Reserve Bank... but wait?! Isn't the Federal Reserve Bank part of the government? Nope. If that were the case, the government debt wouldn't go up... can't have debt without owing someone. In this case, it's the Federal Reserve Bank.

I can't say that the money supply would be any better off in the hands of Congress and the executive branch, but I think there would be less propensity to spend money that we don't have. (Look at it this way, the invention of the credit card has enabled people to grow staggering debt... the credit institution that is the Federal Reserve Bank has enabled the government to grow staggering debt.) But one thing is for certain. The Federal Reserve Bank has undue command and control over the destiny of the U.S. and there are only two solutions to that problem.

1. Add their function the the U.S. Constitution and ratify them as a fourth branch of government
2. Abolish the dependence on the Federal Reserve Bank and restore the powers of the Treasury department

Re:The riots of 2005 in France we're powered by bl (1)

VShael (62735) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489967)

I can't say that the money supply would be any better off in the hands of Congress

Maybe you can't, but a lot of smart people pointed that out. (The Founders) Mind you, they weren't talking about a congress full of corrupt incomptent idiots... or maybe they were, and they still thought it was better than bankers.

Re:The riots of 2005 in France we're powered by bl (1)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 5 years ago | (#27490035)

But the government can't do much when suddenly it's stormed from everywhere,

You believe that do you? This is an armed and violent attack on the government. The government can deploy troops with heavy caliber machine guns with armor piercing rounds. Those rounds will go through two or more people. Bring in tanks from the rear. Now you have a squeeze play, with the rioters trapped between machine guns in the front and machine guns on tanks advancing towards them in the back. Lets not forget white phosphorous rounds, flame throwers, napalm.

There is plenty the government can do. While the rioters, and apparently you, believe they are untouchable and immortal, all it takes is seeing a couple of hundred people in the front die in less than five minutes to break the will or most mobs.

Re:The riots of 2005 in France we're powered by bl (1)

b100dian (771163) | more than 5 years ago | (#27491925)

Several thousands moldovans it's like 50% of the country's young people atm. It's like millions in New York.

If you do that, you will lose the survivors too (they will move to Romania, Ucraina or other countries).

Again, if you do that, the elders will still replace you. And you will die in pain.

Change they can believe in? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27489425)

Wow people literally taking back their country, anything #U.S._Corruption yet?

Moldova? A Seinfeld Episode? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27489495)

Wasn't there a Seinfeld episode where Jerry couldn't remember the name of a country?

Re:Moldova? A Seinfeld Episode? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27489633)

OMG that was so funny. Did you see the one where that lady was wearing a bra and it made Kramer crash the car?

Example Tweet (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27489525)

Alright, we've got to overthrow those assholes running this country. And we've got to do it in 140 characters or less. So I want everyone to

Re:Example Tweet (5, Funny)

mike260 (224212) | more than 5 years ago | (#27491895)

brb rvltn

perhaps the first... (1)

cekander (848307) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489579)

but certainly not the last.

viva la revolucion!

So? (1)

spartacus_prime (861925) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489607)

4chan (and related sites) have been used to organize things similar to this for a long time. Flashmobs too. Just because it's Twiter doesn't mean it's unheard of.

Re:So? (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489869)

I suppose they stood outside the White House holding blown-up printouts of Goatse.

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27489871)

4chan (and related sites) have been used to organize things similar to this for a long time.

Storming a department store or ballpark isn't quite the same thing. :)

Video streams (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27489651)

Here you can see what's going on: http://www.antena3.ro/live.php [antena3.ro] http://live.stirileprotv.ro/stream3/ [stirileprotv.ro]

Re:Video streams (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27489789)

The customs with Romania are blocked, moldavian students cannot enter Moldova; the capital city, Chisinau, is blocked out by military forces, people from other cities cannot enter in Chisinau; the internet is mostly down, all non-comunist tv stations are shut down; the national tv station broadcasts shows for kids. Gas bombs, water and petards are used against the protesters. The gov't currently blames external parties for the organization, especially Romania. An illusion is created that makes the protesters very violent. Most of that is for motivating the implication of army forces. It looks like the army should attack the protesters by night.

Remember when... (1)

PuckstopperGA (1204112) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489657)

Remember when students actually stood for something and raged against the machine, instead of for it? Nice to see that still exists somewhere.

Re:Remember when... (2, Insightful)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489843)

Once you have stopped/destroyed "the machine", what will replace it?

Darn! (1)

BenEnglishAtHome (449670) | more than 5 years ago | (#27489749)

Moldova is on my short list of places I want to visit in this world before I die. I'm happy to go places that aren't exactly tourist-ready but any place where "students are storming the presidency and parliament" is just too unstable to contemplate.

Cross Moldova off the list for now. Maybe in a couple of years, though.

Re:Darn! (1)

xenolion (1371363) | more than 5 years ago | (#27490963)

Think of this if you went now you can blend in and take some stuff from the presidents office for one of a kind souvenirs..

internet kill switch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27489875)

is this why Obama wants an internet kill switch?
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/06/1617202 [slashdot.org]

Re:internet kill switch (1)

Areyoukiddingme (1289470) | more than 5 years ago | (#27491733)

Evidently there IS an Internet kill switch in Moldovia. The whole country is offline. The major news portal that is normally hosted inside the country has put up a temporary site for itself hosted outside. See the unimedia link further down the comments.

new world order lords (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27489993)

WATCH AND LEARN!

Dilbert (0)

gambit3 (463693) | more than 5 years ago | (#27490055)

Seriously, am I the only one that thought "isn't that the fictional Dilbert country" when I first read this?

Re:Dilbert (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27492071)

Probably not... as there are a lot more slashdotters living in basements that know all the provinces and cities of WoW, but just 5 countries in the real world.

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27490201)

Is this one of those "Hey, bring a sleeping bag and a flashlight, we're 'storming' the parliament..." type raids, or are we talking about violence, weapons, true coup d'etat? Because if it's the pillow/sleeping bag kind, I totally want in... Who knows...considering I hadn't even heard of Moldova until today, I might even be able to run the place when they all get tired of beating eachother with bedding implements.

Re:So... (2, Informative)

MonkeyOnATypewriter (1361269) | more than 5 years ago | (#27490659)

Just take a look http://unimedia.info/ [unimedia.info] ! These guys are serious...

Re:So... (1)

Areyoukiddingme (1289470) | more than 5 years ago | (#27491811)

Mod parent up. I let my damn mod points expire...

Unimedia is normally unimedia.md. Inside Moldovia, in other words. They're using outside hosting because everything in .md is down.

They're updating their page chronologically, with timestamps. The parliament building has been occupied since yesterday and..... CNN has yet to notice it. At all. Amazing.

In related news, Moldova has been renamed (1)

Lakitu (136170) | more than 5 years ago | (#27490465)

Students stormed government buildings in what was formerly known as Moldova on Tuesday, setting the stage for revolution. The country has been renamed to recognize its new constituency and has elected a new leader.

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/shaq-hat.jpg [babble.com]

Viva Twitteronia!

One small tool (1)

delirium of disorder (701392) | more than 5 years ago | (#27491537)

I remember that the support groups for the Republic Windows sit down strike [wikipedia.org] used a twitter feed to organize. I also remember that face to face meetings were more important. Tweets are good for flash mobs because they can notify many people very quickly. However, for any mass action to be sustained, you need serious planning and logistical support. Activism can never be coordinated solely over minuscule text messages.

We had something similar in this country (1)

jfern (115937) | more than 5 years ago | (#27491611)

It was called the 2000 election in Florida. You could read about it on the Internet. The only difference was the lack of protests.

Way to go, Moldova! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27493085)

As a Romanian, I am happy to see that the young Moldavian generation is sick of those communist bastards who stole the elections. I mean, really... Countless cemeteries voted for them to pass the 50% needed to win the elections.

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