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Swedish Tax Office Targets Webcam Strippers

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the anything-for-my-job dept.

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Sweden's tax authorities are cracking down on unreported webcam stripper income. They estimate that hundreds of Swedish women are dodging the law, resulting in a tax loss of about 40m Swedish kronor (£3.3m) annually. The search involves tax officials examining stripper websites, hours upon hours, for completely legitimate purposes. A slightly disheveled project leader said 200 Swedish strippers had been investigated so far, adding the total could be as much as 500. "They are young girls, we can see from the photos. We think that perhaps they are not well informed about the rules," he said.

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Seriously? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27533143)

Who are they, their pimps?

Re:Seriously? (5, Insightful)

deraj123 (1225722) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533883)

Isn't that basically the relationship we all have with the government?

Re:Seriously? (4, Interesting)

scorp1us (235526) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533959)

When you have an income tax, the government is everyone's pimp. The government can extract anything from its taxpayers with little recourse.

When the US started the income tax it was 1% on incomes over $250,000 (adjusted) We now tax everyone 20-30% of anyone making over $600. Furthermore, your "fair share" is determined on how productive in enterprising you are. The more you stimulate the economy, the more you're penalized for it.

I wish people in the US would realize that the more people in government there is, the exponentially more the burden on private enterprise. Assume 1 government worker in a population of 100 can pay 20% of their salary (say $1000) back. The remaining 80% of that salary comes from private enterprise. Now, imagine 99 government workers and one private enterprise person. We then have a $76,200 bill to be paid by one person. Good luck with that.

Today fully one half of Americans receive federal funding in some way. Good luck with that.

We have a federal debt of 12 Trillion dollars and a $1+ trillion deficit this year alone. Our taxes should be 60%. But our unborn have no representation in congress. I love those Obama girls. I can't wait to tap them - for their taxes!

Of course, it is the income tax that allows this. It is so easy to collect as as long as we can keep raising it, we'll keep demanding more and more. Good luck with that.

With a consumption tax this kind of spending would be impossible.

"We need to investigate this... closely..." (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27533163)

"I'd like to volunteer for this job myself."

Re:"We need to investigate this... closely..." (2, Funny)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533797)

The search involves tax officials examining stripper websites, hours upon hours, for completely legitimate purposes.

Yes, I do this all the time too. I wonder if I can use this line with my boss?

Hiring? (5, Funny)

natespizer (1362373) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533165)

Are they hiring?

Re:Hiring? (4, Interesting)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533225)

Interesting comment, that I'm sure plenty are thinking. So how does this sentiment reflect on those who hunt for child-porn prosecution purposes? What better place for a predator than to have offensive material sent to them as a "necessary" part of their job?

Re:Hiring? (4, Interesting)

DavidChristopher (633902) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533309)



Well, In this case, they're not looking for some kind of morality charged justice to be handed out, they're looking for tax revenue.

But it remains an Interesting point. You're basically asking "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" When those who are tasked to protect the weak exploit the weak, who will protect us from our protectors?

Re:Hiring? (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533369)

I'm fairly certain that, were you to be into kiddie porn, you'd be looking at it more than necessary and be noticed by those around you or be caught with it outside an investigation. It's an interesting idea, but I don't think it would work out quite as well as you're implying.

Re:Hiring? (2, Funny)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533647)

I think most of these sites are self-run. I don't think you need to be hired.

Re:Hiring? (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533671)

It's not a job you'd want. After the first 100 or 1000 sites you visit, it becomes just another site rather than a perv's dream.

How on earth... (3, Funny)

DavidChristopher (633902) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533179)

...do these people land these porn watching jobs?

Mind you, I'd probably look a little disheveled too if I had to watch porn for a living.

I Volunteer... (1)

TexasCelt (189206) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533185)

OK, so what red-blooded geek male *wouldn't* want that job, tracking down the perps?

Re:I Volunteer... (-1, Flamebait)

Samschnooks (1415697) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533295)

OK, so what red-blooded geek male *wouldn't* want that job, tracking down the perps?

Strippers or any other woman in the sex industry basically thinks men are "suckers" and "losers". All women in the sex industry are head cases. Stay away from them.

Re:I Volunteer... (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533539)

Probably for roughly the same reasons that phone support techs think that users are "idiots" and "losers"...

Just as working phone support means dealing with the self-selected population of users-who-can't-figure-it-out-for-themselves, being in the sex industry would mean dealing with the self-selected population of men who can't, or don't want to bother, inducing people to see sex with them as something one doesn't need to be compensated for.

Re:I Volunteer... (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533783)

Probably for roughly the same reasons that phone support techs think that users are "idiots" and "losers"...

Because phone support techs are the absolute smartest people in the world? What's that got to do with strippers? (I'm not a phone support tech, so I can't see the connection that may be obvious.)

Re:I Volunteer... (1)

rjstegbauer (845926) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533563)

This sounds like you are speaking from experience.

Well?

Re:I Volunteer... (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533757)

It was written to sound that way, regardless of said experience.

Re:I Volunteer... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27533659)

I see you got the "user" perspective.
When I was in college in Miami, I used to have some girls working for me, so I could keep my lifestyle.
I provided them with basic infrastructure (phones, bedrooms at my apartment on the beach, taxi rides) and some bodyguards to help them when they were going to outcalls.
Besides my part of their money, they used to give me plenty of free sex, and they are the best women to deal with, as they think they are totally worthless, so if you ORDER (like a MALE, COMMANDING them! Not like a fag-geek, begging...) them to do anything they will do without a sigh.
This is a rough life we have out there. But girls in the sex industry are really fragile and cool ones, if you are not on their "customer" perspective...

Re:I Volunteer... (1)

thedonger (1317951) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533837)

Until you get herpes, HIV, syphilis, etc. Just because you may have had a jimmy-wrap on your peckerwood doesn't make it safe.

Re:I Volunteer... (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533979)

When I was in college in Miami, I used to have some girls working for me, so I could keep my lifestyle. I provided them with basic infrastructure (phones, bedrooms at my apartment on the beach, taxi rides) and some bodyguards to help them when they were going to outcalls. Besides my part of their money, they used to give me plenty of free sex, and they are the best women to deal with, as they think they are totally worthless, so if you ORDER (like a MALE, COMMANDING them! Not like a fag-geek, begging...) them to do anything they will do without a sigh.

What a revelation.

I am definitely not new here, and I am accustomed to reading opinions with which I disagree on Slashdot, and I don't have a problem with that. But I don't recall encountering an unrepentant asswipe pimp on this forum before.

I have never seen any point in making a "foes" list here, but if you had the balls to post non-AC you would be on it.

Re:I Volunteer... (1)

I_Voter (987579) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533785)

Samschnooks wrote:
Strippers or any other woman in the sex industry basically thinks men are "suckers" and "losers". All women in the sex industry are head cases.
---------
Is the distance provided by an internet connection far enough away?

Also this could just be their natural response to men who believe in "free love."

I_Voter
Work in Proggress
Political Power in the U.S. [tinyurl.com]

Re:I Volunteer... (3, Insightful)

Darth (29071) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533969)

Strippers or any other woman in the sex industry basically thinks men are "suckers" and "losers". All women in the sex industry are head cases. Stay away from them.

i have a very good friend who is a stripper. She is not a head case and does not think negatively about men in general. Though she does think poorly of some men, it is for reasons specific to the individuals.
Through her, i have met a few other strippers who were also charming and friendly people (my interactions with them were not in strip clubs, so there was no potential monetary incentive for their behaviour).

Some strippers are head cases. Some are junkies. For some, it's a service industry job that pays well and allows them to have a very flexible schedule.

Re:I Volunteer... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27533301)

Vulcan blood is green, you insensitive clod! And close the basement door on the way up!

Re:I Volunteer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27533807)

Don't get emotional, now.

Well... (3, Funny)

Dracil (732975) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533191)

"When we investigated the sites manually it worked better," he added.

What he really meant to say was, there was a lot more motivation and job satisfaction when they investigated it manually.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27533267)

Yea, I can't help but think that this is more a scam to allow the tax officials to look at strippers while at work. But that does beg the question, what is left to do when you go home in the evening?

Re:Well... (4, Funny)

dzfoo (772245) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533329)

Overtime!

Re:Well... (4, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533567)

Manually, adverb. "By means of the hand."

I suspect that there may have been, shall we say, more than one "manual investigation" going on...

Re:Well... (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 5 years ago | (#27534029)

You mean like...

$ man woman
No manual entry for woman
$

Serious matter (1)

riceboy50 (631755) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533195)

They are being sure to give this close, personal attention.

Do they even know they need to report it?!? (4, Insightful)

Samschnooks (1415697) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533259)

Ya know, there's these reports in the news about folks who are "breaking tax laws" and what not. Let me ask you folks this, How many of you check your local tax laws before engaging in a money making activity? I don't. I go ahead and worry about the tax consequences later.

It's bad for an economy when an entrepreneur has to first take into consideration the taxes before engaging in a business enterprise or even consider them. That's just idiotic.

Taxes are a necessity for a society, but when they become a burden and retard entrepreneurial activity, then its tax structure needs to be examined.

Yes, BTW, I think prostitution should be legal.

Re:Do they even know they need to report it?!? (1)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533307)

It's bad for an economy when an entrepreneur has to first take into consideration the taxes before engaging in a business enterprise or even consider them.

Getting a new "tax card" from your local tax office before engaging in any kind of serious employment is how it's done in many parts of the world, from Finland to Japan. You worry about taxes before the money starts rolling in, not when you have to file like in the US. Is that bad for the economy? I don't think so, as plenty of states with high standards of living work like this.

Re:Do they even know they need to report it?!? (2, Interesting)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533469)

How many of you check your local tax laws before engaging in a money making activity?

In most countries, as well as the United States, if you are engaging in any legal 'money making activity' you have to claim the income on your taxes, for sufficient values of income. (If the activity is illegal, claming it on your taxes is among the least of your problems. :)

Of course, lots and lots of income often goes unreported because people either forget to claim it or deliberately don't claim it. Getting caught entails high penalties in many countries. OTOH, if you get paid in cash and neither party reports it ("under the table") getting caught is difficult at best.

Re:Do they even know they need to report it?!? (4, Interesting)

Tacvek (948259) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533861)

Yes. It is always A good idea to report all illegal income on the tax form. There is a special spot for it on the US tax forms, although I believe having a non-zero value for that line is is considered sufficient to issue an arrest/search warrant. (More on that later). Therefore The best course is to add it into the general income. I think that might technically be fraud, but the IRS would be very reluctant to prosecute any fraud that results in a greater amount of tax income.

Many organized criminals have been very well known, with the police being pretty darn certain about various crimes that have been committed, but lacking enough evidence to obtain warrants. It is often quite possible that with a search warrant They could find enough evidence, but they lack the evidence to get a search warrant, and are rarely ever confident that they would find enough evidence to convict if a search warrant was executed. The last thing they want to do is upset a organized criminal by executing a search warrant, but end up with insufficient evidence to arrest him/her. Often times by the time they have enough evidence for a particular crime, the statute of limitations has made it impossible to prosecute them for it. But if the crime resulted in unlawful income that was not reported on the tax forms, they can still charge them with tax fraud.

Little of that is probably news to those reading this post. But the important thing to remember is that quite a bit of that also applies to white collar crime. So the best course of action is to report any unlawful income, but not in the designated location, so as to avoid giving the police reason to obtain warrants. Not that I advocate having illegal income, but if you are going to do it, you might as well do it right.

Re:Do they even know they need to report it?!? (2, Insightful)

dwye (1127395) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533915)

> (If the activity is illegal, claming it on your taxes is among the least of your problems. :)

Tell that to Al Capone.

Re:Do they even know they need to report it?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27533951)

if you are engaging in any legal

illegal income must also be claimed or they will get for tax evasion also.

Remember, the police have other things to do (give out sweet money making traffic tickets) than hunt your ass down. But the IRS doesn't. The IRS will spend $1000000 to get that $0.50 you owe. Don't. Fuck. With. Them.

Re:Do they even know they need to report it?!? (1)

mea37 (1201159) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533557)

I don't check my local tax laws, because I know the law is pretty simple in that regard. "If you make money, you must report it" isn't the complex part of the tax code. (If you want to get technical, that may be read as "if you make/lose more than $1" instead of "if you make money"; but that's no practical difference.)

But hey, I'm in the U.S. Maybe there are complex rules for which income you report in Sweden. I doubt it, but maybe.

Re:Do they even know they need to report it?!? (4, Insightful)

MoellerPlesset2 (1419023) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533579)

Ya know, there's these reports in the news about folks who are "breaking tax laws" and what not. Let me ask you folks this, How many of you check your local tax laws before engaging in a money making activity? I don't. I go ahead and worry about the tax consequences later.

Ignorance of the law has never been an excuse for violating it. Besides which, it's not as if 'income tax' is something most people have never heard of. And 'worrying about the consequences later' is hardly a good idea in Sweden, for instance, where you're liable to incur a tax penalty for not registering beforehand.

It's bad for an economy when an entrepreneur has to first take into consideration the taxes before engaging in a business enterprise or even consider them. That's just idiotic.

No, 'idiotic' would be to start a business without taking taxes into consideration, as well as any other expenditures. Also, any other laws and regulations that might apply to the business you're doing.

Taxes are a necessity for a society, but when they become a burden and retard entrepreneurial activity, then its tax structure needs to be examined.

Either your employer withholds tax and pays it for you, or the responsibility is on your head. (Well actually it's always on your head, ultimately) How is that difficult?

Re:Do they even know they need to report it?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27533711)

Agree 100%
UK used to have 0% tax for new businesses, but that was before my first venture, and they scrapped that unfortunately.

I have started a business in the UK but didn't quite get past the first bureaucracy hurdle.
The point between starting up, and being able to employ the number magicians to deal with VAT and corporation tax. Having health & safety manual updates, thicker than encyclopaedia Britannica posted though the door is pretty intimidating.

Anyway, my current enterprise is internet only and involves no physical goods. I incorporated offshore right from the get go, and it's really simplified a lot of things. Including paying UK taxes AT ALL!

Entrepreneurs tend to be sort of not that good at a lot of things; and tax is boring as hell, so governments would be smart to keep it simpler than BASIC.

Re:Do they even know they need to report it?!? (1)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533829)

It's bad for an economy when an entrepreneur has to first take into consideration the taxes before engaging in a business enterprise or even consider them. That's just idiotic.

No it isn't. Just like it isn't bad to check up on safety regulations before venturing into a business. It's also very inexpensive. I registered a company by paying my cpa $200. I have an LLC. My cpa then told me what I had to do for taxes. It was quite simple. It's also good for the economy.

Yes, BTW, I think prostitution should be legal.

Depending where you live it may be. Depending where you live, even if it isn't, the cops get bribed and turn a blind eye. But this is not prostitution it's video and that is legal in most countries.

Cue the Slashdot libertards (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27533281)

I'm sure there's an imminent wave of libertarian-minded folks who are ready to defend some kind of right to not pay taxes, even though the American founding fathers envisioned taxation as a natural part of government, They had only a problem only with taxation without representation, and I think Sweden can be fairly described as a representative democracy (trappings of old monarchy aside).

Re:Cue the Slashdot libertards (1)

dzfoo (772245) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533359)

I believe they also had a problem with a large Federal Government, which is the reason that there wasn't any provision for it to tax the citizens directly.

        -dZ.

Re:Cue the Slashdot libertards (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533587)

Because as we all know, every single one of the founding fathers made decisions in unison with an absolute agreement amongst themselves in a sealed off bubble from which they were only exposed to the true will of the people...

The founding fathers were some amazing thinkers, and we should continue to review their work to learn more about our experiment called Democracy. But they were far from infallible and rarely of one mind.

Lumping them all together in a homogenized "they" really whittles away a lot of the intricacies and strife that they dealt with in coming to compromises that lead to the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.

-Rick

Re:Cue the Slashdot libertards (1)

dzfoo (772245) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533813)

Wow, I really do not know what your comment adds to our discussion. Should I have broken down my comment into a list of those who approved of a large and powerful Federal Government and those who didn't, with names and weighed ratings either way?

Sure, lumping them all into a single "they" oversimplifies their position, but there is ample documented evidence that at least the majority was opposed to a centralized, all-powerful Federal Government, who thought that the power should be instead mostly concentrated on the States.

      -dZ.

Re:Cue the Slashdot libertards (1)

capnchicken (664317) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533531)

libertard, huh? ... oh, sorry, I'm supposed to bite (even though this is an article about Sweden).
Here ya go:
U.S. Constitution Article 1, Section 9, Clause 4

No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

Re:Cue the Slashdot libertards (4, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533533)

At the foundation of the United States, taxation == property taxes. Income taxes were never envisioned, and when they were passed after the Civil War to pay for reconstruction of the South, many commentators thought they were unconstitutional. Many people still think they are unconstitutional.

Re:Cue the Slashdot libertards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27533809)

Not quite.

Lincoln instituted an income tax during the Civil War to pay for it. That tax was struck down as unconstitutional.

Re:Cue the Slashdot libertards (3, Informative)

DrgnDancer (137700) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533833)

Except you know, they amended [wikipedia.org] the Constitution to make them not unconstitutional. That's why the whole "amendment" procedure was included in the first place. How precisely can something be unconstitutional when a legally passed Amendment to the Constitution explicitly allows it?

Re:Cue the Slashdot libertards (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533943)

You're nitpicking and attacking a rather minor point. The OP stated that the Founding Fathers of the United States of America envisioned a country run by taxes. Since we are talking specificially about income taxes, the OP effectively implied that the Founding Fathers envisioned a country that was run by income taxes. I believe I effectively refuted this by pointing out that the income taxes were never envisioned by the Founding Fathers, especially since they wouldn't be enacted until well after they were all dead.

The fact that they passed an amendment had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Founding Fathers original vision for the country.

Re:Cue the Slashdot libertards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27534037)

Only for the same reason an Amendment to the Constitution allowing murder is anathema to the document, so is the taxation amendment.

BTW the Supreme Court ruled the amendment conferred no new taxing authority

Re:Cue the Slashdot libertards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27533553)

As a Swedish citizen, I'd like to remind you that Sweden is probably THE most liberal country in the world, and I mean liberal as in the European view, not the American one you have.

And yes, we're a representative democracy, and no, the monarchy have no powers, they are a PR stunt for Sweden internationally.

Re:Cue the Slashdot libertards (1)

funkatron (912521) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533733)

I'm not disagreeing with taxes but I thought I'd point out that the American founding fathers are not automatically right about everything. Isn't using "the American founding fathers said $X" as a reason for $X a bit lazy.

Being informed about the rules (5, Insightful)

Peter Cooper (660482) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533293)

"They are young girls, we can see from the photos. We think that perhaps they are not well informed about the rules," he said.

People are almost never well informed about the rules. When I left school, I didn't get a book of laws that informed me I'd have to pay tax (and how). The only reason I knew what to do was because I took advice from other self employed family members, so I've paid all my taxes throughout the years, no problems.

But.. a lot of people sell things at casual sales, barter services, and do things online without paying tax. It's wrong, but I have a little sympathy for them, because this stuff just isn't taught in schools and the authorities don't go to any lengths to inform people about taxation issues. I mean, how many regular folks who barter things pay the tax on those transactions? Most people I know wouldn't even realize they have to!

Re:Being informed about the rules (1)

bjourne (1034822) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533527)

When I started my business I didn't know the rules either. So I went to some seminars arranged by Skatteverket (the tax department in Sweden) which explained a lot of things about taxes. I also went to their website www.skatteverket.se and phoned their toll-free help line and asked lots of stupid questions which they were more than happy to answer. I'm still making mistakes of course because the tax forms are damn hard to understand.

But the "I'm to stupid to know the rules" defense really doesn't hold, considering the wealth of information that is available out there. If you are smart enough to know how to get men to pay you for getting naked on a web cam, then you are also smart enough to know that, duh, you have to pay tax for it.

Re:Being informed about the rules (1)

capnchicken (664317) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533649)

If you are smart enough to know how to get men to pay you for getting naked on a web cam, then you are also smart enough to know that, duh, you have to pay tax for it.

I'm pretty sure you don't have to be too smart to be a prostitute. Even lesser mammals can figure it out. [telegraph.co.uk]

Re:Being informed about the rules (1)

lazarusdishwasher (968525) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533559)

I mean, how many regular folks who barter things pay the tax on those transactions?

Most taxes I have seen are based on percentages, and People that barter with me usually want to trade food for computer help. In situations like this do I send the IRS the leftovers?

Re:Being informed about the rules (1)

dwye (1127395) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533635)

In the USA, you only have to pay taxes on barter if you barter what you would otherwise be paid to do. Thus, trading food for computer help given by a carpenter is tax free, as is carpentry by a user consultant.

If you do computer help for a living, price the meal, and declare it on the tax forms.

I am not a tax attorney, of course, but I knew people who had to declare these, a few years ago. Rules may have changed. Your mileage may vary. Past performance is no guarantee of future earnings. Etc.

Re:Being informed about the rules (2, Funny)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533855)

Or you could phrase it like most people think about it "you only have to pay taxes on barter if you barter what you would otherwise be paid to do and you think the IRS will be able to find out about it and prove a substantial amount of barter".

Re:Being informed about the rules (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27533573)

You mean, other than having an entire agency of the government set up to help people learn the rules?
http://www.sba.gov/
Oh look, my state has one, too:
http://www.calbusiness.ca.gov/

Re:Being informed about the rules (2, Insightful)

Deagol (323173) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533613)

"But.. a lot of people sell things at casual sales, barter services, and do things online without paying tax. It's wrong..."

Yeah, it's *illegal* in the strictest sense, but wrong?!? Taxing barter particularly chaps my hide, as actual currency isn't exchanged. It's not like people who don't pay sales/income taxes for sales of this nature aren't contributing to taxes via sales/VAT taxes further down stream. Sure, the feds won't see any of it, except maybe on gas taxes (at least here in the U.S.), but then again, money spent at retail gets taxed by the feds anyway (taxes of employees and the corporation itself).

In reality, the money made "under the table" by these women (or any other "underground economy" transaction) always gets taxed downstream anyway. I truly don't see what the big deal is.

Re:Being informed about the rules (1)

Pollardito (781263) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533621)

I bet a lot of these girls have day jobs where they've grown accustomed to the idea of paying income tax on the money they make. Even if they don't, the idea of paying income tax on the money you earn is not nearly as obscure as collecting sales tax on bartered goods would be.

A better comparison would be with people who get paid by a neighbor to watch their kids for the night (or some other odd job) and who then don't declare that income. But the regularity of the work and the level of income that the people in this situation are getting seems like it'd be pretty different from the sorts of odd jobs that slip under most people's radar

You only have to pay tax if you get caught (4, Funny)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533629)

Didn't you know? Ask Timothy Geithner he'll tell you.

 

Re:Being informed about the rules (1)

Frigga's Ring (1044024) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533685)

Good point. I was never taught all these tax rules I need to follow, either. However, when it comes to tax time, there are several sections on the form where I'm supposed to declare any income or purchases that were not taxed: out-of-state purchases or services like plowing my neighbor's driveways, etc.

Assuming there's something like that on the Sweden tax forms, then these girls should be listing their untaxed income from their "web services".

Of course, I don't know too many people who actually declares their out-of-state purchases and untaxed income, but that's a whole other discussion.

Re:Being informed about the rules (1)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533859)

In the US when you buy a product from an online merchant who is from another state then where it is being shipped to there are no taxes assessed. Technically you, the purchaser, are supposed to pay the taxes at year end. The reason they do not force the seller to assess the taxes is because it would be so convoluted and impractical (technology wise) plus paying it at the end of the quarter would be so painstaking the gov't was nice and made it the responsibility of the purchaser.

Actual, direct quote from TFA (5, Funny)

CopaceticOpus (965603) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533313)

"When we investigated the sites manually it worked better," he added.

I'll bet it did.

Re: (1)

born2rock4life (1528619) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533315)

Hey now, what better way to jump start the global economy than busting tax-evading strippers... This could bring in billions... Wait... MILLIONS!

losses, ha? (2, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533347)

They estimate that hundreds of Swedish women are dodging the law, resulting in a tax loss of about 40m Swedish kronor (£3.3m) annually.

- same kinds of losses that RIAA and MPAA and some software firms are complaining about when they are talking about potential sales that were lost.

I am always against taxes, these taxes are some of the more ridiculous ones.

Re:losses, ha? (4, Insightful)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533411)

I am always against taxes, these taxes are some of the more ridiculous ones.

How do you propose paying for the high standard of living (among the highest in the world) in the Nordic countries? When I moved to Finland, I expected to feel a little irked upon seeing 40% of my income taken in taxes, but one I realized just how good we have it here, I say they could take a little more if they needed. While you personally may disagree with high taxation and wish to remain in the US (or even move somewhere cheaper), the strippers who are making loads of money without paying taxes are probably nonetheless enjoying the fruits of the welfare state, which is hypocritical.

taxes can be good (1)

Kashell (896893) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533593)

...in societies with a large, non-diverse population.

The best form of government is indeed the smallest possible, but even then there are things that the government does much better than individuals.

Taxes and government control works even better in democratic societies with group-think, such as Nordic societies and oriental societies.

All you have to do to see the benefits are to look at life expectancy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy#List_by_the_United_Nations_.28average_for_the_2005-2010_period.29

Another interesting point about this list: Notice that democratic countries *without* group think are significantly lower than those *with* group think.

Re:taxes can be good (1)

giorgiofr (887762) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533747)

but even then there are things that the government does much better than individuals.

Such as?

Re:taxes can be good (1)

Kashell (896893) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533939)

Enforcement of property law is the essential purpose of government. Since every individual (even in group-think societies) may have a different opinion on how something should be done, it is necessary to create a concise definition of the agreement. This is the social contract that is so often referred to in works like Leviathan.

Capitalism is a wonderful idea that drives our society, but it is flawed because it assumes that the people who are able to make the most money are also those who act in the best interest of everyone. Government can change the rules of the game so that capitalism truly is for everyone's benefit.

Maslow's hierarchy of needs asserts that the most important thing to the human race is survival. If that is true, then humans must act collectively in the best interests of all to survive.

Without government, businesses would selfishly pollute the environment, and work only in the interest of pleasing the few powerful without providing additional means for human survival on this planet (or on other planets).

Of course, I have choice words for the extreme level of corruption in our American government that breaks just about every good thing that we originally gave them power to do, but non-corrupt governments elsewhere in the world do a whole lotta good.

Wait a second... (4, Funny)

downix (84795) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533357)

Tax agents get to do what?  **preps a resume for the IRS**

All for only $15 a month... (1)

Ranhert (877588) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533403)

Times a few million divided by number of skin dealers

Two Possibilities (1)

Comatose51 (687974) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533445)

Either Slashdot is 9 days behind on its calendar or we've just discovered the best job in the world. If the latter, how do I sign up to work as an investigator for the Swedish government?

Re:Two Possibilities (1)

johnny cashed (590023) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533715)

I was about to say something similar. April fools day was nine days ago.

Re:Two Possibilities (2, Funny)

IdleTime (561841) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533849)

One simple requirement!
You must be able to pronounce, flawlessly the following word: "minoritetsladningsbærerdiffusjonskoeffisientmålingsapparatur"

he said manually (1)

Is0m0rph (819726) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533457)

"When we investigated the sites manually it worked better," he added. --------------- Unfortunately efficiency went out the window with only the most hormonal investigators able to handle more then 3 or 4 strip shows a day.

alt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27533471)

where's the alt tag for this story's photo?

Government goons hot on strippers tracks (2, Interesting)

rumcho (921428) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533489)

There you have it folks: your government acting as the racketeer that they are (again?? lol). And what does the government provide, again, that will entitle them to their "fair share"? The webcams? The business model? The internet connectivity? The "office building"? The wires the stream goes through? The security (pathetic arrogant police)? WHAT EXACTLY? Swedes are taxed to death already in order to get some pathetic healthcare and free education. Now, don't tell me their healthcare is good, please! But this is the result of a mindless brain-dead swedish public who cannot fend for themselves and need the nanny-state to lead them on every step. How pathetic is that! However, this piece of news just proves how the state has been allowed to stick its arrogant snively nose everywhere, even people's pants. Swedish government, you are disgusting! BACK OFF!

Re:Government goons hot on strippers tracks (5, Insightful)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533617)

Look at the Nordic countries before the introduction of the welfare state: massive emigration, with people pressed by hunger and poverty to go to some of the most deserted parts of North America. Now look at them after the introduction of the welfare state: economic successes, with high standards of living, a high level of happiness among the populace, and immigration. And this is a bad thing how?

Re:Government goons hot on strippers tracks (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27533643)

Errr... You've got an issue, we DO have excellent healthcare, the only minus is the "queues", but that'll be fixed soon enough when we let some private healthcare enter the market.

And if it's an income, you'll have to pay, regardless of what it is, and the Swedish government provides the following in this case;

Cheap internet access and the availability of internet connections.

The government most often pays for around 20% of what almost any building in Sweden costs.

The government most certainly HAVE paid for the wires the stream goes trough.

What does police got to do with this?

And by taxed to death, you mean "One of the best standards of living in the world despite paying effectively 53% of our salaries"

The Swedish government fears it's people, more than I could say for the American government, and it's not disgusting, we Swedes complain a lot, but really, our problems are just nuisances compared to the US problems.

Really, educate yourself before saying anything.

Re:Government goons hot on strippers tracks (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533923)

Well, in the USA how much of the income is left after the average US resident pays for taxes and medical insurance?

It might be lower than 53%, but I think what the US people get for their money is inferior in many ways.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States [wikipedia.org]

Re:Government goons hot on strippers tracks (1)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 5 years ago | (#27534043)

"There you have it folks: your government acting as the racketeer that they are (again?? lol)"

Yeah a racketeer that pays for things like roads, telecommunications and lets not forget government bailouts (Citi, AIG) when the free market fails because of stupid people like yourself who don't have any clue about human nature. The fact that it's NOT about ideology, it's that bad people will always exist to fuck up any system, the free market fuckups that almost trashed the global economy were hardly not ardent supporters of deregulation with all their "free market" lobbyists in Washington. It was their own greed that lead to all this mess that now have implications for everyone else. Government isn't perfect but at the end of the day a world without government is a world of economic totalitarianism, quite those "Racketeers" can take on the other free market crimelords (no offense to honest free market supporters).

Lets face it, ideology is not a solution. It's a scapegoat. In any system the it's the people that make the decisions and fuck up. No ideology is going to force people to make good decisions, no matter what you believe.

Humans have been fucking up for centuries and anyone who thinks we just need more ideology along "more free market, a little less government" is completely naive and unread in history.

Take any system and people will find a way to fuck it up. The real world is a lot more complex and messy then hardcore ideologues make it out to be.

webcam strippers (0)

burris (122191) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533491)

I believe the technical term is "cam whore." [thebestpag...iverse.net]

Yummy..... (0, Redundant)

Roskolnikov (68772) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533575)

wow, I suddenly want a job at the Swedish Tax office doing *cough* research.

Taxes (1)

slowgreenturtle (1529437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533597)

You know if there wasn't any income taxes, we wouldn't have to pay more taxes to have government officials chasing down women trying to make a living.

I want a full report! (4, Funny)

Un pobre guey (593801) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533607)

I need a full report immediately. URLs, logins and passwords used for research, all imagery from the sites that will be in the corpus of evidence including videos, names, phone numbers, price structures, everything!

Yeah, right. (4, Funny)

PPH (736903) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533625)

The search involves tax officials examining stripper websites, hours upon hours, for completely legitimate purposes.

We have a slightly different enforcement issue in the Seattle area. Illegal activity in a few strip clubs. The police department spends quite a bit of time and money sending undercover officers to buy lap dances from the women looking for violations. With public funds, of course.

OK guys, what about the activity in the gay clubs? Any volunteers for undercover duty?
[Sound of crickets.]

justified government work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27533641)

All that work for 3.3M in lost revenue? Sounds like a government employee who is trying to justify why he's watching all that porn at work.

The numbers are a bit to big (1)

narooze (845310) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533687)

A Swedish source [dn.se] (Google translation [google.com] ) says that there where a tax loss of 3.6 million SEK and the total income amounted to 40 million SEK, not that the tax loss was of 40 million SEK. The Swedish source also says nothing of these numbers being annually.

Started my own site years ago... (3, Funny)

RemoWilliams84 (1348761) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533697)

and still haven't had to pay a dime in taxes. I guess when you operate at a loss they nothing to tax.

Why do these young girls make so much money, while I (the hairy assed nerd), make nothing?

The line on this is so thin. (4, Interesting)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533743)

If you have a relationship with a girl and she takes her clothes off and you give her thousands of dollars a year, it's not taxable.
Even if you were in a multiple spouse household, it would still be true (multiple guys supporting her).

Without the "relationship" (one date? you don't have to be living together in the same house), it's taxable.

Oblig Porky's Line (1)

dwye (1127395) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533755)

We examined every frame of this disgusting film. Twice!

Is this worth it? (1)

TerranFury (726743) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533759)

They estimate the lost tax revenue at 3.3 million British pounds, which, according to Google, is 4.82724 million U.S. dollars. Let's round to 5 million USD.

Assuming that 5 police officers are paid the equivalent of 60,000 USD a year to do this, and that the investigation takes a year, this will cost Sweden the equivalent of 300,000 USD.

Shucks. So this would be worth it; they'd get a 16x to 17x return on investment... I guess investigating webcam strippers actually does make financial sense for Sweden.

(This of course assumes that their own estimates are accurate, and that mine are reasonable.)

File this under.. (1)

bradgoodman (964302) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533763)

File this one under "Lonely Swedish" ;-)

Hate Strippers (1)

Baldrson (78598) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533793)

Clearly these strippers are an example of Aryan Supremacists attempting to bilk hapless men from around the world out of their money and outsource jobs that should rightfully go to other girls. Can't the European Union do something to stop these Hate Strippers?

What's the pay? (3, Funny)

Mr. Foogle (253554) | more than 5 years ago | (#27533835)

What's the rate for the job of 'scanning the internet for Swedish strippers'? $8.00 an hour? Heck, if that's all I have to pay ...

What must be done (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27533949)

Someone should teach these girls to behave. They've being very naughty.

Where do I sign up? (1)

ddusza (775603) | more than 5 years ago | (#27534059)

I can easily be a disheveled official, checking out Swedish pr0n....:D
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