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D&D Co-Creator Dave Arneson Dies of Cancer

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the rest-in-peace dept.

Role Playing (Games) 71

epee1221 was one of many readers to send word that Dave Arneson, co-creator of Dungeons & Dragons, has died of cancer at the age of 61. "Arneson is often described as an 'unsung hero' in the history of gaming, having been largely eclipsed by his collaborator Gary Gygax. While Gygax was known for developing the rules for Dungeons & Dragons, Arneson's work focused more on the role-playing element. Although the two split up, Arneson continued developing fantasy role-playing content, and later taught game design at Full Sail University." We discussed Gary Gygax's passing just over a year ago.

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So long... (1)

Svartormr (692822) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539161)

,,,and thanks, Dave. Well played. :)

Re:So long... (1)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 5 years ago | (#27540205)


Thanks for the game. You're playing with the Immortals boxed set, now.

Obligatory AND related (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27540445)

Indeed. [giantitp.com]

A Salute to You (4, Insightful)

Leafheart (1120885) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539165)

Rest in Peace, and get yourself a good rest. You earn it very well. If you find an Archons though, give them a swiftly kick on the butt for us.

To the family and friends. He did good in his life. And has a name plate on the history of RPG. I mourn the pass of the creators of my main hobby for the last 15 years.

Now, where did I leave that Blackmoore set?

Re:A Salute to You (1)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 5 years ago | (#27540443)

If you find an Archons though

Will two High Templars do?

Re:A Salute to You (1)

crazybit (918023) | more than 5 years ago | (#27543311)

Thanks to Mr. Arneson I spent endless quality hours with the guys that have been my best friends for almost two decades.

Now you can play along with Mr. Gygax for all eternity.

Rest in Peace.

Thanks (3)

crumbz (41803) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539169)

for the game Dave.

Re:Thanks (2, Funny)

Maelwryth (982896) | more than 5 years ago | (#27540691)

I am tempted to say,"I'm sorry, Dave. You can't do that". Instead I will echo your comment. I had a lot of good times playing Dnd, arguing about the rules, making maps, and most of all imagining.
Thank you.

His demise was tragic, but common (4, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539185)

Eaten by a grue. What a terrible way to go.

DM said... (1, Interesting)

Pictish Prince (988570) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539211)

Ok, Dave, roll under your con on a d20.

Dave: Why?

DM: It's a saving throw against cancer.

Dave (rolls die): Hey! It's cocked!

DM: Yeah, it sure is. Sorry.

Re:DM said... (4, Funny)

Rei (128717) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539635)

I'm sure he's rolling in his grave.

Re:DM said... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27540429)

DM: It's a saving throw against cancer.

Which is kinder than saying he failed system shock.

Re:DM said... (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 5 years ago | (#27541197)

Why didn't they get a high-level cleric with the ability to cast Resurrection?

Correction: Autoerotic Asphyxiation (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27539213)

Hang in there, Dave. swingin' with the oldies.

Blackmoor (4, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539257)

I'm glad Gary didn't see D&D 4e. I'm glad Dave didn't see Hasbro's future attempts to kill Blackmoor (you know they will).

Re:Blackmoor (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27539585)

Why? Because Gary would have been embarrassed at how many good ideas are to be found in 4th edition, at the clarity of writing, at the generally well-done system that provides an excellent gaming experience for many people?

Right. 4E haters are just like the 3e and 2e haters, talking up their ass.

And Hasbro cares about Blackmoor why? It's not causing them any problems. Not that you can find many people who even know what it is.

Re:Blackmoor (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27540871)

Umm..."talking up their ass?" If you're going to use a cliche at least make sure it's the right one you inbred.

As for the fourth edition, well, being that you don't seem to be a fan of reading I'm guessing you were one of those people who were too mentally handicapped to understand 2e and 3e (i.e. one of the "many people" that requires an easier manual for their "excellent gaming experience).

In fact I doubt you even have the comprehension skills to read this post, so I'll just take it down to your level. Fag, stupid fucker, your mother pimps herself at a dollar store for half off, etc.

It is well know fact gygax played basic and adnd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27541931)

gygax did not like 3rd edition much and good dice roll probability 4th edition would not a been his flavor either, as many say they have DUMBED the game down to 3 year olds.

He still played his basic edition and ADnD .
Dave would still go at basic ediotn now and then as well.

now that they are ascended as initiate immortals.....

Re:Blackmoor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27542059)

Hmm, grammar insult, mindless bashing, and otherwise personal attacks.

Yeah, you lose.

Yet you're not the one rated as flamebait.

Huh.

Go-go Slashdot rating system.

Re:Blackmoor (1, Insightful)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539597)

I'm glad Gary didn't see D&D 4e. I'm glad Dave didn't see Hasbro's future attempts to kill Blackmoor (you know they will).

Too bad they never made any sequels [xkcd.com] .

Re:Blackmoor (2, Informative)

Sasayaki (1096761) | more than 5 years ago | (#27541979)

As someone who was an avid fan of v3.5 and loves 4th edition *even more*, lemme just say...

3rd edition is very, very different from 4th. And very, very different from 2nd. Remember all those guys who, when 3rd edition was released spluttered and went; "WotC are trying to kill D&D! This isn't D&D at all; Gygax would have a fit if he saw this! 2nd Ed is all I'll play and that's final!"

Don't you look back on those guys and go, "Wow. Their complaints have a little merit, but overall the system is a lot better now. This '3rd Ed' thing is new and different, for better or worse (but mostly better)... those guys are really missing out by avoiding it."

Sorry you're this edition's fallbehinds. :) Pass the d20 mate, daddy needs a new pair of beholder-skin boots...

Re:Blackmoor (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 5 years ago | (#27543225)

Don't you look back on those guys and go, "Wow. Their complaints have a little merit, but overall the system is a lot better now. This '3rd Ed' thing is new and different, for better or worse (but mostly better)... those guys are really missing out by avoiding it."

No, actually I say, "Wow. Their complaints have a lot of merit. OD&D FTW! Role-play, not roll-play!"

Re:Blackmoor (1)

crazybit (918023) | more than 5 years ago | (#27543347)

mod parent up!

That is so true, role playing is almost dead in 4th edition.

If you, reader, don't know what I am referring to, then you are not playing the game as it was originally intended.

Now it's a good vs. evil hack & slash game, instead of the reality simulator it was meant to be.

Re:Blackmoor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27543629)

Funny, I always felt OD&D offered fewer role-playing opportunities and mostly served to give a bunch of headaches as it was filled with bland characters who had no development at all.

Unless you made up some goofy odd-ball one-off rule for them anyway.

Re:Blackmoor (1)

CrashPoint (564165) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544303)

No, actually I say, "Wow. Their complaints have a lot of merit. OD&D FTW! Role-play, not roll-play!"

Which is a childish and stupid refrain, as roleplaying doesn't magically become harder just because you use 3rd or 4th ed rules instead of 1st or 2nd.

Was it a lifestyle cancer or genetics or ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27539277)

As us geeks age those late nights start catching up with ya.

I feel another part of my childhood has gone... (4, Interesting)

Daswolfen (1277224) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539279)

I started playing D&D in 79. It was a part of my life growing up and well into adult hood (and still on rare occasion). I was fortunate to have met both Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson on a few occasions at various conventions throughout the years. Its a shame to see such geek icons pass, but sadly, that is life.

Thank you Dave, and Gods Speed!

inb4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27539297)

inb4 failed saving throw!

Except... (1)

SCPRedMage (838040) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539607)

...he apparently failed the save about 17 minutes before you were "in"...

Re:Except... (1)

epee1221 (873140) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539701)

A few days, actually.

zomg (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27539361)

a cancer shows up.

you roll 2 ... oh ... that's bad. cancer eats you.

RIP Dave (1)

Exawatt (1463719) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539503)

I wish there were more people like him creating such life-enriching games for us masses.

RIP (2, Funny)

CeasedCaring (1527717) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539569)

You are in a small wooden box, there are no exits. (Yes, I know it was already used for Gygax)

Re:RIP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27540237)

And here you said Power Attack is useless feat!

bot for IRC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27539583)

Kinda off topic but I have a friend on IRC who's into this and it sounds really interesting but we can't find a dicebot. Anybody have any tips for people who want to play over IRC.

Mainly he's into white wolf games but it's still more or less related.

Thanks.

Re:bot for IRC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27542235)

There's like eleventy-billion dicebot options, the first thing I'd do is check what the IRC server you're on has to offer.

Might be somebody running one you can use already.

Next, investigate what's available for the IRC client you're using. Which you didn't specify so it's hard to help further. I'd recommend different options for Windows, Mac or Linux systems.

I'm just... (1)

Quantos (1327889) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539595)

Thankful for what he gave us.

See? (4, Funny)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539611)

See what the 4th edition does to you? First Gary, now this. Be warned!!

Darn, (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539621)

No one had a Resurrect spell, huh?

Not making light of the passing of a human being, but that's the first thing that came to mind when I read about it this afternoon.

LK

Re:Darn, (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27540031)

Not really, we just don't have a diamond that expensive... and haven't you heard that this place is a dead magic zone?

so (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27539641)

did he drop any good loot?

game over (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27539707)

He should have been a cleric, he could have healed himself!

Thanks for the memories (4, Interesting)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539809)

I played first D&D as a kid, then migrated to other games like Robotech, Star Wars, Traveler 2300AD, Rifts, and my all time favorite Skyrealms of Jorune. I have great memories of my friends and me sitting in our basements playing RPGs deep into the night. Here's to that +20 saving throw in the next world.

Will someone PLEASE check Lung Cancer's D20s? (1)

Chas (5144) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539833)

He's rolling an awful lot of 20's lately...

Re:Will someone PLEASE check Lung Cancer's D20s? (4, Funny)

yndrd1984 (730475) | more than 5 years ago | (#27540759)

Will someone PLEASE check Lung Cancer's D20s? - He's rolling an awful lot of 20's lately...

It's not the dice, it's the "-15 carcinogen penalty to saving throws vs. cancer (lung)" that came with tobacco's "+1 to the 'looking cool' skill in Western cultures"

Re:Will someone PLEASE check Lung Cancer's D20s? (1)

mqduck (232646) | more than 5 years ago | (#27547089)

Find me a culture in which a person doesn't look cool smoking.

Re:Will someone PLEASE check Lung Cancer's D20s? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27548383)

Find me a culture in which a person doesn't look cool smoking.

  • Medical Culture
  • Yeast
  • ?

Thank you Dave (1)

Vskye (9079) | more than 5 years ago | (#27539965)

Was a good time for sure, peace.

cancer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27540021)

It breaks my heart to hear someone dying of cancer. I am a geek, but I wish I studied medicine.

Sad news (5, Insightful)

darjr (1529807) | more than 5 years ago | (#27540061)

Dave, you will be missed. I signed up to slashdot after years and years. Had to create an account. Just to say that.

Re:Sad news (1)

Mybrid (410232) | more than 5 years ago | (#27542575)

Welcome aboard. It is difficult for me to imagine my life without having known D&D and the subsequent games.
I look forward to more gaming and will think of Dave and Gary from time-to-time.
Maybe name a character, Garar. Or Arn Ax.
Welcome.

Re:Sad news (1)

darjr (1529807) | more than 5 years ago | (#27546159)

Thank you. It's too bad it has to for such a reason.

Play by Mail (1)

dameron (307970) | more than 5 years ago | (#27540119)

Dave and Gary made buying stamps fun.

Top that bitches.

His work lives on . . . (4, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 5 years ago | (#27540199)

I don't play any RPGs. (Slashdot gasps!). But I did mess around a bit with D&D in the 70's as a teenager, and played Rogue a bit in college, so I know how it works.

I was visiting my sister a few years ago, who lives in another country, and my nephew was playing some PS2 game. He was clobbering cacti to prepare for taking on a dinosaur. At one point, I instinctively said, "Watch your hit points!"

He was surprised that I had any knowledge of gaming, and I explained that before folks had PCs, they played D&D, and that all the basic concepts were founded there.

So maybe Gygax and Arneson never made fortunes for themselves, but they paved a way for a gazillion dollar industry that keeps the world amused.

That, my fellow Slashdotters, is immortality.

Finally, /. catches up with the rest of the world (1)

Phrogman (80473) | more than 5 years ago | (#27540367)

When I heard this early yesterday I immediately thought I ought to post it to /., after all whats more "News for Nerd"-y? than the death of one of the founders of D&D and the entire world of roleplaying games.

Sadly, /. moves in mysterious ways:

# 2009-04-09 18:11:49 Dave Arneson RIP (Games,Role Playing (Games)) (pending)

There are countless thousands, more likely millions who owe and incredible debt to this man, for the creation of a hobby that has likely shaped their lives in some regards. I started with the very first box set, back in 1979, and have been playing D&D in one form or another ever since then. Thanks, Dave for the countless hours of entertainment I have found playing, discussing, and designing roleplaying and related games. You will be missed.

Rest in Peace , mang. (1)

Vegeta99 (219501) | more than 5 years ago | (#27540427)

I was quite the g33k in high school, but never got into the D&D thang. That said, cancer's a bitch. Nobody should die at 61 from cancer, not in America.

Cancer has taken everyone that I know in my family, and at 22, I've already had melanomas removed. Seriously, if I had a pussy for every recalcitrant little bitch cell that decided it was boss in my family, I'd be wearing a foursome for a hat.

Rest in peace man, and just remember, when the grey goo comes to take over, it ain't got shit on your cells' unconstrained ability to divide. Your (and my, for that matter) genetic code may be the salvation of us all.

Sorry, no true nerd uses numbers in words. (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 5 years ago | (#27540563)

You weren't a geek, you were a virgin. There is a difference. While there is a large number of virgins among geeks not all virgins are geeks. The way to tell the difference? We can spell anyone and for that matter geek.

True geeks read books and don't think the lord of the rings could have been a hell of lot of shorter if only Tolkien had used leet speak. (Note the spelling of leet, no numbers involved.)

Re:Sorry, no true nerd uses numbers in words. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27543305)

Yeah well your mom's a virgin.

Uh... or something

Re:Rest in Peace , mang. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27541059)

And I suppose now you're not a nerd any more because you say "mang" and "thang" on the Internet? Better still, you think you might be the saviour of the earth because you've got skin cancer?

I hope it spreads to your brain and fills out the empty space in your skull a little you fucking loser.

Re:Rest in Peace , mang. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27541167)

Okay, wait, your entire family has been taken by cancer and you yourself, at the early age of 22, are already having cancer? Either there's something very wrong in your environment (e.g. near a nuclear power plant, underneath power lines, radon in the water table, living in three mile island or Chernobyl, you bathe in crude oil and/or gasoline, when they ask paper or plastic you pick plastic, etc.) or your family is an evolutionary dead-end. Not trying to be cruel, just saying. I think you should do some investigation; for the sake of whoever is left in your family, your surrounding neighborhood, and you yourself.

Also, regarding Dave, congrats on a game well played.

Re:Rest in Peace , mang. (1)

Pictish Prince (988570) | more than 5 years ago | (#27541611)

Okay, wait, your entire family has been taken by cancer and you yourself, at the early age of 22, are already having cancer? Either there's something very wrong in your environment (e.g. near a nuclear power plant, underneath power lines, radon in the water table, living in three mile island or Chernobyl, you bathe in crude oil and/or gasoline, when they ask paper or plastic you pick plastic, etc.) or your family is an evolutionary dead-end. Not trying to be cruel, just saying. I think you should do some investigation; for the sake of whoever is left in your family, your surrounding neighborhood, and you yourself.

Yeah, we've pretty much made the biosphere a toxic soup (dioxins, bis-phenol A, phthalates, heavy metals and, oh, can you guess what happens to all the uranium munitions fired in Serbia, Iraq, etc.? Uranium is vaporized and is carried by the winds into the stratosphere, thence to the rest of the earth.)

So lots of people get cancer. Then they go to doctors and hospitals who are there to make money. The doctors and hospitals receive giga $ from the pharmaceutical industry which exists to make money. How much money do you think they would make if there were no sick people?

Humans have cut themselves off from nature and place incredibly foolish faith in synthetic drugs. There are at least three proven effective herbal anti-cancer agents: Turmeric root, cannabis (yes kids, marijuana) and the seeds, stems and roots of many species of Annona (pawpaw, soursop, cherimoya, pond apple...)

Hint: You will hear nothing of this on the nightly news.

Re:Rest in Peace , mang. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27541871)

Okay, buddy. Let me know how long those remedies the Man is keeping from us fight off the cancer cells. I hear a hat fashioned of tinfoil helps focus the vital energies of the magic herbs. We're talking cancer, not a sore throat here.

Dave's Not Here Man (1)

oloron (1092167) | more than 5 years ago | (#27541547)

Another of my child-hood icons has fallen to the beast of time, thanks Dave, you've helped to inspire millions and will continue to do so. R.I.P

Cancer (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27541583)

I think the cancer that killed him was Wizards of the Coast.

Re:Cancer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27542135)

Why?

Being screwed up and down the street by TSR from the 70s through the 80s wasn't bad for him?

He's got nothing to complain about with Wizards of the Coast, they didn't cause him any problems at all. You want people to nail? Try Gary Gygax. The Blume brothers.

If anything, WOTC gave him the opportunity to publish Blackmoor again with D20 and OGL. Which he did do.

Hasbro (1)

KingAlanI (1270538) | more than 5 years ago | (#27546473)

Do you mean "Hasbro"?
I have not played DnD, but I've heard a lot of "Hasbro this, Hasbor that" in an MtG contenxt...not sure of the veracity/fanboy angst balance there, but that may be a more accurate way to put it.

Within that thin blue blook (1)

memorycardfull (1187485) | more than 5 years ago | (#27541993)

there seemed to be so many worlds to discover; but the book itself was only a description of the key to a door in the minds of my friends and I. Thanks Dave.

As Stephen Colbert said.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27541999)

on the day of Gygax's passing:

"May your prismatic spray always bypass your opponent's reflex saving throw."

Time for another 48 hour session (1)

virtualflesh (1438407) | more than 5 years ago | (#27542343)

Here's to Dave.. As a tribute to our greatest enemy, or perhaps our greatest teacher, I will pay Father Time another 48 hours of late-night, passionate, relentless gaming based on one of the most relevant game systems ever developed - Dungeons and Dragons.

What Al Gore thinks of D&D (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27546787)

To Gary Gygax:

"Put the dice away, before I *take* them away."

-- Al Gore

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