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Paid Shilling Comes to Twitter

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the follow-the-eyeballs dept.

The Media 134

An anonymous reader alerts us that an outfit called Magpie is paying Twitter users to tout advertisers' products. Marshall Kirkpatrick of ReadWriteWeb has identified a number of household-name companies — among them Apple, Skype, Kodak, Cisco, Adobe, Roxio, PC Tools, and Box.net — whose products are hyped by identically worded, paid Magpie tweets. But comments to Kirkpatrick's post, including one from a Box.net spokesman, make it sound likely that these shills were paid for not by the companies themselves, but by affiliate marketers. That may not matter. In the same way that Belkin recently got burned paying consumers to write complimentary online reviews about the company's products, the makers of products and services touted through Magpie may find themselves tainted in the backlash from this new form of astroturfing. Kirkpatrick concludes his post: "So there's the Twitter-sphere for you! Bring on 'real time search,' bring on a globally connected community, bring on vapid, vile, stupid shilling. It all seems pretty sad to me."

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Twitter? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544061)

It's already been here at slashdot for ages.

Re:Twitter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544083)

Yep. Apple shilling is common in both places.

Re:Twitter? (3, Insightful)

Trillan (597339) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544139)

Because it couldn't possibly be that Apple users like the products, is that the thinking?

Anyone looking to hire Apple shills: I'm available! Mind you, I'll say good things about products I like for free, and that *usually* includes Apple products. So I'm probably not a great place to spend $$$.

Re:Twitter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544319)

As if slashdot was impervious to shills.

Re:Twitter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544413)

Yes, Apple users can love their products, but if you like anything Microsoft makes, then you're a shill!

No double standards at all around here.

Re:Twitter? (1)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544459)

And, of course, everybody knows that only Apple users love their products. All others are, you know, just shills.

Re:Twitter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544499)

The accusation was against Apple users specifically. See the parent post.

Re:Twitter? (2, Funny)

Antidamage (1506489) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544967)

I can understand your hostility towards Apple users, brought to you by Carl's Jr.

Re:Twitter? (2, Informative)

edmazur (958154) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544541)

Because it couldn't possibly be that Apple users like the products, is that the thinking?

The messages are all identical.

Image FTA: Apple tweets [readwriteweb.com]

Re:Twitter? (1)

jabithew (1340853) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545151)

GP was referring specifically to /. Apple fans. Because if you dare praise an Apple product here you're automatically labeled a fanboi or a shill.

Re:Twitter? (1)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545739)

Well to be realistic on slashdot gadgets like politics is all about features/policies. So it is OK to note great features and what make particular features worth while and how they should be applied across all brands in order to ensure competitive prices and it is generally accepted to mention products (plural) that contain those features. However if it the post comes of as being to company focused, really who be juvenile victims of marketing outside of those with financial vested interests, actually cheer for corporations, it is not well treated.

Now open source appears to be treated differently on slashdot but, because it is feature available ie. features can be readily transplanted, added to and changed it is actually being treated the same.

So focus on policies and features, not silly B$=PR marketing ones, /.ers can tell the difference and you generally will be fine apart from of course the paid shills, government propagandists, juvenile victims of marketing etc. but that of course is what flame bait and troll moderation is all about.

Re:Twitter? (3, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545225)

Apple users like the products

We like the idea of the products best of all.

Re:Twitter? (1)

Trillan (597339) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545641)

You deserve an Insightful or funny upmod for that. I wish I was sure which. :)

Re:Twitter? (3, Funny)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544181)

Yeah, but it's nowhere near as bad as the Open Source shilling on this site.

Oh, wait, are we using the same definition of 'shill'?

Re:Twitter? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544219)

Actually I had read lot of tweets about Apple products.

They started when I had a chance to have a beautiful nigger pup as my brother bought it. Time passed and it was nearly 7 ft in height. I was very much fascinated by it and I always thought of having sex with that beast - and at last the time came. I had a chance to stay alone in the house with my best pal Sambo. I bathe him every week and so it was my chance. I started putting water all over his huge black velvet body.

Sambo was also tempted by this feeling and suddenly his dick started telescoping from its presupice, growing to 12 inches in length. I washed him and dried him with the drier and took him to my room. I removed my panties and T-shirt and was standing naked in front of him. Then I started playing with his dick, twirling it as if it were a thick rope, the kind that you climb in gym class. He was very much aroused and started licking my vagina. Then I made Sambo lie on top of me and I caught hold of his huge dick and shoehorned it into my waiting cooze. He then rammed my choot with full swing and I was almost losing my breath with the most unforgettable orgasm which I ever had in my life. My secretions were gushing like a waterfall and making my bed wet. "Ooooooh, SAMBO!", I shouted at the climax.

I wanted him to spurt his jissom inside me. My big boobs were flopping up and down. He tightened his grip around my waist and soon reached his hilt. Then suddenly he had filled my hole with his hot semen and the juice was overflowing. By now he was also tired and hungry and wanted some rest. So, he left me and went to his cage. I was able to have sex with such a wonderful beast and I wish every women should try sex with a nigger. That day, Sambo became my favorite pet and we always share our bed when we are alone.

Re:Twitter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544337)

On twitter we call them twitter ads or twads for short.

Re:Twitter? (1)

Molochi (555357) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544779)

I've always hoped that most corporate fanboys are actually financially motivated (employees, stockholders, resellers, and paid shills) and feared that they were just dumbasses.

Paid? (4, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544065)

I wouldn't pay one shilling to use twitter.

Re:Paid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544169)

Many people think he's a loudmouth or worse, but the man won three world championships and always has interesting things to say. [weei.com]

That was a typo for "Schilling", right?

Re:Paid? (1, Funny)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544535)

You didn't read the summary. Magpie is paying Twitter users to shill for sponsors.

Re:Paid? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544613)

We need a -1 Whoosh.

Re:Paid? That's nothing! (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545719)

You couldn't bribe me to use T(w)itter! Well, that's not entirely true... if the it was $n10^6 I suppose I might consider it....

Bring on bring on vapid, vile, stupid shilling (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544087)

You always had the vapid, vile, stupid shilling for every little thought you had in your little head.

Now they pay money for vapid, vile, stupid shilling.

This isn't surprising (3, Insightful)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544097)

Whenever a new medium forms it does not take long for it to be colonized by marketers. In fact, it is a sign of how successful Twitter has been that it is being used in this way.

Re:This isn't surprising (2, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544275)

I don't even see how twitter is a new medium. It's just really short entries, right? Like YouTube comments.

New medium? (2, Insightful)

patro (104336) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544497)

Twitter is a glamorized chat. I fail to understand why it's touted as something revolutionary.

Re:New medium? (2, Funny)

hwyhobo (1420503) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544671)

Because most people in the media are not smart enough to use Skype or YIM. Those are programs, therefore by definition they are too hard and too geeky to learn. The media automatons' $200 hairdos might overheat.

Re:New medium? (1)

hwyhobo (1420503) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544673)

(or mIRC or others like it, for that matter)

Re:New medium? (1)

derGoldstein (1494129) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545237)

Very few Twitter users use *just* the site. You can see where the "tweets" are coming from, and they're usually coming from apps (well, Air apps, anyway).

I think that the reason most people use it is that you don't have to actually *know* anyone. You just sign up and "follow" (stalk) a bunch of people.

Re:New medium? (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545471)

.. and if someone follows you it's optional to follow them - so the spam potential is low. Doesn't stop the spammers *trying* - they don't get it yet :p

Email is just about dead now due to the spam problem , so you're left with SMS/MMS, Facebook (can they make that website any more cluttered?), or Twitter.

Re:New medium? (3, Informative)

deadboy2000 (739605) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544727)

It's revolutionary in the same sense that big, patent-leather handbags (or whatever) are revolutionary. It's fashion, it's hype, it's a fad, it's the latest hottest thing that you have to be excited about right now or else you're just hopelessly lame.

Twitter is for Twats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544379)

Twitter is for Twats or Twits

There I said it. Everyone knew it.

Re:Twitter is for Twats (1, Troll)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545287)

Nah, it's for right-wing nuts. It's their ideal medium. You can make short declarations that nobody can challenge with a reply.

Whereas IRC and other types of chat imply a give and take where others can participate in the conversation.

A twitter group is a bunch of people talking to themselves in public. Noisy and not a lot of information.

Re:This isn't surprising (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545267)

Whenever a new medium forms it does not take long for it to be colonized by marketers. In fact, it is a sign of...

..the corporate destruction of free speech.

Sometime last century, courts decided that commercial "speech" and money (in the form of bribes to politicians) is protected speech under the Constitution. Somehow, I don't think that's what Jefferson and Madison had in mind, but then again, neither are a standing army, conceal/carry, and electronic surveillance.

Why pay people to shill? (4, Insightful)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544109)

There are already enough drooling brain dead fanboys for most of the companies going telling anyone willing to listen that their favourite product is the best ever. In fact if they want to compensate people for promotion, they'll probably do it for some cheap shitty little sticker of their favourite corporate logo.

Re:Why pay people to shill? (1)

auLucifer (1371577) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544825)

Why would a company pay for a 'drooling brain dead fanboy' who wouldn't have much of an audience? Surely they'd only pay for someone with a lot of followers who has raised respect in the twitter-space already.

Re:Why pay people to shill? (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545211)

If they have any sense they won't shill the product because they'll likely lose that respect once it's discovered and I'm sure there are some respected fanboys out there. After all, Fox news is very biased and they have a large following. ;)

Re:Why pay people to shill? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27545905)

Fox has the largest audience compared to the other news outlets (no one knows why). Apple's iphone is hugely popular (no one knows why). I see a theme here.

The first rule of Magpie: Don't talk about Magpie! (3, Insightful)

rinkjustice (24156) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544119)

Personally, I don't care if my followers pitch me now and then, but

a) mix it up. make the ratio one advert per 10 quality, humanistic, value-oriented tweets

b) be transparent. Some of those magpie ads in the article were a little misleading I thought.

b) be clever about it. I've never felt even remotely interested in any paid tweet because they're so crappy, or reduntant, or irrelevant.

I have personally used magpie for advertising, and with success. It's not as potent as pay-per-click (ala Adwords) because the intent to purchase typically isn't there. That's why marketing on Facebook is such a lame idea. Brands are only getting inbetween conversations with loved ones. Not cool.

Twitter has the advantage of having real-time search, so intent can be captured as it's happening [tinyurl.com] .

You definitely can use contextual marketing on twitter and still look at yourself in the mirror each morning. You just gotta know how.

Re:The first rule of Magpie: Don't talk about Magp (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544193)

Die in a fire

Re:The first rule of Magpie: Don't talk about Magp (1)

rinkjustice (24156) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544301)

Dying in a fire wouldn't be so bad, actually. Believe it or not, I've had worse things happen to me in my life.

Re:The first rule of Magpie: Don't talk about Magp (2, Funny)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544491)

Dying in a fire...I've had worse things happen to me in my life.

I, for one, welcome our undead overlords.

Re:The first rule of Magpie: Don't talk about Magp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27545749)

That's good, you deserve worse.

Lets hope there is more to come (you are a dirty venal liar, it almost certainly will!)

You said 'b' twice (2, Funny)

Chmcginn (201645) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544227)

Apparently, you like 'b'?

Re:You said 'b' twice (1)

rinkjustice (24156) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544247)

I frickin' love the letter b. I tried to slip another one by you guys, get you thinking about b's all the time, but youse caught me.

Re:You said 'b' twice (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544457)

Apparently, you like 'b'?

The first rule of /b/ [encycloped...matica.com] is you do not talk about /b/ [encycloped...matica.com] .

Re:You said 'b' twice (1)

AnalPerfume (1356177) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544577)

Personally I prefer "x". It has a cooler sound to it, and is more exclusive with the words that use it.

"I prefer extortion. The X makes it sound cool." - Bender.

Re:You said 'b' twice (1)

jabithew (1340853) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545165)

How does you like b apparently make you feel?

Re:You said 'b' twice (1)

derGoldstein (1494129) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545331)

You've not reading this correctly. Each "b" is followed by a sentence beginning with "be". It's like lolspeak, but different.

Re:The first rule of Magpie: Don't talk about Magp (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545483)

How could a follower pitch to you? You'd have to be their follower for that to happen. That's why Twitter doesn't get any real spam... you have to ask for it, and marketers can't get over that hurdle.

Re:The first rule of Magpie: Don't talk about Magp (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545503)

I advertise on Facebook. CPC set at $0.60. CTR is miserable (WELL under 0.1%), but impressions is gigantic (200,000 per day average). Out of those who click through (let's say 140 per day average), I get at LEAST 5 orders. 3.6% conversion. Average order profit is over $100. So Facebook ads that cost me about $85 per day (on average) get me around $550 per day profit. For no additional marketing work on my part.

I can pick sex (male, for my product), age (21-45), and even pick specific groups they're members of or keywords in their profile.

I track my Facebook clicks and offer people a $20 credit if they fill out a 15 question multiple choice review. Most do, even if they didn't buy. Every single one of them said they prefered clicking my ad than accidentally clicking an ad at Google or on a blog -- they KNEW it was an ad, and my product interested them.

Also, the retention rate of clickers-but-not-buyers is relatively high. Almost 20% of people who clicked and didn't buy DO come back to buy. So that is additional return that isn't in the figure above.

Google AdWords cost me around $100 per customer to acquire, on orders I made $110 on (on average). Facebook, OTH, costs me $20 or less per customer acquired, and I make a decent profit. There is no going back to Google AdWords for me, ever, unless I can use their data mining to target my crowd better. I've NEVER clicked an Adwords ad, but I've clicked a few Facebook ads, and even made purchases myself.

Identical problem as email spam (2, Interesting)

zymano (581466) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544137)

Start suing the ad sponsors. They are usually large companies.

Just include a clause in the account startup agreement. Then go after the $$$. Could be profitable.

And this is why I don't twitter (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544143)

It's full of twittering twits who will twit their twits off about twittering twit.

Payments? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544159)

Fanbois plug Apple for free as ani fule no!

Post Spamming... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544189)

... should be disallowed.

As a Level 4 at Apple's forums, whenever we mentioned a third party product or service to solve a posters problem, we had to disclose a disclaimer that we were not rewarded by the third party for the plug.

As a moderator for another site, the site owner allowed post spamming and the result was a take over of the site by marketers and the normal posters soon vanished, the site later died.

Posters want honest opinions and judgements from fellow posters and users, not targeted spam from marketers.

Don't worry it is OK (2, Insightful)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544195)

Twitter was a stupid waste of time already so this changes nothing.

Erris, Mactrope, deadzero... (-1, Troll)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544475)

Twitter was a stupid waste of time already

But are Erris, Mactrope, and the rest of the gang [slashdot.org] any less of a waste of time?

Re:Erris, Mactrope, deadzero... (1)

JohnBailey (1092697) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545049)

But are Erris, Mactrope, and the rest of the gang any less of a waste of time?

At least Twitter is so obvious that you know when they are around. Does anybody else use M$ any more apart from Twitter's sock puppets?

Re:Erris, Mactrope, deadzero... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27545171)

Uh. What? Only a majority of computer users use Microsoft software. Other than that, yeah, nobody does anymore.

Note: The fact that I point this out does not necessarily mean I'm putting down other platforms. But there's a very long way to go before you can make a statement such as yours.

10 LET M$ = "Microsoft" (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545193)

Some Slashdot users use M$ to save seven bytes vs. "Microsoft" in a comment's subject, which Slashdot limits to 50 bytes, but that's it.

Seems to be affiliates, not the main companies (1)

mccalli (323026) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544199)

Following a path of links from the article gets to the original research behind this [readwriteweb.com] .

From the comments on there it seems that the advertising is coming from affiliates, not from the companies themselves. This still makes it a problem for those who use Twitter, but it's a case of "MS Software cheap" or "Get a free MacBook Air"-style spam rather than the major companies themselves making use of this. Well, for the moment at least anyway.

It's not the first time I've come across it - a recent Mac promo (MacHeist? Think so) offered a free copy of DevonTHINK to anyone would would put certain text in their feeds. I'm not a Twitter user myself and didn't want to sign up to do that, but it does represent the first time I saw a "please spam twitter" call going out.

Cheers,
Ian

I'm listening... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544205)

to my Apple iPod that I just got on sale! It is fantastic. ;)

Shrinking Response Times (4, Interesting)

Redfeather (1033680) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544207)

Twitter's not just bad for this - oh my, a new form of spam, I never saw it coming - but for poor context community as well. I feed my Tweets to my blog in a widget (Geekiest phrase ever, I know) and, thus, am searchable. Now, I put up a "Legal" page about my site - claiming authorship and all - and immediately was added by nearly forty Law-oriented "Free Advice" Twits who likely had never read another of my posts. I changed the page's name from "Legal" to "Disclaimer" and the additions halted. Changing the page to "Copyright" had the same effect - media trolls, dozens of them, now on my block list. It's incredible.

Twitter's nice for micro-posting, but seriously. This shilling thing? Been going on for some time. It's nothing new.

By the way... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544257)

"By the way, if anyone here is in advertising or marketing... kill yourself."

-Bill Hicks

Seth Killian is a Shill for CAPCOM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544261)

Seth Killian is a Shill for CAPCOM and is probably doing this right now.

White Folk Stand Up (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544281)

Now is the time to wash the mud off. Hose out all the mud. Clean your street, your town, your country.

eww, twitter. (1)

blondie.xo (1527639) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544289)

Ew. Twitter is so dumb. Go facebook! Besides who uses twitter anyways. So this, not even a big deal.

Get rid of KDawson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544313)

Can we get rid of kdawson? Never have I ever seen a useful article posted by them. (unluckily for the beer companies, nobody will have to take a drink)

Re:Get rid of KDawson (1)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544373)

I'm sure Anonymous Coward's opinion carries tremendous weight at Slashdot.

Re:Get rid of KDawson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544639)

I'm sure Anonymous Coward's opinion carries tremendous weight at Slashdot.

He sure has the largest volume of posts by any given user :-)

Seriously, though... This site has a real problem with an elitist attitude towards ACs and high UIDs. As if these people have less of a valid opinion or should have less of a voice. I've been posting as AC since 2001 and this sort of treatment has only gotten worse over the years.

Hath not an AC eyes?

Re:Get rid of KDawson (1)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544925)

An AC hath no name, and as such might just be the same asshole posting his opinion ten times. At least when some asshole like me posts his opinion ten times, it isn't counted ten times.

Re:Get rid of KDawson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27545015)

Maybe then it should be more like undeadly [undeadly.org] , where an AC also has his IP address listed. Most people (myself included) have dynamic IPs, but it'd generally be a pretty good indicator if someone is trying to artificially amplify his opinion.

Also I know when I post several times on here I'm usually saying more or less the same basic classes of ideas (I guess I'm just that set in my ways), and I probably have a pretty unique idiolect [wikipedia.org] , so you can probably spot me in several threads that way.

Incidentally I have occasionally had the experience here where other ACs pretend to be posting as me... Kind of annoying.

By the way, I'm the same AC that posted "hath not an AC eyes", but a different one from the one David Gerard replied to. :-)

Re:Get rid of KDawson (2, Funny)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545629)

By the way, I'm the same AC that posted "hath not an AC eyes", but a different one from the one David Gerard replied to. :-)

PROVE IT

Re:Get rid of KDawson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27545877)

Probably more than spammers like you.

Nice to know- but who cares? (3, Insightful)

eigenstates (1364441) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544331)

Am I really one of a rare few who find Twitter completely useless? The 'connection' of Twatter to follower is one borne of impersonal salesmanship. The Twatter doesn't feel that strong, real interpersonal relationship is worth their time yet they still want would be the reciprocal feelings of such a relationship. The follower thrives on being an enabler of those types of people. The worst (and probably most prevalent users) are the psychophants who follow only so others will follow them.

The only problem I really see here is that since there seem to be an enormous amount of people who use this service now, internet advertisers are going to have a new round of completely bogus numbers to back up that 'advertising works on the internet'. "Look, potential client who has been terrified in to believing that the internet is a huge cash cow and you aren't milking that cow so hire me because I am an expert milker, our ad for ass ring fungal remover was a steath campaign on Senator Twatting Network it has a cumulative following of over a million followers so we potentially moved over a million units!"

This means that decent content on the web will continue to be infected with this bogus logic attaching these disease ridden ads to their art because the guy who sold ass ring fungal remover to over a million people said we had to do it.

Everyone is making money off of Twitter now (5, Funny)

marshalium (1466239) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544355)

Except for Twitter.

UK consumers willing to block ads for free content (0, Offtopic)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544371)

60% of UK consumers are willing to browse with an ad-blocker in return for free videos, music and other content, a survey has revealed.

"This willingness to pretend to view adverts in exchange for free content is good news for sites wanting to lie to advertisers," said Tudor Aw at KPMG, "and is perhaps a pointer in the ongoing debate over whether lying to advertisers or lying to subscribers is the right revenue model."

40% of respondents said they would pretend to accept popups, popunders, interstitials, Phorm, floating windows zipping and swooping about the screen, Flash videos that start playing sound automatically, eye-gouging animations and 2o7.net cookies in exchange for free music. 16% said they would pay to avoid ads. The rest would continue to get their telly from BitTorrent and browse with Mozilla Firefox with AdBlock.

People were more willing to pay on mobile phones, unless they had a modern phone with which they could steal someone's WiFi connection.

Google, the world's largest online advertising agency, said it was looking into tastefully-interspersed direct content advertising and brand placement, and added that you should PUNCH THE MONKEY TO WIN £20,000!!! [today.com] "If you know what's good for you."

WTF is twitter and why should I give a shit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544385)

I find it quite difficult to spare any time to care about this.
but here goes.

Did that fit in a "tweet?"

MacHeist was also bribing Twitter users... (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544445)

MacHeist just recently sold a bundle of cheap software, and if you twatted the bundle deal you got an additional two programs free. An interesting tactic, though I'll bet that annoyed a lot of people.

Re:MacHeist was also bribing Twitter users... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27545223)

I thought about that. But a lot of money went to charity and a lot of small Mac devs got promotion. I did not mind so much.

meh (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544485)

And this is exactly why I recently switched to http://identi.ca/ [identi.ca] which is a FOSS/public domain version of twitter that an increasing number of geeks are switching to. Twitter is *so* five minutes ago.

I love that song! (0, Offtopic)

The Clockwork Troll (655321) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544489)

4 ... 3 ... 2 ... 1

Earth below us,
Twis-ting, fall-ing

Oh sorry - Twitter Shilling.

kdawson is a sack of faggot shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544501)

i am not a paid endorser. kdawson is a shitball of an editor.

but i did shill his sister last night.

Paid Shilling Comes to Twitter? (1)

alexo (9335) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544579)

Wait, I don't understand.
If I come to Twitter, they will pay me one Shilling?

Re:Paid Shilling Comes to Twitter? (1)

east coast (590680) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545705)

I'll not do it for less than 2 bob.

I'm Shocked (4, Funny)

honestmonkey (819408) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544603)

I am shocked about this, I tell you, shocked. I was so upset I had to go sit in my La-z-boy recliner and drink a nice, refreshing glass of Lipton iced tea.

Re:I'm Shocked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27545773)

eh...er stfu you idiot!

Shouting to friends in the cafeteria line (1, Funny)

TheModelEskimo (968202) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544649)

Twitter reminds me of hearing people shout to each other in a crowded place, making sure to make not-so-vague references to how cool they are.

@chad: My cell phone cam sux so u can't tell I'm wearing that $200 T-shirt

@all: Anybody know where I can pick up some gaiters? I'm doing Mt. McKinley this weekend

@cybercheese: I know what you mean. I use Gentoo too, and it totally rocks

(which are all lies, of course)

Learn to use Twitter? (4, Insightful)

stereoroid (234317) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544783)

I see the typical "I'm too hip for Twitter" comments are out. The system makes more sense if you use a little moderation - a bit like Slashdot, when it comes to it:
  - the home page only shows tweets from the people you're following. Messaged from Spammers don't appear unless you Followed them.
  - So, you have control over what comes up and who you see. If you want to see interesting tweets, follow interesting people.
  - if someone Follows you, you are under no obligation to Follow them in return. If they don't look interesting or relevant to you, don't Follow them.
  - Ignore people who Follow you with the aim of building a Follower count. Not your problem.
  - Be selfish. It's your time and attention, and no-one else has an automatic right to any of it.

One of my friends is about start on a motorbike trip around the world, and Twitter means he can post quick blog updates from Outer Mongolia or wherever he happens to have a few minutes to spare. For that application, it's like SMS texting to a group of people instead of one phone number. Nothing wrong with Twitter if you use it sensibly, as much as it suits you.

Re:Learn to use Twitter? (1)

derGoldstein (1494129) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545311)

Quite a few developers use Twitter. It's a good way to stay on top of things within a certain field, and/or collaborate.

Keeping up that "too cool for school" attitude means that you could lose out on some of the very useful, and even productive, aspects of the service.

Here's a simple rule to start you off with: If someone tweets "I'm eating a sandwich", unfollow them.

Re:Learn to use Twitter? (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545519)

Also.. if someone follows you and you don't like them (spammer, or simply don't like them), it's one click to block them to stop them following you ever again.

The spam potential on twitter is low to nonexistent, provided you're not stupid with it.

If you have friends who retweet the 'latest' offers because they believe they'll get something for it.. they're probably the same type that would forward 'virus warning' emails to you twice a week anyway. Just unfollow them (wish you could do that with email).

Re:Learn to use Twitter? (1)

Stiletto (12066) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545797)

I don't see how Twitter is all that different than IRC. The only thing it's got going for itself, really, is that it appeals to the beret-wearing Web 2.0 crowd.

When will marketers realize... (2, Interesting)

Phrogman (80473) | more than 5 years ago | (#27544873)

that when we get inundated with the same message again and again, it turns people Off on the product?

It alienates me at any rate, and particularly so if its endorsement type advertisement, since those usually have no actual information in them and usually feature actors hired to say their lines, ie they are lying.

I more or less ignore ads, I bypass them when I read them in the newspaper, or in a magazine. I speed past them with my PVR when I am watching TV, and I mute them if I can't bypass them. Oh I know the rule is to reach a consumer as many ways as possible and that in theory that is more likely to make them buy your product, but I think its backfiring these days because we see far too many ads.

Marketers: I am not interested in your product, whatever the fuck it is. If I want something I will go research it myself, read honest reviews (if I can find any, harder and harder these days), and then decide if I really need the product. If I do, I go buy it, if its crappy or I don't need it, I don't buy it. I buy virtually nothing based on seeing an advertisement as far as I can tell. I often specifically avoid products I can recall seeing Ads for because 99% of them are more irritating than informative, and they all seem to be based on outright lying about a product. For the most part if I can recall your ad, I won't buy your product, because if I can recall your ad, I have likely seen it so many times it makes me want to puke

I am exposed to so much media and have so many people trying to grab my attention that I more or less ignore them all

This onslaught of media screaming - Capitalist Propaganda if you wish - is tiring, and only pisses me off. I am sure I am not alone.

Now, products I do like I am more than willing to support in discussions with my friends and fellow workers, but I would never stoop so low as to become a shill for the company that made them.

One of the only upsides to Communism I can think of was there was almost no marketing and advertising. Shakespeare had it wrong, the firs thing we do is shoot all the marketers :P

Re:When will marketers realize... (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545453)

Well said. That is exactly my reaction also.

For the most part if I can recall your ad, I won't buy your product, because if I can recall your ad, I have likely seen it so many times it makes me want to puke

The extremely rare instances of me buying a product I can remember seeing an ad for, the purchase was not due to the ad, it will always be something I have already researched or have prior experience with. Pure coincidence.

Affiliates = worst excuse. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27544929)

likely that these shills were paid for not by the companies themselves, but by affiliate marketers

This is the kind of thing every shady company says. My company uses the affiliate excuse all the time to cover their asses for all the shady marketing they do themselves. Our company directs users to our websites by spamming users' cell phones with text messages from fake "friends" who want the recipient to join the website.

Of course, this spamming/scamming is done in-house. But whenever someone comes complaining? "It's not us, it's probably one of our affiliates, whom we have no control over." I will never ever believe any company who tries to offload any amount of blame on their affiliates.

Shilling - not always obvious (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545411)

It's not always obvious when an account is a shill on twitter.

For instance, did you know that the twitter account memcached [twitter.com] is a shill for a company named Gear6 [gear6.com] rather than an official twitter by the memcached team or Danga Interactive [danga.com] 's owner, Sixapart [sixapart.com] ?

Astro-Tweeting? (1)

Tsu Dho Nimh (663417) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545731)

Any sort of media will be appropriated by advertising for their paid shills.

Why do you sound surprised? (2, Interesting)

TheCabal (215908) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545761)

Any medium will be used for advertising. It's pure naivety to believe that your precious Twitter will remain pure and unsullied.

And nothing of value was lost. (1)

Requiem18th (742389) | more than 5 years ago | (#27545769)

Well, I *already* hate these companies exactly for these kinds of dirty tricks so its business as usual.

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