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He's a Mac, He's a PC, But We're Linux!

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the those-other-people-are-blenders dept.

Linux Business 508

davidmwilliams writes "Earlier this year the Linux Foundation launched a competition for budding writers, film makers and just general Linux enthusiasts to make their own grassroots advertisement to compete with Apple's highly-successful 'I'm a Mac' series of adverts. The winner has now been announced."

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Hello (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27569913)

I kept refreshing the Slashdot main page until I finally saw a story where I could get first post. I did all of that just so I could say ... wait for it ... NIGGER!

Re:Hello (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570171)

And thus you have accomplished more than the average Slashdotter manages in a whole week.

That ad (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570185)

is kinda too touchy feely. People won't know what that weird guy is talking about. And he has a funny accent.

Wow (2, Funny)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 5 years ago | (#27569955)

Nothing quite as exciting as a spoof like two years after the original ads started and about a year after they stopped being cool.

I heard Weird Al was coming up with a parody of the Bee Gees next week...

Re:Wow (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570095)

Hey jackass, look at the winner. It is not a spoof.

Re:Wow (3, Insightful)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571023)

Heh... typical of Linux though. Copying Mac or Windows, but years later, and not quite as good.

Re:Wow (5, Informative)

pseudonomous (1389971) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571123)

Like the rude AC, I re-iterate more politely:

The winning ad doesn't copy either the Apple or Microsoft campaign styles. It's actually pretty good, except for the fact that it doesn't at all make clear WHAT linux is, but it might make some people interested enough to google it.

Re:Wow (4, Insightful)

Svippy (876087) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571151)

Yeah, just like workspaces, man, totally rip off of Mac OS X's Spaces feature, and Windows' not yet existing equivalent!

Propaganda as Nebulous as Apple's or Microsoft's (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#27569965)

I watched a few of these videos and I'm going to admit that it's very tough to push an operating system in less than a minute. So that leaves you in the very department you don't want to be in--marketing.

I will congratulate Linux and the winning contestant on achieving what Apple did and Microsoft tried to. And that is simplify Linux down to an idea easy to grasp with no actual numbers or ideas surrounding it. Like the Mac ads, it's just "cool" to be a Mac. I like that they imply that to be Linux is to enjoy freedom but it's no more convincing to me than the Mac ads. I'm a Linux fanatic but I'm realistic.

I don't think Linux needs this kind of advertising. I would prefer the software to speak for itself--warts and all. I hope all the participants had fun and I also hope that this doesn't make an easy target for anti-Linux folks. The winning ad sidesteps some of Linux's difficult aspects (usability, third party support, etc.) and promotes its trump card. Linux is freedom.

Re:Propaganda as Nebulous as Apple's or Microsoft' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570207)

The winning ad sidesteps some of Linux's difficult aspects (usability, third party support, etc.) and promotes its trump card. Linux is freedom.

No shit. And here I thought ads highlight the difficulties. Like Apple's ads. They're honest about the rich gaming experience you will have with them.

Re:Propaganda as Nebulous as Apple's or Microsoft' (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570629)

What could be better than Nethack?

Re:Propaganda as Nebulous as Apple's or Microsoft' (1)

codegen (103601) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571045)

What could be better than Nethack?

bzflag

Good news, and bad news (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570409)

The good news is... he won the contest.

The bad news is... he's still stuck using Teh Lunix. And this is definitely NOT teh year of Teh Lunix on teh desktop.

Re:Propaganda as Nebulous as Apple's or Microsoft' (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570417)

Linux is freedom.

GNU/Linux is Stallman's idea of freedom.

What does it mean to be Linux? (5, Insightful)

danaris (525051) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570577)

I will congratulate Linux and the winning contestant on achieving what Apple did and Microsoft tried to. And that is simplify Linux down to an idea easy to grasp with no actual numbers or ideas surrounding it. Like the Mac ads, it's just "cool" to be a Mac. I like that they imply that to be Linux is to enjoy freedom but it's no more convincing to me than the Mac ads. I'm a Linux fanatic but I'm realistic.

But, see, there's a big, big problem with the winning ad.

Unless you already know what Linux is, which many, many people do not, it is utterly meaningless.

I know it has become popular to make ads that don't really explain what they're for in recent times, but that only works if the brand they're advertising is already recognizable, at least among their target demographic. But The Great Unwashed Masses don't even know what Linux is yet. Knowing that "it's freedom" tells them nothing, and the cute little animated graphics don't give any indication that it's even something to do with a computer—yeah, the graphics themselves are sometimes clearly computer-related, but these days, what isn't?

When Linux is already as recognizable a name as Mac, iPod, Coke, or Nike, and everyone knows that "it's just another alternative to Mac or Windows," then we can make ads like this to push the "freedom" aspect of it.

But until then, this ad doesn't tell a non-geek anything...except that Linux is pretentious.

Dan Aris

Re:What does it mean to be Linux? (2, Insightful)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570969)

But until then, this ad doesn't tell a non-geek anything...except that Linux is pretentious.

Sounds like a solid start to me. What more do they need to know? Does the ad feature nerds? Then they'll go find a pretentious nerd who will tell them more than they ever wanted to hear about Linux. Perfect.

Re:What does it mean to be Linux? (3, Interesting)

lwriemen (763666) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571085)

But The Great Unwashed Masses don't even know what Linux is yet.

The great unwashed masses don't conceptualize the idea of an operating system. This one of the reasons that Microsoft, with it's anti-competitive licensing, was able to gain a monopoly, because they controlled the pre-loads. Even when there was competition, consumers thought in terms of the total product rather than the composition of parts. You bought a Commodore {model name} PC, an Atari {model name} PC, an Apple {model name} PC, etc.

Of course this is perpetuated by the use of the term, "PC", to be synonymous with "a personal computer (PC) running the Windows operating system", which is free marketing for Microsoft.

They should get... (3, Interesting)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#27569969)

...the geeks from Big Bang Theory to start ads for Linux.

I've been kinda surprised that with all the tech and science they throw around on that show, that they don't ever mention Linux.

Re:They should get... (1, Insightful)

Swizec (978239) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570085)

That's because linux is a product. Want Hollywood to mention your product? Pay!

This is why Penny said two weeks ago "Diet Oke" instead of "Diet Coke", Coca Cola didn't pay for product placement.

Re:They should get... (1)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570113)

Summer Glau would be better. Market to geeks who like Firefly and the geeks who like her in the Terminator TV show.

Re:They should get... (1)

codename.matrix (889422) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570365)

Summer Glau would be better. Market to geeks who like Firefly and the geeks who like her in the Terminator TV show.

She was in a Big Bang Theory episode so they could do it together ;)

Re:They should get... (1)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571191)

Does anybody else think her name sounds like it should be on a beer bottle?
"Try Bell's new Summerglau!"

Beating the dead horse (-1, Redundant)

plasticsquirrel (637166) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570031)

Haven't the originals and the parodies gotten old yet? And more importantly, why aren't Linux enthusiasts doing something truly new and original that highlights the strong points of Linux and OSS? Ubuntu and the other desktop distros have done a great job these last few years, but I think the Linux community still on a whole still lacks some creativity, originality, and artistic talent that would really help desktop Linux.

Re:Beating the dead horse (5, Insightful)

Vorpix (60341) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570161)

what exactly is the winning video parodying? did you even bother to watch it [youtube.com] before you came here to complain?

Re:Beating the dead horse (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570231)

You and MyLongNickName should maybe get together and watch the winning ad before you post. It is not a parody, and you, too, are a jackass.

Marketing fail (5, Insightful)

DinDaddy (1168147) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570057)

While that is a nicely produced ad, if its purpose is to promote linux use to the general public, it completely fails.

Nothing about it will grab their attention.

I love the "Do you know what free means" video! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570073)

I especially love that you need flash to watch it off of youtube.

Re:I love the "Do you know what free means" video! (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570219)

http://www.getgnash.org/ [getgnash.org]

Re:I love the "Do you know what free means" video! (1, Informative)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570713)

Gnash is not ready for prime time and last I checked, didn't currently work with youtube. Supposedly swfdec does, if you compile the latest build, but I haven't done so yet. (I'm running Linux on PPC)

Re:I love the "Do you know what free means" video! (1)

Thinboy00 (1190815) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571277)

swfdec runs fine on PPC+Linux.

Slashdot poll (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570093)

We need a poll.

I vote for the penguin doctor video

Re:Slashdot poll (1, Informative)

sick_soul (794596) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570227)

We need a poll. I vote for the penguin doctor video

The penguin doctor video was much better. Btw, the linuxfoundation.org site is already /.ed, so http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svaHnha-PXs [youtube.com]

Re:Slashdot poll (1)

SiChemist (575005) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571211)

That video was awesome! Someone needs to do an English translation for us monolingual Americans.

I'm Linux... (5, Funny)

Chysn (898420) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570111)

Okay, nobody get mad at me, I run my hosting business on CentOS and all my computers dual boot to Ubuntu. My six-year old son likes Ubuntu so much that he writes his name in that roundy Ubuntu lettering.

But when I mentally set the stage for this commercial, I imagine a little dwarf coming out and saying, "I'm Linux, do you guys know how to get my wireless card working? I'm having trouble printing. Why can't I play this damn DVD?"

Man, I hope I've got some karma to spare...

Re:I'm Linux... (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570311)

I imagine a little dwarf coming out and saying, "I'm Linux, do you guys know how to get my wireless card working? I'm having trouble printing. Why can't I play this damn DVD?"

And then a tall handsome elf solves all his problems, right?

Mr Jackson? Is that you?

Re:I'm Linux... (4, Insightful)

Greg_D (138979) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570627)

Are you kidding? Tech support = Gollum.

Re:I'm Linux... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27571063)

Too fucking right. And their knowledge is so precious they sure as shit won't be sharing it with their unfortunate clients.

Re:I'm Linux... (1, Insightful)

Thinboy00 (1190815) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571299)

What about Ubuntu's community support?

Re:I'm Linux... (1)

Creepy (93888) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570407)

hmm - well that may be better than me - whenever I see "We're Linux" I think "of Borg - you will be assimilated."

I know that it is Microsoft of Borg, but I can't get that out of my head...

Re:I'm Linux... (1)

Thinboy00 (1190815) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571321)

I know that it is Microsoft of Borg, but I can't get that out of my head...

It is missing of grammar.

Re:I'm Linux... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570615)

well at least you can take comfort that in 2014 when XP security support stops that the little dwarf won't become infested with STD's!

Re:I'm Linux... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27571055)

And you think that will be enough to push him to Linux? Sorry to tell you, but the dwarf will buy meds for his STDs or go Mac long before he starts using Linux.

Re:I'm Linux... (2, Informative)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570745)

My six-year old son likes Ubuntu so much that he writes his name in that roundy Ubuntu lettering.

If you haven't installed it already, ttf-ubuntu-title allows you to use that font

Re:I'm Linux... (1)

damien_kane (519267) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570861)

My six-year old son likes Ubuntu so much that he writes his name in that roundy Ubuntu lettering.

If you haven't installed it already, ttf-ubuntu-title allows you to use that font

How does he install it on his son, though?

Re:I'm Linux... (3, Funny)

pseudonomous (1389971) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571207)

He's using the new beta, they ported it to his arm.

Re:I'm Linux... (4, Insightful)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571071)

It's amazing that before you can offer real, valid criticisms of Linx, you need to qualify it with "but I really love it!"

Re:I'm Linux... (1)

Chysn (898420) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571307)

I think it's more that I was qualifying it with "but I really use it," which is just a rhetorical device to lend my criticisms a bit more weight.

But I get your point. Speaking to the audience, I guess.

Re:I'm Linux... (1)

Igarden2 (916096) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571139)

Sadly, I feel much the same. Some things just don't seem to work 'out of the box' and it can be frustrating. I'll just wait for the flames and 'You must be stupid' comments.

i for one (3, Funny)

nimbius (983462) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570121)

am glad it wasnt the "i, you, we are linux" ad... that one had me terrified that linux would inevitably pick up a phased plasma rifle in the 50 watt range and...well....try and find Sarah Connor.

Mac ad? More like microsoft ad. (3, Insightful)

daid303 (843777) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570149)

It looks more like those microsoft ads, where they show white drawings on top of real life video.

Re:Mac ad? More like microsoft ad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27571099)

no surprise. open sores copies everything else.

The fall's hot new sitcom (4, Funny)

Captain Spam (66120) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570201)

He's a Mac, He's a PC, [and] We're Linux!

Can three operating systems from three different cultures get along in the same wacky network? Tune in this fall to NBC for _Broken Pipes_, the hilarious new sitcom from those nutty writers behind BSD and VMS!

Re:The fall's hot new sitcom (1, Funny)

Chris453 (1092253) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571373)

NBC? I would imagine seeing this on FOX. They have to find some crap to replace great shows like The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

Congrats to Armitay! (1)

mewsenews (251487) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570211)

I took a gander at all the finalists of this contest and I felt like I could point out some problems with most of them. "Origin" had exceptional visuals but the voiceover suffered from poor pacing, another had a good script but Film School-esque visuals. I had a real soft spot for the French entry in a faux operating room - I watched it without subtitles, and I don't understand French. The image of a nurse-chasing Tux speaking an incomprehensible language had me cracking up, but I think it may have been too camp for the judges.

The winner by Armitay Tweeto is probably the most well rounded of the bunch, combining solid visuals with a solid voiceover and a really strong message: your freedom is waiting. Congratulations.

Aaand already slashdotted. (3, Informative)

ahoehn (301327) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570235)

They must be hosting this on a [Insert Your Least Favorite Underpowered Device Here].

Seems to be on the Youtubes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWEIQIv8zvY&feature=player_embedded [youtube.com]

I donno, not a horrible video, but I have trouble seeing how that's going to convince anyone to switch to the Linuxes. I think it's a bit to idealogical and lacking in the pragmatic. It could use some, "the advantages of Linux over PC's or Mac's are thus:"

Re:Aaand already slashdotted. (4, Insightful)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570521)

The problem is that it's hard to pin down the advantages in a manner that people will "get it".

I don't know how many times I've shown (honestly so and in a way the people were just gobsmacked...) those advantages- and people will still use XP or Vista, because they "like" it, never mind that they're always bitching about all the problems they actually HAVE with the stuff and never once twig onto the fact that it really doesn't have to be that way and you don't have the crap going on in the large on Linux. And this doesn't even get into the people with the mindset that something as good as what Linux has become could ever be "free" or that handing copies out to people could be anything but illegal.

Spelling out "advantages" isn't going to get you there right at the moment.

Me three! Me three! Me three! (2, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570551)

I'm glad they went with an ad that didn't scream "Me too!" Out of necessity, Linux already copies Microsoft which copied Macintosh which copied Xerox in terms of GUIness and perhaps other programs. But it didn't need to do the same with commercials: copying Microsoft copying Apple.

The only thing bad is that unless you already know what linux is, the commercial doesn't exactly inform you, even visually, albeit a single cartoonishly animated mouse cursor. It might leave common people scratching their heads.

Re:Aaand already slashdotted. (1)

MK_CSGuy (953563) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570579)

They sure aren't treating their servers properly [dilbert.com] .

Re:Aaand already slashdotted. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570605)

the ad is plainly fail just as linux is plainly fail. the ad does nothing to promote linux other than to use it's name. had you replaced 'linux' in the ad with the word 'dagafort' i would have had no response at all to the video.

it's actually probably a sign of what's wrong with the linux community. the fanbois all get it and understand it and everyone else just shrugs and moves on.

Re:Aaand already slashdotted. (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570803)

They must be hosting this on a [Insert Your Least Favorite Underpowered Device Here].

This makes me wonder: what is the largest site /. has ever trampled?

Well... (2, Funny)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570253)

At least they didn't mention anything about a 'Whispering Eye' and start giggling... I guess that's a positive.

WTF, the answer should have been (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570281)

A video of Optimus Prime's ass farting "Linux is better"

Slashdotted... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570285)

Maybe we need the giant penguin to come and stick his flipper in the servers. (Fortunately able to access the Linux Pub video on Youtube -- hint hint -- before the Slashdotting was complete.)

IBM Linux ad (5, Informative)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570333)

Here's the old Linux ad by IBM. It's pretty cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwL0G9wK8j4

Re:IBM Linux ad (2, Informative)

Yetihehe (971185) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570481)

This one done by RedHat is better IMHO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_VFKqw1q2Q [youtube.com]

Re:IBM Linux ad (1)

cblack (4342) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571245)

The Red Hat ad is over 3 minutes long! Not a very effective ad, maybe a good intro for a presentation or something tho.

Re:IBM Linux ad (2, Insightful)

Archon-X (264195) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570565)

Not surprising that a budget can produce results.

I'm not sure where to start on the 'winning advertisement'.

For a start: the quality of presentation and graphics is poor.
The medium is visual, but the visuals serve no purpose: we'd know just as much (or just as little, as the case may be) with audio only.
The copy is generica: we're talking about freedom and liberty. Is it an airline? Is it a panty liner?

The voice for the audio is a poor choice. It's not the accent that's the problem, it's just not an engaging voice or manner of speaking.

Unfortunately, this whole this has the feel like it was produced by someone's kid.
Want to be taken seriously? Drop some cash, get a proper advertisement, or the ramshackle image is here to stay.

Re:IBM Linux ad (1)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571363)

You didn't get picked, did you?

That's ok. Here's a participation ribbon.

Re:IBM Linux ad (1)

cortesoft (1150075) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571131)

This ad has John Wooden in it. It is awesome.

Re:IBM Linux ad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27571271)

It would have been awesome if this one had won:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVs6oPsts5A

Doesn't tell us anything (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570359)

Someone said that this was marketing fail and I completely agree. To some random consumer who has never heard of Linux, this commercial wouldn't give them ANY idea as to what it actually is or why they would need it.

It looks more like a commercial for a mouse pointer. _NOTHING_ in the commercial indicates that Linux is an operating system.

Re:Doesn't tell us anything (1)

Yetihehe (971185) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570601)

Some random guy who has never heard of linux probably also doesn't know what's this operating thingy.

and I'm FreeBSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570371)

Mac: Hi, I'm a Mac
PC: I'm a PC
Linux: I'm Linux
FreeBSD: And I'm FreeBSD.
Linux: Netcraft confirms that FreeBSD is dead.
(Linux morphs into a T-Rex and swallows FreeBSD in one bite.
Linux: uuuuuuurp.
(Fade out)

Re:and I'm FreeBSD (4, Funny)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570483)

Linux: Netcraft confirms that FreeBSD is dead.

Economy.

pause

Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Some classical music, crescendo

Linux

Less is more.

bwahahahahaha! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570403)

i'm soooo glad i'm not linux. this crap is embarrassing.

Re:bwahahahahaha! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570673)

YA RLY!

How about... (1)

iamhigh (1252742) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570555)

Trying to push your operating system by running a website that can actually host the videos? I dunno, that might tell me that you have your act together better than some kids pushing back at "tha Man", man. Second story on this topic (that I have seen), second time I can't get to the videos. Or are they running IIS?

Re:How about... (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570929)

Funny, I dunno if you've heard of this little site that hosts a few videos link [youtube.com]

i just bought a vista pc, with loathing (2, Interesting)

cinnamon colbert (732724) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570607)

I went down to microcenter in cambridge, ma, a half mile from mit and harvard. they don't even stock linux computers.
I do my taxes on the computer (so even if they make linux tax software, i have to import, or run wine) my kids use windows for gaming (so i have to know something about it to help them).....
I actually installed ubuntu under wubi on my last laptop: it worked fine: so what
why should i switch if there is ZERO incentive for me to use linux - i get absolutely nothing from linux that i don't get from windows; it is not easier to use, it is not faster, it is not anything that i need
until the linux community patents a new type of software that i have to have and it runs only on linux, I' wont switch, even tho the thought of giving more money to redmond makes me want to puke

Re:i just bought a vista pc, with loathing (4, Insightful)

daeley (126313) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570961)

why should i switch if there is ZERO incentive for me to use linux [...]

the thought of giving more money to redmond makes me want to puke

Well, it sounds like you have greater than zero incentive to me. Perhaps there are other reasons you will discover.

Re:i just bought a vista pc, with loathing (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571193)

His choices are pay for Windows and use his computer, or pay for Linux with his time... just to get what he already does using Windows.

Given that Windows does what he wants, and clearly Linux doesn't, I'm not sure why he doesn't want to pay.. except for being cheap. Which is fine.

Re:i just bought a vista pc, with loathing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27571221)

When I started using linux it was because of work. I ended up installing ubuntu on my machine at the time and would switch back and forth until I realized that the only thing I used windows for was illustrator and games. Since I grew out of main stream games, I threw away windows and just ran ubuntu. The smoothness of the operating system, the depth of free programs, and the ease in programing won me over, not to mention the security, lack of constant virus protection, defragmenting and the price.
And I do all my taxes on my (ubuntu) computer as well without a problem. And the last time I was at that actual microcenter(right by the trader joe and gas station) I believe I saw a linux machine for sale but it was about a year ago.
If you don't want to run linux fine. If you don't want to pay Redmond fine. There is always macs, a bit overpriced but still very good machines. Linux gives you options and freedom. But after living in MA for 6 years, I can see how those ideas can be confusing.

Re:i just bought a vista pc, with loathing (4, Insightful)

starfishsystems (834319) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571339)

It's okay if you're happy enough where you are. It sounds like you're used to a certain level of pain. Everyone's experience is unique.

For me, the math happens to run the other way. Here at work I'm forced to use Windows. I've been doing systems work for more than thirty years now, but fortunately it's almost never involved Microsoft products. The kinds of work I do have been in areas where Microsoft doesn't go, so it hasn't even been an option. When I switch to Windows it's endless irritation. Slow performance most of all, but everything, just everything is a little bit below par. My Linux systems are running on older hardware, never a problem, and easily eight or ten times more responsive.

So stay with Windows if you think it's faster and does what you need. After all, it's a free choice. Nobody is forcing you.

Re:i just bought a vista pc, with loathing (1)

ianare (1132971) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571359)

i just bought a vista pc ... [linux] is not faster

* head assplodes *

Won't load... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570841)

Just like linux. Can't get the stupid thing to work properly. Must be some backend driver problem.

Getting OLD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570847)

Can everyone just stop with the "I'm a fill-in-preferred-OS-here" ads? They're getting really long in the tooth and they and parodies of them stopped being funny or witty a long time ago.

Is it just me, (1)

Enleth (947766) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570913)

...or did anyone else think "we are Linux, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated" the moment they saw the headline?

Linux - How "Free" is it? (4, Insightful)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570947)

The ad brings up the idea that Linux is about freedom. Does Linux follow through on that promise?

I started using Ubuntu in December (hand in my geek card, I know). I tried once before with Mandrake about 5 years ago and it was too much work (honestly) for a hobby OS.

How free are people under Linux? I understand that it's about freedom of information, but when I think about the other possibilities that I might want to have in terms of User Interface manipulation (like the ad seems to suggest) I begin to wonder. Is there an easy (non-code, maybe even scripting) way to change the look of the UI? Is the UI as easy, fun, and colorful as the ad seems to suggest? These may seem like dumb questions to some, but if Linux wants market share they need to build a brand and follow through on that brand promise.

About freedom and intuition in applications: When trying to play a DVD on my girlfriend's brand new Ubuntu build it was necessary to download 3 different media applications (settled on VLC, but even that had a fatal bug sometimes) and sift for a while through google just to install the correct libs. I understand that the DVD format isn't free, but getting everything to work correctly was a bit of a chore. THAT is not freedom. THAT is frustration to a new user. If I hadn't been there I know she would have ditched the OS and gone back to Windows. She even picked up an "Ubuntu for Dummies" book (which did not fully describe getting a DVD to play) so she's by no means lazy about learning Linux.
She doesn't use the computer for too much but shouldn't the bare basics work immediately?

"Basics" are different for everyone (Aha! Another chance to have Linux be about freedom!) so shouldn't there be an option to walk people through what tasks they might use the computer for, then show them to the new user and make it enjoyably interactive to CHOOSE those programs, with an option somewhere to try out and learn other programs?

It's about freedom AND communicating that freedom effectively, and I feel the Linux community would benefit greatly from taking the time to concentrate on that aspect. If Linux (whatever flavor) is really about freedom, then that gift of freedom from developers comes with responsibility. That is a responsibility to coherently express how and what the OS can do.

If there really are a lot of people taking Linux notebooks/netbooks/desktops back, don't you think they at least *tried* tinkering with the OS? To me that says that the initial impression Linux gives may not be a helpful one.

If Linux is trying to get new users, shouldn't the focus be on effectively presenting the OS to new users?

In short, the ad seems cool, but Linux should get that ad out there and they should find a way to follow through on what effectively seems to be Linux's biggest shortcoming.

Re:Linux - How "Free" is it? (2, Insightful)

OolimPhon (1120895) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571223)

I understand that the DVD format isn't free, but getting everything to work correctly was a bit of a chore. THAT is not freedom. THAT is frustration to a new user.

That's nothing to do with linux, in a technical sense. That's an artifically-imposed legal restriction caused by entertainment monopolies who have no idea how to use technology. Don't like it? Write your congresscritter.

Re:Linux - How "Free" is it? (1)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571361)

She and I both understand that. However the experience was much more difficult than it probably needed to be. If it were an esoteric, little-used feature I can understand that. For a major feature, though, it seems like it could have been documented more and handled better is all. We had to try about half a dozen different ways of doing the same thing. Shouldn't there be an easier way?

Re:Linux - How "Free" is it? (1)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571293)

Is there an easy (non-code, maybe even scripting) way to change the look of the UI?

Yes, there are many window managers [xwinman.org] (many of which are pretty good too) to choose from that *completely* change the look of the UI.

Is the UI as easy, fun, and colorful as the ad seems to suggest?

Gnome and KDE are. Well, Gnome is easier but kde is more fun ;-).

These may seem like dumb questions to some, but if Linux wants market share they need to build a brand and follow through on that brand promise.

The deal with linux is that it doesn't "have to" do any of this, because it's like a tank - it won't suddenly run out of money, or have to "go away" because of falling market share. It keeps getting better, and nothing can really bring it down.

I understand that the DVD format isn't free, but getting everything to work correctly was a bit of a chore. THAT is not freedom. THAT is frustration to a new user.

You are confusing freedom with convenience here...

But wait... (1)

Antony-Kyre (807195) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571061)

Aren't Linux machines technically PCs?

The Allmighty Slashdot Effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27571111)

Could anyone please mirror the video?

Linux, a marketing distaster (4, Informative)

not already in use (972294) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571127)

The problem with marketing Linux, or at least *Linux* people marketing Linux, is that they seem to think that your typical layperson will place value in the same things that a technical Linux user does.

What we have here is an overly-vague advert that places emphasis on it being "free and open" and "choices." A typical end-user does not care about these things. They want a complete, integrated product that works. Free and open means little if nothing to these people.

Where people advocating the wider adoption of Linux truly fail is in realizing what people want, and instead trying to tell them what they want and what they should place value in. What makes Linux so great for some people is what makes it less adoptable for most. The real question is, does your desire for wider Linux adoption trump your desire for an loosely coupled OS with little integration and many choices?

I'm a huge linux fan boy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27571217)

...but seriously, when was the last time the apple servers got crushed for hosting one video?

linux/apache/linuxfoundation fail

Youtube mirror? (1)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571281)

The site video.linuxfoundation.org is dead as a dodo, presumably from Slashdotting. Anyone know of a Youtube (or whatever) mirror?

Troolkore (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27571297)

Linux is freedom? (2, Funny)

jweller (926629) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571367)

So wait, we are fighting to give the Iraqis Linux. Have we decided on a distro yet?

Preaching to the converted? (1)

toomanyairmiles (838715) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571369)

It's a really nice commercial, but it sells Linux to Linux users; plus as Bush discovered freedom is in the eye of the beholder. Linux is not a lifestyle product like Macs, but it could be a business product. If you want it to sell tell me (or in this case corporate middle management and small businesses) that it will cost me less, tell me that open office is compatible, tell me that Linux is interoperable, tell me it will run better on older lower spec hardware, and then tell me that the guys who set it up will cost me no more than the guys who set up my windows network. Talk about freedom all you want but freedom will not sell Linux because the OS may be free but the hardware, support and set up is not.

www.linuxfoundation.org non responsive? (1)

notaprguy (906128) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571371)

Is it just me or is the Linux Foundation site not working? Hmm... They must be running Windows Server. ;)
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