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What Do You Call People Who "Do HTML"?

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the onion-belters dept.

Programming 586

gilgongo writes "It's more than 10 years since people started making a living writing web page markup, yet the job title (and role) has yet to settle down. Not only that, but there are different types of people who write markup: those that approach the craft as essentially an integration task, and those that see it as part of UI design overall. The situation is further complicated by the existence of other roles in the workplace such as graphic designer and information architect. This is making recruitment for this role a real headache. So, how do you describe people who 'do HTML' (and CSS and maybe a bit of JavaScript and graphics manipulation)? Some job titles I've seen include: Design Technologist, Web Developer, Front-end Developer, HTML/CSS Developer, Client-side Developer and UI Engineer. Do you have any favourite job titles for this role?"

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586 comments

I just call them Web Designers (5, Informative)

revlayle (964221) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570613)

nt

Screwed? (4, Insightful)

wawannem (591061) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570759)

I mean, it's great to have someone available to handle that sort of thing, but can you really sustain a job with this as your only skill?

Re:Screwed? (2, Insightful)

YayaY (837729) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570789)

Webmaster

It's old fashion, I like it.

Re:Screwed? (4, Insightful)

telchine (719345) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570873)

A webmaster is someone who controls the content of a web site. It doesn't necessarily mean they "do HTML". they might just write a document in Word format and hand it to the web monkey to do up in HTML, or they might enter data into an HTML.

Whilst I refer to people who "do HTML" as web monkeys, I think Front End Developer might be what I'd put in a job ad. Strictly speaking, I think a Front End Developer should only apply to someone who knows Javascript too, but most web monkeys know a bit of that too.

Re:Screwed? (errata) (4, Insightful)

telchine (719345) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570887)

Errata:

"or they might enter data into an HTML."

Should be:

"or they might enter data into a CMS."

Re:Screwed? (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571069)

Modded for flamebait? Really? Webmaster is someone who controls the whole thing, and sometimes does his business on his own and even pays coders to do his stuff (those who write HTML etc). HTML/CSS Developer is a good title, and in description you can say what other knowledge is required/good for the job.

Re:Screwed? (1)

Penguin Follower (576525) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571195)

I mean, it's great to have someone available to handle that sort of thing, but can you really sustain a job with this as your only skill?

I personally know a guy that owns a web design service & consultancy with $100k/yr in revenue. Of course, he does much more than simple HTML pages. I know he has done things in ASP and PHP, maybe some other tech as well.

Re:I just call them Web Designers (3, Informative)

oneiros27 (46144) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570837)

But what about the people who are given pictures of what to code, and so there's very little actual 'design' aspect of it?

(I'm not saying that hand crafting code isn't an artistic process -- It's one of the many tasks I've do, I just don't deal too much with the graphics / colors / etc aspect of it ... that's left to the designers ... I deal with taking someone else's design, figuring out what it'd take to implement it in HTML, and then write the programs to generate it dynamically and interface with the database)

When I've had a job where that was my primary task, we normally differentiated the two groups as 'Designers' vs. 'Developers', where I fell into the Developer group. At my current job, I still make a few web applications, but it's not my primary focus -- mostly back-end work (database, a little sysadmin, SOAP interfaces, a whole bunch of automated tasks to feed the interfaces), with various clients, including a web-based app.

The 'official' job titles I've had, once you strip out the 'Junior', 'Senior', 'Lead', 'Principal', etc:

  • Programmer/Analyst
  • Multimedia Applications Analyst
  • Systems Programmer
  • Systems Engineer
  • Software Engineer

(I'd personally steer away from the 'engineer' titles if I could -- as those in the field aren't PEs.)

Re:I just call them Web Designers (4, Insightful)

Knara (9377) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571173)

Oh god, not the "if you don't pass the PE test you can't call yourself an engineer" nonsense again.

Re:I just call them Web Designers (4, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571397)

In many places, It's a protected word. Like Doctor. You don't want people who aren't doctors around calling themselves a doctor, prescribing drugs and doing surgery, and you don't want people who aren't civil engineers designing bridges. I think the same should be true for the software field.

Re:I just call them Web Designers (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27571401)

In some jurisdictions (such as here in Ontario), it's illegal to call yourself an engineer if you aren't licensed. The word is also trademarked by the regulatory body.

Re:I just call them Web Designers (1, Insightful)

MicktheMech (697533) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571415)

It's not nonsense it's true (everywhere but the U.S.). Engineering is a profession. If you can't bother meeting that profession's standards then don't identify yourself with it.

Re:I just call them Web Designers (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27571025)

Designers = artists. They plan layouts (often just static images and slide shows).
Developers = coders who realize a designer's plan.

Two different jobs, two different skill sets. Some (FEW!) people bridge the gap.

Re:I just call them Web Designers (3, Funny)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571133)

I just call them MySpace users.

Re:I just call them Web Designers (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571461)

Shorter version... Wankers.

Re:I just call them Web Designers (1)

howman (170527) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571203)

I think the tile of 'Idiot who made this web page stoopid' sums it up most of the time.

Re:I just call them Web Designers (1)

swabeui (1291044) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571249)

Does it matter what they are called?

A job description is all that matters. If they need to be strong in HTML/CSS with Javascript then put that in the listing. If they need to do design, put that. In this economy I can assure you that all potential candidates will look for any posting with "web" in it.

Re:I just call them Web Designers (2, Interesting)

Reckless Visionary (323969) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571323)

These people don't design, they take a design and create web pages from it. We have always called them Web Production Artists or Web Production Specialists. They are not designers, nor developers. Just like the print world, where Print Production is a widely recognized discipline.

I call them.. (4, Funny)

onion2k (203094) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570619)

Rude names. :)

Web Monkey? (5, Funny)

bcmm (768152) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570621)

Web Monkey?

Re:Web Monkey? (2, Funny)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570665)

Second on web monkey. No design skills and just do front end? Web monkey is the HR term I believe.

Re:Web Monkey? (1)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570683)

You beat me to it.... Mods, below you'll find one of my posts saying the same thing. Feel free to mod redundant :-)

Re:Web Monkey? (2, Funny)

jbeaupre (752124) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571183)

Web monkey is a good entry position title.

If they are especially clever, they might be promoted to Code monkey.

If they are especially bad, they might be demoted to to Trunk monkey.

Unemployed? (5, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570623)

Propaganda as Nebulous as Apple's or Microsoft's

Unemployed? Seriously, expand your skill set and learn the backend and basic services so you can start to call yourself a full fledged "web developer."

House wives with spare time between cooking and putting the kids to bed make geocities pages with HTML. My advice is to not rely on something like that for your livelihood.

Re:Unemployed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570753)

Propaganda as Nebulous as Apple's or Microsoft's

Wrong quote, I meant to quote the title of this article (still had the last title of my last post in my ctrl-c):

What Do You Call People Who "Do HTML"?

Funny or an idiot? (3, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570957)

Housewives spend their time cooking. Yet many a cook makes a living doing that as well. you suggest being a cook is a not a real proffesion?

How about child care? No money to be made there either?

Give me someone who can do proper HTML anytime over some jack of all trades who can do everything a little bit but is master of none.

Sure, if you think slashdot layout is good, then perhaps you don't need a html/css wizard but some of us have higher standards.

If you are serious about web apps you need just a good a HTML "coder" as a database expert and sysadmin as a coder and project manager.

But what to call it? No idea, the job is pretty rare on its own but as long as HTML is constantly evolving standard raped by every browser, only a handfull will be really good in it.

Re:Funny or an idiot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27571121)

Hmm, someone that is a pure html coder. Honestly I would not higher someone like that unless I thought they were low to average intelligence, I find your reference to idiot ironic. If that was the only thing someone did I would expect them to get extremely bored after they mastered it and eventually produce crap code. If they were of lower intelligence then there is the chance that they find it challenging and rewarding and will continue to produce great code. The best part is that you can get away with paying them less.

proof is in the pudding-Irony? (1)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571289)

I myself wonder, are you available for hire? I'm guessing you'd be cheap.

Re:Funny or an idiot? (4, Insightful)

lwsimon (724555) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571199)

Amen. Lots of people can "do HTML" - in Dreamweaver.

Give me someone who can create clean, syntactically correct, semantic markup. That's a rare gem, indeed.

Re:Funny or an idiot? (4, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571205)

The issue isn't that good HTML is not useful, it's that producing good HTML is no longer enough of a skill. Competent designers are now producing HTML and CSS themselves, where a decade ago they were producing mockups in Photoshop and passing them off to an HTML jockey to turn into real layouts. From the other end, a lot of HTML is automatically generated from templating systems, so the back-end developers will be given a design by the interaction and design team and will create the HTML. Unless you can do either the human-computer interaction and / or creative design part, or the back-end processing you don't have the skills to develop for the modern web. Even these skills are starting to amalgamate. I know a few web developers who started at one end (either as graphic artists or as programmers) and are now doing the whole stack, from conception to implementation.

Re:Funny or an idiot? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571437)

Give me someone who can do proper HTML anytime over some jack of all trades who can do everything a little bit but is master of none.

Sounds great, you paying "master" pay? oh wait you wont?

That's why you got the jack of none instead. I love unrealistic expectations nobody has the web coder, the Flash guy, the Graphic artist and the HTML guy anymore. They fired 3 of them, downsized and asked the one left that was willing to take a 50% pay cut to do everything else.

Re:Unemployed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27571189)

When you get into building applications that server millions of uniques a day, having no-one on staff who specializes in front-end only issues is a huge mistake (and I don't mean QA only). The truth of the matter is that if you're a good back-end developer, you shouldn't have to keep in mind the differences of how to deal with ie6 vs opera rendering, you should just be worried about the most efficient way to spit out the html that will be styled by a team of css people, and be done with it.

Ummm.... (0)

jockeys (753885) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570633)

an average high school student?

Well (1)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570651)

Web-monkey? :-P

Webmonkey (1)

Tx (96709) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570655)

Webmonkey. Can't quite pay them bananas yet, but it's getting that way.

Re:Webmonkey (1)

SunSpot505 (1356127) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571309)

As a self-employed "Internet Application Interface Developer" who makes the equivalent to 1lb bananas/Hour I resemble that remark!

Do you want us to be creative with this? (4, Informative)

east coast (590680) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570661)

Is this going to end up in a Sniglets book or something?

Who cares what you call them, just about any job has a number of titles that are commonly associated with it. I call them web developers but if this is a popularity contest you should have done a Slashdot Poll instead.

Not very bright in most cases (-1, Redundant)

SlappyBastard (961143) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570669)

Not to be a troll, but the vast majority of people who do HTML plus a little CSS and maybe some JS aren't very bright and aren't very valuable. I mean, if you can handle JS you have no excuse for not learning PHP.

Re:Not very bright in most cases (3, Insightful)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570729)

Not to be a troll, but the vast majority of people who do HTML plus a little CSS and maybe some JS aren't very bright and aren't very valuable. I mean, if you can handle JS you have no excuse for not learning PHP.

But why should an employer pay for PHP when all he needs is the basic skills? The point of the question is that they need to hire some people with basic skills, but they don't know what to call the skillset.

BTW, I vote for "web layout artist".

Re:Not very bright in most cases (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570853)

The thing is, web design isn't any more complicated than making a good power point presentation. You don't put out an employment ad for "Power Point Jockey," you look for someone who has that skill set, as well as some other skill set you need.

Re:Not very bright in most cases (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571005)

If I need to crank out 400 HTML pages, I'll hire an HTML jockey.

If I need to crank out 400 ppt presentations, I'll hire a temp ppt jockey.

There is no reason to hire & pay for skills that won't be used. If I don't have enough HTML/ppt work to keep the respective employee occupied, then I think about either hiring someone part-time, or then I think about complimentary skills.

If I can get extra skills at the same price, then of course I'll do so (unless I think that makes the prospective hire a flight risk). The point is to avoid overpaying for simple work.

Re:Not very bright in most cases (2, Informative)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571057)

The thing is, web design isn't any more complicated than making a good power point presentation.

PowerPoints are not interactive. They share some concepts with web design, but you could also say they share concepts with laying out a newspaper or posting a floor map in a museum: it needs to look nice and be well-organized so that the viewer walks away with the proper information and message. But making a good web site is quite a bit more complicated than making a good PowerPoint, in concept and in actual production of the thing. And in management.

Then again, you didn't say "GOOD web design"... you just said "web design." In that case, carry on.

Re:Not very bright in most cases (1)

lwsimon (724555) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571225)

Web design is far more complex than webdesign. Poor webdesign is point-and-click, but to do it properly, you're going to need a text editor.

It's harder than that (2, Insightful)

Nerdposeur (910128) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571269)

The thing is, web design isn't any more complicated than making a good power point presentation.

Really? So there's a drag-and-drop program with nice visual effects that creates a standards-compliant page that works in all browsers, is accessible and resizable, and degrades gracefully when JS/CSS aren't available? Because last time I checked that was kinda hard.

Or were you thinking of crappy pages made in Microsoft FrontPage?

(Note: I sass you hesitantly because I recognize your username and remember you are a smart guy. :) )

Re:Not very bright in most cases (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570839)

Nobody should ever learn PHP, it's a horrible language and the people that use it are horrible too.

Re:Not very bright in most cases (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571115)

It is a horrible looking language but it's fun. Almost as fun as trolling! ;)

Re:Not very bright in most cases (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571335)

Well considering alot of the Web 2.0 applications that are out there, that JS/CSS combo can get pretty convoluted and complex. I've seen some people do some complex stuff with JS/CSS that's used by Google and Yahoo and Amazon. That's why we were talking just about HTMl because I don't think anyone would knock the Web2.0 stuff that's going on which actually involves a bit of know how and the front-end now becomes a development platform as much as the backend.

Re:Not very bright in most cases (1)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571417)

I mean, if you can handle JS you have no excuse for not learning PHP.

Like learning Java instead.

Re:Not very bright in most cases (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571471)

I thought that the idea was to move away from toy languages to doing something like, you know, actual programming.

'Expendable' (5, Insightful)

GauteL (29207) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570671)

The time where 'doing HTML' (and CSS) was enough to give you a decent career is over imo.

Re:'Expendable' (5, Insightful)

Samschnooks (1415697) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570989)

The time where 'doing HTML' (and CSS) was enough to give you a decent career is over imo.

Aside from very specialized work or defense contracting, I think that's becoming true of all coding. More and more of it, especially the business development is going overseas or is being replaced by newer types of technology - see BPEL. Who needs a programmer when the accounting department can just draw their process and have something implement it.

And as far as those tools are concerned, you have the very rare CS person design those things and then have the overseas guys code that thing. Even then, all those CS folks that the developing countries are paying to be trained out of the tax dollars, will be able to design and develop their own systems cutting out us in the developed World. India is constantly weeding out the "dumb" folks and sending the smart ones to IIT or over here to study. Which means those of us who are average will be SOL.

There's no more room for average or above average folks anymore in the Globalized World. You are either exceptional or you're working at Walmart. I think the skilled trades are going to have a renaissance in popularity in a few years - that will be one of the few places where a young person will have a future. No wonder parents today are so concerned about their kids and hover around them!

Yes, I am extremely pessimistic about our futures.

Re:'Expendable' (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571215)

Maybe you just need to move, or move to a different industry. Most of the folks I know who are good at their jobs in the coding field are gainfully employed.

Re:'Expendable' (1)

The Moof (859402) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571257)

Yes and no. I think jobs doing HTML and CSS have moved from the techies and programmers to the graphic designers. So as a CS major, yes, the career in doing HTML+CSS is dead. As a graphic designer, it's another skill that's actually pretty desirable with a lot of jobs.

Nephew? (4, Funny)

Infernal Device (865066) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570677)

As in, "Why am I paying you to do this? My newphew can do that!"

Re: Nephew? (2, Funny)

stoned_hamster (1531291) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571385)

I remember back in school when the teachers didn't know how to arrange their website on the school site. I basically did all their coding and whenever they needed help, I was called, using the phrase: "Yo! You in the second row. Yeah you who knows how to do HT-whatever. C'mere!"

Unemployed? (4, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570701)

What's this, a set up for a joke about unemployment?

In my more recent experience, html people are liberal arty types who pick up some web design to complement their other skills. Photographers, animators, graphical artists. Webapp designers usually have some html, but often you have a coder and a design person and they have different responsibilities.

HTML by itself just isn't a marketable skillset anymore. Hell, it's hard enough being a graphic artist, or a flash designer, or something like that, who also does html.

Markup Writer (2, Insightful)

oskard (715652) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570709)

You're a markup writer. Even if you're the best, most semantic, standard following markup writer in the world, you're not a web developer. If you only know the basics of CSS and Javascript, you can hardly call yourself anything but a markup writer.

Design technologist? You're not designing anything.
UI Engineer? Sorry, you're not really engineering anything if you're only using HTML. Either that or you're writing bloated, non-semantic markup.
Front-end / Client Side Developer? If the front end is ONLY HTML (what a boring site)

Re:Markup Writer (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570843)

Design technologist? You're not designing anything.

I've found most people in this role these days also do graphic design. Or they also do development. Take your pick. "Just HTML" is a dead profession.

Re:Markup Writer (0, Offtopic)

American Terrorist (1494195) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570893)

Your sig is retarded.

Re:Markup Writer (0, Offtopic)

buswolley (591500) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571117)

Yous is not much better than a bad troll. Don't get me wrong:

Web Monkey (2, Funny)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570733)

Everyone assumes web design is as simple as it was 15 years ago, when it reality it has gotten extremely complex. People just tell you to make a web page do something, and they expect you to work like a good little monkey.

Web Designer (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570737)

It's a bit of a misnomer, but what else can you call it? Someone who creates dynamic content is a developer, so if they're not JUST doing HTML and CSS then you could perhaps advertise for that, or perhaps "Creative Web Developer" but that sounds fruity. Bottom line is that you're advertising a job to your potential market of applicants and it's up to you to decide what kind of people you want to attract.

Web Designer (3, Insightful)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570739)

Web Designer. At least that title was used a lot in off-shores/out-sourcing companies I had to deal with.

Web Developer was also used, but to lesser extent and only to distinguish those who can also do JavaScript, PHP, Perl, etc.

Easiest way to find the word du jour is to check job listings.

Well (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570751)

Since HTML is simply a markup language, using tags....a child of SGML, my vote is for 'tagger'.

There was a comment on a developer list (Obj.C) the other day... "I know a fair amount of HTML, so what's the best way for me to learn how to code?"

HTML brings none of the discipline and barely any of the logic associated with coding - call them 'lackeys' or 'site maintenance wonks' - if that's their strength please don't raise them above the status of a fluff girl...

Underqualified? (4, Interesting)

drolli (522659) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570795)

Qualified would be

a) does HTML, is a graphics designer, can write decent text and hase some education in UI design

b) does HTML, programs any server-side-language (according to the current fashion) and knows Javascript very well, and knows UI (and can talk to class a))

c) does HTML, does databases and knows how to efficiently xslt the xml response of the database by heart and can talk to class b)

Seriously, the original job description given would have been appropriate in 1997.

Does anyone still write html? (1)

Samschnooks (1415697) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570819)

With all the WYSIWYG web authoring tools out there and CMS systems, does anyone still sit down and actually write HTML anymore?

I still do because I'm too cheap to buy software and too lazy to look for a F/OSS package.

But really, in a production (i.e. being paid to do it) environment actually code by hand??

Re:Does anyone still write html? (2, Insightful)

downix (84795) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571043)

I know quite a few people that do, such as myself, simply because I find it faster to work. I can also make it easier to read in source code than the spaghetti code most of the GUI apps make, which means easier to track down issues, and there always are issues.

Re:Does anyone still write html? (1)

techprophet (1281752) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571079)

YES!!!!!!!!

WYSIWYG-type tools usually generate bloated non-semantic HTML. And CMS systems have to have the (X)HTML templates written.

Disclaimer: My WYSIWYG experience comes from Visual Studio Web and Dreamweaver MX 2004, CS3, and CS4.

Re:Does anyone still write html? (4, Informative)

Rhaban (987410) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571295)

Using a CMS never stopped anyone from writing HTML.
In a production environnement, you can't just use the CMS default template or download one from some website. You must design your own template, unique for each website you develop.
It usually starts with a client who want something between impossible and just plain stupid (My site must be round. There a too many rectangle sites out there already), followed by a salesman who want his 3% (no problem sir, everything in your site will be round), then a designer who makes a .psd without thinking or knowing about what can or can't be done with html (I think this round site would look better with a lot of shadows and fake-3d effects), and then a developper spends hours to write HTML/CSS that will make the site look like what the client asked for, only to be told "it does not look very good on my internet explorer 4.0".

Then the developper commits suicide.

Simple (5, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570821)

  • Coder - One who codes a document with some markup (HTML)
  • Programmer - One who writes computer language to generate a document (HTML or other things)
  • Designer - One who produces HTML using a program (i.e. Dreamweaver)

Those would be my definitions as they relate to the production of HTML. Betty, the lady who types things up, puts them into some simple HTML, and makes a few things italic or bold or adds images is a coder. Bob, who uses PHP to make dynamic pages, is a programmer. Jerry, who uses Dreamweaver to do both, is a designer.

Re:Simple (2, Insightful)

ausekilis (1513635) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571365)

One adjustment I'd make is to put the word "Web" in front of all of those. Nothing pisses me off more than a job opening for a "Software Engineer" that is nothing more than writing HTML with a little bit of Javascript thrown in for good measure. To say just "Programmer" is not enough, since that could mean any language, including markup languages. Beyond that, I'd say you've got a reasonable definition... it puts all the MS monkeys into the "Software Designer" category...

Web Producer (4, Interesting)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570851)

My title is Web Producer [indeed.com] . I didn't pick it, and I sometimes introduce the title with a joke about shooting spider webs from my wrists, or making prosthetic webbed feet for ducks who have lost their paddlers in tragic accidents. It's meant to be "web producer" as a role, like "movie producer" or "music producer", but it sounds stupid. Mainly it means I "do HTML" plus a lot of other digital/interactive design stuff (including programming and database work), and I manage other people who do this stuff.

IMO, there is a difference between a "web designer" and a "web developer" -- the former is closer to a graphic designer and focuses on making stuff pretty, while the latter is closer to a programmer and focuses on making stuff work. In big web studios, there are fleets of "web designers" who create interfaces in heavily-layered Photoshop files, and turn them over to "web developers" who convert them into working web interfaces. It lets people focus on a specific aspect of the process. However, I think something is lost in the process... if possible, a web designer ought to understand the power and limitations of HTML/CSS/etc. Maybe I spent too much time in art school, but I liken it to advanced painters who learn how to make their own paint from pigments/oil/etc., or ceramists who can make their own clay from the raw powders. In a similar vein, I think a web designer should know how to mix their raw materials too: pixels, code, etc.

That's my ideal, anyway.

Re:Web Producer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27570923)

You could perhaps clarify your title by changing it to 'Interweb producer'?

Re:Web Producer (1)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570967)

You could perhaps clarify your title by changing it to 'Interweb producer'?

Yeah, but then I'd lose the opportunity for a stupid duck joke. Although I might be able to replace it with something about Ted Stevens....

I do some freelance work too, and call myself a "web designer" there, even though I can handle the programming and hosting management too. I just have more fun with the design part.

Re:Web Producer (1)

thethibs (882667) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571253)

I thought "interweb" and "intertubes" had replaced "infobahn" as the mark of a teenynerd trying to sound kewl.

Well ... (2, Informative)

krou (1027572) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570875)

I've done web development for over 10 years now, and "Web designer" or "Web Developer" are the two titles I was most used to when I looked for jobs in this field. These days, my job title is Senior Web Developer, which means I'm essentially a team lead, and my remit covers a number of other fields that, while web related, are not simply just about web page design. (e.g. Server optimization for high-volume traffic, MySQL database design, etc).

Graphic designer implies someone whose strength lies primarily with graphics, rather than a good understanding on web page construction, and how to optimize a page for best performance. They'll likely have number of other graphic-related skills, such as in print media.

An information architect is certainly not what you're after, since that is far more abstract and higher level, IMO, than just a simple code monkey. While they would have an excellent understanding of Web Design and Database Design, I imagine their graphical expertise is very low, and they're far more interested in what should be done, rather than doing it themselves.

Design Technologist and UI Engineer sound like their primary focus is on usability, and therefore may be weak in other areas.

Re:Well ... (1)

krou (1027572) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570921)

Oh, and I suppose I should also add that the term "developer" implies PHP or some other Web programming language knowledge, but "designer" and "developer" seem pretty much interchangeable these days, so it's not always true.

I call them (1)

Peepsalot (654517) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570939)

noobs

Web Authors or Web Builders (2, Insightful)

Frag-A-Muffin (5490) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570953)

Don't let them fool you into thinking they're programmers ;)

Seriously though, HTML is usually a starting point and they usually go on to design or web programming. You have to start somewhere.

Interface Developer / Designer (1)

childofgaia (1532261) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570981)

That's basically what you do. Develop interfaces, a web interface. Based on strict conventions. I call myself ID because I do both design and developing. ID is both Interface Developer and Interface Designer. Touche!

"HTML Guy" (2, Interesting)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 5 years ago | (#27570983)

No, really.

They are distinct (or should be, on any project larger than a local church site) from the graphic designer and the "DB Guy."

I've seen all sorts of crazy titles on their resumes, and that's fine, self-esteem and all that, but "HTML Guy" is how we refer to them.

Now, gather 'round and have some peppermints: Back in the Day, 1992-93, when I project-managed my first website, we were paying "Web Guys" six figure salaries, cuz basically Corporate needed it yesterday and it was all a big mystery. Had something to do with computers, they said, so the Web Guys came out of the IT Departments, bringing their blink tags with them. Within a very short time, it became clear that it was the Art and Content that mattered, and that's where the money went. (Best Analogy: On Broadway, nobody pays to watch the Stage Crew, essential though they may be.) The smart art and design people learned what they needed to hang out a Web shingle, and the HTML-only guys were sent back to the server room. Some of them became "designers" (they're usually the ones singing the praises of "neat" and "clean" designs; translation: they'll electrocute themselves if they try to open PhotoShop), but the smarter ones moved over to the Web DB side of things.

What do we call the "HTML-Only Guys" today? How about: "hungry"

Typist (2, Funny)

SSpade (549608) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571021)

Even a webmonkey does some backend work.

Webmaster? HTML coder? (1)

b0ttle (1332811) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571035)

I call them crazy.

Categories (4, Informative)

ianare (1132971) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571059)

There are two main groups that fall into this category: artists and engineers.

Artists (or graphic designers) will know HTML, CSS, maybe a little JS. But it will be to complement their 'real' skill set, which is photoshop, illustrator, maybe Flash, and the like. They will focus on making the page attractive to users, and if they are worth their salt, easy to navigate as well.

Engineers (or web application developers) will know HTML, JS, hopefully CSS (!), along with PHP, SQL, maybe Java or Ruby. Their natural environment is the backend, but they will know enough about page creation to get by, like for making proof of concept demos. Quite often their idea of an elegant and easy to use web interface is a bunch of text links and a button.

Of course, in real life, you find yourself doing a combination of these things.

Oh, and to answer the original question : what do you call someone that does HTML, CSS, JS and nothing else ?
A: an intern.

I call them (1)

bigmiken (803382) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571103)

OUTSOURCED

What I call ours (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27571125)


Ours is referred to as "Stupid Cunt Who Is Learning As She Goes But Has A Job Because Her Boss Believes Her Catchphrase-Laden Bullshit" aka "Web Designer"

Enterprise Architects (1)

SpuriousLogic (1183411) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571137)

After multi-year stints at IBM and at other companies, I have come to learn that those who write HTML are called Enterprise Architects. I have seen management time and time again put these people in charge of site development. At IBM I actually had an "Enterprise Architect" tell me that they build Java right into their web page. I thought he meant a older Type 1 JSP page. Nope, turns out he meant Javascript, and we all know that Java is to JavaScript like Car is to Carpet.

Personally, I don't think these people should even have jobs, if writing HTML is their only skill. This is such a low brainpower job that writing HTML can be wrapped into another low brainpower job, like mid-level management

Simple... (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571143)

What Do You Call People Who "Do HTML"?

"perverts"

well... (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571145)

considering the way most websites are designed nowadays i would call them idiots, (or their supervisors are) :D

Program (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571161)

By now, the most common cases are that you use a program that generates the HTML and/or you did that program.

Code Monkey (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571179)

Code Monkey

Not an easy job... (4, Insightful)

gravyface (592485) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571291)

Depending on how you're developing your site and/or Web application, having a guy or gal that can take the designer's design mockup (usually still in .PSD format) and properly interpret it into clean HTML and CSS wireframes is a godsend for the Web Developers.

There's a lot of finesse involved in doing this right: you need to make sure it works in all browsers, that the page size isn't too large, and that it stretches and scrolls and wraps in all the right places. And no, Dreamweaver still doesn't cut it, so it takes quite a bit of skill and experience to do it right.

With experience, most of the good ones move either up or down the stack, depending on their interest/strengths, but we wouldn't have been able to complete several large client projects without our "HTML/CSS/JS/UI/stuck-between-a-rock-and-a-hard-place guy".

Front end developer (1)

Scyber (539694) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571303)

Front end developer is the most common term I hear nowadays. A combination of design skills, HTML skills, CSS skills, and a smattering of JS is usually the skillset I see for Front end developers.

Dying breed (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571317)

Unless you can design as well the role of just writing html, css and JavaScript is going away because the web is just becoming too dynamic for such a role to exist without the person doing some actual design as well, imo.

Mind you there are still companies that have people that will focus on the design (or contract it out), some receives a PSD and builds out templates for to be used within code and in some ways that's preferable. Rather than wasting the designer's time worrying about new standards, they can focus solely on coming up with great designs, new trends in the look & feel for web sites and it means the guy coding Java, PHP or whatever all day doesn't have to worry about new changes in HTML / CSS standards either.

But the thing is unless you work for a web design/development company then your employer probably only has an Intranet and a few websites. They won't necessarily have someone designing full time so it's expected that they do the design and the mark-up.

It would be good to either learn more code or design and future proof your career or live with the fact future employment may only come from small time companies that aren't quite up to date like larger companies.

Anything but an Engineer (1)

xirusmom (815129) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571329)

I think it was Microsoft who started this crap. I am sorry, but an Engineer is someone who holds an Engineering Degree, period! And of course I am talking about an accredited degree. Call yourselves whatever you want, but leave Engineering alone.

Someone with an hour to spare. (1)

immakiku (777365) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571353)

HTML you can learn in about 30 minutes. The rest of it takes significantly more investment of time. To me, "knowing HTML" is about as worthy of a title as "knowing how to use a calculator" is.

If you're looking for someone who can create static pages for you, the title should be "Web Designer". And that will net you people with a whole range of skill sets. Ideally be specific about what you want to be made or be specific about all the skills you require.

What Do You Call People Who "Do HTML"? (1)

Adolf Hipster (1486687) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571391)

Obsolete

Depends on the role (1)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571407)

Write web pages - Web Author / Copy Writer
Write web pages and javascript - Webhack / Webmonkey / Web User Interface Specialist
Write complex back-ends with tens or hundreds of thousands of lines of code in Rails, PHP, Perl, etc. - Software Engineer

Self-selected titles (1)

CyberDong (137370) | more than 5 years ago | (#27571481)

Where I work, we pick our own job titles... The 2 guys who do such work picked "Aesthetic Programmer" and "Code Monkey" for their business cards.

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