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Ubuntu 9.04 RC Released

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the delicious-candy dept.

Debian 239

Mohamed Zaian writes "The Ubuntu team has released the release candidate for Ubuntu 9.04; 'The Ubuntu team is happy to bring you the latest and greatest software the Open Source community has to offer. This is their latest result, the Ubuntu 9.04 release candidate, which brings a host of excellent new features.' The various other Ubuntu-derived distributions, like Kubuntu, have also had their RCs released."

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Anyone have a list? (1)

Frac O Mac (1138427) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607583)

I've tried to find a list of the new features but I can't find anywhere with what looks like a complete one. Anyone want to help me out here? All I've noticed are that things look slightly different and then a couple things here and there.

Re:Anyone have a list? (5, Informative)

Dreadneck (982170) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607609)

Re:Anyone have a list? (1)

Frac O Mac (1138427) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607677)

I've seen that but I'm hoping for an all-inclusive list, there are updates that I've noticed that aren't listed there so I would think there are others too.

Can you give an example? (1)

Sits (117492) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608805)

What type of extra detail are you looking for?

Re:Anyone have a list? (3, Insightful)

noundi (1044080) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608809)

You can check the changelog of every own project/application if you're looking for specific features. I doubt they would compile an all-inclusive list like that. Besides I doubt you would even read it if they did, considering the size.

Re:Anyone have a list? (2, Informative)

Aphoxema (1088507) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607621)

I haven't found a very comprehensive list, but I've been using the beta on my Wind for weeks. The focus seems to be mostly on free video drivers, migrating to ext4, and as always, polishing up usability. There's supposed to be some big improvement on boot time, but I haven't really noticed it. Maybe I'll have to reinstall from scratch after the final release to see it.

I want to see an LPIA LiveCD, but all there is is the alternative install. With the alt installer I can't access the USB stick I install from and I can't see my hard disk.

Re:Anyone have a list? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27608069)

I've noticed a large improvement in boot times with ext4 on my thinkpad x21 and compaq ev0 n610. The compaq has gone from 2+ minutes to approximately 1 minute, so smiles all round for jaunty from me.

Re:Anyone have a list? (1)

geekboy642 (799087) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608117)

What I would dearly love to see from Ubuntu is sane webcam drivers. Migrating to V4L2 when few mainstream clients support it yet is a bone-headed decision. Not including the compatibility library by default is even more bone-headed. I finally gave up on trying to use zoneminder in Ubuntu for that very reason.
That, and maybe a default "relaunch service on segfault" setup. My mythserver needs to be checked every couple of hours to make sure it's still a server. Meanwhile I have an OpenBSD firewall that went 2+ years without needing any maintenance, and it would have a 3 year uptime if I hadn't moved.

Re:Anyone have a list? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27608291)

Mythtv is honestly a bit more complex than a firewall. There's a whole zoo of software running in the average Mythtv setup. In any case, I haven't ever seen my myth segfault. Maybe you have some funny hardware?

Re:Anyone have a list? (2, Informative)

jabithew (1340853) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608675)

I've recently installed the 9.04 beta fresh with ext4 and I haven't noticed an improvement in the bootime over 8.10, despite an upgrade from a Pentium D to Q6600.

Re:Anyone have a list? NIGGER sugarbitch (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27607681)

What's the difference between dog shit and niggers? When dog shit gets old it turns White and quits stinking.

What would you call the Flintstones if they were black? Niggers.

What do you call a nigger in a tree with a briefcase? Branch manager.

How come there aren't any Mexicans on Star Trek? They don't work in the future, either.

Why do niggers cry during sex? The Mace.

How do you stop a nigger from drowning? Take your foot off the back of his head.

How do you get a nigger out of a tree? Cut the rope.

What do you get when you cross a retard with a nigger? Someone who spray paints on a chain link fence.

Why do niggers stink? So blind people can know to stay away too.

What do you get when you cross a nigger and a spic? Someone too lazy to steal.

Why don't niggers take aspirin? They refuse to pick the cotton out.

What do nigger kids get for Christmas? Your bike.

What did Obama give the Queen? Your ipod.

What's a niggers idea of foreplay? "Don't scream or I'll cut you, bitch."

Why don't nigger kids play in the sandbox? Cats keep covering them up.

How do you babysit a niglet? Wet his lips and stick him to the wall.

How do you get him down? Teach him to say "Motherfucker."

How else do you babysit a niglet? Put Velcro on the ceiling and tell him to jump.

How do you get him down? Invite the spics over, blindfold them and tell them it's a piñata party.

What is a nigger on a bike? Thief.

What's long and black and smells like shit? The welfare line.

What do you call 50 niggers at the bottom of the ocean? Good start.

What is the worst 3 years of a niggers life? First grade.

How was break dancing invented? Niggers trying to steal hubcaps from moving cars.

Why do niggers keep chickens in their back yards? To teach their kids how to walk.

How do you know Adam and Eve were not black? You ever try to take a rib from a nigger?
What is a nigger? Proof that skunks fuck monkeys.

What's the difference between a dead dog in the road and a dead nigger in the road? The dead dog has skid marks in front of it.

What did Abe Lincoln say after a 3 day drunk? "I set WHO free?"

Why are chimps always frowning? They know in a million years they are going to turn into niggers.

Why is interrogating a Mexican like a pool ball? The harder you hit it the more English you get.

How many jews can you fit in a VolksWagon? Depnds on the size of the the ashtray.

A nigger and a spic jump off the Empire State Building, who hits the ground first? Who cares.

A nigger and a spic jump off the Empire State Building, who hits the ground first? The spic, because the nigger had to stop on the way down and spray paint "motherfucker" on the wall.

How many niggers does it take to pave a driveway? One if you spread him real thin.

How do chinks name their kids? They throw silverware down the stairs.

What's the difference between a nigger and a bag of shit? The bag.

What's the most confusing day in Harlem? Father's Day.

When does a Black man turn into a nigger? As soon as he leaves the room.

What do you call a nigger with a Harvard education? Nigger.

What do you say to a nigger in a 3 piece suit? Will the defendant please rise.

There is a nigger and a spic in a car, who's driving? The cop.

Why is Stevie Wonder always smiling? He doesn't know he's black.

How long does it take a nigger bitch to take a shit? 9 months.

Why don't nigger women wear panties to picnics? To keep the flies off the chicken.

Why does Alabama have niggers and California have earthquakes? California got first pick.

Why are niggers like sperm? Only one in a million actually work.

What do you call Mike Tyson with no arms? Niger nigger nigger.

Why do police dogs lick their ass? To get the taste of nigger out of their mouth.

What can a pizza do that a nigger can't? Feed a family of four.

Why did the nigger carry a piece of shit in his wallet? I.D.

What is red green yellow orange purple and pink? A nigger dressed for church.

Why do niggers have flat noses? That's where god put his feet when he was pulling off their tails.

Did you hear that the KKK bought the movie rights to Roots? They're going to re-make it backwards so it has a happy ending.

What is the difference between a white owl and a black owl? A white owl goes, "Who, who," a black owl goes, "Who dat? Who dat?"

Did you hear about the new Black Barbie? It comes with 12 kids, AIDS and a welfare check.

What is black, white, and rolls off the end of the pier? A nigger and a seagull fighting over a chicken wing.

What do you get when you cross a nigger with a gorilla? A dumb gorilla.

What is the difference between Batman and a black man? Batman can go out at night without Robin.

Did you hear about the new Chap Stick for niggers? It comes in a spray can.

What's the difference between niggers and pit-bulls? It's still legal to own a pit-bull.

What do you say to a black man in uniform? "I'll have a Big Mac with cheese and a coke."

Why do niggers walk the way they do? Because they spent the first nine months of their lives dodging a coat hanger.

Why do niggers call white people "honkies"? That's the last sound they hear before the white people run them over.

How do you stop a nigger from going out? Pour more gas on him.

Did you hear about the nigger with insomnia? He kept waking up twice a week.

What do you do if you run over a nigger? Reverse.

Why do decent white folks shop at nigger yard sales? To get all their stuff back.

Who were the three most famous women in black history? Aunt Jemima, Diana Ross, and Mother Fucker!

Hear about the new bumper sticker that says "Run, Jesse, Run"? You put it on the front of your car.

What do Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles have in common? They're both niggers.

How come Stevie Wonder & Ray Charles can't read? They're both niggers.

Why do niggers wear wide-brimmed hats? So pigeons can't shit on their lips.

Why did so many nigger soldiers get killed in Vietnam? Every time someone yelled "Get down!" the niggers would jump up and start dancing.

What do you get when you cross a nigger with a Vietnamese? Nothing. There are some things even a Vietnamese won't do.

What's black and tan and looks good on a nigger? A Doberman.

Did you hear about Ku Klux Knieval? He tried to jump 50 niggers with a steam roller.

Why was golf invented? So white people get a chance to dress like niggers.

What do you do if you see a nigger with half a head? Stop laughing and reload.

Why did god create orgasms? So niggers know when to stop.

Why did god give niggers rhythm? Because he fucked up their hair, nose and lips.

Why are so many niggers moving to Detroit? They heard there were no jobs there.

How do you fit 15 niggers in the back of a Cadillac? Don't worry, they'll figure it out.

What's yellow and black and makes you laugh ? A bus full of niggers going over a cliff.

How do you stop a nigger from drowning? You don't.

Whats blue and hangs in my front yard? My nigger I can paint him whatever color I want.

Why do seagulls have wings? To beat the niggers to the dump.

What's a crying shame? When a bus full of niggers drives off a cliff and there were 3 empty seats.

What does N.A.A.C.P stand for? Niggers Are Always Causing Problems

How many spics does it take to have a bath? Five, one to lie in the tub and four to spit on him.

What do a nigger and an apple have in common? They both look good hanging from a tree.

Why are niggers always buried 12 feet deep? Deep down they're good people.

What's the difference between a porch monkey and a yard ape? The length of the chain.

What's black, orange, and very pretty? A nigger on fire.

What do you have if you've got a nigger up to his neck in cement? Not enough cement.

How do you starve a nigger? Hide his welfare check under his work boots.

How do you get 12 niggers in a Volkswagen? Throw in a welfare check.

How do you get them out? Throw in a job application.

Why are there trees in Harlem? Public transportation.

How does a black woman fight crime? She has an abortion.

What do you say when you see your T.V. floating around at night? "Drop it nigger."

Re:Anyone have a list? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27607915)

Yep, I'd like to see a list like this too.

Most of the benefit of upgrading to a new release for me is getting the next versions of all the application that Ubuntu choses to bundle with each version, and this is usually ignored when people talk about changes to the release.

Specifically, I'd like a site to talk about the following common applications, including what version is included in the new release as well as the changes I can expect to see from the last Ubuntu release:

1. Amarok
2. Pidgin
3. Digikam
4. GIMP
5. Firefox
6. OpenOffice
7. Deluge

Obviously, this is a list of applications that I personally like, so a more exhaustive list is probably quite desirable.

Re:Anyone have a list? (1)

sticky_charris (1086041) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608407)

I am glad that mono has been brought up to 2.0.1 at last. Shame its not 2.4 but at least its an improvement.

Probably not high on everyone else's list though...

First Post... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27607599)

and I think Ubuntu is the greatest!!!

p.s. Can someone help me with my problem please? I don't know where I can find "My Computer" anywhere. And I think my monitor is broken because all I see is a brown theme going on. Much help appreciated. ;P

woohoo! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27607601)

I just released an obama. Today is a great day for niggers!

Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (0, Flamebait)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607605)

And that means rebooting.

Fuck that.

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (3, Funny)

tpgp (48001) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607651)

And that means rebooting.

Erm? Why is a reboot a problem?

Do you run Ubuntu on your server? (In which case, why would you be considering a Release Candidate?)

Or do you never reboot your home PC? (Surely you can afford a scheduled reboot overnight when you're sleeping).

Or are you just after uptime bragging rights? (That's really a bit sad on a home computer that isn't under heavy load)

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (2, Funny)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607699)

Takes effort to startup the programs that I keep running all the time on it.

Takes more effort to script them so I don't have to spend effort starting them up on every reboot.

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (1)

tpgp (48001) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607731)

Takes more effort to script them so I don't have to spend effort starting them up on every reboot.

You're kidding right? You're going to regret that decision if you lose power for longer than your UPS has batteries.

Honestly, it can't seriously be that much effort.

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607741)

Takes effort to startup the programs that I keep running all the time on it.

Takes more effort to script them so I don't have to spend effort starting them up on every reboot.

Then you should run netbsd.

echo some-program=YES >> /etc/rc.conf

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (1)

tpgp (48001) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607807)

echo some-program=YES >> /etc/rc.conf

What if the scripts he runs require a particular user? Or have startup dependencies? Or a million other things that can add complexity to a startup script.

netBSD has its advantages. This is not one of them.

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27607787)

Takes effort to startup the programs that I keep running all the time on it.

Your Porn Torrents?

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (3, Funny)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607805)

no, they restart automatically.. I mean, hey! I don't have any...........

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (4, Funny)

physicsphairy (720718) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607937)

Takes effort to startup the programs that I keep running all the time on it. Takes more effort to script them so I don't have to spend effort starting them up on every reboot.

How did you ever get Linux on your system in the first place?

My present hypothesis is that your system crashed and the Ubuntu CD was marginally closer to your workstation than the Windows reinstall disk.

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (2, Interesting)

emj (15659) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608759)

Actually, for me it was: Windows crashes I try to install it again but Windows fails to activate correctly and I can't use my license key anymore without calling support. That made me return to Linux, I should always be able to use my computer even if I can't get onto the net for a month of two.

Ubuntu being usable as a desktop by default was a strong argument as well.

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (1, Flamebait)

jadedoto (1242580) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607743)

Ubuntu is linux-based, not Windows. We're not used to rebooting all the time.

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (4, Funny)

tpgp (48001) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607785)

Ubuntu is linux-based, not Windows. We're not used to rebooting all the time.

Every 18 months is not "all the time".

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (0)

noundi (1044080) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608847)

Ubuntu is linux-based, not Windows. We're not used to rebooting all the time.

Every 18 months is not "all the time".

18 months running Windows!? Such torture is even prohibited by the Geneva convention.

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (5, Informative)

seizurebattlerobot (265408) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607951)

You are just being silly, right? Ubuntu 8.10 has had 5 kernel security updates in the 6 months since its release. Each one requires a reboot to be activated. Keeping a Linux installation secure requires frequent reboots.

I prefer running Linux instead of other operating systems, but I find it disheartening to read silly statements like this. Let Linux stand on its own merits; there is no need to lie on its behalf.

Here's that list in case you're curious:
http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-751-1
http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-715-1
http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-679-1
http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-662-1
http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-661-1

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (1)

jadedoto (1242580) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608123)

Slashdot ate my [/sarcasm] tag ;)

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (1)

Gavagai80 (1275204) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608339)

Yes, the reboot prompts are quite annoying. I like my odds better running an insecure linux delaying the reboot for a couple weeks than running an insecure windows doing the same, though, thanks to market share.

no remote attacks (1)

emj (15659) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608799)

Now while agreeing they are silly, since you have to restart applications with remote attacks (like, Firefox, Pidgeon etc). You are never secure on the local machine anyways. I think there were two remote attacks in those notices, SCTP and ndiswrapper neither should be common practice.

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (2, Informative)

fractoid (1076465) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607791)

And that means rebooting.

Erm? Why is a reboot a problem?

He was making a 'joke', or humerous implication that as a Linux user, rebooting is both an extremely rare occurrence, and something inconvenient enough to avoid (which it generally is, if you have the option to avoid it).

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (2, Interesting)

Gavagai80 (1275204) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608325)

When I go to bed I usually have a dozen untitled kwrite windows with short notes in them, several browsers whose auto-reloading of tabs I don't 100% trust to keep half-typed forum posts and the like (though FF seems better lately), and various programs like korganizer which I've been too lazy to figure out how to schedule to automatically join the system tray at startup. So rebooting is a pain, yes.

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27608865)

If you're using KDE (and I can assume you are, since you use KWrite) and you're using 4.x, try using the "notes" plasmoid. The good thing about it is that it remembers your notes, and they're always within easy access. The bad thing is of course that they suck at resizing and moving (is this fixed in 4.2?), and probably aren't as kind to your computers' resources as KWrite. Still, it works without hassle on my 2 year old Sony Vaio, so you should be OK.

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (1)

noundi (1044080) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608839)

And that means rebooting.

Erm? Why is a reboot a problem?

Do you run Ubuntu on your server? (In which case, why would you be considering a Release Candidate?)

Or do you never reboot your home PC? (Surely you can afford a scheduled reboot overnight when you're sleeping).

Or are you just after uptime bragging rights? (That's really a bit sad on a home computer that isn't under heavy load)

I guess the parent just likes to have the choice to choose freely. But I understand your point of view, my guess is for you rebooting your PC is synonymous to fixing your PC. Some of us moved away from such operating systems many years ago.

Oh yeah, bragging about having uptime is like bragging about having two legs. We don't make fun of the crippled but we embrace what we have.

Re:Gotta upgrade to 8.10 first (1)

linzeal (197905) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607719)

Lol, who cares? All my computers at home hibernate after no use for 2 hours. It has saved me 30-40 bucks a month in electricity costs that is a new 24" monitor every year or 2 sushi dinners a month. I don't think I have a single computer that is on 24 hours a day anymore at home and I love it.

Nice, but... (2, Informative)

DavidChristopher (633902) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607615)

Remember, this is "pre-release" software.

Looks like there's lot of good stuff in there though - X.Org 1.6, Gnome 2.26, a kernel based on 2.6.28, ext4 support... (I'm especially interested in wacom hotplug tablet support in a mainstream distro


This won't be the year of the linux desktop- but we'll see how it goes on my laptop :)

blah (3, Insightful)

nrgy (835451) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607691)

Eclipse 3.2.2 still? When do they plan on upgrading it? I mean they upgraded to PulseAudio and we all know how stable that thing is. *sigh*

I've tried running Eclipse builds from other repositories and seem to always have issues with them. It would be nice if they updated to a later version.

Re:blah (4, Insightful)

setagllib (753300) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608023)

Nobody I know uses the Ubuntu Eclipse package anyway. Just unpack Eclipse from eclipse.org somewhere and make a launcher for it. I also prefer to use the real JDK rather than OpenJDK, at least as long as OpenJDK has Swing bugs.

Re:blah (3, Interesting)

BlackCreek (1004083) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608649)

I second that. Eclipse can be a mess, downloading and installing it directly is, by far, the best option.

I have a bunch of co-workers using Eclipse and Ubuntu. Nobody even considers using the Ubuntu distributed version. The age of this bug should make it clear how much attention Eclipse gets in Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/81900 [launchpad.net]

I was going to say that for Java development you are normally better off by downloading and setting up everything yourself, but I guess that is also true for all other programming languages. At least I did that also when developing with Python.

upgraded yesterday (3, Informative)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607707)

So far so good, bootime looks good, speed seems reasonable. No problems with stability to speak of yet.

Re:upgraded yesterday (1)

jd (1658) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608277)

I've had problems with Firefox 3.0.8 and 3.5 installed at the same time, but that's not strictly a Ubuntu problem unless you consider the failure to de-install the old version when there's a clash a distro issue.

There have been a few other minor glitches here and there, but nothing I'd call substantial. Certainly nothing unexpected for a pre-release.

Some packages long-overdue for updating still haven't been. (A trivial example: ATLAS is at 3.6.0, the official stable version is 3.8.3 and the development version is 3.9.11.) However, that's not going to happen at this stage in the game and it's largely downstream packagers not packaging that's to blame.

Some bugs in the beta (including an odd one that caused the System menu option to sometimes think it was Firefox) have been ironed out and it looks pretty decent.

Re:upgraded yesterday (2, Informative)

Threni (635302) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608391)

I'm still looking for a cd/dvd burning app which works. Neither brasero or that kde one (k3d or something) does the verify step - they just freeze. The disks seem ok, but that's not good enough so I'm currently burning (and verifying) in windows. It used to work, so it's not my hardware. I've raised a bug report but that's not helped.

Re:upgraded yesterday (1)

batkiwi (137781) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608453)

Did you install both of those firefoxes from official debs from ubuntu, debs you "found" somewhere, or just from the dfault firefox installer?

ALL that ubuntu knows about is what's in dpkg. If you roll your own you should roll a deb so that it at least knows which files are effected.

ubuntu gets best practices paradigms-as-a-service! (4, Funny)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607727)

FeatureList-> here [ubuntu.com]

Among the features are "cloud computing" and "turn-key" email servers. *groan*. You guys have been saying "linux needs an advertising dept"...well this is what happens.

Beauty is still wanting (0, Troll)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607737)

Although it is said that "beauty lies in the hands of the beholder", I must mention that at first look, Ubuntu's interface looks dated whose icons are rather big.

When compared to Apple's OSX, KDE 4.2.2 or even Windows 7, Ubuntu's default interface does not inspire that much. Is this the best they could do?

I am aware that I will get tones of flak for this...I am ready so go right ahead.

Re:Beauty is still wanting (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27607771)

It's only a matter of opinion, I still think the default look isn't too bad at all... however I may be the only one. While I think the look is ok, they _have_ had the same look for quite some time now. Last time I checked they seemed to be saying that a new look would be coming with 9.10... but I think they said the same thing for the last three releases.

Re:Beauty is still wanting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27608037)

You are not the only one

I personally prefer the bit spartan look of gnome to KDE or Vista. I Think it makes UI easier to read and understand.

Re:Beauty is still wanting (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27608493)

It's only a matter of opinion, I still think the default look isn't too bad at all... however I may be the only one. While I think the look is ok, they _have_ had the same look for quite some time now. Last time I checked they seemed to be saying that a new look would be coming with 9.10... but I think they said the same thing for the last three releases.

Are you a nigger?

Re:Beauty is still wanting (3, Insightful)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607817)

http://www.gnome-look.org/ [gnome-look.org]

http://www.kde-look.org/ [kde-look.org]

no matter what the ubuntu devs choose for the default theme, someone is going to be unhappy and that is why we have whole domains devoted to hosting various shiny things to put on your *nix box to customize to your liking.

Re:Beauty is still wanting (1)

value_added (719364) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608029)

[N]o matter what the ubuntu devs choose for the default theme, someone is going to be unhappy and that is why we have whole domains devoted to hosting various shiny things to put on your *nix box to customize to your liking.

I'm no Gnome or KDE expert, but how exactly does opting for a different theme change, in the OP's words, an "interface ... whose icons are rather big"? Every screenshot or desktop I've seen uses large icons.

Dunno about everyone else, but I'd think that large icons should be considered a waste of real estate and a distraction. Assuming, of course, that you don't have a Very Large Monitor, or otherwise have little real work to do.

Re:Beauty is still wanting (1)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608199)

you can change the size of icons in the prefs. I don't know where anyone gets this idea that icons are somehow one size fits all...

Re:Beauty is still wanting (1)

Swizec (978239) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608439)

Desktops need big big icons. And only three or four of them, ten-ish if you're on a double large screen setup. Otherwise it just looks all too cluttered and annoying.

eyes...eyes (2, Funny)

choseph (1024971) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607855)

Isn't that "beauty lies in the cockles of the beholder" or "beauty lies to the beholder to escape its paralyzing glare"? Oh, eyes of the beholder, that's it.

Re:eyes...eyes (1)

Daswolfen (1277224) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608153)

Sorry... I made my save :)

Re:Beauty is still wanting (2, Insightful)

tpgp (48001) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607873)

I am aware that I will get tones of flak for this...I am ready so go right ahead.

I'll bet you're ready!

After all, you've had plenty [slashdot.org] of [slashdot.org] practice [slashdot.org] trolling [slashdot.org] linux users haven't you?

Re:Beauty is still wanting (-1, Flamebait)

Jamie's Nightmare (1410247) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607921)

Aye, you will be punished for expressing a negative opinion, no matter how prevalent, but you are certainly not alone. Ubuntu has a few strikes against it from the get go. The name "Ubuntu" and its doo-doo brown wallpaper, both a side effect of Mark Shuttleworth's African roots. Sorry, but most people picture Africa and imagine a starving child covered with flies, blood diamonds, and HIV. Stereotypes to be sure, but Africa just doesn't have enough positive attributes to make it fit for use in branding products.

Then you have Linux itself. While socially inept programmers are attracted to Linux development, highly talented and creative graphic artists are not. Dare I say they avoid Linux like the plague. It's simply not rewarding for them. Both Microsoft and Apple hire people with an eye for what looks good, and it shows. That, coupled with the fact that the majority of Linux users just don't care how bad it looks because they either run a server or spend 8 hours a day looking at terminal, IRC, and Emacs windows. For Christs sakes, you've still got people using Pine to read email purely for nostalgic reasons. They just don't care how bad it looks to anyone else.

Re:Beauty is still wanting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27607927)

Kubunu 9.04 sports KDE 4.2.1 and looks pretty good. But you know what's cool, I'm running it now as a liveCD from the iso image off the hard disk. You just need to get patcher.sh and run it on your iso file. It'll extract the kernel and initrd image, patch them, and then tell you what's needed in your /boot/grub/menu.lst file to create a boot menu item to boot the iso image off the hard disk.

here's the forum entry where you get patcher.sh

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6813226&postcount=25

I almost forgot, once you boot Kubuntu, open the "About Kubuntu" help item on the desktop and you'll get a little intro to Kubuntu and KDE.

Linux is becoming beautiful! (2, Interesting)

mcrbids (148650) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607945)

I upgraded a while ago to Fedora Core 10, running KDE with the HW accelerated desktop, Compiz and effects turned on. It almost never ceases to draw a surprise when I'm working while on display and casually turn the whole desktop into a cube, rotate it to a blank side, and put it back down!

It's damned good looking and makes even OSX 10.5 look dated! I use OSX and didn't really notice it until I went to buy a new screen and saw OSX on display.

Windows is about as exciting as watching bread turn green, but even MacOS looked kinda plain compared to my sexy new laptop display!

And I'm talking about simple looks, here. To be honest, it still has some stability issues that annoy the ?@?!/ out of me. Fedora 9 was painfully bad - worst distro I've ever used - but 10 is a good step in the right direction. KDE 4.2.x is the best 4 so far but it's still not functionally anywhere near 3.5.

Re:Linux is becoming beautiful! (1)

nawcom (941663) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608203)

Sorry man, don't ever link anything X11, especially compiz or DEs like KDE4 to a Linux kernel. There's only a ton more OSs that use compiz, KDE and X11 as well. I can list off the BSDs and Open and retail Solaris, that's enough to prove the point.

Re:Beauty is still wanting (1)

Hangin10 (704729) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607969)

Speaking of comparisons, anyone have some links
about memory usage?

Some simulations/virtualizations of Win7 I've
been present for seem to show it using less RAM
idling than WinXP, albeit the Win7 is a clean
install, and the XP is Scotty style rigged
holding together after 6 years or so.

However my laptop with Ubuntu 8.10 seems to use
about half the available 464MB RAM. With Win7
idling at 40% used, should I average everything
and call it about even?

But then what about not having to use Anti-Virus
on Linux? Speed boost, eh? I'm not concerned with
look and feel. I just want my computer to run
optimally. My XP install is old. I don't even
know how I managed to fix the broken MSI install
capability.

My only other concern is drivers. If I have an
old enough ATI card, will there by some kind of
accelerated driver for it? I'm guessing the
answer to this is going to be use-the-live-cd and
find-out.

My CPU is an early Pentium 4 and a recent upgrade
to 1.5GB from 512MB of RDRAM.

Re:Beauty is still wanting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27608143)

I'm running Kubuntu 9.04 running fluxbox with Firefox, Akregator, and an instance of urxvt open.
(Output of free -m edited due to the darn lameness filter)
$ free -m
                          total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 3861 3123 738 0 95 2247
-/+ buffers/cache: 780 3080
Swap: 7632 18 7613
Though, running the 64 bit version probably doesn't help memory usage.
And it's not like X is trying to use 700 MB of RAM (*glares at the debian install on his EEEPC*)

Re:Beauty is still wanting (2, Interesting)

Erikderzweite (1146485) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608205)

>But then what about not having to use Anti-Virus
on Linux? Speed boost, eh?

Well, antivirus tends to trash the hard disk which is the performance bottleneck of most PCs. Speaking of which, ext4 is rather nice and fast IMO.

>I'm not concerned with look and feel. I just want my computer to run optimally.

Why ubuntu then, you may want to try xubuntu perhaps?

>My CPU is an early Pentium 4 and a recent upgrade to 1.5GB from 512MB of RDRAM.

That should be more than enough for Ubuntu, my aunt has Linux (albeit not Ubuntu, but it shouldn't be much slower) running on a 1.4 Pentium 4 with 640 mb ram and Nvidia GeForce2 440 MMX with basic compiz effects enabled.

>My only other concern is drivers. If I have an
old enough ATI card, will there by some kind of
accelerated driver for it? I'm guessing the
answer to this is going to be use-the-live-cd and
find-out.

Apparently you'll be using open-source ati driver. It has 3d acceleration and it should be enough for compiz. My gf has an old ATI card, with no proprietary driver available. Compiz is a bit slow but still usable.

Re:Beauty is still wanting (1)

jrothwell97 (968062) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607977)

Well, at least it now comes with some nice themes installed (but not activated) by default, and the new usplash and GDM are much better than before.

Re:Beauty is still wanting (1)

Umangme (1337019) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608083)

I think most people will accept that the default theme and interface is not great by any standards. The theme can be changed, though I have some issues with that too. Most of the themes available are copies of Vista and Apple. But I am hoping for an improvement in the coming months.

Karmic Koala promises to have a better theme. Mark Shuttleworth [ubuntu.com] said:

The desktop will have a designer's fingerprints all over it - we're now beginning the serious push to a new look. Brown has served us well but the Koala is considering other options.

Gnome 3.0 (GNOME 2.30 = GNOME 3.0) also looks very interesting, but that isn't coming very soon... I do remember seeing some nice ideas for GNOME 3.0, but can't find the "screenshots" right now.

I agree that the interface is not good (people will disagree) but I am still optimistic for the future. :)

Re:Beauty is still wanting (1)

bain_online (580036) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608287)

Actually they have just realized yet again that this not The Year of The Linux Desktop.

We will just have to wait.

Re:Beauty is still wanting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27608295)

I am aware that I will get tones of flak for this

OK, here you go:

beep beeep beeeeeeeep barp beeep

There, that told you.

Re:Beauty is still wanting (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608517)

I am aware that I will get tones of flak for this

OK, here you go:

beep beeep beeeeeeeep barp beeep [youtube.com]

There, that told you.

There, fixed that for you.

Re:Beauty is still wanting (1)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608357)

You know that "just works" meme? How about the USER just getting work done, not "enjoying the inspirational GUI". Writing a paper? Doing research? Coding? How about you STFU about how the GUI looks and get your fucking work done? Like your productivity is better with Aero turned on? Wasted HDD, RAM, and Cycles. And that goes triple for every Apple OS.

Ath5k wifi issues (1)

kmahan (80459) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607783)

Any chance that the ath5k driver will be fixed for the Acer Aspire One (8.9")? It's getting better -- the machine no longer hangs with the capslock led flashing.. :) But updating to the RC and attempting to do large transfers still results in the occasional buffer corruption (invalid CRCs).

Re:Ath5k wifi issues (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27608651)

But updating to the RC and attempting to do large transfers still results in the occasional buffer corruption (invalid CRCs).

I've been running (K)ubuntu 9.04 on Aspire One since the Beta was released and applied latest updates daily over wifi using ath5k, but haven't noticed any corruptions in transfers. I'm kind of worried now though. Is there a launchpad bug report for the issue?

the faggots will be happy. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27607837)

i'm sure they're all downloading while taking about 13 aids infested dicks up their asses. linux is for faggot cock smokers and we all know it.

Let's have some fun with this (2, Interesting)

77Punker (673758) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607867)

I'm in the mood to get reckless and use experimental software to handle my upgrade. I know I'm not the only one using apt-p2p tonight!

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6058308 [ubuntuforums.org]

Re:Let's have some fun with this (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608615)

I used apt-p2p to upgrade to the beta a day or two ago. So far everything is great except that Ubuntu still hasn't figured out audio. I had to install Pulseaudio and follow PerfectSetup to get audio working. The nVidia 180.44 driver is working great for me, and your problem with it is almost guaranteed to be nVidia's fault.

Re:Let's have some fun with this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27608867)

Does anyone know the procedure to use apt-p2p along with apt-cacher-ng? I think it should be setup like apt -> apt-cacher-ng -> apt-p2p -> internet so that the cache contains the files even when downloaded from p2p. I not sure how to plugin apt-p2p into the chain, as i think apt-cacher-ng has a feature to treat all mirrors of a repository as one source and automatically switch between them and The apt-cacher-ng on intrepid comes configured with all ubuntu mirrors.

The pluses and the minuses from two weeks' usage (4, Informative)

Pausanias (681077) | more than 5 years ago | (#27607955)

I've been running 9.04 on my Dell laptop for a few weeks now. Like every new release, it's a mixed bag.
Pluses:
  • Really, super, extra fast boot (10 seconds on my newish Dell)
  • Fixes a lot of bugs (in GNOME mainly) from the previous release, Intrepid, which was their worst ever
  • Includes the ext4 file system---having upgraded to ext4, I'm really noticing the performance upgrade.

Minuses:

  • Evolution suckage continues. This version of the mail client crashed on me on startup, plus the "remove duplicate email" plugin no longer works with it. I've had it with Evolution. I've migrated to Thunderbird, and am vastly more happy. I continue to use Evolution's calendaring system, but only as a way to get my google calendar onto the GNOME panel.
  • Broken NVIDIA binary blob drivers. Yet again. The intrepid drivers were OK, but now there's something toxic about the combination of either 173 or 180 and the Jaunty kernel. On 173 twinview locks up on me, and on 180 I get random hard lockups once a week. I have really had it with this nvidia binary blob garbage---I am anxiously awaiting some kind of dual monitor support in Nouveau, so I can ditch this piece of rubbish---a goblin that keeps on breaking Linux for many more people than just me, and always will, as long as the binary blob keeps on going.

Re:The pluses and the minuses from two weeks' usag (4, Informative)

spasm (79260) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608031)

The 'Lightning' add-on for Thunderbird lets you subscribe to multiple Google calendars & shows them as a sidebar to Thunderbird's mail window. Not quite the same as having it in Gnome panel, but I thought you might be curious to check it out if you weren't already aware of it.

Re:The pluses and the minuses from two weeks' usag (2, Interesting)

Darkk (1296127) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608073)

You can actually install the Lightning add-on for Thunderbird which will give you calender functions. I totally agree Evolution suck a$$ and do wish they make Thunderbird de facto standard just like Firefox.

What is really nice about Thunderbird the fact there are Linux and Windows versions which can both read the SAME data files without any kind of conversion. Really slick. I was doing that for awhile until I finally weaned myself off of WinXP for good.

Re:The pluses and the minuses from two weeks' usag (4, Informative)

iammani (1392285) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608275)

Includes the ext4 file system---having upgraded to ext4, I'm really noticing the performance upgrade.

Be warned that the ext4 implementation in the RC is buggy. See Known Issues [ubuntu.com] . It is expected to be fixed in the final release. So, stay will ext3, and upgrade to ext4 once the final release comes out.

Re:The pluses and the minuses from two weeks' usag (2, Informative)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608485)

That's not what it said.

...is expected that a fix for this problem will be made available as a post-release update

Even the final release will be affected by this bug.

Re:The pluses and the minuses from two weeks' usag (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608321)

Other minus: Updates killed my sound (on both a laptop and a desktop) not long after it went beta. Fortunately, it works in a fresh install. I guess a config file got clobbered somewhere.

Re:The pluses and the minuses from two weeks' usag (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27608563)

As a replacement mail client you may want to try this - http://blogs.gnome.org/sragavan/2009/03/18/announcing-anjal-the-new-mail-for-netbooks/

The project is very young but looks promising. Somewhere in comments you will also find that it is packaged for jaunty by one of the community members.

Oh man.. not this week... (1)

Daswolfen (1277224) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608129)

Now I got to upgrade... World of Warcraft 3.1 dropped Tuesday.. my fragile little psyche can only handle one upgrade at a time! Couldn't they have waited a week? I mean, come on.. think of the kittens.

Intel video drivers suck! (3, Informative)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608179)

Woe to anyone using an intel video card! Right now we're experiencing random lockups, and performance has generally been subpar for a lot of people. I'm not sure how stable UXA is yet, earlier it was causing a lot of lockups.

Re:Intel video drivers suck! (0)

mark_anon (1416429) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608409)

Also, woe to anyone using an ATI card. Oh yeah, and god help you if you're using 64 bit. Basically, woe to anyone who isn't using a 3 year old nVidia card with 32 bit OS.

Re:Intel video drivers suck! (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608479)

Yeah, those damn binary blobs. Nothing but unstable pieces of shit, can't wait to get rid of them and install some op... Intel? Waaaaaaaait a minute, this rant needs work.

Re:Intel video drivers suck! (1)

wrook (134116) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608701)

Just because it's open source doesn't mean it doesn't suck. The Intel drivers have always had serious performance problems. Now this. I wish there was someplace else to turn. On the other hand the binary blobs suck precisely because they are binary blobs.

What this rant needs is: "I should get off my butt and fix the damn Intel drivers".

Re:Intel video drivers suck! (1)

ameyer17 (935373) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608553)

My G45-based system's not too bad. There are some weird graphical glitches, but it's been stable ever since alpha 6 or so.

Re:Intel video drivers suck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27608815)

I guess I should consider myself lucky since I only get the random lockups while playing 3D-accelerated games. Other than that no problems for me so far. This with the Intel chip on Acer Aspire One netbook.

CentOS 5.3 is out, too! (1)

HouseOfMisterE (659953) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608201)

I didn't notice until earlier tonight, but CentOS 5.3 has been released!

http://www.centos.org/ [centos.org]

Re:CentOS 5.3 is out, too! (1)

rklrkl (554527) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608685)

April 1st has called and wants its release announcement [centos.org] back :-)

On a slightly more serious note, CentOS 5.2 users that are upgrading to 5.3 should do "yum update glibc" first before a "yum update" because of a yum locking issue. For us at work, CentOS 5.2 broke nss_ldap (and it's still broken with 5.3) and 5.3 has broken sound support in the kernel (about 1 in every 4 boots, the sound modules crash and fail to load properly). Easily fixed by keeping older RPMs on the system, but a bit annoying for a clone of an enterprise distro (I suspect RHEL 5 would have identical issues).

Seems pretty rough (4, Informative)

Radhruin (875377) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608209)

I just upgraded, and I gotta say, it's been pretty painful.

  • Had to reinstall sound drivers and get them working again (involves choosing a few settings here and there) and figure I need to restart to see any changes. Not the end of the world, but quite annoying, but then the fun began.
  • My System menu lacks a "Quit" option (no kidding).
  • During shutdown, my system speaker blared very quick (and LOUD) beeps during the entire shutdown process. When the final screen showed up, it changed to a constant tone for a couple seconds before dying away.
  • Booting up is very slow as it pauses at one place for 10 or more seconds, then the load screen bails. It says something about an IO error. Eventually it boots normally.
  • The monitor will not go to sleep. Instead the entire screen turns pure white. Thankfully the login box is there, you just can't see it, so it's possible to log in and clear the issue.

There's also been a million smaller gripes here and there, and this is only after an hour or so. Basically, the user experience could use a major amount of work in my estimation :(

Re:Seems pretty rough (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27608811)

You can download the source code and FIX IT YOUR SELF!!!!! Or just why don't you SHUT UP if you can't!

xorg problem (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27608301)

X seems to lock up the computer. I just get some weird pixellation. Can't switch to a console window. I'm using an onboard Radeon 690G. it happened a couple versions ago. On the bright side, I learned how to use wpa_supplicant with dhclient to connect to my router from the command line. On the other hand, does nobody realise how annoyingly complicated that is for the average person? on the negative side, still can't get into X. Do they want me to reinstall from scratch? very odd that this happens in an upgrade.

Re:xorg problem (2, Interesting)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608509)

Everything worked for me with no tweaking. Drivers, X, wireless, everything!

What about the audio...? (1)

serviscope_minor (664417) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608697)

This is not a troll. I'm a Linux user (occasional foray in to OpenBSD) and intend on staying that way. I also like the way Linux is going (including audio) moving complex features out of the kernel in to userspace. Yay for xorg, libusb, fuse, audio in principle and so on.

But what is the state of audio daemons in ubuntu?

As a non-ubuntu point, does anyone know if there is a simple kernel module which accepts the standard ioctls and so on on /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer and forwards them back to a userspace sound daemon?

Re:What about the audio...? (2, Informative)

mcelrath (8027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608795)

The current audio daemon being distributed by Ubuntu is pulseaudio. This has, for the last several releases, been a horrible pain in the ass. After the pain that was esd and artsd, I don't know why anyone decided to try another one. It appears the pulseaudio developers released an unfinished codebase into the world, and managed to get it into ubuntu. So for the last several releases (8.04 and 8.10 at least) audio has been a massive pain. Apps would crash, pulseaudio would crash, sound would not be present or wouldn't mix properly between apps. Flash video was particularly bad at taking down both firefox and pulseaudio. Skype was unusable.

However I must say that with 9.04 the situation is substantially better. (I upgraded to the Jaunty alpha specifically for the pulseaudio updates because 8.10 was unusable for certain combinations of audio-producing apps). I now reliably have music (rhythmbox) occasional browser noises (flash), wine games, video (vlc/miro/mplayer) and system sounds properly mixed with no crashing of the apps or the pulseaudio daemon. The pavucontrol control panel properly displays all the audio-producing apps and lets you individually mute them or control their volume.

A drawback to putting everything in userspace is that if your system becomes loaded or starts to swap, the audio will skip. Fortunately this doesn't cause any apps to crash, but is pretty annoying. It should be possible to eliminate this using real-time priorities, but I haven't investigated that yet. As far as I can tell there's no command line 'renice' program for realtime priorities. (I had one a long time ago, 'setrealtime' but it was a small piece of code I compiled myself)

So the summary is...the situation is better than it has been for several releases (more than a year, at least). But still worse than using the ALSA's built-in software mixing (which runs in kernel mode, I believe, and doesn't skip).

To answer your final question, I believe these daemons intercept calls before they get to the kernel. There is a library which can be LD_PRELOAD'ed which intercepts kernel calls (padsp). But since most apps these days are aware of two or more of {pulse, alsa, oss, esd, arts, jack}, configuring audio is rather a pain. All apps needed to be rewritten to take advantage of pulse. But at this point the important ones have (gnome apps) and some important ones that haven't (wine,skype) work.

The situation is improving, but ubuntu needs to configure realtime priorities for pulse by default, and we need to start killing off legacy sound daemons and interfaces. Linux audio is a mess.

PulseAudio (1)

emanem (1356033) | more than 5 years ago | (#27608863)

Hi all, I was playing WoW, and when I installed 8.10 and used PA my FPS droppped about 33%. I then removed PA, killed the process and everything was back normal.

Is situation better with 9.04? I don't want to criticize PA too much but (even as PA developers admitted) when it went out in 8.10 was an immature and slow piece of ... software.

How is the situation now? Which version of PA will be in Ubuntu 9.04? Any WoW player around trying 9.04?

Cheers,
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