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Swedish Pirate Party Gains 3000 Members In 7 Hours

ScuttleMonkey posted about 5 years ago | from the unintended-consequences dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Due to outrage over the verdict in The Pirate Bay trial, the Swedish Pirate Party has gained 3000 members in less than 7 hours. It is now bigger than 3 of the 7 parties represented in the Swedish parliament. 'Ruling means that our political work must now be stepped up. We want to ensure that the Pirate Bay activities — to link people and information — is clearly lawful. And we want to do it for all people in Sweden, Europe and the world, continues Rick Falk Vinge. We want it to be open for ordinary people to disseminate and receive information without fear of imprisonment or astronomical damages.'"

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Wow.... (4, Insightful)

Mia'cova (691309) | about 5 years ago | (#27620397)

Wow. I honestly didn't think TPB broke any swedish laws. The name is cute but the site doesn't favor pirated content over legal content. I don't get it.

Re:Wow.... (5, Funny)

rackserverdeals (1503561) | about 5 years ago | (#27620443)

The name might just be in reference to TPB.

Unfortunately, even though they got 3,000 members, 90% of them are leachers.

Re:Wow.... (4, Informative)

Goblez (928516) | about 5 years ago | (#27620713)

Hahahaha. The truth is that most of these supporters probably are 'leachers', unwilling to actually expend their own effort to support it. But hey, isn't that 95% of America's political party 'supporters' as well?

Re:Wow.... (-1, Flamebait)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | about 5 years ago | (#27620579)

The name is cute but the site doesn't favor pirated content over legal content

That's like saying a beer and cigarette store across the street from an elementary school, that sells to anyone regardless of age, is not favoring selling beer and cigarettes to kids--they are open to anyone--and so should be OK.

TPB's reason for existence is to promote pirated content. Their business model depends on it (their ad revenue would plummet if all they linked to was legal content).

It doesn't help them that they are scum, either, as the Arboga autopsy photos showed.

Re:Wow.... (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 5 years ago | (#27620639)

You realize that they, like slashdot, are not responsible for what people post?

At least in the sense that they let you post anything, much like slashdot.

Re:Wow.... (2, Informative)

Shakrai (717556) | about 5 years ago | (#27620721)

You realize that they, like slashdot, are not responsible for what people post?

For better or worse (my vote) history suggests [slashdot.org] otherwise.

Re:Wow.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620785)

For better, GNAA posts are removed too.

Re:Wow.... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 5 years ago | (#27620787)

Seems like they were not held responsible at all, they just removed it and replaced it with more information rather than fight about it.

Re:Wow.... (5, Insightful)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | about 5 years ago | (#27620835)

As much as the DMCA sucks, I don't agree with your comment.

Slashdot wasn't responsible for what the commenter posted, otherwise the CoS would have been able to sue slashdot and win, regardless of whether the comment was taken down or not.

The fact that you have to comply with a DMCA takedown doesn't mean that you're responsible for the comment.
It means you're responsible for the comment, only if you ignore the takedown notice.

In practice, the comment is gone either way, so it doesn't make much difference to freedom of speech, but you aren't legally (read: financially) responsible.

Re:Wow.... (4, Interesting)

cortesoft (1150075) | about 5 years ago | (#27620831)

To try to better fit your analogy, wouldn't this case be more like, say, holding the phone company responsible for the alcohol-to-kids store because they listed their telephone number and address? We all agree that this selling-to-anyone store is breaking the law... we just don't think telling people where the store is and what the store sells is illegal.

I apologize for not making this a car analogy.. I will try harder next time.

Arghhhh Cap'n (3, Interesting)

howman (170527) | about 5 years ago | (#27620415)

A party it will be.... Just hope it doesn't end up some sophomoric anger fest and the spokespeople have a solid message and play by the rules.

"Linking People to Information?" (3, Insightful)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | about 5 years ago | (#27620731)

And that information wants to be "Free," I suppose...?

That's fine. Of course, if all TPB was "link people to information," they would not be in this mess. What they did, was link people to *entertainment*, which I understand wants to be paid for, more times than not.

Re:Arghhhh Cap'n (3, Interesting)

Chabo (880571) | about 5 years ago | (#27620887)

Anyone want to start a Pirate Party in the US?

I realize that the chance of a small party grabbing any meaningful power is smaller in a Constitutional Republic than a Parliamentary system, but it's still worth a shot, right? ;)

Maybe we can win some local elections and gain some notoriety?

Re:Arghhhh Cap'n (3, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 5 years ago | (#27620971)

There is an active Pirate Party in the USA at the moment however it is not formally recognized (yet)

Re:Arghhhh Cap'n (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27621033)

http://www.pirate-party.us/ has been around a couple of years...

Limewire, LOL!!!!! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620427)

Do what you want, 'cause a pirate is free,
YOU ARE A PIRATE!
Yar har, fiddle di dee,
Being a pirate is alright to be,
Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free,
You are a pirate!

(spoken)You are a pirate!
(crowd)Yay!

We've got us a map, (a map!)
To lead us to a hidden box,
That's all locked up with locks! (with locks!)
And buried deep away!

We'll dig up the box, (the box!)
We know it's full of precious booty!
Burst open the locks!
And then we'll say hooray!

Re:Limewire, LOL!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620813)

Oh for fuck's sake. Now it's in my head :-/

Re:Limewire, LOL!!!!! (1)

Chabo (880571) | about 5 years ago | (#27620903)

How is this off-topic?

It's the PIRATE SONG!

Geez, must be someone who hates LazyTown.

nuclear bunker may just come in handy (5, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | about 5 years ago | (#27620431)

so what we have here is a possibility that in the future a 'pirate' party controls the government maybe? Would Obama with his RIAA lawyer friends declare Sweden to be part of axis of evil and will actually bomb them to bring in the democracy US style (where only 2 parties are really allowed to hold the government in practice).

That bunker [datacenterknowledge.com], that one of their ISP has may just come in handy.

Re:nuclear bunker may just come in handy (5, Informative)

richie2000 (159732) | about 5 years ago | (#27620775)

That bunker [datacenterknowledge.com], that one of their ISP has may just come in handy.

Actually, that ISP is one of our best supporters and we have all of our Pirate Party servers in that bunker. ;-)

Re:nuclear bunker may just come in handy (4, Funny)

Qzukk (229616) | about 5 years ago | (#27620833)

we have all of our Pirate Party servers in that bunker

Target acquired

Re:nuclear bunker may just come in handy (-1, Flamebait)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about 5 years ago | (#27620869)

I really hope that this Pirate party gets elected to power in Sweden and abolish the copyright laws. The economic chaos that would ensue and the ridicule that that country would be subjected to worldwide would hopefully make even the most pea brained anti-copyright wannabe crusader realize what a stupid and childish idea that is.

But then there are still socialists around even after miserable failures that system brought to every country where it was tried so I guess some people just can't be convinced.

Re:nuclear bunker may just come in handy (5, Informative)

Fnordulicious (85996) | about 5 years ago | (#27621039)

I don't know what universe you hail from, but most European countries are unarguably socialist to some degree and are doing pretty well for themselves. Have you confused socialism with Soviet-style communism?

Or perhaps you're just trolling and I've been caught.

Hello, my name is Godwin (1)

mangu (126918) | about 5 years ago | (#27620877)

Would Obama with his RIAA lawyer friends declare Sweden to be part of axis of evil and will actually bomb them to bring in the democracy US style

Considering that Hitler was afraid of invading Sweden, Obama should be careful.

I lived in Sweden for a while years ago, and the whole country is a fortress. When you walk in the woods, sometimes you find a little concrete house, surrounded by a barbed wire fence and full of warning signs. Those are elevator shafts that go down to underground military installations.

I wouldn't be surprised if "Sweden" means "land of bunkers" in some old dialect... ;)

Re:Hello, my name is Godwin (1)

roman_mir (125474) | about 5 years ago | (#27620921)

you know what 'bunkers' are in military speak, don't you?

Just like tanks they are 'targets'.

Re:nuclear bunker may just come in handy (4, Insightful)

Ralish (775196) | about 5 years ago | (#27621035)

You don't need to get into government to affect the political process; rather, you need enough seats to be able to have a significant impact on the likelihood of legislation getting through the parliament. I suspect this is what they are aiming for. I'm not sure what the composition is of the American parliament, for instance, but many countries have minor parties with significant representation.

For example, here in Australia the Greens have several seats in the Senate, enough in fact, that the Government can't pass legislation without their support (assuming they don't have the support of the opposition). This usually isn't a problem, as the Greens will generally go along with most of the government legislation. But, for certain pieces, for example, the government is forced to make concessions to appease the Greens if they wish to get the legislation through.

The point being, if you need the support of a party in order to get more controversial legislation through, you may well find you need to make concessions to other parties in areas that aren't core to your political ideology in order to advance your main cause. I suspect this is what The Pirate Party would like to achieve. No real aspirations for government, just enough representation to change the law in the areas they really care about.

The Thief Party (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620433)

I don't care if you want to steal... people do that every day.

But don't think your "pirate" bullshit comes off as anything other than stealing.

Re:The Thief Party (5, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | about 5 years ago | (#27620589)

So it is just fine that copyright, the agreement between "the people" and the creators (actually, the publishers who buy up the content for exclusive distribution and control), has been abused and distorted to the point that works that would be public domain have how completely fallen off the face of the earth? The notion of copyright has been completely twisted to become a control on all entertainment. That was NOT its intent. "The people" were not represented when these changes were imposed and "the people" will have to take it back. In the mean time, civil disobedience is what we are doing -- taking freely as we please in spite of bad law.

It's not stealing. That's why they use the word "infringement." Stealing is depriving others of their property. That isn't what is happening.

Re:The Thief Party (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620919)

".... We are stealing ...."

You are stealing, despite your bullshit names and excuses.

You may fool a couple dipshit moderators and the nerd herd that infests this forum, but you don't fool me.

Re:The Thief Party (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620605)

You're a fucking idiot. I bet you didn't know. We do though. It's pretty obvious actually.

Re:The Thief Party (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620635)

Do you pay Time-Warner when you sing "Happy Birthday to you" in public,
or do you steal/pirate it?
Shame on you.

Re:The Thief Party (2, Interesting)

DirtyCanuck (1529753) | about 5 years ago | (#27620719)

Freedom to do what with media as you please. I think of them as freedom fighters. Without them these media companies would keep infringing on peoples rights. Having legitimately bought cd's upload DRM to a users computer without them knowing is the exact sort of sh!t that makes this evermore important for the majority of consumers. I personally think unknowingly hacking mass amounts of computers is worse then downloading a safe alternative. You can go to jail quite readily for hacking a computer, stealing a CD not so much. The RIAA cases are a clear example as to why these media corporations are as evil as any pirate, viking or Persian. At the end of the day we might see more bands (NIN RADIOHEAD) move towards a distribution model that puts them in control. This movement can only help everybody except the sleezy middle men that have been dictating trends and prices for decades. The fact that people have created there own distribution model and it's working better then the old one shows the futility in the now obsolete model of the past. I would love to see these media companies walk the plank.....

Re:The Thief Party (5, Funny)

migla (1099771) | about 5 years ago | (#27620897)

First of all, it's not stealing, it's copying. It's like when Jesus copied the fish and bread and fed all those people. Maybe some bakers and fishermen were pissed back then, but you know, it was for the common good. Copying was obviously the right thing to do then and it's obviously the right thing to do today.

(ps. Whether or not Jesus actually had star trek gear or it is a made up story, is irrelevant)

I suggest (5, Funny)

BigJClark (1226554) | about 5 years ago | (#27620437)


I suggest creating a facebook group and tying a coloured ribbon around the antennae of your car. This is what we do in Canada.

Re:I suggest (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620545)

In America, we can't figure out how to do anything requiring skill like tying a ribbon, so we just buy a magnet shaped like a ribbon, and slap it on the car.

Re:I suggest (3, Insightful)

Hottie Parms (1364385) | about 5 years ago | (#27620581)

I suggest creating a facebook group and tying a coloured ribbon around the antennae of your car. This is what we do in Canada.

Modded insightful? No offense, but how is this insightful? I find it more humorous or ironic than Insightful.

Not saying it shouldn't be modded up, just the "insightful part".

Re:I suggest (2, Funny)

Qubit (100461) | about 5 years ago | (#27620637)

I suggest creating a facebook group and tying a coloured ribbon around the antennae of your car. This is what we do in Canada.

I dunno -- pirates with colored ribbons? I don't think it'll catch on very well.

I'd suggest that you tie an appropriate flag [wordpress.com] on there instead.

Not much of a Geek, are you? (1)

Talkischeap (306364) | about 5 years ago | (#27620649)

You know, I LOVE Canada 'n all, and my Grandpa was from Prince Edward Island, but colored ribbons on the antenna?

Apparently you're no Geek.

I suggest a small cycling multicolored LED, glued to a battery and rare earth magnet attached to one's antenna, as a way to show solidarity.

One could even make an inductive charger for it, so it could be removed at night, and recharged.

Are there any pirate party members in office? (3, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | about 5 years ago | (#27620465)

A political party is worthless if it doesn't have any card-carrying members in office legislating, judiciating or executing... (that doesn't quite sound right, but okay... you get the idea)

When is the next election cycle? THAT is when things really get shaken up.

Re:Are there any pirate party members in office? (3, Insightful)

Hottie Parms (1364385) | about 5 years ago | (#27620541)

A political party is worthless if it doesn't have any card-carrying members in office

Look at the Canadian Green party.

Re:Are there any pirate party members in office? (4, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 5 years ago | (#27620651)

Its in 2010, and back in 2006 (coincidently right after another unpopular ruling by Sweden against TPB) they managed to have a very good showing and were only a few members shy of getting government funds for advertising, etc.

Re:Are there any pirate party members in office? (2, Interesting)

Ibn al-Hazardous (83553) | about 5 years ago | (#27620975)

There is an election to the European parliament this year too. There are not so many representatives to elect, but there is usually a much smaller participation. So, if you want to cause a stir, the EP election is a better bet.

And then there's always the church election come fall... ;)

Re:Are there any pirate party members in office? (0, Flamebait)

amilo100 (1345883) | about 5 years ago | (#27620745)

They do not have any cabinet members, but they do have several people in correctional services.

Re:Are there any pirate party members in office? (3, Funny)

mazarin5 (309432) | about 5 years ago | (#27620853)

executing... (that doesn't quite sound right, but okay... you get the idea)

In America, at least, we usually just keep adding syllables until it not only sound right, but it makes us sound super smart.

Try "executivizing"

Re:Are there any pirate party members in office? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620917)

The EU parliament election is in a little more than _one_ month. Election day's 7th of june in .se...

So, the conviction and the new members comes quite timely.

Btw, we're up to 5000 new members today.. And our poor webserver's done a tremendous job :P

Vote for Internet freedom - vote Pirate in the upcoming EU parliament election.

Oh NO! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620477)

Sweden is getting feisty.

Here we go again... (2, Insightful)

mIESvANdEROE (1279546) | about 5 years ago | (#27620517)

isn't it any wonder that this verdict is so provocative? There's an elephant in the room, and this is just the sort of news that could make people take a second look. We all know that copying in an age of information abundance is inevitable. And so is the martyrdom of the TPB founders. All power to their elbows. Shame it didn't happen just before Easter...

Re:Here we go again... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620539)

The good news is: they won't get prison raped by niggers and spics. The bad news is: they will get prison raped by muslims.

Here is the theme... (4, Funny)

GPLDAN (732269) | about 5 years ago | (#27620525)

Are You Ready Swedes?
Aye Aye Captain
I Can't Hear You
AYE AYE CAPTAIN
OHHHHHH
Who lives in a datacenter under the sea?
computer vetenskapsman!
Absorbant and yellow and porous are we?
computer vetenskapsman!
Who's nautical nonsense be something you wish?
computer vetenskapsman!
So drop on the deck and flop like a fish! computer vetenskapsman!
Ready?
computer vetenskapsman!
computer vetenskapsman!
computer vetenskapsman!
computer vetenskapsman!

Re:Here is the theme... (0, Redundant)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about 5 years ago | (#27620829)

Naaah
=======

We are the pirates
who steal everything
we just tunnel in
and steal tv
and if you ask us
if we steal anything,
we'll just tell you
infringment aint stealing

Re:Here is the theme... (2, Interesting)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 5 years ago | (#27620907)

and when the laws were about to let disney films FINALLY enter public domain, who STOLE them back?

hmmmm?

people (or corps) in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Re:Here is the theme... (1)

multipartmixed (163409) | about 5 years ago | (#27620979)

Oh, God, that was funny.

Don't know why you're not +5 funny. I guess /.ers don't have the whole "laugh at yourself" thing downpat yet.

Swedish Pirate Party (3, Insightful)

omar.sahal (687649) | about 5 years ago | (#27620547)

We needed to protect the free and open society, and we needed to assure that the future of culture in people's hands instead of in the hands of media companies who want to bring culture lovers in prison.

This is taken from the automaticly translated article.
If these guys are genuine that may be something. By genuine I mean fight intellectual property nonsense, not nut jobs who believe that it is ok to just take others work. They don't sound genuine, however.
I said this before but I say it again. I think business is good in general, a chronic lack of wealth has a negative effect on sociality. However large corporations (I believe this started in the eighties) now think that to protect their profits they must control a market. This is done through laws that where instituted by means of lobbying, or the extension of laws to areas where they were never meant for. Its OK if there are three or so other big players, then you cant be called a monopoly and be broken up. These people (like banks) have a short term view of things and can harm the competitiveness of the western world.
You can see this in music, with fees for sampling music. There even a role over rate involved so if an artist has success they pay more for the samples per song, which consumes most of your profit. (the four) Big companies in music are the ones who profit while every one pays out. IP also plays a apart in IT as well, with the added negative (from our view) that companies don't even have to have a strong case, you cant afford 5 million in court fees so you must settle

So what? (2, Insightful)

rm999 (775449) | about 5 years ago | (#27620569)

Sweden has 10 million peoeple - 3000 isn't that many. This is like saying "Alaska's secessionist party has 150 more people because Palin lost!" To play a real part in politics they'll need at least 10x as many people.

More importantly, this case is giving the issue a lot of renewed attention. I'm happy about that.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620671)

voters > party members

Re:So what? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620681)

The number of voters will be more than the number of members. Far from everyone who votes for a party is a card carrying member.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620691)

Actually, registered party affiliation in sweden isn't that big, compared to the other parties they already have more registered members than three of the established government parties and they are coming close to beating a fourth. Also, the youth movement of the pirate-party is actually the largest political youth group in sweden at the moment...

Re:So what? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620783)

Actually 4000 now. ;)

They have more members than the Liberal People's Party which got 7.54% of the votes in the last elections giving them 28 seats. That means that unless the Pirate Party loses a lot of support before the election (and it currently appears to be gaining more support for the moment), they will probably get seats in Parliament.

Re:So what? (2, Informative)

MortimerV (896247) | about 5 years ago | (#27620889)

They gained 3000 members. Sounds like they're around the 18,000 member mark at the moment.

TFA: "A few minutes ago passed the Pirate Party membership People's Party 17 799 members."

Re:So what? (5, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | about 5 years ago | (#27621019)

Sweden has 10 million peoeple - 3000 isn't that many. This is like saying "Alaska's secessionist party has 150 more people because Palin lost!" To play a real part in politics they'll need at least 10x as many people.

I'm sure the three parties with less members will love to hear they're utterly insignificant, being in parliament and all. How many third parties are in the US Congress? Senate? Oh, right. Also, the actual figure as of this moment is over 5000 new members today alone. Let me now give you Swedens biggest parties by current memberships compared to percentage in last election.

Socialdemokraterna (s) 100639 members - 2006 elections: 1,942,625 votes - 34.99% - 130 seats
Moderaterna (m) 54858 members - 2006 elections: 1,456,014 votes - 26.23% - 97 seats
Centern (c) 47866 members - 2006 elections: 437,389 votes - 7.88% - 29 seats
Kristdemokraterna (kd) 22919 members - 2006 elections: 365,998 votes - 6.59% - 24 seats
Piratpartiet (pp) 19693 members - 2006 elections: 34,918 votes - 0.63% - 0 seats
Folkpartiet (fp) 17799 members - 2006 elections: 418,395 votes - 7.54% - 28 seats
Vänsterpartiet (v) 10700 members - 2006 elections: 324,722 votes - 5.85% - 22 seats
Miljöpartiet (mp) 9110 members - 2006 elections: 291,121 votes - 5.24% - 19 seats

I think you can safely say the Pirate Party will do a lot better election next year than 2006. Also this year in June it's election for EU parliament, where they also stand very good chances now.

Oh yeah, and did you know what is now Swedens biggest youth party?

Ung Pirat (up) 9400
Moderata ungdomsförbundet (muf) 9153
Sveriges socialdemokratiska ungdomsförbund (ssu) 5431

That's right, "Young Pirate" now has more members than the youth organization of Moderaterna and Socialdemokraterna - Swedens biggest parties. Yeah, politically insignificant. Right.

Call in the seals (5, Funny)

DirtyCanuck (1529753) | about 5 years ago | (#27620577)

In other news, RIAA navy seals under cover of night parachute into Swedish prison and with 4 well placed shots.....

Election results? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620609)

It is now bigger than 3 of the 7 parties represented in the Swedish parliament.

That's nice. When is the next election and how many candidates will they be able to field, exactly?

Difference with the US (5, Insightful)

Richard W.M. Jones (591125) | about 5 years ago | (#27620623)

It's interesting the difference with the US. "Kids" in Sweden are engaging properly in the political process, forming a party and making (real) change happen. Rather than just rolling over and accepting the situation with "nothing we can do" and "who can we vote for, they're all the same".

Rich.

Re:Difference with the US (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 5 years ago | (#27620693)

Perhaps because the Swedes have a system that allows for multiple parties?
Our system insures third parties never get anywhere.

Re:Difference with the US (2, Insightful)

Richard W.M. Jones (591125) | about 5 years ago | (#27620987)

Our system insures third parties never get anywhere.

I wasn't aware that voting for a third party in the US was illegal ... Oh wait, it isn't illegal. You're just enunciating the "nothing we can do" argument.

Rich.

Mod parent up (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620763)

This is so true. I'm tired of hearing this generation moaning about the two party system, and then doing nothing about it except not voting. This lazy, apathetic attitude is why nothing ever changes in America. If you don't like the two main parties, then join another, or start your own. I can't remember who said it, but it's truer now than it ever was before: in a democracy, people get exactly the government they deserve.

Re:Mod parent up (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 5 years ago | (#27620875)

This is so true. I'm tired of hearing this generation moaning about the two party system, and then doing nothing about it except not voting

lol!

"not voting" - as if voting would FIX things?

my friend, we are WAY beyond using the system to fix the system. where you been, under a rock, the last decade or two?

sire, tell me again how voting for one of the 2 parties HELPS fix the brokenness of a 2 party locked system, again? this new learning amazes me.

Re:Mod parent up (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620959)

I meant they could try voting for a different party. What do you suggest anyway? An armed rebellion?

Re:Mod parent up (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 5 years ago | (#27620915)

In Sweden though, parliamentary representation is based off of % of people voting for your party. So if the equivalent system was placed into the US senate, each 1% would give a seat in the Senate effectively giving third parties a chance. However in the USA today, a third party that gets 40% of the vote does not get that in actual representation.

Re:Difference with the US (1)

IsaacD (1376213) | about 5 years ago | (#27620847)

Yes, exactly what we need - a bunch of self-important nerds whose first priority is theft. Oh wait, sounds a lot like the administration of a certain superpower.

Re:Difference with the US (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620899)

A major difference is that Sweden has a proportional representation system which allows more than two parties to be meaningful. To get meaningful competition in the US system, the system needs to be fixed first (use IRV or some other ranked voting method, weaken the federal government so the meaningful policies are all at the state level where people can actually talk to their representatives). Until that happens, a third party is unelectable in the US, so there is no point in trying to get one elected.

Re:Difference with the US (3, Interesting)

BJ_Covert_Action (1499847) | about 5 years ago | (#27620989)

Well some of us whippersnappers in the U.S. tried to institute a shift in ideals during the last election with Ron Paul. Unfortunately our hopes were squelched effectively when the mainstream media made a point to shoot Ron Paul's election bid in the face before it had a chance to be recognized. It's hard to inspire motivation in a generation of U.S. citizens that has been consistently reminded that no matter how hard we kick and scream or what kind of political ruckus we make, there is always and over-aggressive government and ignorant/biased media to put us back in 'our place.'

Couple this with the fact that all of us youngin's found a newfound breathe of fresh air and freedom in the internet, but now the government and media are also going through consistently more aggressive means to regulate and control this frontier and what we have is a general feeling of bleak hoplessness conquering us all. Yay!

Hold on a second. (0)

Microlith (54737) | about 5 years ago | (#27620661)

We want it to be open for ordinary people to disseminate and receive information without fear of imprisonment or astronomical damages.
They can. Just not the works of people who haven't given them permission. They're TOTALLY free to create works and release them for distribution under whatever terms they want.

Somehow I don't think they'd have been going after TPB if all the works on the site were legitimately being shared. But then, I suspect, if they were then no one would be after them.

Re:Hold on a second. (1)

Microlith (54737) | about 5 years ago | (#27620707)

And I screw up my blockquote hardcore. Go me. Corrected:

We want it to be open for ordinary people to disseminate and receive information without fear of imprisonment or astronomical damages.

They can. Just not the works of people who haven't given them permission. They're TOTALLY free to create works and release them for distribution under whatever terms they want.

Somehow I don't think they'd have been going after TPB if all the works on the site were legitimately being shared. But then, I suspect, if they were then no one would be after them.

Re:Hold on a second. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 5 years ago | (#27620759)

So when do you suggest we send the google folks to jail?
Type:

filetype:torrent harry potter

In google search and you will see that google profits from linking people to illegal content in much the same way.

TPB hosted the .torrent files of anything, including many popular linux distros.

Re:Hold on a second. (1)

Microlith (54737) | about 5 years ago | (#27621031)

TPB hosted the .torrents and provided tracking services. It also limited its scope to .torrents. And yes, many popular distros were up on there but I'd probably not be far off in guessing that the majority of the traffic went not to the legitimately shared content but the real popular stuff like movies and music published by the majors.

Google hosts no content aside from HTML duplicates of the original page, and does so indiscriminately.

TPB was not a generic search engine. It had a very, very specific purpose.

Re:Hold on a second. (4, Informative)

MoellerPlesset2 (1419023) | about 5 years ago | (#27620827)

They can. Just not the works of people who haven't given them permission. They're TOTALLY free to create works and release them for distribution under whatever terms they want.

Apparently not. Not if those works happen to inform you about other people who are offering copyrighted material.

Somehow I don't think they'd have been going after TPB if all the works on the site were legitimately being shared.

All the works on their site were being shared legitimately. No copyright holders of any .torrent files were represented at the trial. They were not found guilty of actual copyright infringement.

Re:Hold on a second. (1)

Microlith (54737) | about 5 years ago | (#27621057)

Not if those works happen to inform you about other people who are offering copyrighted material.

My comment was with regards to the way I read their statement, that basically implied that you could not share ANYTHING online without a risk of getting sued.

Do you have to Swedish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620677)

Do you have to Swedish to donate to the party? I'd love to send them some cash for being the heroes they are.

I'd love to see copyright brought down to about 5 years, where the creator has a chance to be recompensed for their work, but dirty leeches like the RIAA won't have room to exist.

Re:Do you have to Swedish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620769)

Our *AA overlords will probably have you brought up on treason charges.

Re:Do you have to Swedish? (1)

Bragador (1036480) | about 5 years ago | (#27620843)

You can support your own pirate party. It is now an international organisation. If you want to donate to the swedish pirate party, go here http://www.piratpartiet.se/donera [piratpartiet.se]

Outside of Sweden, pirate parties have been started in several countries, inspired by the Swedish initiative. Officially registered pirate parties exist in Spain, Austria, Germany and Poland, while those in the USA, France, Argentina, Finland, and Australia are currently unregistered, but active.

In June 2007 different members of international pirate parties met in Vienna, Austria to discuss the future of the movement. The conference was called "Next Step Politics!? Pirates to Brussels in 2009!?". The event was organized by the Viennese Academy of Fine Arts and activist groups such as monochrom and transforming freedom.

In 2008, the German Pirate Party became the second Pirate Party to contest an election, in the Hesse state election, 2008, and received 0.3% of valid votes. Additionally, there are discussions on Pirate Party International about forming parties in the Netherlands, Chile, Brazil, Canada, Switzerland, New Zealand, Serbia, Romania, Republic of Ireland and a letter of notification that a party is forming in Peru.

It's not a local phenomenon.

The ruling has already made waves in Denmark too (4, Interesting)

brucmack (572780) | about 5 years ago | (#27620725)

I was pleasantly suprised to read a story about the ruling on the Danish public service channel's homepage today. The Danish advokatrådet (council of solicitors) has pointed out that the decision could have consequences for other sites that merely link to illegal files, like Google, and have encouraged the responsible minister to take preventative action. So here's hoping the ruling will end up helping us get some reasonable legislation passed!

What this means (5, Interesting)

Qbertino (265505) | about 5 years ago | (#27620739)

We have similar situations all over the world and in Germany too. Legislatory and Courts not understanding the concepts in Network technology and that they require a whole new different approach and perspective for reasonable legislation and judgement. At the same time IT is growing so fast and becoming a central part of our lives that the people affected are a significant political force. I think this is sort of a generation problem too. What I find interesting is that more and more the effect of IT on our lives - and thus on politics aswell - is growing stronger and stronger. I hope this party gains traction in sweden and isn't just a fad.

Rick Falkvinge (1)

the_one(2) (1117139) | about 5 years ago | (#27620767)

It's Rick Falkvinge not Falk Vinge. Trivia: Falkvinge essentially means wing of falcon

Re:Rick Falkvinge (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620967)

And less essentially and more precisely: Falconwing

Re:Rick Falkvinge (1)

multipartmixed (163409) | about 5 years ago | (#27621025)

> Trivia: Falkvinge essentially means wing of falcon

Did you know that Buffalo wings essentially mean wings of chicken?

I'm still trying to figure that one out.

I wanted to see something Pegabisonian on my plate. You could make shishkebobs out of them with unicorn horns!

Daniel NystrÃm, Pirate Party Stockholm (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620779)

Final count... 5000 new members today.

"Knowledge"? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#27620911)

I like how they call what they do "communication", "information" and "knowledge". I suppose they think we should be allowed to walk into bookstores, take items off the shelves and freely walk out without purchasing. You know. To free up the knowledge.

I don't think they have anything worth sharing or learning from in that country anyways.

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