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Oracle Buys Sun

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the there-can-be-only-one dept.

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bruunb writes "Oracle Corporation (NASDAQ: ORCL) and Sun Microsystems (NASDAQ: JAVA) announced today they have entered into a definitive agreement under which Oracle will acquire Sun common stock for $9.50 per share in cash. The transaction is valued at approximately $7.4 billion, or $5.6 billion net of Sun's cash and debt. 'We expect this acquisition to be accretive to Oracle's earnings by at least 15 cents on a non-GAAP basis in the first full year after closing. We estimate that the acquired business will contribute over $1.5 billion to Oracle's non-GAAP operating profit in the first year, increasing to over $2 billion in the second year. This would make the Sun acquisition more profitable in per share contribution in the first year than we had planned for the acquisitions of BEA, PeopleSoft and Siebel combined,' said Oracle President Safra Catz."

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Feh (-1, Offtopic)

JerkBoB (7130) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643871)

First bleah!

Re:Feh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27643935)

Gag on it bitch!

What about MySQL? (5, Interesting)

kaffiene (38781) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643893)

Well well well. I can see this working well for Oracle - they use Java a great deal... and it should be good news for Sun's open source projects like Netbeans - which would, I think, be maintained under Oracle.

I guess it's a little sad to see Sun unable to continue by themselves, but the writing was on the wall and I think Oracle will keep all the Sun products working, but of course the big question is what does this mean for MySQL?

Re:What about MySQL? (0, Redundant)

Tei (520358) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643947)

Netbeans is much faster and elegant than JDev.
Netbeans is much like another Eclipse, maybe better...
Eclipse is open-source.

Re:What about MySQL? (4, Insightful)

rackserverdeals (1503561) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644105)

Eclipse is open-source.

So is Netbeans.

Re:What about MySQL? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644195)

Eclipse is open-source.

So is Netbeans.

Only in name. Not in practice.

Sun doesn't accept contributions to Netbeans itself citing that their development pace is too fast. They relegate contributions to plug ins.

Re:What about MySQL? (2, Interesting)

Kr0m (900780) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643963)

Worse! What happens to development of Solaris!? Will it be downgraded to a minimal UNIX for an Oracle appliance?

Re:What about MySQL? (5, Interesting)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643993)

Oracle already has Linux (a re-branded RHEL) for it's *NIX platform.

My guess is they'll relegate either their Linux, or Solaris to the back (either way, I wouldn't be surprised if Solaris went completely open source, no non-open-source Solaris).

Since Oracle likes primarily using "their own thing", my guess is they'll move to Solaris, and their Linux distro will take a bow, since it's based off of someone elses work, that they've not yet acquired.

Re:What about MySQL? (5, Informative)

rackserverdeals (1503561) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644149)

Since Oracle likes primarily using "their own thing", my guess is they'll move to Solaris, and their Linux distro will take a bow, since it's based off of someone elses work, that they've not yet acquired.

Solaris used to be the primary development environment and when Oracle switched to Linux the developers seemed to miss DTrace [intel.com] .

In the past, Solaris was the best platform to deploy Oracle on. That may still be true today, even with all the support Oracle has put into Linux. Oracle has kept up with Solaris/Sparc but lagged releases for Solaris/x86. Hopefully that changes now.

As much as I like Linux, I still prefer Solaris, especially since Solaris 10.

Sun's hardware works best (faster doesn't mean better) with Solaris, so I can't see Oracle dropping Solaris. I agree that it wouldn't be surprising to see Oracle moving more towards Solaris.

Re:What about MySQL? (5, Insightful)

MindKata (957167) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644257)

"Since Oracle likes primarily using "their own thing""

I think this is one of the biggest potential down sides of this deal. Oracle seek to control their products through using "their own thing" ... This product lock in is part of their thinking and so part of their product lifespan planning process. Now that kind of thinking will be applied to everything Sun has given them.

Re:What about MySQL? (5, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644153)

I'd expect to see closer integration with their DB. ZFS has some very nice transactional facilities. Oracle on other platforms tends to use its own filesystem drivers, but on Solaris they could use a ZVOL for the underlying transactional model easily and benefit from the lower-level parts of ZFS while using their own code for the data layout. They already ship a Linux distribution for running the DB, but I wouldn't be surprised if they start shipping Solaris instead (they can then tie their code closely to the kernel without having to open source it).

The most interesting question is what will happen to the UltraSPARC line. On paper, Rock and the T2 look like they'd be a very good match for Oracle's workloads, but since Oracle's license prevents publishing benchmarks and I don't have the hardware and software to hand to test them, I can't tell how they do in the real world. While Sun hardware is relatively expensive, even a top spec T2 box is cheap compared to the software cost of a typical Oracle install and so I wouldn't be surprised if the T3 is tweaked even more heavily for Oracle workloads. Being able to sell a complete vertical solution, with their own CPU, OS, and DB system is probably quite appealing to Oracle.

Re:What about MySQL? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27643997)

Maybe my dreams to see mysql erased from earth will come to true...

Re:What about MySQL? (2, Funny)

srinivas_rc (737431) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644047)

you mean harddisk(s)? But I got backup :)

Re:What about MySQL? (4, Insightful)

rackserverdeals (1503561) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644001)

There was a time when Oracle was considering Netbeans [zdnet.com] , but Oracle joined the Eclipse Foundation.

I don't think JDeveloper is based on Eclipse though.

Might be interesting to see what happens. I think Netbeans will live on. Too many of sun's products rely on it.

What I'm more concerned with is the amount of contributions to PostgreSQL.

I still feel had they put more money/time into postgresql instead of buying MySQL, they wouldn't need to be bought.

Re:What about MySQL? (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644013)

what does this mean for MySQL?

Probably the same thing it means for OpenOffice. Or Java.

I don't know what that is, though...

Re:What about MySQL? (4, Interesting)

Alain Williams (2972) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644119)

Probably the same thing it means for OpenOffice. Or Java.

I don't know what that is, though...

Remember: Larry hates Bill. Bill earns a lot of $$ from MS Office. This may result in more funding for OoO.

Re:What about MySQL? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644033)

Good? Why? Oracle is even more closed up than Sun.

Only thing I can say with confidence that they will keep open is OpenSolaris because that lets more people run their ridiculously priced database software.

Re:What about MySQL? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644089)

What the fuck is "netbeans"? Who uses this java nonsense anyway?

Re:What about MySQL? (0, Redundant)

harry666t (1062422) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644179)

> What the fuck is "netbeans"?

http://www.google.com/search?q=netbeans

> Who uses this java nonsense anyway?

http://www.google.com/search?q=programming%20language%20popularity
http://www.tiobe.com/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

Re:What about MySQL? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644291)

Whoosh!

Re:What about MySQL? (1)

Faulkner39 (955290) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644107)

So does this mean they'll speed up the Netbeans build process by replacing the ant harness by writing to database and using stored procedures?

Postgres is looking better than ever (5, Informative)

shis-ka-bob (595298) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644121)

It remains a functional relational database. It has a BSD-style license with a very stable, nearly bug-free (see Coverity) core. It has modular design (you can write procedures in Java, C, C++, T/SQL, R, Python and others. You can get commercial support from a company (EnterpriseDB) that doesn't have a vested interest in moving you to a very expensive alternative.

Re:Postgres is looking better than ever (0, Troll)

gmack (197796) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644133)

Does it have replication yet?

Re:Postgres is looking better than ever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644211)

http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/interactive/high-availability.html

Short answer is yes it does, but you could have looked that up as easily as I did. Put a little more effort into your trolls, in no time you'll be a child porn enthusiast like the rest of the shitheads who visit there.

Re:Postgres is looking better than ever (0)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644201)

Like i'm going to use PostGres. Their string comparisons are case sensitive. That's a pretty major downside as far as i'm concerned.

Re:Postgres is looking better than ever (5, Insightful)

rho (6063) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644305)

Their string comparisons are case sensitive.

8.4 has citext. Or you can make an index with lower() on the appropriate columns.

IMO it's preferable for software to not assume that "Helped my uncle Jack off a horse." and "Helped my uncle jack off a horse." are the same thing.

Re:What about MySQL? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644235)

Also, what about btrfs? AFAIK it's being developed mostly by Oracle. I was looking forward to having some of its features on Linux. I hope they don't cancel it now that they have ZFS.

On the other hand, I *really* don't want them to let go of ZFS and Solaris either. Is continuing development of both too much to hope for?

New Solaris bit-by-bit licensing terms (5, Funny)

imac.usr (58845) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643895)

1s - free
0s - $10 per 0, minimum 100,000 0s

Re:New Solaris bit-by-bit licensing terms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644055)

Now they can charge by the core and *for* the core

Re:New Solaris bit-by-bit licensing terms (2, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644155)

Ouch. Still cheaper than IBM though.

Wow (4, Interesting)

rackserverdeals (1503561) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643897)

This is a big surprise.

Wonder if Solaris will become their main development platform again.

Re:Wow (-1, Troll)

kaffiene (38781) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643933)

Why would they use Solaris? Even Sun hardly seemed to use it that much ;o) I suppose it might have some advantages on the Server, which is a clear synergy with Oracle.

Re:Wow (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644069)

Jesus, the Linux weenies are out in force today!

Re:Wow (4, Informative)

rackserverdeals (1503561) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644205)

Why would they use Solaris? Even Sun hardly seemed to use it that much ;o)

When you say stupid things, you might want to consider posting anonymously next time :)

Anyway....

When IBM was considering buying Sun, Forbes put out a video on Sun's legacy [forbes.com] which some of you might find interesting.

It's sad to see Sun go down, but I'm optimistic about the merger with Oracle.

Re:Wow (2, Insightful)

slashdot_commentator (444053) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644113)

My guess is that they'll put Solaris in maintenance mode until Linux becomes accepted as a high-availability, enterprise platform. At that point, there would be no reason to maintain Solaris; companies would move to Linux anyway.

Re:Wow (2, Insightful)

slashdot_commentator (444053) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644125)

I'd head out to Sun's website and grab Solaris 10 (10/2008) while its still free. I should get a recommended patch set while I'm at it as well...

Re:Wow (5, Insightful)

wlt (1367531) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644183)

Actually. I think it might well go the other way. That Oracle decided to fork/clone Red Hat shows one thing - Oracle WANTS to have an OS.

Now they have one.

Re:Wow (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644225)

My guess is that they'll put Solaris in maintenance mode until Linux becomes accepted as a high-availability, enterprise platform.

You really should audition for a stand-up routine.

You'd really put an M9000 running Solaris up against anything running Linux?

You're pretty much clueless, aren't you?

Site already slashdotted ... (2, Funny)

mbyte (65875) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643901)

Seems oracle.com is down :(

Somehow i did hoped IBM would go and buy SUN, if this is really definitive .. how do IBM and Oracle play together ?

Re:Site already slashdotted ... (1)

rackserverdeals (1503561) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644287)

Seems oracle.com is down :(

Somehow i did hoped IBM would go and buy SUN, if this is really definitive .. how do IBM and Oracle play together ?

Too bad they didn't have time to migrate from oracleAS/Linux to SJES/Solaris to avoid this :)

SPARC going out...? (1)

Glock27 (446276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644293)

I think the interesting question is, does Oracle care about SPARC?

.

Oracle obviously wants Sun's software stack, but my guess is that Oracle thinks Intel and AMD are doing a fine job on the CPU front. I think that SPARC is most likely toast (or will be sold off as "intellectual capital"). There's not much effort in migrating from SPARC to x86-64.

Re:Site already slashdotted ... (5, Funny)

jamesh (87723) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644307)

Seems oracle.com is down :(

They've switch to Solaris already???

(ducks and runs for cover :)

Because of Oracle Database (3, Interesting)

Chlorine Trifluoride (1517149) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643907)

Is this the end of MySQL?

I doubt it (5, Interesting)

shis-ka-bob (595298) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644165)

MySQL is in a very different niche than Oracle. When is the last time you saw Oracle used as the back end for a Wiki or a large company use MySQL for an enterprise ERP system? It may happen that somebody uses a product outside of its niche, but like a lungfish on land, it just isn't as effective as something that has evolved to better fill that role.

Arse. (-1, Flamebait)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643915)

So much for eight years of my CV. Guess I'll have to learn this "Leengux" thing all the kids are into.

On the bright side, at least MySQL might be cast into the flaming pits of Hell where it belongs now.

(more likely: will fork furiously and retain aggregate popularity while neither being quite compatible nor actually, ah, storing data reliably.)

Re:Arse. (2, Funny)

lambent (234167) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643975)

more likely: will fork furiously and retain aggregate popularity while neither being quite compatible nor actually, ah, storing data reliably.

So, business as usual, then?

Sad end (2, Insightful)

saratchandra (847748) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643927)

This doesn't bode well for some good hitherto lesser known products from Sun. Personally I'm a bit worried about Lustre.

Wow. Just Wow. (4, Insightful)

wandazulu (265281) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643929)

Maybe this isn't out the of realm of conceivability to others, but it was to me...Oracle is a software company (one that runs a lot on Sun hardware), and suddenly becoming a hardware company has got to be a daunting challenge, regardless of who you are or how smart you are.

The implications are staggering across the board. Maybe Oracle decides they don't want to the hardware, just Java and MySQL (...they got it, finally), but then all that Sun hardware and Solaris...? Or maybe they want to make Solaris/Sun hardware the best platform for Oracle products (already the case as far as I know), then what of support for all their other platforms.

Oracle likes to buy a lot of companies, but they've all been, more or less, niche players in specific markets to fill in the gaps of their own offerings. I can't imagine what "gap" buying Sun will fill, other than something will be certainly be filled.

Re:Wow. Just Wow. (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644057)

Oracle likes to buy a lot of companies, but they've all been, more or less, niche players in specific markets to fill in the gaps of their own offerings. I can't imagine what "gap" buying Sun will fill, other than something will be certainly be filled.

Application server? Java development environment? Control of the Java language? UI Technology? Hardware?

Everyone seems to be missing the big picture: Oracle's goal is to offer you a fully supported "stack" from database to application server to hardware and everything in between. All the development tools, technologies, languages, etc. So they can lock you in and offer you the full range of support, no handing you off to so and so because it's not a database problem anymore. Would you pay a premium for that? That's how you make money. And now, they have filled a lot of those gaps and have absorbed some great teams to make that dream a reality. Or so they believe. We'll see how this turns out.

Re:Wow. Just Wow. (4, Informative)

slashdot_commentator (444053) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644071)

Its highly unlikely Oracle will maintain Sun's hardware aspect of the business. Sun already has put SPARC into legacy mode. Oracle will probably keep or sell off the hardware products that can sustain itself. It will probably maintain the legacy server stuff, to keep its high-end ticket customers who buy Sun for high-availability systems.

An accepted tactic to grow a customer base is to buyout another company's customer base. Its usually considered to be a cheaper route than investing in taking away a competitor's customer base. This is probably the reason Oracle went for Sun. Oracle has become more services/consultant oriented. It can't really break into IBM's territory, partly because of IBM's hardware components for "complete solutions" or enterprise market. This allows Oracle to grab all the customers IBM hasn't already taken away.

The bigger question is what Oracle plans for Sun's software products, like Solaris, MYSQL, and Java.

Re:Wow. Just Wow. (2, Interesting)

Angostura (703910) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644175)

I agree that Oracle will kill off Sparc, but I would expect it to retain a Sun-branded hardware business, based on Intel. That will be a key part of the soup-to-nuts stack strategy, I would have thought.

Re:Wow. Just Wow. (2, Interesting)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644171)

You're right. I just don't get it. MySQL makes sense for Oracle. The hardware business makes no sense whatsoever.

Java really doesn't make much sense for Oracle, either. A lot of databases might get use Java front-ends, but so what? Oracle hasn't been in that business.

In the end, I think goes down like this: This is about two things: Red Hat and MySQL. Oracle's RHEL variant has been a a complete bust; Oracle customers have been sticking with Red Hat. Read Matt Assay's column over on C|Net if you don't understand the whol;e Red Hat/Oracle rivalry; he makes pretty good sense of it.

Oracle may have always wanted MySQL, but it's also been desperate for an OS to compete with Red Hat's, and it just got one in Solaris. It also has Sun's Linux offering (Java Desktop), but I don't think that's a real prize for Oracle, who has always been on the server end.

Re:Wow. Just Wow. (2, Funny)

Saint Stephen (19450) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644173)

I think Oracle on AIX is pretty powerful, and popular.

Re:Wow. Just Wow. (3, Interesting)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644283)

I would have considered a Sun/Apple merger more likely

Well, crap. (4, Interesting)

JerkBoB (7130) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643941)

Is 8am too early to start drinking?

I am deeply disappointed by this turn of events.

IBM would have been a much better buyer, if the deal had to be done.

Oracle? Bleah!

Well, I'll bet the suits at IBM are kicking themselves hard, now that Oracle has control of Java.

Re:Well, crap. (5, Funny)

ozamosi (615254) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644063)

Is 8am too early to start drinking?

No.

Re:Well, crap. (4, Funny)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644237)

Indeed, because it's 5pm somewhere.

Re:Well, crap. (4, Funny)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644169)

Is 8am too early to start drinking?

That really depends upon your timezone and whether or not you've been to bed yet.

I'm quite sure that IBM hates itself now (5, Interesting)

egghat (73643) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643955)

Oracle+Sun has the power to seriously harm IBM. IBMs big plus was the combination of good hardware + OS + DB + consultants.

Oracle + Sun can now deliver exactly the same.

bye egghat

Re:I'm quite sure that IBM hates itself now (1)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644219)

What the hell is that statement based on?

Sun has been tanking it for years. Hardware sales are down; people don't give a flying fig about sun's servers. IBM's servers provide a better ROI with its' virtualization technology.

IBM provides more software services.

IBM provides Java and Java products.

This won't hurt IBM at all.

It does help Oracle get one step closer to a database hardware solution.

Java is safe, mysql is safe... (3, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643967)

But SPARC is fucked. Not that it's any great loss, but anyone somehow still heavily invested in SPARC (not too good at reading the writing on the wall, huh?) should be making their transition yesterday. Probably a transition to IBM, which also has a competing database product which is quite credible.

On the flip side, perhaps Oracle will start leasing database-as-a-service boxes based around SPARC, which is about the only thing that could conceivably keep it alive. Why would you buy Sun if you didn't want their hardware? It would be a questionable move at best.

Re:Java is safe, mysql is safe... (1)

egghat (73643) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643995)

Well SPARC might make money. If not, well then you are almost certainly correct (if your timeframe is more than say 2 years).

bye egghat

Niagara should have a future (4, Interesting)

shis-ka-bob (595298) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644285)

We are entering an era where energy conservation is going to be critical. Niagara2 can provide 32 threads for 72 Watts. This is a great CPU for a hypothetical Oracle on-site enterprise database appliance. Add a hot-failover-to-cloud, and you can have a database that doesn't even stop for upgrades or floods.

Re:Java is safe, mysql is safe... (1)

Migala77 (1179151) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644129)

Java is far from safe. The language will continue to exist, but the platform will most likely stop developing. Oracle has never shown commitment to Open Source, has never shown commitment to any non-Java JVM languages, etcetera. Java's future is insecure at best.

Re:Java is safe, mysql is safe... (1)

gmack (197796) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644303)

Not exactly true. SUN is a major contributor to both the Linux memory management and the Linux filesystem codebases.

Re:Java is safe, mysql is safe... (1)

wlt (1367531) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644215)

Why would you buy Sun if you didn't want their hardware? It would be a questionable move at best.

Agreed. I think what this means is that Oracle DOES want Sun's hardware. Maybe not SPARC (which I guess they could hive off completely to Fujitsu), but they now can provide every single item in the checklist.

and let's not forget Larry Ellison's foray into network computing...

SPARC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644221)

But SPARC is fucked. Not that it's any great loss, but anyone somehow still heavily invested in SPARC (not too good at reading the writing on the wall, huh?) should be making their transition yesterday.

Why? The Niagara processors (UltraSPARC-Tx) are very good and very efficient at the problems that they solve: highly parallel, with not too much floating point.

Sun (and Fujitsu) are supportive of the SPARC architecture, and a little diversity is a good thing. x86 is the dominant architecture, and it's fine for a lot of thing, but I want a little choice available because it's not the best for everything.

Re:Java is safe, mysql is safe... (4, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644249)

Why? From what I've seen, the recent UltraSPARCs (T2, and possibly the Rock too) have the best performance-per-watt when running parallel workloads with few floating point ops and lots of I/O. Oracle workloads are parallel, with few floating point ops and lots of I/O. Shipping Oracle appliances on T2 chips means that they aren't having to pay another company a share of their profits for their CPU, and continuing to sell them to other people helps them offset more of the R&D costs.

Oh, and Sun aren't the only company making SPARC chips. Some of the ones Sun has been selling for the past few years have been rebranded Fujitsu SPARC64s and there are a few companies selling SPARC32 (v8) systems for the embedded market, although they are less common than ARM and PowerPC.

Re:Java is safe, mysql is safe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644251)

The European Space Agency uses SPARCs.

Wow (5, Insightful)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643983)

Sun = Poorly run company with great products
Oracle = Masterfully run company with shitty products

I wonder how that DNA is going to come together...

Re:Wow (1)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644037)

I'm reminded of an (obviously) old saying about Washington DC: "Northern efficiency with Southern hospitality."

Now it's "Southern efficiency with Northern hospitality". I wouldn't count Oracle/Sun as getting the best of both worlds.

Re:Wow (1)

Ripit (1001534) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644161)

You're thinking of John F. Kennedy, who said, "Washington is a city of Southern efficiency and Northern charm."

Re:Wow (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644079)

Poorly run company with shitty products?

You can bet your money on it

Re:Wow (1)

flex941 (521675) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644185)

It may stay as "Masterfully run company with shitty products".

No betting allowed.

Re:Wow (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644227)

Oracle MyJavaSQL on Bulletproof Solaris?

This year is just beggining... (2, Interesting)

Kr0m (900780) | more than 5 years ago | (#27643999)

I wonder what will be the next big buyout? Novell seems the next likeliest candidate that would be up for grabs (By Microsoft?).

Oracle was wanting its own OS (4, Interesting)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644005)

Oracle was wanting its own OS. Not the worst way to get one and not the worst OS to have.

The internal announcement (5, Informative)

JerkBoB (7130) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644011)

For anyone with morbid curiosity:

From: Jonathan I. Schwartz
To: allsun@sun.com
Subject: Today's Sun/Oracle Announcement
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 04:34:16 -0700 (07:34 EDT)

Today's Sun/Oracle Announcement

This is one of the toughest emails I've ever had to write.

It's also one of the most hopeful about Sun's future in the industry.

For 27 years, Sun has stood for courage, innovation, a willingness to blaze trails, to envision and engineer the future. No matter our ups and downs, we've remained committed to those ideals, and to the R&D that's allowed us to differentiate. We've committed to decade long pursuits, from the evolution of one of the world's most powerful datacenter operating systems, to one of the world's most advanced multi-core microelectronics. We've never walked away from the wholesale reinvention of business models, the redefinition of technology boundaries or the pursuit of new routes to market.

Because of the unparalleled talent at Sun, we've also fueled entire industries with our people and technologies, and fostered extraordinary companies and market successes. Our products and services have driven the discovery of new drugs, transformed social media, and created a better understanding of the world and marketplace around us. All, while we've undergone a near constant transformation in the face of a rapidly changing marketplace and global economy. We've never walked away from a challenge - or an opportunity.

So today we take another step forward in our journey, but along a different path - by announcing that this weekend, our board of directors and I approved the acquisition of Sun Microsystems by the Oracle Corporation for $9.50/share in cash. All members of the board present at the meeting to review the transaction voted for it with enthusiasm, and the transaction stands to utterly transform the marketplace - bringing together two companies with a long history of working together to create a newly unified vision of the future.

Oracle's interest in Sun is very clear - they aspire to help customers simplify the development, deployment and operation of high value business systems, from applications all the way to datacenters. By acquiring Sun, Oracle will be well positioned to help customers solve the most complex technology problems related to running a business.

To me, this proposed acquisition totally redefines the industry, resetting the competitive landscape by creating a company with great reach, expertise and innovation. A combined Oracle/Sun will be capable of cultivating one of the world's most vibrant and far reaching developer communities, accelerating the convergence of storage, networking and computing, and delivering one of the world's most powerful and complete portfolios of business and technical software.

I do not consider the announcement to be the end of the road, not by any stretch of the imagination. I believe this is the first step down a different path, one that takes us and our innovations to an even broader market, one that ensures the ubiquitous role we play in the world around us. The deal was announced today, and, after regulatory review and shareholder approval, will take some months to close - until that close occurs, however, we are a separate company, operating independently. No matter how long it takes, the world changed starting today.

But it's important to note it's not the acquisition that's changing the world - it's the people that fuel both companies. Having spent a considerable amount of time talking to Oracle, let me assure you they are single minded in their focus on the one asset that doesn't appear in our financial statements: our people. That's their highest priority - creating an inviting and compelling environment in which our brightest minds can continue to invent and deliver the future.

Thank you for everything you've done over the years, and for everything you will do in the future to carry the business forward. I'm incredibly proud of this company and what we've accomplished together.

Details will be forthcoming as we work together on the integration planning process.

Jonathan

Facinating combination (5, Interesting)

downix (84795) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644029)

What we have here on one hand is Oracle, a company that is incredibly well run, but with products that don't cover a complete spectrum, and Sun, a so-so run company with a wide range of product lines. This can go two ways, Suns platform quality goes down while Oracles management goes down with it, *or*, and this is the scenario I hope for, Oracle cleans out the dead wood in Sun management, and adopts the Sun technology in force. I've worked on Oracle machines, and Sun machines. I've also delt with both companies sales forces. If the synergy can be hammered out, this can really shake up the business world.

One suggestion tho, keep both names. Use Sun for the hardware, Oracle for the software.

Re:Facinating combination (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644217)

I think it'll be a merge of the names. Sun's Java by Oracle. Oracle database server on Sun's Solaris, by Oracle, etc. There is a lot to be said for making sure your customer's know who is in charge of their products (Oracle). But you're right. The pedigree is just as important.

Jaw meets floor (1)

Moe1975 (885721) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644039)

Ow WOW!

This just blew me out of my chair . . . a bit sad in a way . . . I guess I would have would have rather seen IBM buying SUN

Just - WOW

Re:Jaw meets floor (1)

mother_reincarnated (1099781) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644099)

Just imagine how happy this news is making Dell and HP... Holy crapstorm in the making batman...

Re:Jaw meets floor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644229)

I'd imagine anything that gets someone who calls himself "Moe" out of his chair a good thing. :>

.10 a share, argh! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644051)

Please Sun why sell your soul for $0.10 a share, instead of IBM buying Sun, we have a company that sucks at engineering but has a dept full of hot marketing chicks buying a company that is decent at engineering (java excepted) but can't market well.

Why, why is evil so much more successful than good?

The walls of the Japanese Tea House won't be rice paper, they'll be the tear stained pages of code from what would have become the next version of ZFS before a bunch of Oracle hacks got a hold of it.

Re:.10 a share, argh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644207)

Evil pays better and doesn't balk at an extra 5mil in bribe money.

If you have to ask though, I imagine it's already too late to save yourself.

Is this good? (1)

irishfury (1430201) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644093)

I have no experience with Oracle. I'm relatively new to world of open-source software. I love Netbeans and MySQL. I do worry about these two awesome products, specifically MySQL. What good is a free, open-source database to Oracle, of all companies? I worry that developement of MySQL and Netebeans will grind to a halt. I hope not. Netbeans has really become awesome in the last few years. I love VirtualBox, too, but I'm sure Oracle could benefit from it. I really hope they don't start charging for these products.

This was blocked by... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644101)

I seem to recall seeing something on TV this past week about someone blocking the sale. I was half-asleep on the couch so I can't remember if it was on the news or what. But someone named "Montgomery Burns" and "Blocking the Sun" or something like that....

New hardware standard. (4, Insightful)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644135)

I wonder how long it will take Oracle to pretty much give the middle finger to HP and Dell hardware partnerships in favor of the soon-to-be-released OracleFire "product-in-the-box" line...

ZFS? (1)

JimXugle (921609) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644139)

So what does this mean for ZFS licensing?

Java 8 Preview (5, Funny)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644147)

Java 8 will replace String with String2, which will treat empty string and null the same.

Good-bye MySQL (4, Interesting)

PhotoGuy (189467) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644167)

Thankfully, I have recently switched myself (and my clients) over to Postgresql.

It was a sad day when Oracle got the rights to the InnoDB engine, but at least MySQL itself was in the hands of Sun.

With Oracle now owning all the rights to what is probably the biggest free competitor, I think the open source world shouldn't put much stock or investment into MySQL.

I've been quite impressed with the performance and straight-forwardness of PostGres, and will continue to happily use it. I was alawys keeping MySQL in the back of my mind, to try out now and then, but with this announcement, I doubt it'll be worthwhile.

Is there any anti-trust factors to this? Oracle, being a dominant database player, and buying up the biggest open source database?

Aside from that, I find this all very sad. Sun was one of the Unix innvators from the earliest days. Even when they grow large, they still seemed like a "cool company." Healey used to personally answer emails I would send him. Oracle seems to be the antithesis of this; major, corporate, gouging, monster... One can only hope that some of Sun's culture and products will survive.

Re:Good-bye MySQL (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27644209)

So you switched your clients over to postgresql.

That is major malpractice. You've now relegated them to a platform with a tiny market share, a community that's been rotting since 1999, and fewer support resources.

Your customers are ill-served by your decision.

MySQL == MyOracle?! (1)

GordonCopestake (941689) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644233)

So will they bury MySQL as a competitor or will we see a version of MyOracle released?

Was Foretold? (1)

KE1LR (206175) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644241)

Should Sun have done this sooner? Related story from years ago [slashdot.org] .

so why have i been (1)

nimbius (983462) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644243)

considering purchasing sun blades and hardware if the company is now owned by oracle? what does that mean?? more importantly, does this mean the purchasing guy is going to foam at the mouth when looking at the orders for Oracle and the orders for Sun?

The future. (1)

nitroyogi (1471601) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644253)

Now Oracle looks more future proof and well-placed than IBM, et al, in offering enterprise and end-to-end solutions to new markets for new apps. IBM will sooner or later realize that its legacy business won't hold too much value in the future and in the emerging markets.

I just hope that they let the R&D at Sun continue as it is and not bog it down by mundane bureaucracy or senseless big corporate culture.

Bad news for MySQL (3, Interesting)

jonnyj (1011131) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644259)

MySQL is worth far more to Oracle than to any other company. To anyone else, MySQL is simply worth the present value of its future revenue stream but, to Oracle, it's also worth the impact that it has on its own database revenue streams.

The anti-MySQL ranters who keep posting on /. miss the point that for many, if not most, commercial projects, MySQL is good enough and has a very low total ownership cost. Oracle knows that too, and the mere existence of MySQL puts an effective price cap on Oracle for low-end projects. It's not the number of users who actually switch to MySQL that bothers Oracle; it's the number who threaten to and get a discount as a result.

Look out for some significant changes to MySQL licensing and pricing. It's my guess that databases just got a whole load more expensive.

Sun's OSS Projects (0)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644267)

Better grab source while you can, expect all the projects to be closed and or cancelled.

Another busy year... (1)

yogibaer (757010) | more than 5 years ago | (#27644273)

We are an Oracle Certified Partner for Fusion Middleware and since the acquisition of BEA (remember, remember) we have been in the middle of the "App Wars" which BEA Weblogic won over the OC4J and the Oracle JDeveloper (so far) over the BEA Workbench and Eclipse. Only recently - after months of annoucnements, trainings, roadshows etc. - we slowly started to come out of the trenches, shellshocked and still a bit confused but with a clearer picture of what Oracle's products are going to look like in the forseeable future and what do we see in the early morning light: General Larry, whistle in hand, already on the way up the next hill... You have to give it to them: keeping something like that under wraps is a masterpiece, but I wonder how many of Oracle's partners, customers and employees will follow the general up that hill.
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