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Vatican To Build 100 Megawatt Solar Power Plant

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the go-big-or-go-home dept.

Power 447

Karim Y. writes "The Vatican is going solar in a big way. The tiny state recently announced that it intends to spend 660 million dollars to create what will effectively be Europe's largest solar power plant. This massive 100 megawatt photovoltaic installation will provide enough energy to make the Vatican the first solar powered nation state in the world! 'The 100 megawatts unleashed by the station will supply about 40,000 households. That will far outstrip demand by Pope Benedict XVI and the 900 inhabitants of the 0.2 square-mile country nestled across Rome's Tiber River. The plant will cover nine times the needs of Vatican Radio, whose transmission tower is strong enough to reach 35 countries including Asia.'"

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Insert joke.... (5, Funny)

mhazen (144368) | more than 5 years ago | (#27653909)

...about the Father, the Sun, and the Holy Ghost here.

Re:Insert joke.... (4, Funny)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654001)

ISIAH 60:19 The sun will no more be your light by day, nor will the brightness of the moon shine on you, .......(adlib) yet it shall power your many plasma screens and electric back scratcher..(/adlib)

Re:Insert joke.... (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654053)

What, no comic book love? This reminds me think of Orion's Sun Disc, from Matt Wagner's Grendel series.

Mod parent -1 heretic (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27654193)

yet it shall power your many plasma screens and electric back scratcher..

Why else did God set the Sun in orbit around the Earth?

Hotter'N'Hell (4, Funny)

davidwr (791652) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654043)

God got tired of Satan bragging about his "all naturally-environmentally-powered controlled climate system" so he upped the ante a bit.

Re:Hotter'N'Hell (0, Offtopic)

peragrin (659227) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654381)

if that's true will god ignite Jupiter so that there is enough day light hours so that the solar can truely power all of the vatican. Or will it only work during the his glorious light and at night there will be no lights?

Solar doesn't store power very well.

Don't think jupiter would do much. (3, Interesting)

tjstork (137384) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654551)

For some reason I think I've read that were Jupiter a star at its present size, if such a thing were even possible, at the distance to the earth it wouldn't be too horrible. The closest approach between Jupiter and Earth places is nearly twice as far as the Sun is from Mars. It might jack up the temperature by a degree and melt all the icecaps on earth, but other than that, it wouldn't be too big of a deal...

Re:Hotter'N'Hell (3, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654483)

God got tired of Satan

Just remember, Lucifer means "light-bringer".

Re:Hotter'N'Hell (1)

ioshhdflwuegfh (1067182) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654691)

God got tired of Satan bragging about his "all naturally-environmentally-powered controlled climate system" so he upped the ante a bit.

Add another 6 mil to the project and that would be 666 million dollars.

No, this isn't a job for the Trinity (2, Funny)

Potor (658520) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654231)

This is a job for Sol Invictus.

Re:No, this isn't a job for the Trinity (2, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654495)

The three of us that know what you're talking about agree.

Re:No, this isn't a job for the Trinity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27654661)

...and I don't even own a Mac.

Re:Insert joke.... (1)

JO_DIE_THE_STAR_F*** (1163877) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654289)

A $660,000,000.00 Temple to the Egyptian sun god Ra [wikipedia.org] . The Vatican is going to hell.

Re:Insert joke.... (5, Funny)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654303)

...about the Father, the Sun, and the Holy Ghost here.

No, no, no. The correct joke is:

This gives new meaning to the phrase "For thine is the kingdom and the power...."

Re:Insert joke.... (1)

ross.w (87751) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654635)

Except Catholics leave out that bit. Now you know why.

Re:Insert joke.... (2, Informative)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654669)

No, Catholics don't leave it out, or at least not when used as part of the mass. They just say it a little differently. The problem is, the Catholic form, "For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours now and forever," didn't allow me to end with the word "power" and have the fragment make much sense....

Re:Insert joke.... (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654393)

1. F, S, & HG
2. Lasers
3. Mirrors...

Illuminating Holy Trinity?

But, they won't unseat Alan Parsons in a fair match...

Re:Insert joke.... (5, Funny)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654481)

Pope Benedict harnesses Sun. Oracle Buys Sun [slashdot.org]

Larry Ellison is God?

Re:Insert joke.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27654579)

Greetings, brothers. Today we celebrate the birth of The Fuhrer [wikipedia.org] and the heroes Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold [wikipedia.org] ! Wir mussen die Juden aus rotten!

Re:Insert joke.... (1)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654665)

go-go gadget solar Jesus!

Wow (4, Funny)

Widowwolf (779548) | more than 5 years ago | (#27653929)

Holy megawatts Batman!

Re:Wow (3, Interesting)

DoctorBit (891714) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654187)

I'm doubtful about the numbers in the summary and title. 100 Megawatts would require over a square mile of collecting area at noon on a cloudless day, yet the entire country is only one fifth that size. Perhaps the power plant is in a neighboring country and the power gets pumped in from across the border?

Re:Wow (4, Informative)

erpbridge (64037) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654389)

Read the article. Plant is being constructed a days walk from Rome.

Re:Wow (4, Informative)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654443)

I'm doubtful about the numbers in the summary and title. 100 Megawatts would require over a square mile of collecting area at noon on a cloudless day, yet the entire country is only one fifth that size. Perhaps the power plant is in a neighboring country and the power gets pumped in from across the border?

The project is on the same 740 acre (~1.15 sq. mi.) extraterritorial holding on which the Vatican Radio's transmitters are located. Its in the secord paragraph of TFA.

Re:Wow (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654519)

Can you spell out some of your assumptions? At 50 watts per square meter (recent panels with noon sun should do quite a bit better than 50 watts / square meter), I get a good bit less than a square mile:

http://www.google.com/search?q=100+megawatts+%2F+(50+watts+%2F+(square+meter))+-%3E+square+miles [google.com]

Re:Wow (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654557)

Perhaps the power plant is in the [wikipedia.org] neighbouring country...

Fixed that for you.

Re:Wow (1)

dinther (738910) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654633)

Mod up this guy! Just my point too. What a joke

Asia isn't a country. (5, Funny)

shogun (657) | more than 5 years ago | (#27653931)

Now that we've dealt with that...

Re:Asia isn't a country. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27654059)

What about Africa? Don't tell me that it's not a country too!

Re:Asia isn't a country. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27654171)

It is but since you observed Asia it may or may have changed from a country to a continent.

Re:Asia isn't a country. (5, Funny)

chrism238 (657741) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654287)

Perhaps we should first check with Sarah Palin?

Re:Asia isn't a country. (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654387)

You're right, it's an awesome band. They probably forgot the distinction between band and country in the heat of the moment. Er... heat of the sun rather.

Wow, that's one of my worst jokes ever. I'm in physical pain.

Asia... (1, Redundant)

orkybash (1013349) | more than 5 years ago | (#27653935)

...is not a country.

Re:Asia... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27654065)

and the vatican does not nestle across the tiber river (rome does)

Re:Asia... (2, Funny)

Javaman59 (524434) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654229)

...is not a country.

Thankyou! Nor is South-East Asia a state. I know - I can see it from my balcony.

Allright, Illuminati... (5, Funny)

Fuzzlekits (909093) | more than 5 years ago | (#27653937)

So, how exactly are we planning to run them six million over budget, here?

Re:Allright, Illuminati... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27654559)

with all that power of the sun; it will be hot as hell.

Just remember when you give money to the church... (1, Insightful)

zonky (1153039) | more than 5 years ago | (#27653943)

Where it is going.

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (4, Funny)

RichardJenkins (1362463) | more than 5 years ago | (#27653997)

Putting Jesus through college?

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27654047)

Putting hits and stalkers out on folks who don't agree with the Catholic agenda and defense fees for pedophile priests.

But as long as the crazy zealots go to Mass every Sunday and pay their dues then all will be forgiven.

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27654185)

i can has citation?

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654553)

i can has citation?

Let me help:

"Putting hits and stalkers out of folks who don't agree with the Catholic agenda" See: Bill Donahue or The Holy Office of the Inquisition.

"Defense fees for pedophile priests" See: Diocese of Boston.

Here's a link [rawstory.com] to an article that makes reference to both of the GPs assertions of "hits and stalkers" and "defense fees for pedophiles".

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (-1, Troll)

Ruke (857276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654189)

You know, I'm all for renewable power, but, aren't there a whole lot of starving people that this money could be feeding? Diseases to cure? Good to do? I kinda thought that churches operated under the do good platform...

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (4, Informative)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654225)

You know, I'm all for renewable power, but, aren't there a whole lot of starving people that this money could be feeding? Diseases to cure? Good to do? kinda thought that churches operated under the do good platform...

There will be a lot more people dying prematurely from starvation and other avoidable causes if global warming isn't checked. That aside, its hardly as if the Roman Catholic Church is uninvolved in feeding or providing medical care to the needy. On the more general "platform" issue, one could RTFA:

The Germany-born Benedict has been outspoken on environmental issues since becoming pope in 2005. During an address for World Peace Day in 2006, he said: "The destruction of the environment, its improper or selfish use, and the violent hoarding of the Earth's resources cause grievances, conflicts and wars, precisely because they are the consequences of an inhumane concept of development."

The Vatican listed pollution as one of seven "social" sins in an effort last year to update the cardinal vices that date to the 6th century.

"You offend God not only by stealing, taking the Lord's name in vain or coveting your neighbor's wife but also by wrecking the environment," Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, said then.

More recently the Vatican has put words into actions.

The 5,000-square-meter roof of the Paul VI auditorium -- built in 1971 by Pier Luigi Nervi, the architect who designed Milan's Pirelli Tower -- was covered with 2,400 solar panels to produce 300 kilowatt hours of energy a year, enough for 100 households, cutting carbon-dioxide emissions by about 225 tons.

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (-1, Troll)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654447)

Shhhh!

You clearly don't understand American Christianity.

In American Christianity God says:
"Be nice to your neighbor.* As defined by a lawyer so as to not get sued."
"Feed the poor.* But fight foodstamps and welfare tooth and nail."
"Store up your treasures in heaven not here on earth.* But if someone suggests that maybe you should pay higher taxes cry communism and theft."
"Do not lend to your neighbor and expect a return.* Unless he took out a mortage then he's irresponsible and had better pay back every penny!"

Jesus was practically a hippy.

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (1, Troll)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654467)

"There will be a lot more people dying prematurely from starvation and other avoidable causes if global warming isn't checked"

there's no proof of this, only vague predictions and bad hollywood movies.

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (4, Insightful)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654545)

Proof?

There's an Oasis in Egypt that's drying up. (Siwa? Can't remember exactly) Once it's gone, all the people living there will either have to move or die.

There's plenty of proof out there. Global warming may not be globally bad, but it sure is shitty for quite a few countries. If you can't see that, you're a buffoon.

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (4, Funny)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654659)

there's no proof of this, only vague predictions and bad hollywood movies.

This is the Vatican we're talking about. What the hell are you doing telling them 'there's no proof of this'? It's never stopped them before.

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (0, Troll)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654233)

Churches do operate under the 'do good' platform, but they do good for the church, not for the individuals in the church and certainly not for individuals outside the church. This is why, for example, the Catholic church prohibits contraception; it makes the church grow more quickly. The fact that it encourages poverty and overtaxes the planets resources, causes wars, and increases the spread of aids are simply side effects (although the increase in poverty is beneficial, since the church finds it easier to spread its doctrine amongst people who can be convinced that their material poverty translates to spiritual wealth).

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27654457)

This is why, for example, the Catholic church prohibits contraception; it makes the church grow more quickly.

Do you really believe that the reason the Catholic Church prohibits contraception is because they simply want more members?

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (1)

TheDugong (701481) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654595)

Originally, yes. Just like priests not having children increased the wealth of the church. Nowadays...? Tradition?

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (1, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654597)

Do you really believe that the reason the Catholic Church prohibits contraception is because they simply want more members?

Considering there is no mention of contraception in the bible, I would like to hear why you think it prohibits contraception.

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (1)

blincoln (592401) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654645)

Churches do operate under the 'do good' platform, but they do good for the church, not for the individuals in the church and certainly not for individuals outside the church.

There are plenty of churches that do good for individuals outside the church, and I say that as someone who is agnostic.
Off the top of my head, my mother's church has a weekly free dinner for low-income families that's open to everyone, and during the severe flooding two winters ago here in the Northwest, the Mormons donated emergency supplies to victims.

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (1)

Da Cheez (1069822) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654259)

You know, I'm all for renewable power, but, aren't there a whole lot of starving people that this money could be feeding? Diseases to cure? Good to do? I kinda thought that churches operated under the do good platform...

I would tend to agree with you, however I think the Vatican's main reason for the solar power is to practice good stewardship of the earth by reducing carbon emissions (which can benefit starving people indirectly). But it is true that there are better things to be done with 660 million dollars that would be more beneficial for humanity in general than just providing power for a few hundred people.

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (5, Interesting)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654627)

You and the GP are both looking at it wrong. It costs $660 million dollars now, but it cuts the Vatican's power bill to zero, and the spare power can be sold to Italy at the market rate, resulting in a significant financial win for the Vatican. The money saved is money that can then be spent on humanitarian projects around the world. Over the expected life of the panels, the money the Church could spend should be far greater and can do far more good than spending the $660 on humanitarian causes up front.

It's like the people who suggested that the Church should sell all its properties (which some have estimated at on the order of $1-2 trillion dollars) and spend the money on the poor. The problem is that there are an estimated 963 million people in the world who are hungry, so even if you could feed them all for a net cost of only a dollar a day, the assets would last only about 3-6 years. Given the scale involved, a more realistic cost estimate would put that closer to 6 months. And, of course, when the money runs out, those hungry people would still be dirt poor, but there wouldn't be any more money coming in without congregants putting money in the collection basket every week. Thus, beyond a very short term view, that would be a foolish thing to do.

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (1)

GuruBuckaroo (833982) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654555)

Hey woman, your fine Solar Power, brand-new and expensive, should have been saved for the poor. Why has it been wasted? We could've raised maybe 300 silver pieces or more. People who are hungry, people who are starving, they matter more than your electrical power generation.

With apologies to Andrew Lloyd Webber

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (1)

LaskoVortex (1153471) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654561)

You know, I'm all for renewable power, but, aren't there a whole lot of starving people that this money could be feeding? Diseases to cure?

Retards-who-don't-understand-the-nature-of-capital-investment to educate?

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654615)

It's an investment. Spending $100 now to save $10/year for the next 15 years means more money for the poor further down the road.

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (5, Interesting)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654249)

The Catholic church is widely regarded to be the most wealthy organization in the world, by a long shot.

Personally, I'm happy to see them put it to work a bit, especially after seeing the Cuzco Church of Santo Domingo literally COVERED in gold and silver and the royal grandeur that is Saint Peter's Square. Add together the rest of the real estate, hard assets, art, donations, low cost of labor, etc, etc and you have a truly mighty organization that can do a lot more than it is. I swear, I saw both Cuzco and the Vatican years ago, and the wealth still boggles my mind.

Personally, I'm happy to see that money actually doing something other than contributing to opulence. I think they should be doing much more of this investment.

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27654573)

You sir are a geek as well

Re:Just remember when you give money to the church (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654487)

Well, Hell. This is at least on topic (sorta):

-

Controversy

The Vatican Bank is said to be a successful and profitable bank. By the 1990s, the Bank had invested somewhere over US$10 billion in foreign companies. In 1968 Vatican authorities hired Michele Sindona as a financial advisor, despite Sindona's questionable past. It was Sindona who was chiefly responsible for the massive influx of money when he began laundering the Gambino crime family's heroin monies (taking a 50% cut) through a shell corporation "Mabusi". This laundering was accomplished with the help of another banker, Roberto Calvi, who managed the Banco Ambrosiano. Both Calvi and Sindona were members of the P2 Lodge.[8]

When Pope John Paul I became Pope in 1978 he was informed about the allegations of wrongdoing at the Vatican Bank, and instructed Jean-Marie Villot, Cardinal Secretary of State and head of the papal Curia, to investigate the matter thoroughly. Pope John Paul I died after only 33 days in office, leading to claims that he had been murdered as a result of discovering a scandal. Pope John Paul I is generally accepted to have died from natural causes, although some medical experts believe that he may have died from a pulmonary embolism or an adverse reaction to the medication that he was taking rather than from a heart attack as was stated in original press reports of his death.

[edit] Banco Ambrosiano scandal
Main article: Banco Ambrosiano

The Vatican Bank was Banco Ambrosiano's main share-holder. Father Paul Marcinkus, head of the Institute for Religious Works from 1971 to 1989, was indicted in Italy in 1982 as an accessory in the $3.5 billion collapse of Banco Ambrosiano, one of the major post-war financial scandals. Banco Ambrosiano was accused of laundering drug money for the Sicilian Mafia, which used Propaganda Due (aka "P2"), a mobbed up Masonic lodge, as an intermediary. P2 and its Worshipful Master, Licio Gelli, were also involved in financing right wing terror groups during the 1970s. As for Fr. Marcinkus, he would never come to trial in Italy, where courts ruled that he possessed diplomatic immunity. He lived in retirement in Sun City, Arizona (US) until his death on February 21, 2006.

The Vatican Bank has denied having legal responsibility for the Ambrosiano's downfall but did acknowledge "moral involvement", and paid $241m (£169m) to creditors. As of 2006, investigations are continuing concerning the murder of Ambrosiano's chairman, Roberto Calvi, which, according to Ernest Backes, former #3 of Clearstream, may have been linked to the death of Gérard Soisson, who used to work for Clearstream, a "bank of banks" which practices financial clearing. According to recent wiretap information,[citation needed] however, Calvi's death was almost certainly decreed by the Cupola, the ruling council of the Sicilian Mafia, which had come to view Calvi as a liability since the bank's collapse.

[edit] Other allegations

Several books[clarification needed] that appeared during the 1990s were highly critical of the Vatican Bank's historical relations with right-wing governments and especially in the collaborationist regime of the Independent State of Croatia. They engendered initial defensive hostility and controversy. The controversy centers on conclusions drawn from the documentation rather than the documents themselves.

According to a 1998 report issued by the US State Department, the Nazi Croatian treasury was illicitly transferred to the Vatican Bank and other banks after the end of World War II. For its part, the Vatican has repeatedly denied any Franciscan participation in Ustashi crimes or the disappearance of the Croatian Treasury, yet has refused to open its wartime records to substantiate its denial.

A 1946 memo from US Treasury agent Emerson Bigelow, declassified in 1997, quoted a "reliable source in Italy", who alerted his superior that Croatian officials had sent 350 million confiscated Swiss francs (CHF) to the Vatican Bank "for safekeeping". On the way some CHF150 million were allegedly seized by British authorities at the border between Austria and Switzerland, which brought the secret transfer into the open. "There is no basis in reality to the report", said Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls, as reported in Time magazine [1]

.

The Vatican Bank has been often accused of funding the Solidarity Polish trade-union as well as the Contras, managing US covert funds.[9]

[edit] Legal action
Main article: Class action suit against the Vatican Bank and others

Vatican Bank and Franciscan Order were accused of financing the ratlines and ODESSA and laundering concentration camp loot. A class action suit, Emil Alperin et al. v. Vatican Bank et al., was filed in the United States district court in San Francisco on November 15, 1999. The plaintiffs are concentration camp survivors of Serb, Jewish, and Ukrainian background and their relatives as well as organizations representing over 300,000 Holocaust victims. John Loftus, co-author of Unholy Trinity, serves as an expert witness in this case.

Another suit, Levy v. CIA, filed under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act, sought the release of U.S. intelligence agency files regarding the alleged Vatican spymaster, Fr. Krunoslav Draganovic. New records on Draganovic were released as a result of that lawsuit in 2001.

The lawsuit was still pending in a United States Federal Court as of August 2008.

Clever idea. (4, Funny)

Rei (128717) | more than 5 years ago | (#27653955)

If they need extra power on certain days, they could just have the sun stop in the sky [biblegateway.com] for a while.

Re:Clever idea. (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654429)

A funny joke, but a disturbing quote. There was a russian that wrote a length about this. I believe the book was called "Worlds in Collision." I have a copy laying around somewhere. A bunch of cultures apparently all talked about the same event happening, though nobody really seems to know what happened. Anyone know what I'm talking about and have any ideas? I know its off topic and all, but I've been thinking about this and you mentioned it. The book proposes the idea that venus collided with earth at this time and thus the earth's rotation was halted momentarily, though I believe that this theory has been thoroughly debunked if I am not mistaken.

Re:Clever idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27654547)

Velikovsky.

It was never a theory. It was a hypothesis. And it's complete hogwash; there has never been any data whatsoever to support it.

The "same event" is supposedly Noah's flood, but that idea seems to have come from someone who doesn't understand the water cycle....

That a big flood might be described (and exaggerated) by multiple cultures is hardly surprising. Weather exists everywhere.

Jesus take the wheel (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27653965)

I'm too busy getting frosties to drive this bus

Re:Jesus take the wheel (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654617)

...getting frosties...

Is that some kind of sick sexual code?

Changing idols? (3, Funny)

B5_geek (638928) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654025)

So it appears that the Marketing department has won once again. After ~2000 years they have decided to 'freshen things up a little'. Looks like Buddy Christ lost.

So now that the Vatican is a Solar sect, does that mean using sunblock SPF-50 is a sin?
Skin cancer the new stigmata?

Remember kids; everything old is new again, I'm just waiting for my Leisure Suits to come back into style.

Irony? (1)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654045)

It's like raaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiaaaaaaaan....

Doing for solar what they did for radio? (4, Interesting)

RobertB-DC (622190) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654055)

As I recall (and Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] backs it up, FWIW), Vatican Radio may not be such a good example of a successful, well-received project. It takes a lot of juice to pump a radio signal from Italy to Asia, and from what I've heard, the folks who live nearby aren't too happy about it. Take the debate over cell phone (non-ionizing) radiation, and multiply it by a few megawatts.

OTOH, maybe it's a final solution to the problem: buy out everyone living near the tower, and replace the whole swath of land with solar concentrators. It's, um, brilliant!

Re:Doing for solar what they did for radio? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27654109)

1. Build your home near a radio tower
2. Live for 50 years there
3. Let your children sue the owner of the radio tower
4. PROFIT???

Re:Doing for solar what they did for radio? (4, Interesting)

ChienAndalu (1293930) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654417)

I wonder if they could build an antenna to capture some of the energy - Tesla style. But I'm no radio geek.

Too much sun (3, Funny)

arizwebfoot (1228544) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654057)

And all this time I thought the Vatican ran on a 12 volt Interstate Battery recharged by some monk on a bicycle.

Whew, thanks for the correction.

What a dreadful mistake! (5, Funny)

jayke (1531583) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654079)

Asia is not a country, you silly people! You're thinking of Africa.

Regards,
Sarah P.

40,000 households for 900 people (1, Redundant)

SirCowMan (1309199) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654117)

Either everyone has lots of houses, they plan to fire up another 6-7 radiostations, or some engineers went a little nuts with the Church's charge card. Serious overcapacity! :P

Re:40,000 households for 900 people (4, Informative)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654191)

Either everyone has lots of houses, they plan to fire up another 6-7 radiostations, or some engineers went a little nuts with the Church's charge card.

Or, we could RTFA, and find:

The Vatican, advantaged by its small size, will count on revenue and solar aid from Italy after 2014. That's when the new plant is scheduled to turn the enclave into an electricity exporter to the nation that surrounds it.

Re:40,000 households for 900 people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27654369)

You don't even need to RTFA to work that out, people do that with home electricity production.

Sell juice (5, Insightful)

AutoReg (1140805) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654139)

I'm guessing that Vatican City is connected to Italy's power grid - passing the collection plate isn't the only way to make $$.

A waste of good money for green (4, Informative)

btempleton (149110) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654219)

Solar PV is one of the least efficient ways to take money and make the world greener. As a charitable organization, the Vatican could get 50x the MWH offsets per buck by giving away efficient lighting, or if that is too abstract it could get 3x the MWH offset per dollar by buying new fridges for the poor who have old fridges from 1990 and earlier. Those fridges from the past use 2-3 times the energy per year that a modern one does, and so it is much greener if the Vatican buys them for the poor and uses grid power itself rather than putting up wasteful solar panels.

Re:A waste of good money for green (4, Insightful)

hey! (33014) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654337)

Except that they can't recoup costs by giving away efficient appliances and bulbs, because they aren't a utility, nor are they a government with enough electricity users and a regulated utility to play those kinds of financial games.

So, unless there's untapped oil reserves sitting under Rome, this is just about the only way for them to get into the energy game, once they've replace all their own light bulbs.

Also, catching the tech wave is all about timing and positioning too. There's always going to be some folks who try too early, and others that think the ones catching the wave are too early. Somebody's got to try early, because the technology won't really be practical until there have been a few failures.

Re:A waste of good money for green (1)

cypherwise (650128) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654405)

"....because the technology won't really be practical until there have been a few failures."

Are you insinuating that the Vatican is small enough to fail? Wait.....nevermind.

Sure? (2, Interesting)

feranick (858651) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654517)

Quote: "Solar PV is one of the least efficient ways to take money and make the world greener." I would like to see some reference to that claim, because it's totally wrong. PV solar is getting VERY close to the tipping point of being economically viable (2015 projected date), when compared with fossile based technologies. It's the ONLY green technology (besides, conservation) to be that close.

Re:A waste of good money for green (1)

Firethorn (177587) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654591)

As a charitable organization, the Vatican could get 50x the MWH offsets per buck by giving away efficient lighting,

The thing that gets me about this is that people will tell me about all the ways to save power, and my response is usually 'already done'. I'm at the point that to be more energy efficient would involve either extreme sacrifice - like keeping my house at 40F during the winter even when I'm home, or just plain rebuilding my house.

Once they've already updated their appliances and lighting, what's left?

Sure, there's still a good deal that can be done on the appliance side. However, the population of the USA and world are still increasing. We need to address the supply side, preferably sooner than later. The way we're going we aren't going to be shutting off dirty CO2 exhausting coal plants anytime soon.

A modern nuclear plant would save more CO2 per dollar spent, but this is still a step.

Re:A waste of good money for green (1)

swanriversean (928620) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654649)

what?
you have to be poor to have a fridge from the 1990's?!

WWJD? (1)

kaikane (1534025) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654241)

Water into wine... Loaves and fishes... These guys have been doing it for years.

E pur si muove? (3, Funny)

Cajun Hell (725246) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654283)

In Vatican, sun orbit YOU!

The good, the bad, the ugly. (2, Funny)

Areyoukiddingme (1289470) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654317)

Damnit, there goes the production capacity of Nanosolar Inc. for ANOTHER two years. Cheap solar cell retail availability gets shooooved to the right to ------> 2012.

<Godwin>First those damn Germans bought up all their production, attempting to perpetuate their Fourth Reich!<tinfoilhat>Now it's a conspiracy to preempt and prevent micro-generation!</tinfoilhat></Godwin>

Re:The good, the bad, the ugly. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27654469)

Actually, thanks to the global recession, the price of silicon and solar cells have been dropping dramatically. Unless, you're just looking at a single companies production and not the world wide production of solar cells?

Death Star (5, Funny)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654453)

Of course, with the pope's uncanny resemblance to Emperor Palpatine, I can't resist the thought of hearing, upon completion of the 100 MegaWatt facility, the words: "NOW YOU WILL WITNESS THE POWER OF THIS FULLY OPERATIONAL BATTLE STATION!"...

Re:Death Star (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654651)

Of course, with the pope's uncanny resemblance to Emperor Palpatine

His predecessor looked a little like Yoda, now that I think about it, but I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable leaving him unchaperoned with Luke Skywalker.

Slashdotted (1)

Brett Buck (811747) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654475)

Maybe with all those page hits, the hamster got tired. No wonder they need a solar plant

If I understand well... (2, Insightful)

RuiFerreira (791654) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654477)

... the Vatican is building a solar power plant in Italian territory, subsidized by Italian money, to export energy to Italy? That seems like a good deal.

Asia... (0, Redundant)

sysusr (971503) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654493)

...isn't a country.

A Good Example (1)

LaskoVortex (1153471) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654527)

What we are seeing here is an evolution of technology, where less adapted technologies are replaced by more adapted technologies.

Re:A Good Example (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654693)

What we are seeing here is an evolution of technology, where less adapted technologies are replaced by more adapted technologies.

Looks more like it is being Intelligently Designed.

666 million dollars (4, Funny)

hoggoth (414195) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654605)

> The Vatican is going solar in a big way. The tiny state recently announced that it intends to spend 660 million dollars to create what will effectively be Europe's largest solar power plant.

For only 6 million dollars more they can add an option to generate power from the conversion of pure evil.

Please carefully review it (1)

kentsin (225902) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654639)

There are so little data about solar engineer. How they will affect food production and weather.

There are nothing pure good in this world. Please carefully review it after it put into work.

And yet... (0, Troll)

macraig (621737) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654643)

... 660 million dollars is petty cash to the Vatican, so perhaps this amounts to the kind of thing you and I might do on a Friday night to blow off a little steam and empty our pockets of jingling coin.

If there's a hint of bitterness in that, perhaps it's because the Vatican takes in billions of dollars every year from addictive delusional suckers, just like lotteries and casinos... only worse: they then use those billions to control people's action and thought, unlike lotteries and casinos, not to mention cajoling them into donating further billions. It's not about saving souls, it's about funding a minority's desire to wear nice funky robes and feel ridiculously important.

Re:And yet... (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654671)

Its just how many humans aggregate. Just like how gravity is how some kinds of matter aggregate.

How do they store the energy? (3, Interesting)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 5 years ago | (#27654699)

I know there are batteries but what size of batteries or what storage setup would be employed in banking the power captured during the day for use during night time?

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