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Cops To Start CrimeTube To Report Offenses

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the voluntary-participation-clause-to-be-removed-soon dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "UK citizens may soon be able to report crimes by uploading videos taken from their mobile phones. Ian Readhead, director of information for the Association of Chief Police Officers, told silicon.com that forces want to build a video reporting portal to allow the public to upload potential evidence. Checking YouTube is now a routine part of many police investigations, he said, and police want to build on the extra functionality that this gives them."

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238 comments

Holy crap! (5, Interesting)

plover (150551) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705207)

So as a subscriber, I get to see stories before TFA is slashdotted. The preview stories come with this little question: "See any serious problems with this story? Email our on-duty editor." I don't think emailing the Slashdot editors is going to fix the problems I see with this one!

TFA gives the example of a white van involved in some crime. Well, I have a neighbor whose dog barks all night, but drives a brown van. No problem, a little Photoshop here and there, and voilá! "Instant Evidence"! The neighbors dog spends 6-8 months in the kennel while his owner does the same thing.

Re:Holy crap! (1)

JohnFluxx (413620) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705469)

How is that any different to doing that then posting the 'evidence' to the police?

Re:Holy crap! (5, Insightful)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705829)

It makes it too easy. Let's say that your neighbor likes to smoke pot from time to time, and that bothers you. Normally you would have to call the police and file and official complaint. Not anymore. Just get your crappy cell phone out and submit the video and wait for the police come to take them away.

To me, it is one of those "whatwouldpossiblygowrong" type things. I feel that it should be at least a "little bit of a pain in the ass" to file a complaint with the police. Making small amounts of red tape (i.e. you actually have to call a phone number and talk to somone) limits the number of frivilous complaints.

Re:Holy crap! (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705995)

It makes it too easy. Let's say that your neighbor likes to smoke pot from time to time, and that bothers you.

I'm not saying that the behavior should be any more illegal than smoking tobacco (Arguably it should be far less so) but if you smoke weed where it's illegal and you do it in plain sight of someone you don't know you can trust then you're a bozo.

Making small amounts of red tape (i.e. you actually have to call a phone number and talk to somone) limits the number of frivilous complaints.

You'll probably have to fill out a form when you upload the video, too.

at last (5, Funny)

Chapter80 (926879) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705481)

I finally have a server that I can store all my snuff films on!

Re:Holy crap! (5, Interesting)

csartanis (863147) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705497)

I wonder what will happen to the videos of police committing crimes?

Re:Holy crap! (3, Insightful)

cs02rm0 (654673) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705967)

I wonder what will happen to the videos of police committing crimes?

If believed to be connected with terrorism (and isn't everything?) then taking pictures/video of police offers is against the law in the UK.

Move Along (1)

JaneTheIgnorantSlut (1265300) | more than 5 years ago | (#27706089)

Sorry, nothing like that in our database. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Re:Holy crap! (4, Interesting)

A non-mouse Coward (1103675) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705529)

Where do I upload suspected thoughtcrime?

Re:Holy crap! (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705595)

They could arrest Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson for thoughtcrime:

Sitting on the park bench
Eyeing little girls, with bad intent...

Re:Holy crap! (1)

Chabil Ha' (875116) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705957)

You're modded funny, but that's the same thought I had. All the coppers need to do now is organize local chapters of 'The Junior Spies' and the circle will finally be complete.

Re:Holy crap! (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705567)

No problem, a little Photoshop here and there

That would be getting into the realm of video effects which are much less trivial than Photoshop. The idea is still troubling, because the fewer the people who could do it, the much more believable it would be. That level of skill is asking to be abused!

Re:Holy crap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705727)

The exact same things can be done right now, pre-CrimeTube.
Evidence can be, and has been very many times, faked.

But the fact that this is an official police site, i doubt anyone would be stupid enough to submit shopped videos, because it will mean that you are now involved with the case (oh, they'll find you)

Just because you recorded someone that looked like they may have been planting a bomb, doesn't mean it is an instant-win against said potential bomb planter.
He could have just been planting a plant.

Re:Holy crap! (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705777)

TFA gives the example of a white van involved in some crime. Well, I have a neighbor whose dog barks all night, but drives a brown van. No problem, a little Photoshop here and there, and voilá! "Instant Evidence"! The neighbors dog spends 6-8 months in the kennel while his owner does the same thing.

Wouldn't you think that they'd notice he really drives a brown van when they show up?

Its not as if you can report people as it is with certain authorities. In my city the official city website allows you to not only report potholes, but illegal activity.

I suppose if they had an "upload file" I could submit more data which I could spent more time doctoring, but as the current law has it, police can't use citizen media as evidence directly because of tampering legality issues (IANAL)

Either way I still can make up stuff in the report, but I'm sure it could come back to me once they figured out I was lying.

Nothing is in isolation (4, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705817)

Arguments like yours seem not well thought out to me. Yes you could frame him for a crime. Hell, why not shoot a few people and leave the smoking gun in his garage too?

Well I'll tell you why, because police actually INVESTIGATE a crime. They aren't going to look at one video or piece of evidence, throw him in jail, and call it a day. They are going to look at all the evidence as a body to see what fits...

So what happens when the evidence YOU submitted turns out to be the only information that doesn't mesh with everything else they have collected? They are going to come asking you some tough questions, and if you really tried to frame someone I hope you like sharing rooms with rough men because that's where you are headed.

There's a reason in the past why people generally don't try to make up evidence and video is no exception. Personally I think it's great that people can submit video to help catch criminals if they are too concerned about personal safety to get involved. Wouldn't you rather have user submitted videos of crime submitted by real people than have monitoring cameras everywhere "just in case?". I lean on the side of trusting people in an area to say "hey, there's a problem here".

Re:Nothing is in isolation (3, Funny)

Tanktalus (794810) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705993)

Well I'll tell you why, because police actually INVESTIGATE a crime.

I'd like to know where this mythical place is where police are both sufficiently funded, and incorruptible.

(Maybe you've been watching too much CSI:NY?)

Re:Nothing is in isolation (2, Funny)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27706013)

and if you really tried to frame someone I hope you like sharing rooms with rough men because that's where you are headed.

Dear Sir,

I wish to complain in the strongest possible terms, about the comment which you have just submitted about the rough men that are frightening to be in the same room with.
Many of my best friends are rough men, and only a few of them are transvestites.

Yours faithfully,

Brigadier Sir Charles Arthur
Strong (Mrs)

P.S.: I have never kissed the editor of TFA.

Re:Holy crap! (3, Insightful)

dwiget001 (1073738) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705827)

Yeah, it's not so much "Big Brother is watching you" it is "Little Brothers and Sisters are watching you".

This can't be good.

Re:Holy crap! (2, Interesting)

noidentity (188756) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705833)

Hopefully the videos are simply used to generate leads, since as evidence there is no way to verify their authenticity. But it seems that it'd be more productive to simple have the people, you know, call on the phone to report suspicious activity. They could send a patrol to check it within the hour, rather than waiting for it to show up on YouTube.

Re:Holy crap! (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705923)

No problem, a little Photoshop here and there, and voilá! "Instant Evidence"!

Even a dude defending himself in court could dodge that. "Here's a picture of my not-brown-van and documentation to back that up."

Theoretically speaking, if the photograph is all they have to go on, it shouldn't lead to jail time. Of course, I understand reality is more theatrical.

Insurance Fraud Galore (2, Insightful)

rodrigoandrade (713371) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705213)

How long before people start using this new tech to make bogus insurance claims??

Re:Insurance Fraud Galore (2, Informative)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705275)

How long before people start using this new tech to make bogus insurance claims??

If most people can watch a staged youtube clip and call it out as a sham, I think the cops will be even better equipped at spotting a faked clip. And making a false statement to the police is itself a crime, so their 15 minutes of youtube fame will run out pretty fast...

Re:Insurance Fraud Galore (4, Insightful)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705335)

Why would the cops care? They have "evidence", someone ends up in the pokey, and they get to be "tough on crime". Everyone is guilty of something so whoever they do throw the book at had it coming anyways.

(Brought to you by the Word of the Day: Quota)

Re:Insurance Fraud Galore (4, Insightful)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705527)

Just like in East Germany (back in the day)... Spy on your neighbors, report back to The State!

Re:Insurance Fraud Galore (1)

gapagos (1264716) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705975)

In the name of Godwin's Law, your argument is under arrest.

Re:Insurance Fraud Galore (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27706009)

You fail at Godwin. Please leave.

Re:Insurance Fraud Galore (1)

lgarner (694957) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705785)

Probably about as long as it takes now.

Re:Insurance Fraud Galore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705913)

Yes, where's my damn life insurance
Quagmire death scene [youtube.com]

So what are they going to do (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705219)

So what are they going to do when people start uploading videos en masse of the police breaking the law?

Re:So what are they going to do (4, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705257)

Charge them with disseminating material that might be potentially useful to terrorists, of course. Easy enough [bbc.co.uk] .

Re:So what are they going to do (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705541)

So what are they going to do when people start uploading videos en masse of the police breaking the law?

Every keyboard I have ever seen has a "Delete" key. The police will eventually find it on theirs.

What's the point? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705221)

Your every action is already videotaped in England.

Crimes by cops? (3, Interesting)

ShadesFox (1534855) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705227)

I think that this will be mostly used to video tape cops doing terrible things and uploading it for all to see. I also can't help but think that it will be largely ignored.

Re:Crimes by cops? (3, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705549)

Post it on YouTube AND their site. If it doesn't appear on their site, come back to YouTube and say "I sent this to the official crime-reporting site but they pretended it didn't happen" and watch your view counter spin like Orwell in his grave.

Orwell spinning in his grave? (4, Funny)

drewzhrodague (606182) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705701)

...watch your view counter spin like Orwell in his grave.

You may need to gear it down and use a tachometer. I understand he's starting to fly apart in there.

This is brilliant? (3, Funny)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705231)

This is brilliant, but I don't know how well it will work.

I tried it out, to see if I could get results. After spending a full day videotaping the dealings of the CEO of a major US company this week, and posting it, the police responded "Well, I mean, we don't really deal with this kind of stuff. Find me a guy who stole some cigarettes or something"

Re:This is brilliant? (1)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705249)

(Substitute US with UK, you get the idea)

Re:This is brilliant? (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705919)

Maybe you accidentally taped the honest one.

Re:This is brilliant? (1)

ljw1004 (764174) | more than 5 years ago | (#27706077)

Like they say, "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Anatole_France [wikiquote.org]

Report on your neighbor! (4, Insightful)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705263)

Orwellian much?

Re:Report on your neighbor! (4, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705343)

Not a huge surprise. They already have the "If you suspect it Report it" [police.uk] campaign.

Not to mention good old "Secure beneath the watchful eyes". [flickr.com] (yes, they are actually serious. As in, that poster is not ironic.)

Re:Report on your neighbor! (1)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705563)

Not to mention good old "Secure beneath the watchful eyes". [flickr.com] (yes, they are actually serious. As in, that poster is not ironic.)

God. I want one of those posters SO bad!

Re:Report on your neighbor! (1)

hoggoth (414195) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705645)

and this classic [harryallen.info]

oh, sorry I mixed up my fascists. Don't report me.

Re:Report on your neighbor! (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705857)

Jesus H. Christ...I am thoroughly convinced that the British (and many other Europeans) have a fetish with subjugation and pacifism.

Re:Report on your neighbor! (2, Interesting)

raburton (1281780) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705365)

And here is another fine example... http://jamesholden.net/billboard/ [jamesholden.net]

This nice webpage allows you to generate your own, but the ones shown are genuine ones, I've seen both these billboards around my own town, and it's not like I live in London.

Re:Report on your neighbor! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705377)

Bah, it's the UK; the police probably already have it on video.

Report on the cops! (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705423)

Classic all-time backfires much?

Re:Report on your neighbor! (1)

JohnFluxx (413620) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705489)

What exactly is wrong with reporting a crime that your neighbor did?

Re:Report on your neighbor! (1)

drewzhrodague (606182) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705731)

What exactly is wrong with reporting a crime that your neighbor did?

What's wrong with reporting a crime that your [boss|teacher|brother|parent|child] did?

Re:Report on your neighbor! (4, Interesting)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705649)

How fitting, then, that the Wikipedia article of the day is the biographical article on Judge Learned Hand, who said:

[M]y friends, will you not agree that any society which begins to be doubtful of itself; in which one man looks at another and says: "He may be a traitor," in which that spirit has disappeared which says: "I will not accept that, I will not believe that--I will demand proof. I will not say of my brother that he may be a traitor," but I will say, "Produce what you have. I will judge it fairly, and if he is, he shall pay the penalties; but I will not take it on rumor. I will not take it on hearsay. I will remember that what has brought us up from savagery is a loyalty to truth, and truth cannot emerge unless it is subjected to the utmost scrutiny"--will you not agree that a society which has lost sight of that, cannot survive?

Re:Report on your neighbor! (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 5 years ago | (#27706033)

You may say that, but if I look out the window and see you robbing my neighbor, you better believe I'm going to report you. And if I see you raping someone, I'm coming out with a baseball bat.

Same goes for if you're a policeman, although in that case I think a cell phone and video camera would be a more potent weapon. There is no better way to stay safe than watching out for each other as a society. It's not Orwellian to report crime, it's Orwellian if 'crime' is redefined to mean 'unpatriotic behavior.' Which doesn't mean it's ok to fight against the government. If I catch you seriously plotting to kill the president, I will report you too.

On the other hand if I see you smoking weed I won't report you.

Let's get started! (4, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705271)

If they had this in the US, I would upload video of my ATT phone/wireless/internet bill.

We the people ... (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705289)

... are BIG BROTHER ... Who knew????

Re:We the people ... (5, Funny)

Reziac (43301) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705803)

Exactly what bothers me about such schemes. Your neighbour becomes your possible enemy... divide the people so they cannot possibly move against an oppressive gov't, because they all distrust one another too much.

Cue the "in Soviet Russia" jokes... oh, how about this one??

Subject: KGB
Place and time: Somewhere in the Soviet Union in the 1950s.

The phone rings at KGB headquarters.

"Hello?"

"Hello, is this KGB?"

"Yes. What do you want?"

"I'm calling to report my neighbor Yankel Rabinovitz as an enemy of the State. He is hiding undeclared diamonds in some fallen trees on his property."

"This will be noted." Next day, the KGB patrol arrives at the Rabinovitz's house. They chop the trees into pieces, but find no diamonds.

Later the phone rings at the Rabinovitz house.
"Hello, Yankel! Did the KGB come?"

"Yes. Did they chop your firewood?"

"Yes, they did."

"Okay, now it's your turn to call. I need my vegetable patch plowed.

Slashdot footer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705291)

My EARS are GONE!!

You shouldn't have dueled in Diablo 2.

what.... (2, Funny)

Dyinobal (1427207) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705293)

I don't see any way this could possibly go wrong!

Police Abuse Videos (4, Interesting)

MasterOfMagic (151058) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705297)

What happens when you upload a video of the police abusing a citizen (assuming you can smuggle your copy out of the situation)? Do they auto-delete or does the spin machine automatically fire up?

Re:Police Abuse Videos (1)

senorpoco (1396603) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705427)

after seeing some of the G20 footage I am considering buying a small video camera. There is too much going on that gets hidden or ignored.

Re:Police Abuse Videos (4)

Minwee (522556) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705457)

No, they just send someone over to arrest you for taking photographs of a police officer [bjp-online.com] .

No spin is necessary as you are clearly a terrorist.

Re:Police Abuse Videos (1)

MasterOfMagic (151058) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705939)

Of course spin is necessary. How else are they going to justify their little police angels being treated differently than the regular citizen when there is media coverage?

If a citizen commits a crime on camera, the news media invariably gets a copy of the footage and, at least in America, blares it all over the evening news, and brings in "experts" to comment on what happened in it, and occasionally brings in a lawyer to talk about what possible legal penalties could be faced. Often, the suspect's face isn't blurred (unless they're under 18, and the only reason for that is that it's the law forced on the media), and people very infrequently refer to the suspect as "the suspect" or "the accused".

If a police officer commits a crime on camera and the news media does the above, the police department goes ape shit. "You're putting this officer's life in danger because people now know he's a police officer!" "You shouldn't be convicting him in the court of public opinion!" "Until we've done our internal investigation (a time when the officer is on PAID leave, he gets a vacation for breaking the law), we won't comment but stop showing the footage!" Often, the media blurs out the face of the officer, and very often refers to him as "the accused" or "the suspect".

If media like that is laid out for all to see without commentary, who's going to give the police that special treatment that they so want but don't deserve?

That leaves them with only one other choice - deleting the footage to protect their superstar thugs.

Re:Police Abuse Videos (4, Interesting)

DaFallus (805248) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705767)

Someone just needs to start their own YouTube style site specifically for uploading and sharing videos of police brutality, corruption, or any other type of malfeasance. You could search by city, state, names, etc and link it to Google Maps. I think the fallout of such a thing would be interesting to say the least.

cops on crimetube? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705315)

If you submit a video of a cop committing a crime, would they actually do anything about it? Or is that what YouTube is for?

Lawyers Will Love It! (1)

Velska1 (1435341) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705341)

I'm sure the British are not as lawsuit-happy as Americans, but I'm sure the lawyers still are going to love this.

Just think all the people, whose faces get inserted into questionable videos. The more rich and famous you are, the more people want to do that to you, and the more likely you are to sue for defamation.

Unless they really are able to sort the videos out in some meaningful way, that will be a cross between 4chan and Big Brother, in a way that minimizes comedy and maximizes misery.

Panopticon prison (1)

b0ttle (1332811) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705345)

We are getting closer to the panopticon [wikipedia.org] concept.

CopTube (4, Insightful)

Weedhopper (168515) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705367)

I'm more interested in a mobile phone YouTube to report misdeeds and abuses by police officers.

I say that even though most of my interactions with police officers, even if they haven't been necessarily pleasant due to the circumstances, have been professional. It's just that I've been there and seen enough abuses of authority by bad cops to know that when it does happen, the only thing that's going to help you is video evidence.

I wish those nine out ten good cops wouldn't cover for that one bad cop.

Re:CopTube (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705839)

Any "good cop" who covers for a bad cop is a bad cop.

Re:CopTube (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27706031)

I wish those nine out ten good cops wouldn't cover for that one bad cop.

What makes you think those are nine out of ten good cops, and not just nine out of ten situations where a cop is good? People who often do the wrong thing also sometimes do the right thing. And as the sibling to my comment says, if you're covering for misdeeds of another officer, you are a bad cop. Don't want the label? Quit, or fess up. Don't want to get shot fessing up? That's understandable, but it doesn't make you any less hypocritical, or any better a person.

And that surely will include... (1, Troll)

aaandre (526056) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705393)

...crimes committed by cops

Right?

Right?

Rather Pointless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705419)

This is a bit pointless, as it will just give the police one more place to check. Some users are still going to upload their video to YouTube and not CopTube, so the police will likely still need to search YouTube for videos.

What I don't see in the article that would be more useful, is having all videos submitted to CopTube be watchable by the public. Then users get to ridicule the perpetrators and can even help identify some of them. The cops could even post their own surveillance videos that needed identification.

And, as for this being too Orwellian, I would agree if you were posting videos of your neighbor contemplating a crime, but until cell phone cameras can read minds, I don't see it happening.

Aero

Routine? (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705439)

Checking YouTube is now a routine part of many police investigations

I'd bet that checking other kind of *tube sites is more like their daily routines for a part of them.

The nature of people (2, Insightful)

mraudigy (1193551) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705451)

My concern is that this will turn into citizens adopting a semi-crazed state of vigilantism. In the States where I'm from people around here take the Neighborhood Watch program WAY too seriously -- 24/7 neighborhood patrols in their cars, radio communications, etc. Now that people can upload possible evidence, I can see people taking a fairly innocent concept to a whole new level -- actively looking for "crimes" and recording the footage. And, what about privacy issues? It would only be a matter of time before people start suspecting their neighbots of "crimes" and put 24/7 surveillance on them.

Private in Public? (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705867)

And, what about privacy issues?

It boggles my mind when people out in Public expect everything they do should be Private.

If someone started recording my home 24/7 I'd say - thanks for taking on the expense of extra security footage, sucker.

Re:The nature of people (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27706063)

I can see people taking a fairly innocent concept to a whole new level -- actively looking for "crimes" and recording the footage

Since people are already doing this, I guess you should be able to see it.

And, what about privacy issues? It would only be a matter of time before people start suspecting their neighbots of "crimes" and put 24/7 surveillance on them.

The nosy old lady across the street is already doing this, too.

I can put you under some level of 7x24 surveillance totally legally if I so choose. I won't be able to watch you in your bedroom with the shades drawn, but I'll know if you leave your house and what you're wearing.

CPD (2, Interesting)

chicago_scott (458445) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705455)

If this were Chicago the system would eventually become overwhelmed by police crimes.

Re:CPD (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705585)

If this were Chicago the system would eventually become overwhelmed by police crimes.

Or crimes by your Governor..
*rim shot*

Educated Stupid (4, Funny)

Millennium (2451) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705467)

These evil word bastards are perpetuating non-Cubic myth. Only Dr. Gene Ray, wisest human, can possibly understand the depth and importance of this harmonic system with 4 simultaneous days in a single rotation...

Oh, wait; Crime Tube? Um, err, sorry about that. My bad.

Man, that sucks.

Re:Educated Stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705859)

(golf clap)

why a new tube? (1)

castironpigeon (1056188) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705471)

If you have something to share, just post it to YouTube. If the police are interested they know where to look.

does criminal need to be informed they are taped? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705479)

Dont' know about the UK, but I seem to recall something in the USA that doesn't allow video/audio tapes to be used in court unless the defendant knew about the taping.

Re:does criminal need to be informed they are tape (1)

mikael (484) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705591)

In the UK, a CCTV recording is only admissable if it has the date/time written on the video.

Most places with video cameras have "CCTV system in use" signs on the windows. There was also a case in the South coast of England where a home owner was being harassed by kids in his neighborhood (they were throwing stones at his windows and vandalising his car). He installed a CCTV system to record the activity, then after catching the crime happening, he checked the video then called the police. The officers came to his house, asked if he had viewed the tape, then said they couldn't use it as "he had tampered with the evidence".

Another time, a disabled resident who had a similar problem with kids and his disability adapted car and put up a CCTV system without planning permission, was sent a notice by the council to remove the CCTV system. He did so, and his car was vandalised that night.

Security Cameras? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705503)

Isn't the UK already famous for the security cameras on every street corner? I thought that would be enough...

This is fantastic... (2)

dkarma (985926) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705513)

Now when people upload video evidence of police officers committing crimes and the cops delete them there are TWO crimes committed. Something tells me that this is not going to replace youtube any time soon.

Recent Events in Erie (1)

HerbanLegend (758842) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705523)

Here in Erie, PA, recently a cop was filmed off duty in a bar apparently mocking a homicide victim and his family in a rather obnoxious manner. Somebody put it on YouTube, and now the papers are reporting that the police are launching a "probe" to find the naughty poster. Meanwhile the cop is on TV crying. No joke. Cops love it as long as it doesn't cut the other way.

Re:Recent Events in Erie (1)

Chapter80 (926879) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705571)

Here in Erie, PA, recently a cop was filmed off duty in a bar apparently mocking a homicide victim and his family in a rather obnoxious manner. Somebody put it on YouTube, and now the papers are reporting that the police are launching a "probe" to find the naughty poster. Meanwhile the cop is on TV crying. No joke. Cops love it as long as it doesn't cut the other way.

Ya probably don't want to link to it either [youtube.com] , or you could get into big trouble.

Forget about uploads ... (1)

Syncerus (213609) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705537)

What about downloads? Does this mean we can watch every crime ever filmed? That would beat the heck out of COPS.

Youtube better watch out.

Re:Forget about uploads ... (1)

An ominous Cow art (320322) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705895)

> Youtube better watch out.

Youtube better not cry,
Youtube better not pout,
I'm telling you why:
Crimetube COPS is coming to town.

Little Brother (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705569)

So what will happen to the system when the police are the subject of these videos? Should I be concerned with retaliation? Will submission be anonymous? Will this be an opportunity for the proverbial 'Little Brother' to force the police to see what they are doing? Or just a place for photo-shopped blackmail?

!TimeCube (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705625)

I read crime tube as Time Cube on the first pass.

But who watches the watchers? (1)

migla (1099771) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705627)

Aren't they going to make it illegal to film cops (or was that Germany or did I dream it?)? Do the cops get to solve two crimes if one uploads a video of a cop breaking the law?

Isn't this likely to get your phone seized? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705639)

This seems like a good way for your phone to end up as evidence instead of in your possession.

Bad Driver Camera? (0)

drewzhrodague (606182) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705665)

I've been wanting to put a camera in my car, and record people driving like drunken morons during my commute. I'd love to have a forum to post this kinda stuff, and even better if the police do something about it. Bug reports for the neighborhood. People need to be shamed into driving better. Or shot.

Missing tag: (1)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705697)

nationoffinks

Re:Missing tag: (1)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705991)

People like you are the reason crime is rampant.

RIP Orwell (1)

torvik (1518775) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705705)

You warned us this would happen.

Seinfeld and The Good Samaritan Law (1)

xquark (649804) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705755)

Does no one remember the trouble those guys go into in their last episode...?

tQaco (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27705931)

which gathers is b0sy infighting empire in decline, God, let's fucking achievements that the project is in Influence, the Fear the reaper Fastest-growing GAY

Lets be honest (1)

cwiegmann24 (1476667) | more than 5 years ago | (#27705985)

Do you think that Cops are on Youtube "doing research?" I mean really.

This is what makes America great (1)

dbc (135354) | more than 5 years ago | (#27706003)

In England, they've spent loads of taxpayer money to carpet the country with video cameras. Here in the good old US of A, we leverage the network effect by spying on each other. Much less cost to the taxpayer.

Hypocrisy in action (1)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 5 years ago | (#27706039)

Film a cop abusing his authority or breaking the law and post said film and one is a hero.
Film a criminal breaking the law and post said film and one is a fink, or snitch, or any of a dozen other insults.

Have you all forgotten

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Yet, you would have bystanders do nothing while crimes are committed, then you cry about the crime rate.

And who owms the copyrights...? (1)

bagofbeans (567926) | more than 5 years ago | (#27706087)

I bet the submitter releases all rights to the material as part of this deal. In a sense that's sorta ok, but if you don't own the rights anymore, you can't use the material to make a big fuss independently if the material is ignored.

I also bet that the rights are not grabbed is not the case if the material is from the press. 'cos the press are savvy are copyright.

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