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Mandrake 7.1 Released

CmdrTaco posted more than 13 years ago | from the no-relation-to-mandrake@mandrake.net dept.

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Frodo writes: "It seems that Mandrake 7.1 has started to appear on various mirror sites. No news on Mandrakes homepage so far." Update: 06/06 08:36 by CN : Alix from Linux-Mandrake just emailed me to tell me there's an official release note available now on their web site.

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Re:OT: +1 bonus moderation (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#1023596)

I, for one, mark all downward moderation of ACs as "unfair" in metamoderation. As far as I'm concerned, 0 is low enough, and if people don't like it uncensored, they should browse at 1 or above. Anyway, if there's anyone else like me, and you moderated ANY ACs down, that would explain your gradual karma loss.

Re:Mandrake Problems (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#1023597)

I had similar problems with an older CD ROM and I have read of others with problems too. There was a patch to fix it on the Mandrake site. If they are now releasing 7.1, I would assume the patch would be incorporated. At any rate, if you can't wait, check out the site. You have to boot with a floppy with the patch rather than try to boot from the CD. It worked for me.

Re:Why such a pain to upgrade? (1)

whoop (194) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023598)

Try loading the bootnet.img floppy image. With that you can either do a full install or uprgade. You will choose "Upgrade." Upgrading is essentially just looking at the list of rpms you have, looking at the list on the ftp site, and upgrading what's new.

Re:Why such a pain to upgrade? (1)

whoop (194) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023599)

... until it gets to the configuring stage. I've always had about 1 in 10 or so packages segfault while running the scripts there. Also, what is the criteria for holding packages back? Are they upgrades that are so incompatible they want you to remove the pack completely first (the only way I have found around it)?

Re:I don't think it's real (1)

whoop (194) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023600)

What?? Slashdot is in the business of making and being the first on news. You don't want LinuxToday to beat Slashdot now, do you?? Imagine what would happen if that were to occur. *shudder*

shame on you, where is mine !! (1)

mAIsE (548) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023601)

I love Mandrake. cant seem to find a ftp server.

Anyone find a ISO mirror?

Re:Why such a pain to upgrade? (1)

Big Jason (1556) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023602)

I subscribe to the idea that upgrades are junk on pretty much every type of operating system: AIX, HPUX, Linux, and even Windoze.

I've been burned in the past by failed upgrades, so I'd rather just backup my critical files (usually /etc and /home) to something safe and do a full-blown install. Sure its a hassle, but I don't have to worry about garbage that still may be lingering around from the previous release plus if something were to go wrong, I can do a reinstall with little worry.

The nice thing about AIX, BTW, is the ability to make a snapshot of the system (rootvg at least) and dump it to tape with mksysb. If for any reason the upgrade goes wrong (compatability reasons etc), boot off the tape and you are back in business. I sure wish Solaris and Linux had this.

Re:Information (Somewhat OT) (1)

seppy (2431) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023604)

Get a clue. Slashdot has been around for a long time, and a lot of the news deals with linux. Quit whining. This seems to be the overwhelming comment now.

Whine, whine, whine. "slashdot is news for nerds, I use xxxx OS, which rocks more than the pseudo Linux OS, put together by wannabees"

Nothing wrong with not liking the linux emphasis. However, show some respect for the people who put together a site that you enjoy. They happen to like linux, and have for a couple of years. I'm sure they're not the only nerd site on the web.

Re:Why such a pain to upgrade? (1)

osu-neko (2604) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023606)

Why are huge downloads necessary if you are just upgrading? Do I have to get on a bunch of mailin lists to figure out what is new and hunt down those files myself?

Err, is there something wrong with the "ls" command? Mandrake RPMs are named in such a way as to make it rather obvious which ones on 7.1 are newer than the ones from 7.0.

Not that this will help you avoid huge downloads. I believe nearly all of the 925MB worth of RPMs in Mandrake 7.1 are either brand new or newer versions than 7.0.

How would you suggest they make it easier to keep current?


OT: +1 bonus moderation (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023607)

Please be careful about moderating. Someone said my post was over-rated, and I get the feeling that was because I have an automatic +1.

That's what's supposed to happen. When you use the +1 bonus, you're effectively choosing to moderate yourself up and moderators who feel the comment doesn't deserve a +2 should knock it back down. The risk to your karma encourages you to reserve the bonus for cases where you feel you deserve the extra point.

It's in the FAQ. I'd post a link but I'm in a rush to get home before I miss another period of the Devils-Stars game...

Going back to ones roots. (OT) (1)

Chris Hiner (4273) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023608)

I tried to go back to the distribution I started with to go back to my roots... But I can't find an updated copy of SLS anyplace... (Actually, I can't even find an original copy of SLS anymore...) I want to see if I can make 0.99.5 run on a newer machine. Anyone have a mirror? My floppies are long since deceased.

Re:What's New in Mandrake 7.1 (1)

FORTYoz (5393) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023609)

Works fine in XF4, but quite slower then XF3. (3D mode anyway)

Uhhh.. (1)

Signal 11 (7608) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023612)

You know, there's a reason they don't publish stuff like that on their homepage. There's this thing called "mirroring" that can't happen if the primary site gets slashdotted. Secondly, it is completely irresponsible to post a link to a directory that may not even be fully populated and ready for download. Anyone remember the Service Pack 6 fiasco?

Pull the story guys.

That's what they did. (1)

leonbrooks (8043) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023613)

There is no announcement yet.

Perhaps they shuld use a truly private directory on the mirrows, then mv it across on the third stroke.

Prepare TWO blank CDs and write yourself a full Cooker. It's worth it.

If it were more stable you could smell the hay (1)

leonbrooks (8043) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023614)

XFree86 v4 works better, faster and cheaper (less CPU cycles) on my Banshee, S3 (hawk, spit) and SiS6326 (hawk, spit) cards than 3.3.6 (Mandrake 7.0) ever did (not that it ever crashed, but, for example, I can now run the SiS with all acceleration on and bzflag works in a window in realtime), although I had to muck around with the config to make my Banshee happy.

It has up-to-date patched (black-hats nick off) versions of the network stuff. And lots of new toys. Lots of stuff fixed besides the installer.

xkobo works, but (especially in double-size mode) schlurps up *heaps* of X resources, really needs rewriting.

XFree86 V4.0 and Voodoo (1)

leonbrooks (8043) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023615)

This is being typed from Netscape on my Banshee, which uses the same drivers as the Voodoo3. My (Banshee, crappy monitor) config is at http://firestation.fdns.net/~leonb/XF86Config-4

The config as installed did not work. I did XFree86 -configure as root and edited the /root/XF86Config.new file from there, testing with XFree86 -xf86config /root/XF86Config.new (which the -configure option tells you to do). When I was satsfied wit my changes, I cp'ed it over the top of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, made it world-readable and all was well.

...and... (possibly IMPORTANT footnote!) (1)

leonbrooks (8043) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023616)

Forgot to mention (don't know of this helped), I downloaded the latest drivers from http://linux.3dfx.com/ (if you want to rebuild from source, you save about 17MB of download, ie about halve it, but need about 400MB free on /usr/src/ and several hours (K6-II-300+64M)).

My Sony DSC-F505 worked on 2.3.99pre6 (1)

leonbrooks (8043) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023617)

I haven't tried a 4.0preX kernel yet. There's a few things that you need to get besides the later kernel (which is absolutely necessary for the Sony camera).

Searching for the page again now...

Re:What's New in Mandrake 7.1 (1)

bbcat (8314) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023619)

And Netscape crashes faster than it did on 7.0
As a matter a fact it crashes right away if
ran as a user in 7.1

It works fine under SuSE.

Re:weirdest install concept i've ever heard of (1)

Speed Racer (9074) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023620)

Later, when it starts to rain, you find that you've only got a windshield wiper on the passenger side. So, you pull over to the side of the road, and discover that there's no hazard lights either. Hey! There aren't any lights on this car at all! Luckily, brakes seem to have made the cut.... hope the airbags are there....

Funny but not quite applicable. How difficult would it be to pull out the CD again and install the specific app that you need? Compare that to trying to get an airbag retrofitted on a car.

Re:D'oh! (1)

Vskye (9079) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023621)

Getting the "lastest" version prior to a new release within a few days via a d/l sucks, but how about my timing on purchasing OpenBSD 2.6 and *2* days later they release 2.7! Ugh...., and then to top it off, they still send me 2.6. Life sucks.
But I still like it. ;)

Re:shame on you, where is mine !! (1)

Kyobu (12511) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023623)

Oh right. Sorry. I just wasted an hour getting half of 7.0, which is what I'm running. Slick. :-)

Re:Why such a pain to upgrade? (1)

swb (14022) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023626)

and I thought

# cd /usr/src
# cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile
# make buildworld
# make installworld

was easy.

Re:Information (Somewhat OT) (1)

swb (14022) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023627)

Bah, he kind of has a point. Slashdot is something of a Linux ghetto, and who can keep track of the zillion and "MeToo Linux" distros?

Small correction :) (1)

DaKrushr (16560) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023629)

Argh... that's why I should preview :).

apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade are separate commands, in case you couldn't figure that out :).

Re:Why Install? (1)

bridnour (17426) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023633)

And for those who will be using the graphical installer...
It appears that they've listened to at least some of the feedback and have really improved their installer. (Especially in the area of package selection.)

Re:About the /. effect. (1)

Tardigrade (17769) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023634)

Good old days? I quote from a newspaper article about Lincon's death: "Details unclear. There is much confusion here."

It rhymes! I envy that reporter for that statement. I'd almost bet that that rhyme is a major reason the reporter wrote that article.

Re:OT: +1 bonus moderation (1)

Tower (37395) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023645)

Yes - the default should be 1 instead of two... it doesn't seem to matter too much to some, though...

The other 'problem' is the loss of massive amounts of karma after moderating. I mod'd last week, and since then I've magically lost a number of points each of the last few days...

Others have experienced this, too...

Re:D'oh! (1)

m3000 (46427) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023647)

I feel your pain. I just finished installing 7.0 today, after I upgraded from 6.1. All well, with a cable modem, it won't be too bad.

They didn't post a link. (1)

prodeje (58779) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023650)

They say it has started to appear on some mirrors (which does not equate to say go fetch it from the main site). As long as you got your +2 insightful eh Bojay?

Re:im very g;lad (1)

prodeje (58779) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023651)

Perhaps this should be moderated down as there is no such thing as a 696 computer, nor Mandrake 4.5 (started at 5.2).

Re:OT: responsible journalism (1)

be-fan (61476) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023653)

To tell the truth, I would rather have the news system that is hunky dory and polite. In my opinion, to many idealistic jackasses have made a mockery of the concept that "people deserve the news NOW." I think striving to deliver the truth, (or in this case not making an annoyance of yourself to mirror sites) is more important than getting the "scoop" on something. Slashdot has a lot of power. They cannot act like a small site does and post things without some forsight.

Re:What's New in Mandrake 7.1 (1)

NShade (61868) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023655)

Wow. I've been dual-booting Redhat 6.0 with Windows 2000 -- I want to expand my horizons beyond just Windows stuff -- and I've been pretty happy with it.

I'd been planning to upgrade to Mandrake when kernel 2.4 was released -- now it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to hold out that long. :) Guess it's time to visit cheapbytes...

Out of curiosity (and slightly off topic, sorry), anyone know how hard it is to set up a voodoo3 with XFree 4? A friend of mine is running SuSe 6.4 on a Voodoo Banshee and wasn't able to get XFree 4 working with it at all.

And if they had waited??? (offtopic) (1)

SvnLyrBrto (62138) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023656)

You know exactly what would happen.

An entire different set of people would be bitching about how "this is *such* old news, Slashdot is so far behind, LinuxNews posted that X(random amount of time) ago".

It's a no-win situation. Post news early, and people will complain about the site being slashdotted. Wait, and people will complain about how you're not "cutting edge" anymore and how "behind the times" you are.

So whaddaya gonna do?


KDE=gnome quite nicely (1)

Shook (75517) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023665)

I like Mandrake because I think it has such a great implementation of every environment. The make sure to put apps in the start menu/root menu equivalent of every window manager and desktop, with plenty of themes, etc. for all. For some reason, gnome under mandrake seems more polished than Gnome to me.
Guess I'll download it late tonight. Don't want to suck the bandwith from the rest of the people in my house just yet. :-)

Re:D'oh! (1)

Tsujigiri (77400) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023666)

Couldn't these distributors give some prior warning?

(Good natured sarcasm follows)
Wasn't the fact that they've had a beta version out for a couple of months a bit of a clue?

New USB stuff (1)

Oscarfish (85437) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023667)

I would like to get the 3Com PC Digital Camera (USB) working under Linux. I've tried the latest versions of Red Hat and Mandrake, both with original kernels and the latest 2.4.0-test one. No luck yet.

Maybe 7.1 will work? Any ideas/successess/failures you'd like to share? Thanks.

Mandrake Problems (1)

linuxonceleron (87032) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023668)

I tried to install the ISO of Mandrake 7.0, It began to install, but couldn't read the CDROM afterwords. I'm using a SCSI Pioneer DVD-ROM on a Diamond Fireport 20. It boots the CD and all, but it can't read any of the RPMs to install, I don't think its mounting the disc correctly. I'll have to have my friend burn a 7.1 ISO for me to try out. Anyone else have problems with SCSI DVD/CD ROMs and Mandrake's installer?

There's no link ! (1)

Money__ (87045) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023669)

Mandrake 7.1 Released [slashdot.org] Posted by CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] on 05:55 PM -- Monday June 05 2000
from the no-relation-to-mandrake@mandrake.net dept.
Frodo writes: "It seems that Mandrake 7.1 has started to appear on various mirror sites. No news on Mandrakes homepage so far."

Where's the link?

If I'm walking down the street and tell you that you can get a great philly cheese steak in town, am I to blame when the local delli gets overwhelmed with requests?

Re:Why RedHat? (1)

jschauma (90259) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023671)

The RedHat installation as far as I can tell is not that different from any other menu based installation. And their addition of Disk Druid might be a step up from fdisk (depending on who you talk to) but really isn't all that different from cfdisk.

Just today I installed Mandrake 7.0 for the first time on a system at work. It has a kick-ass graphical installer, IMHO. The partitions-tool is really helpful, I think, if you click on "auto-configure" (or something along the line), it "suggests" partition-sizes, which you can then, of course, change to your liking. You can go back and forth in the installation menu as you like, and I personally even like the colors. ;-)
Now I don't know in how far this graphical installer is related to the rpm-package-system, but it was the easiest install I ever did. And please consider that it was a dual boot with WinNT (though I already had two sufficiently sizes partitions and just had to move some stuff around), and I was done installing the entire system in 45 minutes. Go Mandrake! :)


Re:Information (Somewhat OT) (1)

madpuppy (96129) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023675)

Mandrake is NOT another "METOO Linux" distro, if you knew anything about Linux you would know that.

Re:Why Install? (1)

dragonfly_blue (101697) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023676)

I always thought their graphical install wizard was pretty good, on par with the Red Hat and Caldera at least.

Was there any part in particular you didn't like?

Re:ABit Motherboard ATA-66 Compatibility? (1)

Laven (102436) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023678)

You do not have to move cables inside your computer to install Linux. The HPT-366 controller has a backwards compatibility option to run in UltraDMA/33 mode.

You can feed kernel boot parameters from lilo as described in the document here [linuxdoc.org] . The workaround for the Promise Ultra33 card works for booting the HPT-366 controller in Ultra33 mode.


webmistress_amanda (106067) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023681)

TROLL: I guess it takes one to know one...

That seemed like a pretty valid question to me. But then I'm just now getting away from Windoze, so I guess that makes me a troll too?!?!?

Re:shame on you, where is mine !! (1)

Sadfsdaf (106536) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023682)

Silly you! both cd's of mandrake 7.1 aren't done uploading yet at the time of this post!

I don't think it's real (1)

MusashiDragon (117779) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023687)

On the Mandrake-devel email list today, somebody said that if all goes well it'll be released later this week. But even if it *is* coming out right now, Slashdot should really wait until the official annoucement. Remember the last Gnome / Helix fiasco? Slashdot, *please* wait until mirrors are ready. Otherwise you're going to get a lot of people angry with you.

Re:Information (Somewhat OT) (1)

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(OT: +1) Should be a popup. (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023690)

I'd make it a popup menu like Scoop Engine (found on Kuro5hin) does:

Post as
  • yerricde (Score:2)
  • yerricde (Score:1)
  • Anonymous Coward (Score:0)

Re:About the /. effect. (1)

IO ERROR (128968) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023693)

What, and let Kuro5hin get the story out first? There is also a thing in journalism called "the scoop."

In any case the couple of hours this story probably sat in the queue is more than enough to get a couple of gigs out to a few mirror sites [linux-mandrake.com] . (It seems Mandrake only has two mirror sites; this one [sunsite.uio.no] and this one [sunet.se] ).

SPARC "support" (1)

BrianUofR (143023) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023694)

Mandrake rocks. I like it. I installed 7.0 beta on the old Sun Ultra 1. It worked. Kind of. About 1/4 of the extras (other than kernel,sh-utils, etc.) were INTEL binaries. Mandrake has found a new level of "beta-ness". Does anyone know if that's fixed in this release?

Re:There's no link ! (1)

jrcamp (150032) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023697)

Let me quote the story heading:

Mandrake 7.1 Released

The story then says that there is no official announcement on the Mandrake webpage. So, obviously, it hasn't be released, and thus this story should not have been posted yet.

Re:Information (Somewhat OT) (1)

grue23 (158136) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023699)

Oh yeah, I'm surprised I forgot that one. It has the coolest name. Although 'Debian' is kind of catchy, too.

Re:Personally I'm going to skip this version (1)

SquadBoy (167263) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023701)

This is kind of off topic while I like Mandrake on my desktop and plan to grab 7.1 in a few days. (Most likely order from cheapbytes) I like Redhat better on my servers. Anybody hear any rumors about when 7.0 will be out?

Re:No news on website. (1)

brank (167549) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023703)

Actually, you make a good point. One of the very few things I don't like about slack is the KDE default. But I just installed the new gnome from the -current. I've tried RedHat, but it just felt too wierd to an old bsd holdover like me.

Re:Why update? (1)

brank (167549) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023704)

Hey... I just noticed that one of the "new features" they're advertising for 7.1 is ReiserFS, now appearing on /.!

D'oh! (1)

mu_cow (168630) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023706)

As I speak my CD burner is 40% through writing Mandrake 7.0. Why do I have such impecably bad timing? Oh well, I suppose I have another beer mat now.

Couldn't these distributors give some prior warning? They could privately send out the distro to mirror sites first if they are worried about flooding at release.

Re:Uhhh.. (1)

faeryman (191366) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023710)

oh signal11,,, i hate you!

this one time at work a few days ago, my boss asked me why i was laughing...i was reading /. and was like 'SIGNAL 11, NAKED AND PETRIFIED!' since i read that in a comment.

he said 'oh faeryman, i still see you have your daily glue sniffing habit' and walked off.

so damn you Signal11, my boss thinks im a druggie thanks to you! ive been glue free for over 13 days now.


Mandrake 7.1 (beta) Did a little digging! (1)

mamiller (197012) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023718)

found this link after going to several mirrors. http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/hydrobeta.php3

Re:Why RedHat? (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#1023721)

Mandrake was born out of the controversy concerning the QT license originally used with KDE. At the time RedHat and alot of mainstream distro's refused to include KDE because it wasn't GPL compatible. Mandrake came about because some of us didn't really care about the QT license at all and we "liked" KDE, so they basically took their distro of choice, included KDE with it and then repackaged/sold it as Linux-Mandrake. Mandrake 5.x-6.0 were really nothing more than RH with KDE, from that point they started some of their own development projects and even took an active role in letting their userbase help develop the upcoming distro's (Cooker). Now while it remains 99.9% fully compatible with RH, Mandrake is a true distro of it's own right, and a damn fine one at that.

Mandrake 7.1 (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#1023722)

What's New: RiserFS XFree 4.0 Installer has been slickified even more. Problems: This is the same iso as the BETA3. After the Beta 3 was released there were still bug reports on the cooker (Development) list about: Voodoo 3 problems. ATA 66 Hard Drives working correctly. Some mail server configuration issues. Other than that it's a slick ass distro. (Typing this message from 7.1B3 install right now.)

Quick, make new ads! (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#1023723)

On the front page of /. when I first saw the 7.1 announcement, I got this banner ad [slashdot.org] for Mandrake 7.0. :)

Re:weirdest install concept i've ever heard of (2)

mattdm (1931) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023725)

Thanks for the info. I think that confirms my point -- namely, the importance of a package is arbitrarily selected by Mandrake.

This slider concept might make sense within highly focused areas ("C Development") or perhaps even within broader use-for-machine categories ("Graphics Workstation") but it's difficult to the point of impossible for a whole Linux distro. How important are the following packages: bind, gimp, emacs, lsof, apmd, pump/dhcpcd?


Re:weirdest install concept i've ever heard of (2)

mattdm (1931) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023726)

I don't think this is user-friendly at all. It might appear so on the surface, but it leaves the user with no concept of what might be installed on their system, leading to long term confusion.

Imagine if this feature were available when buying a car:

Sales system: "100%: Car costs $16,000".
You: "Oh my, I can't afford that. Let's slide
the bar down to 50%."

Later, when it starts to rain, you find that you've only got a windshield wiper on the passenger side. So, you pull over to the side of the road, and discover that there's no hazard lights either. Hey! There aren't any lights on this car at all! Luckily, brakes seem to have made the cut.... hope the airbags are there....


New stuff in Mandrake 7.1 (2)

leonbrooks (8043) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023727)

ALSA. *3* IDEs. Roxen. XFree86 V4. SDL and some apps for it. Updated PySol (now over 300 games). QT-2. Eterm on the KDE menus (which are all much better organised). ixterm. Gphoto. Roby. ocaml. oscope. QCAD. Lotsa other stuff.

Still on GIMP 1.0.4 though, would like to see that updated.

Well into two CDs' worth in Cooker now, makes over 2G in /usr when installed. "Praise the Lord for fat uplinks!" (-:

Re:Why such a pain to upgrade? (2)

DaKrushr (16560) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023728)

If you want ease of upgrading, use Debian [debian.org] . Apt is really nifty. Here's an example of how to completely (well, except for your kernel :) upgrade your system to the latest development version:

Change all occurrences of 'stable' to 'unstable' in /etc/apt/sources.list (it doesn't mean it will crash, it means that things are constantly being updated). Only have to do this once. apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade

and sit back and watch the magic :).

Re:What's New in Mandrake 7.1 (2)

breser (16790) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023729)

Hopefully they included the numerous updates for security that they've been doing as of late. And also fixed the slightly broken install of PostFix. There was something else that was broken but I can't remember what else I had to fix.

Re:weirdest install concept i've ever heard of (2)

breser (16790) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023730)

If you choose the expert install option then it allows you to choose exactly the packages you want to install. The Customized option allows you a little less flexibility in what you want install, but insulates the inexperienced user from what might be a very confusing experience. The Recommended option is even more limited.

Re:weirdest install concept i've ever heard of (2)

frantzdb (22281) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023732)

But it is a good idea. If you are a new user and don't have the space for everything then you can install as much as you have space for and not need to know what you need. It's a tradeoff but it could be very useful.


Re:OT: +1 bonus moderation (2)

be-fan (61476) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023735)

Oh, I get it. They should put that on the moderation, or make 1 the default instead of 2.

Re:Information (Somewhat OT) - Mandrake (2)

Seth Finkelstein (90154) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023737)

Mandrake is a distribution of Linux, sort of like RedHat, but with certain improvements. One of the best is that they compile EVERYTHING for Pentium or better processors. They have also put a lot of thought into hardware detection and a simple installation process.

I recommend it.

Re:No news on website. (2)

b_pretender (105284) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023738)

I used the beta version for little over a month before weird stuff started happening. One day I logged on and noticed that my computer was only recognizing 64 MB, I couldn't get ftpd working ever again, and mpg123 (via gqmpeg) failed to ever work again.

Instead of solving these three 'minor' problems, I just said, "screw the beta-version!" and went with the newest RedHat. I've always been partial to gnome anyway and installing a new distro is easier then figuring what was wrong with all that stuff.

I know that both RedHat and Mandrake offer gnome and KDE, but you gotta stick with your roots man.
...and your roots say...


Personally I'm going to skip this version (2)

Jasa (125516) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023739)

I upgraded from 6.1 to 7.0 and found that 7.0 was even more stable. Somethings that used to crash misteriously didn't anymore, but a number of applications just wouldn't start up under 7.0 and it took me a lot of mucking around to fix it. I still haven't got xkobo to work and that one of my favorite games. I read up on what new in 7.1 and it's mainly improvements to the install program (like I really need that when I've already installed it). The other thing it includes is a Beta of KDE version 2.0 personaly I am going to wait until KDE 2.0 is released properly and then get the version of Mandrake which includes that.

Re:About the /. effect. (2)

IO ERROR (128968) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023740)

(It seems Mandrake only has two mirror sites; this one [sunsite.uio.no] and this one [sunet.se] ).

Oops, my mistake. Those are the sites mirrors are supposed to mirror from. The official list of mirror sites is here [linux-mandrake.com] .

ABit Motherboard ATA-66 Compatibility? (2)

Rahoule (144525) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023741)

ATA66 hard drives working correctly.

Hey, that's great news! Finally, a Linux distribution that's easily available and is compatible with my computer's hardware. My computer has an ABit BE6 motherboard with four IDE buses: two ATA-66 and two ATA-33. The ATA-66 buses are controlled by an onboard HPT366 controller (by High Point Technologies). The ATA-33 buses work just like the two IDE buses in most "normal" PCs. I have five IDE peripherals, so I can't just use one set of buses. My main hard drive is ATA-66-compatible and is very fast, so it's a shame not to use that capability. Most versions of Linux can only "see" the ATA-33 buses.

I bought Corel Linux version 1.0 but couldn't install or use it except on the two ATA-33 buses on my motherboard. Unfortunately, all my non-hard-drive IDE peripherals (interal Zip drive, CD burner, etc.) are normally connected to the ATA-33 buses, so I had to mess around with the connections inside. It really sucks to have to have to mess around with the innards of my computer to switch between Windows and Linux. (I would have gotten ABit's Gentus Linux, but I don't have time to download a huge 650-meg CD image and anyway, I heard that the licence agreement with Gentus Linux violates the GPL (is this true?).)

So, has anyone tried installing Mandrake 7.1 on an ABit motherboard with peripherals on both the ATA-66 and ATA-33 buses? How did it go?

Er, hang on... The Anonymous Coward just said ATA-66 hard drives work, not necessarily the ABit motherboard... Well, still... Does it work with ABit?

I'm tired of using Windows98 all the time... I hope Mandrake will be my saviour...

Information (Somewhat OT) (2)

grue23 (158136) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023742)

Could you /. article posters put a little more information in about Linux topics? I personally use Solaris as my work and home UNIX environment, and don't know what the hell some of these Linux specific things are.

Just a little line like 'Mandrake is a package of the Linux environment that is geared towards friendly home and office use, see www.mandrake.org for details.' would be real nice for a change.

/. is supposed to be news for nerds, not news for Linux-only nerds. :-) Many of us non-Linux geeks will recognize things like Red Hat, Debian, and sometimes Suse, but that is generally the extent.

Why such a pain to upgrade? (2)

Pinball Wizard (161942) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023743)

I originally bought Mandrake 6.5. When I upgraded to 7, I tried to find just the update on Mandrake's site but could not. So I ended up buying a whole new set of CD's. I would have rather just downloaded the new stuff and installed that, even if it was more complicated, just to avoid having to push 600 MB of files around.

I took another look at Mandrake's site now, and in their download area, it clearly states You must at least download the "Mandrake/" and "images/" trees from the "7.0/" directory. It's about 600 Mb.

Why are huge downloads necessary if you are just upgrading? Do I have to get on a bunch of mailing lists to figure out what is new and hunt down those files myself?

Its a nice system, but they should make it easier to keep current.

Re:Why update? (2)

brank (167549) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023744)

They've added Helix stuff, a new QT, XF86 4.0, new versions of the Mandrake tools (DiskDrake, etc.), and better hardware support. Still not enough to make me switch from Slackware. According to P.V., they're getting ready to start testing for a release.

Re:About the /. effect. (2)

brank (167549) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023745)

Good old days? I quote from a newspaper article about Lincon's death: "Details unclear. There is much confusion here."

Thing is, the good old days weren't. There has always been ambition on the part of the media to get the best scoop. Always will be. /. is no different. We have a few hundred thousand free software afficandos looking for a data rush or whatever, so /. gives them a chance to get at what they want.

This is no worse than crowds of people flocking around a paperboy who is crying, "Extra! Extra!" It isn't just /., it's just that /. has a larger audience than many sites, so the effect is much more visible. Watch the usage on kernel.org whenever some rumor drifts across the digital wind. While there is something to be said about letting mirrors "gear up", you can always set it up so that the mirror gets priority access to the new version over the anon logins.

/. provides a service: it gives the people what they want when they want it. In this case, "the people" want a peek at the latest software, and /. tells they when they hear it coming.

Re:Uhhh.. (2)

sillysally (193936) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023746)

why is it more irresponsible than for mirror sites to allow downloading of incomplete distros? It's human nature to want to grab as soon as possible. There are any number of simple ways that the high priests could hide the mirrors till they are ready. convincing a small number of high priests should be a lot simpler than reeducating tens of thousands of new downloaders... I plan to grab it just as soon as I can.


Why RedHat? (2)

afay@ultranet.com (196287) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023747)

Does anyone have any *good* reasons why so many distributions (such as Mandrake) use RedHat as a base? As I see it, there are two ways that RedHat differentiates itself from other distros: package management and installation (both of which are closely related).

The RedHat installation as far as I can tell is not that different from any other menu based installation. And their addition of Disk Druid might be a step up from fdisk (depending on who you talk to) but really isn't all that different from cfdisk.

As for package management, I have used rpm (.rpm files), dpkg (.deb files), and .tgz (slackware) packages. rpm and dpkg clearly beat .tgz files in terms of ease of install/uninstall and dependencies but I really think that dpkg is superior to rpm (my main reason being better dependencies and that nice update checking feature).

So, basically if the RedHat installer is nothing that great and dpkg beats rpm why do so many distros (Mandrake being the most mainstream) copy RedHat? And if you don't believe me, go to any distro list and see how many are based on RedHat.

By the way, I realize that two of the more recent distros have been based on debian (Storm and Corel).

Re:weirdest install concept i've ever heard of (3)

mattdm (1931) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023748)

My feeling is that users who are able to pull out the CD and install specific apps (including resolving dependencies) are not the ones who would be intimidated by selecting packages (or broad groups thereof).

Another way when my analogy fails is that most people know enough about what should be in an automobile to notice if the windshield wipers are gone. But what if the selector decides not to install something less obvious -- a timing chip, or some sensor or another? ("It's just a tiny little sensor; it can't be very important.")

And it's not just about critical things. A new user who is too intimidated to go through lists of packages is likely to learn what's available by looking through the application menus, or maybe by typing (at the advice of a friend) "ls /usr/bin". The people whom this is supposed to help are going to be more lost later, because it'll be harder for them to know what they could have. I learned a lot about Linux during my first few installs by reading the descriptions of every package that I didn't immediately recognize. Sure, it took more time, but it was worth it -- ultimately reducing the learning curve.

Not knowing what's on the system also makes the job harder for the people who have to support the machine. This is part of why Red Hat's base component set is so large.


Pioneer sucks (3)

RelliK (4466) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023749)

I had a Pioneer 24x cdrom and I had major problems with it. Not only did any distribution not read the CD during the installation, it wouldn't even boot off of the CD! (btw, win98 wouldn't boot off of it either). I also had lots of problems with it just reading stuff from it. It often made the system unstable and caused all kinds of other intresting problems.

Later on I found out that this is typical of *all* Pioneer cdroms. It is well documented in the Linux kernel documentation. Apparently Pioneer cdroms violate the ATAPI protocol somehow which makes them very unreliable. They still work with windoze because it does not try to multitask them. I got rid of this piece of crap a long time ago, bought a 32x Creative and never had problems since. I don't know if their DVD-roms or SCSI cdroms have similar problems, but I am definitely never buying any more Pioneer crap -- one was enough for me.


Re:weirdest install concept i've ever heard of (3)

m3000 (46427) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023750)

On the Mandrake Newbie mailing list this was discussed. Here's what one of the Mandrake people said about it:

Re: [newbie] DISCUSSION: My first Suggestion (Installer Problem)Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:00:23 +0200 (CEST)
From: Denis HAVLIK
To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com
Reply to: newbie@linux-mandrake.com

:~>Here is my first input:
:~>The install program is very slick. However at one point in the install,
:~>after you have partitioned the drive you are shown a slider bar and asked
:~>to pick how much software you want to install. (you choose the amount of
:~>megabytes to install). I find this very confusing. If i pick 800mb what
:~>is being installed? Am I getting all the packages I need??

Here is what happens: We have a list of packages with their "value". Very
valuable packages have number asociated with them which is close to 100,
while "junk" packages have a number close to 0 (well, junk packages do not
make it into the distro, but you get the picture)

When you move the slider to left, you efectively "raise the bar", so that
packages with lower "priority" drop out of the selection.

Personally, I think this is a great way to make a compromyse between
having some controle over instalation and not having to browse trough
1000+ packages at install (horror!)

What we miss at the moment is a tool which would use a symilar logic to
help you install|uninstall packages on already installed system, but Pixel
is working on it right now.

------------------------------------------------ -----
Dr. Denis Havlik
Mandrakesoft ||| e-mail: denis@mandrakesoft.com
Quality Assurance (@ @) (private: denis@havlik.org)
-------------------oOO--(_)--OOo---------------- -----

Re:No news on website. (3)

be-fan (61476) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023751)

Actually, not anymore. Mandrake 7.0+ has branched off RedHat, and 7.1 is QUITE a bit different from Redhat. (It has ReiserFS, it has XFree 4.0, and the other packages are up to date.)

weirdest install concept i've ever heard of (4)

mattdm (1931) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023753)

The beta had an extremely strange user interface concept in its installer. After you were done selecting packages, you were given a dialog box with a slider: "Installing 100% of the packages will take N MB". Changing the slider lowered the percentage of packages to be installed based on their (arbitrarily selected by Mandrake?) relative "importance". So if it were going to take 1.5GB to install everything, but you only had 750MB, you could drag the slider down to 50%.

It's a very interesting idea, but I'm pretty sure it's not a good one! Has this made it to the final release?


You almost have a point.. (4)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023754)

Except... from an idealistic technical point of view, (as in, how we did it in the old days) you found things by watching ftp sites...
so.. if mandrake 7.1 is appearing on mirrors, and you want to bitch about people announcing this fact before mandrake does...
if mandrake or the mandrake mirror community cared, they would have a different way of mirroring things, whereby you couldn't actually see things until the transfer is complete.

Oh.. and as for /.ing it... I bet a lot of people don't rush out to download mandrake 7.1 immediately....

About the /. effect. (4)

be-fan (61476) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023755)

People who think that /. has every right to post messages before people have a time to mirror piss me off. There is a thing in this country called "responsible journalism." Since the journalistic community these days is in such a rut, I'm not surprised that most of you haven't heard about it. In traditional media, responsible journalism takes the form of corroberating your evidence to make absolutely sure that you're giving the correct news. Until recently, all respectable establishments did this. Those that didn't are called tabloids. Because of their rush to get the dirt, tabloids often post too early about a story. If it turns out to be true, then the tabloids will often have the news before any of the papers, but if it is false, then it ultimately hurts those that the story is about. In the new electronic media, journalistic responsibility has to extend to thinking about the ability of servers to take an increased hit before they are ready. It is analagous to allowing a defendant to prepare his case before the prosecution starts. In the good old days, the media had responsibility. They would rarely post a news story about, say, a president before he had made a public statement about the situation. The rumors and such were left to the tabloids. This situation is similar. You don't attack somebody (the /. effect is certainly an attack, though unintentional) before you give them a chance to prepare. It is just not decent. /. posting new files before the mirrors have a chance to gear up is not just impolite (or I'm I just a dinosaur and curtousy is passe?) it is also detrimental to the community, which wants to be able to download the software.

Number of Linux Distributions Surpasses Number of (5)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#1023756)

Number of Linux Distributions Surpasses Number of Users

Somewhere in California - At 8:30 PDT with the release of Snoopy Linux 2.1 and Goober Linux 1.0, the number of Linux distributions finally surpassed the number of actual Linux users.
"We've been expecting it for some time," Merrill Lynch technology analyst Tom Shayes said, "but this is a little sooner than most expected. We've seen explosive growth in the number of Linux distributions, in fact my nephew just put out Little Tommy Linux 1.1 last week."

Long time Linux guru Bob Tallman said, "This is great for the open source movement. I have 7 different versions installed on my computer at home. Some guys I know have over 30."

Microsoft CEO, Steve Ballmer said, "Microsoft will have to play catch up with the number of versions that Linux has, but we think we can do it. With the break up of Microsoft imminent that will instantly double the number of Windows versions available."

Microsoft also announced the release of Pocket PC for Workgroups, Windows GT special edition and Windows 2000 - the Director's Cut with special code added by Bill Gates himself that wasn't in the original release.


What's New in Mandrake 7.1 (5)

QBasic_Dude (196998) | more than 13 years ago | (#1023757)

  • i810 based video cards now supported
  • Wheel mouse is now fully functionnal with most applications (netscape, gnome, KDE, etc.)
  • Better powersaving support on Laptop computers
  • Enhanced USB support for modems, printers, Zip drives
  • Better symmetrical multi processing support
  • All Helix Code GNOME improvements incorporated
  • Enhanced default settings for GNOME & KDE environments
  • Modified Qt library (foundation of KDE applications) supporting Chinese, Korean, Japanese
  • New menu system. Menus look now the same under every graphical environments and updates automatically when new packages are installed.
  • System organization benefits from reordered packages in coherent groups, usable by most package-management tools, including RpmDrake.
  • DrakBoot allows for easy graphical configuration of boot loader (lilo and grub)
  • DrakBootdisk, a new graphical boot-floppy creation tool.
  • PrinterDrake (printer configuration) now supports more printer types and options.
  • DrakX now fully handles multiple-CD installation.
  • Linux4Win now runs automatically when CDROM is inserted under Windows (autorun)
  • DrakX user interface has been improved to ease installation : User can now choose an icon representing his/her user under Linux-Mandrake, more powerfull packages selection options, etc.
  • Installation can now detect high resolution video modes and use them during install
  • Urpmi, the text-mode rpm tool now handles local rpm installation.
  • If Windows is present on the computer, DrakFont gives the user access to his Windows fonts under Linux.
  • Distribution is now shipped with a fully functionnal rescue floppy.
  • Grub is now supported as the default bootloader, no more 1024-cylinder limit.
  • Now includes brand new XFree 4.0 servers, with new modular architecture.
  • For professional environments, the new journalized file system ReiserFS is included
  • Main distribution is now on 2 CDROMs, the second one also including contribs.
  • Koffice and QT2 beta now available in contribs.
  • GnuCash, personal finance manager, now included.

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