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Apple May Bring a Non-iPhone To Verizon Wireless

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the media-pad dept.

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The Narrative Fallacy writes "According to BusinessWeek, Verizon Wireless is in talks with Apple to distribute two new iPhone-like devices that are not iPhones. (Apple has created prototypes.) AT&T's contract with Apple, which has not been made public, is believed to cover all models of the iPhone, but only the iPhone. So if Apple builds something that isn't an iPhone — and perhaps doesn't even make cellular calls — they won't be violating their exclusivity contract with AT&T, which runs through at least 2010. One device is a smaller, less expensive calling device described by a person who has seen it as an 'iPhone lite.' The other is a media pad, said to be smaller than a Kindle but with a bigger screen, that would let users listen to music, view photos, watch high-definition videos, and make calls over a Wi-Fi connection. (And read books?) Apple could use the prospect of an iPhone-esque device as leverage to prevent Verizon Wireless from introducing the Palm Pre, or at least to delay its introduction on Verizon's network. 'The media pad category might go to Verizon,' said one person who has seen the device. 'We are talking about a device where people will say, "Damn, why didn't we do this?" Apple is probably going to define the damn category.'" Reader stevegee58 writes with word that Verizon may be playing both ends against the middle. Marketwatch reports that Microsoft and Verizon are in talks to develop a touch-screen mobile phone that would run on Windows Mobile.

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Question (1, Insightful)

arizwebfoot (1228544) | more than 5 years ago | (#27751721)

T&T's contract with Apple, which has not been made public, is believed to cover all models of the iPhone, but only the iPhone.

I don't mean to be nit-pickey, but somehow, the meaning got lost in the translation.

Re:Question (1)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#27751763)

I think they are saying the contract forbids them to sell iPhones to TMobile, but they can create a phone (or maybe just a non-phone device) and sell it to TMobile.

Re:Question (1)

TinFoilMan (1371973) | more than 5 years ago | (#27751803)

is believed to cover all models of the iPhone, but only the iPhone

I see what you mean.

THIS makes sense (5, Insightful)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752429)

The back story here is that verizon is switching away from CDMA. they are expected however to maintain CDMA for voice and phase in the new network for data. Apple has said they are not eager to develop for CDMA since it has no future.

So if apple came out with a data device, say a netbook, for verizon it could run on the new network and not bother with CDMA.

makes total sense.

Re:THIS makes sense (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753575)

You know, those two devices described in the article don't sound half bad. A Kindle that can make Wi-Fi calls?

I'm in.

Re:THIS makes sense (3, Informative)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753707)

In an attempt to keep things exciting, most 3g technologies use a CDMA (or W-CDMA) carrier.

Still two different devices. (1)

rockNme2349 (1414329) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753709)

I thought the point was that apple did not want to develop two different models of their products for different networks. Wouldn't making a separate "iPhone" for verizon pretty much amount to the same thing?

Re:Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27753183)

I don't mean to be be nit-pickey, but your post entitled "Question" didn't ask a question.

If you can't understand the sentence in the context of the rest of the submission, replace "but only the iPhone." with "but not devices extremely similar to the iPhone." Also, consider taking classes in critical thinking or English.

Re:Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27754069)

T&T's contract with Apple, which has not been made public, is believed to cover all models of the iPhone, but only the iPhone.

I don't mean to be nit-pickey, but somehow, the meaning got lost in the translation.

Uh, no, it didn't. However, "picky" got lost in your dictionary.

This sounds exciting... (1)

penguinstorm (575341) | more than 5 years ago | (#27751757)

> Microsoft and Verizon are in talks to develop a
> touch-screen mobile phone that would run on
> Windows Mobile.

Seems to me there used to be a bunch of these options, and they all failed in the market.

Re:This sounds exciting... (0)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 5 years ago | (#27751875)

Because windows mobile is a horrible phone OS. Its an ok email/text message reader, but it utterly fails at the main task of a phone- calls. They basically took the Windows OS and shoehorned it into a mobile device with the fewest possible changes, rather than developing a solution for the market. Give me a symbian device any day of the week.

Re:This sounds exciting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27752007)

The Apple plan:

1) Let the competitors go in fist and flail

2) Figure out what really sucks about the others

3) ???

4) Profit!

Re:This sounds exciting... (2, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752385)

Exactly. In the USA there are no perfect phones. The perfect phone would be:

Full Keyboard and Captive touchscreen
Decent enough resolution camera with built-in video recording
Copy/Paste
Bluetooth Tethering
Full Bluetooth features
Built-in GPS
An OS with the ability to easily add in software from any source (and the official source must not have stupid restrictions like the app store on the iPhone)
A decent media player with all major codecs supported
Flash, and if not Flash then YouTube and other video site viewers as applications
Wi-Fi
MMS
Not painful to use browser
Standard USB port
Standard headphone jack

As of yet no phone even comes close to that. Sure, the G1 is a great phone, yet it has so many easy to fix flaws such as the lack of a standard headphone jack. The iPhone is a great phone, but it has the stupidest design issues such as the lack of basic features like MMS, copy/paste, multiple codecs for audio and video (OGG is a no brainer), lack of Flash along with usability issues such as the application "approval" process and the lack of a decent camera (with no zoom or video recording features).

Re:This sounds exciting... (1)

lupis42 (1048492) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752625)

Captive touchscreen aside, the HTC Touch Pro [htc.com] does most of that, though it does require a dongle for the headphone jack.

Re:This sounds exciting... (1, Interesting)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752051)

Its an ok email/text message reader, but it utterly fails at the main task of a phone- calls.

My current "smart" phone is a Windows Mobile device, and compared either to my previous Palm OS device or the iPhones I've handled, the OS seems not only not great as a phone, but not great for the PDA features of a smartphone, either. When I replace it, I can guarantee that the one thing I won't be considering is another Windows mobile offering.

Re:This sounds exciting... (1)

tholomyes (610627) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752329)

Amen. I got tired of having a phone that freezes up. Windows Mobile made me too paranoid to get an iPhone, even, so when it came time to replace it I just got a plain jane Samsung and an iPod Touch.

It's nice to have a phone with a decent battery life again, too.

Re:This sounds exciting... (3, Insightful)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752939)

One of my CS professors in college said something I wrote down, because it was a great quote, especially since he has a very thick Czech accent. Here's the quote, with all grammatical mistakes intact:

"When you pick up phone at your house, it just works. You don't wait two minutes to boot up, then it gives you blue screen of death."

Re:This sounds exciting... (3, Interesting)

cawpin (875453) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752349)

That's odd. I have a Samsung Omnia and it's the best phone I've ever owned. The screen response isn't as good as the iPhone's, but nothing else is either. The Omnia is #2. It also allows me to do things for free the iPhone can't, such as SSH and VNC, flawlessly. Its camera is also the best I've used on a phone and, at 5MP, has plenty of resolution.

Re:This sounds exciting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27752741)

I've got an Omnia also and it's great. I had a i760 before (touchscreen) but it would lock up 3-4 times a day.

The Omnia almost never has that problem. Even if Verizon the the iPhone and not some other Apple phone, I wouldn't dump my Omnia for an iPhone.

Re:This sounds exciting... (1)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753309)

You should try the Jaadu VNC app for the iPhone. I've never used Samsung's VNC client but I seriously doubt it would be in the same ballpark as Jaadu's iPhone client.

SSH, I don't know about.

Re:This sounds exciting... (1)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753451)

There are ssh apps for it. Some of them are even free I believe.

Re:This sounds exciting... (1)

cawpin (875453) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753883)

It isn't a Samsung specific client, just a Windows mobile client. It's built off of RealVNC I believe.

Does Apple matter ? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27751781)

This stuff is all chinese made these days anyways.
What's the real difference between an iphone and a Goiwoi-Ling Efon besides that you can change the batteries in th Efon yourself ?

Can you hear me now? (1)

EZ Erik (855609) | more than 5 years ago | (#27751789)

I wonder if the Apple VOIP phone would have better reception on the Verizon network. ATT has been known to have a great data network but, with my Iphone I still seem to have worse reception than my coworkers with ATT blackberries.

FTW (2, Funny)

lessthanpi (1333061) | more than 5 years ago | (#27751811)

It's amazing how much apple dominates. It's iPod controls 73% of the market share of mp3 players and is the second leading smart phone vendor in the U.S.S.A. There is no stopping them. Antitrust measures should be taken immediately.

Re:FTW (3, Funny)

justindarc (1046048) | more than 5 years ago | (#27751869)

Who let Ballmer in here!?

Re:FTW (2, Insightful)

penguinstorm (575341) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752337)

I'm not sure that's really "funny" as it's been modded. Anti-Trust measures WERE being considered against Apple in some jurisdictions, on the basis of Apple's iTunes DRM.

When Apple dropped DRM those calling for anti-trust prosecutions basically lost any grounds on which to fight. The iTunes Music Store doesn't lock you into an iPod anymore...you can play what you buy anywhere and your iPod can play tunes purchased from anywhere. iPods are a bit locked to iTunes in terms of loading data onto it, but there's lots of ways around that and Apple's not the first company to only support one piece of software for loading music...

Now, on the VIDEO side there's still the DRM issues to content with/resolve in a legal sense but that's as much a reality of the HDCP lobby as it is anything to do with Apple.

Re:FTW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27753007)

in the U.S.S.A.

In Soviet America, phone calls YOU!

Re:FTW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27753919)

I was thinking United States of Saudi Arabia, one of my new favs..?

Re:FTW (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27753455)

Since when has success been the watermark for antitrust? I'm not a Mac fan but they have hardly qualified for antitrust over iPods or iPhones. They haven't attempted to suppress competing products. You can load content that wasn't bought from Apple so you can't even say they are locking you to their services. iTunes has more issues there not iPods. They aren't required by law to license their technology to companies to make cheap knock offs. Really all they are guilty of is making a product that more people want. The fact people want iPods isn't grounds to file antitrust against Apple. If they were dumps cheap products and trying to force retailers to not carry competing players it'd be a different issue. It's ironic because Apple hardware is considered on the expensive side so they aren't a goof candidate for dumping charges. If you don't like Apple then by a Zune. You probably will be not only the first one on the block to have one but probably the only one.

Re:FTW (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753761)

Apple isn't a monopoly though, the competition just plain sucks. Ok, so there are some pretty nice MP3 players that aren't iPods, but they are few and far between, and even then many don't have the features that an iPod does, and then there's no MP3 player that comes close to the iPod Touch (aside from game/music hybrids like PSPs and the GP2x). For smart phones, Windows Mobile plain sucks (seriously, you shouldn't have random freeze ups and vendors shouldn't be forced to create another OS on top of WinMo in order to make it usable), Android, while nice and usable (and will undoubtedly be better in the long run) just doesn't have the polish of the iPhone OS in April of 2009, Symbian doesn't really excel in anything, and BlackBerry is devoid of innovation (but I can't really fault Blackberries for that, they after all are more an ultra-reliable corporate phone rather then a geek plaything).

Re:FTW (1)

db32 (862117) | more than 5 years ago | (#27754099)

You aren't allowed to say things like that here...common sense...who the hell approved that?

I am a tad surprised you don't already have a horde bitching at you about how horrible iPods are, or how evil Apple is, or whatever.

Personally, I think MS should have stuck with WinCE over WM. Not for any technical reason...I just think the fact that they let a version of Windows called "wince" out the door is hilarious.

And as far as Android being better in the long run...I don't know that I entirely doubt that, but I wouldn't put too much stock in it. Google is shaping up to be much more "evil empire" than Apple and I think faced with enough pressure Apple may cave on the lockdown. Fact is, they aren't facing a whole lot of competitive pressure, so natural business behavior is to flex muscles and maintain control, it may be distasteful to some, but it is unfortunately smart business. When they start facing some severe competition they will have to change strategy or start getting torn up. Too many non DRM music sites started popping up and iTunes went DRM free. Whether Apple fully supported DRM in the first place is irrelevant, they tolerated it, and it wasn't until there was some competitive pressure that they really pushed against it.

Also...despite common belief, monopolies are legal. It is perfectly legal to build and maintain a monopoly based on being the best (or perceived best) in the field. The problems only come from using your monopoly position to maintain that position rather than competing.

Introducing the iFone (4, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 5 years ago | (#27751847)

The thinnest, lightest fuck you to ATT on the market!

Wow. (4, Funny)

d474 (695126) | more than 5 years ago | (#27751851)

"A Non-iPhone"

So this an article that isn't about iPhones, but feels the need to define it in terms of an iPhone.

(Car analogy time) That's like saying Ford is developing a new Non-Mustang vehicle.

Re:Wow. (1)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752107)

Except the little one is a small iPhone, and the big one is just a big iTouch; which is an iPhone that you can't call with. But the contract with AT&T won't let them call either one an iPhone...

Re:Wow. (3, Funny)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752361)

That hurt my head. I'm going to go lie down now.

Re:Wow. (5, Insightful)

isaac338 (705434) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752139)

You miss the point. All it's saying is Apple can make a device strikingly similar to an iPhone but at long as it's not called "iPhone" it's not required to be on AT&T.

Re:Wow. (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753765)

Maybe they'll call it the iPod Touch?

Re:Wow. (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752399)

"A Non-iPhone"

AKA "Jesus Phone [iphonesavior.com] ".

Re:Wow. (2, Insightful)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753033)

It'd be more like if Ford had a contract with a certain steel company to produce all steel for the Mustang until 2015, and Ford one day announces that they're making a new car that has exactly the same components as the Mustang, but isn't officially a Mustang, so they aren't contractually obligated to keep the same steel supplier.

So (2, Funny)

captnbmoore (911895) | more than 5 years ago | (#27751879)

That would make my Orange an Apple. Sweet.

Palm Pre (3, Interesting)

get quad (917331) | more than 5 years ago | (#27751891)

I dont own an iPhone because it doesn't have a tactile keyboard. I believe that when Verizon realizes how much of a gimmick the Blackberry Storm was and finally picks up the Palm Pre, AT&T will lose millions of customers to Verizon/Palm.

Re:Palm Pre (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27751915)

I don't think my fat fingers could use the keyboard on the pre.. that thing looks tiny.

Re:Palm Pre (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27752479)

Lose some weight, then, fatty.

Re:Palm Pre (4, Insightful)

slyn (1111419) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752131)

The Palm Pre needs to come out first for that particular plan to work.

Re:Palm Pre (3, Insightful)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753895)

The Palm Pre needs to come out first for that particular plan to work.

Palm needs to break their exclusivity agreement with Sprint for that particular plan to work.

Re:Palm Pre (3, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752265)

I dont own an iPhone because it doesn't have a tactile keyboard.

The iPhone 3.0 software enables the 'Spring Surprise' tactile feedback:
Two steel bolts that, upon the activation of the keyboard, spring outward and pierce the user's hands and fingers.

Re:Palm Pre (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752521)

Thats assuming a lot of factors. Primarily the software support on the Pre. If the Pre doesn't have a good, solid, cheap/free official application base, it won't thrive. Much like the Apple commercial says, there really is an app to do almost anything you want on the iPhone* and really, the number of good games and developers on the iPhone is really impressive, Namco, Square-Enix, Konami and a lot of others really have some decent games on there.


*That is, of course if you don't want to do things that Apple says that you can't do such as emulators, using "undocumented" features, or "obscene" applications, but that is what jailbreaking is for, right?

Re:Palm Pre (2, Insightful)

Threni (635302) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752683)

> *That is, of course if you don't want to do things that Apple says that you can't do such as emulators, using "undocumented" features, or
> "obscene" applications, but that is what jailbreaking is for, right?

That, or just getting a phone which supports Windows Mobile, Symbian or Java apps.

Re:Palm Pre (1)

croddy (659025) | more than 5 years ago | (#27754011)

i like the iphone keyboard.

note: i am someone curses when i have to type on any computer keyboard not equipped with cherry mx blue or alps white keyswitches.

Re:Palm Pre (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27754311)

Millions? Seriously?

Sounds familiar (4, Insightful)

tylersoze (789256) | more than 5 years ago | (#27751937)

This sounds an awful like what Jobs did when he decided to kill off the clone makers after he came back as CEO. They had a license for OS 8, so he just changed the name to OS 9.

Re:Sounds familiar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27752235)

If AT&T seriously got a contract on products named "iPhone", whoever thought that was a good idea is getting fired. From the summary, it sounds like the devices Apple is planning cannot use the cellular network for voice communications, so, for some rather reasonable definition, they are not cell phones.

Re:Sounds familiar (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27752319)

My father fought in the clone wars. But he was betrayed by a Sith lord named Steve.

Re:Sounds familiar (4, Funny)

Phroggy (441) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752595)

This sounds an awful like what Jobs did when he decided to kill off the clone makers after he came back as CEO. They had a license for OS 8, so he just changed the name to OS 9.

To be fair, it's not like going from 7.5 to 7.6 to 8.0 to 8.1 to 8.5 to 8.6 to 9.0 was a completely shocking progression.

Re:Sounds familiar (1)

tylersoze (789256) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753081)

Well other than the fact the features in OS 9 really didn't warrant a new version number.

Commit Successful: Revision 37248 (1)

modemuser (958233) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753427)

updated version number

Re:Sounds familiar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27754115)

Hmm, maybe, but I'm more inclined to believe "9" was released as a stepping stone to get to "X" (10)

Re:Sounds familiar (2, Informative)

macshome (818789) | more than 5 years ago | (#27754665)

So close!

Back then the Mac ran on "System" whatever. System 3, System 6, System 7, you get the idea.

The clone license covered System 7, so they changed the name to Mac OS and revved the number to 8, just to be sure.

If this is the mini-tablet, the CrunchPad is dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27752021)

even if it makes it to market first. Apple + 3G vs.

Verizon + Microsoft + Windows Mobile = FAIL (1, Insightful)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752047)

When will people learn? They'll get a few mouth-breathing Zune buyers in their Walmart sales channel, but no real success. Want success? Be cooler and cheaper than the iPhone - does it really cost $95 a month for all that stuff? I think not.

Re:Verizon + Microsoft + Windows Mobile = FAIL (3, Interesting)

c_forq (924234) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752481)

does it really cost $95 a month for all that stuff?

I think it actually may, in a way. Last I saw iPhone users were using WAY more data than users of AT&T's other phones. I've heard AT&T has struggled to keep up with this in some locations. Think of the $95 a month as keeping out the vast hordes that would rape and pillage their inadequate infrastructure. So for someone to compete on this aspect I think they would have to have a much more robust network with plenty of bandwidth room.

Re:Verizon + Microsoft + Windows Mobile = FAIL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27753683)

the infrastructure isn't inadequate at all, so long as you're in an urban/tech-savvy area... do you seriously expect to get good 3G cell service in the midwest?

if you're not in the northeast/sillicon valley there most likely isn't enough demand in your area to promt att to install 3g service. wait a few years.

Re:Verizon + Microsoft + Windows Mobile = FAIL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27753905)

I have AT&T, and so far my iPhone has worked better for me in the midwest than urban/tech-savvy areas. In Chicago I have had my iPhone drop to GPRS (the symbol that is normally an "E" or a "3G" shows an "o"). However in Michigan I am able to get 3G (and fast 3G) all the way from Bay City to Grand Rapids (there is a lot of empty space between the cities). If I happen to drive through East Lansing or Ann Arbor when there is a college football game it is a total crapshoot though, with every student, their mother, and their brother all using their phones.

Re:Verizon + Microsoft + Windows Mobile = FAIL (1)

Annorax (242484) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753909)

Yeah, just like I'll have to wait a few years.. I mean an eternity ... before at&t starts offering FiOS service.

Man I wish I lived in Verizon territory...

And no.. U-Verse is NOT fiber to the door.

Me want a TouchBook and here's why (4, Interesting)

Lord Satri (609291) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752069)

I hope the 'Media Pad / TouchBook' end up being true. Because it would be a product that would be useful to me.

I don't want a laptop. I have an old one, and even if my old iBook is rather small, over the years, I realized that it's not small enough for a lot of uses. Example: we don't use it at the dinner table to refer to Wikipedia and I don't bring it often when going to friends and family unless I know I'm going to use it because it's slightly too big and heavy.

On the other end, there's the iPod Touch and the like. Doubtlessly useful, and despite not owning one (I really try to buy as little stuff as possible because 'the things you own end up owning you' ;-), I fear the screen is too small to enjoy it as an input device (very small virtual keyboard) and media device (small screen too). On the plus side, smartphones / iPod Touch *are* really portable, and to a level that won't be attained by any "media pad".

NetBooks. Almost, but I don't think they're for me yet. Waiting for the next wave. Why? It's not really a laptop but it's not really that portable either. (that's obviously subjective)

And last but not least, Apple products integration. I don't consider myself a fanboy, but I want to be productive [me.com] . Despite using Debian at work everyday, Linux is still not up to my expectations yet (yet!). Is there some lock-in with Apple? Yes. Is this a problem with me? Not that much, as long at it doesn't get in my way too often. I'm ready to pay to have more pleasure using a computer. I don't want crap, even if it's free. (this is a general statement, not specifically related to software)

Now, I guess I did not need to write all this other than to have feedback from you: what do you think? Where am I wrong?

Re:Me want a TouchBook and here's why (1)

AnyoneEB (574727) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752469)

Your requirements sound similar to the ones that led me to buy a Nokia n810 [wikipedia.org] : I wanted something I could carry everywhere without really thinking about it that I could use for PDA-type applications and internet access (it replaced a Sony Clie Palm OS-based PDA [wikipedia.org] (yeah, yeah, Sony sucks, but they sure knew how to make a Palm OS 4 device: I would still be using it if I could have gotten Wi-Fi easily)). I did consider the iPod Touch, but between the on-screen keyboard and lack of external memory slot, I wasn't interested. On the other hand, I was looking at Wi-Fi capable handhelds instead of phones because, as a university student, pretty much everywhere I am going to be will have Wi-Fi, so there is no point in paying for cell phone internet.

I am happy with the N810, but it is a bit slow for web browsing and freezes occasionally (may be due to me opening too many browser windows / terminals sometimes...) -- it would probably greatly benefit from doubling the RAM and a slightly faster processor -- so I would recommend finding one to play around with and seeing if the speed is acceptable. There are rumors about a successor being worked on.

On the upside, it runs a Debian-based distro called Maemo [wikipedia.org] and pretty much any armel Debian package is installable.

To be honest, this looks like a developing/early adopters market at the moment, and realistically your best bet for getting a good usable device in the PDA/smartphone form factor is probably to wait a few years.

Re:Me want a TouchBook and here's why (2)

Annorax (242484) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753971)

I'm ready to pay to have more pleasure using a computer. I don't want crap, even if it's free.

And the sad thing is that for the longest time I was paying for crap that would mysteriously stop working and force me to blow an entire evening trying to tweak drivers and the OS to start working properly again. I finally got fed up with tinkering. Sure, tinkering was fun for quite a while, but when it started to get in the way of creative work done on a computer then that's where I had to draw a line.

I bought my cast aluminum sliver of a machine a year ago March and have been very happy not having to worry if the video driver is going to hang or WiFi stack crash on me again.

Media pad - exactly what I've been waiting for (1)

IICV (652597) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752115)

The other is a media pad, said to be smaller than a Kindle but with a bigger screen, that would let users listen to music, view photos, watch high-definition videos, and make calls over a Wi-Fi connection.

This is almost exactly what I've been waiting for, although I'd prefer it if I could get this thing without Verizon's taint. The netbook market is growing, and it was only a matter of time until Apple got around to putting in their entry.

Also, here's a thought: if you've already got one of those bluetooth headsets permanently embedded in your ear, your "phone" can be a bit larger - after all, it just needs to fit into your briefcase, backpack, cargo pockets or (given that this is Apple) purse or messenger bag (but I repeat myself). Why not make it a full-fledged netbook?

Ouch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27752127)

I can't believe I just had sex, it's going to be a lot harder to ejaculate to this most recent apple product sighting.

damn i already want one

chafing as we speak.

I want... (1)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752161)

A tablet that combines a low-end MacBook and the iPhone. That means that instead of widgets, I want a setup which calls up the iPhone interface for rapid application selection.

I can see the marketing campaign now (2, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752173)

"Say yes to the new Apple ayePhone! Now available on Verizon Wireless!"

Talks are for a Tablet with data-only connection (0, Offtopic)

Lepton68 (116619) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752207)

Wow, this is very close to something I blogged today, that Apple is talking to Verizon not about the iPhone, but about a tablet device I call the NetPad. This would use a data-only carrier connection that lets it, Kindle-like, transfer data across the Internet in spots where WiFi is not available. It is basically a bigger-screen iPhone without voice. There would be versions for GSM and CDMA. Users would sign on to a data-only carrier agreement, and this is what they are probably talking about.

Apple already restricts VOIP to WiFi. This would continue, But you can go surf your brains out! Halfway between an iPod Touch and an iPhone with (I predict) a 7.75" screen and finger + stylus + Bluetooth keyboard support, this thing will be another winner.

My blog articles on the NetPad and the Verizon talks are at http://www.myallo.com/blog [myallo.com]

Re:Talks are for a Tablet with data-only connectio (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27752441)

Wow, except lots of people read slashdot, and no one gives a crap about your shitty blog!

WTF is wrong with Microsoft? (1)

WarlockD (623872) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752377)

Marketwatch reports that Microsoft and Verizon are in talks to develop a touch-screen mobile phone that would run on Windows Mobile.

I mean seriously. They got the market clout AND a touch/non-touch version of WinCE on tap. For as bad as eveyone thinks the Zune is, at the very least, it shows THEY CAN DO IT.

Is it THAT hard to slap an iPhone interface to WinCE? God damn, "One Foot in the Grave(tm)", Palm is doing it and its a completely diffrent os [engadget.com] than the old Palm. In the same timeframe, we get CE 6.1... Yeeaa! Finaly we can see text messages in a chat log, like most cheaper cell phones been doing for YEARS.

PS - I have been using the WinCE for the last 4 years and I am goingto the Palm Pre when it comes out. The ironic part about it is that I gave up the palm those years ago because their os was going nowhere:P

PSS - Yes, I want the G1 but till its CDMA I am not giving up my 20% off Sprint from work:P

Re:WTF is wrong with Microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27752445)

The Zune isn't doing poorly because it's bad, it's because iPod is doing so well. Please stop the FUD or if you're uneducated than get the facts. And no, blogs that bash Microsoft for being Microsoft or for not being Apple don't count as bad reviews.

Re:WTF is wrong with Microsoft? (2, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752769)

I mean seriously. They got the market clout AND a touch/non-touch version of WinCE on tap. For as bad as eveyone thinks the Zune is, at the very least, it shows THEY CAN DO IT.

I don't know about that track record. So far Microsoft efforts on consumer electronics have been successful when MS is willing to take heavy losses (Xbox: -$7 billion over the lifetime of the Xbox and Xbox 360) or not as successful (Zune: small profit for a year then losses). No I am not counting keyboards and mice which are not quite as complex as consoles or MP3 players. Even in the realm of mobile phones MS is losing money and marketshare. MS started in the industry back in 1999, and even with a 8 year head start, Apple has overtaken them in marketshare within 2 years.

Re:WTF is wrong with Microsoft? (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27754293)

PSS - Yes, I want the G1 but till its CDMA I am not giving up my 20% off Sprint from work:P

Check with your HR department. I get 19% off at Verizon through work, but they also have deals with 2-3 other carriers for similar discounts (heck our work phones have always been Alltel, and these arrangements were in place long before the Verizon/Alltel merger).

So Verizon is going to resell (1)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752425)

Macs?

And the great thing about the iPhone is... (5, Funny)

magsol (1406749) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752493)

...if you want to market it to another company under a different name, there's even an app for that.

Enough with the rumors (3, Insightful)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752641)

Firstly, let's hang up the old rumor mill and improve the S/N ratio.
Secondly, roughlydrafted.com has a pretty insight into why this is probably not going to happen.

I can see it now (3, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752717)

The other is a media pad, said to be smaller than a Kindle but with a bigger screen, that would let users listen to music, view photos, watch high-definition videos... Just what we need! The current iPhone is way too small for watching pr0n while driving! Why not just build in a projector and project the picture on the windshield instead?

Re:I can see it now (1)

ciaohound (118419) | more than 5 years ago | (#27754043)

Giving new meaning to the term "heads-up display".

How is this "to Verizon" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27752761)

What exactly is it about Verizon that makes a Wifi device the kind of iPhone killer that Verizon is looking for? Am I missing something? Wireless providers include all sorts of Wifi Hotspots, and conceivably, even a nokia phone on AT&T's network running joikuspot. When did Verizon become the "Wifi" provider?

Sounds like wishful thinking (3, Interesting)

qazwart (261667) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752797)

Two things: Apple doesn't do cheap, so a iPhone Lite is out of the question. Same with the "media pad". Nor, does Verizon allow third parties to do whatever they want. Verizon isn't going to have a WiFi only device that's not going to get people to sign up for Verizon. Nor, do I think Apple wants to work with CDMA which is now officially an obsolete technology. Apple will stick with AT&T which allows Apple to do whatever they want on Apple's terms. Verizon doesn't need Apple. AT&T does. I do predict that Apple will come out with a "Netbook" like device based upon the iPhone OS. It will probably have a keyboard, but no mouse.

Re:Sounds like wishful thinking (1)

CrashandDie (1114135) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752915)

I do predict that Apple will come out with a "Netbook" like device based upon the iPhone OS. It will probably have a keyboard, but no mouse.

A small laptop that has a keyboard but no mouse. I wonder if Apple could actually do something that innovative.

Re:Sounds like wishful thinking (1)

painandgreed (692585) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753255)

Apple will do cheap if it doesn't cut into their more expensive offerings. Look at the iMac Mini and the iPod Nano. If they determine that breaking into the sub-$100 phone market won't hurt their current iPhone market but rather build more customers, they'll do it. Instead of an iPod Touch, you'd be looking at ta version of an iPod Nano that's a phone. Phone, iPod, a few more apps, and maybe email but no video or browsing perhaps.

It's... (1)

DrGamez (1134281) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752945)

..as if millions of good ideas suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.

I call BS (4, Insightful)

forgoil (104808) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752947)

This whole things reeks of making-stuff-up!

media pad? (1)

serbanp (139486) | more than 5 years ago | (#27752967)

The other is a media pad, said to be smaller than a Kindle but with a bigger screen, that would let users listen to music, view photos, watch high-definition videos, and make calls over a Wi-Fi connection. (And read books?)

How can this gadget be compared to Kindle? The most important feature Kindle sports is its e-paper display, while the Apple gizmo uses an ordinary LCD screen with touch function.

IOW, Kindle is a document reader, while this thing is another hyped i-something - we're talking about oranges and apple(s) here.

Re:media pad? (1)

windwalkr (883202) | more than 5 years ago | (#27754557)

How can this gadget be compared to Kindle? The most important feature Kindle sports is its e-paper display, while the Apple gizmo uses an ordinary LCD screen with touch function.

IOW, Kindle is a document reader, while this thing is another hyped i-something - we're talking about oranges and apple(s) here.

In what meaningful way is a Kindle a "Document Reader" and an i-something not?

* The Kindle lacks other functions - okay, so it's a dedicated "Document Reader" as opposed to being a multifunction device.

* It has an e-paper display - okay, so it gets better battery life, and is arguably easier to work with if you happen to be outside.

While I wouldn't disagree with you saying that the Kindle is a better dedicated document reader, the fact that an i-something saves you carrying around a second device trumps the other concerns for me. I certainly have no troubles using an iPhone to read books.

Smart (1)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753001)

There is no way Apple is making another phone. That just isn't happening. I think talking with Verizon is smart but frankly would like them to make a phone that any carrier could use. The single biggest limiting factor to the iPhone's widespread adoption (as great as sales are now)is AT&T. I'm sure Apple knows this.

iPod Touch + Verizon Wireless Broadband (1)

kindbud (90044) | more than 5 years ago | (#27753145)

That's what I'm using. Lets me do all sorts of things Verizon won't let me do with their phones, like listen to Pandora or other audio streams, watch YouTube videos, buy songs and videos from iTMS.

Verizon just won't let me use my 3G Chocolate 3 phone for anything interesting. Tried Rhapsody, it's total Chrapsody. Popular artists aren't available by subscription, but only purchase (and lots of older artists: you can't get Eagles by subscription! The almost-40-year old band Eagles are too precious for subscription! Bah!) and you can't use the data plan on the phone to add subscriptions songs, but can only buy songs at $1.99 ea over the air, instead of $0.99 ea when you buy the same damn song on the PC. Basically, you can't use Chrapsody with your phone unless you have a PC, which needs its own data plan - Cable, DSL, 3G, whatever - to get the songs, unless you like to pay for a data plan that allows you to pay double for the songs. WTF-over!?

So screw 'em if they won't let me out of their walled garden. I kept my grandfathered unlimited monthly 3G data plan, and cancelled the data plan on the phone.

Useless? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27753417)

So will this new phone also be artificially hamstrung to near uselessness like the iphone is?

apple: excellent hardware ruined by garbage software.

Re:Useless? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27753945)

Failed troll has failed

2010 is only next year. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27753723)

Well, it takes awhile to develop and create a new production line to make a new product so if Apple want to start to make a iPhone for other networks like Verizon then Apple would start now. The exclusive rights for iPhone through ATT ends in 2010, by 2010 Apple can legally sell a iPhone to other carriers at that time if it wants to. Also this helps Apple since they can expand the market of the iPhone quickly and not stuck in some "strategic alliance" with ATT.

Call it the Newton Phone (3, Insightful)

Orion Blastar (457579) | more than 5 years ago | (#27754075)

or the Mac Phone.

It would be interesting if the phone was based on the old Apple Newton device. Apple could claim IP back to the Newton before a lot of these "Smart Phones" got invented.

It only makes sense as Microsoft used Windows CE in their smart phones, that Apple recycles the Newton into a Newton phone. You got that IP there, and it can be modified to run on ARM processors, and it pre-dates the iPhone.

Its not about the phone (1)

ElitistWhiner (79961) | more than 5 years ago | (#27754513)

WiFi is the long pole in the tent. WiFi is free will == freedom.

Apple abstracts function over infrastructure. Infrastructure fade to black.

Apple disintermediates networks ala iTunes disintermediates Music

Its eyeballs, who has'em and can deliver everything that follows

PSP? (1)

Xaide (1015779) | more than 5 years ago | (#27754579)

Correct me if I'm wrong but, didn't the Playstation Portable already come out like four years ago? And I'm pretty sure it played games on top of all the other stuff this faux pas iPhone is supposed to do.
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