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IE8 Released As Critical Update For XP

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the standards-are-critical-you-betcha dept.

Internet Explorer 409

Binestar was one of several readers writing in to note that Microsoft is listing IE8 as a critical update to Windows XP. CNet reported a couple of weeks back that Microsoft would be rolling our IE8 to users in a gradual fashion, and requiring an opt-in before installing it. Opinion has been split as to whether IE8 is worth installing or not. Binestar notes delicately, "For those not interested in upgrading to IE8 at this time, the MSDN released information back in January on how to keep IE8 off your machine."

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obama released as critical diarrhea (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27755025)

note to self: don't eat so many fucking tacos.

Re:obama released as critical diarrhea (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27755387)

That's fuckin' hilarious! Where's my points?

Welcome to Niggerbuntu (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27755415)

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what's so critical about a web browser? (2, Interesting)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755035)

shouldn't they patch the version XP shipped with instead?

Didn't XP ship with 6? (5, Funny)

prehistoricman5 (1539099) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755125)

Whenever I encounter a computer running ie6, I want to take a sledgehammer to the computer.

Re:Didn't XP ship with 6? (4, Funny)

Mad Merlin (837387) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755191)

No, that's not enough. The only way to be safe is to nuke it from orbit.

Re:Didn't XP ship with 6? (-1, Offtopic)

jo42 (227475) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755381)

nuke it from orbit

Why? The chances of missing from orbit are much greater than anything else.

Re:Didn't XP ship with 6? (1)

Ortega-Starfire (930563) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755397)

>Why? The chances of missing from orbit are much greater than anything else.

Uh, it's kinda hard to miss with a NUKE. When dealing with weapons fired from orbit, a nuke really is the only way to be sure.

Re:Didn't XP ship with 6? (1)

Abrisene (1477289) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755453)

When dealing with weapons dropped from orbit, anything with a decent amount of mass, lets say a telephone pole made of tungsten for example, will cause a large enough impact that you can be pretty sure that there won't be any copies of IE6 running particularly close to your target.

Re:Didn't XP ship with 6? (2, Informative)

Anpheus (908711) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755571)

Just to be a pedant, you actually have to have something a lot larger than a telephone pole. You tried to cover yourself by saying "made of tungsten," but I'm going to guess the deceleration would break or melt even the toughest of elements.

Re:Didn't XP ship with 6? (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755459)

Fuckin' a.

Re:Didn't XP ship with 6? (2, Informative)

miro f (944325) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755649)

please don't work for any large company. I work for a large financial institution and we still only support ie6 =(

Re:Didn't XP ship with 6? (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755753)

Or toss the HDD into a smelter...Followed with 'high-explosives' and thermite. Then call in a 'air-strike'.
Second best thing is 'nuking it from orbit...it's the only way to be sure' solution. 'If it does not glow, we have a go!'

Re:what's so critical about a web browser? (2, Insightful)

Jared555 (874152) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755133)

They don't want to maintain more than one operating system version.... You seriously expect them to maintain more than web browser, especially on multiple OS versions?

Re:what's so critical about a web browser? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27755163)

If Microsoft is gonna upgrade their XP apps instead of merely patching them, then why should I move to Vista or 7?

Re:what's so critical about a web browser? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27755223)

just like apple wokka wokka wokka

Re:what's so critical about a web browser? (5, Insightful)

initdeep (1073290) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755189)

How is microsoft abandoning patching IE6 any different than Mozilla abandoning patches for Firefox 2?

Seriously.

IE6 has some root code that is insecure and patching is merely chasing the tail of the dragon when it comes to security exploits.

So abandoning it, and moving users to an inherently more secure browser that also happens to be more inline with modern browser standards is a good move, not a bad one.

Software companies (all of them) abandon old code for new code all the time, and when they do, they stop issueing security updates and patches for the old code.

It's common, and happens all the time.

Re:what's so critical about a web browser? (1, Troll)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755497)

    > IE6 has some root code that is insecure and patching is merely chasing the tail of the dragon when it comes to security exploits.

    You haven't been paying attention to the way Microsoft works, have you? This has been typical for .... ummm .... as far as I can remember. Ship first, patch later and frequently.

Re:what's so critical about a web browser? (1, Funny)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755675)

You haven't been paying attention to the way Microsoft works, have you? This has been typical for .... ummm .... as far as I can remember. Ship first, patch later and frequently.

Erm...'frequently'?

Re:what's so critical about a web browser? (4, Funny)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755841)

    Yes, frequently. I said nothing about timely.

Re:what's so critical about a web browser? (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755723)

Ship first, patch later and frequently.

Release early, release often [catb.org] ?

Re:what's so critical about a web browser? (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755573)

However, software companies don't commonly use their illegal monopoly to foist negligently insecure software on the entire world.

Re:what's so critical about a web browser? (2, Funny)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755757)

IE6 has some root code that is insecure and patching is merely chasing the tail of the dragon when it comes to security exploits.

This would have been a great post without the spurious "6" in there. Was that a miskey?

Re:what's so critical about a web browser? (5, Insightful)

EvanED (569694) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755235)

shouldn't they patch the version XP shipped with instead?

They did. The patch is called "IE8".

Re:what's so critical about a web browser? (0)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755687)

> shouldn't they patch the version XP shipped with instead?

They did. The patch is called "IE8".

The patch is called 'Firefox'.

Re:what's so critical about a web browser? (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755413)

I actually wish they would do this more often - like Debian and other linux distro.

I would rather upgrade a package whole then download a patch that forces me to reboot and then needs a patch on top of that.

Re:what's so critical about a web browser? (-1, Flamebait)

rts008 (812749) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755683)

*sigh*
They have, several times.
IE7 came out for XP around SP3. This is another update.

*disclaimer: I have been running Kubuntu since long before IE7 was released for XP, yet I still know this.*

shouldn't they patch the version XP shipped with instead?

Which version of XP? the new one (SP3) that comes on netbooks with IE7?, or the 'old' versions that come with IE6?

If you are just 'trolling', then you deserve an "Epic Fail" for missing the target by a galaxy.
If you are serious, then you need to just resign yourself to the fact you are hopelessly clueless, and need to pull your head out of your ass to take a look at the fresh world around you...not just the 'dingleberries' around your sphincter, and immediate 'view of the world'.

I look at your UID, and can only deduce that you are a troll, or more likely too stupid to discourse with. You should know better, if not...you surely[yes, I called you 'shirley!!!biatch!!] will know why you are marked 'foe' as being to stupid to consider/converse with.(if not, no big loss here) Goodbye forever....have a good life in my /. oblivion!

I will throw you a bone as a clueless n00b. Sink or swim...and look out for sharks.

Who peed in your Cheerios? (1)

XanC (644172) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755711)

n/t

Re:what's so critical about a web browser? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27755793)

IE6 is the biggest headache of web developers in this world.

IE6 probably causes most loss of productivity due shitty support for standards

IE6 probably causes most loss of productivity due CSS bugs

IE6 drives web developers mad

Everyone who uses IE6 is a fucking idiot

If you dont wan't to upgrade, stay fucking out of the internet.

It should be mandatory for IE6 users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27755059)

IE6 needs to die... yesterday.

Re:It should be mandatory for IE6 users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27755341)

I like your thinking, unfortunately I can't find the IE7 or IE8 download link for Win2k...

Re:It should be mandatory for IE6 users (1)

Chaos Incarnate (772793) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755583)

It's the same site where you can download an OS that doesn't predate the Pentium III.

IE8 on XP (2, Interesting)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755073)

I didn't even know that IE8 would be available for XP. I wonder how well it renders MathML.

Re:IE8 on XP (2, Informative)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755505)

It doesn't, by itself.

IE8 does have "improved" namespace support, meaning that MathML and SVG plugins are not limited to <objects>, they can also work on inline xml.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd565690(VS.85).aspx [microsoft.com]

Re:IE8 on XP (1)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755681)

Thanks. That is good news, as I sometimes use MathML and SVG in the same document.

So what (5, Interesting)

rossdee (243626) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755075)

I use Firefox as my default browser. Should I care what version of IE is on my (XP) system?

Re:So what (5, Insightful)

anjilslaire (968692) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755101)

I use Firefox as my default browser. Should I care what version of IE is on my (XP) system?

Seeing as how IE is integrated into the OS, having a vulnerable, outdated browser can be a problem. Like when you use windows update.

Re:So what (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27755659)

Windows update does not use ie and hasn't done so for a few years now.

Re:So what (4, Informative)

zonky (1153039) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755691)

It does on XP, which is what the parent was asking about.

Re:So what (1)

MoonlightSeraphim (1253752) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755937)

Just for myself. Does Automatic Update that is located in system properties and runs through the system also uses IE?

Re:So what (5, Informative)

click2005 (921437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755127)

Some software uses IE embedded. Valve's Steam & the HTML help system both do and I'm sure theres plenty more too.

Re:So what (4, Informative)

rts008 (812749) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755299)

Yes, and no.
If you use XP and/or the 'view in IE tab' extension, then yes, you should be using at least IE7 for on-line security.(IE 5,6,7, or 8-whatever is installed, is just opened in a FF tab/window-vulnerabilities will still exist somewhat)
If 'no to both', then don't worry about it.

The 'bottom line' is: get rid of IE 6, or earlier at all costs. (as a 'Home' user-at work:YMMV)

Re:So what (1)

castorvx (1424163) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755395)

Is there any chance someone else would use your computer ever?

Re:So what (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27755855)

What do you think the NSA do all day while you're out?

Netflix? (1)

Anachragnome (1008495) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755993)

If your watching Netflix Instant View, I'm sure you will care. Its the only thing I use IE7 for.

I'll eat my tinfoil hat if they don't make IE8 a requirement for Netflix Instant View much like IE7 and Silverlight are right now.

Let me guess... (5, Funny)

click2005 (921437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755081)

"For those not interested in upgrading to IE8 at this time, the MSDN released information back in January on how to keep IE8 off your machine."

Install Linux

Re:Let me guess... (0)

Jared555 (874152) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755143)

Eh, sooner or later there is going to be an IE bug preventing download of .iso files and anything with mozilla or firefox in the name.

Innovation protection (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755835)

"A system and methods for protecting innovation by preventing environment simulation or open systems adoption"

Method 1: Protection from open systems installation images.

Method 2: Protection from unauthorized network access software applications.

If you hurry you might get the patent on this one.

Re:Let me guess... (-1, Troll)

Jamie's Nightmare (1410247) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755983)

Install Linux

Most people still prefer a computer that is useful.

The sooner the insecure, poor-rendering IE6 dies.. (5, Insightful)

darpo (5213) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755097)

...the better!

Good for web developers? (5, Interesting)

Verdagon (1532631) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755103)

So this means that more of the browser market will be standards compliant?

Re:Good for web developers? (1)

angelwolf71885 (1181671) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755767)

damn wish i had mod points.. and yes thats ezacly what this means :D

And by critical they mean? (3, Interesting)

erroneus (253617) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755117)

What exactly? I don't know. I am a bit confused though.

So MSIE8 is more standards compliant in a significant way. Is this still the case? Is the "default" mode standards mode or compatible mode? I ask this because I want to understand what Microsoft's expectations are going to be.

If the default mode will be standards mode, then I have to say that this is a courageous move on Microsoft's part.

If the compatible mode will be default, then I still have to applaud Microsoft for taking some initiative on this. Even if it doesn't break everything or anything, it's still a gutsy move and is clearly a step in moving in the direction of standards compliance. While this move might potentially slow the growth in use of alternative browsers, Microsoft will potentially lose their edge when it comes to maintaining their lock-in status in IT. And potentially losing some of that edge is a really gutsy move.

Microsoft can lose me and I am sure quite a few others here as Microsoft-haters if they were to just straighten up and fly right. I am hopeful that they will. I once loved Microsoft and all they did when it was still an exciting time... I know... but I speak the truth.

Re:And by critical they mean? (5, Informative)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755199)

Yes, Standards mode is default, although it is easy to override, either from the user side or the web author side: <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=7" />

http://blogs.msdn.com/askie/archive/2009/03/23/understanding-compatibility-modes-in-internet-explorer-8.aspx [msdn.com]

Re:And by critical they mean? (1)

shird (566377) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755277)

The default is standards mode - but you get to choose at install time.

You can choose to create a website that requires your visitors to select 'compliant mode' when visiting your site and inconvenience them.. or you can add a header to your html which says 'standards mode' and IE8 will render it in standards mode, or add a header that states 'compliant mode' and IE8 will use compliant mode.

It is in the hands of website creators to state which mode they want their site rendered - so it gives both website creators and IE7/IE8 users a chance to transition over without breaking anything.

Re:And by critical they mean? (2, Informative)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755283)

critical means update is automatically downloaded and installed if you have auto updates turned on. optional updates get installed only after asking you.

Re:And by critical they mean? (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755319)

Even more interesting: I recall from other stories on /. (sorry, too lazy to look up links) that even in "compatible mode" it breaks many IE6-specific web sites. Which I'd say is a good thing.

And these regular updates of IE will break even more web sites that still check for specific versions of a browser, and require one to use IE5.5 or IE6, but refuse IE7. I'm quite sure there are still some of those around.

All in all more versions of web browsers is good. All may have different quirks, but I can understand a web developer check for two, maybe three browsers or subversions, but if there are three different IE versions with all their unique quirks, each having 40% market share, plus FF, plus Safari, plus the rest, then the only thing a developer can do is code to standards. They can not maintain subversions anymore. That is for sure a good thing: for the developers (less work) and for the users (it doesn't matter anymore which browser one uses).

Re:And by critical they mean? (4, Interesting)

GF678 (1453005) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755337)

I once loved Microsoft and all they did when it was still an exciting time... I know... but I speak the truth.

Offtopic: The funny thing is, you say this as if people used to be excited with what Microsoft had done but are tired of them now, but I believe this level of excitement with MS is cyclic. Go to a place like Neowin.net to see this in action. You might be tired of MS now, but the next generation of geeks seem to be excited with their products like Windows Live/Mesh, Windows 7, Office, etc. Maybe the golden years for Microsoft are back?

Heck I can't explain why they're so excited, but they are. As a side note, it does mean that if you hate Microsoft for valid reasons you can't bring them up at a place like Neowin though, cos people will immedaitely consider you a basher for popularity sake and a Linux lover who can't run Photoshop (not like they would be running legit copies either, but that's another topic). The inverse is true for this place of course. God I hate all tech sites these days. What am I doing here anyway? :)

Re:And by critical they mean? (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755699)

IE8 is defiantly a step forwards, i think the problem is that update policies like this are the reason Microsoft boxes are left unpatched. Critical would be to upgrade insecure ie6 to ie7 but to issue a "critical" update to ie8, just devalues the meaning of critical!

kdawson = trollmagnet (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27755169)

sigh

Re:kdawson = trollmagnet (2, Informative)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755219)

s/trollmagnet/cocksocket/

WMP11 Media Sharing and IE8 (3, Interesting)

shird (566377) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755193)

I was hoping they would fix the issue where WMP11 Media Sharing stops working after installing IE8 on Vista before rolling it out like this.

I've reported it myself, and so have many others. I guess they will wait until the masses have it via automatic updates and they get a significant number of complaints the next day before they do anything about it.

Re:WMP11 Media Sharing and IE8 (3, Funny)

Bacon Bits (926911) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755977)

Your post is the first I've ever heard of the Media Sharing feature. I think MS will be able to handle the vast number of complaints you and the other four users of the feature will have.

In the meanwhile, the rest of us will enjoy a more secure, standards-compliant Internet. Yes, IE8 is not perfect, but it's still an improvement over IE7 and IE6.

This is good news for web developers. (5, Insightful)

Peter Trepan (572016) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755197)

It's good news because it will help kill IE6, which has serious CSS rendering problems and doesn't support PNG24 graphics.

As of today, IE6 still has significant market penetration. My guess is that corporate users keep that number high.

Re:This is good news for web developers. (5, Insightful)

jonwil (467024) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755295)

Corporate users wont be switching away from IE6 anytime soon. Not whilst PHBs continue to be worried about some tiny little funky feature that no-one uses on some corporate intranet site breaks as a result of the switch.

Re:This is good news for web developers. (5, Funny)

NMSpaz (34277) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755331)

We just need to get all the golf websites to drop IE6 support, then watch how fast IT departments are told to make upgrading the standrard corporate browser a priority.

Re:This is good news for web developers. (1)

Starteck81 (917280) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755561)

I work for a medium sized accounting firm 1,000+ people. We are upgrading to IE 8 in a couple of months.

Re:This is good news for web developers. (1)

genner (694963) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755591)

IE 7 has been a standard install for the last 3 companies I've done projects for.

Re:This is good news for web developers. (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755877)

That may be true but its far from the norm based on what I have seen. I bet if you looked at the stats for a site most commonly accessed by people from work PCs (and not something accessed by geeks using those installs of Firefox the IT guys are turning a blind eye to) you would see IE6 being the most popular.

Re:This is good news for web developers. (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755361)

The big corps that really need IE6 for their broken internal sites are maybe 30% of the total Internet users. And 10-15% of the consumer web sites such as ebay and youtube (assuming employees are doing most of their surfing from home - not sure if that's a safe assumption though). Thus IE6 may soon slip under 30% market share with such an aggressive update policy, and it becomes too small of a market share to specifically build sites for. IE7-8 and FF become the standard, more modern features will be used, and with a little luck IE6 users find themselves with a so much outdated browser that they can not access the sites anymore, or that a lot of the rich content doesn't work anymore which does work at home, and within those corps they start demanding upgrades. That can only be a good thing, even if it is to the more standards compliant IE8.

Re:This is good news for web developers. (1)

InfoJunkie777 (1435969) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755431)

I know from personal experience that some corporate intranets are still using IE6. I also know from personal experience that there are a lot of developing nations still using Win9X and IE6. I use FF3 for my daily browser. But I downloaded IE8 because, as a developer, I will need to make my pages work in IE8, as MSFT still has a > 60% share of the market. I applaud their move to more standards compliance, but think FF3, Chrome & Safari are going to continue to kick their ass.

Re:This is good news for web developers. (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755787)

As of today, IE6 still has significant market penetration. My guess is that corporate users keep that number high.

Also realize that there are still significant numbers of people on older Windows machines using such classics as Windows 95/98/ME, and Windows 2000, all of which cannot be upgraded beyond IE6. For them, they have to switch to a non-IE browser.

If your old Windows box can't handle IE8 OR the latest Firefox due to resource issues, I suggest trying K-Meleon or Opera. (You know, aside from upgrading the hardware, which many people can't afford to do.)

Re:This is good news for web developers. (1)

witekr (971989) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755849)

Indeed, this news is joy for any webdesigner. I stopped testing against IE6 a little while ago and I'm glad to see it go. IE7 still has many of its rendering issues, but IE8 is a truly solid, solid browser. The first browser from Microsoft I could call a quality product. They even made it possible to debug IE7 bugs with compatibility mode and the developer tools in IE8. Great work Microsoft - killing IE6 in a single shot. Keep doing stuff like this M$, and you may just earn back some credibility :)

Re:This is good news for web developers. (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755881)

IE6 isn't going anywhere - here in China EVERYONE uses pirated Windows, so no update. There are tons of websites that simply assume IE6 and go from there. I've seen genuine astonishment on the face of a web dev I tracked down, when the idea came that someone might use a different browser. The only legit Windows is when someone buys a new, fancy laptop that comes with a license. Otherwise, much cheaper and better service to get a whitebox PC than something like a Dell.

Still using IE6 (0)

kilodelta (843627) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755217)

Why, because IE7 sucked! And to be honest I use Firefox or Chrome for almost all my web browsing.

Re:Still using IE6 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27755411)

Using IE7 after IE6 is a painful experience, tabs are nice but take fucking half an hour to open a new one as well as switching between them. Oh and don't get me started on the "smooth scrolling" or scrolling in general with a mouse wheel on IE (any version).

I use Firefox now for virtually all webbrowsing except the times when I want to view a single webpage when Firefox isn't already running - it can take a while loading up 30 odd tabs! (tabs are great to keep track of many forums at once)

Re:Still using IE6 (3, Insightful)

Pentium100 (1240090) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755693)

I'm the same. I use Opera and Firefox for almost all sites and use IE6 only for those sites that do not work with Opera or FF.

Sure, IE is a pain in the butt, but... (1)

McCat (1438893) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755305)

I do end up using it for about .001% of my web browsing (when I'm running Windows instead of Linux, and when I'm running IE instead of Firefox) and I just feel more comfortable using the most up-to-date software whenever possible. Besides, IE6 sucks and IE7 is nothing special anyway-- what's the big deal with just upgrading your backup browser?

And space is no excuse. IE8 takes up marginally more space than IE6/7 and with the cheap cost-per-gigabyte there's no reason to worry about running out of room for all your pron!

Re:Sure, IE is a pain in the butt, but... (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755385)

I use IE (6 and 7) for one thing only. Checking to see if a website works with IE (6/7). Period. If it renders halfway decently (subjective observation), then I leave it alone. CSS breaks IE all the time, so any site that uses CSS is bound to have issues (all of mine do), so I tell people to use another browser when it breaks.

Now I don't have to care nearly as much.

Re: Still using IE6 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27755373)

Agreed, I quit updating xp pro on my game machine shortly after installing it and have had no problems at all. Nothing has gotten through my firewall and or router and my DMZ machine is running win98! Some of you may call me an idiot, but I don't care. Posting anon because I'm too lazy to get an account and I've been around since before Fedora 4 (I've still got a working C64 that was my first comp).

Re: Still using IE6 (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755449)

And you've been a valuable member of our botnet. Thanks again.

(No seriously, you can get a virus simply by being on the internet. Try a Windows XP no service pack install. I dare you.)

Re: Still using IE6 (1)

Pentium100 (1240090) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755705)

Windows XP - yes, though with firewall you have a chance. Windows 98 - well, most of new worms wouldn't even run on Win98 and old ones are easier to get rid of. Nobody's writing new and improved worms for Windows 98 for the same reason they are not making them for Linux - too few PCs use it.

Using older versions of IE? (1)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755389)

Perhaps a bit OT, but it seems apropos to me.

I have no problem upgrading to IE8, as I use FireFox as my primary browser, but I do use it to test web applications and design. Even as a critical update, IE8 won't take out the huge number using IE7 and IE6 for some time; and there are still a small number using IE5.5 (horror of horrors). Since IE is tied into the OS, it's my understanding that you can only have one version installed at a time.

Is there some way to use older versions of IE on the same PC? I've seen an "IE Pack" of sorts, but it got a lot of bad reviews and haven't tried.

Re:Using older versions of IE? (1)

zonky (1153039) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755435)

Install linux!

No, Seriously. [tatanka.com.br]

Re:Using older versions of IE? (2)

enoz (1181117) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755717)

MultipleIE allows standalone installs of MSIE3-6 by utilising DLLHELL technologies
http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE [tredosoft.com]

You can choose which versions of IE it installs (I only test in IE6). Perhaps IE7 will be included in the pack in the near future.

Re:Using older versions of IE? (2, Interesting)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755927)

IE8 has the ability to render using IE7's engine (either with a meta tag in the site, or via the "Comaptibility Mode" button, or - with greater granularity - through the development tools). For testing stuff older than 7, I really can't say. Incidentally, for web dev, the develpment tools are pretty sweet. A couple things in there Firebug could learn from.

do i have to allow wga? (1, Interesting)

zonker (1158) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755437)

Not being a fan of DRM I've so far avoided installing WGA on my system. Can I install IE8 without installing WGA or does it force it on you?

Not only XP... (2, Informative)

standardtoaster (1539893) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755463)

The same is true for Windows 2003 and Server 2008. But isn't it still in beta? It does not have a real uninstaller as some people at work have found and it breaks tons of web apps.

Wow. (2, Interesting)

vistapwns (1103935) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755481)

Good move, getting all those XP users to a standards compliant browser that's reasonably secure will be a Good Thing. Even if you completely jock FF, at least this improves standards support, so you should support this. Hopefully, it won't take as long for IE8 to get the majority of the market as it took IE7, too. I can't remember if IE7 was ever released as a critical update or not, but we really need to get rid of IE6, pronto. They need to release this as critical for Vista as well, Vista + IE8 = very secure browsing, which is what most people need, just basic and secure browsing.

Hooray! (5, Funny)

genner (694963) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755491)

I'm currently unemployed and don't have to deal with the fallout from this!

Re:Hooray! (3, Funny)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755805)

Hey, you might get employed to help out in the cleanup process. Lucky you

While we're blocking updates... (0, Offtopic)

tjstork (137384) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755503)

As an FYI, to block updates to your FireFox, check Edit | Preferences and then, on the Updates tab, under "Automatically Check for Updates To ... uncheck "Firefox", "Installed Add-Ons" and "Search Engines". Then, under "When Updates To FireFox are Found", check "Ask me what I want to do."

That makes FireFox only check for updates when you trigger it, and, if it finds an update, gives you the option of installing it.

Re:While we're blocking updates... (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755821)

That makes FireFox only check for updates when you trigger it, and, if it finds an update, gives you the option of installing it.

*smack!*

Don't DO that.

If someone doesn't know how to turn off automatic updates, that means they're ignorant enough to be in the prime demographic of people who NEED to have automatic updates! A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. It's people like you that have helped IE6 stay around way past its expiration date. Cut that out.

Netbooks also? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27755747)

Does this include the XP version shipped on netbooks? I have enough space problems without worrying about how much IE8 will consume - especially since I will never actively use it. ...A Firefox using Anonymous Coward

What IE8 is. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27755873)

IE8 is the Zune of critical updates.

A Good Move (5, Insightful)

Ralish (775196) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755891)

Normally I'm opposed to Microsoft pushing out feature updates as compulsory (versus security fixes and bug patches), however, in this particular case I'd have to say this is a good move. The benefits are many and the negatives few.

IE might have a bad reputation, and not at all unfairly much of the time, but no matter how much you hate IE, IE8 brings a lot to the table; even if what it brings is long overdue. Improved security, much better standards support, and even some genuine innovative features.

The debate can rage on about the ethics and legality of bundling the browser with and integrating it into the OS, but the reality is this is the case, and the security benefits alone make the upgrade sensible in my view.

However, the upgrade should be done in the background and in no way alter any preferences. Provided no configuration settings the user has set are changed (in particular, default browser), then the background benefits are gained, and the user can check out IE8 at their leisure if they wish, or ignore it completely.

Oh, and finally, this helps to kill off IE6, which really does need to FOAD [urbandictionary.com] .

Quote at Bottom (0, Offtopic)

pgn674 (995941) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755935)

This is off topic from the story at the top, but on topic for the quote at the bottom of this page. I just wanted to note that Robert Frost is my first cousin, five times removed (blood relation). Yay.

By working faithfully eight hours a day, you may eventually get to be boss and work twelve. -- Robert Frost

IE8 is better than IE6 (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#27755963)

In the same way that being Monica Lewinsky is better than being Ashley Alexandra Dupre.

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