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Bluetooth Versus Wireless Mice

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the compare-and-contrast dept.

Input Devices 519

Meneguzzi writes "Having stuck with wired mice for years, I have recently been impressed by a couple of cordless mice I've used on other people's computers so much that I now want to buy one to use with my Mac Book Pro. However, while shopping around for the perfect cordless laptop mouse I was stuck with the question of whether to go for a bluetooth mouse or one of the many proprietary cordless mice with tiny USB receivers. To my surprise, there seems to be little literature systematically comparing these two options for attributes like precision, battery life (both for the mouse and the laptop), RF interference, and whatnot. As a Mac user, bluetooth has the advantage that it won't take up a USB port, and (in theory), would consume less battery than a USB port, but I wonder if this is actually true in practice. On top of that, I noticed that there are far fewer (and less fancy) options for Bluetooth mice than there are for proprietary cordless ones. Logitech, for instance, has a very basic Bluetooth Mouse, while its proprietary options are much fancier. So I was wondering what are the experiences from Slashdotters on this particular type of hardware, and any recommendations."

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519 comments

Wireless Mighty Mouse (1, Funny)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768855)

You want what Apple suggests. Anything else sucks in comparison IMO.

Re:Wireless Mighty Mouse (4, Interesting)

Tokerat (150341) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768879)

Having been a rabid Mac user and advocate since 1992, I have to say: Apple *sucks* at mice. My roommate has a wireless Mighty Mouse, and it never right-clicks properly for me.

However, you may love it; my roommate swears by the thing, and never has any problems.

So basically, my post is useless, except to say that whenever you can, try before you buy.

Re:Wireless Mighty Mouse (3, Informative)

WCguru42 (1268530) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768917)

It takes some time getting used to the right click mechanism. I know I didn't become comfortable with it for a few weeks, but now I find myself slightly lifting my index finger off of standard two button mouses as if it were my mighty mouse.

Re:Wireless Mighty Mouse (2, Interesting)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768975)

It takes getting used to but if you use it often it is an awesome mouse. I especially love that the middle button is a trackball. The only negatives IMO is that it costs $70 which I find a little excessive and you can't lift it when dragging so you need a big mouse pad if you have a 24" iMac.

Re:Wireless Mighty Mouse (4, Informative)

DeadDecoy (877617) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769095)

Meh, tell your friend to try out one of logitech's revolution mice. Those things are so damn nice to use: ergonomic, laser, wireless, with a scroll wheel that can continue spinning. Seriously, apple's (old) insistence on a one-button mouse and introduction of the 'puck', I just haven't bothered to look to apple for a mouse device.

Re:Wireless Mighty Mouse (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769471)

Meh, tell your friend to try out one of logitech's revolution mice

I want to own an Mx Revolution so badly... I could see myself becoming so dependent on that thumb scroll.

Re:Wireless Mighty Mouse (1)

anakha (88297) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769493)

I use a Logitech VX Nano mouse with my laptop. The precision is exceptional and the wireless range is ridiculously good (it uses 2.4Ghz). Battery life on 2 x AAA is decent also.

Re:Wireless Mighty Mouse (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769097)

You wouldn't have even need to post if you'd bought a PC in the first place.

Re:Wireless Mighty Mouse (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769329)

but they go up teh ass so nice! ;_;

Re:Wireless Mighty Mouse (3, Interesting)

Haarg (470380) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768899)

Unfortunately, I've found the Mighty Mouse completely unusable. They continued using a single button, and instead it senses where your finder is to determine if you are left or right clicking. If you rest your fingers on the mouse, it can't detect this properly and instead always registers a left click. I wasn't able to get used to this and instead just went back to using the trackpad.

Re:Wireless Mighty Mouse (4, Informative)

lxs (131946) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768985)

I've been using one of those for six months now, and I have mixed feelings about it. Battery life is great, no dongles sticking out and taking up ports is nice too and it works, but it's not a very responsive mouse and I don't really like the feel of the no button design (you have to push fairly hard to click, sometimes it registers a right click as a left click and the scroll ball gets erratic two weeks before the batteries run out)

It's ok for a laptop I guess, but far from ZOMG BEST MOUZ EVER! I would never use one on a desktop.

For God's sake no! (4, Informative)

theolein (316044) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769445)

I am Mac sysadmin. I admin about 50 Macs in a design agency. The Apple Mac Mighty Mouse is usually the first thing that the designers throw out (bad form factor, cramps in the hands, poor right click functionality, the scroll ball gums up far too often and is difficult to clean, the cord is far too short etc) and the wireless mouse compounds all of that with terribly poor battery life and bad response times. The only way it'll be useful is if you use rechargeable batteries.

Do yourself a favour: get a Logitech RF wireless, whichever one suites your tastes. They have fantastic battery life (8 months on my Logitech LX7 [logitech.com] ) and Logitech almost certainly has one that will fit in your hands. Personally, I love the hard rubber grip on the sides of their mice.

The downside is that you need a USB receiver for them.

Can you get Bluetooth mice with only 1 button? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27768859)

Can you get Bluetooth mice with only 1 button?
Because if not, you may have to buy an RF mouse for your Mac.

Re:Can you get Bluetooth mice with only 1 button? (2, Informative)

ewhac (5844) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768921)

Ha, very ha.

Mac OS X long ago learned to cope with mice sporting more than one button. OS X even does The Right Thing (context menus) with the secondary mouse button by default.

And now, with the new touchpads in MacBooks (where the "button" area is also part of the touchpad), you can set it up to pretend it has one button, or two.

Here's another news flash: OS X can handle standard PC keyboards, too! If it generates a standard USB HID code, OS X can deal with it.

Schwab

Re:Can you get Bluetooth mice with only 1 button? (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769015)

The new touchpads were a bit of a surprise but now I like them a lot. When I use my Dell I get frustrated because the touchpad sucks.

Bluetooth (1)

DiSKiLLeR (17651) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768867)

I've always gone for bluetooth since, well, everything has bluetooth inbuilt now and you don't need to plug in proprietary usb receivers into laptops, netbooks, etc.

I can't comment on how they compare to the propeiety wireless usb receiver types since I have never used on.

Re:Bluetooth (1)

HeronBlademaster (1079477) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768939)

Same experience here. I've never used a standard wireless mouse, but my bluetooth mouse works quite well, and the battery (a single rechargeable AA) regularly lasts two weeks through lengthy gaming sessions. The mouse came with a USB bluetooth dongle which I've used once or twice on desktops, but I normally use the bluetooth receiver built in to my laptop.

Re:Bluetooth (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769185)

I have a wireless keyboard and mouse bundle, and I have never have any problems with batte

Re:Bluetooth (0)

Antidamage (1506489) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769235)

Haha, your battery ra

Re:Bluetooth (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769511)

the battery (a single rechargeable AA) regularly lasts two weeks through lengthy gaming sessions

No offense, but I'd say that's pretty crappy. I've got this beauty [microsoft.com] ; the mouse takes 2 AA. I use non-rechargables, but I think I've changed the mouse batteries probably about 4 or 5 times in 16 or so months. Even if there were 8 changes, that's still getting twice the life per battery that you are.

That's my primary mouse, so gets used for 8-10 hours/day, 5 days/week.

(OTOH, I have another Logitech mouse that has a built in battery that only ever lasted 2 or 3 weeks probably, and is down to a few days.)

VX Nano (4, Interesting)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768873)

Honestly, I have recommended it to everyone I know. It's quite honestly the best mouse I've ever used.

It's only flaw is that it doesn't have Bluetooth, but at the same time its battery life is about 4 times as long as my desktop's (also a Logitech) Bluetooth mouse.

You ask us a question... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27768885)

...And we'll fight about every little detail, go off-topic, crack jokes about welcoming you to the year 2000, debate form over function, laser over inferred, brand versus brand versus model, and in the end you'll still have to decide for yourself.

Have you at least read the reviews on Amazon? Are we only deciding blue-tooth versus wireless, or do we have to pick the exact model for you? Is your 'perfect mouse' going to be someone elses 'perfect mouse' and vice-verse?

Not actively trying to troll here, but wanting to bring your attention to the fact that it ends up being a very heavy personal decision based on your preferences, hand-size, availability, etc...

Re:You ask us a question... (2, Interesting)

bobmarleypeople (1077639) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769029)

I've tried bluetooth mice, and there's a bit too much lag on it for me. Also, bluetooth drains batteries a hell of a lot more than RF wireless. I have an iMac and I was fine with the generic wired mouse for a while, but 4 buttons wasn't enough for me. So I got the Logitech "Wireless Desktop for Mac". Keyboard has lasted me 6 months with the same batteries, while mouse (with 8 buttons) lasts about 2 months at a time with 2 AA batteries. I got it for £50 on Amazon (same price as JUST the Wireless Mighty Mouse).

Re:You ask us a question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769247)

, bluetooth drains batteries a hell of a lot more than RF wireless

Bluetooth is also wireless RF(radio frequency)using the frequencies between 2.4 and 2.4835 GHz

MX 5500 (1)

racer-x.net (52119) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768893)

Logictech does have some advanced bluetooth mice, but I only know of them selling them as a bundle with a keyboard. I have the MX 5500 and its pretty nice. ( http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard_mice_combos/devices/3481&cl=gb,en )

My experience... (5, Interesting)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768897)

...is that a dedicated wireless tech like Logitech's is better than Bluetooth.

My Bluetooth mouse at work occasionally lags behind, or sometimes stops moving for short whiles (even when it's not fallen asleep). Generally it seems the Bluetooth layer adds the occasional issues encountered with wireless networking in general.

I haven't ever seen this with Logitech's dedicated wireless devices.

Then again, I could just be a victim of bad drivers. :)

Re:My experience... (4, Interesting)

HeronBlademaster (1079477) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768963)

I'm guessing bad drivers. My Microsoft bluetooth mouse works very, very well; I only see it lag briefly when I've let it go inactive for 5+ minutes.

Incidentally, I don't have bluetooth enabled in my Linux kernel (2.6.27), but my mouse works. That is, movement and the right and left buttons work, but the wheel and the third, fourth, and fifth buttons don't, so it's not full functionality, but I find it odd that the mouse works at all without bluetooth support in the kernel. Can anyone help me understand why? Is my bluetooth hardware emulating something?

Re:My experience... (1)

PKJedi (189387) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769411)

What kind of bluetooth hardware do you have? At least the dongles that come with the mouses often do some level of emulation. (And as a result might not work as well as a regular bluetooth interface...)

Re:My experience... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769433)

My Broadcom BT identifies itself as four devices. It has normal BT interface, mouse and keyboard. So usual USB HID drivers are enough for a mouse and a keyboard.

lsusb for BT device:
Bus 002 Device 028: ID 0a5c:4503 Broadcom Corp.
Bus 002 Device 027: ID 0a5c:4502 Broadcom Corp.
Bus 002 Device 026: ID 413c:8126 Dell Computer Corp. Wireless 355 Bluetooth
Bus 002 Device 025: ID 0a5c:4500 Broadcom Corp.

Re:My experience... (1)

xenocide2 (231786) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769455)

Bluetooth runs in user space, as do most usb drivers. Its been ages since I configured and built a kernel, but bluez is the basic driver stack for bluetooth, as I recall.

Re:My experience... (3, Informative)

prefect42 (141309) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769517)

Yes. The dongle will be in HID mode, so simply presents as a basic keyboard/mouse. Otherwise users of bluetooth keyboards would be up the creek with using the BIOS, or anything else that doesn't have a bluetooth stack.

Re:My experience... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27768989)

You're not alone. Bluetooth is not good for this task. After the overhead, you end up with an unacceptable amount of lag and/or periodic hangs due to caching. It's just not meant for low latency streams.

The Logitech dedicated devices are far better.

Re:My experience... (1)

clam666 (1178429) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768993)

I've had similiar issues. Although I like bluetooth so I'm not taking up USB space, I have to say I've noticed my bluetooth devices use up the battery far quicker than the proprietary USB style ones, as well as the "lag" as mentioned earlier. I also haven't been able to narrow down whether it is a driver issue or a bad job of collision mitigation with multiple bluetooth devices or whatever causes the stop and jump phenomena.

Re:My experience... (5, Interesting)

prockcore (543967) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769173)

My experience is similar.. although I'll go a little further.

The problem with bluetooth is that once it's paired, it works fine.. but pairing can be a problem, especially in a busy office. The mouse and keyboard always wants to pair with the dozens of macs in the room, except for the one I want it to pair with.

Re:My experience... (2, Informative)

Kotten (1416929) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769465)

Bluetooth in a crowded environment have a tendency to make the computer (windows xp only?) hang because everybody is running around with cell-phones with bluetooth on and it becomes a lot of negotiations and discoveries going. So I have disabled bluetooth at work.

But bluetooth has one advantage in less crowded situtations, two bluetooth mices does not disturb each other! At home we had a problem that the wireless mouse and keyboards where disturning each other, when my wife was moving the mouse (trackball actually) then I could not use mine. It did not matter that it was different manufacturers and I tried several different combinations. Finally I changed into using bluetooth mouse and wired keyboard.

My bluetooth mouse is a logitech V470 and it works flawlessly. I have not not noticed the lockups I had at work even when sitting in crowded places but it might be that I am using Linux in my laptop and that the problem is a Windows only problem.

At work I am now using a Logitech V220 cordless. It also works perfekt and there is no disturbance from collegues. In a tight cubicle landscape it might be a problem like I have at home but we have our own offices.

If you do not sit cramped together with others using wireless mice/keyboard then I recomend standard rf-wireless. If you get problems then switch to bluetooth.

First post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27768903)

Also - wireless mice take moar power.

Row row fight the POWAH

How much USB do you use? (1)

WCguru42 (1268530) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768937)

I don't think I'd ever use a usb-wireless mouse simply for the fact that it's eating up a usb port. When I can connect my mouse to my computer without occupying any of the ports I can't think of any reason not to. And bluetooth is a very good connection, at least in all of my experiences with it.

Logitech fancy bluetooth mouses (4, Informative)

Antity-H (535635) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768943)

I personnaly own a Logitech MX900 it does come with a usb pluggable pod/receiver but it is fully bluetooth compliant. I never pugged the pod's usb cable anywhere, just the power cord to recharge the mouse. And it has always worked flawlessly.

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-MX900-Bluetooth-Cordless-Optical/dp/B0000CEPDF [amazon.com]

RF vs Bluetooth Mice (5, Informative)

Nasser (80677) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768955)

I've used several bluetooth and RF wireless mice. One thing you should consider is that when the CPU is bogged down the bluetooth mouse will become jerky and unusuable.

Re:RF vs Bluetooth Mice (2, Insightful)

macraig (621737) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769101)

Whether or not a Bluetooth mouse was given CPU cycle precedence would depend entirely upon how the Bluetooth protocol stack was developed, wouldn't it? It's my understanding there is more than just one monopolistic stack available, so it may be a matter of understanding the issue - you do now at least - and choosing to use the better one. This has been the case with Bluetooth on Windows Mobile devices: there was a Widcomm BT stack and a Microsoft one. Guess which one had fewer problems on that platform?

Re:RF vs Bluetooth Mice (2, Interesting)

Kotten (1416929) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769507)

Whether or not a Bluetooth mouse was given CPU cycle precedence would depend entirely upon how the Bluetooth protocol stack was developed, wouldn't it?

Entirely correct. I can have 100% utilization on both cores on my computer and my bluetooth mouse is still perfectly responsive. I have seen no difference between rf and bluetooth wireless mices in this respect.

Running: Dell D630/Core 2 Duo T7250/Logitech V470/4Gb ram/30Gb OCZ Vertex/Ubuntu 9.04

Murhpy (5, Funny)

mrbene (1380531) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768969)

Your decision to move to a system that requires an independent power supply (batteries) is an invitation to Murphy to send his law to your house / place of work at the most inopportune moment.

Oh, and radiation. I'm sure it'll kill you too. Bluetooth will force you to visit your dentist too.

Plus what are you going to fight off the ninjas with if you don't have a mouse cord?

Holy surrealism, bantha!

Mobile = bluetooth (1)

Mutio (1204504) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768973)

I have used multiple mice, from high-end logitech gaming mice to the cheapest available bluetooth mouse. I prefer a wired mouse for desk use, but for a portable platform such as a macbook i would definitely recommend a bluetooth mouse. In my experience they have not been laggy or jumped. Also you dont realize how annoying the dongle is until you have to deal with it while on the road.

Bluetooth (1)

DeadPixels (1391907) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768977)

Go with Bluetooth. While USB wireless mice can be good, if you're not looking for anything terribly fancy, a Bluetooth mouse will more than suit your needs. I also recommend getting rechargeable batteries - some mice go through batteries ridiculously quickly, so it's a great investment to get two pairs of rechargeable AAs or AAAs. Keep one pair charging until you need them, then swap - no downtime at all.

Re:Bluetooth (1)

cakefragment (1484945) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769199)

I'll add that it's a good idea to get low self-discharge batteries for a wireless mouse. I get a good three months between battery changes, and a spare set of standard NiMH battery could be dead by then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_self-discharge_NiMH_battery [wikipedia.org]

Highly Uneven (4, Informative)

ewhac (5844) | more than 5 years ago | (#27768995)

I did some rudimentary research on this question about a year ago, except I was looking for a Bluetooth mouse to use with my ThinkPad. All the reviews I could find for Bluetooth mice seemed to point to a common set of problems:
  • Battery life is poor,
  • There is always an annoying wake-up delay,
  • They average 50-100% more expensive than their non-Bluetooth counterparts.

Based on these findings, and my own experience in the embedded arena, I would hazard a guess that all these Bluetooth mouse vendors are using the same embedded microcontroller, probably with the same embedded firmware. Hence, they all suffer from similar problems.

The only mouse's reviews that didn't seem to mention these issues (at least, not as bad as the others) was Apple's wireless MightyMouse. Of course, the MightyMouse has its own set of issues, such as the pretend secondary button, but if you can work around it, it's kinda sorta not too bad.

Again, this was about a year ago. I don't know if things have improved since then.

Schwab

Same issue (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769019)

I was looking for a nice low cost Bluetooth keyboard/mouse combo. I remember seeing a number of them about 2 years ago. Now, that I want to switch to it, I am not seeing it.

Uh, Bluetooth is a kind of Wireless (1)

corsec67 (627446) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769021)

Unless there is a wired kind of Bluetooth, should the title be "Bluetooth and non-Bluetooth wireless mice"?

Or would I be wrong to say that I prefer USB mice over wired mice?

My main complaint with Bluetooth mice (4, Informative)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769041)

I've used... 4? 5? different Bluetooth mice with my Powerbook and MacBook Pro over the past several years. The biggest issue I've had, with the lone exception of Apple's Wireless Mighty Mouse, is that Bluetooth mice take a significant amount of time (often a few seconds) to "wake up" once they've gone into power saving mode.

I've observed this same issue with Microsoft's Bluetooth Mouse (Intellimouse Explorer, IIRC), a Bluetake mouse, a Dell mouse (not sure who makes it for them), and another mouse whose lineage escapes me. If the mice haven't been moved for several minutes, you have to wave them back and forth like a madman for several seconds before they'll start to respond again.

It's certainly not an inescapable shortcoming of Bluetooth, because my Mighty Mouse doesn't have this issue - if you start to move the mouse, it responds immediately, even if it's been inactive for minutes or hours.

The Mighty Mouse has another shortcoming, unfortunately. The scrollball design is really cool and intuitive... until it gets gummed up and stops working in one direction. This WILL happen to you, repeatedly.

I love my Mighty Mouse... except when I hate it. Right now my scrollball is gummed up again, so I'm in the "hate it" camp at the moment.

Re:My main complaint with Bluetooth mice (1)

penguinchris (1020961) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769065)

I was wary of that problem before I tried a bluetooth mouse too - but as I wrote in my post below, with the Microsoft offering, in my experience (I've used it for over a year) it doesn't show that lag. I don't know about the one you tried, but after it's gone into sleep mode it takes less than a second to wake up again, which I imagine is similar to the mighty mouse.

Re:My main complaint with Bluetooth mice (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769103)

The Microsoft mouse I had was the first Bluetooth mouse I ever owned - and I think it was Microsoft's first shot at making a BT mouse. It's certainly possible their rev 2 and later products might be better in that regard.

BTW have they figured out yet that an on/off switch is a good thing to have on a battery-powered device? Cuz that first mouse didn't have one...

Re:My main complaint with Bluetooth mice (1)

oDDmON oUT (231200) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769107)

"The scrollball design is really cool and intuitive... until it gets gummed up and stops working in one direction. This WILL happen to you, repeatedly."

Agreed. I have a client with this problem. What is your solution to unsticking it?

Re:My main complaint with Bluetooth mice (4, Informative)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769257)

"The scrollball design is really cool and intuitive... until it gets gummed up and stops working in one direction. This WILL happen to you, repeatedly."

Agreed. I have a client with this problem. What is your solution to unsticking it?

Put some alcohol on a lint-free cloth, lay it flat on a table, then roll the mouse around upside-down on it so that the scroll ball is being rolled around. The alcohol seems to free up a lot of the lint and dirt that gets in there.

Re:My main complaint with Bluetooth mice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769431)

This actually worked quite well for me, except that the alcohol seemed to dissolve some contact surface somewhere inside the mouse, after which the middle button stopped working.

Re:My main complaint with Bluetooth mice (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769197)

One more for the gummed up mouse crowd. I swear. I hate absolutly hate it when it gums up. Other times it's a dream. The virtual second button problem isn't a hassle when you've given up gaming too. It's an irritation. But not a show stopper. The squeeze for 4th mouse button is neat though. Beats all other 4th mouse button options I've used

Re:My main complaint with Bluetooth mice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769395)

Disagree about the wake-up time issue. My wireless Mighty Mouse (synced to a MacBook Pro) takes at least 2 or 3 seconds to wake up once a button is pushed.

I have also experienced the same scrollball issues that you mention. The ball often stops working in one direction (always up or down, but never both at the same time). It's highly annoying to the point where I will probably go with a different brand of mouse if/when the current one needs replacing.

Bluetooth is the way to go (4, Informative)

penguinchris (1020961) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769043)

I have the Microsoft "Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000" and it is pretty good. It definitely looked like the best reasonably priced bluetooth mouse I could find - it really is surprising that the selection is so poor. I think they haven't pushed them into the market as much as they could have, especially now that everyone knows what bluetooth is because of cell phone headsets (even though those make you look stupid ;) ). I'm a linux user, but you have to give Microsoft credit where it is due - they may make a terrible OS, but their mouse division is excellent. I prefer their mice over all the other brands.

Anyway - it works great. In use it feels no different than the "Laser Mouse 6000" I use when at home (the bluetooth one also uses laser, which I've found is actually nicer to use than LED optical), other than being smaller, of course. So there is absolutely no loss of precision - I've used it to make minute photo edits without a problem. And I've never run into interference. I mean, you're probably going to use it right next to the computer, so you should have an excellent signal. I have, however, used it from 20-30 feet across the room with my laptop hooked up to a projector, and it still had the same precision and no interference.

As you may have figured out from above, I don't use the bluetooth mouse when I'm at home at my desk. I have a USB hub with a few things plugged into it, including the Laser Mouse 6000, so I just plug that in when I get home with my laptop. That's because a full-size mouse is easier to use, not because the performance is any different, and it's also to save batteries. However, the battery life is actually excellent - with normal usage, the two AAA batteries the mouse uses last several months or more for me.

Apparently some bluetooth mice go inactive after a while, and take a couple seconds to respond again. As you can imagine, this would be annoying. With this one, though, while it does go on standby after several minutes, it starts responding again in under a second. It's never annoyed me because of that.

Pairing it with the computer works flawlessly as well; after the initial pairing all I have to do is switch it on and it starts working after just a second or two, with no intervention required. Of course, bluetooth is partially broken in KDE 4.2 and it takes some fiddling, but that has nothing to do with the mouse and I assume with OSX it works.

Finally - I don't like the idea of having to plug in a little receiver. It wastes a USB port, which are often lacking on laptops, and it would surely be easy to lose. Besides those mice being cheaper, I simply don't understand why you'd want to add another thing when your computer already has bluetooth built in.

Re:Bluetooth is the way to go (1)

phcrack (207416) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769297)

I'm using a Notebook Mouse 5000 right now with OS X. I also use it with Ubuntu on another partition. Works perfectly, and you can even set the thumb button (button 4) up just like any other mouse.

I Windows Vista and 7 I have to delete the mouse and re-add it every time I restart the computer. For some reason it won't stay paired. Odd that an MS mouse doesn't work with Windows, but does with everything else.

Re:Bluetooth is the way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769319)

I concur--the "Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000" is a fantastic bluetooth mouse with great performance.

Unfortunately, MS doesn't seem to make an equivalent full-size mouse that works well with Mac (the bluetooth 8000 series gets mixed reviews), and I also revert to a USB wireless mouse when I get my MacBook Pro back to my desk.

Re:Bluetooth is the way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769443)

Agreed. I have owned the Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 8000 for nearly two years and I adore it.

- The battery lasts for weeks at a time (often a month or more) and if you use a rechargeable battery it can be charged by leaving your mouse on the included base at night.

- It has a convenient on/off switch on the bottom so you don't drain the batteries during transport.

- It is full-sized, which is important to me. They have smaller options as the parent mentions.

- It has two extra buttons and all buttons are fully programmable.

- It is an ambidextrous design.

The only con is that the button function of the scrollwheel, the press-to-click one, requires too much pressure to be useful. But the two customizable buttons on the sides are well-located and feel great.

It pairs with my ThinkPad's built-in Bluetooth adapter and uses the MS Intellipoint software to program the buttons - which, by the way, can handle a different set of button function mappings for each application if you ask it to. And all I have to do when I pull it out of my bag is flick the switch on the bottom. About two seconds later I'm mousing happily away.

Anonymus Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769063)

I tried a Logitech's bluetooth device and it stopped working after a while. I had to restart my bluetooth on a computer. I asked around and some of my colleagues have had the similar problem. Then now i have a logitech IR mouse and it works like a charm.

All Logitech Bluetooths have a common problem (3, Informative)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769071)

I've used 3 mice in their range.

The problem is the mouse goes to sleep very quickly (only a few minutes) and then misses movements for quite a time (perhaps 1/4 second) when waking. It tries to compensate by getting the first movement it recognizes and multiplying it up, so your first movement when the mouse wakes is usually a huge jump in one direction.

Also, they don't seem to use terribly good optical sensors in their Bluetooth mice, they have more trouble with surfaces than any other logitech made in the last two years.

The only Bluetooth mice that don't have this problem are Apple's, but they don't have real buttons on them.

I still use a Logitech Bluetooth mouse on my Mac Mini, but I keep wishing for something better.

Low profile was key (1)

oDDmON oUT (231200) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769085)

Since I used to schlep my MBP to work every day I went with the VX Nano over a year ago. When I bought my second MBP I was hooked and bought another (Circuit City close-out, red, without the glide wheel, @ $29).

Battery life is about 4 months with the original, well over that with the newer model, as it take AA's vs. AAA's.

They have surprising range as well, I can stretch out on the floor five feet away or more away from my home set up, and run VLC to play .mkv files just fine.

Macin and windozin... (2)

M0b1u5 (569472) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769087)

I am a Windoze and Mac OSX user. New PC. Older Mac...

Alhtough I have not used BT mouse on the Mac, I have extensive experience with BT mouse/Keyboard on the PC.

I won't get another BT setup. It's that simple.

Because it works most of the time, and when it doesn't it is a cow. This has been with Logitech almost exclusively. So, the fault may be with Logitech itself> I have never ceased to be amazed at how complete and utter shit the Logitech drivers are, juxtaposed against the amazing hardware they make.

For my money, the VX Nano mouse with the world's smallest USB receiver is the single best laptop mouse money can buy. It is superb. Especially on the Mac.

My only complaint is that the VX nano uses the middle click to exclusively switch between free-wheel and notched scrolling mode. This is a dire and severe flaw, and it should be controlled by drivers, not the device! Retards.

The VX Revolution wireless for the main PC is absolutely stunning, but once again the Logitech drivers will, from time to time drop all your settings, forget you exclude ALL applications from the control list - making your buttons go whack when you are in a long list of apps.

Battery life is monumental - espcially for the VX Nano. It has a power button, but you don't need it. 2 x AAA rechargeables run the thing for weeks and weeks of solid use. And the low battery indicator probably shows for longer than most mice will run with a full set.

The VX Revolution battery lasts at least 4 weeks between charges, and that's with full time use.

So, I'd say for get the BT, and just go wireless. The range of mices is better, and you'll end up with more hair on your head.

You're still gonna lose some hair because of the whack drivers - but hey. Nothing's perfect.

don't lose a USB port (1)

Councilor Hart (673770) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769109)

Go for the bluetooth thingy. You won't lose a USB port, and you won't get annoyed by this stupid radio receiver which sits 5 cm away from your mouse. You might as well take a wired mouse, since the wired radio receiver will still clutter up your workspace and claim a USB port. Stupidest thing I ever bought.

Don't use BT if you plan on doing anything else (1)

bmajik (96670) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769111)

Mother in law has the apple wireless desktop, which includes a BT (afaik) mouse.

I started transferring pictures off of a BT phone onto the mac. The mouse became unusable. It was like using windows 3.0 while formatting a floppy disk. You'd move the mouse all the way across the desk; it would move about 1" on the screen.

If you ever do anything else with bluetooth, i'd avoid a BT mouse.

I've got a MS wireless mouse and a logitech wireless mouse. The logitech doesn't work at long distances very well (its setup in my HTPC room and from the couch its performance is spotty). Every few months it will forget that it knows about the PC it's attached to and you have to re-sync it.

What is wrong with wire? (4, Informative)

DaleCooper82 (860396) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769117)

Seriously. After experimenting with multiple BT and IR wireless mice in the past I have returned to having one regular wired one for desktop and smaller one for the road.

Problems with both BT and IR:

  • you must have spare batteries ready. Otherwise your mouse will behave erratically and/or go dead at the most unconvenient moment
  • because of batteries it is heavier than wired one. After a full day heavy use you feel the difference.

IR mouse has further disadvantage that there must be visibility between the USB thingy and your mouse.

Therefore if you are organized (i.e. never forget to take spare batteries and never put anything between mouse and USB thingy) athlete (doing arm training) go for wireless.

If you are disorganized nerd like me, keep wired one.

Related Question: Interference in a Lab? (1)

DavidD_CA (750156) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769123)

I have a related question someone might have experience with.

If a lab of computers (maybe a dozen in close proximity) is equipped with wireless mice, will there be interference or are modern wireless mice smarter than that?

Would using BlueTooth be better than wireless? Or should we just stick to wired?

Re:Related Question: Interference in a Lab? (2, Informative)

taucross (1330311) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769513)

I set up a training workshop with a number of cheap Microsoft mice, and yes, they did interfere with each other. These were standard RF, not Bluetooth. I would venture to say Bluetooth mice uniquely pair with your PC and would not have the same problem, though someone else may correct me.

The upside however was that the range was fairly small so I was able to separate them enough to minimise interference. I would still probably recommend wired mice if you're going to have a lot of them, though.

I have both, use bluetooth for subjective reasons (1)

egork (449605) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769129)

Bluetooth (BT V470) mouse seems to be heavier and less responsive. It obviously draws more power, so uses two AA batteries. The proprietary (RF Laser MX or smth.) mouse - two AAA. The wheel of the BT mouse can not be set to free rotation, but there are handy FF and REW events generated by tilting the wheel. Also BT seems to have higher latency to wake up after put to rest for a while.

I would say RF mouse should be superior to BT in almost all regards. Except that I still ended up using the BT. May be because I find it somehow cool to use BT with Linux :-)

Bluetooth is perfect! (1)

skeffstone (1299289) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769131)

I have a Razer Pro|Click bluetooth mouse and to me it's working pretty well. The battery life seems excellent, I can probably go two months without changing batteries. It uses 2 AA batteries. An improvement possibility there, with li-ion rechargeable, but then you'd add some cost. Bluetooth though, is simply brilliant. I never think about the connection. My laptop has always-on bluetooth, together with the wifi, so I just flip on the mouse itself and 3 seconds later I can move it around. The accuracy for office work is adequate, but I have one annoyance with it: Every once in a while, it freezes. Either it unfreezes by itself after 10 seconds, or I have to switch the mouse off and on. It's one reason, that while doing CAD design, I prefer a wired mouse which never fails.

Bluetooth the clear winner (1)

leamanc (961376) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769133)

You've basically answered your own question, by pointing out that Blueooth saves a USB port, uses less battery, and doesn't require a proprietary dongle. I like Logitech's wireless USB mice a lot, but I'm on my third USB dongle lost already. For my Mac laptops I've switched to...gasp...Dell's Bluetooth mice. I just like the feel of the mouse, and the precision is pretty darn good. With a black MacBook, Dell's Bluetooth "travel mouse" coordinates pretty well.

I really can't stand Apple's Bluetooth Mighty Mouse. I don't like the feel of the mouse, or the tiny little scroll wheel, or how there are no real physical buttons. Too often it issues a standard click instead of a right-click, even though I'm pushing to the right of the scroll wheel. Guess I'm not pushing it far enough to the right of the scroll wheel...and that's just asinine.

VX Revolution (1)

venkateshkumar99 (791435) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769143)

May I suggest a mouse that I have been using for the past 1.5 years? The Logitech VX Revolution. It is one of the best (if not the best) notebook mice around right now. http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/165&cl=US,EN [logitech.com]

Re:VX Revolution (2, Insightful)

toutankh (1544253) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769301)

As a mac laptop user, I am satisfied with this mouse (Logitech VX Revolution). The driver, however, is a total disaster, as always with Logitech. Your choices are the following:

- Use the official Logitech driver+software (which takes in this case ~50mB I think), and waste some precious CPU and RAM with them. Also, it randomly resets your scrolling speed, with "randomly" being usually equal to "after a few minutes".
- Do not install any driver, just use the mac os mouse driver, which does not handle those fancy extra mouse buttons that you just paid 50$ or more (it just handles 3 buttons + 2 scrolling directions)
- Use a 3rd party driver. That's what I do with steermouse (easily found on google). It's lightweight and does exactly what the logitech driver should do. Only problem: it's not free (20$).

It's still incredible that Logitech is so great at producing hardware and so awful at writing appropriate drivers, we're not in 1996 anymore ffs.

What I know, I suffered to learn... (2, Informative)

SpzToid (869795) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769149)

FYI, I now own nearly identical spec. Logitech mice. A bluetooth and another with a little USB thing to go with it.

As an Ubuntu user, I first found www.hidpoint.com that promised to provide drivers to get my proprietary mouse to function. To date, they've never delivered a driver I can use, say in 64bit.

However to my shock and amazement, sometime a few months ago, the proprietary unit Just Worked! Seemingly it was some Ubuntu patch. I had to try on several boxes and it worked consistently. I think those hidpoint folks might redirect support accordingly perhaps, just to save everyone's time?

BUT, before this happened, because I really needed a wireless mouse, I bought a bluetooth since I used Ubuntu which Logitech CLEARLY does NOT support. Battery life sucks thick canal water!!! Like daily recharge? WTF!?

meanwhile months after the fact, I am still using the free El Cheapo batteries that came with my proprietary Logitech USB mouse, while the bluetooth mouse that costs about 175% of the proprietary model sits idle for this reason.

Logitech Nano (1)

argee (1327877) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769171)

I tried several mouses; the Logitech Nano was the easiest to set up. Works with Linux out of the box. The resolution is good, and has no "go to sleep if not used for a while" quirks. It uses a pair of AA batteries that run it for about 3 - 6 months. There are several variants, some have the tiny receiver and some a larger one. Some have just the two buttons and the clickable scroll wheel, some have more buttons. I found all the extra buttons, specially the side by side button on the wheel to be excruciatingly aggravating, and not so easy to deactivate. I've been using the Nano V450 which is plain. The quirkiest under Linux was a Microsoft Intellimouse that liked to have the pointer move randomly on the screen. But it worked ok in Windows with its proprietary driver. I gave it away to some dumb guy that uses Windows and he is happy with it.

Wireless Mighty Mouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769175)

Performance wise, I play World of Warcraft with it. It has no lag issues or other performance issues. And, since I am on a small MacBook Pro screen, I don't need a higher DPS mouse.

Battery wise? I leave one mouse on all the time. I've gone through three sets of batteries this year. Not bad.

Sleep/wake performance? As poster above, excellent. I just move it an it goes. When I put it to sleep, I just slide the infrared cover back and click the button. In moments it reconnects.

Button/scroll functionality. This can vary as it is subjective. Some love the Mighty Mouse, some do not. It did take me a while to get used to.

First, make sure you turn on two-button clicking after connecting it. I had another two-button mouse hooked up previously, but I still had to go into my Mighty Mouse settings and tell Mac OS X that, yes, this is a two-button mouse. You may also want to mess with the scroll wheel or side buttons here. (My side buttons pull up Expose -- all-windows. I love it!)

Second, the scroll wheel can take getting used to. It is sensitive -- more so than most. You can also spin it to where it keeps spinning beyond where you want it to go. (Just have to put your finger on it, but different than the less sensitive wired-mouse scroll wheels I had previously.)

It also gums up. My 1-year old mouse began doing this after about 6 or so months. This likely depends on how clean your desk area is. Mine is not clean.

To fix it, turn your mouse over and place the wheel on a clean sheet of paper. Then, proceed to roll the mouse (upside down, via the scroll wheel) along the paper in many different ways. This clears out the gunk and gets it working again.

You can find Youtube videos on this. Some also provide other methods of cleaning it.

I love my Mighty Mouse. It just makes sense if you own a Mac. I also love having my USB slots.

Sincerely,
The one Too Lazy to Log In

Microsoft mouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769183)

I'm using bluetooth mouse made by Microsoft myself with my macbook pro. It works surprisingly well, all five buttons of it. The only annoying thing compared to cheap rf-mouses is that when it goes to sleep, which happens fairly quickly after inactivity, it takes few seconds for it to reconnect. Reconnecting is done by just moving the mouse, but during the connecting time, cursor does not move.

Having stuck with wired mice for years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769191)

Having stuck with wired mice for years

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I don't know if this helps, since you aren't stuck anymore.

RF Receiver Bluetooth (1)

JYD (996651) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769195)

I have been sticking with my RF Receiver mice (Logitech VX Rev / VX Nano / G7), even though I have most branded Bluetooth mice available, including Apple Wireless Mighty Mouse, Razer Bluetooth Notebook Mouse, and the Logitech V450 bluetooth (I might have got the model number on this one here).

Anyways, after using the wireless mouse with just simple RF Receivers dedicated for that purpose, I never went back to BT Mouses, just because the tracking is usually shitty. The pairing is a pain in the ass (and no, you don't pair it only once, if you lose the connection the computer failed to pair on boot, you will have to pair it again). The latency with the bluetooth connection is unbearable (there is a definite, but minimal lag from mouse to pointer when compared to RF mouses). And no, I am not even judging bluetooth mouses to gaming standards here.

With good branded RF Mouses, connection is like wired mices, plug in the receiver and go. Lose a connection? Unplug receiver, plug receiver, continue productivity. Tracking is generally better than its bluetooth counterparts, and any mouse movement generally gives immediate feedback.

And ok, Bluetooth mouses look better overall and does not take up an USB port. But usability and ease of use suffers in turn.

MX1000 (1)

armitage787 (1405871) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769265)

My roommate had a bluetooth Logitech mx1000 and i have a rf mx1000. The difference in performance and battery life is huge. The RF mouse was sooo much better. If you are only planning on web browsing though i would imagine that it is pretty inconsequential, but if you are gaming or doing anything mouse intensive you will regret bluetooth.

Bluetooth Battles Wifi Woes (1)

MarkTBSc (1270662) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769271)

I've been using a Logitech wireless trackball for a while and it's just fine for me, but I'd probably still recommend Bluetooth. We had an incident at work recently where a new WiFi network took up a huge proportion of the available 2.4ghz spectrum and killed the mouse we used for seminars stone dead. Bluetooth has more advanced signal processing and we've replaced the old mouse with one of those.

Wrong problem? (1)

Korbeau (913903) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769285)

You got a Mac, why not deal with the core problem? :)

Re:Wrong problem? (1)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769413)

what problem? there's no problem!

Belkin sucks (1)

dargaud (518470) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769295)

At the least the belkin mouse I had. There was always a delay when moving the mouse, which makes any kind of graphic work impossible.

How many ports... (0, Flamebait)

crossmr (957846) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769321)

Does your sense of righteousness and superiority take up?

As a Mac user, bluetooth has the advantage that it won't take up a USB port

this is absolutely going to blow your mind but my 2.5 year old Dell laptop running XP has an integrated bluetooth module.

My take - haven't read the other replies. (4, Interesting)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769337)

Get Bluetooth if you have it built in. Even if you don't have it built in (which having a Mac you do) get Bluetooth. It beats having a dongle for every damned device you want to plug in (keyboard, game control, mouse, headset) the Bluetooth one can do all of it.

DO NOT get a fucking Apple Mighty Mouse. I've had a couple, great idea in theory, but not a good mouse in practice. Right click sucks. It works at first and stops working over time. If you completely remove your index finger from the mouse and click with your middle finger you can usually get a right click, or if you take out the batteries and put them back it works again. It's not worth it. The ball always gets fucked up over time, you can fix it and it will work again for a while, then fix it again, and again, and eventually, not anymore.

Get this Logitech [logitech.com] , reviewed it, you can find my review in that link, and I did chastise Logitech a bit, but when compared the other Bluetooth mice I've used that's the best.

The USB wireless mice do have one advantage. They work immediately on boot up no problem on every OS. With Bluetooth I've found that to be the case with Linux. On Mac I have to either hit the connect button while booting with the Logitech (the Mighty Mouse actually did better at this - go figure) or fidget with the buttons and hope the Mac pics up on it after a while. With Windows, well, very mixed experience there, especially when it forgets the mouse should exist.

On my Macbook Pro I always carried a mini bluetooth keyboard and a mouse in my bag, and I left a bluetooth keyboard and mouse on my work desk, used Synergy at home. I had at least 3 each keyboards and mice paired with it, they all worked great every time. I even paired a bluetooth headset with it, but that seemed to be problematic. Audio quality would degrade with time, and the applications were stupid, if the headset wasn't present it wouldn't automatically switch back to the built in or external mic/speakers. Not to mention I paired a Motorola Q, a Blackberry and an iPhone. The Q was awesome with it, surprising since it sucked all around otherwise. The Blackberry was functional, but not that great. There was no point with the iPhone. I don't even see why it's pairable.

Linux on the other hand, I've paired everything above and a PS3 Sixaxxis, the Mac I could only get that to work via USB.

I like Bluetooth, I'm pushing Logitech to support it a bit better, and I can't wait for the day the dongle dies. The electronic dongle, not my dongle.

Bluetooth ruins 802.11 networks (1)

phantomcircuit (938963) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769367)

Run a speed test before and during using a bluetooth mouse.

With the bluetooth mouse performance sucks. There is interference.

forget about the USB dongle (1)

Tom (822) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769373)

I own a wireless mouse with USB dongle, and a MacBook Pro, so I'm exactly where you want to be.

While I like the specific mouse I have a lot, if I had a choice of this mouse as bluetooth or USB, I would go with bluetooth in an instant.

When you actually travel with your notebook (and why else have one), over the years you will accumulate a good number of instances where you simply left the USB dongle at home. In your average home setup, with keyboard, mouse, iPhone, printer, etc. you have a USB hub involved, and that's usually where you'll plug in the mouse dongle. And more often than you think, that's where it'll still be when you're 300 km away, digging out our mouse and realizing it's useless.

Bluetooth for me also (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769375)

I've been using Microsoft's wireless laser mouse 8000 for the best part of year with both my work and home computers as well as my laptop and I have to say Iâ(TM)m extremely happy with it. Admittedly you have to pair it when moving between systems but that is where the pain ends.

The mouse is incredibly responsive and the only lag Iâ(TM)ve experienced is when initially booting you can have up to 5 second where the mouse is unresponsive which is not really noticeable considering you wait much more than that for windows to finish loading (and even a mac os).

Battery life is also excellent and I've left it off its charger for many weeks without the thing dying on me. But saying that the charger is not unattractive and happily sits at my desk where I can plonk the mouse on it when going off for lunch etc.

As a web designer I'm often fiddling around with images and the option of programming one of the buttons to increase the precision is a godsend allowing detailed editing and manipulation (also great when gaming).

fyi: logitech cordless desktop pro (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769401)

I do not know if the Logitech Cordless Desktop Pro works on the mac as the OP uses but I am after 5 years still satisfied with mine.

Big dongle and uses 2 USB ports. Comfortable keyboard with Logitech layout. Comfortable mouse with too few button (2+1+wheel). 2 AAA batteries for the mouse and 2 AA batteries for the keyboard. I use normal alkaline batteries because during the last five years I have changed batteries 4 times (2 times kbd and 2 times mouse) so there is no need of rechargable ones.
Proprietary wireless protocol. Doesn't go more than a meter or so, it has to lie on the desktop. Sometimes (4times a year) it behaves erratically (reacts slowly) but a few minutes later it is working alright again. Low batteries make the setup behave erratically in the same way.

FWIW

Some things to look out for with wireless mice... (1)

distantbody (852269) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769423)

Look for a mouse with:

a) a power switch
b) a short wake-up time
not to light or heavy, with a centred mass

Some mice go to sleep in as little as ten seconds and then take a second or two to wake up and start transmitting again, almost unusable because mouse use is intermittent.

Logitech proprietary ftw (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769425)

The whole reason they developed the proprietary transceivers is because, quite frankly, Bluetooth sucks for the task of mousing. Go proprietary. The new transceivers are tiny, they barely even stick out of the USB port, and the power usage is lower than a typical USB transceiver.

Good proprietary RF is much better than Bluetooth (1)

_vSyncBomb (50710) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769441)

I have experience with lots and lots of mice, because for several years I went on a tear of buying a new mounse every couple months looking for one that didn't suck.

I finally settled down on two:

1.) Logitec MX Revolution "desktop mouse" (by which they mean non-changeable battery that needs charging cradle).

2.) Logitec VX Nano laptop mouse.

Note that on the Mac, these mice come with software that is not only the very worst mouse driver ever produced by humans, but is some of the worst software ever made, period. It will crash your whole Mac (kernel panics), and break OS upgrades in a grey-screen-of-infinity (google "logitech unsanity").

That made me really try my hardest not to buy them, but in the end I think the MX Revolution is the best mouse HARDWARE yet made. You need a third party shareware driver; I use Steermouse.

Pros of proprietary:
1) Instantaneous connection; no pairing and weird unpairing.
2) Available mice are better.
3) Better battery life (in my unscientific testing with a few mice of each type).
4) The fucking mouse doesn't stop working from time to time for no reason.
5) The newest smallest dongles are so small you can still slide your notebook into a sleeve case.
6) No jiggle-jiggle-wait dance while your mouse rouses itself from its battery-saving slumber, as with Bluetooth.

Cons:
A) Lose the itty-bitty dongle and your mouse is useless.
B) Takes a USB port.
C) It's proprietary.

Apple, of course, has a funny history with mice: after basically introducing the mouse the the general computer user, they then proceeded to stick with the retard-oriented one-button mouse for years and years, and also designed some of the very worst mouse hardware in human history (perfectly round hockey puck iMac mouse).

Their latest offerings still suck horrifically in my opinion; I have many wired and wireless "Mighty Mouse" turds, but wouldn't every really use one.

I don't like making myself a Logitech customer, mainly because their software is so fucking bad that somebody should have to do a few weekends in jail for it, but the combo of their best mice with somebody else's driver is the best thing going on the Mac, I think.

Two things that I am still looking for:

a) Fucking charge the fucking mouse with a standard fucking USB cable please (mini-USB is fine).

b) Fucking put a vaginal USB port on the ass-end of the penile one, making it a little one port USB hub that is every bit as tiny as the current smallest dongles, so that we don't need to give up a USB port.

c) The Mighty Mouse does do a good job of scrolling in all directions, not just up and down. The Logitechs can do that too, but they have a tilt-wheel kinda awkward going left and right.

Bonus Note: The Logitech MX Revolution has a cool feature whereby if you flick the scroll-wheel hard, it disengages the resistance and really flies, scrolling through many many pages (it scrolls for like 7 seconds or so). Move it normally, and it operates normally. Press it and it is button 3 like a normal mouse.

This is really cool, and you will use it all the time once used to it; flick hard, scroll scroll scroll, and then tap the wheel gently to stop it. Really reduces how many times you have to bend your finger, and feels cool to boot.

However, I think the default turd Logitech drivers set this up differently, where you push the scroll wheel to toggle scroll modes, instead of having it auto-sense by the force of your scroll. That is stupid, since it breaks the button-3 functionality and feels clumsy, too. The cool way I have it set up might be a feature of my driver, Steermouse. I can't be positive since I would never install the Logitech driver to find out.

Bluetooth and 802.11 both use 2.4GHz (1)

phizi0n (1237812) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769453)

Bluetooth and 802.11 (wifi) both use 2.4 GHz spectrum and interfere with one another. Some routers have "bluetooth coexistence mode" to weave 802.11 transmissions into time slots that it doesn't expect nearby bluetooth devices to use but it's better to just avoid bluetooth for a mouse imo. The FCC filing for my Logitech MX700 shows that it uses 27 MHz https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/tcb/GetTcb731Report.do?applicationId=463065&fcc_id='JNZ211596 [fcc.gov] '

Bluetooth lag? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769457)

I found that at least my bluetooth mouse can lag badly if further than three feet from the computer's BT antennae or has any (even small) obstacle. I've tried this on about 4 computers and it seems to be the same with each.

Otherwise, it works really well.

Bluetooth key sharing between OSs on same machine? (1)

Elrond, Duke of URL (2657) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769459)

Does anybody who dual-boots have a solution for the shared Bluetooth adapter MAC address pairing problem?

That is, currently I have a nice set of BT stereo headphones and soon (hopefully) a BT mouse. When I pair in Linux, it generates a key which is unique to the MACs of the adapter and the device and stores the key on both PC and BT device.

Now, what happens when I reboot into Vista? It doesn't know it has been paired, but the BT headphones *do* think they are still paired to the BT adapter that is present. These particular headphones are capable of remembering five hosts, but in this case the adapter (host) hasn't changed, only the OS.

I guess the solution is to manually force Vista/Linux to use a previously known key file. In this case, I know where Linux stores its BT pairing keys, but try as I might I cannot find where Vista stores this information. Google hasn't been able to help me here, either. I assume it's buried somewhere deep within the darkness of the registry, but where?

Without this fix, I have to re-pair my BT headphones every time I want to use them in a different OS on the same machine, and then re-pair yet again when I boot back into Linux. I'll probably have to do the same dance for a BT mouse, which will dramatically reduce its usefulness... :(

So... surely I'm not the only one to run into this. Anybody else with ideas/solutions?

Range is a factor. (1)

MrKneebone (911473) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769463)

I tried a few standard cordless mice, and had to go to bluetooth to get further than about 1.8 metres or 6'. The garden variety ones wouldn't reach from my home theatre PC to the coffee table. If you want to use it for presentations or at least from a distance, make sure to check the range - although most boxes won't state any distance/range.

I prefer non-bluetooth (1)

goldcd (587052) | more than 5 years ago | (#27769475)

Mainly as it doesn't involve messing about with drivers.
Put teensy dongle into your PC and as far as it's aware there's a physically wired mouse and keyboard plugged in.
Doesn't matter what OS, whether it's POSTing, whether your BT module has decided to wake up etc etc. You have a working mouse and keyboard. Maybe Bluetooth has improved since I last tried - put I really can't see the advantage (and seemingly neither can the marketplace).

God almighty! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27769499)

It's just a bloody mouse. Pick one! You sound like the kind of fool who will just loose the dongle anyway, so go for the bluetooth.

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