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Windows 7 RC Rush Crashes MSDN, TechNet Pages

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the unimited-desires-v-limited-resources dept.

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CWmike writes "Microsoft Developers Network (MSDN) and TechNet paid subscribers were supposed to find the 32- and 64-bit editions of Windows 7 RC available for download today. But in a snafu reminiscent of the problems Microsoft had in January when it tried to launch Windows 7 Beta, the download pages for the release candidate were inaccessible, despite numerous attempts over an hour-long span up until about noon Eastern. TechNet and MSDN subscribers were not happy. 'Man, this stinks,' said a user identified as Lyle Pratt, on a TechNet message forum at 10 a.m. ET. 'I can't believe we can still bring MSDN to its knees!' said John Butler, a Microsoft partner. 'Surely, they should be able to deal with this? Not a good advert for Microsoft.' The Windows 7 RC is slated to be available for public download next Tuesday, May 5. Meanwhile, Microsoft said today that the RC would operate until June 2010, for 13 months of free use — a significantly longer time than it did with Vista's previews."

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Torrent? (5, Funny)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780641)

Torrent links anyone?

Re:Torrent? (5, Interesting)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780821)

I suspected the end user alpha release being "slashdotted" was a lame marketing game but if MSDN goes down, MS can't really maintain it, for real. For obvious reasons, they won't do the logical choice of running light httpd (Unix, God forbid) or similar on download server, they won't even bother calling Akamai.

Nobody can blame them for not offering a torrent though. Thanks to MPAA/RIAA and various ISPs, P2P, especially torrent is an issue for large companies. If Apple used P2P to distribute very large OS updates (e.g. combo ones, XCode), we could blame MS for not using the option. Ask Apple why they don't use.

BTW lets say you find a torrent from 3rd party, did the MS post its checksum (whatever system they use) to the download page or somewhere at site? I mean it doesn't look very right to "pirate" an operating system which has a huge industry abusing it. People torrenting it should either get MD5 from a trusted friend or MS. There are several "trojaned" Windows out there. It is the easiest way to have your own zombie army.

Commercial torrent is CDN (2, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780935)

Nobody can blame them for not offering a torrent though. Thanks to MPAA/RIAA and various ISPs, P2P, especially torrent is an issue for large companies.

Steam uses torrents.

Most large companies do not use torrents because they are a little complex for most users - the equivilent is that they use a CDN to distribute the content across many servers, served locally to the user (I know it's not exactly the same but it has a similar effect of distributing load). I wonder if Microsoft was using a CDN or trying to host everything locally.

Re:Commercial torrent is CDN (3, Interesting)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781005)

Apple could embed libtorrent and use its functionality (just like rtorrent) in Software Update which is a dedicated GUI application. Perhaps they know all kinds of junk will happen to their customers such as throttling, letters and even "cable modem freeze" the day they use that system for such general purpose operating system updates.

It is not simplicity, we have a company which can pack Mach/NeXT/FreeBSD and Carbon, get Unix 03 certificate and sell it as "World's easiest operating system". They sure know how to make things look simple.

Re:Commercial torrent is CDN (1)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781163)

"cable modem freeze"

The main cause of this is having the number of concurrent connections too high. If you set the default pretty low (10-20?), then most users shouldn't see any issues.

Another aspect, potential security... (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781171)

Apple could embed libtorrent and use its functionality (just like rtorrent) in Software Update which is a dedicated GUI application.

True, since Steam also has basically an embedded torrent client... I think another possible reason might be they don't want the possibility of anyone injecting anything into the torrent. A CDN keeps things simple from their end and locks things down a little more.

Re:Commercial torrent is CDN (4, Informative)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781137)

Steam uses a CDN, not torrents.

WoW uses bittorrent for the weekly patches though.

Thanks, that's the one (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781889)

Thanks for the correction, it was WOW I was thinking of and not steam. Got them mixed up as I don't really use either myself...

Re:Commercial torrent is CDN (1)

Frools (1326479) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781421)

Steam uses torrents.

Uhmm, no it doesn't?

Re:Torrent? (1)

f0dder (570496) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780955)

Why is Blizzard able to pull it off with their hack version of a p2p for WoW updates?

Re:Torrent? (2, Interesting)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781143)

I suspect there is something going on with the packet identification in regard to WoW updates. Large ISPs are running very advanced systems to do such "conspire torrent downloaders" tricks and they could be identifying the WoW updates. Or more basically, ISP could be shutting down "conspire P2P" switch when Blizzard does updates.

I have actually used (via VNC) an American friend's system since I had hard time believing that his connection loses its mind when he runs torrent. It was amazing thing to see and I told him to change his ISP if possible. It was the period when they did the RSET trick.

Re:Torrent? (1)

malkir (1031750) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781995)

Do you think the ISP has an army of nerds in direct contact with Blizzard to 'turn off' conspire p2p when WoW patches? Not likely.

Re:Torrent? (2, Interesting)

Anpheus (908711) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780969)

Microsoft and Akamai have a friendly relationship, but because they want to control the distribution they release everything on their site. That's something you really, truly, cannot do with torrents, because you can write your own torrent that ignores the tracker's rules on DHT.

No matter what your distribution method, you have to remember that they are distributing hundreds of terabytes of data over a tenuous and fragile internet infrastructure. It may not even be Microsoft's links that are failing when you start talking about that much data.

Re:Torrent? (1)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781215)

That's something you really, truly, cannot do with torrents, because you can write your own torrent that ignores the tracker's rules on DHT.

Nobody would bother. This isn't like on private sites, where you can hack your client into reporting that you uploaded 2TB today to give you more credit, the only benefit from using a hacked client on MS's servers is a possibility that you'll acquire peers more quickly.

Re:Torrent? (1)

Anpheus (908711) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781931)

DHT allows trackerless distribution. That's why I mentioned it.

Re:Torrent? (1)

Anachragnome (1008495) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781413)

"...I suspected the end user alpha release being "slashdotted" was a lame marketing game but if MSDN goes down,..."

Eh?

Surely, you are not suggesting that Microsoft intentionally brought down their own server to give the impression people were crowding in line to download the RC?

That would be like a politician, up for re-election, committing Seppuku to impress voters (Hey, we can dream, can we not?)

Re:Torrent? (2, Interesting)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781495)

Why would Microsoft PAY to not have this happen? Everybody who wants the RC will get it, in time. And now they have free publicity too.

I am not MS-head, but from what I gather, the MSDN works just fine under normal load.

Re:Torrent? (2, Informative)

w0mprat (1317953) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782219)

Nobody can blame them for not offering a torrent though

<blame>

Microsoft could use their own customized download tool that leverages bittorrent, but does not require publishing a .torrent file to the web or to torrent search engines for use with a non-Microsoft download client. For example the tool could pick up the torrent file from authorized servers only. I think there is really little excuse other than not undermining the anti-piracy FUD engine

</blame>

Re:Torrent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781271)

Torrent links anyone?

Try here [thepiratebay.org]

Re:Torrent? (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782429)

But...that's the 32-bit version...

WTF? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27780655)

Why the fuck is this on the /. front page?

Re:WTF? (4, Insightful)

Joe U (443617) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780727)

Because it's what 80% of the world will be running in about a year?

Re:WTF? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27780765)

Because it's what 80% of the world will be running in about a year?

Not if it doesn't sell better than Vista didn't.

Re:WTF? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781135)

Yet, Vista's market share is still growing. GNU/Linux? Comatose, like always.

Re:WTF? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781717)

Yet, Vista's market share is still growing. GNU/Linux? Comatose, like always.

Good God, the Microsoft astroturfers are out in force today, aren't they?

Re:WTF? (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782205)

No, what the GP said is true.

You just have to look at the reason why: it's pre-installed on new computers from the major brands (Dell, HP, etc...) by default.

Re:WTF? (4, Insightful)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781351)

But that was the point of Vista: to make whatever came next look revolutionary.

Because it's funny as you trying to fuck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781433)

Yoyoyo!

Not thinking (4, Insightful)

Joe U (443617) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780679)

Microsoft releases Vista/2008 SP2 AND Windows 7 RC AND Windows 2008 R2 RC AND Virtual PC RC AND the Windows 7 SDK on the same day and they don't expect to have bandwidth problems?

Geez, what were they thinking? SP2 should have come out on RTM day, that would at least cut a few hundred mb downloads out of the picture.

Re:Not thinking (4, Insightful)

Malc (1751) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780835)

It's called Content Delivery Network, and in this case, Microsoft are using Akamai. Bandwidth shouldn't be a problem. I'm downloading Win 7 right now. People need to get a life... so what if they can't download at this very moment an RC of an unreleased OS? This isn't story isn't news; move on.

Re:Not thinking (2, Insightful)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781065)

In "consumer alpha" slashdotting issue, people found the file and posted its link, directly from Akamai. Sorry for forgetting it in my post. The link worked perfectly and they downloaded it very good speed.

You know what was the issue? Their Windows server processing, the "key generation" part and the "passport sign in" part. It could be similar issue today and if you ask me, if it is the issue, people trusting their scalability issues (win 2008 downloaders) should think again.

Re:Not thinking (0, Troll)

dimeglio (456244) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781307)

MS probably thought nobody would care about Windows 7. Especially with the new series of Apple's I'm a Mac ads.

Re:Not thinking (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781655)

I'll contribute my share by not downloading Windows 7, or Vista, or any other Windows.

Re:Not thinking (0, Redundant)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780909)

They could use the same (or similar) system which Apple uses for OS X updates, HD Movie Downloads, Music Distribution and recently 1 billion hit App Store. It is Akamai/Edgesuite. Apple uses their own XServe for regular, dynamic content and offloads to Akamai (EdgeSuite) for big files. Nobody questions them for that decision as it is the logical thing to do. Just imagine the load of distributing 1 billion downloads in a completely random manner. It is just "app store". Now add HD Movies, World's most popular music store offering lossless files etc.

Of course, we all know the OS such large content distributors run. Let me write straight, they don't want to be in position of using Unix based hosting from third party to distribute their all new cool Windows 7 beta and more importantly, Windows server.

We see what happens though :)

Re:Not thinking (4, Informative)

Malc (1751) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781013)

Microsoft are using Akamai. Don't speculate, look at the URL in the Download Manager file that comes from the MSDN site, or look at the connections Download Manager has open during the download.

Re:Not thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781311)

Microsoft are using Akamai. Don't speculate, look at the URL in the Download Manager

Any chance you could post that URL? :)

Re:Not thinking (0)

AnalPerfume (1356177) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782131)

Perhaps they thought it would be as popular as Vista where you could see the virtual tumbleweed bouncing across the inside of the hard drive.

Re:Not thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27782233)

Typical microshit; can't get anything right.

Oh yeah... (1)

Clopnixus (1276606) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780683)

I'm a PC... Windows with no boundaries... er.. well...um...

Zomg have to have it the first day! (4, Funny)

Knara (9377) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780697)

Buncha consumerist lemmings :)

Re:Zomg have to have it the first day! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27782123)

This is why pirates can never fully outcompete the original software provider. They're always a few hours behind (except when the company screws up, see Wolverine)

ITS A TRAP!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27780711)

Consider this, you download and install the Win 7 RC OS, and you like it. So you keep it on your computer cuz hey its free, for now. 2010 comes around, windows 7 is officially launched, you boot up your computer and ... nothing. Now you have to pay $200 (or 300 or 400). Oops, probably should have kept XP around eh?

Re:ITS A TRAP!!! (2, Insightful)

Joe U (443617) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780787)

Does your XP disc dissolve at some point in the next 13 months?

If you're smart enough to get the RC running, you know how to re-install XP.

Re:ITS A TRAP!!! (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780827)

I thought most computers nowadays aren't even sold with a disc...they come with software to help you burn a backup disc of your own but the vast majority of people never even bother to do it.

Re:ITS A TRAP!!! (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781513)

Dell went through a phase of making you burn the CDs yourself (and my parents own a couple of dells from that era) but they seem to have gone back to shipping them now (and unlike some vendors it's a proper windows CD/DVD that they ship).

I think every other PC new PC i've seen came with some form of reinstall CD/DVDs. Sometimes it's only a "wipe everything and restore to factory stage" CD/DVD though :( (and one downgraded optiplex I ordered through uni for a project there only seemed to come with the vista CD not the XP CD, OTOH the downgraded vostro my brother bought more recently came with both CDs)

Re:ITS A TRAP!!! (1)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780949)

If you're smart enough to get the RC running, you know how to re-install XP.

Also, if you're smart enough to get the RC running, you know how to get your data off a hard drive with a disabled OS.

The OS isn't dead and all your data is intact... (4, Funny)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781091)

Which part of "insert credit card to continue" is confusing you?

Re:The OS isn't dead and all your data is intact.. (1)

kyuubi42 (1424889) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781191)

probably the fact that microsoft has said that you can't switch directly from the RC to the full version, same as you can't go directly from the beta to the RC.

Re:The OS isn't dead and all your data is intact.. (1)

Frools (1326479) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781451)

Actually you can
Microsoft [msdn.com] even tell you how! (last bit)

Re:ITS A TRAP!!! (1)

Joe U (443617) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781195)

If you ignore the zillions of warning messages you get between now and next year, you deserve to have a disabled OS.

Which, by the way won't be disabled, you'll still be able to boot up to copy files.

Windows 7 will be successful (0, Troll)

greekBruin (998483) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780729)

If there is so much interest for the RC then it seems that Windows 7 will be VERY successful!

Re:Windows 7 will be successful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781035)

If there is so much interest for the RC then it seems that Windows 7 will be VERY successful!

Geez, just change your sig to "Microsoft Bob".

How much did you get paid for that bit of astroturf, you whore?

Re:Windows 7 will be successful (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781105)

(unless it's just a Microsoft trick to make people believe exactly that...)

Re:Windows 7 will be successful (5, Funny)

MaggieL (10193) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781293)

You can often count on MSFT to sell you a partial solution to a problem they sold you.

Re:Windows 7 will be successful (2, Funny)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782149)

You can often count on MSFT to sell you a partial solution to a problem they sold you.

Oh, that's right, they sell anti-virus software [live.com] now, don't they?

The Crystal Ball (1, Interesting)

westlake (615356) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782221)

If there is so much interest for the RC then it seems that Windows 7 will be VERY successful!

Windows 7 can already claim a 0.21% share of the desktop or about 1/5 that of Linux, all flavors. Operating System Market Share [hitslink.com]

Just a tad embarrassing for the geek should the RC overtake Linux over the next thirteen months.

I would like to see an XP VM in all OEM consumer versions of 64 bit Win 7.

That kind of double whammy - have your cake and eat it too - in the home and SOHO markets would be very tough to beat.

Development models don't interest users. Programs interest users.

The Mac-app can have a distinctive identity.

iWorks. iEverything-Else.

The Linux app is The GIMP, "the next best thing" for the guy who can't afford Photoshop Elements or Paint Shop Pro and it has already been ported to Windows.

Windows is the software mega-mall and that counts for more than apt-get.

They should have provided a torrent (4, Insightful)

Matt Perry (793115) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780809)

No joke. They should have provided a torrent. This type of distribution is what bittorrent excels at. It would have provided everyone with a better experience and saved MS some bandwidth.

Re:They should have provided a torrent (2, Insightful)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781343)

They probably have CONTRACTS with Akamai.
You know, CONTRACTS that state something along th elines of "You gotta give us ur moneys all teh time you do major content delivery.".

Re:They should have provided a torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781497)

Contracts which probably also state that akami has to aktully do teh content delivery

Re:They should have provided a torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781735)

Communist!

Re:They should have provided a torrent (1)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781747)

It would have provided everyone with a better experience and saved MS some bandwidth.

It's worth noting that it doesn't provide everyone with a better experience - just the people downloading.

Anyone playing online games or visiting websites might notice the internet is running slower - not a better experience.

Though I would rather see torrents being used for stuff like this, rather than *cough* other purposes. :P

But if it can be distributed via CDN, then that's even better.

Re:They should have provided a torrent (1)

Zapotek (1032314) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782017)

I don't know why but your post made me laugh!
Thank you!

No no no, I don't mean it like *that*...
You are totally 100% spot on.

stinker (1)

Stratocastr (1234756) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780819)

'Man, this stinks,' said a user identified as Lyle Pratt

could this report pretend to be more professionally written?

Patience is a virtue (4, Insightful)

westlake (615356) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780823)

East Coast developer tries to download the ISO during his lunch break. It ain't gonna happen.

Funny way to turn the pirates over to their side. (4, Insightful)

DavidKlemke (1048264) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780843)

Seems Microsoft might be trying to make the best of a bad situation when it comes to people pirating their software, but turning them into beta testers. Sure you have to give them something for free but in the end you'll get a whole lot of people who would just pirate your software anyway doing a whole lot of free QA for you. Pretty smart move if you ask me.

Funnily enough I didn't hear anything about Microsoft pursuing the Pirate Bay for hosting the torrent of their latest builds, which seems to support this theory. Anyone seen anything?

Re:Funny way to turn the pirates over to their sid (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781205)

Forget everything, can you believe the lemmings download it from Pirate sites? An operating system? Give me an NSA SE Linux ISO and I can modify it (with my low knowledge) the best trojan, spying, listening, watching OS ever. You got the OS install image to modify, can it get easier? :)

Even the highest of highest end antiviruses which can still sell for money gives no guarantee if they are installed to an already trojaned/wormed/rootkit infected system. That is why they always want to do a complete low level (with their own io drivers and zero cache), long scan when they get installed.

Re:Funny way to turn the pirates over to their sid (2, Informative)

Winckle (870180) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781289)

Well, when downloading Linux or other FOSS stuff you can check the md5 against the "official" md5 on the project site.

Re:Funny way to turn the pirates over to their sid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781759)

And if someone has hacked the site to provide malicious .ISO files, you would think they'd replace the MD5 hashes as well.

Re:Funny way to turn the pirates over to their sid (3, Interesting)

a09bdb811a (1453409) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781363)

Forget everything, can you believe the lemmings download it from Pirate sites? An operating system?

I downloaded a copy of Vista 64 from a demonoid.com torrent. Already had a legit key from MSDNAA, just didn't have a copy of the x64 version. Microsoft puts the SHA1 sum for the ISO file on their MSDN site, so you can verify that it's an untampered copy. A bit like that cheesy scene (one of many) from the movie Swordfish, where Travolta barks to one of his cronies "Verify this!" and, after a pause, the computer dude says "Verified!". Fuck, that movie was fucking awful.

Or are you suggesting that you can slip in a trojan and still get the SHA1 sum to match, using some collision that nobody else knows about?

Re:Funny way to turn the pirates over to their sid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27782001)

> from MSDNAA

Goodness gracious, I sat here for about 5 minutes re-reading your comment
and thinking "sick fucker" until I got it.

I need to get off the internets for a while.

Re:Funny way to turn the pirates over to their sid (3, Informative)

Joe U (443617) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781371)

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/downloads/default.aspx?PV=36:350:DVD:en:x64 [microsoft.com]

SHA1: FC867FE1AB2E0A9796F9E4D155B44EA6998F4874

Re:Funny way to turn the pirates over to their sid (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781511)

Copy of this i downloaded off usenet 6 days ago matches that hash ;)

Re:Funny way to turn the pirates over to their sid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781997)

Yep. My good buddy YEnc Power Poster seems to have uploaded the right file.

Good to know! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27782353)

Now I know that the .iso I downloaded a week ago is the exact copy offered straight from MS. Just didn't have to wait.

// // File Checksum Integrity Verifier version 2.05. //

fc867fe1ab2e0a9796f9e4d155b44ea6998f4874
  7100.0.090421-1700_x64fre_client_en-us_retail_ultimate-grc1culxfrer_en_dvd.iso

Re:Funny way to turn the pirates over to their sid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781531)

Are you kidding? Microsoft's paying *customers* have been their beta testers for years. It's a great business model, your beta testers pay YOU to find bugs...and sometimes if you feel like it you might even fix them.

Surprise Surprise (0, Flamebait)

heyitsjon (1544855) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780947)

Anyone surprised Microsoft screwed this one up? Seeing as Vista was a total flop they are rushing to get the new version out there.

Re:Surprise Surprise (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781043)

How is this a screw up on their part again? They release a preview of the next os and there is so much interest in it that they can't keep up with demand. That sounds like they did something right to get that kind of attention. Also Vista was released 2 years ago. I know it's fashionable to complain about MS but a 2 year cycle doesn't sound like rushing it out.

Re:Surprise Surprise (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781241)

Or they simply lowered some of priorities in their servers? I mean, yes, Windows 7 has generated a lot of talk around but this is MSDN we talk about. Do you know how much some companies, developers pay for premium access to that system? Ask a Windows developer, you may be very surprised.

Re:Surprise Surprise (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781835)

MSDN is only expensive for people who buy it straight from Microsoft's web site. Any company with volume licensing agreement or individuals going through a reseller can get it for like 900$/year for the premium edition (Team System are more expensive, but are actually cheaper, but a LOT, than the non-MS commercial alternatives...)

And that gives you a support contract and a bunch of other things. Really, its peanuts.

Anyway, point is, MSDN's private servers are arguably slower than the public ones a lot of the time. Thats not where most of the cost of the subscription goes. (If anyone, especially a company, buys a bunch of MSDN subscriptions for the downloads, they're doing it wrong)

Re:Surprise Surprise (0)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782301)

there is so much interest in it that they can't keep up with demand.

.
So what you are saying is that after all these years (decades?) Microsoft is still unable to understand the market for their products. Since Microsoft has a monopolistic hold on the market, your admission is truly damning for Microsoft. If Microsoft does not understand the market it completely controls, how level of confidence can we have in anything that Microsoft does????

Re:Surprise Surprise (1, Interesting)

Jamie's Nightmare (1410247) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781345)

Yes. A "total flop" as you put it, with 36% of players on Steam [steampowered.com] using it. I guess 36% of players enjoy games with more crashes, less performance, more blue screens... am I missing anything here? You're probably better at this than I am. Give me some more baseless claims I can throw out there for good effect.

Re:Surprise Surprise (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781941)

What I find interesting on that page is the graph titled "directx 10 systems"

It shows that of the people who have DX10 capable GPUs only about half are using vista despite the fact that XP doesn't support DX10.

To me that says a lot of gamers are deliberately avoiding vista.

Re:Surprise Surprise (2, Insightful)

Jamie's Nightmare (1410247) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782203)

You could spin it that way, but that ignores the rest of the story. Many gamers will upgrade their video card before buying a new computer (with OS included).

Re:Surprise Surprise (1)

really? (199452) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781563)

Screwed up? Would YOU be commenting on it if everything went smoothly?

There is no such thing as bad press. Or, so Hollywood would have me believe, anyway.

The brownouts have started! (4, Funny)

Kelson (129150) | more than 5 years ago | (#27780953)

Looks like this story [slashdot.org] was right!

Except my computer hasn't started to freeze and jitter. What's up with that?

Re:The brownouts have started! (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781325)

I guess your ISP is very technical and you didn't see a "brownout". I have seen one, when the idiots (at billing) decided to give me IP but did not allow any data in or out. Some system parts were seriously shaken, frozen because they weren't coded with such possibility in mind. I reported all to my OS vendor and couple of apps vendors. One application became such a zombie that kill -9 didn't help. Reason? It was checking for updates. That is all! Some apps refused to display a GUI until I hand edited their prefs to disable automatic updates.

Did people watch the CPU usage of Internet Explorer when they hit that site? :)

Re:The brownouts have started! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781825)

I popped a brown out. The beast was as long as a nigger dick and just as thick. Nearly tore my ass giving birth to that thing.

Re:The brownouts have started! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781333)

You are just too stoned to notice the freeze and jitter.

Re:The brownouts have started! (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781463)

Have you changed your oil recently?

yet.. another fail (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27780993)

fail fail fail

Is this the same one as on the tubes already? (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781023)

The one the internets seemed to distribute (probably via Sweden) for a week now?

MS is doing it wrong.

Re:Is this the same one as on the tubes already? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781209)

That will happen naturally.
Let someone who doesn't like the bandwitdth issue post it as a torrent. Then if people start embedding Trojans MS can wash there hands of it.

Leave it to M$ (0, Flamebait)

certain death (947081) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781053)

They must be drinking their own cool-aid...running their MSDN/TechNet servers on Windows7 RC1...

got it from usenet a week ago (1)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781341)

installed it a few days ago.

quite nice.

Microsoft Fakes "the Slashdot Effect" (0, Troll)

remitaylor (884490) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781519)

Wow. Microsoft really pwned everyone with this!

Doesn't everyone realize that Microsoft *faked* this crash as a publicity stunt?

Seriously. Who would download Windows 7? And, of those people, who would download it *legally*???

Re:Microsoft Fakes "the Slashdot Effect" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781857)

despite your poor opinion of people most run and download non pirated versions of OS's especially when they are free, There is already one ISO out there on torrent sites that comes with a free trojan attached, why take the risk when you don't have too.

Microsoft wants to host your cloud apps (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27781535)

Microsoft may know how to make software (hic), but they have demonstrated time and again that they do not know how to operate online services. Keep that in mind when they try and sell their cloud platform, Azure.

You'd think they could have found a better quote.. (1)

lylepratt (1279050) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781629)

Hah. You'd think they could have found a better quote that "Man, this stinks". I had just been trying to get to the MSDN downloads sections off and on at work for two hours.

I know! (1)

nizo (81281) | more than 5 years ago | (#27781989)

Maybe they need to upgrade their web servers [wikipedia.org] ?

It is obvious... (1)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782245)

Windows Server just cannot handle the load.....
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