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US Says Canadian Copyright As Bad As China's, Russia's

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the but-very-courteous-just-the-same dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The US is blaming Canada in a new report that claims that Canadian copyright and intellectual property laws are as bad as those found in China and Russia. Michael Geist notes that Canadian officials have dismissed these findings in the past, arguing it 'does not recognize the Special 301 process due to its lacking of reliable and objective analysis.'" (Read more about the annual Special 301 report.)

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As a fellow Canadian ... (-1, Offtopic)

Tamran (1424955) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782591)

... I can say: Boooya! First Post Biatches! :)

Re:As a fellow Canadian ... (4, Funny)

Firehed (942385) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783315)

"First Post", "Frosty Piss", and similar derivations thereof are registered copyright of Anonymous Coward. Were it not for your lax copyright laws in Canada, we'd be sending our lawyers. Expect political intrusion followed by a retroactive DMCA takedown notice, and enjoy your Friday.

Wate of money. I could have told you that for fre (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783467)

As in beer, Frosty root beer...hmmm

But seriously, this is true. Canada is no better than most of east europe and russia. China? Few there read/wite engrish so not much to do about anything.

Thank goodness for Dr. Geist (4, Insightful)

Zanth_ (157695) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782597)

A breath of fresh air in the murky air of pollution spewed by the RIAA/MPAA et. al.

Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist (-1, Troll)

kingcobra0128 (1131641) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782897)

wow are you are big idiot or just a fan boy of the RIAA. You know if it were for Canadian copyright laws sites like youtube would not exist. So let the US spew there BS but don't say its good. We don't have CR laws the same as the US and its a good thing.

Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27782929)

wow are you are big idiot or just a fan boy of the RIAA. You know if it were for Canadian copyright laws sites like youtube would not exist. So let the US spew there BS but don't say its good. We don't have CR laws the same as the US and its a good thing.

How can you say that with a straight face when the DMCA is purely an American law?

Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist (1)

Gerzel (240421) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783389)

The poster before you forgot to add a "not" or "n't" somewhere in his pose I think.

Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist (2, Funny)

Ardaen (1099611) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782959)

Uhm... Did I miss something? "You spew murky polluted air" is a compliment now? How about "you are a big idiot"? I don't know, maybe I just don't read carefully enough before posting.

Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783397)

Actually, these criticisms have been pretty thoroughly debunked, perhaps most significantly here [tinyurl.com] .

Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist (1)

DirtyCanuck (1529753) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783197)

The only pollution I smell is the sh!t drifting over lake Ontario from New York.

Backhanded Compliment? (5, Insightful)

CountOfJesusChristo (1523057) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782603)

Given America's stance on copyright these days, this sounds more like a ringing endorsment of Canadian copyright law than a condemnation.

Re:Backhanded Compliment? (5, Insightful)

BabyDuckHat (1503839) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782737)

Copyright law in the United States is a perverted abomination, mutated over decades by powerful corporations to benefit only themselves to the detriment of the people on whos backs they've built their gargantuan regimes.

It's also the sux0rz.

Re:Backhanded Compliment? (4, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783157)

While I agree with you on America's messed up copyright laws, the problem apparently is that a lot of commercially bootlegged products make it into the US through Canada. The Canadian government essentially permits this, for example, if you drive across the border with a truck full of DVDs, the Canadian customs agents can't stop you without getting a warrant. If I were the Canadian government, I would consider allowing this until the US agrees to a more reasonable copyright, say 20 years.

What really got my interest from the article was this quote:

It was clear that Washington's patience with Ottawa's repeatedly broken promises has run out, perhaps also a reflection of the greater status and power of the digital and entertainment sectors in the era of the net-savvy Obama administration.

Net-savvy Obama administration. I don't know if those are exactly the words I would use.....

Re:Backhanded Compliment? (4, Insightful)

MikeUW (999162) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783261)

Why is this the problem of Canadian customs agents? Isn't it the responsibility of the US customs agents get off their arses to check incoming shipments?

Re:Backhanded Compliment? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783303)

You make sense to me, but that was one of the complaints that the US had mentioned in the article.

Re:Backhanded Compliment? (5, Funny)

InsertWittyNameHere (1438813) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783407)

That's the problem with the slow-to-adopt-new-technology Americans. In Canada we use digital methods of content distribution. While they continue to look for these fabled and elusive shipments of DVDs and CDs.

Devious, I know.

Re:Backhanded Compliment? (5, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783465)

Why is this the problem of Canadian customs agents? Isn't it the responsibility of the US customs agents get off their arses to check incoming shipments?

Because the USA imports on such a massive scale, they have no hope of nspecting even a fraction of what comes in, so they do their best to fob off responsibility on other countries.

Kinda like how Federal agencies barely test imports or they would have caught tainted [everything] from China.
The money and willpower just isn't there.

Re:Backhanded Compliment? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783269)

the problem apparently is that a lot of commercially bootlegged products make it into the US through Canada. The Canadian government essentially permits this, for example, if you drive across the border with a truck full of DVDs, the Canadian customs agents can't stop you without getting a warrant.

Canadian customs agents are not the police.

Like most civilized countries, Canada doesn't stop & search every vehicle & person leaving the country. Canadian customs agents stop & search incoming traffic.

Keeping bad stuff & bad people out of the USA is the job of the US Customs & Border Patrol.

Re:Backhanded Compliment? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783271)

That's all fine and dandy but on the way INTO the US, its a US customs agents that would check your truck of DVD's.

I doubt many people drive trucks from Europe to Canada. and I doubt people driving pirated DVD's from the USA into Canada is a problem for the USA.

So well.. fuck off eh!!

Re:Backhanded Compliment? (1)

Gerzel (240421) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783399)

In which case those US customs agents should have a search warrant to check those DVDs unless the basic principals that the United States was founded on have been majorly violated.

Oh wait...

Comparisons??? (4, Informative)

Quasar1999 (520073) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782617)

Honestly, if you want to compare American and Canadian laws, copyright laws are the bottom of the list in terms of impact and relevency. There are WAY more important laws that clearly shows Canada's are generally more enlightened and less restrictive compared to their American counterparts.

Re:Comparisons??? (2, Funny)

iYk6 (1425255) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782741)

There are WAY more important laws that clearly shows Canada's are generally more enlightened and less restrictive compared to their American counterparts.

Including copyright law. You see, Michael Geist is stuck in the 80's, where "bad" means "good". Understand now?

Re:Comparisons??? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27782977)

For those who don't remember the 80s watch and need clarification on the bad is good thing see "The Wizard" for an example. That is, "I love the Power Glove; it's so bad."

Man, the Power Glove. It was so awesome it was badical.

And watch "Rad" while you're at it. Gnarly!

Re:Comparisons??? (4, Insightful)

russotto (537200) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782761)

Honestly, if you want to compare American and Canadian laws, copyright laws are the bottom of the list in terms of impact and relevency. There are WAY more important laws that clearly shows Canada's are generally more enlightened and less restrictive compared to their American counterparts.

Right. Like the Canadian content laws or the hate propaganda laws.

(oops)

Re:Comparisons??? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783073)

For those who don't know what the content laws are, a certain and sizable percentage of the music and shows broadcast on Canadian radio and television has to be Canadian in origin. The TV part is not all that bad (especially since so many US/worldwide shows are shot there anyway) but Canadian music is... Well, usually pretty awful.

Re:Comparisons??? (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783327)

Thank you for the explanation.

There is some speculation that the US is going to end up with something like that as well, the Fairness Doctrine.

Re:Comparisons??? (1)

DirtyCanuck (1529753) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783095)

Or the DEA officers that conduct secret investigations entrapping otherwise law biding Canadian citizens over a law of prohibition kept in stone by American ideology.

Sometimes, killing them with torture while they are in custody, then playing it off as suicide. (Movie:The Union)

Re:Comparisons??? (5, Interesting)

inhuman_4 (1294516) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783321)

Indeed, just look at the recent case where MacLean' Magazine (Canada's version of Time) got taken to the human rights commission for hate speech.

Watching that unfold really opened my eyes to just how draconian some of our hate speech laws are. The human rights commission has their own rules, and run a kangaroo court worthy of Stalin.

MacLean's only got out of it because they have such a large readership. A huge part of the Canadian population was watching the proceedings and the human rights commission had to let MacLean's go. Otherwise the public would have demanded their closure. But from what I have read a few smaller companies and individuals have been taken to the cleaners by these guys.

I am generally pretty happy with the laws here in Canada, but there are a few things that make you wonder what kind of clowns are running this country.

On a happier note, the Canadian RIAA pushed for those stupid levees on our CDs to compensate for piracy. They made a good buck on that scam too. But now the tables have finally turned. We already have a system for compensating them for piracy. They can lobby all they want but the legal precedent is in place. Generally judges are less corrupt then politicians, so we do stand a chance.

Re:Comparisons??? (1)

diodeus (96408) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782783)

The Conservative wackos in power in Canada will probably sneak in the ratification of the ACTA (anti-counterfeiting trade agreement) while the other parties are across the street at the pub. ...or maybe during some sort of 9/11 scenario involving snowmobiles...or toxic poutine.

Re:Comparisons??? (1)

adonoman (624929) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783309)

Not the poutine! Anything but that!

You cannot see (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27782963)

There are WAY more important laws

On the contrary, I would submit that copyright laws are among the most significant in shaping the world as we know it. Copyright laws are not about entertainment, but rather, about thought control.

As a species we are standing on a crossroads never before faced by any species on the planet.

I argue that the single most significant contributor to our supremacy over this planet is our capacity for meme-exchange. We have taken mammalian peer-learning to an unprecedented level. The fact that every member of our species frequently expends great energy in the singular business of meme-aquisition, and that we spend just as much energy in the business of meme-distribution, serves as a testament to its survival-utility and evolutionary effectiveness.

Are we to embrace this freedom, allow the currents of information to flow unrestrained, and see where our exponentially-increasing rate of technological evolution (which, from a more metaphysical perspective, is not so different from our genetic evolution) takes us?

Or are we, on the other hand, going to lock ourselves down and block this flow, all in the name of preserving the economic prosperity of a select few?

Is our future one of wild change and uncertainty, or one of regularity and control?

Information is the currency with which we purchase our spiritual destiny. Copyright law is a manifestation of how we are spending that currency.

I may be a religious nut, but you, sir, are completely blind.

Re:You cannot see (1)

Firehed (942385) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783345)

I argue that the single most significant contributor to our supremacy over this planet is our capacity for meme-exchange.

Please! There's no need to drag Soviet Russia and the lolcats into this.

Re:Comparisons??? (4, Insightful)

Unoriginal_Nickname (1248894) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782975)

Canada's laws aren't, I think, generally more enlightened and less restrictive compared to American law. We have some pretty foreboding hate speech laws in Canada and a significant cross-section of the law is still defined in an unwritten common law; but I suppose if your priorities lie in downloading music, marrying other men or smoking pot we must look like quite the utopia.

The scary part about all of this is the comparison to China and Russia. The copyright laws in those countries are pretty far from lenient, they're just almost entirely unenforced. This whole story is another lie from the people who brought you the rather quaint notion that most film piracy comes from Canadians recording movies with camcorders rather than the reality of film pre-release DVDs getting leaked from the MPAA.

This just in! (1, Funny)

Skyppey (196275) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782653)

Swine flu first came to US through Canadian border.

Re:This just in! (1)

JymmyZ (655273) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782781)

Was it carried by those terrorists we let in to fly planes into those buildings? ;)

Re:This just in! (1)

DirtyCanuck (1529753) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783103)

That fell at the speed of gravity uniformly.

Re:This just in! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783285)

Luckily our air force stopped the 'rogue' pilot who stole air force one from flying it near the brooklyn bridge!

Somehow Mr Obama didn't know that HIS plane was stolen...no one in the whitehouse knew!!

It's fucking Air Force One! It's the single most important plane in America.

They're not even a real country anyways (5, Funny)

Weedhopper (168515) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782657)

With all their beady little eyes
And flapping heads so full of lies

Watch out, here comes the RIAA. Maybe I should have posted this from Canada.

Re:They're not even a real country anyways (5, Funny)

skine (1524819) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782875)

Dear Mr/Ms Weedhopper,

It is the duty of the RIAA to protect the intellectual works of Atlantic Records, Trey Parker and Matt Stone. You have violated the copyright of the track "Blame Canada" off of the album "South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut," specifically using the following lines:

"With all their beady little eyes
And flapping heads so full of lies"

This usage does NOT fall under fair use, and thus you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows, including financial compensation for lost revenue do to your illegal use of said content.

Agent Skine
RIAA

Re:They're not even a real country anyways (1)

kingcobra0128 (1131641) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782937)

The RIAA needs to get with the times and I am not talking the 1800s when the laws were made .

Re:They're not even a real country anyways (2, Funny)

value_added (719364) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783317)

Dear Agent Skine,

We apologise for allowing one of our users to quote the following lines of copyrighted content:

        With all their beady little eyes
        And flapping heads so full of lies

Those responsible have been sacked.

Sincerely,
The Editor

Re:They're not even a real country anyways (1)

angelwolf71885 (1181671) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782921)

BLAME CANADA!!!

Re:They're not even a real country anyways (0, Redundant)

Weedhopper (168515) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783267)

BLAME CANADA!!!

Re:They're not even a real country anyways (1)

Ardaen (1099611) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783005)

So how does that American DMCA law work again? I send an email and anything I dislike gets removed without annoying questions or due process right?

So can I send in a DMCA takedown against USTR's press release and get it removed from their webpage? Or do I have to find some upstream provider to send it to that will disconnect the entire USTR site without questioning the validity of my takedown notice?

This is caused by GOD (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27782661)

Once I went to Canada and found that the inhabitants there were heathens who spoke some sort of Mexican language and insulted my Wife with their leering glances and slouching, bad manners so I shot them to teach them a lesson that AMERICA belongs to GOD and people who fear and believe in GOD, not "canadians" and other taco-eating peoples who came from Mexico or somewhere like that. So it is not surprising at all that these renefgades from our LORD would copy things badly because most of them are illiterate because they can't even read BIBLES since the BIBLE (the greatest and best book ever writted) is in AMERICAN like everybody already should know from CHURCH. So why is Obama not stopping these terroristical Mexicans of the North? Probably because he is some sort of Italian spy, like I always suspectid.

Re:This is caused by GOD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783247)

That is cute and funny. Hey I can laugh at myself can you?

Tonight I listened to something though that I think might change my life (havent listened to it all yet). I want to share. As I do not think I am there yet.
http://www.wayofthemaster.com/watchepisodes.shtml# [wayofthemaster.com]

Especially the first one.

It seemed kookie at first. But just listen to it. You are willing to watch 10 mins of someone doing something screwed up on youtube why not give this a go?

Re:This is caused by GOD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783479)

Q:"Why do 80-90% of those making a decision for Christ fall away from the faith?"
A:The Church.

I hereby eat my words/crow.... (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782697)

I hereby denounce all of my posts detrimental to Canada and us annexing them ala Fallout....Really.

I bow down to my Northern Hockey Stick Wielding Overlords!

Go Canada! Maple leaves and 'eh! You Hoser!' forever!

Bad form, but...reply to own... (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782807)

You are a far more forgiving people than US[pun intended].
We can trade you one 'Sheryl Crow' for ...what?

Okay, throw in Brian Adams, but we are still out producing the crap shit^Hpped out compared to y'all.
Get with the times dude! 'Pump up the Volume'/Shite, man!!
*apply sarcasm filter heavily above*

BTW, I am not anti-Canadian, I was just unduly influenced by the 'Fallout' series, and 'Strange Brew'.

This is why I broke /. protocol to reply to my own post.

Dear USA... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27782745)

Dear USA

We really don't give a flying fuck what you think. Come up here, drink some beer, smoke some pot, chill the hell out and go back home with a little less of that pole stuck up your ass.

Your friends and Neighbours

Canada

P.S. When you guys come for the party can you bring me some white castle, we don't have that shit up here and it looks delicious.

Re:Dear USA... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783081)

I'll promptly FedEx you some White Castle if you send back some pot!!

Re:Dear USA... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783111)

please don't blame us citizens for the spouting of our corporate interest paid off politicians. please don't do anything our government says. we're all being held prisoner here.

Re:Dear USA... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783237)

Invade us. We'll greet you with flowers.

Re:Dear USA... (2, Funny)

s-orbital (598727) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783249)

Ok, if you bring me some Tim Hortons. Tim's rocks!

Re:Dear USA... (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783379)

Canada's laws aren't, I think, generally more enlightened and less restrictive compared to American law. We have some pretty foreboding hate speech laws in Canada and a significant cross-section of the law is still defined in an unwritten common law; but I suppose if your priorities lie in downloading music, marrying other men or smoking pot we must look like quite the utopia. The scary part about all of this is the comparison to China and Russia. The copyright laws in those countries are pretty far from lenient, they're just almost entirely unenforced. This whole story is another lie from the people who brought you the rather quaint notion that most film piracy comes from Canadians recording movies with camcorders rather than the reality of film pre-release DVDs getting leaked from the MPAA.

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1218231&cid=27782975 [slashdot.org]

I have to say I find this rather amusing.

But on a more serious note, you've never had White Castle. You poor poor bastard, I'll bring up 3 cases (30/case) this weekend.

Failfacts (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27782765)

Wow i didn't know the RIAA and MPAA could lobby the USA to condemn other countries. Have they ever actually bothered to look at themselves instead of being hypocrites telling the rest of the world to do things they themselves are not willing to do.

Look at the http://geo.keff.org/ pirate bay peer tracker and it's clear America and china are the big peer providers for torrents.

sorry Canada is a real democracy not a corporate sponsored illusion. We put laws into place that the people want not corporate powers that run other nations to ignorant to new technology and progression. For starters if we here in the great white north had access to hulu i would not need to download many of the shows i miss well at work. Screw the usa and its overkill laws that allow corporations to exploit and extort their own customer base.

Again? (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782799)

Wasn't this already said two years ago, and then when we looked at who this group was in the USA, it turned to be a 'media rights' group or something like that. Either way, I think Canada may just have a bit more sanity in it copyright laws. When I hear lobby groups who represent the likes of the MPAA and the RIAA, I would rather support Lawrence Lassig.

They also blame us (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782801)

for letting in the 911 terrorist ............ I paid my dues last time I paid the levy on blank cd's. Thanks... Off I go to legaly download some music.

Re:They also blame us (5, Insightful)

quacking duck (607555) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782893)

It was bad enough when the secretary of Homeland Security said last week the 9/11 terrorists came through Canada. To hear John McCain repeat that lie made me very glad he's not your president. Does he also think Iraq was responsible for the attacks too?

Unbelievable.

Re:They also blame us (1)

khallow (566160) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783275)

It's possible that these politicians were given bad information shortly after the 9/11 attacks. It doesn't completely excuse opening one's mouth before checking the facts, but I wouldn't be surprised to find that both Napolitano and McCain got this bad information from the same Bush team shortly after the 9/11 attacks. The federal government certainly would brief Senators and they might have briefed important state officials (Napolitano was Attorney General of Arizona at the time). BUT McCain definitely was shooting from the hip. A five minute check by a staffer would have caught it. Or he could have stated at the time why he felt so certain. Blustering "as you know" on national TV is just idiotic.

Re:They also blame us (2, Informative)

Shados (741919) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783181)

Off I go to legaly download some music.

Morally OK dowload some music, yes. Legally, not so much. So many people will quote the ruling that stated that because of the levy it was legal to download stuff in Canada...then conveniently forget the result of the next appeal. No ruling ever stated that it was legal, and the laws don't mention anything about it being legal because of that (totally stupid) levy.

I agree we should either remove that damn levy, or assert that its legal to go on a download spree...but as of today, neither are set.

Tit for tat (5, Insightful)

quacking duck (607555) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782831)

I've said it before: The US government and the IP lobbying groups can go frak themselves ten ways to Sunday on this issue.

In the softwood lumber dispute the US not only flipped the bird at Canada, but refused to accept several judgments against them by the WTO and NAFTA.

If you don't respect international laws and rulings against you, don't expect others to respect the lopsided laws you're trying to force down the throats of more free-thinking countries.

(Sadly, they've come to expect no less; in the end, the newly-elected Conservative government rolled over on the softwood issue, gave the ball to the US, and begged for more. Yes, I'm just as disgusted at the pansies who sold us out)

Re:Tit for tat (5, Insightful)

radtea (464814) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782989)

If you don't respect international laws and rulings against you, don't expect others to respect the lopsided laws you're trying to force down the throats of more free-thinking countries.

Rogue states like the US need to be reigned in. The US government has consistently violated international norms for decades, particularly with regards to bizarre claims of extra-territoriality, which basically means Americans think that they can legally apply their wacko laws to everyone everywhere.

Unfortunately, although once a great trading republic, the United States is now a military empire, financed by debt and spiralling into oblivion. Americans will be hurt by their fall more than anyone else, but the rest of the world really needs to start paying attention and thinking about how to deal with a post-American planet.

One of the things we need to do is bring home to Americans as clearly as possible that we don't care about their parochial laws. Canada is in full compliance with all relevant international treaties on copyright, and any extraneous conditions that the Americans would like to impose on us are irrelevant. We are an independent nation, and don't react well to being told what we ought to do by our bankrupt southern neighbours.

Re:Tit for tat (5, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783061)

Unfortunately, although once a great trading republic, the United States is now a military empire,

WRONG. THe USA has pretty much always been a military empire. Many of our nation's first military actions were to go bomb some town south of our borders to force them to sell to United Fruit Company, which became Chiquita, which became Bonita — and which is still up to illegal tricks to keep their stranglehold on the banana industry in particular.

We are an independent nation, and don't react well to being told what we ought to do by our bankrupt southern neighbours.

You seem to do as you're told the majority of the time.

Re:Tit for tat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783365)

The US government has consistently violated international norms for decades, particularly with regards to bizarre claims of extra-territoriality, which basically means Americans think that they can legally apply their wacko laws to everyone everywhere.

Canada and many other countries apply their laws outside the country. If you go overseas and have sex with a minor, you can be charged, convicted & jailed in Canada.

Re:Tit for tat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783489)

I'd love to know what the USA does about those people 18-21 who've been to England and drunk alcohol, which is perfectly legal for that age to drink here - are they arrested on return to the USA for underage drinking.

Also, does any American who has legally drunk alcohol in that country expect to be arrested on entry to Saudi Arabia, where it is totally illegal to drink alcohol?

Re:Tit for tat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783069)

You're correct about lobby groups being over represented in law, but you're wrong about endorsing the "authority" of undemocratic "world" organisations such as the WTO and NAFTA. At least you can vote in your country.

Re:Tit for tat (4, Funny)

syousef (465911) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783089)

I've said it before: The US government and the IP lobbying groups can go frak themselves ten ways to Sunday on this issue.

Please cease and desist from using the word 'frak' as it is under copyright. Hang on I just used it. Oh....frak! Now Australia will be added to the list of "baaaaad" countries.

Re:Tit for tat (1)

JakartaDean (834076) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783091)

In the softwood lumber dispute the US not only flipped the bird at Canada, but refused to accept several judgments against them by the WTO and NAFTA.

I'd love to see that, the PM standing up in Question Period and going on the record as saying Canada will pass a new copyright law after an amount of time equal to the time America ignored numerous rulings by tribunals and courts on the softwood lumber issue. Followed, hopefully, "Take that, bitch!"

As an aside, I'm a Canadian, I've lived in Canada for 29 years and Indonesia for the last 17. As far as I know, it's not possible in Toronto to walk down to the mall and drop 75 cents on the latest Hollywood DVD. I can get an 11-DVD television series for less than 8 dollars here. It's very hard to actually buy software here, it's so widely pirated. Microsoft et al know this, and talk about enforcement, etc but they know that if people had to pay then Linux would have a much bigger share of the PC base, to their long-term detriment.

FUCK YOU. (-1, Redundant)

topham (32406) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782837)

FUCK YOU.

Re:FUCK YOU. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27782933)

As a US citizen who has never left the US, even for vacation, this is not flamebait. The US needs to relax its copyright laws as soon as possible.

Actually... (5, Funny)

DJGrahamJ (589019) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782839)

does not recognize the Special 301 process due to its lacking of reliable and objective analysis

Actually, it's because we don't give a fuck.

Re:Actually... (3, Funny)

Tuoqui (1091447) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783003)

It's called diplomacy. You tell them we don't give a fuck in some nice flowery words.

Great (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27782847)

Copyright is too strong in the USA. Anywhere that they say is "lax", must be better then the USA at it.

It was supposed to last just long enough so that inventors and artists could make enough money for their next work. Not an ever lasting deal as is what we get with the copyrights being extend again and again.

Bah (3, Insightful)

Kabuthunk (972557) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782853)

The sad part is that now that we've been 'called out', so to speak, Canada will inevitably bend to the will of the USA and change it's laws to be just as draconian, if not moreso.

Well... Canada's basically the 51st state anyway.

Re:Bah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27782923)

Quite a big-ass state. Kinda like California... except with Schwarzenegger's steroids.

Re:Bah (2, Interesting)

BrunoBigfoot (996441) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782957)

We've been 'called out' several times. Legislation has been drafted similar to the US and has caused an uproar every time, causing it to be delayed/withdrawn. It looks to me like a show for the Americans to keep them 'happy,' as it were. Just enough to tell them, "we're trying." As long as they keep trying to pass these laws, we'll keep kicking up didos.

Re:Bah (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782985)

As a nice extra touch, the poor sucker who introduces the bill has had a tendency to lose his or her job.

Re:Bah (3, Informative)

Runefox (905204) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783019)

Yeah, this is what I thought when I first heard about this earlier today. If ever there were a "big reason" to back the draconian ACTA, international "condemnation" is it. This'll probably let them lobby for and push it through without much, if any, opposition.

Re:Bah (0, Offtopic)

Kabuthunk (972557) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783085)

And as an added bonus, I get modded flamebait for thinking Canada will bend to the USA. Because y'know, that's never happened before :P

Re:Bah (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783255)

And as an added bonus, I get modded flamebait for thinking Canada will bend to the USA. Because y'know, that's never happened before :P

Yeah, I'm sure it was that - stating an opinion of what a political outcome could be - that got you modded Flamebait and not the whole 51st state comment.

Here is how I understand the summary, as bad as- (5, Insightful)

sam0737 (648914) | more than 5 years ago | (#27782931)

It says Canadian copyright laws are as bad as China and Russia.

What it didn't say is that - US copyright laws are even worse.

Re:Here is how I understand the summary, as bad as (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783087)

ah, as bad as Nazi Germany.

There. Discussion's over. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law)

Re:Here is how I understand the summary, as bad as (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783105)

From TFA, "Canada now joins a group of countries designated as being especially lax in protecting intellectual property, including Algeria, China, Russia, Pakistan, Indonesia and Venezuela". So it means "bad for corporations", not "bad for citizens".

No wonder..I am not suprised at all. (3, Informative)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783027)

The [mighty] USA will always complain about her neighbor to the north (Canada). Heck, there is even a prominent politician who said [samachaar.in] the 9/11 terrorists came from Canada! Imagine that.

This politician had presidential ambitions I must add.

Then there are those who criticize [spectator.org] its health care system although Canadians generally love what they have and in fact, live as long as Americans on average.

It's a strange world.

I live in Canada (4, Insightful)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783057)

and as far as I'm concerned,
(amenglish)
Y'all can ken go fuck yerselves, ya morans.
(/amenglish)

Canada is the only place I know of where 100 CDRs costs more than 100 DVD-Rs...

We pay EVERY FUCKING DAY massive extra money to the American Ideological State Apparatus [wikipedia.org] and Canadian native culture is pressured into virtual non-existence thanks to the Hollywood/TV juggernaut.

Our only consolation is we have all the water and oil, and the last time you invaded Canada, we kicked your ass.

Please, please, please, we pray that your empire dies so we can sell our resources to the highest bidder and not to you thanks to NAFTA.

RS

Re:I live in Canada (1)

neoform (551705) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783329)

Dang, that's pretty cold.. oh yeah, this is Canada..

Re:I live in Canada (1)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783425)

Interesting notes:
* Nobody in the U.S. writes "ken" or says "morans". Sure, it's pronounced "ken" and sometimes written "moran", but your statement makes no sense written or spoken.
* "Can ken" is, it seems, duplicating a word?
* Your money goes to our churches and education system? Really?
* It's hardly our fault that Hollywood is popular in Canada.

Re:I live in Canada (1)

iNaya (1049686) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783469)

Our only consolation is we have all the water and oil, and the last time you invaded Canada, we kicked your ass.

I am neither British nor American nor Canadian. But I do know that in the war of 1812 the US was fighting the British Empire, not Canadians. A good majority of the troops came from England. Secondly, both armies invaded each others' territories and were repelled. Thirdly, the war ended because BOTH SIDES had no reason left to fight (it was indirectly caused by the Napoleonic wars and directly by the British impressment of US sailors among other things).

Honestly, it pisses me off when Canadians and USians carry on about the war of 1812, and never seem to know what the fuck they are talking about.

And the way Canadians go on about how much better they are than Americans also pisses me off, from an outside perspective, one can barely tell the difference.

Thank you.

i just got off the toilet (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27783149)

i shit out an obama.

plop!

What's in it for us? (2, Insightful)

Argumentator (1524195) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783277)

Even if we, for the sake of the argument, ignore the practical and ethical issues of current copyright laws as a matter of principle, and buy the argument that infringing copyright hurts the producers and not just the pockets of *AA execs, still, the fact remains that Canada (as well as China, Russia, and the rest of the world) is under huge influx of American corporations, who profit from out-of-border sales while not offering jobs in foreign countries, paying anywhere near the taxes they pay at the states, contribute to foreign producers or foreign culture in general, or otherwise benefit foreign countries in proportion to the profits they make, or seek to make, from them.

Reciprocal treaties, aka "you respect my copyright, I'll respect yours", really are not appealing to foreign governments because the US, by far, exports more of what they call Intellectual Property than other countries export to the states. So pray tell us, if you want our governments to spend our own taxpayers money to enforce your copyright laws so that YOUR companies can make a profit... What's in it for us?

The actual issue... (1)

syncrotic (828809) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783319)

What they're actually sore about is that the Canadian legal system isn't open to the same loophole that allows the RIAA to sue file sharers: you can't sue anonymous users, use subpeonas to get their real names, drop the original lawsuits, and then file new ones with the learned identities. I don't know enough about the legal system to know why that doesn't work, but sure enough, there haven't been any lawsuits against individual filesharers here.

In the absence of that, they'd like laws that force ISPs to store and then divulge user info. This is a politically unpopular proposal that doesn't win a minority government any support, so it keeps getting killed. Sorry, but this is what a government looks like when you have more than two parties: minority governments have to form fragile coalitions that actually listen to their constituents sometimes.

Re:The actual issue... (1)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783441)

Well, depending on who you ask, it's not legal in the U.S., either. They happen to get away with it for now, and at some point in the future, we'll find out if it's legal or not.

Re:The actual issue... (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783487)

Another point is that their usual "Settle out of court for $X or we will bankrupt you in legal fees trying to fight it, even though your case may repel high velocity lead" tactic won't work here due to the loser-pays (aka English Rule) system.

Typical Government Extremist Reaction (3, Insightful)

rossz (67331) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783333)

Pot is as dangerous as heroin.
Ex-GIs might be terrorists.
Canada is as bad as the commies.

Is it any wonder we tend to not believe anything our government says?

We do have a Communist party (1)

HannethCom (585323) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783463)

Here in Canada we have a Communist party.

In the US it is illegal. We don't have freedom of speech, but it sure seems like we have a lot more than the US that claims to have it.

Re:We do have a Communist party (1)

Guy Harris (3803) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783483)

Here in Canada we have a Communist party. In the US it is illegal.

O RLY? [cpusa.org] .

In Canada we pay a levy on all blank media... (1)

JoshDmetro (1478197) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783349)

doesn't matter what we do with it but just in case someone copies something they shouldn't everyone pays. Here let this guy explain. [neil.eton.ca]

Simple english for US RIAA (1)

fireheadca (853580) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783361)

"Copy?" "Right!"

How can I copyright freedom?

These criminals should be jailed if they come here (1)

HannethCom (585323) | more than 5 years ago | (#27783415)

Hey guys, guess what we have different laws from you.

We have business laws that require that when you pay money you have to get something in return. IT IS THE LAW! We don't want your completely broken copyright, or patent system.

Furthermore, since the US is so fond of prosecuting US laws that happened on Canadian soil, I think you deserve the same treatment and if any of you lay foot on Canadian soil, you should be prosecuted as the criminals you are.

The sad part being that your lies are best dis proven by the stats you publish. Maybe you should read them.
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