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Windows 7 Launch Date Leaked — 23 Oct. 2009

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the loose-lips-sink-software dept.

Windows 127

Sockatume writes "Yesterday, two Acer executives in Europe separately let slip details that give us a good date for the release of Windows 7. First, Acer's vice-president for Europe discussed a new product, launching this September, that will support Windows 7's touch features. Asked whether this confirmed the Windows 7 release date as September 2009, he coyly remarked that 'when it's in store it won't have Windows 7 pre-loaded.' Microsoft would probably prefer that he had stopped there, but he added: 'We won't be actually selling [Windows 7] a day before the 23rd October.' Then, Acer's Managing Director for the UK helpfully clarified that while their product will ship with Windows Vista at launch, because it is on sale less than 30 days before the Windows 7 release date, it will be eligible for the 'upgrade program' to get a free upgrade to the new OS."

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How long before SP1? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27786035)

How long until they release Service Pack 1 for it? I'll switch when that comes out.

Re:How long before SP1? (4, Interesting)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786141)

They say they don't want to cannibalize sales, so most companies have a strict rule about not speaking about future products, so as not to discourage users from purchasing the current line-up. That being said, I just don't see how that helps MS, being as loud as they can about their operating systems.

Take for instance the beta program. There's no secret windows 7 is coming. People are already holding off, without a date in mind.

Take for instance the discontinuation of Windows XP. I know tons of people who aren't buying Vista, and since they stopped selling xp, people just aren't buying windows.

I work in computer repair, and now, more than ever, people are just getting 6 year old computers fixed because they don't want vista, no matter what.

I think MS needs a new PR department.

Re:How long before SP1? (4, Informative)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786205)

Take for instance the beta program. There's no secret windows 7 is coming. People are already holding off, without a date in mind.

I work for a large school district in PA and they're holding off for 7 until the 2010-2011 school year. IT staff can get it now since the RC is out, but until then nobody in the district wants to touch Vista unless it's specially requested.

Re:How long before SP1? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27788993)

So, they're holding off buying Vista in order to buy Vista with a different name, or at least a system which is substantially Vista code based.

Clearly, as far as marketing of software goes, you can polish a turd.

Re:How long before SP1? (1)

hoooocheymomma (1020927) | more than 4 years ago | (#27792249)

Vista with a different name, or at least a system which is substantially Vista code based.

Windows 7 has lower system requirements...

Clearly, as far as marketing of software goes, you can polish a turd.

Or perhaps they are just skipping versions to save money, like many enterprises do?

Re:How long before SP1? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27786295)

What has this to do with SP1?

Re:How long before SP1? (1)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786381)

What has this to do with SP1?

Absolutely nothing. GP replied to the highest post rather than making their own thread.

Re:How long before SP1? (0, Troll)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786855)

A new PR department? You can't polish a turd (try it sometime). Microsoft needs a new management structure for development and new development priorities.

Re:How long before SP1? (3, Insightful)

hoooocheymomma (1020927) | more than 4 years ago | (#27787543)

Uh yeah. When I saw the headline, the first thing I thought was, "why is every piece of information about 7 coming out as a leak?"

I wouldn't install Vista with a ten foot pole. Now, maybe I'm an idiot for buying into the "Vista: bad" hype, but, well, I bought into it already, and so did lots of other people.

MS is working on 7 *because* Vista sucks (or is widely perceived to suck). We all know this. No need to try to hide anything. Just tell us what you're doing so we can prepare for 7.

I almost don't believe that every single tidbit of info on 7 genuinely leaking out. It just has to be deliberate. Lots of mundane details are coming out as "leaks" and I think it's because "leak" sounds more interesting than "announcement".

Re:How long before SP1? (1)

Elektroschock (659467) | more than 4 years ago | (#27788181)

"I almost don't believe that every single tidbit of info on 7 genuinely leaking out. It just has to be deliberate. Lots of mundane details are coming out as "leaks" and I think it's because "leak" sounds more interesting than "announcement"."

Exactly.

But what is wrong about Vista?

Re:How long before SP1? (1)

Shagg (99693) | more than 4 years ago | (#27789483)

Now, maybe I'm an idiot for buying into the "Vista: bad" hype

Yes, you are.

Just tell us what you're doing so we can prepare for 7.

They're taking Windows Mojave and renaming it "Windows 7". See, now you don't have to worry about buying the evil Vista!

Re:How long before SP1? (1)

hoooocheymomma (1020927) | more than 4 years ago | (#27792079)

Why are your flamebait replies to me so irrelevant to the points I made? Is it because you lack reading comprehension, or because you're just being an asshole?

Yes, you are.

That is irrelevant. If you had bothered to read as far as the second clause of the sentence, you might have been able to understand that the point I was making was that a sizable portion of the windows using public does not like Vista, and no matter how stupid they *may* be for not liking it, the fact is that this hurts sales. The reason I made this point was to support the following (and more important) point that releasing information about Windows 7 will not hurt Vista; Vista's reputation will hurt Vista. But you just had to focus on the first three words of the sentence. You couldn't go any further. Now, I may be an idiot (I won't deny it), but your miserable failure to understand -- not two sentences strung together -- but just ONE whole sentence -- it just makes me think that you might be an even bigger idiot than I am.

They're taking Windows Mojave and renaming it "Windows 7"...

Again, you are missing the point. I know what Microsoft is doing. We all do. The information was leaked (see TFA). The point I was making was not that I want them to tell me information because I don't know it, but that I want them to openly announce their progress with 7, rather than allowing it to come out in "leak" form.

Re:How long before SP1? (0, Troll)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#27788601)

"I know tons of people who aren't buying Vista, and since they stopped selling xp, people just aren't buying windows."

Odd.
They're [newegg.com] still [tigerdirect.com] selling [dell.com] XP from what I can tell.

They people who aren't buying Windows now are the same people who never buy Windows.

As you can see, ANY OEM can easily ship systems with XP. Dell still does. At no extra cost on many systems. Dell. The fucking largest OEM there is. So stop fucking lying.

Re:How long before SP1? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27789093)

Dell is not the biggest OEM HP is. And most OEMs make it more difficult to buy XP.

Re:How long before SP1? (1)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 4 years ago | (#27791493)

I'm certainly not lying. I'm just mis-informed. Point taken.

That being said, I still challenge you to go to walmart and find me an XP machine. Or find an easily accessible XP retail copy for your new vista machine (note, installing OEM on a computer after it's built is against the EULA).

Maybe it's not impossible, but for an average computer user, it's vanished from their eyes.

Re:How long before SP1? (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#27792313)

You said people weren't buying Vista.
Therfore, those people wouldn't be looking to replace their non-existent Vista with XP, would they?

In case you haven't noticed, DELL is the largest OEM there is, and they still offer plenty of XP options.

Walmart?
Go to?
Let's look at their in-store items:
http://www.walmart.com/browse/Computers/Desktop-Computers/_/N-2pbh?ic=48_0&catNavId=41937&ref=125875.126125%20501457.501458&tab_value=37_Store [walmart.com]

XP!

XP exists if you want, and yes, you can still get the retail version. If it's not pre-installed on the PC of your choice, simply ask the OEM to give it to you. They will happily comply most of the time.

Re:How long before SP1? (1)

hoooocheymomma (1020927) | more than 4 years ago | (#27792317)

You cannot get windows xp on many prebuilt computers. If you think that, coupled with widespread vista hatred, is not making at least some marginal group of people pick up macbooks instead of dells, then you are smokin the reefer.

Re:How long before SP1? (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#27792347)

How is this a troll? It's a factual correction the parent, which is more of a troll (suggesting MS needs a new PR department).

Oh /., you fucking piece of shit.

Re:How long before SP1? (3, Insightful)

MikeURL (890801) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786801)

I'm not just being "flip" when I say Win7 is Vista SP3. I have my doubts that there will be a SP for Win7 that was as consequential as SP2 was for WinXP.

I'd be shocked if Win7 does not roll out smooth as butter. I've been using it on 3 machines for a few months and 1 of those is very old, one is moderately old and the last is fairly new. I use it with lots of old programs and legacy hardware--no problems. It is dialed in folks. If you have any use for the new features then it is pretty much safe to upgrade but you just have to accept that you need to do a clean install and that the programs that Vista broke will still be broken in Win7.

For me I lost Abobe Acrobat 6 when i went to Vista and it isn't like Win7 will now rescue that for me (though maybe with the VM...). BUt really it comes down to features. Check the features because you might even find a few that appeal to you. Personally I'm a big fan of desktop search and I really like that feature in Vista and, I think, they optimized that even further in Win7. I like Previous Versions for all folders. I like the enhanced backup functions. I like the ability to pin things to the taskbar. Also, and maybe it is silly, but I like that control panel comes up as soon as I click it rather than a 1 second delay as the icons are rendered (that shit has pissed me off for years).
Anyway, I just don't think the "wait for SP2" wisdom holds here...

Re:How long before SP1? (1)

rot26 (240034) | more than 4 years ago | (#27790027)

I like Vista except for one BIG problem... the friggin winsxs folder that grows like a cancer, eventually eating up all available disk space. (Mine is currently pushing 10GB.) The sxs feature SEEMS like a good idea, but I don't really run much legacy software, and I would be willing to take my risks turning sxs off if I could. But you can't. You can't do ANYTHING that significantly reduces its size. You're not even supposed to move it to a compressed folder. Bleh.

Re:How long before SP1? (1)

hoooocheymomma (1020927) | more than 4 years ago | (#27787727)

I don't know why this is a troll. Yeah it's a jab, but it's highly valid, and also funny.

I am strongly looking forward to 7 because I want more than 4 gigs of ram on a windows machine and I don't want to mess with Vista or 64-bit XP.

But um... They come out with really critical service packs really early these days...

I have definitely considered waiting...

Verbage is Not Final (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786049)

'We won't be actually selling [Windows 7] a day before the 23rd October.'

I hate to break it to you but that merely means the earliest possible date they could get Windows 7 is October 23rd. I'll bet that if everything goes on track perfectly according to schedule with the release candidate from now until October 23rd, that will be the release date. I'm going to bet--like with 90% of multi-million lines of code projects--that there will be at least some slipping in the schedule.

It's simply too far out there to be a solid date. I'm not sold, I feel this is a good hint but still just speculation. Vendors asked Microsoft when the earliest possible date is and they mistakenly relayed that to customers setting an expectation for their product.

Re:Verbage is Not Final (4, Funny)

pzs (857406) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786365)

It's a bit like delays on trains. If your train is just about due to arrive and they schedule a 15 minute delay, there is a reasonable chance that it will actually be delayed by 15 minutes. If your train is not due to leave for an hour and they put up a 15 minute delay, it will clearly be delayed by a lot more than 15 minutes. The delay will gradually increase during the next hour according to some complex non-linear formula I've never been quite able to derive.

Sometimes, the delay time is listed as "unknown". This is the Duke Nukem Forever of train delays. At this point, it's usually quicker just to walk, even if your journey is several hundred miles.

(for context, I live in the UK)

Re:Verbage is Not Final (2, Informative)

xaxa (988988) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786607)

Off-topic: Live departure and arrival times for British trains [nationalrail.co.uk] -- type in a station, e.g. Clapham Junction [livedepart...ards.co.uk] . Then click "Details" for one of the listed trains, and you can see the times it passed through all the preceding stations on its route, and if it was late, and the predicted time it will arrive at the rest of the stations on its route (depending on why the train is delayed, it might make up the time). This is the same information as is displayed in the station (actually, more information). Also available by SMS, but at 25p a go it's a bit pricey.

Re:Verbage is Not Final (1)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 4 years ago | (#27791875)

It's a bit like delays on trains. If your train is just about due to arrive and they schedule a 15 minute delay, there is a reasonable chance that it will actually be delayed by 15 minutes. If your train is not due to leave for an hour and they put up a 15 minute delay, it will clearly be delayed by a lot more than 15 minutes. The delay will gradually increase during the next hour according to some complex non-linear formula I've never been quite able to derive.

Sometimes, the delay time is listed as "unknown". This is the Duke Nukem Forever of train delays. At this point, it's usually quicker just to walk, even if your journey is several hundred miles.

(for context, I live in the UK)

I had to take your trains last summer when I studied abroad.

My heart goes out to all you poor blokes.

(ok ok, actually, it wasn't that bad, but it was just as expensive as flying (in the states).)

Re:Verbage is Not Final (1)

GauteL (29207) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786717)

"It's simply too far out there to be a solid date. I'm not sold, I feel this is a good hint but still just speculation. "

Let me just state the obvious: it is trivial to release exactly on time if the completeness and the quality of your product is secondary.

They've Got to Hit That Date (0, Flamebait)

mpapet (761907) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786753)

On no uncertain terms, Microsoft has to deliver in October.

Why? OEM's and Microsoft have already sold it into retailers like Worst Buy. Do you think Exec's at Worst Buy want to miss their golden revenue generator in Q4? Acer clearly has been working with Microsoft to deliver #7 for the holiday. I'm sure HP has stuff in the pipe for the holidays too.

If the date slips. It will be an ugly couple of weeks inside Microsoft Retail Sales.

Re:Verbage is Not Final (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27787211)

I feel this is a good hint but still just speculation

Good point. I agree... there is no way that someone from ACER can know what's going to happen, especially considering that Microsoft likely doesn't know.

However there may be contracts in place that does make "October 23rd" a magic date in terms of "free W7 upgrades", etc. Given the precision of the data provided by the ACER execs, it seems reasonable that those dates ARE special.

As a consumer looking forward to a new consumer OS, I think I can walk away with the idea that if I need a new PC, and if I can wait a bit, I should wait until then. Buying on October 15th would be just silly.

Re:Verbage is Not Final (3, Interesting)

bobcat7677 (561727) | more than 4 years ago | (#27787313)

According to the official email I got from Microsoft this morning announcing the Win 7 RC1 download, the RTM schedule "might be as short as 3 months" if things go well. Which would put the RTM in the July-August time frame.

Personally, I think October is more realistic. Just mentioning what the "official" Microsoft email said.

Re:Verbage is Not Final (1)

et764 (837202) | more than 4 years ago | (#27790331)

Keep in mind that RTM means "Released To Manufacturing." In other words, it's the date the developers stop working on it and they hand the final product off to the people that stamp millions of pretty CDs, put them in boxes and ship them out to all the distribution channels. It takes a little while after RTM before you can actually buy a product in stores.

Re:Verbage is Not Final (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27790615)

Ubuntu 9.04 was released on 23rd April 2009

Ubuntu 9.10 to be released on 23rd October 2009?

Interesting.

A sure thing (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27786075)

Bet the farm Ma... Because Microsoft always hits their release dates.

Re:A sure thing (2, Funny)

downix (84795) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786243)

Like when Windows 4 hit the shelves in October 1993 as promised!

(the irony with Windows 4 being retitled "Windows 95" here folk)

Planned leak (5, Insightful)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786119)

What gets me about this sort of leak is that we all treat it as some sort of big news when in reality we are leaked information in this way all the time. Notice that it is always someone high up in the foodchain talking to someone in the media.

A real accidental leak would be something overheard at a bar where the speaker didn't know a reporter was listening. But when the guy says it straight out to a reporter, that isn't leaking, that's just an unofficial announcement.

Remember when Adam Osborne announced that the next version of his PC would be better than his current one and everyone stopped buying in anticipation? Leaks are always carefully planned but don't always have the effect you're looking for.

Re:Planned leak (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 4 years ago | (#27787101)

A real accidental leak would be something overheard at a bar where the speaker didn't know a reporter was listening.

That would qualify as a rumor, not a leak. Rumors come from unknown sources with unknown provenance - leaks come from known sources with a known provenance.
 

But when the guy says it straight out to a reporter, that isn't leaking, that's just an unofficial announcement.

A leak is something that is let slip, while an unofficial announcement is something done deliberately. Telling the difference between the two is a matter of examining context - and the context here is of an accident and followup. (Not to mention that Microsoft is extremely unlikely to make an unofficial announcement via a third party.)

Re:Planned leak (1)

TimothyDavis (1124707) | more than 4 years ago | (#27787853)

I don't think you know your leaks very well. If it were planned, it would have been a leaked internal document/email.

What is happening here is an exec betting that Microsoft won't retaliate against this leak - and likely they won't. Acer is an important OEM to Microsoft.

Meanwhile, Acer gets free publicity.

Re:Planned leak (1)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 4 years ago | (#27791953)

What gets me about this sort of leak is that we all treat it as some sort of big news when in reality we are leaked information in this way all the time. Notice that it is always someone high up in the foodchain talking to someone in the media.

A real accidental leak would be something overheard at a bar where the speaker didn't know a reporter was listening. But when the guy says it straight out to a reporter, that isn't leaking, that's just an unofficial announcement.

Remember when Adam Osborne announced that the next version of his PC would be better than his current one and everyone stopped buying in anticipation? Leaks are always carefully planned but don't always have the effect you're looking for.

It's no surprise they're doing this on purpose.

What gets me is how great this viral marketing is working. Even I've got 7 fever-- I just want to get rid of XP (supposedly 7 is faster than Vista at games; I'm CPU limited in Vista but not as much in XP).

Seems fine to me (1)

haxxorboi (1545179) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786179)

Even if it be final I'm very hopeful for the new release and knowing that it will be before the winter holiday season (most likely) gives me great hope that I'll be able to get a final version by the end of the year. I've been running several linked versions and am currently running version 7100 and it's at least on par with XP for gaming, multitasking, and general use without the bugs and bloats of Vista.

You never know though, we could get a leaked final version a month early! Let's just hope Microsoft doesn't screw this up between now and October/November!

OMG I gotta have it!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27786231)

Vista 2009, I mean Windows 7, will be awesome! I can't wait to install it on all my computers! I'll throw out the old clunkers which Vista 2009, I mean Windows 7, will not support with drivers! It's going to be so worth it! Vista is AWESOME!

why? (1)

PixetaledPikachu (1007305) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786271)

Why is everything about Windows 7 leaky? Or leak is now considered as an acceptable replacement for the word announce

Re:why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27786337)

Why is everything about Windows 7 leaky?

New security model

Help me get with the program... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27786347)

Hi, I'm looking for a list of talking points about why Windows 7 is horrible. They must be emotionally charged, unfounded, and repeated often enough that people start to believe. Preferably, I would like the opinion of people who think they know things about operating systems offering technical reasons why it is bad. That way my opinion seems more real, like the kids say.

Also, please leave things like facts out of this...they are unamerican and unnecessary in most of life.

Mole Day!! (2, Interesting)

elton (5651) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786357)

Thanks to my high school chemistry teacher Mr. Weisbrook, 10/23 will forever be known as Mole Day.
http://chemistry.about.com/od/dictionariesglossaries/g/defmole.htm [about.com]
6.022 x 10^23

Re:Mole Day!! (4, Funny)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786475)

Greetings. Clearly you are new to Slashdot. I think you will fit in better if you would stop linking to about.com instead of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is the only authoritative source for scientific information, popular culture and anything else.

Also, it is important to note that all posts must contain at least one mispelling.

Abide by these rules and one day you will be an accepted member of Slashdot.

Re:Mole Day!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27786535)

Oh ho! Yes! Is funny because grandparent poster has four digit UID, so has been here long time! Ohhh.... :)

Re:Mole Day!! (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786733)

Not necessarily. Slashdot had a competition of some sort last year, and one of the prizes was an abandoned low-UID account.

Re:Mole Day!! (1)

geekboy642 (799087) | more than 4 years ago | (#27790429)

As a result, of course, I've started treating everyone with a UID lower than me as though they'd bought their account. ...so, uh, "Nimey" (if that is your real name) how much didya pay for yours?

Another /. trick (1)

TimothyDavis (1124707) | more than 4 years ago | (#27788055)

Even better than mispelling is a well crafted ambigious use of 'lose' and 'loose'.

For example: "The Acer leak of the Win7 launch date caused Microsoft to loose this secret information."

This will cause many readers to reparse your sentence a couple of times trying to figure out what you really mean.

Re:Mole Day!! (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786649)

Actually on an unfunny note, the about.com article incorrectly states that a mole is 6.022 * 10^23. That is only an approximation. It was presented to me as an exact as well when I was in H.S., but that is not correct.

My question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27786389)

Is Windows 7 going to be using resources more efficiently, or less efficiently than Windows XP?

I still don't understand the concept that each new OS has to be more resource intensive than the last. I want something that can manage my resources, not consume them.

Other than to force us to buy the latest hardware, of course. But that's not for us. Where's our gain?

not really news (1)

nimbius (983462) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786547)

considering the release date for most microsoft products gets "leaked" at some point when theyre remotely close to a release. to the open source community, regularly leaking dates about the release of your product is called a release schedule...so perhaps this is redmonds attempt?

Let's hear the response from MS shills now... (0, Troll)

jkrise (535370) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786595)

When Vista was launched and no one adopted it in a big way... it was, like: This is what happened when XP got released.. .it will be okay when SP2 comes out. And now, Vista has well and truly bombed in Corporate Circles and now Windows 7 is coming up. Given that it is Vista SP3; it will receive the same response from Corporates despite XP running in Virtual mode; because the XP will not have direct access to hardware and old software will still be broken.

So what do the MS shills have to say now? If Vista is the greatest selling OS, why is a successor launched so soon? If newer h/w vendors come up with Netbooks running Linux or ARM-based h/w; how will MS respond?

Re:Let's hear the response from MS shills now... (2, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786627)

You do realise only idiots and people with an agenda tend to call Windows 7 'Vista SP3', don't you?

Re:Let's hear the response from MS shills now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27786799)

No, jkrise is too much of an idiot to realize that.

Re:Let's hear the response from MS shills now... (1)

JohnBailey (1092697) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786815)

You do realise only idiots and people with an agenda tend to call Windows 7 'Vista SP3', don't you?

Would you prefer ME2.1 or perhaps Vista SE?

Re:Let's hear the response from MS shills now... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27787327)

If Vista is the greatest selling OS, why is a successor launched so soon?

Since when is 3 years soon? Looking back at Windows releases they had 1995, 1998, 2000, 2001. One of the biggest problems Microsoft had with Vista was the fact that they went over 5 years before releasing it. This led to the compatibility issues, the significant change in hardware requirements, and most of Vista's other problems.

They said they would never again go 5 years between OS releases and it's probably one of their better ideas.

can you guys stop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27786661)

Oh keep talking about bad software, the way this is looking people will think that vista revisited (aka windows 7) is the best thing, And what leak? is not part of Microsoft plan to keep people paying attention to the crap

Just grow up

Only MS software can leak before being released (1)

awpoopy (1054584) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786909)

Only MS software can leak before being released.
Or did I read that wrong?
</sarcasm>

update-manager -d is better, faster, cheaper =P (-1, Troll)

supernatendo (1523947) | more than 4 years ago | (#27786921)

Most likely I will be typing update-manager -d on my Ubuntu 9.04 workstation at around the same time all those suckers out there waste hundreds of dollars on yet another insecure Windows OS.

Sure they will have made strides at security above and beyond XP and Vista; but as long as Windows continues to use a registry, allow a user account to disable UAC for processes requesting access as Administrator without requiring a password, continue touting security through obscurity, and still refuse to adopt a similar lib model followed by Unix based OSes; they will propagate viruses, spyware, and rootkits at rates equal or exceeding today, far exceeding the rate of malware propagation in Linux, BSD, and OS X.

Re:update-manager -d is better, faster, cheaper =P (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27787029)

You forgot sudo, so you won't get far with that command...

Re:update-manager -d is better, faster, cheaper =P (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27787179)

Real men run as root.
http://www.garyshood.com/root/

Nooooo.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27787055)

...no on my birthday!

It will forever be remembered as the dawn of oh teh horrorxorz!
How can I make a party on that day, when all the people will either be nauseous sick at home, or mourning the loss of their computers and family members?

Push up Ubuntu 9.10? (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 4 years ago | (#27787093)

Ubuntu 9.10 is currently slated to be released six days later [ubuntu.com] .

Could it possibly be worth advancing Ubuntu's release date by about 10 days, just to steel Microsoft's thunder?

Re:Push up Ubuntu 9.10? (1)

InfiniteLoopCounter (1355173) | more than 4 years ago | (#27788225)

I'd be happy if they just take their time and release proper updates. Last update to Jaunty broke my system so badly I could not run anything xorg related. I did fix it. However, it shouldn't have happened.

Technically, it occurred because an old xorg directory was stored in /usr/local/lib in addition to the newer one in /usr/lib, and the older one was first in the path for root. The solution [launchpad.net] to delete the older files (from some previous Ubuntu version) shouldn't have been necessary.

To reiterate -- I'd be happy for them to take as much time as is reasonable to polish it so that major known bugs are squashed and the upgrade actually works.

Re:Push up Ubuntu 9.10? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27789493)

Considering 9.10 won't be advertised to the general public, no one outside of Slashdot would care anyway

No problem here (1)

arrgster (951348) | more than 4 years ago | (#27787223)

I'm no IE fan but I just installed it and it didn't override my settings. It did however change it's default search engine to yahoo, and when I went to change it back to Google the option wasn't there. I actually had to do a little work to get Google added back, which was annoying. Doesn't really matter, I'm sticking with Firefox...

Re:No problem here (1)

blazerw (47739) | more than 4 years ago | (#27788093)

I think you posted to the wrong story. This story is about the next Ubuntu release in late October, Karmic Koala.

Re:No problem here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27788193)

Fail.

Eight years, one day later (1)

UnrefinedLayman (185512) | more than 4 years ago | (#27788065)

This release will come eight years almost to the day after the release of Windows XP. I'm using the beta of 7 at home, just like I used all the betas and RCs of XP at home. Looking at Windows then and Windows now, I see a huge missed opportunity. I am pleased with Windows 7, and I think Microsoft has made a lot of smart decisions in their design, production, and marketing of the OS, but it still feels like more of a mea culpa than a solid, polished OS.

If Microsoft's management had been on top of their shit, this product would have released four years ago and what we're seeing today could be so much more. Unfortunately, their back-to-the-drawing-board idea with Longhorn [wikipedia.org] , though a good thing in the end, lost so many years of work and code that it seriously stunted Microsoft's growth of the OS.

Hence Windows Vista. Hence Windows 7. What I'm going to be most interested in is, once 7 is out and people lower the volume of their trash-talking, what is Microsoft going to do next? What major technologies are they working on? What is their vision for the desktop? Windows 7 is just Windows Vista with two more years of polish. Though a terrific upgrade from Vista, I want to hear more about Microsoft's research projects and what real, major features they're working on for future OSes. I'm tired of hearing about multitouch, because that is quickly becoming genericized among OS makers and will remain out of reach for most users for some time, being hardware-dependent.

Ask anyone what they'd change about Windows and you'll get a litany of complaints. Ask Microsoft and they'll tell you Windows is perfect, you just don't understand it.

And on October 24th... (1)

ByrneArena (848313) | more than 4 years ago | (#27789157)

The first security update for Windows 7 will be sent out.

Re:And on October 24th... (2, Insightful)

memristance (1285036) | more than 4 years ago | (#27792189)

You'll probably be off by a day. The shipped product will invariably be older than a daily snapshot from the 23rd, so it is very likely that Win7 will have to download the most recent Windows Defender definitions if nothing else.

fu3ker (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27789417)

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Great OS. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27790043)

Just love windows 7! It is everything Vista should have been. Saying this, i make my living since 1997 on non windows software.

Should be an upgrade for Vista users (2, Insightful)

Karem Lore (649920) | more than 4 years ago | (#27790941)

I still believe that Windows 7 should be a free upgrade to Windows Vista buyers...It's been a very short run for Vista and with people having forked out for Vista I think that Microsoft may have a difficult time charging again for Windows 7.

right in the release of Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala (1)

dominux (731134) | more than 4 years ago | (#27791489)

According to the release schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule [ubuntu.com] that is a day after the Karmic release candidate. Karmic will be released on October 29th and I don't expect slippage on that. Mark was talking about distros getting release dates aligned, I didn't expect Microsoft to be the first to respond.
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