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Cameron's Avatar a 3D Drug Trip?

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the i'll-take-three-squid-recordings-and-a-bag-of-chips dept.

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bowman9991 writes "James Cameron's first movie since Titanic, his upcoming science fiction epic Avatar, has a budget pushing US$200 million and enough hype to power a mission to Mars. Now it appears the 3D technology he created to turn his vision into a reality, the key to Avatar's success or failure, may be habit forming. Dr. Mario Mendez, a behavioral neurologist at the University of California, said it is entirely possible Cameron's 3D technology could tap brain systems that are undisturbed by conventional 2D movies. Cameron himself believes 3D viewing 'is so close to a real experience that it actually triggers memory creation in a way that 2D viewing doesn't' and that stereoscopic (3D) viewing uses more neurons, which would further heighten its impact."

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215 comments

Drug Trip? Great Idea! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27791175)

I personally plan on smoking some weed before I see it.

I wish I knew where I could find some mushrooms...

Re:Drug Trip? Great Idea! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27791391)

not a troll mod up please

Re:Drug Trip? Great Idea! (0)

Rooktoven (263454) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791733)

sensitive mods...

Re:Drug Trip? Great Idea! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27791755)

more like retarded mods...

sheesh... they mod up garbage and mod down truth.

yeah, no really... (5, Funny)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791405)

No, seriously though, guys, this 3d movie IS SOOOO 3d, that if it made sense, I'd just go ahead and label it with a few more dimensions. In fact, it's 4d! By the time you leave the theater, you'll feel like you're in the future! Hours will have passed!

TLDR: 3d is the same as it's been, nothing to see here, move along.

Re:yeah, no really... (1)

Rooktoven (263454) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791745)

...Hours will have passed!

Wish I had mod points.

Re:yeah, no really... (4, Interesting)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792219)

Films are 4D. The time dimension is represented by slices of time, or frames. You can look at any place along the movie's time dimension you want, by traveling along your own time dimension, the "real" one. You can, in theory, have multiple time dimensions just as multiple space dimensions.

Presumably, this is how everyone from Dr. Manhattan to The Prophets of DS9 view the world, though clearly things get a bit touchy when they interact with the film strip that is our reality. They have no way to predict the outcome before trying it, in our timeline, than we do. They just see the results instantly. Presumably they cannot travel along their own timeline to stop themselves from doing something they did in their own timeline's past.

And when.. (3, Funny)

CRiMSON (3495) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791185)

Do we get 3d porn!!

Re:And when.. (5, Funny)

Narpak (961733) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791241)

The bigger question is; When we DO get 3D porn will it make you believe, and create the memory, that you've had actually sex? And if it does; hi to you population decrease.

Re:And when.. (5, Funny)

jeffshoaf (611794) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791931)

The bigger question is; When we DO get 3D porn will it make you believe, and create the memory, that you've had actually sex? And if it does; hi to you population decrease.

And a lot fewer comments posted on Slashdot...

Re:And when.. (4, Funny)

keytoe (91531) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792251)

DON'T DATE ROBOTS!

Re:And when.. (5, Funny)

eataTREE (7407) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792337)

Somehow, I manage not to have sex, without the benefit of this amazing technology you describe...

Re:And when.. (1)

Mprx (82435) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791303)

Several years ago:
http://3d-eros.com/ [3d-eros.com] (NWS obviously)

Hype, nothing (5, Funny)

Kelson (129150) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791209)

At $200 million, they're approaching the ability to fund a mission to Mars.

Re:Hype, nothing (5, Informative)

Me-The-Person (852147) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791275)

Not quite... "According to spokesmen of both NASA and the federal government, the price tag of the mission to Mars currently sits at approximately $11 billion over the course of the multi-stage implementation of the program. Unfortunately, flipping this extraordinary bill is only a small portion of the whole sum of costs imposed by the Mars Exploration Program." - http://www.mises.org/article.aspx?Id=1440 [mises.org]

Re:Hype, nothing (1)

khallow (566160) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792007)

I guess they better not use NASA as their means to get in space then.

11 billion? is nothing. was Re:Hype, nothing (4, Interesting)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792011)

What is 11 billion to our Federal Government? It gives 10 times that much money to bail out AIG every quarter. Almost.

When Christopher Columbus was trying to get funding for his expedition, he finally persuaded Queen Isabella and Ferdinand that the cost of three ships, provisions, crew pay all put together is less than what Her Majesty Q Isabella was spending to entertain visiting aristocratic guests for three weeks.

Re:Hype, nothing (1)

conejito_andarin (987530) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792097)

That's only for a manned mission. Come down a couple orders of magnitude for unmanned.

Re:Hype, nothing (1)

b4dc0d3r (1268512) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792197)

You must be great fun at parties

Re:Hype, nothing (1)

Kelson (129150) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792325)

Depends on the kind of mission. If you're sending people, yeah, it'll be hideously expensive. But the original 90-day Spirit and Opportunity mission cost around $800 million. That's $400 each, or two big-budget movies per rover.

Re:Hype, nothing (1, Flamebait)

Tacvek (948259) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791559)

At $200 million, they're approaching the ability to fund a mission to Mars.

That sort of money could indeed by the bulk of the operating costs for a mission to mars. But unfortunately it is only a tiny fraction of the planning costs, especially since some form of special spacecraft would be needed for a mission landing on mars, and AFAIK that is still yet to be developed.

But the claim of enough hype to power a mission to mars? Very odd considering this is the very first time I've even heard of the film. If the level of hype here could Power a mission to mars, than the level of hype for the iPhone shortly before its release could power a mission to another galaxy.

Re:Hype, nothing (2, Funny)

meyekul (1204876) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792083)

It would be cheaper just to film the whole thing on earth and nobody would know the difference. Why didn't they think of that before? Oh wait...

It's true, I'm addicted to 3D. (5, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791231)

After watching several 3D movies back to back, I now find myself completely addicted to 3D and finding myself craving it all the time in my everyday life. I've tried to give it up, but after only a few minutes of having one eye shut I start to get a headache and my eye muscles get sore, not to mention I'm completely unable of functioning and find myself bumping into things and knocking things over when I reach for them. James Cameron must be stopped!

Re:It's true, I'm addicted to 3D. (4, Funny)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791263)

I only wish I could experience 3d more in my day to day life.

Why must I have to wear special glasses and go into a darkened theater to experience 3d? Why?

Re:It's true, I'm addicted to 3D. (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791383)

I've had this idea for years of a sort of fourth dimension where instead of viewing a 2D or 3D image you actually see an image changing from time to time. Most people aren't familiar with the phenomenon of "motion" so it does have the potential to cause discomfort but think of the possibilities!

Re:It's true, I'm addicted to 3D. (1)

paazin (719486) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791929)

Woah, woah, woah. Slow down there, killer lest you want to be sued into oblivion - I already patented [uspto.gov] that.

Re:It's true, I'm addicted to 3D. (1)

Vexor (947598) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792255)

For the price of a movie ticket these days it might be cheaper to buy some pot and watch some pirated films.

2D vs 3D (1)

Yergle143 (848772) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791997)

If this is true why do people prefer the movies to live theater? I'll take my answer off-line.

Re:It's true, I'm addicted to 3D. (1)

srollyson (1184197) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792009)

I get the impression that they set the two "cameras" farther apart than a typical pair of eyes. It creates an exaggerated sense of depth that you can't usually experience without a pair of binoculars.

Re:It's true, I'm addicted to 3D. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27791603)

I tried that to. The police ordered me to stop that after I hit 3 different cars.

So what? (5, Funny)

localman57 (1340533) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791233)

Just because something is 3d, it doesn't necessarily excite the brain... I'm staring at my desk in 3d right now, and all I feel is bordom...

Re:So what? (2, Insightful)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791973)

Seriously, though, the Polar Express sequence when the kid's trudging along the top of the train in the dark with snow and howling winds takes on a whole new level of terror that's not there in the 2D version. No longer is it just a "flat" thing to walk along.

In fact, it was such a powerful sequence, I'm surprised it's taking this long to get here as a mass market thing. It's only been 2 years since the local Showcase installed a 3D-capable IMAX theater, and then it's only used for Pixar releases and the like, and even then it's only 1 of 4 theater rooms showing the film, the other 3 being normal, non-3D, non-IMAX screens.

Nah, this'll be a bigger change, the kind you say "I can't believe we didn't have that!", like you do about the Internet, or a TiVo, or the frictionless, free-spinning mouse wheel from the big Logitech Revolution. Not a small change like B&W -> Color TV, or Color TV -> HDTV.

Re:So what? (4, Insightful)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792113)

I think the point is, that you would not look at a boring desk, but at something that you would normally never see in reality, but start confusing it with reality, thereby shocking you into insanity. ^^

I don't know if it it, but it sounds much like the arguments some people make against games. You know, the "I think people are too stupid to know that this is not reality, and will go on the streets, killing everyone, *because of it*." kind.

I feel very confident that I can distinguish that stuff. And I really hope it triggers some memory creation. I wouldn't want to pay for it, and remember nothing.
I am also the kind of person, who really *really* loves getting sucked into a movie or game.
You know. The moments when you come out of the cinema... and somehow, the whole world looks different.
You may have experienced it with Matrix. And with Fight Club. I certainly did.
And I totally love it.

Because no matter what horrors and just plain weird events you might remember very realistically afterwards, in the end you get some beautiful new views, grow a bit wiser, and will always know that it was just a movie.

Except of course, if you were a retard in the first place. ^^ (= the exception)

Dr Mario? (4, Funny)

FluffyWithTeeth (890188) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791239)

I'm not surprised it'd be habit forming, with the amount of pills Dr Mario throws down patients' throats.

Damn, now I want to pull out a SNES and play Mixed Match..

Re:Dr Mario? (1)

GerardAtJob (1245980) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791693)

Same here!
Dr.Mario is the only thing I saw in the entire article lol

Only $200 million? (1)

JJRRutgers (595466) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791281)

IIRC, a small little art film called Titanic cost over $200 mil to make.

Re:Only $200 million? (1)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791613)

Where do you think Cameron made the money to fund this one?

Re:Only $200 million? (0, Redundant)

Tacvek (948259) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791619)

IIRC, a small little art film called Titanic cost over $200 mil to make.

Interesting you point that out considering the first few words of the summary:

James Cameron's first movie since 'Titanic'

Re:Only $200 million? (1)

Burkin (1534829) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791659)

Whoosh?

Astroturfing is habit forming (4, Insightful)

mugnyte (203225) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791301)

  In other news, a purveyor of some media claims it's the best thing evar!!11!! You'll have to pay 10$ to see for yourself, but do not miss it!

  I think the only important word in the article is $200M. This means hype, and lots of it. Don't be fooled kids, they need you to help pay for this cartoon.

Re:Astroturfing is habit forming (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27791783)

Would it be smarter of them to not market the movie? Or maybe they shouldn't even be allowed to make it since the motivation possibly doesn't meet your standards of purity?

I am personally happy that people work to entertain me. If I choose to pay them for doing so, does that make me a sheep of some sort?

I need these questions answered so I know how to think in the future. Help me, Slashdot!

Re:Astroturfing is habit forming (2, Insightful)

Burkin (1534829) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791847)

If I choose to pay them for doing so, does that make me a sheep of some sort?

Of course. IF you watch or listen to anything made by the "mainstream" movie and music industries you clearly aren't as hip and cool as the non-conformists who only watch/listen to indy garbage.

Re:Astroturfing is habit forming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27791855)

Fogging the view, cupping face to the window
In darkness you make out a spiraling shape
Putting all reason aside you exchange
What you've got for a thing that's hypnotic and strange

The spiraling shape will make you go insane
(Everyone wants to see that groovy thing)
But everyone wants to see that groovy thing
(Everyone wants to see that thing)

And nobody knows what it's really like
But everyone says it's great
And they heard it from the spiral in their eyes ...

Put out your hands and you fall through the window
And clawing at nothing you drop through the void
Your terrified screams are inaudible drowned
In the spiral ahead and consumed in the shape

The spiraling shape will make you go insane
(Everyone wants to see that groovy thing)
But everyone wants to see that groovy thing
(Everyone wants to see that thing)

And now that you've tried it, you're back to report
That the spiraling shape was a fraud and a fake
You didn't enjoy it, you never believed it
There won't be a refund, you'll never go back ...

Don't spend the rest of your life wondering
(Everyone wants to see that thing)

  - from "Spiralling Shape" by They Might Be Giants

Re:Astroturfing is habit forming (2, Funny)

Gat0r30y (957941) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792221)

I think the only important word in the article is $200M. This means hype, and lots of it.

Its only hype if the movie doesn't sync with a Pink Floyd album in a meaningful way.

They said it before... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27791307)

They said this before when 3D movies first came out. It was a new thing and they talked about possible side-effects, euphoric experiences, etc. This is nothing new. You just wear dinky sunglasses in the dark, that's all.

This is just hype and I don't have high hopes for Avatar...

Re:They said it before... (1)

Tacvek (948259) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791605)

Besides the level of hype is could not be nearly as high as the Summary claims considering that I've never even heard of it before this article.

Re:They said it before... (1)

ivucica (1001089) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791915)

Level of hype it generated on Slashdot?

This Account Has Been Suspended [sffmedia.com]

Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible.

Looks sufficiently high to me ;)

You can always count on Slashdot... (2, Informative)

Suiggy (1544213) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791323)

...to push stories from years ago as if they were just published to the masses. The article is from November 2007.

Yes, and a good way to take over the Enterprise! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27791325)

If that annoying Wesley Crusher and his (almost) girlfriend don't interfere with the plan!

Meeting the high standards of our community forum (4, Informative)

khallow (566160) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791347)

So in other words, we shouldn't watch this highly dangerous movie with its wicked three dee technology. Our brains are incapable of resisting this unholy lure since we have evolved in a natural two dimensional world. The following quote bodes well for the story:

"It was like doing some kind of drug," he said, describing a scene showing Sam Worthington running around "with this kind of hot alien chick," and being attacked by jaguarlike creatures. He was sprinkled with sprites that floated down, like snowflakes. "You feel like the little feathery things are landing on your arm".

In other words, it's a typical fantasy movie with spaceships masquerading as science fiction.

Finally, is it me or is this an Onion story reject? A bit more funny and it'd fit right in.

Re:Meeting the high standards of our community for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27791431)

In other words, it's a typical fantasy movie with spaceships masquerading as science fiction.

But it's an EPIC! That means it's better than all those other fantasy movies, right?

Re:Meeting the high standards of our community for (1)

khallow (566160) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791653)

Quite true. They have spent $200 million on the thing and we all know more money means better movie.

3D Glasses (2, Funny)

doas777 (1138627) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791351)

the only memory i have after seeing a 3D movie, is how much the cheap paper glasses hurt the bridge of my nose

Uncanny nightmares (2, Interesting)

Garbad Ropedink (1542973) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791359)

So far the only thing I've heard Cameron talk about this movie is about how this movie is going to be ultra realistic 3D rendering. At which point it begs the question why not just use live actors from the get go? The biggest obstacle you have when doing hyper realistic 3D productions is the uncanny valley and getting characters that wind up looking like wax statues. Plus these live action directors have zero head for directing animation. Think Polar Express and Monster House. It's all mocap since they can't deal with regular animation pipelines. And mocap presents even more problems with believability, since if everything's not bang on 100% real, the jerky movement you get with mocap ruins the experience. There are reasons animation principles were developed.

If this movie winds up giving people fake memories it could very well result in horrible nightmares...

Gollum (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791671)

So far the only thing I've heard Cameron talk about this movie is about how this movie is going to be ultra realistic 3D rendering. At which point it begs the question why not just use live actors from the get go?

In a speculative fiction film, at least, makeup to turn a human actor into any of several races might be cost prohibitive if it's more than a rubber-forehead alien [tvtropes.org] . That's why when Andy Serkis played the part of Smeagol, a mutant hobbit who used the alias "Gollum", he wore a motion capture suit and the actual character was computer-generated.

Re:Uncanny nightmares (2, Interesting)

jhfry (829244) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791757)

So far the only thing I've heard Cameron talk about this movie is about how this movie is going to be ultra realistic 3D rendering. At which point it begs the question why not just use live actors from the get go?

I hate to say it, but some of the ultra realistic 3d renderings I have seen recently have been more realistic than live actors... sort of.

Why? because it's difficult to make the impossible look like it really happened with just filming techniques. So you end up with a good live action dialog followed by a CG or special effect scene that tries but just doesn't quite look real.

If you don't try to recreate something "real" and instead go for a consistent almost-real look, you don't have those periods of distraction where the director switches to special effects or CG. Overall the movie feels more realistic because your not reminded that it isn't real.

Of course, there are always those people who can't get past the slight differences between CG and real.

Oh, and until you see the movie, don't judge. The "ultra realistic 3d" might just be that good. I know I have seen some amazing renderings lately.

I'm blind in one eye... (1)

Sans_A_Cause (446229) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791363)

...so I'll try to rescue you once you're in the movie. Remember: take the red pill.

Re:I'm blind in one eye... (2, Informative)

emudoug42 (977380) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791519)

I'm blind in one eye too. The latest 3d trend makes me sad, cause it sounds so cool. I remember being sad I couldn't go see captain nemo when I went to disnyworld as a kid.

Question (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27791577)

Do you date Asians?

Re:I'm blind in one eye... (5, Interesting)

Hottie Parms (1364385) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791717)

I'm not blind, but because I was cross-eyed for many years before I had corrective surgery, my brain tends to focus out of one eye primarily. My stereoscopic vision is quite limited, thus reducing depth perception and making it nearly impossible to see using those 3D glasses.

I remember staring at those Magic Eye posters for hours, frustrated that all the other kids could see dolphins and ships and stuff, while all I saw was a bunch of weird looking colors.

Thanks to the wonders of a college class on Visual Perception, I now understand why. Mod this "+5, Woe is me"?

Re:I'm blind in one eye... (1)

iphayd (170761) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791881)

OK, xkcd had this one licked- What if I take _both_ pills?

True Story (5, Funny)

heyitsjon (1544855) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791365)

I saw The Terminator 3D at universal studios when I was 8, and I've been looking for John Connor since then.

Wow. (1)

James Skarzinskas (518966) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791369)

Dr. Mario? Gotta envy the guy. He's got like a bazillion video games named after him and everything.

Hey Hiro... Wanna try some Snow Crash? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27791381)

Neal Stephenson called it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_crash

One of the plot devices is a drug that can be absorbed visually.

Interestingly, Stephenson is also the one who coined the modern use of 'Avatar' in virtual worlds.

Re:Hey Hiro... Wanna try some Snow Crash? (1)

eggoeater (704775) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791841)

Yup, Snow Crash was the first thing I thought of when I saw the words Avatar, 3d, and drug.

Is there an actual plot or characters or anything in Cameron's movie, or is this going to be another star wars ep I?

Re:Hey Hiro... Wanna try some Snow Crash? (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792037)

He also named his hero "Hiro", jesus, he totally copied Heroes on NBC! >:-(

Re:Hey Hiro... Wanna try some Snow Crash? (1)

mlebrun42 (1322895) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792171)

If Avatar has a sword wielding motorcyclist cyber-ninja I'm calling shenanigans and getting my ticket reserved at the same time :P

horseshit hype (3, Interesting)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791421)

In the same New York Times article, Dr. Mario Mendez, a behavioural neurologist at the University of California, said it is entirely possible Camerons 3D technology could tap brain systems that are undisturbed by conventional 2D movies. An inner global-positioning system that orients a person to the surrounding world, was one example he gave.

ORLY?

And what if I went to a theater, with THREE DIMENSIONAL HUMAN BEINGS walking around on a THREE DIMENSIONAL STAGE! How would my "inner global-positioning system" react to that!

Just the usual bollocks that "news" magazines print when a big movie comes out. Remember the stories about "possible giant apes" when King Kong was released?

And Slashdot goes along with it, uncritically regurgitating the crappy pseudo news written to promote the next Big Summer Movie.

The movie itself may well be fun. But news and science shouldn't whore themselves out to Hollywood.

Sounds like PR BS (1)

DeafDumbBlind (264205) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791433)

NT

Viral marketing (4, Funny)

Cruciform (42896) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791463)

If you think viral marketing is bad now, just wait until they start putting advertising payloads in the flu.

Every case of intestinal distress comes with a sudden urge to watch High School Musical XIII.

Or is it the other way around?

Re:Viral marketing (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792143)

That wouldn't work. As soon as you'd start watching it, you would feel the urge to aggresivery vomit and shit your pants, until all the intestinal distress is gone.
And then you would wake up, thinking "WTF am I watching?" *click*

Movies are so last century (2, Insightful)

viralMeme (1461143) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791477)

"Cameron himself believes 3D viewing 'is so close to a real experience that it actually triggers memory creation in a way that 2D viewing doesn't' and that stereoscopic (3D) viewing uses more neurons, which would further heighten its impact"

Anyone who has regularly played the current crop of First Person Shooter [bluesnews.com] games experience the cinema as a bit of a lot down. It's not the act of viewing in 3D but interacting with the characters and moving about the landscape, so we are already familiar with the Cameron effect. Now if only they could get the AIs [stanford.edu] to behave as if they had some real intelligence. It does also get a bit boring blowing away aliens in the underground tunnels of the Black Mesa Research Facility.

Re:Movies are so last century (3, Interesting)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792125)

I partially disagree. The "old crop", i.e. very old, ala Quake, had some interesting properties the modern crop do not.

Quake I consider the first "true" 3D game because the tilt up and down were rendered in true 3D, whereas previous shooters like Duke Nukem, Doom, and Wolf 3D used a rendering trick that took out one of the matrix multiplications or something. This had the effect of reducing the rendering processor power needed (which was for 386 machines, with no hardware acceleration). But a side effect was you couldn't tilt up and down with proper rendering, though they did do a little distortion trick to simulate it, which got uglier the further you tilted.

Anyhoo, with the Quake software renderer (prior to the first Quake-capable 3D cards like 3dFX and, ultimately, Matrox PowerVR) you had a blocky scene, but with more CPU horsepower, you could get 60-70 fps, which was so smooth you lost any traces of stutter or flickering at the edges of notice. It became like looking through a window at a real world.

Nowadays you get that fast of an fps, but things just don't have that effect. And that's not including the immersion-breaking stutters as the system pages or loads a lot of new data into the card, or whatever, when you turn suddenly or a bunch of sparklies explode.

It's also possible the software/hardware/whatever cannot warp all the 3D triangles or whatever when you turn, at 70+ fps, even thought the hardware can render it that quickly. So you'd still get a kind of stutter as you turned even if the fps was through the roof. But I don't know enough about 3D programming anymore to know if this is an issue (wasn't this the T part of the "new" T&L cards 7 years ago or whatever?)

LOW budget 3D movie (1, Funny)

fred fleenblat (463628) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791487)

The world is ready for a movie that's a 24fps sequence of Magic Eye[TM] stereograms.

So going to see this! (1)

Sybert42 (1309493) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791503)

How was Bolt 3D? My wife went on a ridiculous tantrum and we went home instead of seeing it.

Re:So going to see this! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27791541)

syBERT!! Guess who's sleeping on the couch tonight!

Visual medium = psychological effects (4, Interesting)

dazedNconfuzed (154242) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791569)

For all the "bah humbug" blathering on this thread, methinks there's something to it.

Surely most of us geeks have noticed the difference in mental state & perception caused by 24FPS, 30FPS, 60FPS, 3:2 pulldown, and other differences in visual medium. Each causes a different psychological state, with some causing more of a stupor and others more a sense of real. 3D, done right, will lead to other mental effects. I don't think a major director experimenting with new technology would be BSing us about what it does to the viewer's mind.

Personally, I've seen one 3D IMAX film (something about Egypt) which unlike other "hey wow it's 3D!" movies really did give a deep sense of "being there". Move that effect to a full-blown bleeding-edge movie by a director known for pushing visual limits, and we may very well experience something new.

Re:Visual medium = psychological effects (1)

bibi-pov (819943) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791787)

You know I agree with you. I remember seeing a documentary in 3D years ago and unlike other films where you remember seeing something about it, that one gave me memories. The kind you have of places you've been. It was really surprising afterwards even though it wasn't mind blowing during the screening.
So clearly it's PR and everything but I wouldn't say it's bullshit either...

Re:Visual medium = psychological effects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27792117)

The best lies contain a kernel of truth. Sure 3D has different effects, but the article is making a mountain of bull out of almost nothing.

Re:Visual medium = psychological effects (1)

avandesande (143899) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792067)

It's not so ridiculous, directors will use things like lighting and film stocks to set a mood. Why not 3d?

Seems ridiculous, but... (5, Insightful)

wjwlsn (94460) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791617)

Consider Ramachandran's mirror box, a means of using illusion to "cure" the pain of phantom limbs. From the Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org] :

The patient places his or her good limb into one side, and the stump into the other. The patient then looks into the mirror on the side with good limb and makes "mirror symmetric" movements, as a symphony conductor might, or as we do when we clap our hands. Because the subject is seeing the reflected image of the good hand moving, it appears as if the phantom limb is also moving. Through the use of this artificial visual feedback it becomes possible for the patient to "move" the phantom limb, and to unclench it from potentially painful positions. Because this visual feedback elicits kinesthetic sensations... Repeated training in some subjects has led to long-term improvement ... and in one exceptional case, even to the complete elimination of the phantom limb between the hand and the shoulder ...

If such a low-tech visual illusion can rewire neurons, what can a high-fidelity, 3-dimensional illusion accomplish? (I'm not saying that Cameron's movie is going to have such effects, but how far will the technology go?)

Re:Seems ridiculous, but... (1)

rpbird (304450) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792155)

Everything rewires our neurons. Read a book, neurons rewired. Play a video game, neurons rewired. Play catch, neurons rewired. Do anything repetitively, neurons rewired.

The first time I went to an IMAX theater, I was deeply impressed. I raved about it for days. Yet I never went back. To this day, I've only ever seen ONE IMAX movie.

It's another gimmick. I'll be impressed if he's managed to create the holodeck.

Re:Seems ridiculous, but... (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792271)

Woah! Experiences can re-wire neurons! OMGWTFBBQ. Teh unpossiblesxorz! ^^

What do you think how you remembered what you wrote in your comment? ^^
(Hint: Simply said, memorizing works by changing the wiring between neurons.)

It's just that some "scientists" now "discover", that this is not only a thing of "I remember this", but actually is working on a much lower level, and in all neurons all over the body.

You can totally bet, that if you will remember that movie/illusion, something in your brain will have changed. Because it's the same thing.
And it's the whole point of why you go to movies too. ^^

dont feed the hype (0, Flamebait)

xandos (1350159) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791631)

I think cameron just found a way to get more attention for his movie.

Reminds of this STNG episode The Game (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27791633)

Yes, I know it is not an exact analogy, but it struck me the same way as when I watched this episode.

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TNG/episode/68518.html

Idiotic. (2, Interesting)

bickle (101226) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791643)

Idiotic. It's just like in the early days of color film where naysayers were afraid that color would overstimulate people.

Oh please. (4, Insightful)

mewsenews (251487) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791719)

1) The article is Slashdotted.

2) Anyone who viewed "Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D" (With BRAND NEW 3D technology!!) knows that a crap film is a crap film no matter how many god damn dimensions it is viewed in.

Re:Oh please. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27792291)

2) Anyone who viewed "Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D" (With BRAND NEW 3D technology!!) knows that a crap film is a crap film no matter how many god damn dimensions it is viewed in.

Unless you cut out the time dimension, in which case it may make an OK still picture. In fact, didn't many crap movies look great on the posters? (Not Journey to the Center of the Earth, admittedly.)

May be habit forming you say? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27791759)

Why, then I'll make sure to watch it really stoned just to seal the deal.

3D cinema induced violence ? (1)

viralMeme (1461143) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791813)

How soon will they blame Cameron for 3D cinema induced violence. First Person Shooter [google.com]

3D Drug Trip (1)

DarkIye (875062) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791835)

What it's implying is that it's like a hallucination, which is something different. Saying it's 'a drug trip' is about as accurate as saying it's a fever.

Crazy story.... (4, Interesting)

masterzora (871343) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791843)

So, I've got a crazy professor at my university who has been telling this story for years, and I thought it was kind of hilarious in context of this article. Anyway:

Now, the first thing I have to say is you all are not going to believe this story is true. But I swear, this story is 100% true. It is not an exaggeration in any way. It is true.

At the time, I had been a professor at this college for ten years and was on sabbatical. During this time, I decided to take a film class at the American Film Institute. You see, I used to spend a lot of time with filmmakers and artists, and the like, and I hadn't done that for a while, so I decided to take this film class now that I could devote the time to it.

It was a fantastic class. A lot of big name screenwriters came by. The writer of "Basic Instinct", the writer of "Deadpool", to name some. For the class we all wrote a trunk script, which is a script you carry around to show to studios and producers to try and sell. I wrote a script titled "Panama City," which is not relevant to the story. During the course of the class, I got to have coffee with film students and big name screenwriters, and such. Discussion of a screenplay called "Avatar" came up among screenwriters.

One day, the writer of "Deadpool" and another screenwriter friend of his came in and talked to us and I asked the screenwriter friend about this screenplay, "Avatar", and a hush came over the room. He went on to explain the premise of the screenplay which is this:

In this screenplay, there are pantheons of gods fighting a cosmic war, but because they have no understanding of war, there are fallen angels sent to Earth to recruit human military specialists and tacticians, and the like. A lot of this stuff is based on Plato's Temius, and the fallen angels have sunglasses to hide the light in their eyes.

It was never really explained how the recruitment worked. After this guy was done explaining the plot, the writer of "Deadpool" speaks up and says, "there's something else you should say... Avatar is an actual battleplan." This man said that "Avatar" was a master plan for gods disguised as a screenplay.

After that things just got really bizarre! There were all these discussions about "Avatar". "Who has Avatar?" You'd ask people about "Avatar" and they'd ask, "who told you about 'Avatar'?" People got more and more serious about it. You'd ask about "Avatar" they'd yell at you, "what, you want to get killed?!?" One day, I decided I was going to go try and find "Avatar". I walked through the parking lot later and people were hunched over pointing at me...

Well, many years passed by and I never heard a word about "Avatar". Then, about seven or eight years ago, I was having dinner with a good friend of mine, Stephanie Austin. She's a big producer; she produced "Terminator 2," I mean, she's that caliber of producer. Well, "Avatar" comes up in our conversation and it turns out that she knows the story and all about "Avatar." Furthermore, she buys into the "Avatar" theory, sheâ(TM)s in that whole circle. The last thing she says to me about "Avatar" is, "we know who has 'Avatar'â¦Cameron has it."

Now, I know Cameron and he is a really strange guy. I saw a lot of the filming of "T-2", and I talked to Cameron a lot. Let me tell you, Cameron is really loopy, he thinks all of the stuff he makes movies about is true. He once said, "I'm making a film about the truth." According to Austin, Cameron had had "Avatar" for a while, but he, "couldn't find the right actors for it."

Keep in mind, this "Avatar" thing isn't a heaven versus hell kind of thing, there are layers of heavens, like onions. Now, I used to go on avatar hunts with students, and sometimes we wouldn't find them, and sometimes we would. One time, we went to the Martini Bar on Colorado Boulevard in Pasadena and we found two female avatars. I swear, their eyes glowed. They looked like they had dropped out of heaven ten minutes ago. We talked to them for a while without mentioning anything about avatars, but we just started talking about really weird things. One of the two started talking about Andy Warhol and the "God phone" story. There's a story about Andy Warhol giving Edie Sedgwick, as a gift, a "God phone". You could take this phone and it would be a direct hotline to God and you could talk to God. Now, the woman asked me if I knew this story and, as a matter of fact, she did. She hands me a cell phone that seemed to not be connected to any kind of service. She hands me this phone and says, "There are actually many God phones, and this is one of them." Then, one of my students gets excited and asks, "Are you an Avatar?" She gestures to her friend and calmly responds, "Yesâ¦we both are." So, we talked for a while, and they both left.

I said you weren't going to believe it. But that is 100% true.

Now, this is one student's transcription as best as he could. The story changes a lot with each telling, but it's always hilarious. The best part of it, of course, is that the professor either totally believes it or is the best troll ever.

The Last AirBender.... (1)

jameskojiro (705701) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791885)

I can't believe they are making a sucky movie based off such a sucky cartoon series....

What's next, a Sponge Bob Movie?

Re:The Last AirBender.... (2, Informative)

pwolf (1016201) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791993)

This movie has no connection what so ever to that cartoon of the same name.

What's up with James Cameron? (1)

sorak (246725) | more than 5 years ago | (#27791969)

First he finds Jesus' tomb and now he invents a new "video drug"...I think we should start wondering about this guy.

3D is awesome, but it also sucks (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27791981)

3d films are great when they just use the 3d to provide texture.

Unfortunately, 3D filmmakers seem to think that they should ring all the bells and whistles and show off the 3Dness, so you end up with a mostly 2D film the 1D plot of which is designed primarily as an excuse to put in lots and lots of pointy things coming straight out of the screen at you, which is extra stupid, because pointy things coming right out at you is one of the things that current 3D technology is really bad at.

It was so bad, that in the TV-movie, "Beowulf," in the first five minutes you could tell it was supposed to be a 3D film, and in the rest of the film, every time you saw an axe, sword, scyth, or teeth, the first thing that goes through your head is "Sigh. That's going to come zooming out at me. For the love of [something] Please let them avoi..Oh, there it is."

Presuming Cameron does not make this mistake, his film could be quite interesting to look at.

The sad thing is... (1)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792091)

From the summary: "James Cameron's first movie since 'Titanic', his upcoming science fiction epic 'Avatar', has a budget pushing US$200 million and enough hype to power a mission to Mars.

That's true; you really can put stuff on Mars for $200M. Which would be a lot more interesting than yet another failed gimmick flick. If James Cameron were to offer sponsorships for a private Mars mission, it'd probably be more profitable than this movie will be.

But nobody seems to get that.

Avatar will probably be shit (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#27792149)

Come on, is this guy a real doctor? I've heard some shit hype before but I think this tops it for most unbelievable BS hype ever.

I'm going to go pay some back alley doctor to write up a report saying that sucking my wang will make you thinner, look younger and feel better than winning the lottery twice in a row.

Then I'll just back and wait for the woman to pour in.

Avatar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27792217)

This is great! This is what America is all about, smoke and mirrors.
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