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HEN TIFF Exploit Cracks PSP-3000 Open For Homebrew

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the finding-a-way dept.

Portables (Games) 77

indrora writes "The PSP community was rocked this weekend by the Homebrew Enabler (HEN) from developers Davee and Bubbletune. One of their friends on the Team Typhoon development team posted a YouTube video showing proof of the TIFF Exploit running on Firmware 5.03, changing the firmware version and MAC address for a reboot. This comes after a picture of gpSP running on a PSP-3000 via the HEN exploit. From the QJ.net article: 'First [things] first: No, Davee hasn't finished the HEN yet. Which means it isn't out yet. What we do have today is some visual confirmation that the HEN can indeed run emulators, in this case the GBA emulator gpSP.' And from the more recent article showing the exploit demo video: 'Be patient, everyone. Davee's HEN Kernel exploit will eventually arrive, given time. "This is a demo of the 5.03 firmware running the tiff exploit and booting into a HEN environment on a PSP 2003 (3000 Support also) on 5.03 Official Firmware. This proves that the code survives a reboot and the system software and MAC address can be changed. This is something that only can be done with a kernel exploit. A video launching homebrew will be posted later."' Hopefully, we'll soon have PSP-3000s playing homebrew games and running PSP uCLinux."

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Cool (4, Funny)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 4 years ago | (#27808403)

All 27 remaining PSP users must be thrilled with this!

Re:Cool (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27808505)

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Re:Lesbian Strapon Porno HERE! No Torrents, all mp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27811435)

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Re:Lesbian Strapon Porno HERE! No Torrents, all mp (2, Funny)

Sj0 (472011) | more than 4 years ago | (#27814873)

Tribadism, not Tribulation, you moron.

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Re:Cool (1, Insightful)

Nick Ives (317) | more than 4 years ago | (#27808741)

More like 50m.

I was surprised when I saw that number a few months ago too but it's true, PSP has 1/3 the handheld market.

That raises the question, why aren't there any killer games for the PSP? 50m is still bigger than all the next-gen (PSWii60) consoles combined.

Re:Cool (2, Insightful)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 4 years ago | (#27808991)

As I said a while back on here, I looked into getting a PSP and planned to hack it, with piracy being a part of it.

I didn't see anything for the PSP worth pirating. And only one game worth buying. (Football Manager.)

Of course lately the DS isn't much better IMO. I've largely stopped using mine.

Re:Cool (1)

Theoboley (1226542) | more than 4 years ago | (#27831033)

i bought mine, hacked it, and recently found it in my dufflebag from the last trip i took... in NOVEMBER. playing PSP =/= priority apparently.

Re:Cool (3, Informative)

vux984 (928602) | more than 4 years ago | (#27809213)

50m is still bigger than all the next-gen (PSWii60) consoles combined.

Say what now? Wii has 50M pretty much all by itself.

Re:Cool (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 4 years ago | (#27810933)

This announcement is why there aren't more killer apps on the PSP. Where the piracy potential is high, game developers don't want to take the risk to make high budget games.

For the record though, God of War was really good, as was Daxter. Personally I thought Patapon was the ultimate in hand-held fun but Puzzle Quest is pretty great too, especially since its easily suspendable when you need to put it down. Suspending Patapon on the other hand is almost always a bad idea (due to the timed input).

Re:Cool (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 4 years ago | (#27811547)

This announcement is why there aren't more killer apps on the PSP. Where the piracy potential is high, game developers don't want to take the risk to make high budget games.

I suppose that's why there are no high budget games for Xbox 360, Wii, PS2, or PC.

Re:Cool (1)

Nick Ives (317) | more than 4 years ago | (#27813799)

Where the piracy potential is high, game developers don't want to take the risk to make high budget games.

Until this announcement (which hasn't been released yet) you had to use a special battery pack to mod your PSP and there was a chance of bricking it.

Compared to DS, where you can buy R4DS + other brand flash carts from newsagents, at least in the cities here in the UK, and I'd say pirating games on PSP is an order of magnitude harder on PSP than DS. DS still sells boatloads of games though, even though its install base is only double that of PSP.

Re:Cool (1)

Grim Beefer (946632) | more than 4 years ago | (#27820415)

The DS is FAR easier to pirate gam...ahem..."run homebrew" for. All you have to do is plug a card into Slot 1 loaded with software. Really, that's it. There is no battery swapping, tiff expoiting crap to deal with. Also, most DS games are relatively tiny, compared to a UMD. Yet the DS has a million awesome games.

Because the PSP can do near PS2 quality games, there is a large onus to up the production value. Bigger budgets mean higher risk, and this is probably the real reason why the PSP is pretty barren.

Re:Cool (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27808831)

Just wondering, is there even 27 games out for it?

I thought the PSP was nicer hardware overall -- one nice big screen, instead of 2 small shitty screens with a HUGE seam between them like the DS.

Then I looked at the game selection, and I bought the kids a pair of DS. It was also a lot cheaper (not only the console itself, but the memory cards too)

Re:Cool (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27809917)

The DS is good if you don't like original content and want to play only ports of SNES and N64 games.

Re:Cool (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27810261)

Well, the game lineup is still a trillion times better than the PSP. But if you know something better, please share...

Why.... (4, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#27808447)

Why even include TIFF support in the PSP if you were trying to lock people out of homebrew? TIFF, by nature, will contain more exploitable code then other image formats (based on how the image is stored and other technical specs of the TIFF format), and is much lesser used compared to JPEG, PNG, GIF, and the dozens of other image formats we use on a daily basis. But the inclusion of TIFF seems puzzling, unless by default various Sony products save things as TIFF, there doesn't seem to be any need for it.

Re:Why.... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27808501)

Digital cameras produce TIFFs.

Re:Why.... (1)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 4 years ago | (#27808739)

Did, you mean.
Back when people still used flobby disks...

Re:Why.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27808811)

No, I mean almost all digital cameras. Even if they were not saving TIFFs now people are not going to travel back in time and re-shoot their pictures in a different format.

Re:Why.... (2, Informative)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 4 years ago | (#27809209)

Did, you mean. Back when people still used flobby disks...

Actually, some digital SLRs use variants of the TIFF format to store their "raw" files. They may muck about with the headers and you need to know the RGB response curves to make proper use of the data, but underneath, it's still a TIFF. The Pentax PEF format as produced by the istD family of DSLRs can be rendered by TIFF readers which ignore certain "irregularities" in the header, for instance.

Re:Why.... (1)

c_forq (924234) | more than 4 years ago | (#27809469)

Almost every point-and-shoot digital I've ever owned uses TIFF for the "raw" files, it is has the option of uncompressed files. Why I would want an uncompressed image from my 2-megapixel POS camera with a crappy lens, I have no idea. My Nikon SLR uses NEF, which is based on TIFF but breaks from the standard in the header and on image tags.

Re:Why.... (3, Insightful)

fireman sam (662213) | more than 4 years ago | (#27813137)

"Why I would want an uncompressed image from my 2-megapixel POS camera with a crappy lens, I have no idea."

Because it uses the super crappy jpeg compression code which will give even worse results. At least if you can capture in raw you can do post processing with you crappy computer without the jpeg artifacts.

Re:Why.... (1)

c_forq (924234) | more than 4 years ago | (#27841593)

I don't feel the filesize justifies it though. With my SLR I always shoot in RAW, but I view my point and shoot, like most people view their camera phones, it is going to be a low quality image; so why care? And on "super crappy jpeg compression code", I don't think that is really an issue unless I am compressing it multiple times (infamous seagull example) or am using it for something serious (in which case I would/should be using my SLR).

Re:Why.... (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 4 years ago | (#27810947)

Most digital cameras use TIFF as the file format for RAW files at least, but many also do so for their JPEG files (you can store JPEG in TIFF encapsulation).

The ones that don't use TIFF seem to use TarGA.

Re:Why.... (2, Informative)

Archaemic (1546639) | more than 4 years ago | (#27809157)

Yes, I wonder the same thing about TIFF support on the PSP myself. It was touted as a new feature for the 2.0 firmware, but I don't really see the point, given how insecure it is in general and how rarely it is used. Furthermore, if it is used for a camera picture, it's pretty useless anyway, because the PSP will generally not show the picture if it's too large anyway, which is usually smaller than digital camera resolution. The original PSP model does only have 32MB of RAM, 8 of which is not available in usermode. A fair amount of this memory is unavailable to the decoder anyway, leaving only about 4MB of RAM for displaying a picture.

I've had two battles with LibTIFF on the PSP, one resulting in a triumphant victory for me (although never released due to various reasons). The other was me actually trying to exploit a crash that lead to the exploit that MaTiAz found (which is the TIFF exploit (user mode) mentioned in this article). The kernel mode exploit used in conjunction with the user mode exploit was found by Davee, as mentioned. However, what was particularly great was how they patched the TIFF exploit for 5.03 in the following firmware: by disabling the section of LibTIFF that was being exploited. If one tries to view a TIFF that has additional channels (i.e. alpha channel, be it premultiplied or whatever), it says unsupported data. Brilliant work, Sony. The TIFF exploit didn't work in any other software because the other software properly supported the additional channels. It's still sort of a mystery how they failed this one so hard.

Furthermore, there was an exploit in LibTIFF in earlier firmwares (and actually the current stable version of LibTIFF) that was patched by Apple, and then Sony (and most others) adopted the patch. However, the patch itself is broken, as I discovered when looking at it. Therefore, I now have a TIFF that will crash any modern LibTIFF application (unless it has a specific section of LibTIFF disabled, which some do, such as Photoshop CS3), including the PSP on its newest firmware. Works even on the newest firmware. All I can say for the patch is that it did seal the vector for shellcode, even if it didn't seal a vector for a DoS. I filed a patch with the LibTIFF people that sealed the hole entirely, but it's been ignored since January.

Re:Why.... (1)

Lord Byron II (671689) | more than 4 years ago | (#27809217)

TIFF, by nature, will contain more exploitable code then other image formats

Care to elaborate? It seems to me that TIFF, being uncompressed, would require less lines of code to process than a compressed format like JPEG. Less code usually means less security holes. What's the case here?

Re:Why.... (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 4 years ago | (#27809247)

Care to elaborate?

TIFF at this point is basically a container. You can stick anything into a TIFF, including a JPG.

Re:Why.... (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#27809427)

The TIFF file format is unusual in comparison to other image formats, in that it is composed of small descriptor blocks containing offsets into the file which point to the actual pixel image data (composed of bands of pixel rows). This means that incorrect offset values can cause programs to attempt to read erroneous portions of the file or attempt to read past the physical end of file. Like most other image file formats, improperly encoded packet or line lengths within the file can cause poorly written rendering programs to overflow their internal buffers. Properly-written image rendering programs generally avoid such pitfalls.

Which basically means, buffer overflows are trivial to do with TIFF. Then there is the fact that libtiff has several exploits (as mentioned by a previous poster) that still exist in the most stable version of it.

Re:Why.... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27811085)

Can we at least acknowledge that TIFF isn't an image format but a linked library format, and make the buffer overflows a feature and not a bug?

Just admit you're not making new homebrew games (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27808487)

Hopefully, we'll soon have PSP-3000s playing emulators and running the same goddamn games you've all been emulating since the first emulators came out for PCs.

There. Fixed that for you.

Unless someone can show me a decent amount of actual, fairly good, unique homebrew games, that is. You know, not the piece of shit "proof of concept that we can homebrew" game clones we see on every iteration of homebrew hacks, but the groundbreaking games that all the proponents of homebrew keep bragging about and assuring us will result from it?

Re:Just admit you're not making new homebrew games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27808525)

They just use the term "homebrew" to cover their ass; everybody knows what they really mean.

Re:Just admit you're not making new homebrew games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27808627)

They just use the term "homebrew" to cover their ass; everybody knows what they really mean.

Call me stupid, but I don't...

Re:Just admit you're not making new homebrew games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27808799)

It's got something to do with parrots.

Re:Just admit you're not making new homebrew games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27809181)

They're using their PSPs to grow birdseed?

Re:Just admit you're not making new homebrew games (1)

beleriand (22608) | more than 4 years ago | (#27813965)

http://www.zincland.com/powder/

It may not be groundbreaking, but it's a good game.

"Decent amount" it may be true that there are not many yet, but there are allready some good free versions of the quake-type game e.g., so we may see some good free games in the future.

Re:Just admit you're not making new homebrew games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27813973)

There are more homebrew apps and games for handhelds than I can be bothered finding about. There are websites dedicated to listing them though and there are some gems like DSOrganise that are pretty neat.

Re:Just admit you're not making new homebrew games (1)

Grim Beefer (946632) | more than 4 years ago | (#27820803)

While I wholeheartedly agree with your point, not all homebrew sucks, at least not for the DS...

Check out a program called Colors, which is a simple painting/sketching program which uses the touch interface. To my knowledge, the DS doesn't have this feature otherwise.

5.03? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27808545)

Didn't 5.50 come out a few weeks ago? Get crackin' on that one please, thanks.

Re:5.03? (1)

Archaemic (1546639) | more than 4 years ago | (#27809207)

Yes, it came out in a hurry to patch the exploit used in this firmware. These exploits don't pop up all that often, you know. Although they do pop up often enough, as it turns out. So I expect to see another one come firmware 6.95.

i just got off the toilet (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27808593)

i shit out an obama.

plop!

Stupid Sony (2, Interesting)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 4 years ago | (#27808609)

Why do you keep trying to lockout your homebrew users, who are some of your most talented fans? Why not end this stupid war and simply sell an open version that can run what people want to run on it?

Same for Apple. You are trying to control too much. Leads me to cheer for an open Android platform with healthy competition from clone makers. The biggest jump in improvement of the Apple platform I ever saw was during the brief period that Apple allowed clone makers.

Proprietary systems are never to the consumer's advantage.

Re:Stupid Sony (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27808629)

Because 99.99% of this "homebrew" - pirated games. Sony did sell open for development(but not for piracy) PS1 and PS2, guess how many bought?

Re:Stupid Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27809477)

712?

Re:Stupid Sony (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#27814075)

Because 99.99% of this "homebrew" - pirated games.

Is Ubuntu a pirated copy of Solaris? No. Is GIMP a pirated copy of Paint Shop Pro? No. Is OpenOffice.org a pirated copy of Microsoft Office 2003? No. Are Lockjaw [pineight.com], Gnometris, and KSirtet pirated copies of Tetris? No.

Sony did sell open for development(but not for piracy) PS1 and PS2, guess how many bought?

The "Net Yaroze" PS1 and the PS2 with Linux were token efforts, discontinued in less than a year. Other than VAIO and PLAYSTATION 3, Sony hasn't kept a commitment to any computing platform without a lockout chip.

Re:Stupid Sony (1)

Jae686 (1203100) | more than 4 years ago | (#27827337)

and they were hard to get and eXpenSive! And whats the point if its hard to share what you do with it ?

Re:Stupid Sony (1)

Moridineas (213502) | more than 4 years ago | (#27808709)

The biggest jump in improvement of the Apple platform I ever saw was during the brief period that Apple allowed clone makers.

Really? Such as?

I can't say I remember much of the clone period as I wasn't that into macs back then. Still have a SuperMac sitting around in a storage closet somewhere though... What changed?

Re:Stupid Sony (1)

argent (18001) | more than 4 years ago | (#27808939)

The biggest jump in improvement of the Apple platform was when Apple quit trying to write their own operating system and switched to UNIX. That was long after they stopped allowing clones to run that piece of crap Mac OS.

Re:Stupid Sony (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 4 years ago | (#27810439)

Nitpick: They didn't switch to UNIX.

They switched to NExT (xnu,) adopted a bit from FreeBSD, and added the BSD userland and their own proprietary front end. Then got it certified UNIX.

No, the biggest jump in improvement for Apple was bringing Jobs back. The only thing it's bad for these days are the techies who think their minority opinion is what everyone really wants.

Re:Stupid Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27811351)

No, the biggest jump was definitely when Apple was acquired by NeXT. Steve just happened to come with it. The return of Jobs back may have further cleaned up some of the excessive innovation that was plaguing Apple's bottom line (cutting out things like the Newton), but I think the OS transition made a much bigger difference. That said, Apple is a special company because of its employees and its culture, not because of any one person, nor because of the OS. If the NeXT OS and Steve's vision were the be-all and end-all of computing, they wouldn't have been on the verge of bankruptcy.... It was only the merging of those two cultures that produced something exceptional.

Also, from everything I've seen, Amelio had the company headed in the right direction in general, and actually did a relatively good job at turning the company around after Spindler drove it into the ground. This continued until Steve returned and started to undermine him. I'm not sure where Apple would be if Steve hadn't returned, but I really don't buy the theory that Steve is the savior of the Apple universe. The recovery of Apple happened in large part because of the solid foundation set up by Amelio and because of the exceptional combination of talent that resulted from the merger, not because of Steve's return.

Re:Stupid Sony (1)

argent (18001) | more than 4 years ago | (#27816373)

Nitpick back. I'm so tired of people who either (a) don't understand what the revolution in computing that UNIX introduced was and what it meant, or (b) have skin in the game and want to queer the pitch for everyone else by playing games.

NeXTstep was UNIX.
FreeBSD is UNIX.
Linux is UNIX, and was UNIX even before they got certification.
OS X is UNIX.
UNIX is as UNIX does.

UNIX is and has been for over a quarter of a century - since the first independent implementations like Idris and Regulus, a FAMILY of operating systems, with a huge variety of underlying implementations, that share a common core API based around the revolutionary simplifications in API design that were developed at Bell Labs in the early '70s. They didn't just make a "simple Multics", they went far beyond that. There's been nothing like it since, and we're long overdue for another revolution of that level.

Re:Stupid Sony (1)

annerajb (1155635) | more than 4 years ago | (#27809103)

They are just trying to limit the amount of piracy. i am sure that somebody on sony agrees the put homebrew and backup games on the psp thing. but it also opens the door for piracy i wish someday a console will let you do backups so only you can use. instead of having to rely on hacking the console for it. on a unrelated note my starcrafts disk are all dead beyond repair if i had a backup of them i would not have to go download them from piratebay. (keys are lost too fyi so no blizzard downloader)

Re:Stupid Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27809291)

Why bother asking 'Why do you keep trying to lockout your homebrew users...?' when you answer yourself with 'Proprietary systems are never to the consumer's advantage'.

Re:Stupid Sony (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27809511)

"Proprietary systems are never to the consumer's advantage."

Of course not. That's because it's not about you or what's good for you. One day we'll wake up and realize that the market, in it's current form, isn't based on "best product" for the "best price". It's about gaining enough market share to afford legislation to protect your business model from innovation and competition.

Re:Stupid Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27810901)

> Why do you keep trying to lockout your homebrew users, who are some of your most talented fans?

Because those so-called "fans" don't generate revenue.

Re:Stupid Sony (1)

PiSkyHi (1049584) | more than 4 years ago | (#27811225)

The so-called fans bought the damned device!

That should be enough, but Sony's plan was to merely balance the books with the hardware - it was making the software turn you around and getting you to bend over, that was the smiles-round-the-board-room moment.

Re:Stupid Sony (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#27814055)

Because those so-called "fans" don't generate revenue.

Then don't take a gnikcuf loss on your hardware. Try actually selling a low-cost PC that connects to a TV, or a Linux-based PDA with a D-pad, and charge a bit more than it costs to make and ship it. What a concept!

Then what is to the consumer's advantage? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#27814035)

Why not end this stupid war and simply sell an open version that can run what people want to run on it?

Because then you can't squeeze the corporate publishers (you know, the ones with the money) for a gatekeeper's fee.

The biggest jump in improvement of the Apple platform I ever saw was during the brief period that Apple allowed clone makers.

Even bigger than 9 to X?

Proprietary systems are never to the consumer's advantage.

Then which computing platform that comes with a composite or S-Video output as a standard feature (like the PS2, PSP 3000, PS3, Wii, and Xbox 360) is to the consumer's advantage? And what handheld gaming system sold in North America is to the consumer's advantage?

I don't get it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27808899)

So they're going to use an exploit to put homebrew on current PSPs. Cool. But won't Sony just fix the exploit and ship newer PSPs that aren't vulnerable?

Isn't this simply a temporary opportunity that will shortly become obsolete? From a "look what we did" perspective, it's awesome. From a "here's how you can homebrew your own PSP", it seems like a flash in the pan. Get it while it's hot because it'll be gone soon.

This is all assuming you can't just flash the firmware to the vulnerable version yourself. I assume if you could do that, you wouldn't even need to exploit it - you'd just flash your own firmware and run whatever you want.

Re:I don't get it. (1)

KasperMeerts (1305097) | more than 4 years ago | (#27809029)

That's the way it always works, the manufacturers catching up with the crackers. Don't worry, there will always be more exploits to discover.

And sometimes, exploits are practically unfixable. All PSP-1000 and PSP-2000 models are crackable using a modified, so-called Pandora Battery.

Pandora Nukem Forever (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#27814065)

All PSP-1000 and PSP-2000 models are crackable using a modified, so-called Pandora Battery.

But Pandora [openpandora.org] isn't even out yet. If it were, people wouldn't need PSP homebrew. Why did people start calling it a "Pandora battery" instead of a "service battery" or a "-1 battery" anyway?

As many have said after watching the matrix... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27809067)

I don't get it.

Sony makes money with software... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27809289)

>Same for Apple. You are trying to control too much. Leads me to cheer for an open Android platform with healthy competition from clone makers.

Much like Apple they do earn money using software and sell hardware as loss: why the hell do you think they lock their platform this way ??

> The biggest jump in improvement of the Apple platform I ever saw was during the brief period that Apple allowed clone makers.
Yeah, the only problem being that Apple clones were faster and cheaper than Apple's own machines ;)

Re:Sony makes money with software... (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 4 years ago | (#27814067)

Much like Apple they do earn money using software and sell hardware as loss

I have a hard time believing Apple sells hardware at a loss. Do you have anything to back that up? Are you talking about the iphone and its associated phone contracts as I don't think that'd really qualify for what you're saying?

Re:Sony makes money with software... (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 4 years ago | (#27816209)

Much like Apple they do earn money using software and sell hardware as loss

I have a hard time believing Apple sells hardware at a loss. Do you have anything to back that up? Are you talking about the iphone and its associated phone contracts as I don't think that'd really qualify for what you're saying?

I don't think Apple even sells hardware at a loss at all. The iPhone is sold full price to carriers, who are allowed to subsidize it in their sales contracts with Apple. (After all, I'm sure the carriers don't get phones from Nokia for "free" with their free phones).

Apple sells hardware for a profit, and leverages their software to sell hardware. Apple's margins are huge compared to the industry average. They also sell software, which also makes a profit. Apple sells "solutions" - hardware and software combinations, but independently, they also make money off each. Hence stuff like Boot Camp - if they can't sell you a solution, they'd still rather sell you something and make money rather than not sell you anything at all.

There goes the chance to unlock the next psp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27810517)

Stupid kid, instead of keeping quiet and use this exploit to unlock the future PSP that will bring some real new features, he wasted it on this skype psp.

NEVER TRUST A FURRY (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27810975)

FURRYYYYYYY [bandit.name]

Name: indrora "LNX" Kirax
Age: 16
Gender: Male Orientation: Bisexual
Species: Fox [by freak accident -- lab based]
Height: 5 ft 9 inches
wheight: 145lbs
Alignment: Neutral
Occupation: programmer

Abilities: telekinetic. able to focus on things. romantic. able to seduce. hacker-esque nature leads to problems in the long run when it comes to mates.

Notes:
This specimine is one of the odd ones. he's been gifted with telikeneics, and has an unnatural ability to spend time in front of a terminal, watching whatver.
Ideal mating should be a gay or bisexual (no lesbians as they are too dominant for him) and should be of some similar talent -- ausperghers patiets should inquire.
his hacker-esque nature has caused problems with past mates, but only because they were unable to handle somebody who was very much a "time is money" and "more work, less time, less pain" kind of person.
he also has an uncanny ability to seduce. Not uncommon with accidentialmorphs, its just a very VERY problematic thing as he is extremely dominant unless he is with someone he trusts. it takes a lot to let him trust you, and even then, he's paranoid.

-- History of Indrora --

If you're wondering why he's a fox, look no further than his lab partners. He was once a strapping young male human, but thanks to some escepades of his lab partners, he's now scarred accross his body below his bright yellow fur. He's rather broad shouldered now, and has a tendancy to snap at people. (wait, he didnt do that already?)

Novel idea (3, Insightful)

Goffee71 (628501) | more than 4 years ago | (#27813237)

If all these homebrew guys are such loyal PSP fans and great coders, why don't they release their cracks with a block on running PSP ripped games, thereby protecting the success of the console they enjoy playing on?

That'd be a decent thing to see (right up there with alien motherships, flying pigs and world peace)

Re:Novel idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27815309)

If all these homebrew guys are such loyal PSP fans and great coders, why don't they release their cracks with a block on running PSP ripped games, thereby protecting the success of the console they enjoy playing on?

Right. They're supposed to figure out how to block ripped games from running, something that even Sony can't figure out. Sure. No problem.

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