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Google Puts the Brakes On Saving the World

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the taking-a-little-longer dept.

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An anonymous reader sends along a sharp and snarky article that takes Google to task for taking longer than expected to award $10M in its competition to find and fund world-bettering ideas. The submitter comments, "After using its tenth birthday as occasion to solicit philanthropic ideas from Web users through its Project 10^100, Google appears to have backed off from its commitment to provide $10 million in funding to the winner. While the company was supposed to reveal the Project 10^100 winner in February, Google has since delayed the vote once and now suspended it indefinitely, due to the overwhelming response — Google says it received 150,000 entries. A Google spokeswoman wouldn't commit to a new date, saying only it would be delayed 'for a while longer.' She further apologized for the company's 'over optimistic assumptions about how quickly we could analyze all the ideas that we've received.'"

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Hype (5, Insightful)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#27837643)

It doesn't really sound like they're copping out. It just sounds more like 150,000 projects is a whole lot more than they expected to get. They didn't plan on dedicating the resources necessary to get through that many submissions in a reasonable amount of time. Now they're delaying it... or you know, just assume that Google is horribly evil. Whichever.

Re:Hype (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27837861)

And now that Nicole Ferraro has angered the mighty google, we can expect they'll google her to death by releasing a dossier on everything about her. How long before she an hero?

Re:Hype (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#27837903)

I don't know what's taking them so long...my idea to replace inefficient jet-fuel-burning airliners with giant gliders and slingshots was so clearly superior to any other ideas they could have received, I don't understand why I haven't received my check yet.

Re:Hype (5, Funny)

Mendoksou (1480261) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838003)

Hmph! 21026 of my 25826 ideas were easily better than this! Seriously, what's with all you people spamming bad ideas like that at them? All your doing is making them take longer sifting through my ideas to tell me which one of them won.

Re:Hype (3, Funny)

Niris (1443675) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838083)

I'm obviously going to win with my idea to feed the people from overpopulated countries to starving people. Gets rid of world hunger and overpopulation! :D If you want to be even more evil, tweak it so you're feeding obese people from overpopulated countries to starving people to get rid of three major problems with one stone! Hell, less people may mean less global warming, too. And pirates!

Wait, people across the world are people too? LIES!

Re:Hype (1, Insightful)

SCPRedMage (838040) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838217)

If you want to be even more evil, tweak it so you're feeding obese people from overpopulated countries to starving people to get rid of three major problems with one stone!

Except that eating people with obscenely high fat content can NOT be healthy...

Re:Hype (1)

fooslacker (961470) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838799)

If you want to be even more evil, tweak it so you're feeding obese people from overpopulated countries to starving people to get rid of three major problems with one stone!

Except that eating people with obscenely high fat content can NOT be healthy...

Then we won't run into overpopulation anytime soon since life expectancy will plummet. Tell me again what's wrong with his plan.

Re:Hype (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27839151)

IT'S PERFECT!

Google should totally fund this idea.
After all, it isn't "save the fat people", it is "save the world".
They could totally make it into a series, kinda like Heroes, but not like it at all.

It could also create an new film.
Attack of the Crippled Poor, and Zombies
Oh those poor helpless fat people, can barely walk, never mind run.
Just don't make a game about it, it would be like FFVII all over again. I think i wore away the X on my controller from holding the damn thing in to run.

Re:Hype (1)

Nefarious Wheel (628136) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839923)

tweak it so you're feeding obese people from overpopulated countries to starving people

That's not very nice! Obese people are very fattening. You need to feed them vegetarians, if you're going to be humanitarian.

Re:Hype (4, Interesting)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838101)

I'm glad to see you've revised your plan to include gliders.

Have you addressed the acceleration problems mentioned in this post [slashdot.org] by Gnick the last time your idea was discussed?

That'd have to be a mighty long and soft slingshot band.

Re:Hype (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838233)

Working out little details like that will happen after we get the funding.

I'm glad to see you've been following my work. You don't happen to be a venture capitalist, do you?

Re:Hype (4, Funny)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838957)

I'm a venture capitalist from Nigeria. Now if you'll just be kindly sending me your plans for your new transportation system along with a $1,000 processing fee we will begin the process of funding your project. Get back to me quickly! there are many projects we're interested in an only a limited number can be funded.

Re:Hype (1)

Nefarious Wheel (628136) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839975)

That'd have to be a mighty long and soft slingshot band.

And rubber loses its elasticity after only a few cycles. Early Spring ballistas used rawhide for repeatable performance. I'd suggest you use rawhide to propel the gliders and find some way to gear it down. As a side effect, the meat content of your average sausage will improve when the idea is widely adopted.

Good for the goose, etc. etc. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27838995)

She further apologized for the company's 'over optimistic assumptions about how quickly we could analyze all the ideas that we've received.'"

Sheesh, why don't they just put all the submissions in a database and search for "the best idea"? B-)
Viola, instant top ten.

See, page titles do matter!

Re:Good for the goose, etc. etc. (1)

Miseph (979059) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839403)

I love a good concerto as much as anyone... but what the hell has a viola [wikipedia.org] got to do with this?

Or did you mean the female protagonist from Twelfth Night? [wikipedia.org] I'M SO CONFUSED.

They should search for the best one at google.com. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27839195)

Google has all the answers. Try this search:
    which is the best google 10 ^ 100 idea
    (press I'm feeling lucky)

Re:Hype (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839873)

dammit, my nuclear powered hydroponic hemp farm (that cures world hunger on the side), simply cant compete with giant slingshots :(

don't suppose anybody got a few billion dollars to lend me? I think i need about three fiddy!

Re:Hype (5, Funny)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838015)

Now they're delaying it... or you know, just assume that Google is horribly evil. Whichever.

Thanks for offering the choice. I'm gonna assume they're horribly evil.

See, the truth of the matter is that Google is now assembling a database of all the possible ways the world could be saved. Meanwhile, they have a crack team of evil underlords working to make sure that Google has appropriate counter-strategies to the the world-saving methods with the highest PageRanks.

This way, when Googol the Destroyer is summoned from the Plane of Infernal Terrors to wreak the End of Days upon the world, no measly humans will be able to execute a plan to thwart him.

Mwua-ha-ha-ha.

Humanity's only hope will be that the eminent rival sorcerors, Gatus and Joba, will overcome their mutual disdain in order to devise an artifact of true power, the One True Operating System with Built-in Global Web Search, that will condemn Googol to return to the Plane of Infernal Terrors. Unfortunately, the roving druid Stallmanx has thrown a wrench into the works by turning the hearts and minds of lesser sorcerors (and hedge wizards) against Gatus and Joba, and so our heroes must overcome the animosity of their lesser brethren before they can fulfill their quest.

Will Gatus and Joba succeed? Will we ever find out what wonders lie beneath the surface of Stallmanx's Beard of Druidic Prowess? Will Googol succeed in bringing about the End of Days via the Rite of a Million Targeted Ads?

Tune in to next week's broadcast of "Googol the Destroyer"!

Re:Hype (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27838461)

The previous post has been removed due to copyright violation by The Church of Scientology.

Re:Hype (1)

pwnies (1034518) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839289)

Someone please write this. I would buy this book.

Re:Hype (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27838107)

Seriously can't we hurry the whole world saving thing up. I dont wana miss my soaps!

Re:Hype (1)

earlymon (1116185) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839179)

It doesn't really sound like they're copping out. It just sounds more like 150,000 projects is a whole lot more than they expected to get.

I agree, they don't sound like they're copping out.

They do, however, sound completely fucking stoopid.

A legitimate offer for US$10MM put on the internet, by a company with deep pockets, and the requirement for payout to this demographic is: a good idea to make the world better.

How did they not expect well in excess of 150k applications?

Re:Hype (0)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839441)

It doesn't matter. If they need to hire 150,000 people to evaluate 1 entry per day, to get the job done in one day, they should.

Publisher's Clearinghouse would probably get their asses sued off if they tried this. Why should Google be any different?

Get it done but get it right (1)

Mandrel (765308) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839529)

I'd rather Google spend the time to carefully consider all submissions, instead of just selecting some motherhood ideas and round-filing the rest. In fact they've said that each winning idea may draw on many separate entries to crowd-source the optimal way to implement it..

But it's true that if any organization can devote resources to getting these examined in a timely fashion, it's Google.

Re:Hype (5, Funny)

Rary (566291) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839707)

It just sounds more like 150,000 projects is a whole lot more than they expected to get.

Now if only they could find someone who's really adept at searching through large quantities of documents and ranking the relevant results....

Re:Hype (1)

Nefarious Wheel (628136) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839889)

Indexing the world's knowledge is easy, they're doing that. Indexing the worlds ideas may be a little more difficult.

I hope that they get through it all. And that my idea wins, of course.

Pay for submission (3, Interesting)

Twinbee (767046) | more than 5 years ago | (#27837649)

Make each entry cost $5-10 or whatever to enter. That would encourage only the cream to surface, whilst also giving Google incentive to actually finish the project.

Re:Pay for submission (1)

Higaran (835598) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838025)

$5 or $10, wouldn't really have that much impact, I probably have that much change lying around under the seats in my car. You'd need to make it like $500 or $1000 for it to have the effect your talking about.

Re:Pay for submission (5, Insightful)

aschran (895622) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838089)

I think you underestimate the difference between "free" and "not free." Making it cost even $0.01 would probably reduce the submissions significantly.

Re:Pay for submission (1)

T Murphy (1054674) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838623)

To filter out most of the bad ideas, just ask people whether they want to pay $0.07 or 0.07 cents.

Re:Pay for submission (1)

Rary (566291) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839841)

Making it cost even $0.01 would probably reduce the submissions significantly.

I can only speculate, but I strongly suspect that the reason they've had to delay as much as they have is not because of the volume of crappy submissions, but the volume of actually good submissions.

It doesn't take a lot of time or effort to throw out the obviously bad submissions. What does take time and effort is ranking truly good submissions. And it's those submitters who would likely pay a fairly large fee for a crack at $10 million to implement their idea.

Re:Pay for submission (4, Insightful)

cybernanga (921667) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838221)

Your plans would mean that ideas from people in poorer countries, where they don't have $5 to $10 just lying around, are not worth bothering about?

Re:Pay for submission (2, Funny)

hwyhobo (1420503) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838359)

Your plans would mean that ideas from people in poorer countries, where they don't have $5 to $10 just lying around, are not worth bothering about?

Do you want to learn from those who succeeded, or from the failures?

Re:Pay for submission (-1, Offtopic)

hwyhobo (1420503) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838579)

Oh, I can see another politically correct anonymous whore with mod points is running loose on Slashdot.

Re:Pay for submission (1)

auLucifer (1371577) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838927)

Oh yes, because all of the 'successful' countries with all of the 'brightest' minds are just wallowing in spare cash these days right? Never mind recent massive layoffs around the world interfere with your, I guess you think deserving insightful, post. Or maybe, just maybe that the poorer nations might also have some very intelligent people but this is too far out there to even consider right?

*sigh*

Re:Pay for submission (2, Insightful)

sortius_nod (1080919) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838587)

So being forced into poverty by countries/corporations that are exploiting you is failure?

Gotta love these right wing nutjobs.

Re:Pay for submission (0, Troll)

hwyhobo (1420503) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838669)

Of course, they were all successful, enterprising countries, then evil capitalist corporations came, and now they all wallow in poverty. Yeah. Right. Gotta love these left wing politically correct naive idiots.

Re:Pay for submission (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839255)

In some cases, yes. In plenty of others, no. But really, the fact that you automatically classify anyone from a poor country as a failure with no ideas to contribute guts any statement you make against PC idiots. Because of course a bigoted idiot thinks anyone who isn't also a bigot is naive and overly PC.

Re:Pay for submission (1)

hwyhobo (1420503) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839757)

Oh, yes, of course, I do not agree with some PC idiot, then I MUST be a BIGOT. Yeah. Don't forget a RACIST. Hell, I probably personally tear poor little children apart limb by limb after and sell their organs to evil western corporations.

Re:Pay for submission (0)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839299)

Yes, it is failure.

Just as being dragged down by the leeching poor/illegal/foreign/corporate/middle demanding endless welfare/"rights"/aid/power/unions is failure.

Gotta love these any-winged nutjobs.

ALL POLITICIANS (except Ron Paul) are in fact, pure fucking evil. They've got you fucking morons so tied up in a fake wrestling match (with commentary by Wolf "the Beard" Blitzer) that you fail to notice that they are fucking you in the ass and you are paying for the privilege.

Re:Pay for submission (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27838517)

Even if you make that just $1, you might underestimate the number of people who just don't have a good way to pay over the net (especially, again, those in the poorer countries).

Re:Pay for submission (1)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839887)

This plan already assumes that a) someone has internet access and b) has time to think of ideas. That's simply not a very likely combination if they are so badly off that they can't afford to pay a a small sum of money. A more serious problem is that if one is in a poor country then paying over the internet is really hard to do (unless you are a Nigerian prince's heir. But then your money is all tied up until you get a few thousand dollars from someone to help pay the fees to unlock the money).

Re:Pay for submission (1)

omuls are tasty (1321759) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839127)

Except that it would also hamper the ability of people in the 3rd world to submit their proposals.

Personally, I'm not crying foul (3, Insightful)

Cormophyte (1318065) | more than 5 years ago | (#27837665)

It's a lot of money, and a lot of submissions. It takes a long time to judge based on how much "good" the proposal can accomplish.

Easy as pie (1)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 5 years ago | (#27837675)

Just throw them all onto a website, the the google-bot crawl them, then just search for "Best entry". First result wins!

Re:Easy as pie (2, Funny)

davester666 (731373) | more than 5 years ago | (#27837981)

Why even bother with entries? Just google for "best world bettering idea".

Re:Easy as pie (1)

owlnation (858981) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838109)

Just throw them all onto a website, the the google-bot crawl them, then just search for "Best entry". First result wins!

Right, so will that be the wikipedia entry, the wikianswers entry (same as wikipedia entry), or the link-farm entry (same as the wikipedia entry)? Those are the three that are in the top results from every search I perform.

Re:Easy as pie (1)

Chrutil (732561) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838455)

Just throw them all onto a website, the the google-bot crawl them, then just search for "Best entry". First result wins!

Exactly! The first one that presses "I'm feeling lucky" and their own submission come up wins.

Re:Easy as pie (1)

FelixNZ (1426093) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838897)

Thats, exactly what they are doing, they just have to wait for Wolfram Alpha to come out of beta.

150,000 entries...? Damn. (1)

BlueKitties (1541613) | more than 5 years ago | (#27837693)

No wonder they're taking so long, they just got slammed with over a hundred thousand entries! I'll bet most of them aren't even legit.

Re:150,000 entries...? Damn. (4, Funny)

hwyhobo (1420503) | more than 5 years ago | (#27837783)

Most of them are probably asking for Colbert to be elected President.

duh. (1)

thhamm (764787) | more than 5 years ago | (#27837699)

Google appears to have backed off from its commitment to provide $10 million in funding to the winner. chicken.

No need, it's all taken care of (4, Funny)

hwyhobo (1420503) | more than 5 years ago | (#27837731)

The deadline for submissions was October 20, 2008

Well, that's it, then. In November the Savior was elected, so no need for further ideas or awards. It's all in good hands now, thank you. Let's go back to Oprah.

Re:No need, it's all taken care of (2, Funny)

Bloopie (991306) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838023)

In November the Savior was elected

Huh? Didn't you know she and McCain lost? She can try again in 2012, if God tells her to.

Re:No need, it's all taken care of (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27838133)

damn. old trolls are almost worse than young ones!

Re:No need, it's all taken care of (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27838345)

+Q Non-Sequitur?

Re:No need, it's all taken care of (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27838709)

heh, it's funny to be racist

Re:No need, it's all taken care of (1)

hwyhobo (1420503) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838819)

heh, it's funny to be racist

You do realize that by regurgitating that accusation mindlessly every time anyone involved is black you are reducing it to the point where no one will ever take it seriously, right?

Singularity singularity singularity (0)

Sybert42 (1309493) | more than 5 years ago | (#27837751)

Why bother with anything else at this point?

Re:Singularity singularity singularity (1)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 5 years ago | (#27837971)

Because it's another 20+ years away, and because we've got to maintain some kind of appearance of rationality. The idea sounds nutty enough as it is :)

This just in... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27839675)

New reports suggest Ray Kurzweil may be full of shit. More details after the jump.

The Bird (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27837811)

Am I the only one who is amazed at the amount of times someone sticks the boot into Google for doing something constructive?

When was the last time Microsoft (or any other large company) did anything like this? NEVER?? You'd be right.

So some smart ass anonymous coward takes it on themself to bag Google because Google couldn't predict the number of entries they would receive for something that had NEVER been done before.

AC

Interestingly, Bill Gates solicited submissions (5, Informative)

tlambert (566799) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838783)

Not to be an apologist, just stating facts...

Interestingly, Bill Gates solicited submissions similar to the ones the Google contest was intended to solicit, back in the mid 1990s, prior to completing his book "The Road Ahead". This was right around the time he founded "the William H. Gates Foundation", which was later renamed to "the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation".

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation [wikipedia.org]

He did this with an initial $94 million stock gift.

Now, while he's technically not identical to Microsoft... he's probably close enough.

-- Terry

Re:Interestingly, Bill Gates solicited submissions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27839491)

Nah, I think all you can expect to receive from Microsoft now are flying chairs.

Re:The Bird (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839579)

Am I the only one who is amazed at the amount of times someone sticks the boot into Google for doing something constructive?

Had they actually done something constructive - you'd have a point. What they've done is reneged on their promise to do something constructive in February and replaced it with a promise to something constructive someday, maybe. (Or maybe you missed the part where they no longer promise a date to do something constructive.)

Re:The Bird (5, Insightful)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839799)

Am I the only one who is amazed at the amount of times someone sticks the boot into Google for doing something constructive?

When was the last time Microsoft (or any other large company) did anything like this? NEVER?? You'd be right.

Well, yesterday Bill Gates (who I think we can still equate with MS) gave away $8.1 million for medical research based on unconventional submissions (and open to the public). So the answer to your question isn't "never." It's "yesterday, and very very often." That's remarkably similar to what Google is trying to do here for the first time, but the main difference is that Bill Gates has given away something like $30 BILLION by now and he actually succeeded in finding a way to sort through submissions and get the money to the people who had ideas. If he stops now and Google hands out their prize tomorrow, and then they continue at this pace, they'll catch up to him in the year 32009. Yeah, Google is amazing and MS hates everyone.

Low expectations... (5, Interesting)

Itninja (937614) | more than 5 years ago | (#27837869)

This phenomenon recently happened at work. We are a non-profit attached to the State education system. We have less than 125 employees, but most of us get paid okay (for a non-profit) and have great benefits (because of the government association). However, it's not exactly Google or Microsoft; certainly not the sexiest place to work. Usually it takes weeks to get enough resumes when a new job is posted. But the HR folks did not account for rabid nature of current job seekers. They posted a new job opening on Craigslist and within three days had 15000 applicants. They eventually had to pull the opening while they waded through all the resumes...

It was really quite crippling for them.

Rabid? (2, Informative)

Sybert42 (1309493) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838001)

If you needed work, I don't think you would consider yourself "rabid". They are doing what they have to do.

Re:Low expectations... (2, Interesting)

Rorschach1 (174480) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838823)

I posted a Craigslist job listing (in an area with no Craigslist region of its own and relatively little local usage of the adjoining regions) for a 10-15 hour per week packing and shipping job at a buck an hour over minimum wage and had 75 resumes in 3 days, with most of those applicants willing to commute 15 miles or more for 2-3 hours of work a day!

As it turned out, just having 75 applicants doesn't mean it's easy to find someone who will actually show up on time, follow simple directions, and actually remember when I tell them three times in the same week that UPS next-day air packages always go in the express envelopes if they'll fit.

I think next time I try, I'm going to add some simple qualifying test, like "tell me what the USPS first class international rate is for an 8-ounce package going to the Czech Republic." That way I can just throw out all of the cut-and-paste responses that didn't even read the whole listing. I will most certainly include a note that when I say to email or fax and not call or visit, that means that a call or visit will automatically take you OUT of the running for the job.

So yeah, really really bad signal to noise ratio, even without $10M on the line.

Headline (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27837945)

Hmm . . . I looked at the headline and thought, "Oh Noes, G00gle iz teh 33-vil!"

Then I read the summary. Actually, with 150,000 entries, it looks perfectly legitimate that they are delaying or suspending the vote. I thought, "Hmm, which editor would write a misleading, sensationalistic headline like that?"

Well, I guessed correctly: The same genius that comes up with such diamonds as "Bill Would Declare Your Blog a Weapon" [slashdot.org] . Is anyone surprised?

Re:Headline (1)

rhizome (115711) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839805)

which brings up an apparent curious slashdot bug: i removed kdawson from the authors in my profile, yet the stories still show up in RSS.

Google loves spam (-1, Offtopic)

shanen (462549) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838093)

Funny /. should mention Google's increasingly anti-social behavior. My primary interaction these days has been to complain about the spammers they support, such as the example below. For those of you who don't read Japanese, it will probably suffice to note that the content includes the expression for "big boobs". Google's support in this particular case is the fake opt-out at the bottom. If you think the yakuza who sent this spam will honor their opt-out requests, please post your email address here, and I'll get back to you with a wonderful offer.

When I started complaining too publicly about the spam support by Google, they first killed the Gmail address, and then banned me completely from their Groups.

Google fighting evil? Gee, I always thought censorship and spammers were evil, but if Google loves censorship and spam, then I must have been mistaken, right?

(And /. has lameness filters, too, so at least their censorship is mindlessly evil. Is that a better flavor of evil? I wound up having to delete all of the evidence of Google's support of evil. /. at it's typical worst.)

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Re:Google loves spam (1)

LordKazan (558383) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838309)

um... how is mail coming from Yahoo the fault of google?

Re:Google loves spam (0, Offtopic)

shanen (462549) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838899)

Before the mangling by the /. censorship system, that particular email included a Gmail address for the fake opt-out at the bottom. Wonderless /. was also unable to deal with the content, which was a Japanese advertisement for women with big tits. Technically, it's supposed to be illegal in Japan, but the actual accommodation is apparently to look the other way as long as they're above high school.

Google has actually done a pretty good job of reducing the spammers' websites that they were hosting directly on places like blogger. Gmail also kills spamming email addresses pretty quickly Those seem to be the only two fronts they are still fighting on. Fake opt-outs are quite common, as well as administrative contacts for spammers or for spammer front men. There are also lots of fake headers pointing to Gmail. I acknowledge it's hard to blame anyone for the Joe jobs, but Google should at least care about their reputation.

Instead, it is obvious that Google's new motto is "Live and let spam."

Me? I think every form of support for the spammers should be cut off. Google could do MUCH more to fight the spammers.

Re:Google loves spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27838573)

Um, so you've got this proof that google "supports evil" and /. is protecting them. But it's there. And you've given us everything but the proof, or any evidence that the proof exists. Can you please explain to me why I shouldn't break your fingers for wasting my time? I mean, aside from the fact that it'd be a further waste of time to track you down to do so?

Oh look (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27838149)

Needlessly inflammatory submission trying to paint something-done-right in a bad light? Check.

kdawson approved? Check.

Shock...

Why not let the world decide? (1)

Cult of Creativity (1548333) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838159)

Why not make it a democratic process?

Re:Why not let the world decide? (1)

MeatBag PussRocket (1475317) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838513)

because, yeah, democracy works... /sarcasm

Just like google to take credit for someone else (-1, Troll)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838227)

Google Puts the Brakes On Saving the World

Sorry, George W. Bush beat them to it.

Re:Just like google to take credit for someone els (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838331)

I'm trying to figure out the punchline to your joke, and all I can surmise is that you just assumed that criticizing Bush in any way, no matter how vague or nonsensical, was enough for an instant +5.

By the way, how are you liking all the hope and change?

Re:Just like google to take credit for someone els (0, Troll)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838575)

Let me be the first to say "Whoosh! :-)

George W. Bush put the brakes on "saving the world" well before google.

Arent they google? (1, Interesting)

moniker127 (1290002) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838259)

Why don't they use their data sorting skills to organize all the ideas in a wiki or some such and have them meta moderated to find out what the most popular is?

Re:Arent they google? (1)

moniker127 (1290002) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838341)

My bad, someone else already mentioned this sort of thing. Ignore my post.

They should just Google search the submissions (1)

Alaska Jack (679307) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838275)

Like this:

Search: awesome amazing bestest -hamsters -"youth participation" -yahoo

  - Alaska Jack

May be a criminal offense (4, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838319)

To advertise a "skill contest" and not pay off on the scheduled date is usually a violation of the Deceptive Mail Prevention and Enforcement Act. [ftc.gov] Not good, Google.

Re:May be a criminal offense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27838821)

IANAL but there must be a provision in the act for extraordinary circumstances.

Re:May be a criminal offense (-1, Flamebait)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839391)

IANAL but 150,000 submissions is by no means extraordinary.

What's Google gonna say? We can't go through those that fast? We can't index them and group them into categories (alternative energy, healthcare reform, spam submissions from princes in nigeria) for faster review?

99% of all suggestions will be spam/retarded/impossible.
I guarantee you the bulk of it is about health care and trains. Neither can be done without thousands of times more money AND government involvement.

150,000 ain't SHIT.
Fuck, doing it manually, that's 1000 man-hours for interns to narrow it down to the top 100.

"Hire" (they'll work for free) 10 interns and it'll be done before you can get the shitty idea for an online poll and the even shittier idea to involve Colbert.

Re:May be a criminal offense (1)

stimpleton (732392) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839247)

Nah. I went and read TFA at the FTC and my interpretation is that the "skill contest" really applies to schemes where you are provided Puzzles or Tests initially which are easy, then subsequent ones remain at a level of easiness till the last ones are unfeasibily difficult. During this time the coumpany has been making offers or promotions.

"Failing" the last tests nullifies the promise of benefits.

Project 10^100 *beta* (2, Funny)

mcbutterbuns (1005301) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838343)

Hey, come on guys! We can't fault them for this. The project is only in beta!

Man Hours for 150,000 submissions (0)

rm999 (775449) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838353)

Wow, 150,000 submissions for 10 million dollars? The value of the time devoted to applying for that money must have been close to the prize money itself. How inefficient.

Google Geo Challenge also delayed unknown months (1)

HoneyBeeSpace (724189) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838467)

The Google Geo Challenge [google.org] was also supposed to announce grants in January or February. They sent an email in March saying they were delayed due to overwhelming response, and nothing since.

Google grants seem quite popular! But better communication would be appreciated.

Pick me! (5, Funny)

T Murphy (1054674) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838539)

I hope they pick my idea: hold a competition to provide $9 million to someone with the best idea on how to help the world.

Technology to the rescue (1)

Bill Dimm (463823) | more than 5 years ago | (#27838543)

Dear Google,

Maybe you should take a lesson from the corporate litigation world where they have to review millions of documents hunting for evidence -- cluster related documents together to boost efficiency and improve consistency of review. If you don't have your own technology, try Clustify ;-) </slashvertisement>

The Google Way (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27838645)

Why don't they just identify one of the entries as a Beta Winner? Then they can prolong the actual decision indefinitely.

Is this the year of GoogleGroinkick? (2, Interesting)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839067)

Google goes out of their way of doing something nice and "people" kick them in the groin repetedly. The people feels a lot like astroturfers trying to portrait Google in a bad manner. I suspect its very irritating for some unnamed companies with goodwill down in the slimepit that a successful company like Google can be liked by their users.

It would be nice of the editors would stop posting crap articles like this whos only purpouse is badmouthing, straight from the competition. Its a different kind of FUD but still the same of the old and tried.

The more i read things like this the more i feel for Google. They really need to start buying politicians and astroturfers if this keeps up just as their competition already does.

Re:Is this the year of GoogleGroinkick? (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839427)

So how much did they buy YOU for?

Bottom line:
Google made promises.
Google didn't deliver.
The negative press now won't even come close to the positive press they got when they announced the project.

Net gain for Google, and they don't actually ever have to do anything.

Re:Is this the year of GoogleGroinkick? (1)

sabernet (751826) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839531)

Except there's no evidence the situation is in any way other than what they said: an overwhelming number of entries.

Bottom line:
_________________________________________

Google did something nice(for PR reasons or not)

Google made promises

Google got surprised

Google hasn't yet announced anything

People like you and kdawson jump to conclusions because "Hey, look, they ARE evil!" posts, similar to inflammatory Fox News reports, generates publicity for yourself.

Re:Is this the year of GoogleGroinkick? (0, Flamebait)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839827)

I post "Hey, look, they ARE evil!" because I genuinely believe they are (to the same degree all corporations are).

Google didn't get surprised. They knew what they were getting into. They're not idiots.

Either way, it's fucking trivial to sort through 150,000 entries. Hell, it's not like they're dealing with paper submissions that have to be prepped, scanned, OCR'd and QA'd first.

If they want to go through each submission by hand, 10 unpaid interns and 3 weeks will get you to the top 100. 1 week with the big boys will get you to the top 10.

At this point, Google can post the top 10 ideas, with periodic updates as it's narrowed down, discussed with the submitters, and ultimately decided over the next month.

My gift to Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27839093)

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/willie_smits_restores_a_rainforest.html

There, problem solved.

TL;DR Guy regrows rain forest, brings life back to previously dead area, employs local natives and gives them all kinds of sustainable goodness.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Definitely Repeat.

I thought they already implemented the idea... (1)

grumpyman (849537) | more than 5 years ago | (#27839369)

... by using goats to mow the lawn. That'd save the world, wouldn't it?
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