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Why Game Exclusivity Deals Are Feeding the Hate

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the cut-it-out-jerks dept.

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Parz writes "The recent announcement that the upcoming Ghostbusters game will be a timed PlayStation exclusive in the PAL territories — revealed a mere month before release — has set a nasty precedent which could have long-term repercussions for the industry. This Gameplayer article explores how this generation of gaming has spiraled into a tit-for-tat war on third-party exclusivity deals instigated by Sony and Microsoft, and the effect it is having on the psychology of the consumers. The Ghostbusters developers aren't pleased by Sony's deal, and the Guardian questions whether the game will be big enough to really affect console sales."

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Stupid article (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886029)

So when Sony does it, its bad; but when Microsoft does it, its ok?

Seems like the author is just pissed that he has to wait for the game.

Now you know how PS3 owners felt about Bioshock, Fallout 3 DLC, etc.

Re:Stupid article (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886047)

They are using this as an example where this gen is going. The summary clearly states, "a nasty precedent. . .instigated by Sony and Microsoft"

Re:Stupid article (0)

wampus (1932) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886059)

You forgot GTA IV DLC. It seems like a perfectly legitimate tool for driving demand for a console to me and it's why I have an XBox 360. That and the pricetag and Live and the more comfortable controller.

Re:Stupid article (2, Insightful)

Steauengeglase (512315) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886255)

BioShock had Xbox DLC? If I recall it was the PS3 that got the bonus levels, all 350 owners got was horse armor and post-it notes -er bonus plasmids and achievements.

Re:Stupid article (4, Informative)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886317)

It was an Xbox360 exclusive for a year. I think that's what he's referring to. Not the DLC.

Waiting a year but getting a couple of extra levels? I would take the earlier launch date.

Re:Stupid article (2, Interesting)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886645)

I think he meant the game asa whole getting a big delay for the PS3 and the port being crap AFAIK. Dunno why you'd buy that for a console anyway, the PC version is a LOT cheaper...

Re:Stupid article (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886807)

SecuROM

Re:Stupid article (4, Insightful)

LordVader717 (888547) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886623)

This is very different. Bioshock for example was originally developed as a 360 game, which was later ported to the PS3, by a different developer. This is a situation where the games are finished, one month before release, and Sony decides they want to screw european gamers.
And it's the regional nature too. If Sony had managed to secure a worldwide deal, I might have more understanding. But selectively screwing european gamers is just very poor.

I never heard anyone praising cash-buyout exclusivity, apart from Sony fans defending screwy deals like this one.

Re:Stupid article (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886721)

Screwing the entire world wouldn't make it any more right. I suspect Sony would have done it if they could have worked it out. Licensing and retail deals makes these kinds of deals complicated over multiple regions.

Re:Stupid article (1)

zetsurin (993567) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887093)

Actually, Microsoft recently secured a North American exclusive for the recent Outrun game. Only available on the PS3 in PAL territories as a result. ie. EXACTLY the same thing! You think any of their competitors aren't going to get the memo that says Microsoft will keep on doing this, and won't react? Microsoft really started this exact same tactic back with Oddworld on the XBox which was well into development on the PS2 at the time.

Re:Stupid article (2, Interesting)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887139)

Well, then it means that those of us in europe will just have to import american copies of the game in order to play it... I travel on business quite a lot so that really isn't an issue for me.
But in order to play copies we bought legitimately in the US, we have to have a modchip...
But since we have a modchip anyway, it just becomes more convenient to download the us version rather than buy it.

Re:Stupid article (2, Insightful)

koinu (472851) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886983)

No, this is generally NOT OK.

I am really angry at many game companies. They make really cool games, but don't care to make them available everywhere.

Game consoles have regional restrictions. The "EU PAL region", I am living in, gets cool games about 11 months after the US/NTSC region. And now I am still waiting for my game that was release in September last year in US. It won't come anymore, the company (well known) told me. Instead they released a boring childish one here as an alternative that the US region does not know.

Great mess! I am watching videos of this game on youtube (where they are getting blocked, because "licensed content" and stupid shit like youtube is today, but that's another story) and I am seeing people playing it. I am jealous.

I have always bought Nintendo consoles. They have removed regional restrictions temporarily. And now they are back. I say "fuck you" to Nintendo! You won't get any more cent from me. Go to hell! Really.

And all of you, stupid game publishers, THINK ABOUT what you do! You hate gamers and buyers of consoles? Then live with it that you don't get any profit and everyone begins to copy and mod their consoles to get the content running they like.

Money is there. Games are not there! Now what? I have still about 4 japanese games I would like to have. And? I will never get them to run. Fuck you, really!

Re:Stupid article (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887163)

I agree with you totally...
This is 2009, not 1980, worldwide communication is common and affordable, as is worldwide travel. I have tons of people i speak to online who are in foreign countries, and i often use websites (slashdot being one) that have content contributed by people all over the world. If a game comes out somewhere else and it's any good i will come across people i know playing it, i don't want to be told i can't play this game because i'm a foreigner... That's racial discrimination and should be illegal...

While Sony & MS battle... (-1, Offtopic)

djupedal (584558) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886031)

...Apple is busy eating their lunch worldwide. No NTSC/PAL involved....just good old fashioned "give em what they want".

What do 'they' want?

Cheap distractions.

We used to call it "Paradise By The Dashboard Light".

Re:While Sony & MS battle... (0, Offtopic)

wampus (1932) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886051)

Which console does Apple sell again?

Re:While Sony & MS battle... (2, Insightful)

ShadesFox (1534855) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886111)

Which console does Apple sell again?

iPhone. More a hand held really...

Re:While Sony & MS battle... (2, Interesting)

creimer (824291) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886113)

Called the iPhone/Touch console. Check out Touch Arcade [toucharcade.com] for more info.

Re:While Sony & MS battle... (2, Interesting)

wampus (1932) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886193)

You are seriously comparing a AAA console title to tower defense and labyrinth?

Re:While Sony & MS battle... (3, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886227)

I played Ghostbuster on the Commodore 64 [youtube.com] when it first came out. No way in heck will that ever be AAA title. :P

Re:While Sony & MS battle... (4, Funny)

julesh (229690) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886575)

I played Ghostbuster on the Commodore 64 when it first came out. No way in heck will that ever be AAA title. :P

Also suspect there's no way in hell this new version will be as good.

Re:While Sony & MS battle... (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886815)

I played Ghostbuster on the Commodore 64 when it first came out. No way in heck will that ever be AAA title. :P

Man, that's really crap-looking. On the other hand, Ghostbusters for the Sega Genesis [youtube.com] was pretty good.

Re:While Sony & MS battle... (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887175)

The amiga version was pretty good too, couldnt find a video of the first one but ghostbusters 2 had much better music...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv9mLcI8dlc [youtube.com]

Re:While Sony & MS battle... (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886395)

Yeah, a phone where a tiny percentage of the userbase plays cheap flash games. If you want to make a decent point, use Nintendo who really is eating Sony and MS for lunch. Over 100M DSes and 50M Wiis sold. THat's more than 2x the PSP and almost as many as the 360 and PS3 combined for the Wii.

Re:While Sony & MS battle... (2, Funny)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887179)

Of those sales of the 360, how many were due to people buying a replacement unit for one that failed?
I know quite a few people who have done that...

The whole deal is fanboy fodder (5, Insightful)

nschubach (922175) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886041)

You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

I can't count the number of people complaining about lost exclusives and lack of obtaining them... now that they are stepping up, the stories come out on how it's bad...

So you have a choice. Piss of fanboys by not getting exclusives or piss off fanboys for getting them and obtaining sales.

I'm not a fan of exclusiveness in itself. It limits consumer choice. Choice in the best hardware to run their favorite games in this case. I personally think there's only one company right now that can win that war, and it's not Sony.

Expectations (5, Insightful)

Translation Error (1176675) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886303)

While most people generally find exclusives a bit annoying but acceptable, this particular case is different. This isn't Nintendo announcing the next Mario game--only on the Wii. This is a game that was already announced as being multiplatform and even had a release date, but suddenly it's become a timed exclusive for one system. The versions for the other systems will all be ready, but Sony's holding them back. Worse yet, this news is coming with almost no advance warning.

A big, shiny prize was dangled in front of people and it's been snatched away at the last second. Of course people are going to be angry.

Re:Expectations (0)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886981)

Just because the exclusive is for the Sony this time isn't an excuse to whine. This has happened lots of times before.

Re:Expectations (1)

zetsurin (993567) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887073)

Whoever modded the parent insightful obviously didn't see the moves Microsoft made with Oddworld the moment it entered the console market - a game that was already running on the PS2 at the time. As such, Microsoft pioneered the 'exclusive switch on already partially developed game' concept and it's continued to this day. Trying to find reasons why Microsoft's exclusives are less bad is ridiculous - in either case choice has been removed from the consumer as there's an artificial limitation on who can access the content. It's just a rehash of Microsoft OEM exclusivity lock-ins. Something to be encouraged? No! But definitely something to have been wary of LONG ago and not just now all of a sudden.

Death Rattle Of The Xbots In The Gaming Media (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886381)

Poor losers, they wish it was back in early 2007 when they had managed to worm their pathetic little asses into most of the gaming media sites. Even Slashdot had that faggot Zonk spewing the anti-Sony/PS3/BluRay articles two to three times a day.

95 percent of those piece of shit Xbots have been fired or kicked off of sites like Slashdot, EGM, 1Up, GameSpot etc.

How badly this desperation FUD attempt fell on its face makes it clear that gamers are sick of the shit and won't tolerate it any more.

Buh bye losers.

Re:Death Rattle Of The Xbots In The Gaming Media (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886847)

Go suck sony executive cock for a paycheque next time?

Re:The whole deal is fanboy fodder (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886477)

yes.. in terms of 'best hardware', it would be PC.

Re:The whole deal is fanboy fodder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886593)

I'd be more interested on the effect this has on reasonable players, i.e. non-fanboys.

If a game is released exclusively on one platform, will I run to the next store and get it? Definitely not. All it does, is encourage me to wait a few months until the game is available on my platform of choice. Added benefits are cheap deals and 2nd hand availability. Both of which isn't in the interest of the publisher.

So from my point of view they are fueling their own demise :)

Re:The whole deal is fanboy fodder (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887113)

I personally think there's only one company right now that can win that war, and it's not Sony.

One company has already won it and it's Nintendo.

Re:The whole deal is fanboy fodder (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887233)

I can't count the number of people complaining about lost exclusives and lack of obtaining them

Can't count them but I'd estimate their number to be less than 5% of people who are annoyed by exclusives. You have to be REALLY into the pointless console wars to crow that people like you who bought console A get to play a game before people who bought console B. Most gamers actually aren't.

The problem is that those people who are dumb enough to like it when they can play it and the other console cant, are also people who don't know when to shut up, or actually don't care but are trolling. People who don't like exclusives on the other hand generally realize most people feel the same.

Microsoft Invented It (4, Insightful)

ewhac (5844) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886069)

Didn't Microsoft pull a morally-equivalent stunt when they bought Bungie/Halo all those years ago?

Schwab

Re:Microsoft Invented It (1)

Korin43 (881732) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886329)

But it was already an xbox exclusive wasn't it? Not like they changed much. I guess they made sure Bungie didn't release it for Mac, but Macs don't exactly seem to have a big gaming market anyway..

Re:Microsoft Invented It (5, Interesting)

Tom9729 (1134127) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886339)

Halo was going to be a Mac game until Microsoft bought Bungie. Then it was an Xbox exclusive for awhile and was later released on both PC and Mac.

Re:Microsoft Invented It (3, Insightful)

fyrewulff (702920) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886667)

Halo also wasn't anywhere near being done the last time they showed it as a PC game in 2000, that demo was entirely scripted. Once the studio was bought by MS, the game actually got a deadline.

Re:Microsoft Invented It (1, Insightful)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887119)

Yeah it was likely rushed which is why Halo feels so repetitive.

Re:Microsoft Invented It (2, Insightful)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886651)

Didn't Nintendo invent it with the NES publishing contract requiring that the game is NES-exclusive? Ironically they seem to do the least to bribe third parties into Wii exclusivity now though the different hardware still leads to plenty of exclusives.

Re:Microsoft Invented It (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887133)

Considering the NES had no competition, probably not. I don't recall exclusives being an issue until the 16-bit area.

Nintendo only forced companies to buy carts only from them and in certain quantities and they limited how many games a company could publish in hopes to keep the quality high. Which is what lead to Konami creating the Ultra brand.

PlayStation...?! (-1, Troll)

creimer (824291) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886103)

I knew that the PS2 hardware was selling better than the PS3 hardware, but I had no clue that someone is still developing new games for the PlayStation. If only I can find a new PS1 memory card... :P

Re:PlayStation...?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886137)

Damn, if you aren't the most asinine, semantic-est motherfucker in the world.

Re:PlayStation...?! (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886209)

Not sure if I should take that as a compliment or a complaint. I am a writer [cdreimer.com] after all. ;)

Re:PlayStation...?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886175)

That game is for the PS!???
Sweet, so it's a PS1 / PS2 / PS3 / PC / Pandora exclusive!

Incredible, you don't say... (5, Informative)

greentshirt (1308037) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886121)

How is this news? Consoles were built on exclusive content, all gamers know that. You can't play Sonic on SNES, you can't play Mario on Sega Genesis, etc.

Re:Incredible, you don't say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886229)

sonic is sega property
mario is nintendo porperty

ghostbusters is neithers property
the exec who made that deal is an idiot

Re:Incredible, you don't say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886265)

It's sony's property now, at least for a while.

Re:Incredible, you don't say... (4, Informative)

jonwil (467024) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886351)

The films and the overall "Ghostbusters" IP are in fact owned by Sony and Columbia Tristar. (a division of Sony)

Re:Incredible, you don't say... (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887141)

No he's smart because ghost busters was likely shit and he made a guaranteed bit of income out of Europe from Sony before the game has even been sold and in a year or so it can be published on the xbox to make more money.

Re:Incredible, you don't say... (1)

AnalPerfume (1356177) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886289)

Exactly, every hardware vendor knows that exclusive titles can mean the customer buys more than one console if a game they REALLY want is only available one the one they don't currently have. Exclusive deals tend to be good news for vendors, not customers or game developers. If I spent a fortune developing a game and had to rely on a lot of sales to break even, let alone make a profit I sure as hell wouldn't be cutting off half of my potential customer base by signing an exclusive deal....unless at least half of my projected sales numbers were paid in advance, at which case I'm back to even. It's not as if the current generation games can be knocked up by a couple of blokes in a weekend, it's a huge investment and a lot of man-hours to get to release.

Re:Incredible, you don't say... (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886459)

Problem is this exclusive thing only works if it is on a worldwide scale. If sony tries to pull that off for Europe only, almost all the people interested into the game simply will get an iso of the PC version of the game from a torrent tracker!
Sony after 15 years in the console business still has not understood a single thing how region zoning does not work and how does it work!
The only ones getting really screwed by the deal are the developers! I hope sony paid Atari enough to recoup the losses by the increased pirated copy rate all over Europe!

Re:Incredible, you don't say... (1)

isaac338 (705434) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886501)

How come every sentence you write is punctuated with an exclamation point! Every sentence surely cannot be as important as the last!

Re:Incredible, you don't say... (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886713)

English is not my native language.

Re:Incredible, you don't say... (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887153)

The 360 is weak in Europe so this was probably the most cost effective way to attack MS and make some difference.

Keep in mind MS's lead over Sony isn't *that* big considering the year lead over them. If Sony can start taking even more sales in territories where MS isn't that strong then they're left only have to go after America which will be easier after having the others.

Re:Incredible, you don't say... (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886523)

Exactly, every hardware vendor knows that exclusive titles can mean the customer buys more than one console if a game they REALLY want is only available one the one they don't currently have

OTOH, timed exclusivity like this one (the other platforms will get the game within 6 months, apparently) are less likely to have this effect. I don't know about you, but there are few games I want enough that I'd shell out for a new console just to be able to get 'em 6 months earlier.

Cheaper would be to buy a mod chip and import the US version. (I'm not a big console user these days, but I assume this is still possible).

Re:Incredible, you don't say... (1)

donaldm (919619) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886687)

Cheaper would be to buy a mod chip and import the US version. (I'm not a big console user these days, but I assume this is still possible).

Why would you do this for the PS3 unless you want to pirate the game. All PS3 games are effectively region free and the only issue you would find is if you only had a standard Def TV but since the PS3 and the Xbox360 support High Def TV's there is no issue with importing PS3 games from anywhere in the world. Using a PS3 or Xbox360 on an SDTV IMHO is just a waste and in some cases the result is not that good.

Personally I don't mind waiting for a game since PS3 and Xbox games normally drop in price by 50% or more within 6 months although the same cannot be said for Nintendo AAA games (I am still waiting for the "Twilight Princess" to drop at least 50% for the Gamecube). If a game is mediocre or poor then no matter which console the games is for they tend to drop in price fairly quickly and the Wii is getting plenty of those.

Still the game that is being discussed is Ghostbusters which may do well although personally I don't think it will no matter what platform. From my own personal experience games based on movies or TV shows don't do all that well but in this case you never know.

Re:Incredible, you don't say... (1)

AnalPerfume (1356177) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887215)

I do have a PS2 and a GameCube (which I bought mucho cheap second hand for Rogue Squadron & Rogue Leader alone). I'm not much of a gamer these days, I used to spend a HUGE chunk of my day gaming but I've grown out of that phase now. Now I like an occasional quick 10 min blast of something to pass the time before the footie starts etc, win, lose or draw it don't matter.

Anyhoo, the last time the exclusivity deal hit me was Munch's Odysee, the "next gen" 3D version of Abe's Odysee which I loved. It was supposed to be exclusive to the PS2, which suited me as I was always a Sony person anyway....only to find it reversed and became an exclusive XBOX title instead. BASTARDS!!!! I was NOT amused. To this day I've never owned an XBOX, nor have I played that particular game, although I would have queued for it had it been available on the PS2. Knowing that Microsoft lose money on every XBOX sale has tempted me on a few occasions to consider buying one but the gesture would hurt me more than Microsoft so the urge usually passes.

The 6 month delay is a compromise I suppose but it's still no fun if you have one of the consoles and not the other. It's the big guys shuffling bits around while the little guys are left bewildered and abused. Entertainment companies in general have little understanding of their customers as it is, so this type of business decision being seen as a "good idea" does not surprise me.

I wonder what percentage of gamers rush out and buy a new game full price the week it hits the shelves. I reckon most gamers, specially the more experienced ones have enough self control to wait a few months till it plummets in price. The last game I bough on release day was MGS2, a LONG time ago.

End result: waste (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886387)

Yep, end result: several boxes containing similar hardware, representing lots of redundant effort that could have been spent much more productively. I usually pretty much support the free market, but this is a clear case where it doesn't work, and it should be fixed somehow.
Although it's difficult. For starters, the vendors have the bigger lobby at the moment and they wouldn't let any law get started. Any law regulating this would also have to deal with all kinds of technical crap. Vendor of platform A complains that game X isn't available for A even though it is for platform B. Vendor of B says: your platform isn't powerful enough / too different / brings an extra feature the game needs. Vendor A says: yes it is similar in power / a recompile with our headers and some minor tweaks suffices / just turn off the run-time dynamic anisotripic wizzymaps and it runs fine / the motiongloves were used in the game specifically to make it only run on B - it doesn't affect the gameplay at all. How are you going to draft a law dealing with this? Would you like to be the judge getting that kind of dogfood on his plate?

You f4il 1t (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886155)

Re:You f4il 1t (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886955)

No, your sir, arew the one who fails. You disguise a link in a bunch of non humorous gibberish. In the hopes of tricking pewp0le into seeing a gaping anus. Yet /. puts the website address at the end of the link. Seriously you did not even use a service like tinyurl to diguise it. You get immediatly modded troll and the only people to see it are those browsing at -1.

Please go and submit your brain for scientific testing. Remove the top of your skull walk into the local ER and then tear the squishy mess from your head and hurl it at a nurse. Remeber to have a friend post picks so we can all enjoy it.

~The Mast3r~

It really does all make sense. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886163)

Quick, say the first word that comes to mind when you read the following phrase: "System Seller"

You said Ghostbusters, didn't you?

Re:It really does all make sense. (1)

wampus (1932) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886201)

They got almost all of the original cast of the movies... I plan on getting it and am damned glad I have an NTSC XBox.

Re:It really does all make sense. (1)

donaldm (919619) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886825)

I plan on getting it and am damned glad I have an NTSC XBox.

That's nice but what has that got to do with the article since there wasn't any mention of the US getting the Ghostbusters game exclusively. Having an Xbox (this is dead anyway) or Xbox360 NTSC or PAL will still require you waiting six months or more. I have said this many time before that having a HDTV sort of negates the NTSC or PAL formats unless you only have a SDTV and then why would you have a PS3 or an Xbox360? Of course the PS2 and the Wii (again at least another six months wait) is still either NTSC or PAL.

Exlusive vs ubiquitous (1)

IntentionalStance (1197099) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886181)

Going with the exclusive option as a developer means that you've got a well defined platform to target - major advantage. Trying to target multiple platforms is much harder but a mature game developer should have this covered. This story is pure corporate politics as it would appear the game's developers "Terminal Reality" are ready for multiple games consoles.

Yep - corporates playing pissing matches at the expense of the developers and the players.

It's GHOSTBUSTERS... (1)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886287)

... this is not a big deal. It's a move game, why would anyone really care if it's multi platform or not? Unless it is the best game in the universe (doubtful).

Seriously from a developer standpoint unless Sony ponied up enough money for the dev team to never have to work again after completing the game, WHY would you ever go exclusive?

Re:It's GHOSTBUSTERS... (1)

LordVader717 (888547) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886671)

The developer might never see a penny from this deal, as the fact that they have spoken out against it suggests.

And the reason why most Movie tie-ins suck is because they are developed hastily to time with movie releases and commissioned by the rights-holders. This game is from a 25 year old movie and started by game developers.

Re:It's GHOSTBUSTERS... (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886693)

The developer might never see a penny from this deal, as the fact that they have spoken out against it suggests.

And the reason why most Movie tie-ins suck is because they are developed hastily to time with movie releases and commissioned by the rights-holders. This game is from a 25 year old movie and started by game developers.

Im pretty sure the developers are heavily shafted due to this deal, because the number of pirated PC version copies will skyrocket in the PAL territory. So additionally to seeing the XBOX and PC sales within the PAL territory (which is combined the biggest one) later, the PC sales definitely and to some degree the XBOX sales will be way less than they could be because of this stunt and the obvious piracy enforcement this will bring on.
Now my personal guess is that the devs get a share of each copy so they basically got stomped a boot into their face by Atari. No wonder they are against it!
The only one really winning in this deal is Atari, neither Sony who probably wont see a single sale of one PS3 more than without it nor the developers who might get into serious trouble financially!

I really don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886391)

Sony is fronting the money to publish the game, even on COMPETING consoles. Yet people are giving them crap for it? What the hell? Comparing them to Microsoft nonetheless? When has Microsoft ever published a PS3 (or PS2) game?

This will probably never change (3, Interesting)

bhunachchicken (834243) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886405)

It could well be argued that the PS1 was the run-away success that it was because of exclusive Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid franchises. For the PS2, it was much the same, except that it had then gained Grand Theft Auto (yes, I know it came to the PC and 360 later, but by then it really was a one horse race).

There were times when I looked at the games on the 360 and Wii, that weren't coming to the PS3, and wondered if I would be better off buying one of them instead of waiting for the PS3 to come down in price. It wasn't long though before Oblivion, Lost Planet, and Bioshock did actually come to the PS3, with the addition of features that trumped the original release.

Rather ironically, I felt that only one of them was actually worth the wait, in the end...

Re:This will probably never change (4, Insightful)

walshy007 (906710) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886485)

It could well be argued that the PS1 was the run-away success that it was because of exclusive Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid franchises. For the PS2, it was much the same, except that it had then gained Grand Theft Auto (yes, I know it came to the PC and 360 later, but by then it really was a one horse race).

PS1 succeeded because of rampant piracy, then network effects. every man and his dog mod chipped his ps1, and bought a few legit games and downloaded a lot. Also legitimate game prices, ps1 games were a lot cheaper being on cds than their cartridge equivalent.

Re:This will probably never change (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886703)

I second that, it is one of the known facts never admitted by Sony that the main reason the PS1 won was the easy pirating of CD games. It was just the correct middle ground between piracy and making it hard enough for enough users so that the games still sold well besides that the console was way cheaper than the Dreamcast which also was easy to get copied games for, but if you have two system with easily pirated games, people get the one being cheaper. The biggest looser was Nintendo who basically sunk their console due to their games not properly being piratable.

Re:This will probably never change (1)

donaldm (919619) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886963)

PS1 succeeded because of rampant piracy, then network effects. every man and his dog mod chipped his ps1, and bought a few legit games and downloaded a lot. Also legitimate game prices, ps1 games were a lot cheaper being on cds than their cartridge equivalent.

Err no! Rampant piracy would kill the PS1 since software houses would not make games for this console because they would not make any money. People chipped their PS1's so they could play imported or region locked games. Sure there was piracy but this was fairly small since CD burners and even the media in the the mid to late 1990's were not that cheap.

You are correct in that CD's were much cheaper than cartridges at the time but the CD could hold over 600MB compared to the Nintendo Cartridge of approx 30MB and many gaming houses made full use of that. In addition Sony in those days bent over backwards with supporting gaming houses unlike Nintendo who was quite arrogant and tried to dictate prices. Sounds familiar, when we fast forward to 2007 and the attitudes of Sony and Nintendo reversed.

If we look at the PS2 which everyone will have to admit was an incredible success. Sony made the decision to make the reader DVD (single and double) as well as having the ability to read CD's and PS1 games. If you looked at the price of a DVD burner and media it was an expensive exercise to pirate early PS2 games although it certainly could be done since the copy protection was cracked fairly early in the consoles life.

Even today with the PS3, pirating a PS3 game is not that easy and even if you could the price of the media is not cheap although it is certainly more robust then a DVD. Surprisingly you can actually buy BD burners for a lot less than US$200 and for those people who have a PC with a decent graphics card and 24" 1080p monitor (under US$250) you have a very nice entertainment centre although IMHO I would only rent BD movies rather then buy them (my sentiments with DVD as well) since I can rent BD at the same price of DVD's and I know BD's are going to be in much better condition than the equivalent DVD due to their protective surface.

Re:This will probably never change (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886531)

For the PS2, it was much the same, except that it had then gained Grand Theft Auto (yes, I know it came to the PC and 360 later, but by then it really was a one horse race).

You seem to misremembering. GTA [wikipedia.org] was released on PC first, and PS_1_ several months later. There was no xbox release.

Re:This will probably never change (1)

LordVader717 (888547) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886681)

He's talking about the PS2 games, not the first GTA.

This is the stupidest move I have seen (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886445)

In a long time, if it will be PS3 eclusive in Europe only, I imagine everyone in Europe will just download the PC version from the nearest Torrent tracker and additional person will by a PS3 for that. Besides that I hardly imagine Ghostbusters being an AAA title to justify the buying of a console!
My condolescenses to the hard working developers who again got screwed up by another publisher after Activision had pulled a stunt on them earlier!

Re:This is the stupidest move I have seen (1)

donaldm (919619) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887043)

From the article:

"Atari is committed to maximising the launch of the Ghostbusters videogame across Europe," offered Jim Wilson, VP of Worldwide Marketing for Atari.

I don't know if you can read that the release of Ghostbusters is European only and even if it was you can import the PS3 version to any country in the world since it will be region free. The only problem you would find is the language or localisation, so you would have to be particular from which country you import the game from. The PS2 release will be locked to regions (it always was) so you have to be careful here.

I imagine everyone in Europe will just download the PC version from the nearest Torrent tracker.

If they were going to pirate the game they would do it anyway no matter if the game was released across all platforms.

Besides that I hardly imagine Ghostbusters being an AAA title

I definitely agree with you on this, since I have found that most games based on a movie or TV series don't do all that well. Still you never know.

slashdot, don't publish this fanboy nonsense (1, Informative)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886447)

After his asinine last article he comes back and writes a worse one explaining that Sony users are just mad because Sony isn't doing well for them this generation.

Whoa, weren't these two whining articles written by an angry 360 fanboy, not a PS3 fanboy?

This business has been going on since MS started moneyhatting developers to get a quick leg up on Sony's (at the time) deep roster of 1st party games (remember MS buying Bungie after Halo was first shown on a Mac?). It's not time to suddenly say it's turned to madness just because Sony's moves angers a few MS fanboys.

Purchased exclusives worked great for MS this generation. Do you really expect Sony to stand by and take it? If MS fans are angry about purchased timed exclusives, they have only themselves to blame. They bought Rock Band 2 when it came out for 360 two months before PS3 de to a purchased timed exclusive. They bought BioShock in droves. They bought GTA4 for the 360 because the DLC was exclusive.

MS fans, you've reaped what you've sown, stop whining that you've been victimized.

And again slashdot, you shouldn't give this chump a forum to do his own hating.

Re:slashdot, don't publish this fanboy nonsense (1)

triffid_98 (899609) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886571)

This business has been going on since MS started moneyhatting developers to get a quick leg up on Sony's (at the time) deep roster of 1st party games (remember MS buying Bungie after Halo was first shown on a Mac?). It's not time to suddenly say it's turned to madness just because Sony's moves angers a few MS fanboys.

It's apparently only turned to madness when Sony does it. Never mind the fact that they've done it plenty of times before (Final Fantasy, GTA, Metal Gear, Ridge Racer, etc.)

All the current players are guilty of it, heck, I recall it going back to the NES, when Nintendo threatened to withhold the chips used to manufacture cartridges from developers who went multi-console.

What's a little favoritism between PALs? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886505)

Good thing TFS included words 'Micro$oft','Sony' and 'Playstation' which all cause me to ignore the rest of it.

Making an appliance of a computer should be a shooting offence anyways. Consoles are for 'tards.

Have a nice day!

retarded (1)

stonewallred (1465497) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886511)

I wonder when the console fanbois are going to wake up and smell the coffee. The point are the games, not the friggin box they play on. There is an opportunity for a generic, built with off the shelf components, console waiting to be developed. A mid-range video card, 500GB HD, Mid range chip, 2 to 4 GB of Ram, DVD drive and output for RCA/HMDI and standard VGA, universal(ie USB) control ports and a little bit of coding for GUI. And away we go, a generic console, which the game companies can code for easily, anyone could buy for around $200.00 USD, and even the most technologically challenged person could plug in and play. With something like this, we could see sane prices for games again, and have more content available by indie firms.

Re:retarded (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886675)

Actually this console exits it name is PC. The hardware update cycle has slowed down to that degree that if you count in the price difference console-pc the pc is up to par to a console or even cheaper if you do not run after the latest graphics card or highest power processor (which you wont need after about a year the last console generation has been released)
Nowadays you can go for a mid to low range processor and a 100$ graphics card and you will get a system which stomps both the PS3 and the XBOX and to the best the next upate probably will be just another 100$ graphics card in about 2 years when the next generation consoles will hit the street!
Between that are 30-40$ games while console owners pay up to 70-80$
(It is even worse in Europe where companies constantly sell 1$ for 1â)

Re:retarded (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886753)

PCs are a horrible mess to develop games for. One giant advantage of consoles is the given hard- and software. Test on one or two console revisions and you are done.

PCs are too heterogenous. A really large amount of time has to be spent on compatability issues (ATI, Nvidia, Intel, AMD, some driver extensions are support on one system but not another, Mac, Windows XP/Vista/7 SP1/2/3, Linux, etc.).

The PC update cycle has slowed down because the driving factor (games) now focuses on year old console hardware.

Re:retarded (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886689)

That's never going to happen. Only a third party could create such an open console and the would be buried by MS, Sony and Nintendo. They have enough patents and marketing capital to keep any small competitor off the market.

Ghost busters (1)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886589)

I've been a huge fan pretty much since birth and all this makes me think is that I won't be buying the game. I picked the 360 because it had more games and content I wanted to play, I was quite looking forward to the game but a year+ delay just means by the time it has a 360 release I will be buying something else and the game will be long forgotten. It's a shame that Sony are trying to sell their console instead of selling a game, their first priority should be to making profit and making successful games, not to screw a game's sales over by desperately clawing at a failing console.

The PS3 is in a bad position and is clearly in last place this generation, but they do themselves no favours by stealing a game from the 360, because they will lose far more in game sales (and reviving a franchise) than they will gain from getting a handful of new consoles sold. I don't really care for the fanboy crap and was tempted to buy a PSP for some games recently, but when I see Sony's commitment is to selling hardware and not selling great games, I question if I should be giving them money.

Same with Hulu (4, Insightful)

Lord Lode (1290856) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886597)

Who outside U.S. cannot Hate Hulu for saying "this movie can't be played in your region".

Re:Same with Hulu (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886663)

Who outside U.S. cannot Hate Hulu for saying "this movie can't be played in your region".

Easy to bypass as long as you know what you are doing, same goes for this Europe only Exclusive, the only users this will hurt are the XBOX ones, the PC gamers simply will download a pirated copy of the US version even before the PS3 exclusive version hits Europe.
My personal opinion is that console only owners nowadays are pretty stupid. A decent PC graphics card which can do the latest games is around 100$ and the games usually are 20-30% cheaper.
And if someone wants to pull a region stunt on the PC there is always Bittorrent, saying no...

Re:Same with Hulu (1)

Barny (103770) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886719)

I just get a friend from the states to buy the game on steam and send it to me as a gift :)

But this will be one game I will likely skip.

Re:Same with Hulu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27887183)

Troll all you want, but console gaming is about an experience that is fun. Why do I like my ps3 more?
- the drm is non intrusive
- games aren't as error prone as the ones on the pc
- you can play online without getting fragged by an script kiddie that found some hacks on the internet

Not to mention the whole wide tv / joystick experience that really stands out.

Do have fun playing on your 13 inch laptop.

Re:Same with Hulu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27887291)

no all the XBOX owners will do is get someone nice to change their drive firmware and download it/buy it from asia when the RF asian copy comes out

Hate Hulu ? Why ? (2, Interesting)

aepervius (535155) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886887)

Don't hate hulu for having a business model and offering it, hate those you want to access the cvontent from and don't consider you (otuside the US) to be a valid target market.

Re:Same with Hulu (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887007)

You don't know how to bypass that? hand in your geek card at the door.

It's a trivial protection designed for the masses, and to keep their content providers happy.

Re:Same with Hulu (1)

stephanruby (542433) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887251)

Most free proxy servers get blacklisted. Eventually, you just have to pay for a reliable shell account in your target country. It's a hassle, if nothing else. And no, I don't need to do this for Hulu, but I know some that are doing it to get BBC content and British TV from the US.

Gargoyles?? (2, Funny)

get quad (917331) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886633)

I am the Gateskeeper, are you the Wiimaster?

Who really gives a shiit, its a film game, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886733)

and most players ignore those totally as they already know 99.9999% recurring are total pants and so will ignore it.. Its a pity the game makers dont realise this sad fact.

YOU FYAIL iT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886755)

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It will still be available to all... (2, Interesting)

asdf7890 (1518587) | more than 5 years ago | (#27886791)

I can see why the developers are pissed off at this one.

People who wanted it on the PC platform in the EU will have two choices now: wait until Sony dictates they can join the party or get a crafty copy from someone state-side over them there h'interwebs.

The PAL/NTSC thing makes bugger all differece to people playing game on a PC so unless there were some local specific changes planned for the game (translations being the only likely one and that isn't a major draw as most of Europe, for instance, can speak English as well as many "natural" English speakers I could mention - at least well enough to enjoy a game in the language).

Even those (the majority I would guess) that do wait may be lost sales. By the time it does come out for the PC their excitement may have diminished either because the game picked up so-so reviews or simply because the next big thing is just around the corner and they are thinking about that instead. There are also people like me - I now won't be buying unless I find a way of not buying it through a route that aids Sony (which means getting a 2nd hand copy later or finding one from another distribution territory without paying extra through delivery/duty fees). Of course Sony will blame these lost sales on piracy, not on the fuckwittery that is last-minute third-party exclusives...

None of this is anything Sony will give a shit about. OK so as the distributor they will lose some money from the lost sales too, not just the developers and publishers, but that will be less important to them than the marketing potential of having an exclusive title for a time.

A quick suggestion for those in affected areas: write a quick letter to you local daily papers about how a foreign company is being allowed to stop people playing a game unless it is on their platform. Over here the Mail and the Sun love this sort of shit. Let us see if we can't get some bad press for Sony out of this if nothing else. Drop a note to your local rabidly right-wing MPs (including, but not limited to ranty idiots like the BNP) too - people bother MPs for far more stupid things than this (and to be frank the right-wing nut-jobs aren't doing anything useful with their time otherwise anyway) and maybe any resulting noise will encourage the competition commission to peruse the situation (OK, the CC do have better things to be doing with their time so maybe not).

If it makes sense... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27886921)

Then it doesn't bother me. I own all three consoles for their exclusive games.

When I see a SONY game only for the PS3 like Killzone 2 or God of War III I'm not shocked. Same with a third party title like Metal Gear Solid 4 that was built specifically for PS3 hardware and is long associated with the Playstation brand. Same with a title like Valkyria Chronicles that was a PS3 exclusive, because Japan is a PS3 loaded territory, and Sega expected the game to sell the most copies in Japan so they focused on one console.

When SONY got Virtua Fighter 5 as a PS3 exclusive they forced Sega to rush the port and it had no online play because Sega refused to allow the game online for fear that it would hurt arcade play in Japan. Microsoft then a year later asked Sega to port VF5 to the 360 and that version had online play because MS wanted the game played for the World Cyber Games. Sega didn't want the game online but Microsoft wouldn't back down. So now VF5 is online for the 360 with excellent net code.

Does making the Fallout 3 DLC only 360 exclusive make sense? No, Bethesda ought to be ashamed for this. Does REZ only being on the XBL marketplace make sense? No, the developer even said that they want to make the game for other platforms (PS3). Was Virtua Fighter 5 being a PS3 exclusive nonsensical? Yes and it was ported to the 360 eventually.

Pot and Kettle (1)

zetsurin (993567) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887047)

It's ironic that this has only become a negative talking point when it's in favour of the PS3. I recall across the fanboy spectrum (internet forums) much joy and celebration everytime the 360 scored a timed exclusive etc. I think rather than turning into complete hypocrites (or - for most - continuing to be hypocrites) you instead reflect on the fact that your Microsoft or Nintendo console is region locked. Perhaps this is why you lot are whinging so much?

Lets make a deal. (1)

zerospeaks (1467571) | more than 5 years ago | (#27887333)

I will gladly trade ghostbusters to xbox, for Ace combat for PS3!
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