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Mobile Wi-Fi Hot Spot

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the boy-in-a-bubble dept.

Cellphones 202

bsharma writes to let us know about a little goodie that we will be able to buy starting May 17: a battery-powered, rechargeable, cellular, Wi-Fi hot spot that you can put in your pocket. "What if you had a personal Wi-Fi bubble, a private hot spot, that followed you everywhere you go? Incredibly, there is such a thing. It's the Novatel MiFi 2200, available from Verizon starting in mid-May ($100 with two-year contract, after rebate). It's a little wisp of a thing, like a triple-thick credit card. It has one power button, one status light and a swappable battery that looks like the one in a cellphone. When you turn on your MiFi and wait 30 seconds, it provides a personal, portable, powerful, password-protected wireless hot spot. ... If you just want to do e-mail and the Web, you pay $40 a month for the service (250 megabytes of data transfer, 10 cents a megabyte above that). If you watch videos and shuttle a lot of big files, opt for the $60 plan (5 gigabytes). And if you don't travel incessantly, the best deal may be the one-day pass: $15 for 24 hours, only when you need it. In that case, the MiFi itself costs $270." The device has its Wi-Fi password printed on the bottom, so you can invite someone to join your network simply by showing it to them.

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hotspot on (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27899909)

first post

Better reception with this unit (5, Interesting)

rwwyatt (963545) | more than 5 years ago | (#27899917)

One Advantage of the MiFi unit is that the performance is better than that of a standard datacard. Laptop Noise is an issue with usb sticks especially in low coverage areas.

Disclaimer: I work for the Manufacturer.

Singularity? (-1, Offtopic)

Sybert42 (1309493) | more than 5 years ago | (#27899991)

What is the Manufacturer's plans with regards to the Singularity? Maybe they could ask a general AI how noise interferes with the Wifi versus Cellular data.

Re:Singularity? (5, Informative)

rwwyatt (963545) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900077)

I am not actually an RF engineer so my thoughts/explanation may be completely ludicrous(it would not be the first time). My expertise is basically layer 3 through 5 of the OSI model

During the system test phase, a large number of measurements were performed to isolate the impact of Wifi Noise on 3G and 3G Noise on WiFi. It was found that there was actually minimal impact of Wifi on 3G and vice versa.

Re:Better reception with this unit (3, Informative)

Celeste R (1002377) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900541)

Units like this are nothing new.

The inherent problem with these isn't the fact that they're celluar; it's the fact that they're WIFI.

Driving around with this isn't nearly so great when you're getting interference from APs on the same channel (and there's no way to avoid it).

This means stuttered speeds while there's interference; and until this problem is solved with either a new WIFI spec or limiting the AP to an uncommon spec (who uses A these days?) that its utility is limited.

And when utility is limited, it's not going to be the wonder product that people would like.

I'll stick with my USB 3G, thank you.

"simply by showing it to them" (5, Insightful)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 5 years ago | (#27899919)

And what do you do when you no longer want to let them have access?

Re:"simply by showing it to them" (4, Interesting)

macraig (621737) | more than 5 years ago | (#27899975)

I guess you get up and leave! Or yank the battery.

Re:"simply by showing it to them" (5, Funny)

James Skarzinskas (518966) | more than 5 years ago | (#27899979)

Kick them in the nethers and run away?

Re:"simply by showing it to them" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27899993)

You KILL -9 them

Re:"simply by showing it to them" (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900343)

You're so nerdcore.

Electric signal (1)

Sybert42 (1309493) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900003)

Post-singularity, it will be an electrical switch in the "brain".

Re:"simply by showing it to them" (5, Funny)

davester666 (731373) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900023)

You smash their computer, of course. And you'll have get them in a headlock that cuts the blood flow from their head, to try to wipe their short-term memory (of the password and you smashing their computer).

And you'll have to kill the witnesses, as this is all in public.

Re:"simply by showing it to them" (5, Informative)

Hillview (1113491) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900069)

Theoretically, you could "type 192.168.1.1 into your Web browser's address bar -- a trick well known to network gurus -- the MiFi's settings pages magically appear. Now you can do geeky, tweaky tasks like changing the password or the wireless network name, limiting access to specific computers, turning on port forwarding (don't ask)." Of course, you could also read the article.. Theoretically.

Re:"simply by showing it to them" (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900133)

And what do you do when you no longer want to let them have access?

Gee, I dunno Einstein, maybe stop showing them the password?

Re:"simply by showing it to them" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900189)

What if they memorized it or wrote it down?

Re:"simply by showing it to them" (2, Funny)

tylerni7 (944579) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900303)

Memorizing? Writing? Hah! I find that unlikely!

Re:"simply by showing it to them" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900511)

You send them a DMCA takedown notice to stop them using your intellectual property of course!

Re:"simply by showing it to them" (4, Informative)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900171)

Same thing you do with every other wifi router, you change the password. In this case using their web interface which much like every other little consumer WAP/Router on planet.

And this would be a good example of how reading the article can save you from asking a stupid question.

Re:"simply by showing it to them" (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900297)

It's not a stupid question, more of a snide remark. The password is printed on the device. This "feature" supposedly enables the user to share the password with other people "simply by showing it to them". If you change the password, you break that feature. So really, that can't be the point of printing the password onto the device. Some marketing guy dreamed up another bullet point. In reality it's just a way of making sure that the default password doesn't get lost, without making it the same for all devices.

Re:"simply by showing it to them" (1)

WGFCrafty (1062506) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900605)

Several router/modems also follow this practice, like 2wire wireless router/modem combos. They work as a DSL modem and as a wireless router.

They protect the wireless connection by default with the key printed on the bottom of the modem below the serial. Works good and helps protect ignorant people's networks from malicious use.

Re:"simply by showing it to them" (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900673)

It would add significant cost, but perhaps a small e-paper display could have been put on the bottom or covered by a lid that would have a password, and another button on the unit to change the PW instantly. This way, one could be using their wireless connection at one location, then at some other place, push the button, configure their laptop to switch as well.

Another idea would be adding a rudimintary RADIUS server onto the card and just use the enterprise-level authentication, and not worry about WPA passwords. However, some type of password would be needed to initially configure or reset the device, so this may not be the best of ideas.

Re:"simply by showing it to them" (0, Offtopic)

ifeelswine (1546221) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900651)

And what do you do when you no longer want to let them have access?

modify your dns to redirect all of their web requests to goatse

on my E71... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27899921)

I use joikuspot.

Cash money! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27899933)

This will be great once someone figures out your wifi password and starts torrenting. $0.10 per megabyte? Should be a pretty impressive bill when it comes.

Re:Cash money! (5, Informative)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900037)

Yeah, I don't get how these highly-metered services even exist -- especially on "landline broadband". Even in mobile broadband, it's nowhere near justifiable, methinks. Anyone who pays $40 for half a CD per month of data transfer in 2009 is batshit insane. That probably wouldn't even cover the spam I get.

Re:Cash money! (1)

zMaile (1421715) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900277)

Well, in Australia with our shitty expensive services, that's what we'd be paying telstra for the same rates with an ADSL connection. Granted it's $AUS, not $USD.

Re:Cash money! (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900533)

Anyone who pays $40 for half a CD per month of data transfer in 2009 is batshit insane. That probably wouldn't even cover the spam I get.

That's why you filter the spam on the server side and don't download the bodies of messages in the junk mail folder.

Someone forgot about the Cradlepoint! (5, Informative)

strredwolf (532) | more than 5 years ago | (#27899943)

Someone forgot about the battery powered Cradelpoint systems. They're at http://www.cradlepoint.com/ [cradlepoint.com] and aren't tied to one system or another: You provide a USB dongle for it. It provides everything else. The PRS300 or the CTR350 has been around for years now.

Re:Someone forgot about the Cradlepoint! (1)

phantomcircuit (938963) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900125)

This is really cool and it's only $180.00, nice find PHS300 [cradlepoint.com]

Re:Someone forgot about the Cradlepoint! (3, Informative)

greenThing (111378) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900203)

I've been using a PHS300 from Cradlepoint with my Sprint USB broadband dongle for almost a year. I commute by train 50 mins each way daily. I turn it on, toss it in my backpack, and I'm online for the train ride with no problems & nothing hanging off my laptop.

Re:Someone forgot about the Cradlepoint! (1)

kindbud (90044) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900309)

Yep, they're great. I am posting using a PHS300 right now from my boat which is moored at Isthmus Cove on Catalina Island. 4 bars and 2.5mbit/s downloads here (670kbit/s up). That's better than the Wifi offered for boaters here at Two Harbors. I have a grandfathered unlimited Verizon 3G account with the UM175 dongle.

When I'm commuting to work, I listen to Pandora on the bus with my iPod touch.

Re:Someone forgot about the Cradlepoint! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900365)

And a Cradlepoint with WiMAX can really kick ass. An unlimited plan with T1's up and down... Just the cities eligible so far are limited, but growing! Clear [clear.com] and check devices.

Re:Someone forgot about the Cradlepoint! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900383)

Y'see, this device in the OP has already been beaten before it even existed!

The price for this Mi-Fi is just terribly high.
The execution of the device is just too insecure. (fixed password? If so, then it has fail written all over it)

I believe this is doomed to fail very badly, anyone who buys this is completely nuts, especially at this moment in time. (economic depression, blah)

They've finally perfected male birth control. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27899951)

Just what I've always wanted, a mobile wi-fi hotspot sitting in my pants pocket microwaving my genitals all day long.

Re:They've finally perfected male birth control. (5, Funny)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900009)

I don't think this is a problem for most /.ers

Re:They've finally perfected male birth control. (1)

Dolphinzilla (199489) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900211)

lol - thanks for that !!!

L A M E (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27899957)

Just like all you homos on this site.

Been there, done that. (5, Informative)

haner (1551705) | more than 5 years ago | (#27899959)

I don't see the big deal in this. For those of us who run Symbian based phones, Joikuspot has a free version which allows you to use your phone as a personal wifi hotspot with encryption. I use my E71 on ATT for an instant 3G hotspot wherever a 3G connection exists.

Re:Been there, done that. (5, Funny)

ouimetch (1433125) | more than 5 years ago | (#27899985)

"it provides a personal, portable, powerful, password-protected wireless hot spot."

Clearly anything that can be described with this level of alliteration is a big deal.

Re:Been there, done that. (5, Funny)

CaptainPatent (1087643) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900097)

"Allegedly, anything able to be accounted for with this amount of alliteration is absolutely astounding"

There, fixed that for you.

Re:Been there, done that. (2, Informative)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900375)

Man, that not technically alliteration (It isn't quite assonance either, as you are switching between vowel sounds there).

Re:Been there, done that. (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900657)

Yeah, he's so excited he P'd himself.

Re:Been there, done that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900039)

Some of us REALLY hate cell phones.

Re:Been there, done that. (2)

Gible (526142) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900147)

Hell, I can use my Nokia 6234 to get net access via bluetooth. Tho I can't speak for the speed or quality, I only did it to see if I could and then disconnected - I can't afford 1992 data rates anymore.

I suppose there might be some sort of emergency where I might use it, but it hasn't happened yet.

I see two points (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900559)

I don't see the big deal in this.

I see two points:

  1. Some people don't want voice service, or they're happy with prepaid voice service that costs $10 for 60 minutes a month because they only use voice to arrange an occasional ride.
  2. Under some plans, tethering is a TOS violation. Under this plan, it's the entire point.

Cna (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27899967)

"...you *cna* put in your pocket."

Singularity use? (0, Offtopic)

Sybert42 (1309493) | more than 5 years ago | (#27899969)

Most Singularity-research should be done on high-speed landlines. Also, the iPhone can do this. The iPhone will seem silly post-Singularity.

Rooted G1 with WiFi Tether (4, Interesting)

SighKoPath (956085) | more than 5 years ago | (#27899971)

I've been doing this for months. http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/ [google.com]

Irresponsible (0, Troll)

Sybert42 (1309493) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900031)

Wait until after the Singularity? This is not an artificial scarcity.

Or if you've got a Windows Mobile Phone (2, Informative)

goldcd (587052) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900273)

http://wmwifirouter.com/ [wmwifirouter.com]

Which works like a charm. Main uses I have for it is to get my iTouch online when there's no wifi about, or when a few of us are stuck in a ransom office somewhere with no/firewalled net access.

Main issue isn't getting a wifi available over a 3G backhaul (however you want to do it), but rather the quite horrific cost of doing so.

Re:Rooted G1 with WiFi Tether (4, Insightful)

bughunter (10093) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900293)

Agreed. If I already have a device whose main function is to connect me to a network, why do I need to have *another* one because I want to send a different kind of data? It's the same network, same protocol, same everything, except for the opportunity to sell me something I already have. So explain to me again why I need a MiFi in addition to a 3G cellphone?

Re:Rooted G1 with WiFi Tether (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900567)

So explain to me again why I need a MiFi in addition to a 3G cellphone?

Because you probably live in North America, home of mobile fleecing, and you didn't pay extra for a tethering clause in your contract.

great again (3, Interesting)

u4ya (1248548) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900001)

With the story yesterday about the car-centric mobile network, and now this today... it's great to see.

As most of you know, the Internet is at risk of being restricted. Imagine a free, global Internet mesh, where the likes of RIAA and Big Brother couldn't reach. It would be a great boon to freedom of the Internet and to humankind.

Of course, naysayers would probably say they will always find a way to strip our freedoms... but we can all dream, can't we?

We can dream of things far greater. (-1, Offtopic)

Sybert42 (1309493) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900011)

The Singularity will be mesh by nature.

Enable VOIP! (2, Insightful)

Gible (526142) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900027)

So wait... The telco's won't allow my iPhone/G1/Crackbery/etc to use VOIP over their network unless I buy one of these first?

Wait for Singularity (1, Offtopic)

Sybert42 (1309493) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900061)

Data will be better understood then, and better handled. You can try to use VOIP whenever you have IP, but latency or other problems may arise. Bandwidth is just one variable.

Re:Wait for Singularity (-1, Troll)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900403)

Wait for single bullet through your fucking crapflooding brain.

There will be no singularity for the dead.

Bullets after the Singularity. (0, Offtopic)

Sybert42 (1309493) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900529)

Probably won't be as useful. Intelligence will have to find its way into even projectiles.

Joikuspot (1)

speedtux (1307149) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900073)

Any Symbian S60 phone will do this with Joikuspot (a $20 software add-on).

It's occasionally useful; most of the time, Bluetooth or a USB cable are better, because they drain the battery less.

Re:Joikuspot (1)

operator_error (1363139) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900233)

This setup works well for me during my daily train commute. I use an external Nokia battery (rechargeable AA, 2500 units of power), which is essentially a 2nd, hot-swappable power source. This is a $20 Nokia part.

Because I only have a single SIM for my account (I should inquire if I can get a 2nd, but nevermind)... It is too delicate to swap out the SIM to a USB laptop modem frequently, so using the Nokia N95 as a modem is most efficient during the commute.

Three in the UK do something not too dissimilar (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900075)

but it is 15gig for £15 ($23), and the Huawei d100 is about £75 ($115). Admittedly the modem uses a mains a/c supply - but I am certain it is fairly easy to make a portable supply for it.

If you think that is aggressively priced - you even get a third off if you are already a customer... If I had excellent reception here - I would have not bothered with a landline/adsl..

I already have one, its called an iPhone ... (2, Informative)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900107)

Its rechargable, does 802.11a/b/g, does GPRS and edge and lets me make voice calls without using some POS VoIP app that sounds like shit regardless of how much bandwidth you give it (looking at you skype).

Hate to sound like an iPhone fan boy, but really this isn't impressive unless they pay me to buy it and cut the monthly cell data charges down to $40/month for unlimited usage like I get with my iPhone. Otherwise its just dumb to waste your money on it if the iPhone is an option.

Re:I already have one, its called an iPhone ... (4, Insightful)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900299)

So, how well does your iPhone share out that connection to a real computer (you know, what the whole point of this little device is)? Oh wait, Apple doesn't allow tethering apps? Hmm, sorry, I think you don't quite get it. There are LOTS of Internet-capable handheld devices out there (some much more-so than the iPhone, thanks to having Flash and the option to install your own browser/mail client/whatever). The iPhone is a neat device, but until you can link it with a PC and share the wide-area connection (without jailbreaking, that is), it won't do what people buy these things for.

Re:I already have one, its called an iPhone ... (1)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900333)

No but wait, his Iphone lets him make phone calls (and apparently supports 802.11a), so it's as good or better than any other product on the market, no mater what that device does.

Better than ANY other product? (3, Funny)

Selanit (192811) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900433)

No but wait, his Iphone lets him make phone calls (and apparently supports 802.11a), so it's as good or better than any other product on the market, no mater what that device does.

That's right! The iPhone really IS better than any other product on the market, regardless of function! No matter what task comes to hand, the iPhone will see me through.

Why, I use my iPhone to puree tomatoes all the time. And it's SOOO handy when I want to brush my teeth. And just ask my girlfriend what she thinks of its penis enlargement capabilities. Truly, the iPhone is the pinnacle of technological development!

Re:Better than ANY other product? (1)

Jamamala (983884) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900463)

And just ask my girlfriend what she thinks of its penis enlargement capabilities. Truly, the iPhone is the pinnacle of technological development!

She says that next time she'd prefer it if you operated the touchscreen with your fingers.

Re:I already have one, its called an iPhone ... (4, Insightful)

Jay L (74152) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900381)

The iPhone is a neat device, but until you can link it with a PC and share the wide-area connection (without jailbreaking, that is), it won't do what people buy these things for.

Good point - and I too "have one and it's called an iPhone".

What I think this really means is that Apple can do what it's done repeatedly this decade: Create something versatile and potentially disruptive, but hold off on the disruption as long as is profitable.

F'rinstance: Everyone else sold MP3-based music players with no DRM. Apple made an iPod that could play DRM-free music - but, instead, they turned around and partnered with every major music label to provide a locked-down but fully-stocked catalog. Gah! Where's my free music?

In retrospect, it was pretty damned smart. Guess what they could do just as soon as "pent-up consumer demand profit" became greater than "become best buds with the RIAA profit"? Remove all the DRM.

They did it again with the iPhone App store. Every other smartphone allowed independent development, but Apple told us we'd get nothing but WebKit-based apps, and we'd like it. Meanwhile, that let them ship the first iPhone without worrying about the public API - and create visible, vocal demand from the development community. By the following year, programmers everywhere were screaming: "Please! Let us write programs for your platform!" And what do you know... the App Store appeared, and Apple gets a cut.

I don't know if it was truly planned this way, but it does seem to be a pattern, doesn't it? Most companies either court the rebellious-hacker base with an open API (early TiVo, some Google, Twitter), hoping to Be The Platform, or build a fortress (late TiVo, Facebook), hoping to Be The Gatekeeper. Apple seems to have a knack for being the gatekeeper as long as it possibly can - and then amazing us with the new power of the platform.

The jailbroken apps, as well as the 3.0 betas, prove that Apple could offer iPhone tethering next week - or next year. But they'd have to annoy AT&T to do it, and probably renegotiate. Why do that before they have to?

My hope: The MeFi will be a huge success, and there will be clamoring for Apple to offer something nearly as good. And then, one day, they'll send out a firmware update... and behold: the iPhone tethers. "It's amazing. I'm really proud of this capability, which is the first in a capacitive-touchscreen smartphone." etc.

Re:I already have one, its called an iPhone ... (1)

kalpaha (667921) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900551)

What? You don't have 3G, can't share the connection with computers and pay $40? I can do that with my Nokia E75 and JoikuSpot for less than $14 (10 EUR) / month.

Not to burst your bubble... (2, Informative)

nilbog (732352) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900109)

This isn't that revolutionary. I have an AT&T Tilt that can share its 3G connection via WiFi using a program called WMWifiRouter. Since my data plan is "unlimited" and only $15/mo, it's a way better deal than this "new" tech.

Re:Not to burst your bubble... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900421)

Surely you must be mistaken. AT&T has never offered a good deal on anything ever. Are you sure this isn't somehow illegal / violating your TOS / secretly subsidized by the NSA / powered by the souls of the innocent?

Re:Not to burst your bubble... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900527)

Same with sprint. Using HTC Touch Diamond or Pro, using WMWifiRouter. I pay $10 for unlimited, 2 mbps or greater, EVDO Rev A WiFi access.

Slashvertizments going downhill these days.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900111)

Can we at least get our spam run through a simple spell checker? that you cna put in your pocket honestly...

Not to mention that this functionality has been possible for a decade now

WMWifiRouter (2, Interesting)

doronbc (1434117) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900123)

I use this on my winmo htc titan. Cricket in Colorado 60/month unlimited everything, ftw.

Exactly (2, Interesting)

meehawl (73285) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900497)

I read this and thought the same thing. Have been enjoying WMWiFiRouter for a couple of years now. Binds your Windows Phone's 3G signal to the WiFi and re-broadcasts it for association by clients over WiFi or Bluetooth [wmwifirouter.com] . Interestingly, attached clients score a higher bandwidth (~130%) of the phone's browser running a similar speed test (~1 Mbps). Obviously CPU limited. It amused me in the days before there was a 3G iPhone to let my 2G iPhone friends associate to a Windows Mobile phone using WiFi to accelerate their web browsing.

I have used this to downloaded GBs of torrents to my laptop. For $30/month to Sprint for phone and unlimited texts and internet it's an awesome deal.

Airport Express? (0, Offtopic)

v1 (525388) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900131)

Obviously not useful to relay cell phone to wifi but a good thing to carry in the laptop bag. Not much larger than a power adapter, you plug it directly into the wall and run a line to the ethernet and it gives wifi. Also has a printer and a stereo port but probably not useful in this case. Heck of a lot cheaper than the MiFi too, $99 [google.com]

Re:Airport Express? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900579)

Not much larger than a power adapter, you plug it directly into the wall and run a line to the ethernet and it gives wifi.

So where do you get the ethernet if you don't have cable or DSL where you are?

Cyborg hot spot... (0)

rts008 (812749) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900153)

When these get small enough to be implanted in my scrotum with the UI implaned in my penis, no thanks.

observer: 'Dude! Are you playing with yourself?'
me: 'Nah, just...dialing...long...UrghhhAahhhh...distance! Oops, sorry about the 'pinkeye surprise', should of blinked!'

RIAA vs. MiFi Does (1)

zifr (1467429) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900157)

Since your the ISP if your sharing, how do the p2p lawsuits work?

Fpp tacdo (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900169)

they Want yo!u to

What the hell? (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900179)

Firstly, these aren't new... they've been around for 2 years at least, and are becoming relatively cheap now.

Secondly.. 2 year contract? $40 a month for 250MB? WTF?

I pay $7 per month for 1GB, and that isn't limited. On a 12 month contract. I could go to $14 a month for 5GB, but haven't needed to.

I know things are more expensive in the US, but that is an *insane* difference.

Re:What the hell? (1)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900327)

The US makes up for* the fact that our land-lines are flat-rate unlimited** by charging you through the nose for mobile data. It's annoying***, but there it is.

* I have no idea if these are actually connected, but they could well be.
** Unlimited until you go over some secret limit and get cut off entirely... but up to that limit the cost never changes.
*** The US Internet infrastructure is starting to look positively backward. We're behind other developed countries on wired bandwidth penetration, and the third world is kicking our ass on wireless connectivity.

Re:What the hell? (1)

CliffH (64518) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900359)

"I know things are more expensive in the US, "

Really???

Vodafone NZ [vodafone.co.nz]

That's just the tip of the iceberg over here. I'm sure there are more countries with higher rates but, well, I don't really feel sorry for the US if that is all that is being paid. For shits and giggles, have a look at the phone costs and plans. It's fun for the whole family. BTW, I only pick on them because I am using them at the moment, albeit, not for their data plans.

Why are we still on cell? (1)

zifr (1467429) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900181)

Why are we not on VoIP over 3g? Seems like the industry is fighting that. My VoIP connections sound far better than any other connection, land line or cell.

Re:Why are we still on cell? (2, Informative)

rwwyatt (963545) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900389)

I can only speak for the HSPA technology on DataCard. VOIP support will be a major feature in the next generation of cards which will be out later this year or first part of next year.

VOIP requires certain functionality called continuous packet connectivity which is introduced in a later version of the standards. In fact, there will be no circuit switch support on these data cards.

Re:Why are we still on cell? (2, Insightful)

digitalchinky (650880) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900519)

Because 'the industry' that runs the 3G typically runs the GSM and CDMA too. It's obviously not in their interest to hook you, the customer, up with data and then allow you to make unlimited voice calls over your own private SIP server running out of your basement. They want their cake, and they want yours too. Your VoIP sounds better because it typically has a metric arse load more bandwidth to work with. GSM codecs are about 13kbps, your typical land line turns digital a few hundred feet from your front door, 16 - 32kbps is not uncommon. Add an extra hundred or more kbps and this is why VoIP sounds better.

Telco's have been about reducing bandwidth since day one. They aren't about to change this mindset, it'll take a few more generations yet.

Re:Why are we still on cell? (2, Interesting)

zifr (1467429) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900577)

I'm not looking for a handout, I'm looking for better tech. Further, 3g has far better upload in my area than cable/dsl. 150kbps up 3g. 60kpbs cable (max is around 110 in my area if I wanted SuddenSuck to gut me some more). 60kpbs handles my 4 trunks perfectly. I wouldn't see it as unreasonable to dump cdma/gsm and raise the cost of packet network access assuming it cost them more.

Just an overpriced 3G card (1)

loufoque (1400831) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900191)

That's just an overpriced 3G+ card.

And where I am, you get unlimited 3G+ for less than 40 dollars per month.
Oh yeah, and the carriers are giving out those cards for free when you subscribe.

Re:Just an overpriced 3G card (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900457)

Wifi support is quite a bit more prevalent than PC Card at this point (think non-laptop devices) and it supports multiple devices at the same time.

I agree that the data costs way too much.

Ad-hoc Internet Connection Sharing (1)

acedotcom (998378) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900201)

anyone could have done this...i have been doing it for two years...with now special equipment... I would plug my moto Q into my laptop, share the connection with my laptops wifi, turn on Internet connection sharing and create a portable Ad-hoc network. It didnt work well with PSP's and DS's, but laptop's and other computers could connect with out any problems...I even used to take it to the next level and run it to the LAN and then straight to my router and create a full blown 3G in home network that anything could connect too. anyone with a little ingenuity could have done this years ago. I would have months on Sprint where my total traffic would exceed 30GB's a month.

For the noobs on /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900223)

Similar devices have been around for years that support 3G networks other than Verizon's, and that don't require a data plan that can only be used by the wi-fi base.

Clearwire already has a similar product and faster (3, Informative)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900255)

Full disclosure: I work for Clearwire, and I am also not authorized to speak for the company.

http://gizmodo.com/5192430/review-clear-spot-portable-wimax-wi+fi-hotspot [gizmodo.com]

Beats hauling around a bulky CPE device and WiFi router everywhere.

The only downside is that WiMax coverage isn't in many markets yet.

Re:Clearwire already has a similar product and fas (1)

rwwyatt (963545) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900363)

The overall application layer throughput is heavily dependent on a number of factors. The overall 3G Network is limited to 3.1 Mbps.

Does Clearwire have Mobility enabled yet?

The MiFi is a fully functional 3G (EVDO) modem with a few additional features. There is an HSPA cousin as well.

Re:Clearwire already has a similar product and fas (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900467)

Realistically, a USB WiMax device can see upwards of 4 megs/sec AND given the cost of dongle and clearspot, is cheaper than the MiFi device. Faster speeds are possible, as evidenced by the Gizmodo article here: http://i.gizmodo.com/5174718/exclusive-wimax-uncapped-speed-tests [gizmodo.com]

What about LTE? (1)

Sybert42 (1309493) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900377)

Long-term-evolution seems more ready to become a global standard. Well, it's all pre-Singularity anyway. After the Singularity, we won't need standards.

Charge by the KB (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900271)

Now you can share your 3G or EVDO wireless connection with strangers! Last week a guy racked up $62K in data roaming charges http://www.mobilewhack.com/download-wall-e-while-in-mexico-for-just-62000/ [mobilewhack.com] . Sounds like a good idea for the cell phone companies who charge by the kilobyte. Consumers are in for a nasty surprise unless they have an unlimited plan. Personally I prefer to use my BlackBerry as a private tethered modem.

WMWifiRouter, JoikuSpot, PDANet... etc? (5, Informative)

SirJorgelOfBorgel (897488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900387)

"What if you had a personal Wi-Fi bubble, a private hot spot, that followed you everywhere you go? Incredibly, there is such a thing."

Yeah, it's called a phone!

If you have a Windows Mobile phone with an internet plan, you could use WMWifiRouter [wmwifirouter.com] (the most advanced of the pack), which has been available since 2007, and was the very first app to do this.

If you have a Symbian phone, you could use JoikuSpot [joikuspot.com] , which has been available since 2008.

To continue, for iPhone you could use PDANet. For Android there are also several programs available as well!

Why would you use something like this and get another data subscription when all you need is already in your pocket? Aside from the internet plan which you are likely to have already, all of these software are available for a small one-time fee - likely lower than one month of the data package itself.

Funny thing, none of those apps ever made it out of the firehose when I posted them. What makes this (very expensive and limited) product so special?

Hmmmm (2, Insightful)

untg (1551725) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900445)

Sounds like paid (or unpaid?) dvertising to me. -1, it's probably not as good as it's it sounds. For $60 a month I can get 80 GB with my ISP and this is, what, 5GB?? -2 to that...

why bother (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900517)

yes i'm too lazy to log in. I've found though with a standard windows mobile based phone and a simple cheap software called WM Wifi Router, you can do the same thing and NOT have the limitations that i'm sure verizon have imposed on the device.

spelling nazi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27900549)

that you cna put in your pocket.

Really?

Joikuspot (3, Informative)

wintermute000 (928348) | more than 5 years ago | (#27900553)

One word: Joikuspot

Turns your mobile into a wifi hotspot.

I've only tried with Nokia models but it works great (N82, 5800). The free version only allows port 80 and gives you a nagware screen the first website you go to but thats it. The paid version allows all ports/protocols with no nag screen.

Beats this device hands down - you always have your phone with you . Of course your carrier charges may be another story...

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