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Apple Refusing Any BitTorrent Related Apps?

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the ignorance-is-bliss dept.

Censorship 296

jamie pointed out what appears to be an unfortunate policy for Apple's app store that is refusing anything to do with BitTorrent. The example is a remote control app that allows a user to interface with their Transmission BitTorrent client. This certainly isn't the first complaint over app store policy. Issues from the return policy to the "objectionable content" of Nine Inch Nails have some developers concerned over what Apple is doing to the market. Of course, many are quick to remind that it is Apple's store and they are free to do whatever they want with it.

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First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27912605)

I just stole first post the same way you fuckers steal shit with bit torrent all fucking day.

Re:First Post (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27912697)

Is it really stealing if the media conglomerates refuse to sell it in other countries?

And second, stealing means depriving someone of something. We're not in their archives stealing the original reels or something.

Re:First Post (1, Flamebait)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913193)

Is it really stealing if the media conglomerates refuse to sell it in other countries?

Yes it is, if you dont buy it from the sellers how they want to sell. But this has been debated forever already, and you must be a retard not to understand it.

Re:First Post (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27913557)

Yes it is, if you dont buy it from the sellers how they want to sell. But this has been debated forever already, and you must be a retard not to understand it.

And you must be a retard not to understand that it's not "theft" or "stealing", it's copyright infringement and it has nothing to do with theft. And if they won't sell it to me in the first place, that means they don't want my money. So I am not depriving them of anything if I download it. If they wanted my money they should have offered to sell it to me, or at the very least not _refused_ to sell it to me because of where I happen to live.

Re:First Post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27913745)

Sorry i disagree.

I don't have the BBC, nor do i want to shell out for a satellite dish.

I love their programming, particularly Top Gear.

I've long downloaded each series ONLY BECAUSE they are not offered on DVD, besides Series 10 (Which i have purchased)

IF the BBC would release series 1-9, 11 and 12, i would happily buy each release.

Until the BBC gets their act together and puts them on DVD, VIVA LA BitTorrent.

Re:First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27912853)

You, sir, are a true hero. God bless you.

Re:First Post (1)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912977)

Need I actually point out there's legitimate uses of bittorrent? The first of which most people would cite is the distribution of *nix versions, so as to prevent bandwidth hammering on release days.

Re:First Post (4, Insightful)

nicolas.kassis (875270) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913131)

I'm I the only nerd who actually use it for mostly downloading ubuntu and feroda and for WoW patches? Who has time for movies anyway?

Re:First Post (5, Funny)

cptnapalm (120276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913237)

People who don't play WoW?

Re:First Post (0, Troll)

moon3 (1530265) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913317)

legitimate uses of bittorrent

If you mean the 0.01% of all bittorrent traffic that is deemed legitimate, then yes.

Re:First Post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27913225)

Barack Obama stole our future. Jesus Christ (or, Allah Ackbar as Barack would say) 50% of government spending is borrowed money. Everyone knows: Jews are good with money, niggers aren't. Affirmative action has fucked our country.

Re:First Post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27913825)

Jews are sure good with money, that is stealing money. Look at the esteemed Mr Bernard Madoff. Yep Jews are sure good with money. Hey look at all the money we send off the Israel too because American Jews tell our politicians to. Yep...

Goatse (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27912625)

Goatse [goatse.fr]

It's funny because you closeted gays love it.

Re:Goatse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27913611)

They may be closeted but you are in pathological denial. You want everyone to admit they are gay so you don't feel bad for jerking off six times a day to that picture you love to link here so much.

Jailbreak (5, Insightful)

googlesmith123 (1546733) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912635)

If you want torrent you can always jailbreak it.

Re:Jailbreak (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27912749)

That's the way I do it. Jailbreaking is awesome, you can install python, vlc, gcc, irc, if the package doesn't you can just create it from source, assuming that the libraries behind it work well with the iphone/touch. Honostly, the itouch has replaced my netbook needs for over 6 months now. The only thing I hate about it is how proprietary it is.

Re:Jailbreak (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913097)

Honostly, the itouch has replaced my netbook needs for over 6 months now.

Same here. As for proprietary, the easy ability to jailbreak was the tipping point for me to purchase it, otherwise, I'd probably have an eee right now.

Speaking of which, I'm done with "netbooks". Somebody sell me a lightweight touchscreen tablet with enough juice to run Photoshop so that if I decide to pull a late night working on a project, I can do it from the comfort of my own bed.

Re:Jailbreak (5, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913259)

So ... you photoshop your porn before a late night wank session?

Re:Jailbreak (4, Funny)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913429)

Yeah, I like to airbrush my mpegs frame by frame...the move to HD porn is killing me!

Re:Jailbreak (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913275)

Somebody sell me a lightweight touchscreen tablet with enough juice to run Photoshop so that if I decide to pull a late night working on a project, I can do it from the comfort of my own bed.

Why can't you just use a thin client like everyone else? In 1996 or so I had a SLC by my bed booting Xkernel from a linux box so that I could have a fanless system by my bed and still use Netscape. What year is it, anyway?

Or, put less arrogantly: lightweight laptop, wireless-N, vmware. Finding a decent tablet is the hard part. I got a DT366 but they are normally heinously expensive and I still haven't got anything decent to run on it. I'm working on building Angstrom Linux for it but OpenEmbedded is currently fucking killing me.

Re:Jailbreak (5, Insightful)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912781)

Jailbreaking: "It may be your store, but it's my goddamn phone".

Re:Jailbreak (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27912883)

And iWill iTouch it how iDamn well please.

Re:Jailbreak (0, Troll)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913061)

Forget jailbreaking the iShit.... just don't buy one, problem solved. Ohhhh, you want to use the iWhateverStuff? Live with the DRM then, sucker!

Ahem, that is not a troll, but simply the facts of iLife stated rather bluntly. It is their store, and if they want to run off all their customers, that is their problem. If you're drinking the iCoolaid you need to not complain about the iDRM. Apple is not too big to fail, they just didn't drill so many holes in their life raft as some automakers did.

Re:Jailbreak (2, Interesting)

Crashspeeder (1468723) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913239)

Forget jailbreaking the iShit.... just don't buy one, problem solved. Ohhhh, you want to use the iWhateverStuff? Live with the DRM then, sucker!

I'm not sure I agree. Sure, I've had to jump through hoops to get it to do what I want but once I do configure it, it's one of the coolest/funest things I have. I could say almost exactly the same about my linux install too.

Re:Jailbreak (1, Insightful)

onefriedrice (1171917) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913369)

If you're drinking the iCoolaid you need to not complain about the iDRM.

Actually, I doubt that many of us "koolaid drinkers" are the ones complaining. In my experience, the ones who complain the most/loudest about the app store are the ones who don't even have an iPhone/iPod touch. The rest of us are quite content with the wide assortment of apps that are already available, and most of us probably don't have the need to run BitTorrent apps on our cell phones.

Just a thought.

apologists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27913247)

Of course, many are quick to remind that it is Apple's store and they are free to do whatever they want with it.

Hey, it's Microsoft's OS and they are free to do whatever they want with it.

Apple's store (1, Insightful)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912651)

From what I hear, it's Apple's store and they are free to do whatever they want with it.

Re:Apple's store (1, Redundant)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912719)

Indeed, I've also heard that it is Apple's store and they are free to do whatever they want with it.

Re:Apple's store (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913035)

Indeed, I've also heard that it is Apple's store and they are free to do whatever they want with it.

I've heard this from two different sources now, so I think it's fair to say it's probably true. Off to update Wikipedia!

Re:Apple's store (5, Insightful)

compro01 (777531) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912813)

From what I heard, corporations are able to be criticized for their actions.

Re:Apple's store (1, Offtopic)

arth1 (260657) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913257)

And if they have a de-facto monopoly situation, other rules come into play.

Point me to a competing service that delivers software for the iPhone, and i'll grant that it's not a monopoly.

Re:Apple's store (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27913701)

Yes and a monopoly that is IDEAL for their business. Since there is no one capable of competing. You are free however to buy any smartphone you wish they don't have a monopoly on those.

Re:Apple's store (1)

tyrione (134248) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913709)

And if they have a de-facto monopoly situation, other rules come into play.

Point me to a competing service that delivers software for the iPhone, and i'll grant that it's not a monopoly.

Go live with Android. Or pine over the Pre. How about BlackBerry? They'll all have their own sandboxes for you to complain in.

Re:Apple's store (1)

One Louder (595430) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913727)

And if they have a de-facto monopoly situation, other rules come into play.

Point me to a competing service that delivers software for the iPhone, and i'll grant that it's not a monopoly.

From a regulatory standpoint, monopolies don't apply to markets consisting of individual products from individual companies, only an individual company dominating an entire market segment.

The are many smart phones out there, and the iPhone doesn't even have the largest fraction of that market -according to NPD, RIM is by far the dominant player in the US, with three of the top five best-selling smart phone devices.

Re:Apple's store (1)

TheOtherChimeraTwin (697085) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912873)

Yup, it is Apple's store, and they are free to run it as they like. Of course, they also want to encourage people like me to buy Apple products (oooh, so shiny!) Apple does just enough of this stuff to remind me that I'd rather not do business with them.

Perspective needed (1)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913119)

Yup, it is Apple's store, and they are free to run it as they like. Of course, they also want to encourage people like me to buy Apple products (oooh, so shiny!) Apple does just enough of this stuff to remind me that I'd rather not do business with them.

Oh get off your high horse. Apple sells music. they need a cooperative music industry. Why would the want to jeapordize that? Your crazy and petty to penalize them for acting rationally. Arguably they have done more to reduce DRM than all the negligible force of the whiners combined. Fairplay has always been speedbump not uncrackable DRM and now they sell DRM free tunes.

If you were honest in your claim of taking your custom to stores that support your preference you would be rewarding apple not avoiding them. In truth you will never shop at apple, thus marginalizing yourself and your leverage in the process.

get some perspective.

Re:Perspective needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27913343)

Sounds like you may be in need of some perspective yourself.

Apple has repeatedly denied apps on whims, their own judgments on ethics (the recent NIN app for instance), and because they're working on a similar app and don't want competition.

Oh Apple, save us from the evil and RESTRICT OUR FREEDOM OF CHOICE!

Torrents aren't evil in and of themselves. Many kinds of media are distributed rightly through them be it OS ISO files to Creative Commons Licensed music (that means Free as in beer) to application demos to full FOSS apps.

If Apple is so concerned about restricting this app due to BitTorrent's misuse, then it better start putting some content filtering in Safari.

Until Apple comes around to letting us choose what we want on the hardware we purchase from it, I will wait patiently for an Android phone under my prodiver. At least if I cant' find it then, I can write it.

Re:Apple's store (1)

Kelson (129150) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912917)

Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's reasonable, or a good idea.

It's legal for me to take a sledgehammer to my PC. Doesn't mean it's a good idea if I want to keep using it.

It's legal (AFAIK) for a bookstore to sell only one author's books. That doesn't mean it's a good idea if they want to make money outside a niche market. It's also legal (again, AFAIK) for them to enforce a dress code. If that dress code requires top hats, though, it's not terribly reasonable.

Re:Apple's store (1)

DrLang21 (900992) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913055)

It's also legal for a main stream book store to openly sell hardcore pornography and sex toys. That doesn't mean that it would be good for retaining their customer base.

Re:Apple's store (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913125)

How does selling apps to control bittorrent drive away customers? Also, couldn't a web browser be used to control bittorrent. You could probably somewhat easily (if you were a programmer) create a PHP page on Apache that interfaces with your Bittorrent client.

Re:Apple's store (4, Funny)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913197)

If that dress code requires top hats, though, it's not terribly reasonable.

Wow. I'd shop at that store every day of the week!

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

That's not the point. (1)

Estanislao Martnez (203477) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913145)

This information is relevant because one of Apple's selling point for the iPhone is that it is a good software platform. If you're attracted to the iPhone because of this reason, Apple's restrictions on what software they allow the platform to run is a very important piece of information, whether you're interested on buying a phone or developing for it. This is the reason why this is important news: it's relevant to deciding whether to buy into the iPhone.

Quite frankly, I think that Apple's restrictiveness in this regard makes me absolutely unwilling to develop software for that platform; they just simply would have too much control over the software, like dictating to me the distribution terms, or cancelling it arbitrarily.

Re:Apple's store (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913371)

They can shove it wherever they want too.

Web UI (5, Informative)

moniker127 (1290002) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912681)

Isn't this what web UIs are for?


I think ittl be a few years before people realize that bittorrent is perfectly legal, and a great distribution method.

Re:Web UI (3, Informative)

Knara (9377) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912779)

My thoughts exactly. Couldn't one just make a Safari bookmark?

Re:Web UI (1)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912809)

Try wtorrent [wtorrent-project.org]

Re:Web UI (1)

DdJ (10790) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913267)

Is BitTorrent in and of itself perfectly legal?

Sure.

But what percentage of BitTorrent traffic do you think is non-infringing?

And what percentage of BitTorrent users have never used it for any infringing purpose?

Re:Web UI (2, Insightful)

pwfffff (1517213) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913475)

Is driving in and of itself perfectly legal?

Sure.

But what percentage of commutes do you think are non-infringing?

And what percentage of drivers have never broken any traffic law?

Re:Web UI (1)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913653)

>But what percentage of commutes do you think are non-infringing?

On my commute, approaching zero, since the minimum observed speed is well over the posted limit, and the average speed is about 20% over.

>And what percentage of drivers have never broken any traffic law?

On my commute, very low. They all speed, except for the few in vehicles not capable of speeding.

Re:Web UI (1)

Zanothis (1552015) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913625)

What percentage of BitTorrent traffic would be non-infringing if the RIAA and MPAA didn't continuously give a negative connotation to the technology? And what you're forgetting is that a lot of the technology in existence today is based on the work of people who used that same technology for questionable reasons. MP3 became a considerably more popular audio format because of the widespread use of Napster, as did the idea for digital music distribution. It could even be argued that Apple wouldn't even have as strong of a user-base without Napster's influence.

Re:Web UI (2, Insightful)

mindcorrosive (1524455) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913469)

True. At least three of the most widely used (Deluge, KTorrent and Transmission) already have web UIs. No links, this can be easily checked on their official websites. rTorrent doesn't have web interface, AFAIK.

Apple will need to ban http to pull this off.

Re:Web UI (1)

sbeckstead (555647) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913783)

To pull what off exactly?

Customer is not always right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27912699)

Apple is free to do whatever they want. Of course they are free to annoy their customers too.

Apple..... (2, Insightful)

tyrnight (633534) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912725)

I am admittedly an apple fanboy... And I am now at wits end with how they operate to tightly over there apps and even the Mac itself. I still refuse to use Windows, but come on Apple, get your fucking head out of your pompous asses and wake up.. Its not all about 'YOU' you fucking fucks. listen to the Users and MAYBE you will win more market share.

Re:Apple..... (2, Informative)

DrLang21 (900992) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913135)

Apple has far more at stake than their user base now. With the iPod and the iTunes store, they have entered a political and business hotbed where everyone's ass is so tight they could turn coal into diamonds in a week. Apple is likely seeing that they need to be very careful if they want the big winners to keep cooperating in a pliable manner. The RIAA won't stop working with Apple if they allow BitTorrent apps on the iPhone, but you can bet that they will give Apple a much harder time of it, costing Apple lots of money just to deal with it.

Re:Apple..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27913415)

they have entered a political and business hotbed where everyone's ass is so tight they could turn coal into diamonds in a week.

So it's safe to say there will be no goatse iPhone app anytime soon?

Re:Apple..... (1)

DrLang21 (900992) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913583)

Sadly, the TSA agents are safe for now.

Apple is free to do whatever it wants... (5, Insightful)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912745)

The purpose of these stories, involving Apple refusing to sell apps, is not to debate the rights of Apple to do so. Everyone recognizes that Apple has a right to sell or not sell anything it so desires.

The purpose of these stories is to warn people to stay away from Apple, because Apple does not have your best interests in mind, only its bottom line.

Re:Apple is free to do whatever it wants... (5, Insightful)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912867)

The purpose of these stories is to warn people to stay away from Apple, because Apple does not have your best interests in mind, only its bottom line.

Or another way to put it might be that they are not trying to be everything to everyone, and while we do not necessarily know all the reasons for all of their decisions, anyone who is going to make a significant purchase ($200+ dollars plus ongoing fees) should have this information in order to make an informed decision.

If you're going to "warn people" to stay away from Apple because they're interested in their bottom line, you're going to have to warn people to stay away from pretty much all corporations. Of course, that means not having any sort of computing device...

Re:Apple is free to do whatever it wants... (5, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912969)

The difference isn't between companies interested in their bottom line and companies not so interested(all of which are dead); but between companies whose bottom line is bolstered by controlling you and companies whose bottom line is bolstered by serving you.

Fine, then Apple is not controlling you (-1, Redundant)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913077)

but between companies whose bottom line is bolstered by controlling you and companies whose bottom line is bolstered by serving you.

Apple in fact makes all the money they do because they are a SERVING company. They focus on doing a more limited set of things very well, and that in fact is a useful and valid approach to device or software design. They allow a more limited set of things on the App Store than is fully possible, but it's obviously not about control because you can get apps by other means - instead in cases like this it's self-interest on Apple's part in avoiding lawsuits. That's a far cry from the "controlling" mantra you and others put forth.

Happily for those that need more, there are other pathways (like Cydia) to load whatever you feel like on the device. That way Apple doesn't get into legal entanglements over bittorrent management, and you get a torrent manager on your phone.

Re:Fine, then Apple is not controlling you (3, Insightful)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913383)

obviously not about control because you can get apps by other means

Are you referring to the DMCA violation known as "jailbreaking"? How deliciously absurd.

Re:Apple is free to do whatever it wants... (1)

neoform (551705) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913009)

Apple does not have your best interests in mind, only its bottom line.

Wait, you mean corporations aren't looking out for me? Who *are* they looking out for then? Themselves? Psh!

Re:Apple is free to do whatever it wants... (2, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913231)

The purpose of these stories, involving Apple refusing to sell apps, is not to debate the rights of Apple to do so. Everyone recognizes that Apple has a right to sell or not sell anything it so desires.

Since Apple has gone to some trouble to prevent you from installing apps other than through the app store, there is very much room to debate whether they have the right to refuse to sell apps. They have given themselves a monopoly on non-developer iPhone application distribution and it could be considered anticompetitive. It is for a court to decide, but there is plenty of room for discussion.

They'd better stop approving Safari then (4, Insightful)

Stuart Gibson (544632) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912759)

Looking at the Transmission control interface through Safari on my iPhone right now. I guess now that Safari might be used to facilitate "this category of application" Apple will be pulling it from the OS?

I'm as much of a fanboy as the next guy, but Apple really need to get the house in order over the app store.

Use wTorrent (2, Interesting)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912787)

I stopped using Azureus once it disappeared from portage and I could only get Vuze. Since then I switched to rTorrent. Its awesome and command line based which means you can ssh into another machine and kick it off.
I've been meaning, but have yet to try out wTorrent which is a web interface to the same libtorrent that rTorrent uses.
This way you could just use safari to control your torrent downloads.

What the heck do they expect? (-1, Troll)

peragrin (659227) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912791)

Given the fact that a non jail broken iPhone/touch has no file handling abilities. Is this a suprise?

Sometimes I think people aren't that stupid. Then stuff like this comes up.

If the iPhone had a mass storage drive that was readily accessble from the interface with a file manger I would complain, but since it doesn't just what are you complaining about. The limted functionality of a functionally limited device?

Re:What the heck do they expect? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27912877)

No, actually, you're the one being stupid.

This is about controlling the bittorrent client on your home machine, not using bittorrent locally on the phone. RTFS.

Re:What the heck do they expect? (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913341)

No, actually, you're the one being stupid.

This is about controlling the bittorrent client on your home machine, not using bittorrent locally on the phone. RTFS.

Yup, and there is good chance the reviewer didn't pick up on the difference (I cynically put them in the same category as phone agents). Also, you need to remember that Apple also has a policy of preventing any application that does not make the difference between cellular data and wi-fi data transfers.

At the same time when you consider Transmission has a web based GUI, then the only thing that really needs doing is to get it to have an optimised view.

Re:What the heck do they expect? (4, Informative)

Stuart Gibson (544632) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912913)

It was an app to remotely control your desktop client. In other words the main utility was in starting your download again once you're on the bus and realise you forgot to unpause it.

Re:What the heck do they expect? (1)

Michael.LTN (1321987) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913015)

It was an app to remotely control your desktop client. In other words the main utility was in starting your download again once you're on the bus and realise you forgot to unpause it.

Isn't that what VNC is for?

Re:What the heck do they expect? (1)

krakelohm (830589) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913183)

VNC is a little overkill for that.

Re:What the heck do they expect? (0, Offtopic)

EkriirkE (1075937) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912949)

<anti/.>
RTFA
</anti/.>

What do you mean no files? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913121)

Given the fact that a non jail broken iPhone/touch has no file handling abilities.

In what way? A developer can write whatever files they like to the device. There are more limits around reading other system or app files, but you can read and write files all day long.

If the iPhone had a mass storage drive that was readily accessble from the interface with a file manger

There are a number of WebDAV client apps already on the store.

Re:What the heck do they expect? (1)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913447)

There are actually a fair number of iPhone apps on the store that provide DAV or HTTP servers for downloading files from the phone, so a BitTorrent client isn't exactly infeasible. It wouldn't be particularly useful given the limited amount of storage on the device, of course.... And as others have noted, this is basically just a native UI skin for a web interface to a BitTorrent client on another machine, not an actual client. Still, I'd probably be worried about contributory infringement claims if somebody tried to host such an app on a site I ran, so I can see why Apple would shy away from it.

That said, I'm left wondering why the developers of this application didn't just write it as a web app. If you take advantage of the HTML5 offline application cache to allow it to be cached on disk (flash), there's really not much benefit to writing a native app for something this trivial. That would avoid the whole question of whether Apple would allow it on the app store.

Just my $0.02.

It's Apple's store but it's the only store (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27912817)

We wouldn't put up with that situation almost anywhere else.

If Apple wants to let other stores exist then they can censor their own all they want but as long as they prevent other stores from existing they really are acting pretty evil

There is Another (0, Flamebait)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913151)

It's Apple's store but it's the only store

Another Apple Hater being willfully ignorant of reality.

There is Cydia [iphonestalk.com] you know. Only a few million Jailbroken phones but that's nothing to sneeze at.

Apple's Store, my iPhone (3, Insightful)

wbates (232236) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912851)

"Of course, many are quick to remind that it is Apple's store and they are free to do whatever they want with it."

By the same token isn't it my iPhone that I am free to do what I want with it? Sure that means I can jailbreak it, but why should I be forced to just to use an app that Apple doesn't want to sell on their store?

Re:Apple's Store, my iPhone (4, Insightful)

david_thornley (598059) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913735)

I fail to see your point.

If you want to buy an iPhone and jailbreak it, feel free. It's your iPhone, after all. If you want to buy an iPhone and get your apps from the App Store, cool. It's pretty useful that way, also. If you don't want to buy a iPhone, for whatever reason, that's fine too. That's how a healthy market economy works, and the iPhone isn't the only smart phone out there.

What I don't understand is why you think Apple should sell you precisely what you want in the way you want it. Apple is willing to sell you a product with certain capabilities and limitations. They aren't required to sell something similar but different, although they do have to live with any negative effects on their market share because of that.

So, buy or don't buy, jailbreak or don't jailbreak, but don't claim Apple is being unfair just because you find them inconvenient.

Stop gobbling Apple's knob? (4, Insightful)

Chas (5144) | more than 5 years ago | (#27912921)

Seriously. If Apple wants to engage in practices that result in a chilling effect on your target market why the fuck are you going to support them?
Because it's [LOVE]Apple{/LOVE]? Puh-leeze!
Because it enables you to reach a large market of consumers? Oh wait, they're denying those customers access to your products!

I'm sure Apple is great and wonderful and really really nice. I'm sure their app platform is the greatest thing since sliced stupid-people. But if they're going to actively interfere with your ability to reach customers FUCK THEM!

And yes, it's Apple's store. They can sell or not sell whatever they feel like.
However, it's not JUST Apple's store. It's the sole "legitimate" gateway into the devices you're writing apps for. That's part of the problem.

To use a baseball-related metaphor. You're a beer-hawker at a ballgame. Heaven help you if you try to sell booze in OTHER than the approved manner or brand.

Re:Stop gobbling Apple's knob? (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913687)

I'm sure Apple is great and wonderful and really really nice. I'm sure their app platform is the greatest thing since sliced stupid-people.

Mmmm... Apple-smoked people bacon.

To use a baseball-related metaphor. You're a beer-hawker at a ballgame. Heaven help you if you try to sell booze in OTHER than the approved manner or brand.

So? You're getting paid to sell their beer at their stadium. For the app store... well, you've got the roles twisted. Apple is the beerslinger. You're the beer producer, and I'm the baseball fan. And Apple, who also happened to be the person I rent my seats from, as well as the owner of the stadium, happens to forbid you from serving me certain kinds of tasty beverage. Oh no, the outrage!!

Seriously... if you want an open phone where it's easy to install anything you want, you should have known from day one that the iPhone was a bad choice. Bitching about it now is just plain stupid. Even from a developer standpoint... you HAD to know Apple was going to restrict apps.

But, anyway, thanks for bring up people-bacon and beer in the same post, now there's no way I'm going to make my weight-loss target this week.

Stand for any business, see your local McD's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27912975)

Like the sign says, "No shirt, No shoes, No Pants, No Service!"

If you don't like it.... (2, Insightful)

Budenny (888916) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913003)

If you don't like the way Apple runs its store, don't buy from it.

        If you don't like gay marriage, don't do it.

        If you don't like murder, don't commit it.

        If you don't like France, don't go there.

        If you don't like math, don't learn it.

        If you don't care for Enron, don't buy the stock.

        If you don't like subprime, don't take one out.

        -- And in any case, don't talk any more about it.

Why am I starting to wonder if there might not be something a little bit wrong with this form of argument?

Re:If you don't like it.... (5, Funny)

FooRat (182725) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913253)

Why am I starting to wonder if there might not be something a little bit wrong with this form of argument?

If you don't like that form of argument, don't use it.

Re:If you don't like it.... (1)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913269)

Illusion of choice my friend.

Re:If you don't like it.... (4, Interesting)

hoggoth (414195) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913287)

If you don't know how to make logical analogies, don't do it.

Re:If you don't like it.... (2, Interesting)

voisine (153062) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913437)

Apart from not talking about it, I don't see anything wrong with most items on the list. The problem comes with the use of force against the unwilling. Murder and subprime fall into this category. You don't like murder, be prepared to defend yourself and your loved ones. The subprime issue was caused by fed manipulation of interest rates. i.e. price controls on credit. Central economic planning doesn't work. If you were to open a bank that wasn't part of the federal reserve system, men with guns would show up and shut you down. Again, force against the unwilling. With enron you could make an argument that fraud was the culprit.

Re:If you don't like it.... (2, Interesting)

ADRA (37398) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913623)

Just a side note (I totally agree with you in concept) is that most of the things that you've listed have an impact on you in one way or another regardless of your preference. Your active choice of not doing something won't mitigate the effects of it upon your life:

Gay Marriage: Most likely won't directly affect you (unless you're gay of course).

Murder: Will affect you (or friends/family) if you do it or not.

Apple Store: The majority position of a system incompatible with one you choose to use means there are fewer chances that you'll get applications that you really want.

France: Pretty low affect besides trade deficits

Math: Your ignorance of math will only make you less valuable as a potential employee if everyone else knows it.

Enron: Caused such a big stink not just because a single company failed. It affected investor confidence in all American companies.

Sub Prime: Pretty much ditto of Enron. The irresponsible were punished along with the responsible.

Just wait a day or two (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27913045)

Today:

"WHAT TEH FUCK why is Apple trying to stop anything from going in the store they shouldn't do that I need to bittorrent my movies EVERY GODDAMN SECOND OF THE DAY! I can't sit around while the WORLD gets movies before I do! There is no specific rule against this in the Apple Store LISTEN TO ME NOW APPLE."

Tomorrow:

"WHAT TEH FUCKKK they fucking changed their fucking rules to fucking not fucking let those fucking bittorent apps up. I HATE U APPLE I HATE U AND I WILL NEEEEEEE *cleares throat, tries again* I WILL NEVVVVVVVV *tries again* NEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVV zomg it is apple and it is shiny i will buy seven please forgive me lord steve"

i just got off the toilet (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27913191)

i shit out an obama.

plop!

Same old song and dance (2, Interesting)

uncreativeslashnick (1130315) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913195)

...and we've been dancing it for decades. Big software corps, particularly ones that make the hardware and the software, have an incentive to make their stuff proprietary and to make it difficult to interoperate with anybody else's stuff. They lock you in, then lock you down. Apple is one of the worst offenders, here.

I'd like to say that when a truly open competitor comes along and offers competition, people will flock to it. But they won't because that's not how it works. Normal people buy the stuff that "just works" and apple's stuff is pretty good at that. The only way around it is for hackers to do what they do so well.

Hats off to you, hackers of the world.

All hail Apple! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27913309)

Apple has done what every ISP on earth has only dreamed of - they found a way to keep BitTorrent off the network. You would be amazed at how fast BitTorrent trashes a multi-user wireless network.

Tell that to M$! (1, Offtopic)

Grant,thompson (985589) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913321)

Of course, many are quick to remind that it is Apple's store and they are free to do whatever they want with it

Yeah, ask Microsoft about doing whatever they want with their own products (IE and Media Player in Windows). Making/Owning the best selling or most used of something and then putting rules around it, usually is asking for trouble from a government agency of some sort.

Uh oh, better watch out. (3, Insightful)

Pichu0102 (916292) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913331)

You can use logmein or other vnc apps to control torrent programs on your computer. Better ban that. You could control it through a webui using safari. Better ban that too. Wait, you could set up a script to control it with a phone call or email! Better ban the phone and mail apps, just to be sure.

Rediculous.

Where have I heard that before? (0, Flamebait)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913353)

Of course, many are quick to remind that it is Apple's store and they are free to do whatever they want with it.

Kind of like it is Microsoft's operating system, and they are free do anything they like with it. Except, it seems, provide a web browser.

Id rather die than give up my iPhone. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27913385)

God iPhone Ill do anything for you.
God Apple just tell me what you want me to.
God iPhone nail me up against the wall.
God Apple dont want everything he wants it all.

No you cant take it
No you cant take it
No you cant take that iPhone away from me
No you cant take it
No you cant take it
No you cant take that iPhone away from me

Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give up my iPhone.
Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give up my iPhone.

Bow down before the Jobs you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.
Bow down before the Jobs you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.

God Apple's not looking for the cure.
God Apple's not concerned with the sick among the pure.
God Apple lets go dancing on the backs of the bruised.
God Apple is the one to choose
No you cant take it
No you cant take it
No you cant take that iPhone away from me
No you cant take it
No you cant take it
No you cant take that iPhone away from me

Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give up my iPhone.
Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give up my iPhone.

Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.
Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.

Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.
Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.

Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give you control.
Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give you control.

Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.
Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.

You know who you are.

Enough Already! (2)

ADRA (37398) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913425)

I think we (Slashdot readers) get it by now what Apple's application development policies are. We don't need a weekly refresher of why Apple's policies suck. Please don't feed the trolls because this article much like the few before it contains contains nothing new that we shouldn't have known already. Someone makes a yes/no decision and you have to live with it.

Either two things will happen: Apple doesn't change their policies and we can assume as always that most applications that are perfectly legitimate but against Apple's corporate objectives will be canned, or that Apple decided that their policies are causing more harm than good and decide to change them. If the second case happens then please be my guess and post it.

This constant rhetoric over what should and what shouldn't be allowed is just fuelling a fire of debate that is ultimately as subjective as Apple's corporate policies.

I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27913549)

Why all that fuss about the iPhone and its apps store? It's a good computer-phone with a sleek interface, but nothing more. And Apple certainly didn't invent the concept of selling online apps. In a few months/years there will be better,sleekier (and cheaper) phones out there from companies that won't abuse their customers like Apple always did and still does. The best way to encourage fair companies is to do business with them. Therefore, dear Apple customers, instead of complaining about Apple being an ass of a company, just stop buyin their stuff.

Apple (2, Insightful)

azakem (924479) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913649)

Yes, Apple is free to do what they wish with their store, and we are free not to pay for their overpriced and overhyped products when saddled in this manner.

Don't bother replying Apple fanbois, I'm not interested. It's just another corporation acting in its own best interest.

From an engineers perspective: (4, Insightful)

leoc (4746) | more than 5 years ago | (#27913685)

Option A) Apple products.
Option B) The freedom to do what you want with the stuff you buy.

Pick one and stop complaining.

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