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Craigslist Kills Erotic Services Ads, Will Launch Adult Section

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the everything-must-go-inventory-sale dept.

The Media 390

CWmike writes "Submitting to mounting legal pressure, Craigslist has announced that it will remove the Erotic Services category from its classified advertising Web site within seven days. The move comes just two and a half weeks after Jim Buckmaster, CEO of Craigslist, told Computerworld that the company had no intention of removing the category. While it's taking down the category, it will be launching a new category called Adult Services, for which each posting will be manually reviewed before it appears. 'Unsurprisingly, but completely contrary to some of the sensationalistic journalism we've seen these past few weeks, the record is clear that use of Craigslist classifieds is associated with far lower rates of violent crime than print classifieds, let alone rates of violent crime pertaining to American society as a whole,' said Buckmaster in a blog post today. 'We are optimistic that the new balance struck today will be an acceptable compromise from the perspective of the constituencies, and for the diverse US communities that value and rely upon Craigslist.'"

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Unemployment Rates (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27942883)

Oh no, now we're sure to see a spike in the unemployment rates as all the hookers file as first-timers.

Re:Unemployment Rates (4, Insightful)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943803)

Damn..I was really hoping they'd fight this one.

From what I read of CL's lawyers earlier releases, it seemed that they could indeed have withstood and won any court battles that would have come their way. I was hoping some good precedents would have been set....

Not like it's going to make a difference (5, Insightful)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 5 years ago | (#27942887)

They'll just use some other website instead. If there's one thing the authorities should learn it's that you can't win the game of whack-a-mole.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (4, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#27942903)

I know it. there is a site where people are telling everyone they are committing a crime, and how to get in touch with them, and they want to shut it down?

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (5, Insightful)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943025)

Of course because you're outlawing something you have no business outlawing, you drive it underground and force up prices (thus enticing more people into the act you want to ban) and make it dangerous for all involved. Instead of blasting CL for allowing the ads, they should be rethinking the law making the ads illegal in the first place. It's not like legalizing this would lead to the collapse of society... even the Church at one point allowed it.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (3, Insightful)

DrLang21 (900992) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943077)

Regulate and tax I say.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (5, Funny)

flyingsquid (813711) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943809)

It will move to some other online venue. Maybe slashdot (shudder). I can practically see the ads now...

"Male seeking... anything."

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (1, Flamebait)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943273)

...even the Church at one point allowed it.

While I agree with you for the most part, I can't think of any time prostitution has been endorsed by the "Church", which by that I take it you mean the Christian church. Christians are supposed to abstain from sex outside of marriage.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (2, Informative)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943331)

While I agree with you for the most part, I can't think of any time prostitution has been endorsed by the "Church", which by that I take it you mean the Christian church. Christians are supposed to abstain from sex outside of marriage.

And yet if you do your history, the Roman Catholic church did (this was before ML).

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (1, Flamebait)

xonar (1069832) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943587)

While I agree with you for the most part, I can't think of any time prostitution has been endorsed by the "Church", which by that I take it you mean the Christian church. Christians are supposed to abstain from sex outside of marriage.

And yet if you do your history, the Roman Catholic church did (this was before ML).

Protestants generally consider Catholics not to be Christians.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (4, Insightful)

jalefkowit (101585) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943637)

Protestants generally consider Catholics not to be Christians.

[Citation needed]

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (5, Funny)

Joebert (946227) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943851)

here you go [slashdot.org]

Wikipedia style.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (1)

DrLang21 (900992) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943655)

Really? Have any data on that? Or are you referring to the minority Protestant Church leadership?

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (1)

Entropy98 (1340659) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943589)

Who/what is ML? (Martin Luther?)

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (3, Insightful)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943785)

And yet if you do your history, the Roman Catholic church did (this was before ML).

Catholic priests participating in prostitution is far different from the Roman Catholic Church having a policy approving it. BTW, I wasn't trolling above, I was hoping that someone could supply any support for that argument.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (2, Insightful)

digitig (1056110) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943565)

"allowed" != "endorsed".

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (5, Insightful)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943427)

It's not like legalizing this would lead to the collapse of society... even the Church at one point allowed it.

If by "this" you mean prostitution, rather than the posting of ads, then I venture that the collapse of society isn't the whole issue here.

Does society collapse when a hooker gets beaten up by a weirdo? Does society collapse when a bunch of Chinese girls get brought over in a shipping crate to work in a brothel? Does society collapse when a college girl's boyfriend tells her that if she wants to keep the coke coming she needs to turn a few tricks, and it will only be just once or twice? Or, when these things happen, does society just keep on humming the way it always has and nobody needs to give a damn, yet alone raise a finger?

The problem I have is not with prostitution per se, but with half-assed attempts to decriminalize prostitution that contribute to making the situation worse. There's a lot of human misery involved in the sex trade right now. Maybe legalizing prostitution will do away with all of it -- for the sake of argument, let's assume that it will. But until prostitution is really and honestly legalized, for Craigslist to allow posting of prostitution ads now is to support the sex trade as it exists right now, and I can't say I'm really for that.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (1)

rAiNsT0rm (877553) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943765)

Sorry, but those things have existed forever, and will regardless of any laws or lack thereof. You are always going to have trafficking, weirdos, drug abusers, etc. Your entire argument is bullshit.

Legalize (safely) prostitution as is already being done in NV across the country and watch the impact.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (5, Informative)

Paul Carver (4555) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943827)

Does society collapse when a hooker gets beaten up by a weirdo? Does society collapse when a bunch of Chinese girls get brought over in a shipping crate to work in a brothel? Does society collapse when a college girl's boyfriend tells her that if she wants to keep the coke coming she needs to turn a few tricks, and it will only be just once or twice?

I'm not sure about your Chinese girls in a shipping crate example, I think that's more of a customs issue than anything else. It shouldn't be permitted to ship human beings in a crate regardless of why you're doing it.

As for the hooker getting beat up by a weirdo, if prostitution is legal she would call the cops just like anybody else who got beaten up by a weirdo during the course of their job.

As for the college girl, if her coke was available for a reasonable price at the local pharmacy then it's just her choice whether she has sex for money or gets a job in the dining hall or the student center. If her boyfriend is pressuring her into prostitution she can certainly say no. If he uses force she could just call the cops. If she knows that her prostitution and coke use are perfectly legal why wouldn't she call the cops about her abusive boyfriend. Its the wars on drugs and prostitution that keep her more afraid of the cops than of her abusive boyfriend.

Of course it wouldn't be a bad idea to spend some tax money on offering free rehab clinics for people who want to quit using drugs (or indeed cigarettes or alcohol). You could pay for a heck of a lot of rehab clinics with the money saved by not running the police departments as paramilitary organizations engaged in a permanent war with heavily armed drug dealers.

I personally have no interest in using drugs. I don't like anything stronger than ibuprofen and I'll often just put up with a headache rather than taking a tylenol. But I don't like the government prohibiting people from voluntarily taking whatever drugs they wish. It's one thing if somebody slips something in your drink, then you should be able to press charges and have them thrown in jail. But if you put the pill in your own mouth or the needle in your own arm it's none of the government's damn business.

I say let society collapse! (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943773)

The important question is, where's the afterparty? I'll bring the coke!

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (1)

elthicko (1399175) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943881)

One major problem with this however is kids selling sex over craigslist. I don't know whether they would be doing it with or without craigslist, but it certainly makes it easier for them to advertise and easier for predators to find.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (2, Insightful)

gnick (1211984) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943107)

there is a site where people are telling everyone they are committing a crime, and how to get in touch with them, and they want to shut it down?

Almost. If somebody was posting ads on Craigslist that said, "I will have sex with you at your home in exchange for $150", and the Craigslist admins knew about it and ignored it - There would be a problem. But if somebody advertises "girlfriend services" or "Will come over in a school-girl uniform and talk dirty to you", that's a little different since no illegal activity is actually being advertised - Even though it may be implied. That puts Craigslist in an awkward situation.

I say that they should just encourage Craigslist to screen ads for anything blatantly illegal and use the edgier ads as leads to possibly crack down on criminals (you know... if we want to keep wasting tax $$ busting hookers...)

But you make it sound like Craigslist is engineered for encouraging crime - It's certainly not. But keeping criminal activity out of anything that flexible is going to be damned near impossible.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (4, Informative)

omeomi (675045) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943173)

If somebody was posting ads on Craigslist that said, "I will have sex with you at your home in exchange for $150", and the Craigslist admins knew about it and ignored it - There would be a problem.

Isn't there some sort of legal exclusion for user-generated content? I thought, while the user can be held liable, as long as Craigslist employees aren't doing the posting, they're not legally responsible for content posted by their users? Just like Slashdot wouldn't be liable if I post DeCSS or something along those lines.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (1)

gnick (1211984) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943393)

The sticky point, as I understand it, is the 'and the Craigslist admins knew about it and ignored it' issue. If you don't know it's there, it's fine (although willful negligence I think can still get you in trouble - You know, when you're notified and still turn a blind eye.) But I think that if Craigslist was unaware of and had not been informed of illegal postings, they'd probably be OK.

IANAL.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (5, Funny)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943445)

Lets double check that...

#include<stdlib.h>
typedef unsigned int uint;
char ctb[512]="33733b2663236b763e7e362b6e2e667bd393db0643034b96de9ed60b4e0e4\
69b57175f82c787cf125a1a528fca8ac21fd999d10049094190d898d001480840913d7d35246\
d2d65743c7c34256c2c6475dd9dd5044d0d4594dc9cd4054c0c449559195180c989c11058185\
081c888c011d797df0247074f92da9ad20f4a0a429f53135b86c383cb165e1e568bce8ec61bb\
3f3bba6e3a3ebf6befeb6abeeaee6fb37773f2267276f723a7a322f6a2a627fb9f9b1a0e9a9e\
1f0b8f8b0a1e8a8e0f15d1d5584cd8dc5145c1c5485cc8cc415bdfdb5a4edade5f4bcfcb4a5e\
cace4f539793120692961703878302168286071b7f7bfa2e7a7eff2bafab2afeaaae2ff";
typedef unsigned char uchar;uint tb0[11]={5,0,1,2,3,4,0,1,2,3,4};uchar* F=NULL;
uint lf0,lf1,out;void ReadKey(uchar* key){int i;char hst[3]; hst[2]=0;if(F==\
NULL){F=malloc(256);for(i=0;i<256;i++){hst[0]=ctb[2*i];hst[1]=ctb[2*i+1];F[i]=\
strtol(hst,NULL,16);}}out=0;lf0=(key[1]<<9)|key[0]|0x100;lf1=(key[4]<<16)|(key\
[3]<<8)|key[2];lf1=((lf1&0xfffff8)<<1)|(lf1&0x7)|0x8;}uchar Cipher(int sw1,\
int sw2){int i,a,b,x=0,y=0;for(i=0;i<8;i++){a=((lf0>>2)^(lf0>>16))&1;b=((lf1\
>>12)^(lf1>>20)^(lf1>>21)^(lf1>>24))&1;lf0=(lf0<<1)|a;lf1=(lf1<<1)|b;x=(x>>1)\
|(a<<7);y=(y>>1)|(b<<7);}x^=sw1;y^=sw2;return out=(out>>8)+x+y;} void \
CSSdescramble(uchar *sec,uchar *key){uint i;uchar *end=sec+0x800;uchar KEY[5];
for(i=0;i<5;i++)KEY[i]=key[i]^sec[0x54+i];ReadKey(KEY);sec+=0x80;while(sec!=\
end)*sec++=F[*sec]^Cipher(255,0);}void CSStitlekey1(uchar *key,uchar *im)
{uchar k[5];int i; ReadKey(im);for(i=0;i<5;i++)k[i]=Cipher(0,0);for(i=9;i>=0;\
i--)key[tb0[i+1]]=k[tb0[i+1]]^F[key[tb0[i+1]]]^key[tb0[i]];}void CSStitlekey2\
(uchar *key,uchar *im){uchar k[5];int i;ReadKey(im);for(i=0;i<5;i++)k[i]=\
Cipher(0,255);for(i=9;i>=0;i--)key[tb0[i+1]]=k[tb0[i+1]]^F[key[tb0[i+1]]]^key\
[tb0[i]];}void CSSdecrypttitlekey(uchar *tkey,uchar *dkey){int i;uchar im1[6];
uchar im2[6]={0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0,0x00};for(i=0;i<6;i++)im1[i]=dkey[i];
CSStitlekey1(im1,im2);CSStitlekey2(tkey,im1);}

Um, what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943725)

Someone please translate to slightly less nerd speak.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943535)

Isn't there some sort of legal exclusion for user-generated content? I thought, while the user can be held liable, as long as Craigslist employees aren't doing the posting, they're not legally responsible for content posted by their users?

The issue as I understand it is that the "Erotic Services" section could be construed to be soliciting or facilitating that content.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943799)

Can you tell me where to find this dirty-talking-schoolgirl-uniform-wearing advertiser? She's no longer on Craigslist for some reason...

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943119)

That is what I'd don't understand about law enforcement antipathy to the project.

"Hey guys! There's this site where you can, like, look at pictures of hookers all day, and set up stings, all from the comfort of your desk!" "Wow, we'd better shut that one down." Srsly? Why?

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943189)

We all know how you feel, Churchy McGee. I'm just surprised how quickly you recovered and posted after fainting from reading the word "Erotic".

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943541)

adultfriendfinder.com better watch its back... unless of course, that's what you're looking for...

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (4, Insightful)

DrLang21 (900992) | more than 5 years ago | (#27942973)

They'll probably just move back into the personals ads on Craigslist.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943425)

They'll probably just move back into the personals ads on Craigslist.

That's exactly why they created the Adult section in the first place. Now the Women seeking Men section is going to be overrun until it is useless, just like before.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (4, Funny)

Ambiguous Puzuma (1134017) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943521)

They'll probably just move back into the personals ads on Craigslist.

They've been there all along, even with the availability of erotic services sections. Check ads in the personals sections for phrases like "roses required" or "seeking generous man".

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (1)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943007)

The "authorities" are mainly reacting to the Craigslist killer. They probably know this won't help in the long run, but at least it will look like they're trying. This will also disrupt prostitution temporarily, which is a good thing in their minds.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943017)

Ok time for a list of all post-craigslist sites.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (4, Funny)

CaptainPatent (1087643) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943023)

If there's one thing the authorities should learn it's that you can't win the game of whack-a-mole.

And even if they do win it'll only get them enough tickets for two sparkle stickers or a bouncy ball.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (5, Funny)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943045)

you can't win the game of whack-a-mole.

Actually, I believe I read about that game in one of the "requests for erotic services"...

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (5, Funny)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943093)

Well in that version, you always win.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943059)

Whack-a-mole? The thought of police using big hammers to try to hit things popping up and down into holes related to adult services is just a bit painful to contemplate...

Still a Move in the Right Direction (1)

Bryan Gividen (739949) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943323)

Even though people will always be able to murder, steal, cheat, lie, etc. That does not mean we should consider all efforts to stop illicit activities as fruitless. I am proud of Craigslist for taking a step in the right direction and working to police themselves. Similarly, I'm proud of the authorities for working to enforce the laws that legislatures have passed.

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943813)

yeah, but the cops won't have a place to put their sting ads anymore..

Re:Not like it's going to make a difference (3, Insightful)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943857)

    Actually, there were already quite a few services like Craigslist for escorts before Craigslist got big.

    In many areas, the erotic services section isn't used. I've browsed around it for giggles.

    I've known a few people in the industry (no, not by soliciting their services). Craigslist is generally considered a newbie trashy way to advertise. Good escorts already have better methods.

    And no, I won't post any links. :) Go find them yourselves you pervs.

    By forcing Craigslist to shut down their ads, it's really sent all of those providers off to other means of advertising, which means law enforcement will have to go hunting again. It was a stupid logistics idea. Law enforcement will never stop prostitution, but it looks good to the public to have a decent number of busts. Why kill your easy method of facilitating busts. It's a freakin' list of "we can arrest these people tonight", rather than really hunting them down.

    It'd be like if there was a "Drug Services" section, that crack dealers were listing in. They could brag that they've increased their drug related arrests by 1000%. People will still buy and sell illegal drugs, all they can hope to do is encourage a few people out of the business, and keep the public believing that they're doing all they can do.

    I don't like the idea of going to jail, so I don't deal with any industries that would put me there. I do know people who do though, so I can learn second hand of what happens. If you sit down and listen to some of these people, you'd be amazed at how well thought out some parts are. Then again, other parts are handled stupidly, and those are the people you hear about getting arrested. Some busts are just dumb luck.

Question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27942915)

No doubt Craigslist makes paid...um...encounters safer and more inexpensive while offering a wide variety of choice. Who here has paid for such encounters and how did that work out for you?

Okay, I suppose.... (0, Flamebait)

Itninja (937614) | more than 5 years ago | (#27942923)

...but when will they come to the light and stop using fricking Times New Roman??? Can a brother get some Veranda or Helvetica up in here? See reference material here [pvponline.com] .

Re:Okay, I suppose.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943121)

See, this is what CSS does to people.

Change the font settings in your browser, dumdum.

Re:Okay, I suppose.... (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943169)

Those settings are GLOBAL are they not? I don't want to see the same font on every page. TNR is fine in moderation.

Re:Okay, I suppose.... (1)

jalefkowit (101585) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943699)

Stylish [mozilla.org] is an extension that lets you set up style rules on a per-site basis. Problem solved.

Re:Okay, I suppose.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943219)

or better yet, make it Comic Sans, please. I beg you.

You're doing it wrong (2, Informative)

mattdm (1931) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943385)

They're not using Times New Roman. The CSS [craigslist.org] just asks for "font-family: serif;" and you've apparently got Times New Roman set as your default serif font. If you don't like it, change your browser setting to something you find more appealing, and there you go. In general, sans serif fonts are more immediately legible, but serifed fonts are easier to read in larger blocks of text. Since Craigslist posts are generally short, the site would probably be okay with either, but tending towards serifs for body text is in general a good thing.

Re:You're doing it wrong (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943573)

I am aware of the browser option but I guess my thinking is this: I should not have to tweak default browser settings just to make a web page look like it was designed by someone with at least a passing familiarity of modern web design practices & standards. It's not that I don't like TNR at all; I agree it has its' place. And I am all for substance-over-style websites. It's just that CR has taken that concept to an extreme - a little style would be nice.

Craiglist is a useful site overall (1)

williecdog (858695) | more than 5 years ago | (#27942927)

I'm not sure about saying that print ads are more dangerous than craigslist, but I'd guess they'd be about the same danger as far as I'm concerned. It is a useful site, I'm using it now to see if I can find someone to loan me some WiFi access while I stay with my autistic son in Pittsburgh.

They will find a place (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27942941)

If you are trying to sell something, you'll advertise where you think there is an audience.

The upshot of this is that the romance/dating and other areas will be filled with erotic-services spam.

Rooms-for-rent is already filled with "$1/month for qualified female applicants." If that's not prostitution I don't know what is. Sigh.

AWESOME (2, Funny)

Fantom42 (174630) | more than 5 years ago | (#27942947)

I for one look forward to the drastic improvements this change will effect.
</sarcasm>

Oh man! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27942977)

Where else can I seek out an erotic lesbian gorilla!?

Pick two (3, Funny)

davidwr (791652) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943021)

Erotic, Lesbian, Gorilla: Pick 2.

With apologies to the person who first thought this [wikipedia.org] up.

Re:Pick two (1)

Jeian (409916) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943225)

I consider "erotic" and "gorilla" to be mutually exclusive, but whatever floats your boat.

Re:Oh man! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943103)

Where else can I seek out an erotic lesbian gorilla!?

http://www.state.gov/secretary/

Re:Oh man! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943197)

Hey - she's not erotic!!!

Mounting Legal Pressure? (2, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943009)

Last i heard you had the right to free speech in this country.

If they want to print sex ads to adults, so be it. Don't like sex ads, well don't read those sections.

Re:Mounting Legal Pressure? (2, Informative)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943067)

Dude, it's not a First Amendment issue.

Re:Mounting Legal Pressure? (4, Funny)

gnick (1211984) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943313)

This is all about the First Amendment! Just last month I was arrested for offering to sell cocaine to an undercover cop - I never even sold him the drugs! And when I offered him pictures of naked underage boys and girls if he'd let me go - Things only got worse!

Blatant violation of my right to free speech. If this keeps up, I'll shoot the president.

[Special note to the Secret Service - This was an attempt at sarcasm/humor. Please don't kill me.]

Re:Mounting Legal Pressure? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943551)

We won't be killing you, but if you succumb to waterboarding, then, as Sith Cheney says, "Whatevs! Talk to the hand!"

Sincerely,

Your friendly local Secret Service

Re:Mounting Legal Pressure? (1)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943557)

I see how you think you're making a point, but honestly, why should saying these things be illegal? Because it conflicts with some authority's opinions on certain matters? Too freakin bad, preventing some authority's opinion on influencing the thoughts and speech of the populace at large is the entire point of the first amendment.

Re:Mounting Legal Pressure? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943685)

The hell its not.

Re:Mounting Legal Pressure? (1)

stevenvi (779021) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943137)

Last i heard you had the right to free speech in this country.

What country are you referring to? Consider if a hitman were advertising his services. What he does is also illegal (though admittedly can cause more damage depending on how you look at it). Is that allowed where you come from?

Re:Mounting Legal Pressure? (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943591)

You sure do (or are supposed to).

Free speech means being able to stand on the White House lawn and announce that you're about to rape the president with a C4 dildo.

Free speech stops anyone from forcing you to stop your announcements, and prevents them from arresting/convicting you based on what you said (with a lack of you actually having DONE anything).

Free speech doesn't prevent you from being stopped and checked for weapons.

If your speech itself causes demonstrable harm (libel, slander), then you can be forced to cough up for the damages. Free speech means you can walk out of the court house spewing the same libel and slander that you just got sued over.

As you can see - we do NOT have free speech in this country, despite the fact that we are supposed to.

Profits (1)

Malenx (1453851) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943013)

I wonder how much Craigs has made off allowing those postings compared to how much they've lost from people no longer using Craigs due to said content?

Re:Profits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943361)

Probably nothing, as I don't see any source of income whatsoever on that site to begin with. No advertising, and no fees to buy or sell in the first place...

Re:Profits (1)

gnick (1211984) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943679)

Not all ads are free. For example, posting for jobs in San Francisco is $75 - $25 in certain other large cities. Apartment posts are $10 for NYC.

Erotic service fees cost $5 anywhere in the US.

See here: http://www.craigslist.org/about/help/posting_fees [craigslist.org]

Re:Profits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943489)

Uh, since the vast majority of ads on craigslist are free, the answer to both question is most likely "zero".

Answer to Profits (1)

sampson7 (536545) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943659)

Craigslist has a long standing tradition of donating all revenues earned through the Erotic Services section to worthwhile charities, dealing mostly with domestic abuse and other charities that provide services to women or prostitutes. Currently, CL charges $5 per post in the Erotic Service section.

In fact, all of this information is listed on the Erotic Services homepage....

which.... I've heard about. From someone else. In passing. No, I don't remember his name.

Good (3, Funny)

sunking2 (521698) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943015)

I much prefer the good old days where they would hang out in all the hotel bars looking for a John. Craiglist is too much work.

What is the best place to find a hooker online? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943019)

I know somebody here knows the answer to this:

What is the best place to find a hooker online?

The best place to find a hooker online (5, Funny)

davidwr (791652) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943167)

I am Mrs Melissa Pointy the wife of Mr Harry Pointy, my husband worked with the Chevron/Texaco in Kenya for twenty years before he lost the use of his penis due to an industrial accident in the year 2001. We have been married for ten years without a child. He is the second son of the late John Pointer, who was a Nigerian Prince. His father left him the sum of $3.5 MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS but he cannot collect until he has a child.

If you would be so kind as to have sex with me until I conceive I will pay you a 10% gratuity for your troubles.

To obtain tickets to Nigeria please contact me so I can have my attorney send you instructions to buy airline tickets and pay for lodging.

As soon as I receive your reply I shall give you the contact of my attorney who is in Europe as he will be the one to assist you this endeavor.

Your's Truly,
MRS.Melissa Pointer.

Re:The best place to find a hooker online (1)

MiniMike (234881) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943545)

Well, people who respond to those ads do usually get screwed...

Re:What is the best place to find a hooker online? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943171)

I know somebody here knows the answer to this:

What is the best place to find a hooker online?

Do you have a wife or a daughter?

Re:What is the best place to find a hooker online? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943269)

The Erotic Review

Re:What is the best place to find a hooker online? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943617)

How dare Slashdot censor the link you provided! Well, let's see how fast CowboyNeal is. Here's the link again:

one word... splat! (4, Insightful)

skathe (1504519) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943033)

What's really going to suck is when all those ads start showing up in other sections of craigslist, cluttering it even futher. They actually made the problem worse. Whack-a-mole, yes, but in this case, after you whacked the mole, it just splattered all over the place and it's even more of a mess than it was before. At least with the "Erotic Services" section, the problem was condensed and confined to one single section, at least for the most part.

Re:one word... splat! (1)

camken (568412) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943417)

What's really going to suck is when all those ads start showing up in other sections of craigslist, cluttering it even futher. They actually made the problem worse. Whack-a-mole, yes, but in this case, after you whacked the mole, it just splattered all over the place and it's even more of a mess than it was before. At least with the "Erotic Services" section, the problem was condensed and confined to one single section, at least for the most part.

that is the very reason the "erotic services" section was put in place in the beginning. users were tired of seeing the adverts when all they were after was some "normal" (non-paid-for) encounters with "normal" (define as you see fit) people.

now it's just going to go back to the way it was. woo! score one for the average craigslist user!

word choice fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943047)

LOL, summary says that legal pressure is "mounting" the Erotic Services section. Excellent word choice, subbie!

The Onion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943079)

Did the the onion predict this? Just last week they where making fun of this part of their website.

I have new interest in Craigslist Adult (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943097)

Earlier, I was not interested in using Craigslist's adult services. But now that I know that they will all be manually reviewed and that my chances of getting into legal trouble will be less... I think I might just go for it! Hooking up with other adults outside of wedlock to engage in sexual congress! It sounds like such a better idea now!

Congrats, puritans. Your legislation has dragged me down to the red light district! It hadn't even crossed my geeky mind before!

Congress? (1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943239)

sexual congress

If you read the news from Washington, it's more like sexual Congress.

Hookers use cell phones too (5, Insightful)

Absolut187 (816431) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943195)

Lets force sprint to monitor all calls.

If you're too lazy to stop the crime, just stop the communication.

You would think that police departments would LOVE craigslist.
The criminals are actually posting their photos on the web.
Could they make your job any easier???

Migration of Pornography (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943213)

From CNN:

Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal said state agencies will keep a close eye on the Web site and others "to make sure prostitution and pornography do not migrate and move elsewhere."
"We will be monitoring closely to make sure that this measure is more than a name change from 'erotic' to 'adult' and that the manual blocking is tough and effective to scrub prostitution and pornography," he said.

I fear it has already migrated. I just saw pornography on another Web site. I am wondering if Mr. Blumenthal wants to be kept up to date about sightings of pornography elsewhere on the Web. Should I be trying to help by sending URLs to his office?

Government Lawsuits (1)

cromar (1103585) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943319)

I wonder if this has anything to do with my state government, along with two other states, threatening to sue [columbiatribune.com] Craiglist if they didn't start screening that section of the site. For the life of me, I can't understand why that is a better solution than prostitutes advertising their services in public. Wouldn't it be really easy to set up a sting for people who are basically advertising their willingness to provide paid sex services? I mean, they're right there practically donning bull's-eyes!

Re:Government Lawsuits (3, Interesting)

afabbro (33948) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943423)

The police in various districts have done CL stings repeatedly. Seems like here in Portland it's in the news every 3 months or so...cops rent a hotel room and answer ads, girls are busted. Or vice versa. It apparently hasn't shut this down. Police have been busting streetwalkers for years and yet you still see them on the corners of major cities...

CL switched to requiring phone verification for this category of ads. Then they started charging $5 to list. And now they're dropping it altogether.

I would think this was all business-driven - an evaluation that the hassle costs more than the revenue - but CL has no revenue. In fact, I don't think CL has any actual business model....it's just free ads for whoever wants them. You're probably right that it's the lawsuit threats that are driving them out of this.

Re:Government Lawsuits (2, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943511)

Actually, a lot of Attorney General's are doing the same thing [wyff4.com] . It appears that there are quite a few AG's out there prepping for their gubernatorial runs.

Justification (5, Insightful)

Bruce Perens (3872) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943395)

I don't think this is going to have any serious effect on Craigslist. They are just changing the name of the service and putting reviewers in place.

We should look at why these sorts of services run into trouble with the law. The reasons run from good to terrible.

  • These ads lead to exploitation of children by pimps? If so, good reason.
  • These ads lead to exploitation of women by pimps? I had heard the internet had largely done away with pimps because sex workers can market themselves. Is that so?
  • These ads lead to murder and mayhem. But then again, that has been happening with Craigslist used-car ads - what better way to lure a victim to bring a roll of cash?
  • These ads lead to disease?
  • A supernatural being postulated by your religion has given you rules about sex that you feel should apply to everyone. Bad reason.

Re:Justification (2, Insightful)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943645)

Protecting people from themselves is always a terrible reason, and that's all this boils down to no matter how many times people wanna get all "think of the children."

You'd think the whole prohibition mess would have taught the puritanical moral high-ground people how well banning things works. Guess the real whack-a-mole game is trying to hammer the lesson into the nanny-stater head.

Meanwhile, if the law manages to shut down every prostitution ad on the web, they'll just go back to the streets. Good job! I miss walking through a sea of hookers on the way to the train station.

Re:Justification (3, Insightful)

Bruce Perens (3872) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943889)

Rather than think of it as protecting people from themselves, think of it as protecting the weak from the powerful. Women are in some cases subjugated by men. And then there's the whole poverty, addiction, prostitution cycle.

All of that said, some of the reason we're running into this is because of problems that society isn't willing to handle. You can start with the horribly bungled handling of poverty in the U.S., which seems to have been designed to promote bad social values and create a perpetual client class.

Re:Justification (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27943695)

I don't think this is going to have any serious effect on Craigslist. They are just changing the name of the service and putting reviewers in place.

so we can rate them now?

Re:Justification (5, Funny)

Joe Jay Bee (1151309) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943819)

Like on eBay? "A++++ EXCELLENT HOOKER WOULD FUCK AGAIN"

(filterfilterfilterfuckingfilterlesscapsmycolonblahdeblah)

Too bad the very same erotic services ads (2, Insightful)

FlyingSquidStudios (1031284) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943451)

are in every single free weekly paper in the entire country.

Doesn't this open them up to liability and suits? (4, Insightful)

Bellegante (1519683) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943481)

Before, craigslist could easily claim they were not responsible for content, and that has been the line for quite some time. Now they are going to -manually- review every entry in a particular section? That seems insane to me. They are giving up the most important protection that they have, for no gain at all and a lot of extra work.

Traceability is added... No thanks (2, Interesting)

rAiNsT0rm (877553) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943595)

Not that I use this section, but you can guarantee that it will now be tracked, logged, and monitored as well as happily turned over to law enforcement if/when requested. No Thanks.

For me personally Craigslist caving in here has ended my use of the site. I can only hope enough others do as well and make their voice heard.

What am I going to do now? (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943627)

In the good ol' days, when an ex really pissed you off, you could always place an ad for her "services" on craiglist, causing her to be unendated night and day with phone calls from drunk, horny men. Now what am I going to do when these bitches piss me off? ;-)

Fun on Craigslist! (2, Interesting)

erroneus (253617) | more than 5 years ago | (#27943629)

Prostitutes and other advertisers have no respect for boundaries or appropriateness. Just let that settle into your mind and stop getting angry and frustrated. You will not un-corrupt humanity.

But fun on Craigslist! Yes! Go to the various "personals" and "casual encounters" areas for your area and just search through the ones with pictures. Okay, you might need a strong stomach for some of them, but you might ALSO find people you know or knew or work with! How awesome is that? Suddenly people WILL lend you money again!

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