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3D Realms Sued Over Failed Duke Nukem Forever Plans

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the ponzi-would-be-proud dept.

The Courts 180

Take-Two Interactive has now sued 3D Realms over the cancellation of Duke Nukem Forever . Take-Two did not provide continuous funding for the game, but they did pay $12 million for the publishing rights to the game. A Bloomberg report quotes Take-Two's complaint as saying that 3D Realms "continually delayed the completion date" and "repeatedly assured Take-Two and the video-gaming community that it was diligently working toward competing development of the PC Version" of the game. (The complaint refers to 3D Realms as part of Apogee Software, Ltd., not to be confused with Apogee Software, LLC, the publisher behind the still-forthcoming Duke Nukem Trilogy.)

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They might have a case (4, Insightful)

VShael (62735) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964155)

but they'll never see 12 million dollars out of it.

Duke !!!! What did you expect but a turd !!!? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27964179)

It's in the name for crying out loud !!!

Re:They might have a case (5, Interesting)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964215)

They might get the current build of the game, though.

I sure know which out of the two I'd want if I was Take Two!

Re:They might have a case (5, Funny)

discord5 (798235) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964423)

They might get the current build of the game, though.

2 DVDs filled with videos of strippers for reference material, 1 CD-ROM containing training for weapons and explosives, 20 sci-fi magazines about aliens, 1 small "cheezy phrase" booklet, 30 artist sketches of what the monsters would look like, and 1 bag of tepid air to be used for marketing.

I sure know which out of the two I'd want if I was Take Two!

Those two DVDs seem to be interesting, and you never know when you need a bag of tepid air.

Re:They might have a case (4, Funny)

Minwee (522556) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965171)

And don't forget the most important part, a DVD collection of every movie or TV show Bruce Campbell [wiw.org] ever made.

Re:They might have a case (1)

Vohar (1344259) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965289)

And don't forget the most important part, a DVD collection of every movie or TV show Bruce Campbell [wiw.org] ever made.

Hah, so true. I think the real reason for delays was the lack of a new Army of Darkness for them to quote.

Re:They might have a case (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27965383)

The Collector's Edition is said to replace the bag of tepid air with a container of smoke and a short length of garden hose...

Re:They might have a case (5, Funny)

damien_kane (519267) | more than 5 years ago | (#27966111)

The Collector's Edition is said to replace the bag of tepid air with a container of smoke and a short length of garden hose...

The container, of course, being in the form of a suppository...

Re:They might have a case (4, Funny)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964443)

They might get the current build of the game, though.

Unfortunately, the current build only runs on GNU Hurd . . .

Re:They might have a case (5, Funny)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964479)

Then it's the only software that ever did, and should be preserved for historical reference. Oh, dear, that kernel was useless.

Re:They might have a case (2, Funny)

ta bu shi da yu (687699) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964917)

What, you actually had a chance to use it? Someone preserve this man's brain for posterity!

Re:They might have a case (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27967133)

Heck for this game, it might be worth building the VM that the OS can run on.

Re:They might have a case (1)

boaworm (180781) | more than 5 years ago | (#27966273)

They might get the current build of the game, though.

I sure know which out of the two I'd want if I was Take Two!

12 million dollars, or vaporware?

Hm, which one to pick?...

Re:They might have a case (5, Funny)

JeffSpudrinski (1310127) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964471)

This is a relief.

I was afraid that the most famous vaporware in the history of computing was about to really evaporate. Now that this is going on, this should keep hopes alive for at least another five years.

-JJS

Re:They might have a case (1)

N3Roaster (888781) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965637)

Remember that story about how Don Knuth decided to take a year off to write TeX and finished 11 years later? Well I think it's safe to say based on this that DNF is going to be awesome.

Re:They might have a case (2, Interesting)

BobMcD (601576) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965641)

but they'll never see 12 million dollars out of it.

Could they possibly write all that off, though, as a bad debt?

I'm still holding out hope.. (5, Funny)

VMaN (164134) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964161)

.. that this ugly business is all a hoax, and they are preparing to release it, but that's probably just me in denial :(

Re:I'm still holding out hope.. (1)

theY4Kman (1519023) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964247)

It's true. Alan Abel is actually the majority stockholder of 3D Realms.

Re:I'm still holding out hope.. (1)

phunhippy (86447) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964257)

yes releasing it very soon.. very very soooonn

LOL Obama backpedals on release of Gitmo pics (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27964287)

Typical liberal - all noise and moral mush, but doesn't have the chops to follow through when he's under fire. You know what your problem is, liberals? You elected another liberal! LOL! There is no one among you who actually has a spine and a pair of balls. You are all a bunch of whiny, effeminate, self-absorbed, anti-depressant-popping douchebags. America hates you. You have a disease whose only cure is a very public and very spectacular suicide. Think hanging yourself from the railing of the Eiffel Tower with piano wire...

Re:LOL Obama backpedals on release of Gitmo pics (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27967087)

hahahahahahahha. The fact he is pissing off uppity conservative jackasses like yourself is the reason I voted for him. America does not "hate us". America hated what the last 8 years of Bush represented, and we had the spine and pair of balls to demand change. And guess who won? So get over it you loser. You party has dried up like a little white poodle poop in the yard.

Re:I'm still holding out hope.. (5, Funny)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964767)

I was with Duke for twelve years, Dr. Hirnficker. We always made plans to go out at nights, but he always had to work late every night. I know kicking alien scumbag asses is a tough job, but every night?

One day I found a receipt on the floor; it must have fallen out of his wallet. When I read the "new models" and "better engines" line items, I suspected that his staying late on the job wasn't really for more work. I think he was flirting with other technology.

But despite what you say, Duke never laid a hand on me, I swear. The bruises are just from walking into doorknobs and cupboard handles. Really, Dr., it's true! Duke was always good to me. He was always my friend, my love and my soulmate. We were meant to be together. Forever.

Can we be sure now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27964165)

... that DNF will never be a reality?

The expectation was killin me, it's like a girlfriend that always teases but never puts out.

Re:Can we be sure now... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27964331)

Your girlfriend puts out. Just not for you.

Re:Can we be sure now... (-1, Redundant)

Option1 (572066) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964387)

In the world of sports, DNF = Did Not Finish. Apt?

Neil

Re:Can we be sure now... (1, Flamebait)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964669)

The expectation was killin me, it's like a girlfriend that always teases but never puts out.

Just to clarify, that's not a girlfriend, and she's not teasing... It's a girl who doesn't like you that much and is trying not to hurt your feelings.

Re:Can we be sure now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27964891)

Who was the bimbo gold digger who flagged this flamebait?

Re:Can we be sure now... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27966289)

It was me.

Re:Can we be sure now... (3, Funny)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 5 years ago | (#27967523)

Spartacus?

take2 (1)

muckracer (1204794) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964167)

Perhaps they have a point: Can't Fukem Forever. What they'll get though is questionable. At best the current code which might open up the possibility of continuation of development.

Re:take2 (1)

oliderid (710055) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964457)

There were certainly bad project managers at 3D realms but there were also pretty bad investors behind. Who would invest $12 million in such a never ending project?

Re:take2 (3, Interesting)

LUH 3418 (1429407) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964589)

The project was started somewhere after the completion of the Duke Nukem 3D game (1996-1997). That game was pretty successful, and so 3D Realms looked like it might be worth investing in. I'm guessing Take Two didn't invest all that money in 2009.

Furthermore, 3D Realms released some rather credible video trailers for the game, once in 1998, and again in 2001:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88F0J70ZkeM [youtube.com] (1998)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKcxL4PmXfA [youtube.com] (2001)

So clearly, even going as far as 2002, you could still believe 3D Realms was going to release *something* eventually...

so where's the money going to come from? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27964193)

surely 3D Realms don't have any financial assets left after going bust ..?

Re:so where's the money going to come from? (5, Insightful)

Dissman (997434) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964543)

They have the Duke Nukem Intellectual Property, as well as whatever other games 3d Realms has produced over the years. Winning that in court would allow them to produce games, as well as movies or anything else. In the long term, it could be worth well north of the 12 million.

Re:so where's the money going to come from? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27967129)

So 12 million Canadian then?

Oblig. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27964209)

It's time to sue everyone and chew bubble gum... and I'm all outta gum!

Hope (4, Insightful)

Lord Lode (1290856) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964251)

I really, really, hope that the current work of DnF is not lost. That all the data, code, levels, ..., are going to be released somewhere. Or better, finished into a playable state.

Isn't it possible to find a different developer that can take it over?

Re:Hope (1)

portalcake625 (1488239) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964283)

You're on Slashdot. There's Sourceforge.net. But T2 might not give the code, hee hee.

Re:Hope (3, Insightful)

writermike (57327) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964291)

I really, really, hope that the current work of DnF is not lost. That all the data, code, levels, ..., are going to be released somewhere. Or better, finished into a playable state.

Isn't it possible to find a different developer that can take it over?

I'm wondering if there is any code. I think all we've seen up to this point is some nicely rendered scenes, but are they in-game?

Ah, cynicism.

Re:Hope (1)

Jesterace (914041) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964309)

Very true, since this has been likely the king of vaporware.

Re:Hope (3, Informative)

WMD_88 (843388) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964363)

A gameplay video leaked a day or two after 3DR announced the closing.

Re:Hope (5, Informative)

Stand for something (1361469) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964525)

Re:Hope (3, Interesting)

Purity Of Essence (1007601) | more than 5 years ago | (#27966329)

And Jace Hall played it last year and said we wouldn't be disappointed. Bastard.

Jae Hall, Ep 1: Duke Nukem Forever [crackle.com]

Includes interview with George Broussard and Scott Miller of 3D Realms.

Re:Hope (2, Informative)

FreonTrip (694097) | more than 5 years ago | (#27966741)

Having seen a build of the game run a while back, I can confirm that it's real. If it was ever going to be released it would be a fun game with a LOT of personality. :)

Re:Hope (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964445)

If 3DR has gone bust, then presumably all the IP is just sitting around and will be acquired by another company. Unlike most games companies that fold, it doesn't seem 3DR was up to its neck in debt or anything like that, so it won't be handed over to some cold-hearted administrators and will more likely than not get snapped up by a rival.

Re:Hope (2, Insightful)

mxs (42717) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964515)

You are, of course, assuming that "all the data, code, levels" actually exist. It does not take much cynicism to believe otherwise.

Re:Hope (1)

The Moof (859402) | more than 5 years ago | (#27966055)

Given the amount of "leaked" footage we've been seeing the past week or so, I'd say that there's at least something there. 2 years ago, I'd be right with you that there was never actually any DNF game, but not so much recently.

Re:Hope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27964585)

Look what happened to Falcon 4 after years of development and being released in a buggy state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_4.0#History

This kind of scenario (without the Atari lawsuit) is probably the best thing that could happen to DNF.

And in response... (5, Funny)

hyades1 (1149581) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964315)

3D Realms threw a handful of bills at Take Two Interactive's bitch lawyers and said, "Wanna dance?"

Re:And in response... (5, Funny)

Sanguis Mortuum (581999) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964741)

Shake it baby

Underpants distribution contract (3, Funny)

ipX (197591) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964339)

Dear sirs, I hear the underpants gnomes have some distribution rights for sale... I'd be happy to negotiate a deal on their behalf with Take-Two.

Settlement Incoming in... (1)

DenaliPrime (6153) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964345)

3...2...1...

Forever indeed (3, Interesting)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964359)

This story simply refuses to die, much to the enjoyment of gamers everywhere. I guess it's reasonable for us to get some schadenfreude mileage out of it, considering we've been fed the same when it's ready line for 12 years now...

Re:Forever indeed (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27964649)

Don't you get it? The story is the game, and it will last *forever*.

Ah, Duke Nukem Forever! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27964365)

You're just the gift that keeps on not giving, aren't you?

How good would it have to be? (1)

DomDulley (1264720) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964411)

If DnF is ever released how good will it have to be to live up to 12 years of expectation? Of course it will make mint regardless, so I guess it doesn't really matter.

Re:How good would it have to be? (2, Insightful)

Amouth (879122) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964493)

honestly if it is like the video's they released acouple days ago.. i think it will be a good hit

Re:How good would it have to be? (1)

scubamage (727538) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964971)

Agreed, the videos look freaking amazing. Shooting a bad guy, when he staggers climbing up on his back, ripping off his horn and stabbing him in the face with it? Then celebrating with a topless stripper?

Oh yeah, that's good clean American fun right there. I hope that it does get released, even if its just all the current code/models/etc as open source. After 12 years they owe the gaming world SOMETHING.

Re:How good would it have to be? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27967085)

Shooting a bad guy, when he staggers climbing up on his back, ripping off his horn and stabbing him in the face with it?

Cutscene, not gameplay.. and therefore worthless.

Re:How good would it have to be? (1)

wild_quinine (998562) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965069)

If DnF is ever released how good will it have to be to live up to 12 years of expectation? Of course it will make mint regardless, so I guess it doesn't really matter.

I used to worry about that, too. But these days, I'd settle for better than the competition - and frankly it probably already is.

It can't be about the money (5, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964417)

3D Realms don't have $12 million. If they did they wouldn't have gone belly up. A game developer has virtually no tangible assets. Computers will add up to the tens of thousands at most, devkits are owned by the console manufacturers, offices are leased. The IP is typically not going to have anyone wanting to buy it.

The only exception to that last point is Take Two. They have a vested interest in making this game a reality. Presumably the point to this is that they become creditors and so will have a claim on the aspects of DNF that have been completed.

Re:It can't be about the money (1)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965335)

But getting rights to finish developing the DNF game could be worth more. Currently, the name alone, would sell like hotcakes. Not to mention, I would venture a guess that some fans would purchase to support the franchise, to make sure it continues.

In other words, duke in take two's hands is the best thing that could happen to both take two, and the fans, at this point.

Re:It can't be about the money (4, Insightful)

Miltazar (1100457) | more than 5 years ago | (#27966777)

It's not about money. Take 2 did agree(albeit verbally) to give 3DR $5 million. However they later decided not to, and instead to pay 3DR $30 million if they sold the IP to Take 2. They declined, and thus closed.

I think this is another attempt to get Duke Nukem. They sue them for money which they don't have, and instead demand that they be given the rights to Duke Nukem.

Rather than suing.. (5, Funny)

Idaho (12907) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964449)

...they should just go to the 3D Realms headquarters, rip their heads off and shit down their neck.

Re:Rather than suing.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27964615)

This is, of course, a viable alternative to suing.

Re:Rather than suing.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27965121)

They have to take off and nuke 3D realms headquarters from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Know what woulda helped 3D Realms stay in business (0, Redundant)

uxbn_kuribo (1146975) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964491)

If they had actually released a game or two in the last 13 years. :(

Re:Know what woulda helped 3D Realms stay in busin (4, Funny)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964571)

They'll go into their bankruptcy when it's ready!

Re:Know what woulda helped 3D Realms stay in busin (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27964813)

Yeah, they could have released, say, Max Payne games in 2001 and 2003, and Prey in 2006?

Oh wait, they did. You fail it.

Re:Know what woulda helped 3D Realms stay in busin (4, Informative)

The Moof (859402) | more than 5 years ago | (#27966227)

Ah, Prey. Almost as vaporware as DNF was until I actually saw it come out. FYI, Prey was "in development" for 11 years [wikipedia.org] . So this really poor management thing seems to be a recurring problem with 3D Realms.

Larger tactic (1)

downix (84795) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964553)

One common outcome in such situations is that the Distributor winds up with full development rights to the game, which they can then shop around to another party for completion.

"No" to a buyout -- Lawsuit? (4, Interesting)

soupforare (542403) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964555)

I wonder if they're bringing this suit to try to scare GB into handing over all Duke IP. This comes awfully soon after their offer to purchase it outright for $30M.

Re:"No" to a buyout -- Lawsuit? (4, Insightful)

Nick Ives (317) | more than 5 years ago | (#27966873)

T2 did not offer to buy it for $30m. They offered 3DR $5m for continued development if they handed over all the rights in return and said if 3DR didn't like it they could get the publishing rights back if they paid them $30m, meaning any other publisher would have to come up with $35m to see the game finished.

This is clearly a tactical move by T2 to acquire the Duke rights.

12 million!? (5, Insightful)

happy_place (632005) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964587)

Dang! Someone give me 12 million dollars to simply MAKE a game, and I could get it done in ten years. By myself... Finding it hard to have pity for 3D Realms...

Re:12 million!? (2, Insightful)

jsnipy (913480) | more than 5 years ago | (#27964723)

But in ten years how relevant would it be? inb4halflife2 inb4teamfortress2 inb4starcraft2

Re:12 million!? (3, Insightful)

owlstead (636356) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965169)

Not possible anymore (for a while now). Look at the credits of any major 3D action game. You are going to do that all on your own? Good luck with that. Maybe you can do an initial version of Wolfenstein (2.5D) on your own, anything requiring more game code and/or graphics is off limits for a single developer.

Re:12 million!? (1)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965371)

Dude, seriously, I just pull up the build engine, and I can put together 50 levels in like.. 3 weeks. So seriously.. what's the deal?

...that is all there is to it, right?? /sarcasm

Re:12 million!? (2, Insightful)

MoldySpore (1280634) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965461)

All that work by yourself in a respectable amount of time? No.

All that work in 10+ years? It's at least POSSIBLE. You'd think with a handful of people (like 3-5) you'd be able to do it in 3-5 years. Look at all the indy developed games out there: most of them have teams smaller than 10 people. 3D Realms had 10 years and barely had a trailer out for us to watch. Granted the leaked footage shown recently shows a game that is a bit more finished than even I thought was done, but still...I don't think it is out of the question. 10 years is a long time.

Re:12 million!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27965615)

World of Goo was made by two people. Braid by one (granted, one rich guy, and he paid for the art).

I'd rather play either of those than Duke Nukem Forever.

Re:12 million!? (1)

MoldySpore (1280634) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965403)

I think everyone is having a hard time finding any pity for 3D Realms. Honestly, how could there be? After dragging the community (and Take Two) along for so long, while poking fun and EMBRACING the fact that nobody thought it was going to come out and laughing at the fact that people called it vaporware, they then went out of business?

Really, no words can put into perspective the amount of irony in play here. While I laughed when I saw 3D Realms was going under, I also was really pissed, considering all the leaked footage and little "trailers" they used to tease us the last few years.

I hope that somehow, Take Two get's their money along with every last scrap of code and data for DNF and shops it to a RESPECTABLE company that will, no doubt, be able to crank out the game in a years time, tops. As long as I get my Duke, i'll be satisfied with whatever outcome comes to pass. I think everyone is at that point now too.

Re:12 million!? (1)

deathguppie (768263) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965785)

I would love to hear this story from someone on the inside. I can't imagine that you pilfer away $12m and nothing happens. I know they must have had numerous redo's but to not produce anything for a million dollars a year in production is just unthinkable!

Re:12 million!? (1)

Zebedeu (739988) | more than 5 years ago | (#27966481)

I also find it hard to have pity for Take-Two interactive.

"Here's 12 Million. Sure, no problem that you have no real work plan. Take your time, we won't even check on you until it's ready."

It's all fun and video games... (1)

Spikeman56 (543509) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965039)

until someone gets sued.

...that's how it goes, right?

This is way better than the game could ever be. (2, Insightful)

Garbad Ropedink (1542973) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965055)

Honestly. I'm not so disappointed about the game being turfed now with all this great news about the horrendous clusterfuck the entire production was. It's more interesting just to read about how this train wreck went down. Much much better than if 3Drealms just said 'welp, we've decided to cancel production and move onto something else'.
Least in this scenario fans are getting *something* entertaining in an abstract sense.

Anyone else think they are bit late with this? (1)

tiggertaebo (1480739) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965261)

Horse Bolted. Gate Shut

I can see why they are angry.. I can even see why they might want to sue but aren't they leaving a bit late? 3DR has already gone bankrupt, so they unlikely to be able to pay them any substantial cash anyway.

The whole DNF failure is largely 3DR's fault - they were the guys with their fingers on the keys, but Take Two have got to accept some responsibility for letting them get away with consistently failing to produce the goods for such a long time - I mean a few delays are to be expected in any project of this size but surely t some point you've got to get the distinct impression that all is not well. And I would have thought that would have been, y'know - in less than twelve years. Surely if nothing else the continual industry ridicule must have been a small clue?

Re:Anyone else think they are bit late with this? (0, Flamebait)

bhxob (1144819) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965299)

"Take Two needs to STFU imo."

Re:Anyone else think they are bit late with this? (1)

Jae686 (1203100) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965777)

They may not have money, but the Duke Nukem IP must be worth alot.....

Re:Anyone else think they are bit late with this? (3, Funny)

telchine (719345) | more than 5 years ago | (#27966371)

They may not have money, but the Duke Nukem IP must be worth alot.....

It's worth as much as my seaside villa in Afghanistan.

They'll bury this in a lunchbox (1)

Captain Spam (66120) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965323)

And amidst all the chaos and all the horror that is the closing of 3D Realms, I'm left with one cruel, cruel realization: This really DOES mean we'll never see a proper sequel to Rise of the Triad. *sigh*

Re:They'll bury this in a lunchbox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27966981)

Ah, but ROTT was developed by Apogee. Scott is still running that arm of the company, so hold on to your hope!

Re:They'll bury this in a lunchbox (1)

Captain Spam (66120) | more than 5 years ago | (#27967407)

Shame Joe was the only one who cared about ROTT, though... :-)

Re:They'll bury this in a lunchbox (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 5 years ago | (#27967153)

Why do you need a sequel? There's thousands of fan-made maps out there you can go out and play, after all.

A sequel might well turn out to be a really good game also but with all the updated graphics and suchlike, it wouldn't be the *same* as original ROTT - in the same way the DNF wouldn't have been the *same* as Duke3D.

Got you know, Nukem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27965493)

... And we're gonna fry your ass!

*Jaw Hits Floor* (4, Funny)

Rary (566291) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965579)

What?!?!? You mean to tell me that there is someone in the world who not only actually believed that DNF would be finished someday, but they believe it so strongly that they were willing to invest $12 million into it?!?!?

Where do I meet these people? I can "build" far bigger and better vapourware than DNF for half that price! Please, give me a call.

Re:*Jaw Hits Floor* (5, Insightful)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 5 years ago | (#27966453)

You mean to tell me that there is someone in the world who not only actually believed that DNF would be finished someday, but they believe it so strongly that they were willing to invest $12 million into it?!?!?

They paid that money 9 years ago. Yeah, most people believed the game might be someday finished 9 years ago. Even 7 years ago it was "soon". 5 years ago it was "gotta be sometime in the next couple of years". 3 years ago it was "are they actually still working on it?"

Re:*Jaw Hits Floor* (1)

Rary (566291) | more than 5 years ago | (#27966897)

They paid that money 9 years ago.

Ah, good point. I hadn't considered that.

Nine years ago, I thought DNF would arrive someday. By 7 years ago I think I was pretty skeptical, and 5 years ago I figured it was all just a big joke.

Re:*Jaw Hits Floor* (2, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#27967205)

4 years ago I started wondering why their investors didn't sue for obvious fraud. Guess they finally did.

Really? (1)

Drone69 (1517261) | more than 5 years ago | (#27965827)

I was always under the impression that DNF was some inside joke and never was actually going to be made. I'd thought Take2 was in on it but it appears they did not get the memo. The gaming public should be sueing both parties for empty promises and an excruciatingly long hype machine.

This is were suing makes sense (3, Insightful)

CHK6 (583097) | more than 5 years ago | (#27967157)

Hopefully in the suit, this forces 3DRealms hand to over the Duke Nukem Forever IP rights, so Take2 can finalize the the product and release the game in hope to recoup the funds lost in the investment.

It's sad for 3DRealms if they have lost their rights to their flag ship IP because they have no more funds, but they were milking the cow for way to long and this is business. Eventually you have to provide a product and not feel strung along. In this case I think Take2 patiently waited through the good economic times, and now it was time for them to recoup their investment.

Also their is no light on what the secondary funds were from Take2 to 3DR. 12 years is an insanely long development time. And if 3DR's funds dried up and the close up shop, then Take2 has to sue!

This isn't as cut and dry as you think. (4, Informative)

shineyboy (840750) | more than 5 years ago | (#27967357)

What most people don't realize is that Take 2 NEVER paid 3D Realms directly for development on DNF. 3D Realms self-funded ALL 12 years of development. The money they're suing them for was for publishing rights purchased from GT Interactive and Infogrames several years ago. This is completely separate from 3D Realms.

Most people assume this is a typical publisher-developer relationship, but it's not. Take2 doesn't own the rights to the game or any of the content in it... only the rights to publish it whenever it's done. 3D Realms ran out of money, asked them for some, were denied, and had to close down for lack of funds and all their employees are now looking for new employment in a horrific economy.

It's a shame 3DR couldn't have gotten it together sooner.

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