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Interview With UIzard Creator Ryu Sunt-tae

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 4 years ago | from the js-library-grudge-match-in-3-2-1 dept.

Programming 73

volume4 writes "A couple of days ago, the folks over at Ajaxian introduced the world to UIzard, an awesome creation by a Korean developer using YUI. There is actually a heck of a lot more about it, and the excitement about the app caused the UIzard website to go down. Most people could not interact with the app or learn more. A day or so later, the website was back but I could still not access the app. I went on a search to find the creator of UIzard to learn more about it, and finally, through Jinho.Jung on Flickr, I got ahold of his email address and hooked up with Ryu Sunt-tae to learn more."

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Name spelling; other info links. (5, Informative)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 4 years ago | (#27972583)

I am 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% sure that his name is supposed to be typed as Ryu Sung-tae (Sung, not Sunt; there is not in my studies of Korean some such name, given, or family...). Besides, g and t on the US / Latin keyboard are adjacent, and all the more this seems to be a typo. If it was a phone interview, with the interviewer making corrections, it's then even possible that his name is Seung, not Sung, as in the director http://www.koreanfilm.org/films2008.html [koreanfilm.org] Ryu Seung-jin.

Unfortunately, it appears the opensource site seems to have it wrong. But, *i* could be wrong, so maybe you can e-mail him and ask him if his name is actually misspelled on the site.

For those not aware, the "WI" as in wizard or whiskey in the US/English speakign areas is written in Korean charactes that look in English like "oi", but pronounced making for it to look like "uh-wee-zard". So, it's neat/nifty a spin to have UI and Wi merged for UIzard, instead of just using Wizard....

Just my two cents...

Oh, Ajaxjian Link:

http://ajaxian.com/archives/uizard-a-web-mashup-generator-written-in-yui [ajaxian.com]

DZone link:

http://www.dzone.com/links/uizard_a_web_mashup_generator_written_in_yui.html [dzone.com]

And another, unrelated item:
http://technews.am/conversations/ajaxian/uizard_a_web_mashup_generator_written_in_yui [technews.am]
http://technews.am/conversations/ajaxian/3d_cube_using_new_css_transformations [technews.am]

Re:Name spelling; other info links. (5, Informative)

volume4 (1119729) | more than 4 years ago | (#27972791)

From his email I have it as: "Best Regards, Ryu Sunt-tae"

Re:Name spelling; other info links. (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 4 years ago | (#27972915)

Whoaa... I submit then that he's one helluva creative guy :). After all, if anyone can name herself Alien Sun (See "Ichi the Killer", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coiVr5Pl4-s [youtube.com] and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_Sun [wikipedia.org] ), then surely i give him thumbs up with "t" vice "g". Hhehehe, but i wonder what his parents think....

Re:Name spelling; other info links. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27973501)

There is a difference between the literal reading of the Korean letters and how it is pronounced -- pronunciation of a particular gram can be modified by the following one.

Probably Japanese (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27973541)

He's probably Japanese, not Korean. And Sunt-tae is the best he can do to try and help people pronounce a small tsu in his last name. Oh, and Japanese does the same thing as Korean for some w-sounds. They don't have the sounds made by the letter v, are missing the th sound, and several others. There's a lot more different than just the L vs R confusion that's so infamous.

Anyhow, that's my guess about the spelling, given that it's easy to see what the kana would be for this name. Slashdot will eat them if I type them, but to give the required pronunciation, the name would be written as: [ri][small-yu] [su][n][small-tsu][ta][e].

It is, however, just a guess. I, too, puzzled over the hyphen in his name when I first saw it.

Re:Name spelling; other info links. (2, Informative)

kromozone (817261) | more than 4 years ago | (#27973585)

His name in Korean is ë¥ì±ífoe. As mentioned in this article - http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=ourbelief&logNo=130043884744 [naver.com] That would transliterate as Ryu-Seong-Tae, depending on the transliteration method you use. He may just have decided to transliterate it in his own way, as no one is likely to pronounce it properly anyway unless they can read Korean!

Re:Name spelling; other info links. (2, Insightful)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 4 years ago | (#27973999)

Hmmm, i just figured out the paragraph about him is further down the page. The characters i see are, phonetically, in English:

  1. UIzard -

ryu seung tae neum

R character + yu character, both making family name

S character + -| (i'm using minus and pipe to simulate the "eu" chars that are pronounced as "uh", like mud/bud/scud/flood) and the null char "ng" (circle) beneath "s" and "eu"

[- (simulating the "t" (single "t" sound, not the double "t" sound/char) left of the "H"-looking char that makes the sound "ay" sound spelled as "ae" (like Hyundae, spoken quickly from the english spelling/chars of heeyoon-day/hyoon-dae, w/ emphasis on the d, almost "t", between day and take)

at the very end is the article/suffix "neum", for which i am awaiting an explanation by a Korean friend here studying English...

These might be useful:

http://www.flashcardexchange.com/flashcards/view/493303 [flashcardexchange.com]
http://langintro.com/kintro/ [langintro.com]
http://langintro.com/kintro/family/direct.htm [langintro.com]

http://langintro.com/kintro/first.htm [langintro.com]

Re:Name spelling; other info links. (1)

kromozone (817261) | more than 4 years ago | (#27974075)

Neum/nim is just a respectful ending, like "Mr." kind of.

Re:Name spelling; other info links. (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 4 years ago | (#27974237)

Ah, yessss. Komapsumnida! Like Kim-sonsaengmim... I got tripped up over the -eum, vs -im after n-.

Thanks!

Re:Name spelling; other info links. (1)

RipRock (117627) | more than 4 years ago | (#27976473)

Thanks for the links and you're right. When I first read the name, it sounded Korea at first, but when I saw "Sunt-tae", I figured it can't be since there isn't a Korean word that can sound "Sunt".

But as the another member pointed out, it was spelled phonetically. And looking at his actual Korean name, ë¥ì±ífoe, it should indeed be "Sung-tae".

Leave Madoff Alone (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27972653)

For Christ's sake, 2 months in a federal prison will make anyone lose their mind. All these rich greedy bastards are mad at him for "taking" their money. What a joke. They gave him their money and they should have done more research. Madoff just got in over his head.

Look at the man's face. It's like throwing your dad in jail for life. What kind of heartless souls want to see an old man rot for years in jail. That's not going to get your money back. He apologized and should be sent home with his wife of 40 years, Ruth.

My heart goes out to you and your family Bernie. I will always love you all.

Give my best to Ruth and the kids.

Re:Leave Madoff Alone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27976477)

Then he should have done the honorable thing and performed ritual self-disembowelment.

I can do a better write-up than that (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27972695)

How about:

"Activity participated in by some."

Much more descriptive.

A Little Help? (4, Informative)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 4 years ago | (#27972743)

I mean, would it fucking kill you to make YUI [yahoo.com] a hyper-link in the summary?

-Peter

Re:A Little Help? (2, Funny)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#27972865)

I'm going to wait for the dupe of this story, where hopefully all the bugs will have been ironed out.

Re:A Little Help? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27972921)

Perhaps [reference.com] you [reference.com] would [reference.com] prefer [reference.com] your [reference.com] article [reference.com] summaries [reference.com] in [reference.com] this [reference.com] vein [reference.com]?

I have to say some description of what UIzard is or does would be far more relevant and important than a link to YUI, though.

Re:A Little Help? (1)

SEWilco (27983) | more than 4 years ago | (#27973007)

It doesn't matter. Nobody knows what the thing does nor how to use it.

Re:A Little Help? (2, Funny)

flyingsquid (813711) | more than 4 years ago | (#27975667)

Ulzard was the name of the monster that fought Godzilla in "Godzilla vs. Ulzard the Cybermonster" and later appeared in Ultraman as Ultraman's arch-nemesis, Ulzard, Lord of the Cybermonsters. The costume was made from the body of a bear suit, a samurai helmet, a bunch of tin foil and duct tape wrapped around the limbs, and a keyboard on his chest. He was pretty popular in the early 1960s, I think, before the company was sued and shut down for ripping off a "Gamera" script too closely. There was talk of a movie being made in 2007, with Nicolas Cage to play as Ulzard's creator, Dr. Gohoro. But the studio backed out of the deal and they are now back to trying to secure funding.

Web Dev WYSIWYG in Javascript (2, Informative)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 4 years ago | (#27972883)

Yet another web dev WYSIWYG done in javascript. Creeps, crashs and crawls whereas a desktop app like Eclipse is far more reliable and stable. Why are people still trying to do this in javascript?

Re:Web Dev WYSIWYG in Javascript (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 4 years ago | (#27972979)

Well, as long as he's not spending an inordinate time with The Wonder Girls:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Girls [wikipedia.org]

or with Li Hyori:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Hyori [wikipedia.org]

Then i am sure the code will get done... in do.. ummm, due time...

Re:Web Dev WYSIWYG in Javascript (0, Redundant)

fuzzix (700457) | more than 4 years ago | (#27973819)

Yet another web dev WYSIWYG done in javascript. Creeps, crashs and crawls whereas a desktop app like Eclipse is far more reliable and stable.

Hahaha.

Oh wait, you were serious. Let me laugh even harder - HAW HAW HAW!

Re:Web Dev WYSIWYG in Javascript (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 4 years ago | (#27976545)

Your nervous laughter denotes a sense of ignorance and fear. You either have no clue what you are talking about or no clue what you are doing.

Re:Web Dev WYSIWYG in Javascript (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27974103)

Yet another web dev WYSIWYG done in JAVA. Creeps, crashs and crawls whereas a desktop app like VC++ is far more reliable and stable. Why are people still trying to do this in JAVA?

now rewind ten years. ajax is becoming more popular, computing speeds going up, and 'cloud' is the buzzword of the day. i think it makes sense.

Re:Web Dev WYSIWYG in Javascript (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 4 years ago | (#28014825)

From my understanding, Eclipse (and by derivative OpenOffice and all other projects based on that codebase) has a C++ backend. Only the rendering is done in JAVA. This is a fallacy spread by Windows people scared of an Open Source World.

From the article, for the lazy (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27972889)

And so it was said...

UIzard(User Interface Wizard) is a tool that helps users create UIâ(TM)s easily. Basically, the user can create UI pages based on YUI, and develop an application by writing the functionality according to specific events(click or drag) for each UI object. (like in Visual Studio or XCode...) The result is generated on the basis of HTML and JS. Uizardâ(TM)s goal is to be a general web-based development tool like Google Docs or Spreadsheet, the web-based office tool. However, it's just a beta-version at the experimentation stage, so I hope to keep your interest and look forward to its future.

Re:From the article, for the lazy (1)

SEWilco (27983) | more than 4 years ago | (#27973069)

That description also applies to a web scraper written with PHP objects. I doubt there's excitement over a web scraper tool, so further description is needed.

So what the hell is it? (4, Insightful)

vondo (303621) | more than 4 years ago | (#27972929)

Apart from "awesome"?

Re:So what the hell is it? (3, Informative)

DeadDecoy (877617) | more than 4 years ago | (#27973055)

From what I've seen ala google:images Uizard, it appears to be a gui for creating web guis, so another dreamweaver I guess.

Re:So what the hell is it? (5, Insightful)

Facegarden (967477) | more than 4 years ago | (#27973297)

Yeah, what the hell is this? Why do people post articles without at least a *little* bit of description of what the hell they are talking about!?
-Taylor

Re:So what the hell is it? (1)

osgeek (239988) | more than 4 years ago | (#27974227)

Because people are stupid.

The real question is why do the Slashdot editors approve them?

Re:So what the hell is it? (2, Insightful)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 4 years ago | (#27975217)

Because Slashdot editors are stupid.

Re:So what the hell is it? (3, Funny)

pelrun (25021) | more than 4 years ago | (#27975673)

Therefore... Slashdot editors are people?

Wait, that can't be right.

Re:So what the hell is it? (2, Informative)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | more than 4 years ago | (#27975809)

Logical error, your conclusion is not valid. It does not follow that Slashdot editors are people just because they are stupid.

A valid conclusion could be made with the following statement: People are stupid > Slashdot editors are people > Slashdot editors are stupid.

The reverse of that (which was not stated and so cannot be assumed) would be: Those who are stupid are people > Slashdot editors are stupid > Slashdot editors are people.

You cannot conclude anything from People are stupid > Slashdot editors are stupid. There is not enough information to make a valid conclusion about Slashdot editors beyond that they are stupid. It is nothing more than a correlation.

You could "fix" the problem by adding the word "only" to the premis, as follows: Only people are stupid > Slashdot editors are stupid > Slashdot editors are people.

That would be valid, but it also requires you to change the premis slightly to make it so.

Cheers!

BTW, can I call myself a Logic Nazi?

Re:So what the hell is it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27976579)

"A valid conclusion could be made with the following statement: People are stupid > Slashdot editors are people > Slashdot editors are stupid."

That would have to be "All people are stupid."

Re:So what the hell is it? (2, Funny)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 4 years ago | (#27978959)

Clearly, the logical conclusion is that Soylent Green is Slashdot editors.

Re:So what the hell is it? (1)

thechao (466986) | more than 4 years ago | (#27980399)

It appears to be free marketing for some webcompany. I don't speak or read marketroid in any language, but it appears to be a UI designer for web-apps. So... probably 3% of the functionality of Visual Studio (15% of Anjuta) but 1000x slower.

It must be RED HERING! (1)

salemboot (1178525) | more than 4 years ago | (#27973917)

Velma: Jenkies Fred: I know what it is....... Scoobie dooobie dooobiedidooobie ... Fred: REEEEED HERRING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Interesting Gee Whiz Application (0)

Sherman Peabody (147565) | more than 4 years ago | (#27973177)

If you feel like reading another 'Those kids sure are doing crazy things with technology' article hear it is.

Having said that, it's still pretty cool. Now if you could get that to integrate with Eclipse, Spring, and Struts...

Re:Interesting Gee Whiz Application (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27985329)

Struts ? Seriously ? Why ??

I don't know what YUI know (0, Flamebait)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#27973629)

"A couple of days ago, the folks over at Ajaxian introduced the world to UIzard, an awesome creation by a Korean developer using YUI. There is actually a heck of a lot more about it, and the excitement about the app caused the UIzard website to go down

"Awesome" should be expelled from the vocabulary of anyone over the age of consent.

Re:I don't know what YUI know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27977789)

Wicked sick.

What the hell is this? (1)

The Fat Bastid (1436653) | more than 4 years ago | (#27973719)

I like summaries to summarize things. That way I know if i may actually be interested in the article's subject. This fails. This is written like a bad Saturday Night Live skit in which the punchline is that the subject is never mentioned.

Good story, bro (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27974587)

Dude, that's awesome.

UIzarded (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27975015)

...the excitement about the app caused the UIzard website to go down.

The site's been UIzarded.

Impressive, but impractical (1)

karaage (1543207) | more than 4 years ago | (#27975347)

Kudos to the guy for a well done implementation, but he's applied the wrong tools to the problem. Running an IDE inside a web browser is very inefficient, and completely ignores the better (and widely used) choice of using an OS native UI library.

Re:Impressive, but impractical (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 4 years ago | (#27976965)

You don't get it do you?

The whole point of this is to NOT USE THE OS NATIVE UI. It is the web baby. You want to use a web UI library.

Perhaps you meant to use a OS tool to design a web UI but that leads to all other sorts of problems. Plus, if he can do the UI designer of his UI with his UI, then it got to be good.

Would you use a code editor that wasn't coded with itself?

Re:Impressive, but impractical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27977139)

Would you use a graphics editor that wasn't coded with itself?

Re:Impressive, but impractical (1)

ardle (523599) | more than 4 years ago | (#27979875)

Ok, another example might be: "Would you use a programming language that couldn't compile itself?"

looks like someone's trying to reinvent extjs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27975767)

www.extjs.com

Good job, but this system has a few years left to catch up with Extjs

Re:looks like someone's trying to reinvent extjs (1)

AlXtreme (223728) | more than 4 years ago | (#27977215)

Good job, but this system has a few years left to catch up with Extjs

I've played around with UIzard, it's completely different to Extjs. Think Eclipse/Dreamweaver-for-the-web, not Yet Another JS Library (YUI is comparable to Extjs).

Humility.. (1)

raarts (5057) | more than 4 years ago | (#27977033)

Well, I am thoroughly impressed with the humility this guy shows in his replies. 99% of the slashdot posters could learn something from that.

Instead of throwing around unfounded accusations, calling people 'stupid', blowing their own horns even if they are very young and have accomplished nothing worth mentioning in life.

Go read the last paragraph of the interview.

Re:Humility.. (1)

Raffaello (230287) | more than 4 years ago | (#27978791)

Exactly. Clearly this guy is not full of himself but has a healthy respect for the size of the task he is taking on, and the importance of the input of others:

I have many more ideas to make the web-environment richer than the results I have actually implemented apart from UIzard. However it is so hard to do those things all by myself because I've never carried out or even joined an Open Source Project. I know nothing about it and I don't know how to make it work. I keep my eyes and ears open all the time. I am only 24 years old and still have so many things to learn. I still need to improve my ability. I have more ideas than I can actually work out. Thus, I need passionate developers younger or as young as me and also need expert developers who can share their knowledge, know-how and techniques. I am grateful to everyone around the world who showed interest in my work. This is an unforgettable and fruitful time of my life. Thanks again for your interview request and offer of free hosting support. (I will get in touch about the usage of hosting after consultation with others and as soon as I organize the community with the developers of Korea and around the world who are willing to participate in the UIzard project). I will do my best to make it well worth your interest.

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