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Danger Mouse Releases Blank CD-R To Spite EMI

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the vengeful-rodents dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "DJ Danger Mouse famously fought with EMI over his Beatles/Jay-Z mashup, 'The Grey Album,' and now seems to be battling with the label again. Rather than release his latest album and face legal issues with EMI, Techdirt is reporting that Danger Mouse will be selling a blank CD-R along with lots of artwork, and buyers will be responsible for finding the music themselves (yes, it's findable on the internet) and burning the CD."

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I know its for a legit reason... (5, Funny)

mc1138 (718275) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978035)

But doesn't this seem like the height of laziness?

Re:I know its for a legit reason... (5, Insightful)

AC-x (735297) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978083)

Looks more like an extremely clever political statement to me. Surely the hight of laziness would be to do nothing at all, rather than sticking it to the man??

Re:I know its for a legit reason... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27978119)

How is this "sticking it to the man"?
You did RTFA and read that there are no authorized sources, right?
Meaning that anyone who buys this cd-r and then downloads the music can easily be sued.

Re:I know its for a legit reason... (3, Insightful)

xp (146294) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978165)

Hopefully EMI has not licensed the silence of a blank CD.
--
Do you have slow friends? [pair.com]

Re:I know its for a legit reason... (5, Funny)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978209)

They haven't because they can't. They'd get sued by Simon and Garfunkel.

Re:I know its for a legit reason... (5, Informative)

the_womble (580291) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978735)

Actually, he might just get sued by whoever now hold John Cage's copyrights [gramophone.co.uk]

Re:I know its for a legit reason... (4, Insightful)

_KiTA_ (241027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978361)

Hopefully EMI has not licensed the silence of a blank CD.

No, but they have retained several hundred lawyers that will be more than happy to use the "Napster Offense" on this.

"He's encouraging piracy and thus he should have to pay us $iEnoughToRuinHim!"

Re:I know its for a legit reason... (1)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978541)

easily? Name any instance of someone being sued for downloading.

Re:I know its for a legit reason... (5, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978255)

But doesn't this seem like the height of laziness?

Actually, it's the height of fucking brilliance. Super Genius even.

Think about it.

1) He gets the money. He is only selling a blank CD-R which is 100% legal. Fry's electronics does the same thing. There is artwork provided, which are original works (AFAIK).
2) He is *actually* delivering a license to the customer, in a very indirect fashion :)

What he is basically saying, is that you paid me for this. So IF I did have a copyright to the work, that you may or may not find on the Internet someplace, you would be granted (by Danger Mouse) the right to use it. Or, in other words, I would not pursue you for copyright infringement in the event I ever actually get a copyright for the works you find, that may or may not be created by me.

Nobody really knows.

It's not laziness at all :)

He is selling you an item that may exist in the future, with no guarantees that it will even exist at all.

It's totally cool, well thought out (we will have to see what legal attacks are brought against this), and I entirely support it.

If you thought it was lazy because he was not getting into a legal battle with EMI over this, look at it another way: He just thought outside of the box and accomplished everything he wanted in way that he can't be immediately stopped from doing.

It will be one impressive fucking scum bag lawyer that can argue that sale constitutes copyright infringement. David Copperfield lawyerin' in the courtroom.

This was the most entertaining Slashdot article in months!

Re:I know its for a legit reason... (2, Interesting)

buchner.johannes (1139593) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978451)

Or, in other words, I would not pursue you for copyright infringement in the event I ever actually get a copyright for the works you find, that may or may not be created by me.

I'm not that familiar with the US legal system, but can't anyone sue for copyright infringement?

Re:I know its for a legit reason... (1)

Thinboy00 (1190815) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978475)

Or, in other words, I would not pursue you for copyright infringement in the event I ever actually get a copyright for the works you find, that may or may not be created by me.

I'm not that familiar with the US legal system, but can't anyone sue for copyright infringement?

Only if they own the copyright. IANAL.

Re:I know its for a legit reason... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27978567)

You can sue anyone for any reason at any time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frivolous_litigation

Re:I know its for a legit reason... (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978513)

You are right, except for the fact, that it already is available for download.
Here you can listen to it: http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=104129585&m=104105184 [npr.org]

Re:I know its for a legit reason... (3, Informative)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978601)

Well I did say, "maybe or maybe not" quite a few times. That was the point. The whole thing is "implied", and that implication is quite vague at best.

The strength of his tactic is that the sale of the blank CD and artwork is never directly linked with the allegedly unauthorized derivative work.

You can have all the implications that you want, a judge is still going to want to see an act of distribution associated with that sale. At best, EMI can claim he created the work and allowed it to be distributed, but that is actually quite different from selling it.

Since there is no act of distribution with monetary gain, it would have to be pursued by EMI differently. Of course judges and juries can be fickle, but it would by no means, be as a strong of a case had the CD not been blank and contained the actual music.

Re:I know its for a legit reason... (1)

Soul-Burn666 (574119) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978633)

Don't say he was 'lazy', when in fact he is crazy.

Just keep (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27978039)

Can't I just keep the CD blank?

Re:Just keep (-1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978257)

Can't I just keep the CD blank?

You can download the whole CD here: ftp://127.0.0.1/blank_dc.mp3 [127.0.0.1]

If someone else has already grabbed the copy, you can always recreate the original on that machine.

If you're a Windows user, just open up a command prompt and type "deltree /y c:/*" and press ENTER.

Re:Just keep (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27978307)

Don't do it! It's a virus that will delete the ZONE ZERO (the center of your computer hard disk) and turn your home computer INTO A BOMB!!

Re:Just keep (2, Informative)

biggyfred (754376) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978311)

deltree hasn't been in Windows since Win 98, grandpa.

Re:Just keep (1)

PenisLands (930247) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978611)

How come I have it here in XP?

Comment by Penfold (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27978057)

Crumbs DM!

Formally, this is a proof of conjunctivist polary (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27978063)

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+1 (5, Insightful)

jeffhenson (801813) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978073)

+1 Insightful to Danger mouse for finding a way to stick it to EMI.

Re:+1 (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27978121)

Sounds like they're sticking it to their fans.

They're selling a blank CD for a huge markup, after all.

Re:+1 (4, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978295)

the ultimate "woosh!"

Re:+1 (2, Funny)

IronMagnus (777535) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978647)

It is not a blank CD, it is a blank CD-R. VERY different.

Re:+1 (1)

KeithJM (1024071) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978723)

Absolutely. I don't know if I've ever heard any of his work but I will buy this CD. I think it's brilliant. (The irony is that I still won't have heard one of his songs, since the CD doesn't have any on it . . . but the point is I'll happily give him money for his political statement).

Crumbs, chief! (4, Funny)

turing_m (1030530) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978095)

It had to be said.

Re:Crumbs, chief! (5, Funny)

gregg (42218) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978129)

Penfold, shush.

Re:Crumbs, chief! (1)

netean (549800) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978249)

good grief!

Re:Crumbs, chief! (3, Funny)

Maddog Batty (112434) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978291)

Ooh-eck!

I'm buying two. (5, Funny)

downix (84795) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978099)

One to burn, one to keep on a shelf to then sell to some eccentric collector in 50 years. Retirement, here I come!

Re:I'm buying two. (5, Funny)

rHBa (976986) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978169)

The irony is that it will be worth more to collectors WITHOUT the music on it!

Re:I'm buying two. (0, Offtopic)

Zencyde (850968) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978329)

In response to your .sig I would like to point out that "I could care less" implies that one is already struggling to care to the degree at which they do. Emphasizing that you should be lucky that they're concerned at all.

At least, that's the way I interpret it so it doesn't bug the Hell out of me. To each their own.

Re:I'm buying two. (0, Offtopic)

Thinboy00 (1190815) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978497)

In response to your .sig (I'm an agnostic, don't get touchy) I would like to point out that in principle "Thou shalt not kill" is a good idea. I also freely admit that that is far outweighed by the bad stuff that came from religion.

Re:I'm buying two. (1)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978575)

I'm not on either side of the fence, but I'm fairly certain that a lot of people weren't killing a lot of other people just to be nice, before anyone ever wrote it in stone.

Handbag Music (2, Insightful)

turgid (580780) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978115)

I hate techno handbag disco music like this, but you've got to give credit where credit's due. This is an excellent idea to highlight these very topical issues. Well done young man.

I might even go out and buy the box of artwork and blank CD-R specifically to support this protest.

Re:Handbag Music (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978177)

I agree... I've heard the name once before, and have no idea what the music sounds like, but I'm very tempted to buy this.

Re:Handbag Music (1)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978617)

Danger Mouse worked with Beck on Modern Guilt. That might ring a bell.

Re:Handbag Music (1)

jgrahn (181062) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978719)

I agree... I've heard the name once before, and have no idea what the music sounds like,

He's in the duo Gnarls Barkley, who got insane amounts of airplay with "Crazy" a few years ago. You have probably heard their songs.

Re:Handbag Music (1)

SkunkPussy (85271) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978213)

techno handbag music?

Re:Handbag Music (1)

cicuz (1414125) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978251)

ahah looks great with your sig (:

[slash]me is off to find DM new work

Re:Handbag Music (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978271)

techno handbag music?

"handbag" - "put your hand on your bags ..." you get the idea. Music that some jerk-off made.

Though "techno handbag" seems kind of redundant ...

Re:Handbag Music (3, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978303)

Many Slashdotters clearly know as much about music as they do about the opposite sex.

But I suppose that for you, everybody is the "opposite" sex.

Re:Handbag Music (1)

dzfoo (772245) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978345)

wtf? I must be really dense, for I still do not get the "handbag" reference.

          -dZ.

Re:Handbag Music (1, Informative)

turgid (580780) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978427)

"Handbag music" is what Essex girls in white high-heels, with false fingernails and hair extensions dance around their handbags to in Club Zeus in Chelmsford on Friday and Saturday nights.

Re:Handbag Music (1)

WillDraven (760005) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978671)

That seems like an awfully small target audience. Purveyors of this handbag music must be really dedicated to their genre.

Re:Handbag Music (0)

turgid (580780) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978707)

Radio 1 plays it all day long. The rest of the UK aspires to be like the people in South East England.

Cultural Reference (1)

turgid (580780) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978457)

Here in the UK we call a purse a "handbag" and a wallet a "purse" if owned by a lady vs. a man when it is still called a "wallet."

So think of it as "purse music."

Re:Handbag Music (0)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978423)

Doesn't the word "Techno" in the USA include anything that you can dance to, and that has even a hint of electronic sounds in it?
I mean you are not exactly experts that can tell UK Garage from Gabber, French House, Schranz, 2Step, BigBeat, Drum & Bass, Trance or Hardcore, etc. ^^

Re:Handbag Music (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27978305)

I just downloaded a few DJ Danger Mouse tracks out of curiosity and my reaction is: absolute meh, give me this [shoutcast.com] anyday.

Re:Handbag Music (0)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978465)

The funny thing is: It isn't even techno. It sounds more like BritPop or TripHop. (Do you know the difference? :)

Re:Handbag Music (0)

turgid (580780) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978519)

No, and I don't care :)

I remember when techno came out and John Peel used to play it all night long on his hitherto good radio show. All of the pieces sounded the same. They all started off with a groovy kind of bass and drum riff and after a few seconds they all had a bit that sounded like a vehicle going passed playing a theme and then there would be a dramatic pause followed by some high-pitched detached female warbling to some kind of crescendo. Then the beat would resume etc.

All of the "songs" were exactly the same format and structure, except the bass riff and funny noises were slightly different.

In the '90s when I was a bright young, single thing, my friends and I often ended up in clubs late at night after the pubs shut. This was exactly the sort of music they played all night long... God, it was awful, but after 6 pints and a few shots of spirits, it was almost ignorable.

Re:Handbag Music (2, Funny)

mr_da3m0n (887821) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978491)

I had no idea what the music sounded like, so I obtained the album for sampling purposes.

I'm not quite sure how that can sound like anything remotely close to "techno handbag disco". I hear no techno, no disco, and even worse, no handbag.

LTTFA?

Re:Handbag Music (1, Funny)

turgid (580780) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978539)

When you're as old, grumpy and intransigent as me, I assure you, if it ain't Voivod, Megadeth or Slayer, it's techno handbag disco music by definition.

FWIW, I'm still coding in C using vi. No new-fangled IDEs or emacs here!!! And don't get me started on debuggers...

Re:Handbag Music (5, Funny)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978629)

And don't get me started on debuggers.

We can't - you shipped with symbols stripped.

Re:Handbag Music (3, Funny)

turgid (580780) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978733)

We can't - you shipped with symbols stripped.

I had to make it fit on that 360k floppy somehow.

Re:Handbag Music (1)

slash.duncan (1103465) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978585)

I rarely find /. funny-mods funny and have them scored down in prefs, but THAT'S (insightfully) funny! I wish I had modpoints!

Re:Handbag Music (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27978493)

'techno handbag music' ???

with the utmost respect mate, i think you need to get a clue! ;-) heh

i appreciate that DJ Danger Mouse's work might not be everyone's cup of tea, but it's far from being 'techno handbag music'...!

the BBC describe it thusly: "Dark Night Of The Soul, a collaboration with rock group Sparklehorse, also features Iggy Pop and The Flaming Lips, along with artwork by David Lynch"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8053471.stm

and Danger Mouse has also worked as producer for the Gorillaz and Beck - again, hardly handbag techno - in fact he's usually regarded as a _hip-hop_ artist/producer (not that i'm a particular fan of his, but i do listen to a *lot* of different types of music)

it often amuses me how people make off-the-cuff comments about music they know nothing about - especially when they're so wide-of-the-mark!

don't get me wrong: there's nothing wrong with disliking a particular artist, or whole genres of music - we've all got different tastes, and that's what is so great about people and music.

but to those who are a bit more 'up' on their music you simply come across as a being more than just a little ignorant when you say you claim not to like someone's work because it's from a certain genre that it simply isn't representing! ;)

here in the uk handbag techno is a particular type of upbeat happy house music which often features female vocal samples, a kind of club pop, if you will.

DJ Danger Mouse = techno handbag?? lmao - funniest thing i've heard all week!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Mouse

sorry to criticise you as AC - i'm not logged in here.

hey - if you don't mind me asking: what kind of music do you actually listen to / enjoy, anyway?

Re:Handbag Music (-1, Offtopic)

turgid (580780) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978675)

hey - if you don't mind me asking: what kind of music do you actually listen to / enjoy, anyway?

Old git music.

Megadeth, Slayer, Voivod, Primus, Les Claypool, REM, Smashing Pumpkins/Zwan, Mastodon, Budgie, Dillinger Escape Plan, Parliament, Black Sabbath (Ozzy era), Ozzy (Randy era), Tori Amos, Yes, Pink Floyd, Police, B-52s, Metallica (pre-Black album), Testament, Bach, Alice in Chains... I have dipped my toe into the wonderful world of Bohlen-Pierce music. This dude called Charles Carpenter did a couple of records called Splat and Frog a la Peche.

Mrs Turgid listens to some other stuff that I can't stand, but most of our tastes share a lot in common. She likes (such dreadful nonsense as) the Cranberries, Muse and New Order. New Order are OK live (saw them in 2001) but their recorded stuff is appalling. The production is terrible.

He's the greatest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27978127)

Wherever there is danger he'll be there.

I hope this catches on, big time (5, Interesting)

Mathinker (909784) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978143)

Frankly, I think that the idea is rather ingenious. I already sense a horde of lawyers sniffing the judicial currents, wondering if this could be prosecuted as encouraging copyright infringement. That should be an interesting case.

Offhand, I'd guess it hinges on whatever public statements have been made by Danger Mouse on this topic.

Another legal issue I'd be interested to come to court would be if the mashup as provided on the net didn't actually include any material under copyright, i.e., it was just a bunch of editing instructions which could be used by a computer program to which the user provides The White Album as input. It might be hard to prove that that is still clearly a derivative work of The White Album if the program would produce output (even gibberish output) given other music as inputs.

Re:I hope this catches on, big time (1)

Jesterace (914041) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978223)

I love this idea as well, hell even Trivium is telling the fans to download burn & share.

Re:I hope this catches on, big time (4, Interesting)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978319)

Well, I would make a double-sided CD/DVD. The real pressed long-lasting DVD side is a LiveDVD that boots an OS, downloads the tracks via torrent, and mixes them with a script, in the DJ's style, with a bit of individuality for every buyer. Then it burns the tracks on the CD side. (After asking you to turn it around.)

Meanwhile, the minimalistic, but cool looking OS shows a video of the guy mixing the stuff in his studio, with completion percentage. And while burning, it plays the tracks, with a video of him DJing. The images would fit the sound. And the downloads would be fast and lossless. (So you do not have to run that thing forever, but have a nice show meanwhile.)

Now THAT would be an ingenious concept. :)

Re:I hope this catches on, big time (1)

Thinboy00 (1190815) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978527)

And the downloads would be fast and lossless.

*calls reality police*

Will stores be allowed to sell it? (3, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978151)

The big question is, will music stores be allowed to sell it. Will retailers who sell this be blacklisted by the distribution chain? EMI and the RIAA have a lot of influence in how their music is distributed. How long until retails get jacked up prices from their distributor for other music for selling this?

Re:Will stores be allowed to sell it? (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978199)

Would retailers want to carry it anyway? It sounds like a returns nightmare when people realise after the fact that all they have is an expensive CDR and some artwork.

Re:Will stores be allowed to sell it? (1)

wjh31 (1372867) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978321)

expensive artwork and a CDR

Re:Will stores be allowed to sell it? (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978389)

He trusts is his clients not being total retards. And maybe he does not want to have retard fans too. So of course it will not be available at Walmart. ^^

Re:Will stores be allowed to sell it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27978705)

It doesn't matter whether he thinks his fans will get the idea. The stores will know that a lot of their customers won't get it, and will come back angrily. I think most will just not carry it to avoid the hassle. If anyone wants it, tell them to just download it themselves and make their own cover art.

Re:Will stores be allowed to sell it? (1)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978315)

EMI and the RIAA have a lot of influence in how their music is distributed.

Yeah..... not so much. The lead left that pencil some time ago.

The labels are having a hard time even convincing the big retail chains to keep floor space for them. It won't be too long before sales of iTunes, Amazon, Zune, etc. gift cards are greater than the CD sales themselves.

Search the financial news articles. Plenty of articles about how retailers are either shrinking or outright eliminating floorspace for music CDs. How many music CD stores have gone out of business lately too?

The power has gone over to the retailers at this point and your post becomes more insightful and correct the closer you go back to the 90's. Heck, I think a label executive could get a happy finish from a retail executive by snapping his fingers in the early 90's. At this point I would not be surprised if the record labels are going through knee pads like crazy in 2009.

Re:Will stores be allowed to sell it? (1)

residieu (577863) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978729)

And you've got bands giving Wal-mart exclusive rights to sell their album. Once you have to do that, who has the power, the label or Wal-mart?

Not really (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978609)

Works the other way around, actually. They very much want shelf space at big retailers. See none of the big retailers make a significant percentage of their profits on music. For the most part, they don't make a significant percentage of their profits on any one specific category of item. People shop for all kinds of things there, so they make their money spread out over a lot of different items. So losing any single item isn't going to hit them that hard.

Wal-mart in particular is notorious for dictating terms to suppliers, including demanding price cuts that suppliers have trouble handling. However all the big stores exercise an amount of power over the suppliers for the products they sell. It isn't a completely one-way street, of course, but it isn't a situation of the suppliers saying "You'll do precisely as we say or face the consequences."

Especially given their slipping market share, the recording industry isn't in a good position to make demands on the retail chains. If EMI threatens Wal-mart and Target and such over this, the answer might be "Ok, screw you, don't sell to us, we'll use the shelf space for other things." Maybe if EMI convinced all the other labels to join in then the retailers would knuckle under, but that's problematic. For one, the other labels might have no interest in playing ball, since it would mean less marketshare, and it also could lead to an anti-collusion lawsuit.

So I imagine a store's decision to carry this or not will be entirely decided by the person who does their purchasing. EMI is likely to have no say in it at all.

Re:Will stores be allowed to sell it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27978757)

What's a music store?

not just "lots of artwork" (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27978173)

It's a 100+ page BOOK of David Lynch photography.

here's the plan (3, Interesting)

Chewbacon (797801) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978205)

I think he maybe planning to "leak" that music he's talking about. Fans will be able to download and add the music to it. Make sense to me.

Re:here's the plan (1)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978293)

well, you just rephrased the summary! such great unseen talent!

Who has the recording rights to John Cage's 4'33"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27978207)

I'm sure they'll want to have a word with Danger Mouse...

Re:Who has the recording rights to John Cage's 4'3 (3, Insightful)

Rip Dick (1207150) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978275)

how is a blank cd the same as a recording of silence?

Re:Who has the recording rights to John Cage's 4'3 (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978533)

A blank CD-R still is writable. With the music off of bittorrent.
A recording of silence obviously not. You can play it in your player.

Links (4, Informative)

definate (876684) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978215)

Here's a direct link to listen to the music:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104129585 [npr.org]

Or to download it use this torrent:
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1922583/2325666/ [demonoid.com]

Re:Links (3, Informative)

definate (876684) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978231)

Re:Links (4, Insightful)

Thinboy00 (1190815) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978565)

eww, a .rar!

I just may be a pessimist (1)

nnnich (1454535) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978229)

while this is pretty entertaining, and it certainly does seem like this man should be applauded - I dont see how this is anything other than a superficial victory at best. after all, what steps can really be taken against corporate entities that will ultimately buy themselves "justice" and legislature?

we just might all be screwed in the fight for "freedoms", "rights", and "privileges"

Re:I just may be a pessimist (1)

American Terrorist (1494195) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978313)

we just might all be screwed in the fight for "freedoms", "rights", and "privileges"

And how is that any different from 50 years ago? It's not called "the struggle" for no reason. The real victory here is in the p2p software. No one can legislate away my right to encrypt data and send it over the intertubes. (At least so far.)

Re:I just may be a pessimist (1)

History's Coming To (1059484) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978399)

Yeah, the child pornographers are going to have a field day with that as a defence....

Re:I just may be a pessimist (1)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978515)

Yeah, the child pornographers are going to have a field day with that as a defence....

Actually, they will. At least in the U.S.

From the poster you were replying to, it seems we are talking about encryption on communications, not local storage.

There is a *tremendous* amount of resistance to any controls on encrypted communications in the U.S. From pretty strong sources too, and not just political action groups. Businesses, of all kinds, would vehemently oppose the loss of encrypted communications.

Ecommerce would flat not work without it. Corporate VPN's protecting god knows how many tunnels criss-crossing the U.S? Those gone too. Just how could they protect themselves without it is a mystery.

Which leaves you with ONE option. Key Escrow. Encryption still exists, just now the government has a copy of all the keys. However, if you thought fucking Social Security and Medicaid were expensive, try creating the Key Escrow systems that will maintain government access to all encrypted tunnels.

Your ISP bill will TRIPLE, if not become larger than your house payment to offset all the equipment that needs to be in place for that behemoth of an information system. The government pays for it with your taxes? Great. Get rid of one of the following: 1) Highways and Bridges, 2) The Military, 3) Social Security, 4) Medicaid, etc.

I understand your paranoia, hell I am WITH YOU BROTHER (AMEN!), but fuck I think it's just downright impossible to remove encryption from the Internet.

Re:I just may be a pessimist (4, Informative)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978401)

I dont see how this is anything other than a superficial victory at best. after all, what steps can really be taken against corporate entities that will ultimately buy themselves "justice" and legislature?

Wow. You really missed the point. The victory is not superficial. Quite the opposite. He can actually make money off this tactic. Every sale of his blank CD and artwork is revenue. Cash in hand. If he is getting money, it's a little hard to classify that as superficial.

As for justice being bought, that is also where this victory is far from superficial. It will be very hard to demonstrate a link between this blank cd, original artwork, and an act copyright infringement against EMI's intellectual property. In order for justice to be bought, there *still* MUST be some sort of existing legal framework in which to prove damages occurred. I think you underestimate the resilience of his strategy and how will it could stand up to legal asshattery.

Now as for the legislature, what law could you possibly create to stop this? You can't sell blank CD's with original artwork? The law would have to be so vague and subjective that it would hardly stand up to legal standards.

I understand your cynicism and apparent bitterness, even share some of it, but this is still not that easy to stop, even assuming the whole weight of a corrupt and broken system behind it.

The strategy deserves a little more applause and credit than you are giving it.

I'd been wondering when this would happen (3, Interesting)

Gary Perkins (1518751) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978395)

I actually had been thinking for a while this would be a good idea. The torrents aren't going to just go away, and the lawyers are spending a great amount of money that could be saved as profits. I'd been thinking that if the artists simply created the boxsets, artwork, and maybe included videos, they would probably come out ahead.

Southpark did it! OH sorry i mean Greenday (4, Informative)

eZtaR (764650) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978403)

Didn't Greenday already do this [afterdawn.com] like five years ago?

Old news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27978413)

PC games have been doing this for years. Go buy a copy of any MMO game in the stores. You're not getting the entire game on the discs you buy. You're forced to go online and download the rest of the content patches before you can play it.

I think this artist is brilliant for applying essentially the same idea to music in an attempt to circumvent the law.

Re:Old news... (1)

IronMagnus (777535) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978741)

I wouldn't call it the same idea. The same idea would be releasing a CD-RW with 1-2 tracks on it, then releasing more tracks over the years as you get around to writing them.

Hype. Awesome. (5, Insightful)

DavidChristopher (633902) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978439)

Damn, I wish I thought of that.

I'm quite surprised that nobody here can see through this 'protest' to it's true nature, that it's an excellent marketing gimmic. Danger Mouse has shown already that he's very good at marketing. Want great press? Fight a record label. (Even early in his career, he would wear a mouse costume - because he was to shy/stagefrightened to show his face - and then took the name dangermouse. Great hook right there. ) He's most definitely talented - having collaborated and produced some very cool artists (Gnarles Barkley, Gorilliaz) as well, each well marketed in it's own right - but this marketing ploy... I'm beside myself at it's simplicity and beauty.

Give out blank CDs. ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT. He's already getting amazing free press over this, and there's more coming for certain. I was reading through the replys to just this article here on slashdot, and found more than a couple of readers vowing to by multiple copies of the release just to show support. Multiple copies. Of A Blank Disk.

I envy him.

Re:Hype. Awesome. (1)

requiemnoise (1550609) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978463)

Nothing exciting about this. Trying to show he is fighting a big label was already pulled by Prince in the mid 90s. This is a 10 year old marketing stunt.

trying to pull NIN and Radiohead (1)

requiemnoise (1550609) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978443)

He is trying to pull NIN and Radiohead Internet buzz. However, this isn't going to work. NIN and Radiohead are both independent artists who live by their own rules without the record industry.

David Lynch !?! (1)

nitroyogi (1471601) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978467)

Danger Mouse battling EMI on Lost Highway!

Watch out for John Cage (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978483)

The mouse is gonna get nailed for violating John Cage's copyright on 4'33" [bbc.co.uk]

If roles were reversed? (1, Insightful)

Andy Smith (55346) | more than 5 years ago | (#27978559)

I wonder how Mr Mouse would react if a record company decided to publish his copyrighted material without his permission?

Mash-ups are a great new form of creativity, but creativity doesn't give you free reign to publish other people's material without permission from the copyright holder.

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